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Making peace with my mormon past…. or not.
Posted: 28 March 2016 10:29 AM [ Ignore ]
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Recently someone in another thread asked why don't we just get over it and get on with our lives? This is something that occasionally comes up here, and something which gives me pause from time to time. This article showed up on my facebook feed today and it really got me to thinking. In particular, this paragraph:
"I wish my fellow ex-Mormons (or former Mormons, or disaffected, or whatever) would realize that they are only mirroring the Mormonism they grew up with and lived with for so many years. The same black-and-white mentality unfolds, only as if we’ve suddenly been transported to bizarro world. Apologists go from heroes to villains, history goes from faith-promoting to faith-destructing, the Book of Mormon goes from proving the church is true to proving it’s false, Church leaders, both historic and modern, go from being the greatest men on earth to some of the most evil, the temple goes from beautiful to sinister, Joseph Smith goes from prophet to pedophile, the church goes from selfless charity to money-hoarding corporation, Mormons go from being the most enlightened people on earth to the most sheltered. On and on and on it goes. Instead of breaking out of the narrative the church wrote for us, we just flip the switch and black becomes white and up becomes down, but the story is identical..."
Am I just reflecting an opposite version of mormonism? Is this a function of the black-and-white thinking I was raised with? Why do I keep coming back to postmormon.org? I know we all have our reasons for being here and the reasons are as varied as the people here, but for me there's an underlying issue. My association with mormonism embarrasses me, frankly. It's the reason I want no funeral, because I don't want any of my friends or associates to know that I was in any way associated with this stupid cult. I almost walked out of a polygraph exam (it was for top-secret government clearance where I work - not as exciting as it sounds) because I had to tell the guy about my religious past. There are things I don't comment on on my facebook feed, not because it would out me to my family and friends, but because I don't want others to know that I'm somehow connected to mormonism. I sometimes go to great lengths to hide my background.
I wish I could make peace with my past, but at this time I just can't. I suppose it's tough still having family in the church, but even when I'm in a non-church environment, I can't admit to ever belonging to the church. I envy the author's perspective. I'm working towards it, but right now there are too many hurdles in my way.
Do any of you deal with this? How do you handle it?
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Posted: 28 March 2016 10:50 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 1 ]
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IMVHO, I believe those individuals who say -- get over it and get on with your life -- were not dedicated/rabid TBMs. I bet they dwelt on the edges of morgmania and gave lipservice to the morg. I was in the morg for 57 years -- trying do the "morg laundry list" + holding multiple callings because we lived in a small branch for 35 years + giving of my money/time/talents to the greedy morg where whatever you did wasn't enough or good enough. Of course, today I am more healed than I was a year and a half ago -- I was livid/pissed because I finally realized that the morg had kept me like a mushroom for 57 years -- in the corner, in the dark, and fed me HORSESHIT.
Because of the things I've read on this site and have been allowed to vent while on this site -- I believe that my healing is in process -- not what I could be, but a darn sight better than I was! Like many things in life, healing from the morg is a process and not a one size fits all kind of experience and evolves over time. And this site for many becomes a support group for that healing process!
Posted: 28 March 2016 11:11 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 2 ]
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In the last few years when someone would ask me if I am LDS (I live in Orem Utah so it happens weekly) my response went from a simple Yes, to a more complicated yes, but I'm not active. I literally felt so alone because no one that I knew had the same concerns I did. I did not know about Mormon think, CES letter, Mormon Stories podcast, Lighthouse ministries, the Tanners or so many other resources until a friend told me about postmormon.org.
A few months ago a friend and his wife came out on FB. I messaged him and he set me on this path.
This page has bolstered my POV and guided me to so many epiphanies. I learned so much that reinforced what I had learned on my own over the previous 10 years. Possibly more importantly I learned things that I had never even considered.
I now answer the question above with a complicated, "I used to be, but not anymore." The knowledge I have found here gives me the confidence to say that knowing that I can defend my position with facts.
It also helps me to read the stories of others that are struggling with familial relationships. We came out to family in March and we are dealing with the consequences of that. It's been better than I expected but most likely because I read so many letters that are posted here. I found letters that I loved and letters that made me uncomfortable. Overall the multiple letters and stories help me to tell mine in a way that I knew my family could understand.
I come to this site more often than I would like to admit (I hope it's not tracked). But I love reading the newest posts or comments. I enjoy having a place to vent.
I envision getting to a point where I no longer need postmormon.org and can answer the question above with a simple "no", but until then I will be here every day.
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Posted: 28 March 2016 11:36 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 3 ]
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Matter Unorganized:
Recently someone in another thread asked why don't we just get over it and get on with our lives? This is something that occasionally comes up here, and something which gives me pause from time to time. This article showed up on my facebook feed today and it really got me to thinking. In particular, this paragraph:
After a lifetime of indoctrination, you can't "just get over it". It has permeated the very soul and impregnated itself within you. As for me, I am over it as much as I will ever be.
I've never been personally asked this, but I don't think I would be very polite about my answer. Would someone ask a person who had just lost a spouse or parent, "why don't you just get over it?" For those who were mired deep within the morg machine, it was a part of them and will forever be somewhere still trying to guide them along some imaginary iron rod.
Not a day goes by that I don't reflect on the past half-a century and how the mighty morg molded and contorted my soul to suit their desires. There are a lot of smart people in that organization and the methodology of control has been carefully honed to perfection. I feel lucky that I escaped and happy that I will never be pounded into that square hole again, ever.
For a long time I held a grudge against formor bishops, stake presidents, teachers, Parents, and other leaders for leading me along the path of blind obedience. But, most of them were just being lead the same as I was. I no longer have animosity against them for doing what they were indoctrinated to do.
Will I ever get over it? I doubt it. But, in the same breath, I don't rail against anyone about it. If I see a facebook post promoting the morg, I just skip over it unless it's been posted to my own page. Then it gets deleted.
Thank you Matter Unorganized for this post, it got me thinking again. For those still deep in the morg cesspool, they haven't seen the light yet. And Maynard, I love your horses.
Posted: 28 March 2016 12:22 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 4 ]
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For me I like coming to the site I am note entirely sure why but I'm sure it has a lot to do with the feelings of relief that washed over me when I finally had data to back up my decision to stop attending church nearly 20 years ago. It knew I had to leave because I just didn't believe it anymore for numerous reason but I didn't have the hard proof. you know CES type stuff... I really like when I get a chance to share with others who are in some state of transition. Sometimes my motives are darker anger resentment, but less and less over time.
This has helped me to heal some of those huge scars from leaving feeling alone abandoned looked down upon by family and friends. I really have a lot of love and fond memories of the people in the ward I grew up in. I really wish that whole experience didn't come with such a big bag of crazy. and yes I know several Mormon people who I have never told I was Mormon because I don't want to hurt them or damage the friendship. I'm guessing I would tell them if they came right out and asked but even them I think I might not be totally forth coming it's such a minefield of emotional stuff for both me and them.
Now if they said they where not happy with church I would propably have to control the rate of data download.
Posted: 28 March 2016 01:00 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 5 ]
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Recently someone in another thread asked why don't we just get over it and get on with our lives? This is something that occasionally comes up here, and something which gives me pause from time to time. This article showed up on my facebook feed today and it really got me to thinking. In particular, this paragraph:
"I wish my fellow ex-Mormons (or former Mormons, or disaffected, or whatever) would realize that they are only mirroring the Mormonism they grew up with and lived with for so many years. The same black-and-white mentality unfolds, only as if we’ve suddenly been transported to bizarro world. Apologists go from heroes to villains, history goes from faith-promoting to faith-destructing, the Book of Mormon goes from proving the church is true to proving it’s false, Church leaders, both historic and modern, go from being the greatest men on earth to some of the most evil, the temple goes from beautiful to sinister, Joseph Smith goes from prophet to pedophile, the church goes from selfless charity to money-hoarding corporation, Mormons go from being the most enlightened people on earth to the most sheltered. On and on and on it goes. Instead of breaking out of the narrative the church wrote for us, we just flip the switch and black becomes white and up becomes down, but the story is identical..."
Am I just reflecting an opposite version of mormonism? Is this a function of the black-and-white thinking I was raised with? Why do I keep coming back to postmormon.org? I know we all have our reasons for being here and the reasons are as varied as the people here, but for me there's an underlying issue. My association with mormonism embarrasses me, frankly. It's the reason I want no funeral, because I don't want any of my friends or associates to know that I was in any way associated with this stupid cult. I almost walked out of a polygraph exam (it was for top-secret government clearance where I work - not as exciting as it sounds) because I had to tell the guy about my religious past. There are things I don't comment on on my facebook feed, not because it would out me to my family and friends, but because I don't want others to know that I'm somehow connected to mormonism. I sometimes go to great lengths to hide my background.
I wish I could make peace with my past, but at this time I just can't. I suppose it's tough still having family in the church, but even when I'm in a non-church environment, I can't admit to ever belonging to the church. I envy the author's perspective. I'm working towards it, but right now there are too many hurdles in my way.
Do any of you deal with this? How do you handle it?
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Somehow I do not see what black and white thinking has to do with it! Either I was lied to or I was not. In the end it turns out my life was spent on a cults agenda. Somewhere in the middle is a warm fuzzy G-spot? A Gray place where repentence is retributed for and my time talent and energy is returned? This reminds me of a movie of which I do not recall the title. One character gets smacked in the face. Another supporting role actor has the line of saying, "Stop bleeding, that's dumb."
This sort of mentality is rampant in the bullshit called NOM and other cultic donation seeking activities that try to keep people in sheep pens that pay and contribute regularly.
I address it directly and openly no matter what the forum is. People generally think I am lambasting the founder of one particular business enterprise but in reality I am calling the followers sheep who follow yet another shepherd.
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Posted: 28 March 2016 03:49 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 6 ]
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Simple: The LDS Church's teachings are up or down, black or white, ALL true or ALL false.
It's not our fault the leaders doubled down on every over-the-top, outlandish doctrine from polygamy to blessed underwear to the black curse to Kolab.
It's not our fault they claimed to see and talk to God himself.
It's not our fault they made up an entire book and called it "devine history".
It's not our fault they claim to have the special Preisthood that gives them the authority to act in God's name.
All that's kinda "all-in". Don't ya' think?
When they call ex-mormons "extreme" I suggest they look in the mirror. The real LDS religion I was taught (not the smooth-edges media facade) is an ALL or NOTHING choice. They made that choice, not us.
Posted: 28 March 2016 04:31 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 7 ]
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I wonder just how I can let go when it keeps chasing me and hurting my family. I have a sister, whose husband turned PostMo, they divorced. Her PostMo hubby found a brand new wife, built a brand new home and is thriving. Now my sister tells me her teeth are in bad shape. She was in a near-death auto accident years ago and her teeth suffered a lot of damage. Two crowns just fell off--the teeth are so bad, the new crowns fell off again. She had to have another tooth pulled. She has fillings that are half mercury. There is no excuse for this. She pays a full tithing and offerings and gives the church a lot of time, yet--she struggles financially. Therefore, her cleanings, dental care, medical care have been sacrificed. I furnish her water filters and some supplements as she has some bone issues. She is only 46.
Then there is my niece who has severe epilepsy. The family of four live on a little over $700 a month. The teenagers now have health issues--probably from malnutrition. The only thing my family sends them is mormon reading material. I help them quite a bit but the family should be helping them as well. We need to work together to help them find a way to better support themselves. They are totally inactive. So...my TBM family punishes them for not being active. They see it that if they were active--they would be blessed.
This TBM family pays collectively around $30,000 a year to the morg. I have noticed that they don't help family--unless it is their kids. I think they are so busy and the church takes so much of their money--they no longer feel they need to help family. Let the lawrd take care of them. When you pay tithing, you don't have to help family, you pay the lawrd and wait for the trickle-down effect.
There are a lot of reasons why some of us cannot pretend the church is not still hurting us.
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I laughed out loud and said “Thank you sir. And I hope every time you hear the name of JS you don’t think about him having sex with those girls and the women who were already married because if you’re going to start being honest with yourself then sooner or later you will also realize a real god would never do that, a real prophet would never do that, and it’s all just bull shit.”
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Posted: 28 March 2016 04:57 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 8 ]
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They released my elderly mother after 15 years of working 20-30 hrs a week at the XXXXX Temple. They said her dimentia had progressed so that she was no longer competent to perform her duties.
That SAME WEEK, her Bishop, who lived around the corner, accepted a check for over $3,000, several times the tithing she "owed."
Right after that, I took over her finances. When I asked the Bishop, he recommended I should take her back to California with her family (all of us long-time post-mormons).
It seems the "scam artists" I was afraid of should have included the church. Once she could no longer work, or write checks, they dropped her like a hot rock. No visitors, no assistance, no follow-up after a lifetime of devout service and donations.
After my 35 years out of the church and no animosity, I logged on to Anti-Mormon sites for the first time that very week.
And they wonder why we can't leave them alone.
Posted: 28 March 2016 05:37 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 9 ]
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MU---Bro. I hear you loud and clear.
I remember John Larsen once making a comment that sites like "postmormon" are like refugee camps. I think there is a reallity to this stament. I find myself on this site more when things "Mormon Church" get under my skin.
But I am like you MU, I am trapped in a no-mans land, where my family is deeply engaged in the church. I have been able to move on intelectually; I have been able, in some regards, to move on emotionally (I relaps). The only reason the Church stays relevant in my life is summed up in two letters, DW.
I continue to be here, not because of "Black and White" thinking, but rather my emotional spectrum has matured so far beyond the 'one dimensional emotional void' I experienced in Mormonism---I need people to listen to, talk to, help me process the frustrations.
My Mormon friends won't try to understand
My non-Mormon friends can't underatand
My postmormon friends---well---yeah---um---what I am trying say is---um---I love you guys!
I think most, if not all, understand that we go through the grieving process when we begin our transitions. Anger is one of the steps---people like you and I are faced with one of two choices: 1. Completely separate from the church and forfeit our families; or 2. Stay dedicated to the concept and obligation of family---the price? It is hard to overcome anger---it hurts me so bad to see the grasp that Mormonism has on my family---I again and again relaps to anger.
Unlike many here, I am a coward: I have never had to confront my siblings about my 'faith transition' Since I was employed by the Church when my "faith crisis' began, I was able to deguise a change of employment with a career opprotunity several states removed. In a real way---I ran away. I do not have enough interactions with my siblings for them to suspect my faith has changed, and topics of conversation tend to be secular in nature. Then there is the fact that my 'faith transition' began with the fundamental nature and existence of god---long before I new or questioned anything about how screwed up Mormon history and doctrine is.
Then there is the issue of my DW's terminal health problems---I don't feel a need to believe in a god, my DW, however, does need to believe in a god. I respect this---the last thing I need to do to DW is try and convince her that the religion she loves is a fraud durring what is likely to be the last few years of her life. Mormonism gives her hope, it gives her peace, it gives her happiness.---Is it wrong of me, to not burden her with the trauma of losing hope? I don't believe in an afterlife, so in my mind the stakes are not very high---I will not try to persuade her from her religion.
I look at this world, and when I look beyond Mormonism, this is what I see: The majority of people on this planet in some way are captives of religion or some other superstition. Most people in history in someway have been captive and oppressed by religion. A very lucky few have ever been able to proclaim independance from this captivity and oppression.
I proudly, belong, visit, communicate, and post with some of the "lucky few" on this site.
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Posted: 28 March 2016 07:07 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 10 ]
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MU---Bro. I hear you loud and clear.
I remember John Larsen once making a comment that sites like "postmormon" are like refugee camps. I think there is a reallity to this stament. I find myself on this site more when things "Mormon Church" get under my skin.
But I am like you MU, I am trapped in a no-mans land, where my family is deeply engaged in the church. I have been able to move on intelectually; I have been able, in some regards, to move on emotionally (I relaps). The only reason the Church stays relevant in my life is summed up in two letters, DW.
I continue to be here, not because of "Black and White" thinking, but rather my emotional spectrum has matured so far beyond the 'one dimensional emotional void' I experienced in Mormonism---I need people to listen to, talk to, help me process the frustrations.
My Mormon friends won't try to understand
My non-Mormon friends can't underatand
My postmormon friends---well---yeah---um---what I am trying say is---um---I love you guys!
I think most, if not all, understand that we go through the grieving process when we begin our transitions. Anger is one of the steps---people like you and I are faced with one of two choices: 1. Completely separate from the church and forfeit our families; or 2. Stay dedicated to the concept and obligation of family---the price? It is hard to overcome anger---it hurts me so bad to see the grasp that Mormonism has on my family---I again and again relaps to anger.
Unlike many here, I am a coward: I have never had to confront my siblings about my 'faith transition' Since I was employed by the Church when my "faith crisis' began, I was able to deguise a change of employment with a career opprotunity several states removed. In a real way---I ran away. I do not have enough interactions with my siblings for them to suspect my faith has changed, and topics of conversation tend to be secular in nature. Then there is the fact that my 'faith transition' began with the fundamental nature and existence of god---long before I new or questioned anything about how screwed up Mormon history and doctrine is.
Then there is the issue of my DW's terminal health problems---I don't feel a need to believe in a god, my DW, however, does need to believe in a god. I respect this---the last thing I need to do to DW is try and convince her that the religion she loves is a fraud durring what is likely to be the last few years of her life. Mormonism gives her hope, it gives her peace, it gives her happiness.---Is it wrong of me, to not burden her with the trauma of losing hope? I don't believe in an afterlife, so in my mind the stakes are not very high---I will not try to persuade her from her religion.
I look at this world, and when I look beyond Mormonism, this is what I see: The majority of people on this planet in some way are captives of religion or some other superstition. Most people in history in someway have been captive and oppressed by religion. A very lucky few have ever been able to proclaim independance from this captivity and oppression.
I proudly, belong, visit, communicate, and post with some of the "lucky few" on this site.
I like this Winston Smith! First of all, you are a hero--not a coward--when you are putting your DW's needs first as she is in such a delicate situation. Bless you. What you have said here is much of what my wonderful dentist and I were sharing today. He is European and so understands the dangers and bondage that religion can hold. He is fixing damage that a top-of-the LDS church food chain mormon dentist did to me. Figures. Anyway, his understanding and the way he worded-- how he reflected an offer to join the mormon church by a neighbor--was so refreshing--much like your post.
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I laughed out loud and said “Thank you sir. And I hope every time you hear the name of JS you don’t think about him having sex with those girls and the women who were already married because if you’re going to start being honest with yourself then sooner or later you will also realize a real god would never do that, a real prophet would never do that, and it’s all just bull shit.”
Oh mercy, it just felt so damn good to say that. —BOLD WISH
Posted: 28 March 2016 10:49 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 11 ]
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Matter Unorganized:
Recently someone in another thread asked why don't we just get over it and get on with our lives? This is something that occasionally comes up here, and something which gives me pause from time to time. This article showed up on my facebook feed today and it really got me to thinking. In particular, this paragraph:
"I wish my fellow ex-Mormons (or former Mormons, or disaffected, or whatever) would realize that they are only mirroring the Mormonism they grew up with and lived with for so many years. The same black-and-white mentality unfolds, only as if we’ve suddenly been transported to bizarro world. Apologists go from heroes to villains, history goes from faith-promoting to faith-destructing, the Book of Mormon goes from proving the church is true to proving it’s false, Church leaders, both historic and modern, go from being the greatest men on earth to some of the most evil, the temple goes from beautiful to sinister, Joseph Smith goes from prophet to pedophile, the church goes from selfless charity to money-hoarding corporation, Mormons go from being the most enlightened people on earth to the most sheltered. On and on and on it goes. Instead of breaking out of the narrative the church wrote for us, we just flip the switch and black becomes white and up becomes down, but the story is identical..."
Am I just reflecting an opposite version of mormonism? Is this a function of the black-and-white thinking I was raised with? Why do I keep coming back to postmormon.org? I know we all have our reasons for being here and the reasons are as varied as the people here, but for me there's an underlying issue. My association with mormonism embarrasses me, frankly. It's the reason I want no funeral, because I don't want any of my friends or associates to know that I was in any way associated with this stupid cult. I almost walked out of a polygraph exam (it was for top-secret government clearance where I work - not as exciting as it sounds) because I had to tell the guy about my religious past. There are things I don't comment on on my facebook feed, not because it would out me to my family and friends, but because I don't want others to know that I'm somehow connected to mormonism. I sometimes go to great lengths to hide my background.
I wish I could make peace with my past, but at this time I just can't. I suppose it's tough still having family in the church, but even when I'm in a non-church environment, I can't admit to ever belonging to the church. I envy the author's perspective. I'm working towards it, but right now there are too many hurdles in my way.
Do any of you deal with this? How do you handle it?
I find that I'm forced to evaluate each teaching, doctrine, idea, ect., separately based on it's own merits. There are parts of the cult that I think makes more sense than some other religions (like the "Trinity" nonsense), and other parts that seem too freaking evil (like "it's wrong to criticize church leaders even when the criticism is true"). Same with everything. There are some things I like about Bernie Sanders and other things I like about Donald Trump. I have noticed that a lot of Mormons have a strong tendancy towards committing the "Black and White fallacy". I'm not sure why but I think it has to do with brainwashing.
Maybe some employers like that characteristic in their employees (easy to trick and manipulate).
Also, it helps to know where the doctrines were plagiarized from. Remember the lecture "How the Book of Mormon destroyed Mormonism"? There are some parts of the Book of Mormon that are actually inspiring when looked at separately from the idiotic religion.
When people say "why don't we just get over it?" I think they're probably not the brightest bulbs on the tree. It's impossible to get over something that's thrown into your face every day in some way. Can you imagine the disaster to humanity if Mitt Romney became president? He would be making executive decisions based on a comic book.
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"Why can't you just get over it and continue with your life eh?"
Not the first time I've heard this. Most of the time I'm hearing this from active members. Usually I reply somethign like this:
"How could I get over it? It's part of me, part of my personal history, a thing that makes me what I am? Tell me how does one get over oneself and then goes on continung their lives?"
Then they might go on asking: "Why do you then make noise about it? Why do you speak against the church? Why can't you leave it alone like someone else is doing?" in which my most common reply is something like this:
"Well there are many people in the world that suffer from cancer. Some of those that recover become advocates for cancer organizations. The same goes for ex-mormons too, we've just been deceived rather than suffered potentially terminal illness. Some may accept their losses and walk away quietly, but others like me, when we see something wrong or injustice in the world, we like to try to change the world for the better. Ex-mormons come in many flavours, very much the same as cancer victims, we are all people after all. Does that make me a bad person if I try to make the world a better place according to what I believe is right even though it might mean that it would be against your beliefs? Wouldn't you want to know if you're being deceived? Where do you believe you could get the information that would reveal to you that you're being deceived? From the people that have already been there and found it out or from the deceiver itself?"
So no I won't just walk away and stay quiet on this subject. I will act and do what I believe is right, which in the case of the TSCC is to expose it for what it is: a fraud.
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I found Mr. Hatch's blog post to be quite facile and condescending in general. A few lines in particular:
But ex-Mormons who talk about LDS history lose a lot of perspective.
The reality is that ex-mormons are no longer under the onus of a "faithful only" mindset and interpretation of evidence. Adding a new perspective to your previous one--a perspective that doesn't require your study and thought to lead to a predetermined "official stance", is not a loss. In any way.
It isn't like we can't remember what the faithful perspective is or was--it didn't magically go poof.
"When I hear ex-Mormons insist 'I was lied to,' I have to wonder who did the lying?"
Pretty much everyone--parents, teachers, leaders, and ourselves. Because the church from its founding by its original leaders created and institutionalized a system that perpetuates Smith's con.
Was I purposefully deceived by my parents, teachers, and local church leaders? By myself? I don't think so. And that's what makes it all the more insidious--those who are encharged with love and care are teaching many falsehoods which they are compelled to hold as good and precious.
"We cannot get away from our own confirmation biases. Insisting that if all the facts are laid out then everyone will clearly agree with us or else they are the biased ones is the textbook definition of naïve realism."
Asimov said: "When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together. "
The earth is not a perfect sphere. Post-mormons aren't immune to confirmation bias. But as Asimov said, if you think the bias of postmormons compares to the bias of mormons when it comes to analysis of church history and issues, you're wronger than both put together. :)
"Please stop using the word apologist as an epithet. Please? You’re using it wrong."
Apologists have rightly earned membership in the same class of "truth manipulators" as politicans and lawyers. If so many didn't engage in stretching/concealing/spinning the truth to have it fit their own ends, then these professions wouldn't suffer a bad rap.
Some don't deserve the rap, and it's unfortunate for them. But too many do.
"Your outrage at Mormonism doesn’t make you cleaner than the rest of us."
No. But if you have absolutely no problem with the church's harmful practices, that continue to hurt real people in this the year 2016 AD--and your position is "everything's cool, just get over it" -- you've kinda shit yourself, in my opinion.
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I found Mr. Hatch's blog post to be quite facile and condescending in general. A few lines in particular:
But ex-Mormons who talk about LDS history lose a lot of perspective.
The reality is that ex-mormons are no longer under the onus of a "faithful only" mindset and interpretation of evidence. Adding a new perspective to your previous one--a perspective that doesn't require your study and thought to lead to a predetermined "official stance", is not a loss. In any way.
It isn't like we can't remember what the faithful perspective is or was--it didn't magically go poof.
"When I hear ex-Mormons insist 'I was lied to,' I have to wonder who did the lying?"
Pretty much everyone--parents, teachers, leaders, and ourselves. Because the church from its founding by its original leaders created and institutionalized a system that perpetuates Smith's con.
Was I purposefully deceived by my parents, teachers, and local church leaders? By myself? I don't think so. And that's what makes it all the more insidious--those who are encharged with love and care are teaching many falsehoods which they are compelled to hold as good and precious.
"We cannot get away from our own confirmation biases. Insisting that if all the facts are laid out then everyone will clearly agree with us or else they are the biased ones is the textbook definition of naïve realism."
Asimov said: "When people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together. "
The earth is not a perfect sphere. Post-mormons aren't immune to confirmation bias. But as Asimov said, if you think the bias of postmormons compares to the bias of mormons when it comes to analysis of church history and issues, you're wronger than both put together. :)
"Please stop using the word apologist as an epithet. Please? You’re using it wrong."
Apologists have rightly earned membership in the same class of "truth manipulators" as politicans and lawyers. If so many didn't engage in stretching/concealing/spinning the truth to have it fit their own ends, then these professions wouldn't suffer a bad rap.
Some don't deserve the rap, and it's unfortunate for them. But too many do.
"Your outrage at Mormonism doesn’t make you cleaner than the rest of us."
No. But if you have absolutely no problem with the church's harmful practices, that continue to hurt real people in this the year 2016 AD--and your position is "everything's cool, just get over it" -- you've kinda shit yourself, in my opinion.
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I just wish some of our excellent rebuttals would find a section every week in the SL Tribune. Why does this fake religion deserve to put their propaganda out there on a weekly and daily basis, but real truth about LDSism does not have the same opportunity.
Seems to me it does make us cleaner. When you insist that a Warren Jeffs act-alike is a prophet of god, you have dirty hands.
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"I wish my fellow ex-Mormons (or former Mormons, or disaffected, or whatever) would realize that they are only mirroring the Mormonism they grew up with and lived with for so many years. The same black-and-white mentality unfolds, only as if we’ve suddenly been transported to bizarro world. Apologists go from heroes to villains, history goes from faith-promoting to faith-destructing, the Book of Mormon goes from proving the church is true to proving it’s false, Church leaders, both historic and modern, go from being the greatest men on earth to some of the most evil, the temple goes from beautiful to sinister, Joseph Smith goes from prophet to pedophile, the church goes from selfless charity to money-hoarding corporation, Mormons go from being the most enlightened people on earth to the most sheltered. On and on and on it goes. Instead of breaking out of the narrative the church wrote for us, we just flip the switch and black becomes white and up becomes down, but the story is identical..."
I liked much of what John Hatch had to say, although I'm not going go focus on that aspect. Mostly I found it ironic that he was painting ex-Mormons and Mormons as equally dichotomous. Then later he tells about stages of grief and ranges of belief. So where's the dichotomy? Did he just manufacture them with some careful verbal packaging? To me his essay sounded a lot like the verbal shaming I've received from true believers, an attempt to make me not express the truth as I see it. WTF? So now the devout faithful and those who follow Hatch's recommendations agree that only the believers should express their perspectives?
I have been at PostMormon for years. One thing I've seen is that nearly everyone changes over time, usually coming in broken or raging and then, months or years later, quietly fading away because their intensity is gone, an acceptance and softness replacing what had been emotional wounds. There is no dichotomy here: it's a whole range. We all transition and change. How is he not seeing that?
What bothered me most about Hatch's essay was the superior tone he takes, as if his version of not being Mormon is the more evolved way. While he acknowledges that he once raged, paragraphs later he treats raging as inferior. It's a tadpole disdaining the eggs of its own species, not seeing the frog it will become, and mistakenly thinking that one form is above the others. Another metaphor: I have this image of Hatch looking in his rearview mirror at the people behind him on the road and thinking, "I'm so ahead of them!"
I sometimes deal with people who have PTSD, the lingering effects of having been through trauma. One woman has never been able to shed her overreactions to swearing men or even ostensibly cordial texts from her ex-husband. The problem for this woman, I believe, is not that she has failed to adequately address her issues. The problem is that she is still not safe. Recently she heard a commotion outside, became suspicious, surreptitiously investigated, and detected/thwarted an attempt to set fire on her property. If she had been fully recovered from the PTSD her vigilance would have been lower and the outcome would have been much worse. Sometimes a person needs to have their alarm sensitivity turned up.
John Hatch presents a case for others to "get over it" like he has, his better way of having been Mormon. I think he intellectually knows that there are many roads leaving Zion, but at an emotional level he seems to perceive his as best, with the implication that something about him, too, is above the rest. Okay, good for you, Hatch. You're above me, you're more nuanced, you don't see church history as faith reducing, apologists abetting wrong, or sexual predation in a 32-year-old man manipulating parents to give their 14-year-old daughter for sex and a "secret" marriage. Given Smith's sexual escapades, I definitely side with "pedophile" over "prophet" as the better term. Am I blinded by black/white thinking?
MU, I also have taken a long, slow, winding path away from the temple. I'm not convinced that I will ever be fully done with it. Probably I've been hurt or was injured differently than John Hatch.
Years ago I saw a sign on the north slope of Timpanogos Peak, a warning of a potential death trap. The sign itself had fallen and was placed at the base of the post. It looked to me like the sign itself had fallen and had been put back approximately into place by someone who wanted it to be seen. I later learned that close to that sign was a sink hole in which winter snow accumulated. Then, with thawing, the snow became ice, a slippery funnel leading to the rocks below. I was told (but I don't know if it's true) that people have died slipping into that hole.
Reading John Hatch I get the impression that he sees such warnings as beneath him. I think he's full of shit. I applaud the people who went to all the work to put the sign there in the first place and I thank those who have come after, probably dozens of people, who keep putting the weathered wood back where people like me can see it and be informed.
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Recently someone in another thread asked why don't we just get over it and get on with our lives?
Am I just reflecting an opposite version of mormonism? Is this a function of the black-and-white thinking I was raised with? Why do I keep coming back to postmormon.org? I know we all have our reasons for being here and the reasons are as varied as the people here, but for me there's an underlying issue. My association with mormonism embarrasses me, frankly. It's the reason I want no funeral, because I don't want any of my friends or associates to know that I was in any way associated with this stupid cult. I almost walked out of a polygraph exam (it was for top-secret government clearance where I work - not as exciting as it sounds) because I had to tell the guy about my religious past. There are things I don't comment on on my facebook feed, not because it would out me to my family and friends, but because I don't want others to know that I'm somehow connected to mormonism. I sometimes go to great lengths to hide my background.
I wish I could make peace with my past, but at this time I just can't. I suppose it's tough still having family in the church, but even when I'm in a non-church environment, I can't admit to ever belonging to the church. I envy the author's perspective. I'm working towards it, but right now there are too many hurdles in my way.
Do any of you deal with this? How do you handle it?
Great MU, first of all fck the author of that pice of sht article. I can't stand exmos that make other exmos feel guilty like that. What's more mormon that making others feel guilty? Sounds like he's not as over mormonism as he wants everybody to believe. lol whatever
When it comes to you my friend. I have a hard time just popping off some postmo schtick. You already know the drill, you can correctly answer the questions in your post....you have been to the show, if you know what I mean. For me, the questions you asked in your post are not nearly as interesting as your statement about being embarrassed by your association with mormonism. I believe that is the heart of the issue.
You will need to work through that embarrassment, which I think is another word for shame. The church bamboozled you and guilted you in the process and the bonus prize for figuring out the fraud is an incredible amount of shame.
A definition for shame : a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the conciousness of wrong or foolish behavior.
I can only speak for myself. I had a long period of being embarrassed and ashamed of being a mormon and all that goes with it. I was ashamed that I based every important decision of my life on total nonsense. Yeah I didn't like my past. It went beyond having regrets for the options I had that I had passed up. Emotionally, it was painful and I was humiliated......with myself.
So a couple things. First, I realized that a lot of people grew up in religions like mormonism. Even many catholics I talked to, who grew up with very active parents and went to catholic school, reported similar experiences to the ones I had as a mormon. the fact is much of the world is based on controlling people, young people especially, through religion or otherwise and the transition of a person from such an organization is a pretty normal part of growing into adulthood. Second, I realized that every non mormon I talked to about it really did not care if I used to be a mormon. I found they don't judge me like, well like I used to judge poeple as a mormon. I think people get it. They all get that normal humans make mistakes let alone they get that people are born into this crap all the time.
I found what mattered was who I was now, how I acted. If I was embarrassed about being a mormon, then they were embarrassed for me....but if I didn't give a crap, well they didn't give a crap either.
Your name may still be on the records, like millions of catholics etc, but you are no longer mormon. MU, you don't need to carry that burden anymore. Like Robin Williams to Matt Damon, "it's not your fault." You have to own that it's not your fault. You have to own that you used to be mormon and now you are not and that this is a very normal part of life. It is certainly nothing to be embarrassed about anymore. You gotta let that shame go.
I actually got over this feeling of shame and it was not from stopping doing anything. It was from starting something. I made a decision to accept myself, completely, just as I was, right then. Accept the sum total of my life up to this point, mormonism and all........and then like who I was. For me, it was a much deeper process than how it comes accross but honest to god it worked. I just don't worry or feel bad or embarrassed about it anymore. Being an exmo, or a mo or used to be mo or a exmo whose wife is still a mo......non of this defines me anymore. Not only that but I just don't emotionally let it control me or embarrass me.
You don't need to be embarrassed about your association with mormonism anymore. I think if you can strike at that root, well, it may go a long way.
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I just read something interesting on FB. The world population in 1968 was 3,557,000,000 and is now 7,217,000,000 -- really, who the hell does the statistics(reminds of one of the things that really bugged me about the BofM -- all those battles and all the dead people(and no archealogical remnants) -- who the hell took down the numbers -- was there a royal statistician or did St. Peter take down the numbers and send them to pinnochio joe via his wonderful rock in the hat).
I know, when are we going to get to the SEX?! How many wives did God have to have sex with to have all the spirits needed for the bodies to come to this earth? He would have to have had sex 24 hrs a day for a couple of thousand years -- I like sex, but hell, that would be like a job -- I wonder if he had a daily quota. Another thing that bugged me was -- were all the spirits that were assigned to this earth born spiritually before the great/grand council. If they weren't they didn't get to vote on the life they were going to have -- just like you don't know what you are getting into when you promise not to say anything about what goes on in the holy house of creepy hugs and handshakes before you even find out -- and then, it's too late. IMVHO, if there is a CK, it is going to be a sexfest for the men and women are going to learn what it is like to be "barefoot and pregnant" for eternity. But, also imvho, it is all HORSESHIT -- but fun to speculate!
Something, maybe unrelated, in imvho, if this life were a movie, it would be a combo of -- aliens&cowboys+the truman show+night at the museum(all the dioramas)+oblivion+perhaps the marix.
Sorry, if the sex part wasn't as stimulating enough as some of you had anticipated and left some of you unsatisfied, but my goal was not to be a tease.
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Well to begin with gawd was once a mortal or so the wordsmith said. Generally there is only one golden sperm or golden egg in sex that get to show the reward for such efforts involved. However in a celestial perfected state all sperm and all eggs are golden. (not to be confused with some folks in this life that think they have golden balls) You get the picture, no such haploid cell is wasted and thus more spirit prolification miraculously happens. The holey orgasmic ghost blesses and watches over this untimed glory of incarnate conception.
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Lots of question and thougths come to my mind:
1. How long does a spirit embryo take to develop?
2. How does spirital labor and delivery work?
3. After a spirit is delivered, how many weeks need pass before the gods engage is sex?
4. Is there a recommended amount of time a goddess wife should wait between pregnancies?
5. If a spiritual embryo takes nine earth months to develop, it would take one goddess wife 5,412,750,000 (5.4 billion years) barefoot and pregnant to supply enough spirit babies for the earth.
6. If we assume that a goddes wife is pregnant for 9 months and has a 3 month break, god would need 7,217,000 (7.2 million) goddess wives to produce this many spirits in 1,000 years. 1,031,000 (one million) goddess wives to produce this many spirits in 7,000 years.
7. for 7,217,000,000 spirits to be born in a 1,000 year period, god would need to impregnate a goddess wife every, 4.37 seconds (now I am starting to understand the word "Omnipotent"). Is this even realistic for a god? I read somewhere that if a man is having sex everyday, he will make out an average of 2 ejaculations per day.
8. At two ejaculations per day, and godess wife gets pregnate once a year, god can only impregnate 730 goddess wives per year and they are back into the cycle. This make anymore than 730 goddess plural wives impractical.
9. at 730 goddess plural wives, it will take 9,886,301 years to produce the current world population.
10. I am not sure how the whole 1,000 earth years = 1 Kolob day comes into play
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How about the morality of creating something that is imperfect to begin with - and then pretty much throwing them into a Hunger Games type scenario after wiping their memories clean.
It would be like me taking my 4 year old child and kicking them out of the car in East St. Louis and driving away.
Oh - but I love you! And if you don't find your way back home I guess you don't love me back.
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Lots of question and thougths come to my mind:
1. How long does a spirit embryo take to develop?
2. How does spirital labor and delivery work?
3. After a spirit is delivered, how many weeks need pass before the gods engage is sex?
4. Is there a recommended amount of time a goddess wife should wait between pregnancies?
5. If a spiritual embryo takes nine earth months to develop, it would take one goddess wife 5,412,750,000 (5.4 billion years) barefoot and pregnant to supply enough spirit babies for the earth.
6. If we assume that a goddes wife is pregnant for 9 months and has a 3 month break, god would need 7,217,000 (7.2 million) goddess wives to produce this many spirits in 1,000 years. 1,031,000 (one million) goddess wives to produce this many spirits in 7,000 years.
7. for 7,217,000,000 spirits to be born in a 1,000 year period, god would need to impregnate a goddess wife every, 4.37 seconds (now I am starting to understand the word "Omnipotent"). Is this even realistic for a god? I read somewhere that if a man is having sex everyday, he will make out an average of 2 ejaculations per day.
8. At two ejaculations per day, and godess wife gets pregnate once a year, god can only impregnate 730 goddess wives per year and they are back into the cycle. This make anymore than 730 goddess plural wives impractical.
9. at 730 goddess plural wives, it will take 9,886,301 years to produce the current world population.
10. I am not sure how the whole 1,000 earth years = 1 Kolob day comes into play
...and how do you keep these spirit embryos inside the perfect and physical womb, or are there millions of 'em floating around the celestial nursery, hopping back into the womb (any womb) from time to time like a kangaroo joey does with the pouch?
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Lots of question and thougths come to my mind:
1. How long does a spirit embryo take to develop?
2. How does spirital labor and delivery work?
3. After a spirit is delivered, how many weeks need pass before the gods engage is sex?
4. Is there a recommended amount of time a goddess wife should wait between pregnancies?
5. If a spiritual embryo takes nine earth months to develop, it would take one goddess wife 5,412,750,000 (5.4 billion years) barefoot and pregnant to supply enough spirit babies for the earth.
6. If we assume that a goddes wife is pregnant for 9 months and has a 3 month break, god would need 7,217,000 (7.2 million) goddess wives to produce this many spirits in 1,000 years. 1,031,000 (one million) goddess wives to produce this many spirits in 7,000 years.
7. for 7,217,000,000 spirits to be born in a 1,000 year period, god would need to impregnate a goddess wife every, 4.37 seconds (now I am starting to understand the word "Omnipotent"). Is this even realistic for a god? I read somewhere that if a man is having sex everyday, he will make out an average of 2 ejaculations per day.
8. At two ejaculations per day, and godess wife gets pregnate once a year, god can only impregnate 730 goddess wives per year and they are back into the cycle. This make anymore than 730 goddess plural wives impractical.
9. at 730 goddess plural wives, it will take 9,886,301 years to produce the current world population.
10. I am not sure how the whole 1,000 earth years = 1 Kolob day comes into play
Maybe you'll be resurrected as a 19 year old man. At that age, most of us could produce more than two ejaculations per day. Back then, the refractory period was maybe 2 minutes. Boom! Back at 'er!
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MishMagnet:
How about the morality of creating something that is imperfect to begin with - and then pretty much throwing them into a Hunger Games type scenario after wiping their memories clean.
It would be like me taking my 4 year old child and kicking them out of the car in East St. Louis and driving away.
Oh - but I love you! And if you don't find your way back home I guess you don't love me back.
I think that's the best synopsis of the "Plan of Salvation" I have ever seen! Sussinct and accurate. Bravo!
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Well to begin with gawd was once a mortal or so the wordsmith said. Generally there is only one golden sperm or golden egg in sex that get to show the reward for such efforts involved. However in a celestial perfected state all sperm and all eggs are golden. (not to be confused with some folks in this life that think they have golden balls) You get the picture, no such haploid cell is wasted and thus more spirit prolification miraculously happens. The holey orgasmic ghost blesses and watches over this untimed glory of incarnate conception.
Not only are all ghawd's spermatoza golden, they also have wings! Every winged sperm finds a 'home'!! So he only has to have sex a few times a month...
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MishMagnet:
How about the morality of creating something that is imperfect to begin with - and then pretty much throwing them into a Hunger Games type scenario after wiping their memories clean.
It would be like me taking my 4 year old child and kicking them out of the car in East St. Louis and driving away.
Oh - but I love you! And if you don't find your way back home I guess you don't love me back.
What a great take MishMagnet! I hard-copied your plan of salvation synopsis.
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I can't insert a link from my phone but here is the url for a little light reading before bed.
http://unitedhumanists.com/2016/03/27/mormons-are-declaring-war-on-masturbation/
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The LDS pamphlet they reference says to dump any friends who masturbate, so I can't talk to you sickos anymore. I guess my only friends are... well, sh*t. I guess I don't have any friends.
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The LDS pamphlet they reference says to dump any friends who masturbate, so I can't talk to you sickos anymore. I guess my only friends are... well, sh*t. I guess I don't have any friends.
[ ] Yes!!! because the openess about sex in my Mormon upbringing, and the healthy conversation that masterbation was normal, caused me to broadcast to all of my friends that I was "not master of my domain".
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Too bad the article doesn't contain the full contents of the pamphlet, which can be found HERE. Some of the gems in the complete pamphlet are leaving the bathroom door open, cold showers, avoiding spicy foods, envision yourself bathing in a tub of worms when tempted, and TYING YOUR HAND TO THE BEDPOST OVERNIGHT!!! We had the whole pamphlet when I was a missionary.
(Back then you could repent if you happened to polish the wood while on your mission. I guess this was before they raised the bar on ... erm ... raising the bar!)
ETA: Oh, another gem from the full pamphlet -- DON'T PRAY ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM!!! That's a real WTF for me. Jesus can help you with your problems, but don't pray about them!
Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep it in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, but keep the problem out of your mind by not mentioning it ever -- not in conversation with others, not in your prayers. keep it out of your mind!
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"When the temptation to masturbate is strong, yell STOP to those thoughts as loudly as you can in your mind and then recite a prechosen Scripture or sing an inspirational hymn. It is important to turn your thoughts away from the selfish need to indulge."
I'm sure this one worked great! Imagine a 15 year old kid in their room screaming STOP! The parents run in to save them from what they could only imagine was an intruder. There you are in your bed, "little factory" in hand, singing I am a child of god. Is your 15 year old self equipped to explain this situation?
edited to add: this post next to my avatar is amazing. I promise that was not the reason I picked it.
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And when you get married and don't have any orgasms - and can't even give any guidance on how to get you one because you've never had one - think of that as a positive too. Less tempted to have sex.
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I read through this link and came up with these thoughts:
1. When you are tempted to rub one out, read the scriptures. Songs of Solomon is a great place to start. Then use the concordance to look up scriptures about concubines, harlots, hand-maidens, and spilling seed on the ground.
2. For Gawd's sake never pray about it. It will only remind you that you have a very serious problem. Praying takes a conscience effort and that is not what you want if you are trying hard not to think about it.
3. You can touch yourself only during the toilet processes. Oh Jesus, the toilet! Since #1 and #2 are going to happen no matter what, then the little factory will know that you know it's there and we all know what little factories do.
4. Limit bathroom time to 5-6 minutes. Shower, dry off, shave, pit-stop, brush teeth, comb hair, get dressed, etc. Yeah, I'm gonna need at least 8 minutes to be presentable.
5. Never admire yourself in the mirror. I can live with this one, it's never been a problem. However, the mirror is there and it shows it like it is, I'm gonna look. Sorry Mr. Petersen, but if Mr. Winkie is there, I'm gonna at least glance a time or two. I suspose I could limit the dances, but eh, whatever.
6. If during the night is when this problem arises the most, then wear lots of restrictive clothing when you go to bed. Hmmm, I would need to wear everything I own. Then I would have to start wearing my sister's clothes, and who knows where that would lead.
7. You can be cured. But, I'm not sick. I feel myself just fine. I don't know why my palms have a new growth of, well, I can wear gloves. There is nothing to cure, how can I cure nothing?
8. End all friendships with others who share this same problem. How would I possibly know who does and who doesn't? "Hi Mr. Petersen, do you spank the monkey?" Maybe I could post on Facebook that I am a frequent wanker. Yeah, I'd like to see who "likes" that.
9. No looking at porn. This means no computer, TV, movies, magazines of any kind, and probably no more trips to the beach, swimming pool, gym, etc.
When I was a teenager I worked at a bowling alley which had an outdoor movie screen behind it. I worked in the back and there was a window. I kept a ledger on the wall with a listing of times when the good parts were being shown. I won't say what happened during these times, but many of the rules were broken. Jesus, some were broken beyond repair.
Brothers and Sisters, in closing I would like to tell you all to follow your hearts. You know what is best for yourself. Don't be mis-led by those with narrow vision and twisted views.
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Kevin2, your avatar does take on new meaning with this topic!
I remember that very pamphlet from my mission circa 1843 wherein I cried repentance unto the Lamanites of the highlands of Central America. Even then I thought the idea of tying one's hand in the night was just plain stupid. We had other pamphlets by Mark E. Petersen, one of them proclaiming the eternal wickedness of the great and terrible whore of the earth, the Catholic church.
He was a few bubbles off plumb, that Mark.
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Kevin2, your avatar does take on new meaning with this topic!
I remember that very pamphlet from my mission circa 1843 wherein I cried repentance unto the Lamanites of the highlands of Central America. Even then I thought the idea of tying one's hand in the night was just plain stupid. We had other pamphlets by Mark E. Petersen, one of them proclaiming the eternal wickedness of the great and terrible whore of the earth, the Catholic church.
He was a few bubbles off plumb, that Mark.
This is gold!
Petersen was as looney as BKP when it came to hardline church politics. He had no use for SWK, often referring to him as "the runt". This was a guy who called the Song of Solomon pornographic, to the point that he had actually stapled the pages shut in his Bible!
This is the dude who told a stake conference in Seattle (sometime in the mid 1970s) that in over 40 years of marriage, he had never seen his wife naked! Good Lord, this guy lived a life of sexual paucity and for what? Outdated puritanical nonsense, that's what! I'll bet JS saw more than a few of his 33 wives naked.
The mormon curtain has some real good gems from Petersen, especially his thoughts on race relations.
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Posted: 29 March 2016 03:53 AM [ Ignore ]
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I saw on the news last night that the MORG is now saying that all LDS women should mentor a refugee or two one on one. It does not say anything about the men mentoring refugees. I guess this is a tactic to try to shore up the reputation they are getting regarding callousness of their own members. It would seem to me that members should at least be kind to and accept their own members that are LGBT but that has not been mentioned recently.
I wonder where the church thinks this time and money for mentoring is going to come from. Women are already challenged with large families, multiple church assignments and now they want them to take on refugees. I wonder how this program is going to work out or is it all just hype to make the Morg look good and kind.
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I saw on the news last night that the MORG is now saying that all LDS women should mentor a refugee or two one on one. It does not say anything about the men mentoring refugees. I guess this is a tactic to try to shore up the reputation they are getting regarding callousness of their own members. It would seem to me that members should at least be kind to and accept their own members that are LGBT but that has not been mentioned recently.
I wonder where the church thinks this time and money for mentoring is going to come from. Women are already challenged with large families, multiple church assignments and now they want them to take on refugees. I wonder how this program is going to work out or is it all just hype to make the Morg look good and kind.
We had some flooding here a few years back, and some drone from the stake high council showed up at priesthood meeting and told everybody that it was their priesthood duty to volunteer to help with the cleanup (about 100,000 people were displaced). This was about 2 weeks after the fact. I guess the church, as usual, was a day late and a dollar short.
If the church has to tell its members to volunteer, they need to have another look at the way they do things.
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Posted: 29 March 2016 06:06 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 2 ]
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It just seems like it is out of the blue and really unconnected to anything. However, I am not so naive that I believe that the pronouncement is not part of some plan that they have. Maybe they think the women do not have enough to do and that this will keep them busy enough that they do not have the time to think about the inequality in the church or that they might like to hold the priesthood also.
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I saw on the news last night that the MORG is now saying that all LDS women should mentor a refugee or two one on one. It does not say anything about the men mentoring refugees. I guess this is a tactic to try to shore up the reputation they are getting regarding callousness of their own members. It would seem to me that members should at least be kind to and accept their own members that are LGBT but that has not been mentioned recently.
I wonder where the church thinks this time and money for mentoring is going to come from. Women are already challenged with large families, multiple church assignments and now they want them to take on refugees. I wonder how this program is going to work out or is it all just hype to make the Morg look good and kind.
My first thought on this is they know these women are going to push mormonism on these refugees. I suppose the men alreadly have too much on their plates. Don't want to offend them--you know--by making life more difficult.
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And don't forget those "mormon helping hands" t-shirts! They must be worn, because when the camera crew and the regional authority show up for the photo op, they must be easily identified by the public!
Just one problem... If the "mentors" try to foist their religion upon these refugees, most of whom are Muslim, that opens a whole new can of worms, since anyone who leaves Islam can be branded an infidel and a death warrant could be put out on them (depending on the faction of Islam they observe). Yes, help them, but don't push religion on them. LET THEM BE, for god's sake!
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It is always more complicated than just doing a good deed. T-shirts, proseletizing (sic). It can never be about helping someone just because you want to give them a hand up. We are all cynical for good reason.
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I need to constantly remind myself of this. All religions have unique identifiers, be it holy books, practices or customs or whatever they claim sets them apart from the others. Each adherent is just as devout as the next is to their chosen faith. I would take this beyond holy books and include "miracles". This is the stock and trade of many religions. If something is deemed to be a miracle and it occurs within the context of that religion (i.e. a priesthood blessing during a time of severe illness, followed by a recovery), the "miracle" is attributed to the faith or practice which preceded the recovery and that becomes a "faith promoting" story and will be repeated for generations as "proof" that this particular flavor of religion is "true".
Except, what happens when it's equally miraculous but it is not YOUR religion which was followed? I've heard mormons call these occurrences "counterfeit" because it couldn't POSSIBLY happen without the priesthood, right? I suppose other religions might refer to the mormon miracles as counterfeit as well. Who is to know?
Meanwhile, the doctors, nurses and other health professionals who worked feverishly to save the sick are not given any credit, only all glory is given to whatever brand of god the zealots wish to endorse.
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Except, what happens when it's equally miraculous but it is not YOUR religion which was followed? I've heard mormons call these occurrences "counterfeit" because it couldn't POSSIBLY happen without the priesthood, right? I suppose other religions might refer to the mormon miracles as counterfeit as well. Who is to know?
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Growing up this is how I rememember my fellow mormons responding to miracle stories from other faiths. But nowadays it seems there has been a shift, at least with the lds I associate with. Instead the explanation I'm hearing more often is that while other religions don't have the complete truth enjoyed by mormons, they do have pieces of the truth and are therefor able to enjoy some of the benefits that come from faithful adherence to those truths. Its like the mormons have a car that whole and runs great, while other religions have cars that are missing a bunch of parts and some things are jerry-rigged together. Theirs will still get you to places, mostly, but it isn't as nice of a ride.
This new mentality bugs me, because for example, if other religions are getting answers to prayers that confirm their religion is true because it is at least partly true, then what good is that test? It is a yardstick that measures any length as a meter.
Anyway, I wonder if this is just my personal experience and there really hasn't been a mainstream shift in the rationalizations of non-mormon experiences. Maybe it has more to do with the mormons I talk to knowing that I'm not a believer, and so explanations like non-mormon miracles being counterfit sounds noticeably fishy when they have to think about it enough to frame it to a non-believers perspective.
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Also, thanks for the video. I enjoyed seeing outside examples of a claim that has been paraded as so uniquely mormon.
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Except, what happens when it's equally miraculous but it is not YOUR religion which was followed? I've heard mormons call these occurrences "counterfeit" because it couldn't POSSIBLY happen without the priesthood, right? I suppose other religions might refer to the mormon miracles as counterfeit as well. Who is to know?
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Growing up this is how I rememember my fellow mormons responding to miracle stories from other faiths. But nowadays it seems there has been a shift, at least with the lds I associate with. Instead the explanation I'm hearing more often is that while other religions don't have the complete truth enjoyed by mormons, they do have pieces of the truth and are therefor able to enjoy some of the benefits that come from faithful adherence to those truths. Its like the mormons have a car that whole and runs great, while other religions have cars that are missing a bunch of parts and some things are jerry-rigged together. Theirs will still get you to places, mostly, but it isn't as nice of a ride.
This new mentality bugs me, because for example, if other religions are getting answers to prayers that confirm their religion is true because it is at least partly true, then what good is that test? It is a yardstick that measures any length as a meter.
Anyway, I wonder if this is just my personal experience and there really hasn't been a mainstream shift in the rationalizations of non-mormon experiences. Maybe it has more to do with the mormons I talk to knowing that I'm not a believer, and so explanations like non-mormon miracles being counterfit sounds noticeably fishy when they have to think about it enough to frame it to a non-believers perspective.
Lazarus, I agree with your thinking here. At some point one has to question the measuring tool, but that seems beyond consideration for the Mormons in my life. They have a compass that points consistently only in one regard: "I know the church is true." Any other applications of the compass yields random directions, making it essentially worthless. They never seem to see the second problematic part.
"Counterfeit" and "they have a degree of the truth" --I've heard both of them employed when someone from another faith had a compelling miracle. Sigh and
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
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Except, what happens when it's equally miraculous but it is not YOUR religion which was followed? I've heard mormons call these occurrences "counterfeit" because it couldn't POSSIBLY happen without the priesthood, right? I suppose other religions might refer to the mormon miracles as counterfeit as well. Who is to know?
<snip>
Growing up this is how I rememember my fellow mormons responding to miracle stories from other faiths. But nowadays it seems there has been a shift, at least with the lds I associate with. Instead the explanation I'm hearing more often is that while other religions don't have the complete truth enjoyed by mormons, they do have pieces of the truth and are therefor able to enjoy some of the benefits that come from faithful adherence to those truths. Its like the mormons have a car that whole and runs great, while other religions have cars that are missing a bunch of parts and some things are jerry-rigged together. Theirs will still get you to places, mostly, but it isn't as nice of a ride.
This new mentality bugs me, because for example, if other religions are getting answers to prayers that confirm their religion is true because it is at least partly true, then what good is that test? It is a yardstick that measures any length as a meter.
Anyway, I wonder if this is just my personal experience and there really hasn't been a mainstream shift in the rationalizations of non-mormon experiences. Maybe it has more to do with the mormons I talk to knowing that I'm not a believer, and so explanations like non-mormon miracles being counterfit sounds noticeably fishy when they have to think about it enough to frame it to a non-believers perspective.
Lazarus, I agree with your thinking here. At some point one has to question the measuring tool, but that seems beyond consideration for the Mormons in my life. They have a compass that points consistently only in one regard: "I know the church is true." Any other applications of the compass yields random directions, making it essentially worthless. They never seem to see the second problematic part.
"Counterfeit" and "they have a degree of the truth" --I've heard both of them employed when someone from another faith had a compelling miracle. Sigh and
I've tried to explain this to TBM's. How can we rely on that test when it happens across the board and we weak humans are so inept at recognizing the Spirit(TM) as the Spirit(TM) that you have to be pretty cold to look someone in the eyes and tell them that your spiritual experience was legit and theirs was counterfeit. It's one of the big reasons I'm tending toward atheism--IMO it seems like either God made us so spiritually weak that we can't recognize his communication, or he isn't trying very hard to guide us. He wouldn't tell me whether I was right to leave the morg, but he started a friend's car for her last week.
I think this is because of who they're talking to, like you said. We can get pretty smug about our opinions until we're face to face with someone who sincerely believes the opposite. There's definitely been a shift from calling the Catholic church the "whore of all the earth" to saying all churches have elements of truth, but the people I'm around still reject the idea that anyone else could have authority or anything much better than the kindergarten version of religion.
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
THAT. IS. AMAZING. Wow! Ha ha, I thought I'd heard it all. Thank you for the laugh!
However... if I could cure animals by laying on of hands I wouldn't be very eager to give up that power either. That would make me feel pretty great. This anecdote along with Celestial Wedgie's and LostInParadise's comments ("...but <god> started a friends car for her last week.") reminded me of the song "Thank You God" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo). If you want to skip right to the song (the comedic setup is pretty great though...) it starts at 5:30. *LANGUAGE WARNING*
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
THAT. IS. AMAZING. Wow! Ha ha, I thought I'd heard it all. Thank you for the laugh!
However... if I could cure animals by laying on of hands I wouldn't be very eager to give up that power either. That would make me feel pretty great. This anecdote along with Celestial Wedgie's and LostInParadise's comments ("...but <god> started a friends car for her last week.") reminded me of the song "Thank You God" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo). If you want to skip right to the song (the comedic setup is pretty great though...) it starts at 5:30. *LANGUAGE WARNING*
Critical thinking, creative humor, and a full orchestra. This is awesome!
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
I believe that could have happened. We are powerful beings and can emit powerful energy from our minds simply from intent. It has nothing to do with religion. Reiki is a form of energy treatment of this kind. Science has proven that Reiki strengthens the immume system. Science may yet prove it has even more benefits. Religion highjacks our power like it highjacks everything else for its benefit.
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
I believe that could have happened. We are powerful beings and can emit powerful energy from our minds simply from intent. It has nothing to do with religion. Reiki is a form of energy treatment of this kind. Science has proven that Reiki strengthens the immume system. Science may yet prove it has even more benefits. Religion highjacks our power like it highjacks everything else for its benefit.
For me this is a possibility as well. As I have consistently posted that I accept love to be real and the connective force of the universe.
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
I believe that could have happened. We are powerful beings and can emit powerful energy from our minds simply from intent. It has nothing to do with religion. Reiki is a form of energy treatment of this kind. Science has proven that Reiki strengthens the immume system. Science may yet prove it has even more benefits. Religion highjacks our power like it highjacks everything else for its benefit.
For me this is a possibility as well. As I have consistently posted that I accept love to be real and the connective force of the universe.
Interesting. I hope my amusement of the anecdote doesn't upset either of you. I actually kinda envy you that you can believe it. I love the idea. The inconsistent efficacy of the application gives me pause, and lack of statistical data showing a significant rate of overcoming comparative health issues among groups or persons with these types of beliefs leaves me skeptical. But again, I love the idea. I'm a fan of Eastern thought, if not a practitioner.
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I chatted with a mormon and was shut down in my commentary as he responded that he used his priesthood to heal his dog from grave illness so he has no interest in leaving the lds paradigm.
I believe that could have happened. We are powerful beings and can emit powerful energy from our minds simply from intent. It has nothing to do with religion. Reiki is a form of energy treatment of this kind. Science has proven that Reiki strengthens the immume system. Science may yet prove it has even more benefits. Religion highjacks our power like it highjacks everything else for its benefit.
For me this is a possibility as well. As I have consistently posted that I accept love to be real and the connective force of the universe.
Interesting. I hope my amusement of the anecdote doesn't upset either of you. I actually kinda envy you that you can believe it. I love the idea. The inconsistent efficacy of the application gives me pause, and lack of statistical data showing a significant rate of overcoming comparative health issues among groups or persons with these types of beliefs leaves me skeptical. But again, I love the idea. I'm a fan of Eastern thought, if not a practitioner.
Tesla and Einstein are some pretty good guys to have in your corner--believing that we are both transmitters and receivers of energy and that there is a universal energy and information bank that we can excess and probably already have without knowing it. Then too, my TBM mom had more faith than anyone I have ever known. I guess this is not foreign to me as she was once was told by a vet that her dog had died. She went to it, put her hands on its head, prayed for it and it lived for several years after that. My TBM family will tell you this is true and therefore--the church is true. I think it has nothing to do with religion. I think it was her belief that accessed and/or transmitted energy because she believed so strongly that she was able to cause an energy change in matter. I believe there is something to faith--but that it has NOTHING to do with religion. I don't know everything. Just my two cents.
Edited to Add: And Free2Live, I believe you are correct on love being our connection to the universe. I used to tell my kids that love was the strongest power in the universe--even when I was TBM. This was not what LDS, Inc taught. I instinctively knew this somehow. And how much love did my mom have for her little dog? Add to that a talent for having more faith than most of us can ever muster.
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Interesting. I hope my amusement of the anecdote doesn't upset either of you. I actually kinda envy you that you can believe it. I love the idea. The inconsistent efficacy of the application gives me pause, and lack of statistical data showing a significant rate of overcoming comparative health issues among groups or persons with these types of beliefs leaves me skeptical. But again, I love the idea. I'm a fan of Eastern thought, if not a practitioner.
I'm with you on this, Lazarus. I wish it were true but I have my doubts. At a psychological level is truly do believe that love is powerful, perhaps the best antidepressant ever discovered. I wouldn't use it to reposition an errant satellite, but I would want it to heal a broken heart, buoy crumbled self-worth, and bring out the best in all of us.
Anyway, what I've appreciated most in this discussion--Free2Live, Lazarus, and Strong Free & Thankful--is seeing how people with divergent beliefs and views can interact so constructively. Thanks to all three of you for the thoughts and different perspectives presented in a way that my defenses never activate.
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Interesting. I hope my amusement of the anecdote doesn't upset either of you. I actually kinda envy you that you can believe it. I love the idea. The inconsistent efficacy of the application gives me pause, and lack of statistical data showing a significant rate of overcoming comparative health issues among groups or persons with these types of beliefs leaves me skeptical. But again, I love the idea. I'm a fan of Eastern thought, if not a practitioner.
I'm with you on this, Lazarus. I wish it were true but I have my doubts. At a psychological level is truly do believe that love is powerful, perhaps the best antidepressant ever discovered. I wouldn't use it to reposition an errant satellite, but I would want it to heal a broken heart, buoy crumbled self-worth, and bring out the best in all of us.
Anyway, what I've appreciated most in this discussion--Free2Live, Lazarus, and Strong Free & Thankful--is seeing how people with divergent beliefs and views can interact so constructively. Thanks to all three of you for the thoughts and different perspectives presented in a way that my defenses never activate.
lol Why would your defenses activate? When I was lost and utterly pissed off it was through a relook at Love that helped me define what I believe versus what I was told that I believe. Love is real. Love does not demand to be worshipped. All races nationalities theists and atheists have love. Connectivity peace and calm happen within the domain of love. In a world filled with illusion delusion belief and emotion I find Love to be real and consistent. I accept love to be beyond the mere 5 accepted senses of human proofs.
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@Free2Live I'm pretty sure Celestial Wedgie means that the way we were discussing our differing perspectives doesn't trigger a defensive response, not the beliefs themselves. I also appreciate a discussion that is free from personal attacks and can simply be an exchange of ideas without judgement. Thanks for that. Thanks to you Celestial Wedgie for the compliment. You (Celestial Wedgie) have always struck me as an easy person to talk to because I've noticed that your posts are free from animosity. I enjoy your posts.
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@Free2Live I'm pretty sure Celestial Wedgie means that the way we were discussing our differing perspectives doesn't trigger a defensive response, not the beliefs themselves. I also appreciate a discussion that is free from personal attacks and can simply be an exchange of ideas without judgement. Thanks for that. Thanks to you Celestial Wedgie for the compliment. You (Celestial Wedgie) have always struck me as an easy person to talk to because I've noticed that your posts are free from animosity. I enjoy your posts.
Thanks, Lazarus. And yes, what you explained to Free2Live: that's exactly what I was admiring and appreciating. You three exemplify the best of people disagreeing graciously.
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