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Michael Jackson's kids decide no more going door-to-door
by Gopher 3 years ago 49 Replies latest 3 years ago   jw friends
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Gopher
Gopher 3 years ago

This article made my day. It looks like Paris Jackson and her brother Prince Michael have told Katherine they simply aren't interested in peddling JW stuff from door-to-door any more. I'm glad they are becoming their own people and emerging from their grandmother's control.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/paris-jackson-prince-michael-jackson-jehovas-witness/
Paris Jackson Puts Her Foot Down! No More Going Door-To-Door As Jehovah’s Witness
Is Paris Jackson defying her grandmother Katherine’s wishes?
Every Sunday, Paris, 15, and her brother Prince Michael, 16, would venture door-to-door in Calabasas, Calif., spreading the word for Jehovah’s Witness.
However, in recent months, the pair has neglected their duties, and RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that it was Paris who put an end to the good deed because she absolutely hated it!
“Paris resented going door-to-door for Jehovah’s Witness, even though it was what her grandmother wanted,” a source close to the situation said.
“So, she dug her heels in a few months back and told Katherine she just doesn’t want to do it anymore — and Paris and Michael haven’t done it since.”
The source added: “Paris just feels she’s more grown up now, and while she’s not renouncing her Christian values,” she doesn’t want to go door-to-door for Jehovah’s Witness forever.”
Paris was also concerned that doing this would make her, Prince Michael and their family appear like the ‘weirdos’ in the area.
“She has her own goals in life now and her own dreams. She wants to continue with her acting career, loves playing the guitar and would welcome the opportunity to follow in her father Michael’s footsteps into pop music.”
As RadarOnline.com previously reported, Paris celebrated her 15th birthday with her formerly estranged mother Debbie Rowe last weekend.
It was the first time Paris and her mother have been seen in public together since she was an infant.
The teen was all-smiles as they went shopping and out to dinner.
 
Dagney
Dagney 3 years ago

Yeah, I read that also. Good!
 
cantleave
cantleave 3 years ago

Good for her. Another happy escapee!
 
Satanus
Satanus 3 years ago

Good for her. Are iether of them michael's real kids? Or, are they adopted?
S
 
darth frosty
darth frosty 3 years ago

"Paris just feels she's more grown up now, and while she's not renouncing her Christian values," she doesn't want to go door-to-door for Jehovah's Witness forever."

There is SOOO much Irony in this statement!
 
Theocratic Sedition
Theocratic Sedition 3 years ago

Darth Frosty, you beat me to it.
The source added: “Paris just feels she’s more grown up now, and while she’s not renouncing her Christian values,” she doesn’t want to go door-to-door for Jehovah’s Witness forever.”

Hilarious. She summed it up correctly though, door to door is neverending. It will enver end. I wonder at times if the WT knows just how many JWs secretly hate it.
 
Satanus
Satanus 3 years ago

'"Paris just feels she's more grown up now'
Wonder when the granny will grow up.
S
 
james_woods
james_woods 3 years ago

Wonder when the granny will grow up.
Probably not even after she gets a judgement from the production company and the quack doctor that killed Michael.
You must never forget that this is all about the money.
Just like you must never forget that about the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
 
Think About It
Think About It 3 years ago

Door-to-door is to JW's what carousel was for humans in Logan's Run. A false promise of a ritual that ended in everlasting life.



 
james_woods
james_woods 3 years ago

Logan's Run should really have been named "Logan's Gun"...
 
james_woods
james_woods 3 years ago

BTW - we are off topic...
 
Theocratic Sedition
Theocratic Sedition 3 years ago

At age 15 had I told my folks that there would be no more field service for me, I would have been homeless.
 
notjustyet
notjustyet 3 years ago

Maybe "Logan's Shun".
NJY
 
ShirleyW
ShirleyW 3 years ago

How is this woman still allowed to go door to door, yet she's had well publicized birthday parties and Christmas celebrations? That's like some pioneer inviting the congregation to their bday and Xmas celebrations, yet they still turn in their hours, I have a feeling the average dub would be in that back room for a private meeting!
 
AndDontCallMeShirley
AndDontCallMeShirley 3 years ago

 "I wonder at times if the WT knows just how many JWs secretly hate it."

That would be easy enough to determine: WT could simply make door-to-door preaching optional.

Then watch and see how many JWs actually continue doing it.
 
james_woods
james_woods 3 years ago

How is this woman still allowed to go door to door, yet she's had well publicized birthday parties and Christmas celebrations? That's like some pioneer inviting the congregation to their bday and Xmas celebrations, yet they still turn in their hours, I have a feeling the average dub would be in that back room for a private meeting!
Please see my previous comment: It is all about the money. Follow the money. How is the artist formerly known as Prince getting away with what he does? How did Mickey Spillane? The Williams Sisters?
How popular is door-to-door service with the JW rank & file?
That would be easy enough to determine: WT could simply make door-to-door preaching optional.
Then watch and see how many JWs actually continue doing it.
Exactly.
 
james_woods
james_woods 3 years ago

Or, continuing the above thought - go take a really close look at how many JWs are really, truly, doing door to door right now - even when it is required...
I would willingly bet that it is far less than 50% of them.
Back when I was in 35 years ago, I would say that well over half the ELDERS did not actually do it unless the Circuit Overseer was watching.
 
skeeter1
skeeter1 3 years ago

Good for her. She's one step closer to realizing it's a cult.
SKeeter
 
Gopher
Gopher 3 years ago

I also noted how Paris recently celebrated her 15th birthday with her bio mom - we know how the JW's would feel about that.
So if she's upholding her Christian values, they certainly aren't JW values. Again, good for Paris and her brother. It irritated me when JW's crowed how Michael turned these kids over to Katherine, as if he was endorsing the JW religion. (The way the JW elders and the WT Society treated Michael in the 1980's, I really doubt he had much love left for that religion.)
For their sake I'm glad they're coming out from under the clutches of Katherine and the Watchtower Society.
 
wha happened?
wha happened? 3 years ago

I know they did what they could to appease their grandma. The most stable person in the f'd up family. But I'm glad to see that they can see the cult for what it is, and make an adult decision. Something most JW;s are incapable of
 

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by Gopher 3 years ago 49 Replies latest 3 years ago   jw friends
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james_woods
james_woods 3 years ago

The most stable person in the f'd up family.
And it could well be argued that she herself is about as stable as an isolated free neutron. (half life of about 11.5 seconds)
 
wha happened?
wha happened? 3 years ago

I remember the family. At one time several of the Jacksons would show up at the KH. Even Mikey was there once or twice, but he didn't wear a suit, and wouldn't sing. The Mom was pleasent, but definately disconnected from the real world. Insulated by the family wealth, and nutty Jackson genes.
 
ShirleyW
ShirleyW 3 years ago

Hey Wha - i guess the above description of Katherine was after she became effected with all the wealth, I wonder what kinda Dub she was when they were back in Gary, Indiana.
I remember when the J5 played Madison Square Garden in either 70 or '71 when I was in Junior High, some friends went and brought in the program book. Even with all the pages of pictures of the brothers singing and so forth to promote the show, somehow Sis. Jackson made sure it was mentioned in the program book that they were JW's and that she and her oldest daughter (Rebbie) were pioneers.
 
wha happened?
wha happened? 3 years ago

Rebbie, or however it's spelled, seemed sorta normal for me. Her and her husband I think lived out in Thousand Oaks. I lost respect for her when she lined up with the rest of the family, and denied Mikey's sexual thirst for children. What did crack me up though was that Rebbie was on TV, defending her df'd little brother, while she was pionerring, and her husnabd was serving as an elder. NO sanction whatsoever
 
Quarterback
Quarterback 3 years ago

Anthony Morris had announced that he hated going in the door to door ministry, during the Zone visit in Canada, last year. So it really isn't a secret.
I hope that these children find happiness.
 
AnnOMaly
AnnOMaly 3 years ago

Good for her! I'm glad she's also developing a relationship with her mother.
 
flipper
flipper 3 years ago

Awesome, awesome news ! You go Michael's kids !  Break free from mind control and regain your freedom of mind ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
 
Las Malvinas son Argentinas
Las Malvinas son Argentinas 3 years ago

This article only mentioned Prince and Paris. Is Blanket Jackson still going to door-to-door?


A pre-teen boy with long hair hanging half-way down his back going out door-to-door. That would be a sight.
 
happytobefree
happytobefree 3 years ago

It's great how she get to decide....Would it be because her fathers estate is bringing in almost 100 million dollars a year. But I'm glad she has the freedom.
I wish that was an option when I was growing up....I still felt the obligation until I was 26 years old. I hope other JW children will read this and at least think about preparing for freedom when they are adults.
 
trujw
trujw 3 years ago

For micheal Jackson's kids say they don't want to look like weirdos. Did anyone else catch the irony? Lol jdubs are weirder than never land go figure.
 
exwhyzee
exwhyzee 3 years ago

What about the youngest boy ??

Knock Knock...
Good morning, my name is Blanket Jackson and...
SLAM !
 
steve2
steve2 3 years ago

A pre-teen girl's assertiveness is a sight to behold like. I have seen many a barbie-doll torn limb from limb by a mad girl expressing her inner artistic self. There are none so indignant like as those deprived of Facebook time and interminable texting. Parents are hell like - even when they're dead and buried. Grandparents are like the pits, JW-infested or not. Older people stink period, like.
Paris you need to chill out - no Jehovah's witness intends going door to door forever - but that's just the way it turns out when the trumpeted end never comes. As for not forsaking Christian values. Honey, you live in the US of A. Christian values are as common place as plastic bags fluttering down the drain. Even prostitutes preen their Christian values.
 
mP
mP 3 years ago

Wasnt Michael a muslim when he died ?
 
Gopher
Gopher 3 years ago

Jermaine Jackson is a Muslim for sure. It's doubtful that Michael converted.
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/1280-was-michael-jackson-muslim
 
C.O.B.E.Beef
C.O.B.E.Beef 3 years ago




 
steve2
steve2 3 years ago

Paris: (crying and screaming, with arms flailing shamelessly): "I don't want to go door-to-door, Grandma! I'm sick of all this stuff. I've been doing it, like forever and I don't wann to. I wanna text my (worldy) friends. I want... I want.... I want...."
Grandma Jackson (sternly, mustering her fiercest and famed 'concerned' eye-balling stare) : "Look, honey, how can I put this without hurting your feelings. ..... You're such a budding airhead....just like your damn father! Now get those blasted magazines into your bag and come out with me right this very minute. And, child, don't you dare tarry: You know the end is so very, very near!"
 
BizzyBee
BizzyBee 3 years ago

Welcome to the darkside, Paris. Enjoy!
 
Band on the Run
Band on the Run 3 years ago

The Jacksons were never my cup of tea. Nevertheless, I truly wished that this would happen. It is interesting that Paris set boundaries at the same age that I did. I imagine it was not easy.
 
wha happened?
wha happened? 3 years ago

I wonder if Blanket wore a mask in service
 
Tylinbrando
Tylinbrando 3 years ago

99% of 15 year old JWs would love to have the choice of saying, "No more door to door"
 

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this article made my day.
it looks like paris jackson and her brother prince michael have told katherine they simply aren't interested in peddling jw stuff from door-to-door any more.
i'm glad they are becoming their own people and emerging from their grandmother's control.. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/paris-jackson-prince-michael-jackson-jehovas-witness/.



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Theocratic Sedition
Theocratic Sedition 3 years ago

I wonder if Blanket wore a mask in service

lol
 
whathappened
whathappened 3 years ago

Good for you, Paris. Join us on JWN.
 
darth frosty
darth frosty 3 years ago

Theocratic sedition:
At age 15 had I told my folks that there would be no more field service for me, I would have been homeless.

Being worth a gajillion $$$ makes room for such behavior!
 
Mum
Mum 3 years ago

If you had zillions of dollars to donate to the Watchtower in lieu of going out in service, wouldn't you do it? I always believed the stuff celebrity JW's could do that the rest of us couldn't had to be because of what they had to offer in cash and free publicity for the WT. However, I never heard of anyone being converted to JW because of any of those celebs. Who knows?
Good for Paris and Prince. It's a little scary, though, to think of people their age having so much power. At that age, kids usually need to be reined in a lot.
 
wasblind
wasblind 3 years ago



 I hope Paris celebrate each and every holiday her grandma celebrates
.
 
wasblind
wasblind 3 years ago



 I hope Paris celebrate each and every holiday her grandma celebrates
.
 
Refriedtruth
Refriedtruth 3 years ago

Video - Paris Jackson " HATES the practice of door to door"
http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2351034834001&odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cfeatured
Paris Jackson Defies Grandmother, Refuses to Preach Door-to-Door 9NEWS.com - She reportedly is defying her grandmother, Katherine, and refusing to preach door-to-door as is common in their Jehovah's Witness f Katherine Jackson ...
 
Joliette
Joliette 3 years ago

Its good that she is standing up for herself. I wish I had did the same when I was her age.
I'm telling you guys these new generation of kids coming up arent gonna take the watchtower's crap!
 
Quarterback
Quarterback 3 years ago

Good point, Joliete.
Maybe we will have to wait this this new generation to become adults, to show some attitude to the GB.
 
Gayle
Gayle 3 years ago

I am sure the grandma gives lots of money to JWs. At least I hope Paris will learn 'more,' "the truth about the truth," and not give money to the WTS.
 

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this article made my day.
it looks like paris jackson and her brother prince michael have told katherine they simply aren't interested in peddling jw stuff from door-to-door any more.
i'm glad they are becoming their own people and emerging from their grandmother's control.. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/05/paris-jackson-prince-michael-jackson-jehovas-witness/.



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Confuzzled 6 years ago

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I thought y'all might find it interesting, or disgusting.

Pop Tarts
Source: Michael Jackson's Formerly Reclusive Children Now Spreading Religious Message Door-to-Door
By Hollie McKay
Published June 23, 2010
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Paris, Blanket and Prince Jackson (l to r)
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At this time last year, two days before the tragic death of Michael Jackson, his children Prince,13, Paris, 12, and Blanket, 8, would have been barely recognizable to even the most devoted Jackson fan. The King of Pop went to inordinate measures to shield his kids from the harsh spotlight that he grew to loathe – hiding their faces with an array of odd masks and hoodies during their rare public appearances.
While a couple of sneaky pap snaps revealing Prince and Paris’ faces were able to slip through the cracks over the years, we never actually saw Blanket (who was infamously dangled over a fourth-floor balcony in Germany by his dad in 2002) uncovered until Jackson’s memorial last July.
Now fast forward to 2010, almost one year since MJ’s death: Not only are the Jackson children able to step outside sans the masks, apparently they’re even able to knock on the doors of strangers' homes.
According to a Jackson insider, the kids (under the guidance of their grandmother and legal guardian, Katherine Jackson) have been doing the standard field service as part of their involvement with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, encouraging others to convert.
SLIDESHOW: Michael Jackson's Kids Step in to the Spotlight

“Growing up, Michael did it, too. It’s an important part of their faith,” said our source. “Nobody even seems to know it is them.”
Longtime Jackson family friend and biographer, Stacy Brown, also told us that he “wouldn’t be surprised” at all to learn the Jackson youngsters were undertaking field service, despite their star-studded status.
“I am sure it is something Katherine would encourage,” Brown said. “Becoming a Jehovah’s Witness was something she wanted for all her kids.”
A representative for Katherine did not respond for comment.
On the subject of exposure, this week Katherine Jackson reportedly revealed that the three kids (who have been home-schooled) will be attending a private school in Los Angeles at the conclusion of the summer break.
SLIDESHOW: Scenes From the Life and Death of Michael Jackson
But is it all too much, too soon?
“It is definitely a huge step, but it is great for them to be socialized like this,” Hollywood image consultant Michael Sands, who has worked with members of the Jackson family in the past, told Pop Tarts. “The President’s kids go to school, so do Royals like Prince Harry and Prince William. I am sure the school and Jackson estate will work together to take the necessary safety precautions.”
However, being around other children on a daily basis, as well as having been privy to the forms of social communication like the Internet over the past year (Blanket and Paris proved this last month when they made their home video YouTube debuts) means that the kids will likely learn several of the negative parts of their father’s disturbing past.
“I believe that Michael did a very good job of slowly enlightening them to these things, and teaching them that this was the way of the world, and preparing them so it shouldn’t be too much of a shock,” Brown said. “He didn’t shield them from what was out there.”
Moreover, MJ’s mom isn’t the only grandparent playing a prominent role in the lives of the Jackson three. We’re also told that Joe Jackson spends a great deal of time with his grandchildren, and has developed a strong, “normal” grandfather-to-grandchild bond with Prince, Paris and Blanket.
Surprisingly, despite the disdain Michael felt for his estranged father and former manager, who he claimed was both physically and emotionally abusive, Brown doesn’t believe the late King of Pop would be bothered by his beloved children spending time with the man who caused him so much grief.
“I don't think he (Michael) would have much of a problem with it. Prior to Michael's unfortunate death, he was again including Joseph in some of his business affairs. It seemed that Michael-- more and more-- began to seek Joseph's support/backing,” Brown said. “I think Michael had grown extremely insecure and feared for his safety, so he called upon Joseph for help.”
And even in the year since his death, Jackson cannot escape the family friction, finger-pointing, legal woes and financial issues that plagued him for a good part of his 50 years. But while these things are still very much alive, it seems, for the most part, people have let go of their negative perceptions toward the troubled star.
“Before Michael died you couldn’t go a week without him being referred to as ‘Wacko Jacko’ or a child molester in the media,” Brown said. “But you won’t see or hear of him being referred to as that anymore. It’s been a 360-degree turnaround. He’s become a huge hero. “
 
snowbird
snowbird 6 years ago

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/current/195194/1/Michael-Jacksons-children-going-in-field-service
Syl
 
dgp
dgp 6 years ago

Poor kids.
We can't know whether the parents mentally abused Michael to the degree it is claimed he was. But I am afraid that these kids' lives will be made miserable. They are their father's kids, rich and helpless. I am afraid they won't get much respect from anyone.
 
Black Sheep
Black Sheep 6 years ago

I didn't expect much better.
Their Dad was brought up in a world of killer gods and demons the same as many of us here.
Most of the family are not door knocking Dubbies, but that is no indicator of the amount of damage that has been done to them via the cult. We have already had a thread on that subject today.
All you can do is prepare yourself for the day when they, or someone like them, knocks on your door.

Chris
 
Confuzzled
Confuzzled 6 years ago

LOL hey admit it, if Blanket Jackson showed up at your door you'd be inclined to listen LOL! Seriously, it's disturbing on so many levels, the kids go from being completely isolated and pampered, to well, literally knocking on strangers doors who will be rude to them or worse. It's one thing to ease them into a private school with other uber rich kids of politicians, and prehaps royalty living abroad in the US, but thats crazy. I didn't mean to repeat the discussion, I just happened to read it today, but it is old news, I see.
 
Witness 007
Witness 007 6 years ago

Imagine: "Can I leave this tract with you about "Is the bible really God's word?" {Householder} "No thanks sweety." {Kid} "Okay, What about this signed copy of Thriller?" {Householder} "HELL YES KID......HERE"S A $10 DOLLAR DONATION!!"
 
Confuzzled
Confuzzled 6 years ago

I wonder if Katherine Jackson is getting instructions from NYC to parade them around like that.
 
WTWizard
WTWizard 6 years ago



I hope those children remember the time when they had Saturday mornings to do something worthwhile (like playing, watching cartoons, sleeping in, etc.) and realize that this religion is for the birds. From my personal experience, you are excited about it as novelty for about 3 months, and then it gets old after a while. You realize it's all the same old, you are not having any fun, and it's a drudgery to stay out even the normal amount of time. Then, they are expected to spend an extra 2 hours a day during each waste of paper distribution campaign.
If they were to come to my door, I would simply ask them to prove, using just the Bible, that Jesus "evidently" meant "the group of people whose lives intersect with those who saw the beginning" as his "This generation would by no means pass away". When they could not produce the evidence, I would point out that their religion is every bit as confusing as "Babylon the Great" and its trinity doctrine which at least has been relatively stable since its inception. Especially if they were together and their grandmother was not around--let them see that they are in a scam. And I would show them Silentlambs and any other sites proving that the religion harbors pedophiles and silences the victims.
 
jamiebowers
jamiebowers 6 years ago

The headline that was out before this one was about those kids celebrating a birthday. Makes me wonder what's really going on.
 
steve2
steve2 6 years ago

Apparently there have been sightings of Wackos kids door-knocking in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK - all at virtually the same time. Boy can those kids move. Wackos even been spotted selling Watchtowers at train stations in Iran and Pakistan. it caused a stampede in Islamabad but, hey, placements that day were in the tens of thousands. At one point, Awake was outselling Thriller - what a comedown for the King. But he has toughed it, placing a coupon for Thriller in every copy of Awake.
Geography and death are mere minor details - when you've got to spread the good news of Michael's kingdom, nothing - not even reality - gets in the way.
Keep on knocking kids. I hope I'm home by the time you get to my street.
 
rabidewok
rabidewok 6 years ago

Not with theat long hair he's not.
 

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by koolaid-man 7 years ago 15 Replies latest 4 years ago   jw friends
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koolaid-man 7 years ago

The news media seems to be reluctant in bringing up the fact of Michael Jackson's involvement with Jehovah's Witnesses. The public deserves to know the adverse influence the Witness belief system imposes on people. The Watchtower Organization seemed to instill much fear into Michael Jackson as you can read in the following e-mail being sent to news agencies. It would be good if members of this board could write e-mails as well to all local as well as national newspapers and television stations to let everyone know the Michael Jackson Witness connection. Feel free to forward the copy of the e-mail below to anyone who can "take this story and run with it". Subject ...Who really killed Michael Jackson?
 
The loss of Michael Jackson is a tragedy and the world justifiably mourns as they have lost their pop icon. Michael Jackson made such a huge impact in the world of music. As the news leaks out on the life of Michael, it exposes a darker side, a mysterious and eccentric man. At times, Michael acted very odd, displaying unconventional behaviour. Michael Jackson's problems and difficulties have been traced back to his childhood. What should be considered and has been totally avoided is Jackson's connections with Jehovah's Witnesses . Michael, for many years, along with other family members were involved with this very esoteric, secretive organization. It would be easy to establish that so many of Michael's behavorial problems can be linked to the Watchtower Organization , otherwise known as Jehovah's Witnesses. This Organization prohibits so many normal activities of life, which indeed does create mental anguish and stress, especially for children. Jehovah's Witnesses cannot celebrate birthdays,Christmas,Thanksgiving, fourth of July, Mother's Day , and so many other normal activities which can be wholesome and encouraging , especially to children. Young Michael,growing up in this cultic environment,no doubt had adverse affects in Michael's life.This authoritarian, restricting Organization was not happy or proud of Michael's making of the video "Thriller". They made Michael feel guilty and obviously put undue stress on him, suggessting the video promoted spiritism. Proof of this is easy to document. The film begins with the disclaimer:"Do to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult.-Michael Jackson". The Watchtower publication Awake May 22,1984 page 19 states "nevertheless, it was so realistic that some who saw it admitted they were horrified at first. What was this short film intended to convey? How does the performer, Michael Jackson feel about it looking back?" The article continues, "I would never do it again!"says Jackson. "I just intended to do a good, fun short film, not to purposely bring to the screen something to scare people or to do anything bad. I want to do what's right. I would never do anything like that again."Why not? "Because a lot of people were offended by it, " explains Jackson. "That makes me feel bad. I don't want them to feel that way.I realize now that it wasn't a good idea.I'll never do a video like that again!" More should be said connecting Michael's problems to the Watchtower Organization. His mother,Katherine, is to my knowledge still an active Jehovah's Witness and according to Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine she was not supposed to be even speaking with her own son, as he was no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. One can only imagine the strain this Organization put on the Jackson family. As a former Jehovah's Witness, I'm very aware of the guilt and fear the Watchtower Organization instills in the minds of their members. I have a website that documents all the Watchtower is hiding behind. www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com Examine this site, especially screens 4 and 5 to substantiate what I have said.Feel free to contact me sixscreens06@yaoo.com Thanks Rick Fearon, Massachusetts 
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The Almighty Homer
The Almighty Homer 7 years ago

Have you not read the forum rules on spamming Rick perhaps you should.
The connection he had with the JWS is just a small part of his total life story, the oppression he experienced while a JW child
contributed to somewhat to his behavior as a young adult, thats a valid assumption, buts its certainly not the whole
story to be sure.
 
HappyDad
HappyDad 7 years ago

Get over it already! He WAS a JW at one time in his life. Like him......everyone who can should just disconnect from their past and start enjoying life.
Some can't because of family. I understand that! For those who can.....JUST get a life without thinking you have been chosen to expose everything about the JW's.
You can't even make a nick in the JW infrastructure. There's more happiness in having a good life without everyday of YOUR life trying to expose what you think might be a tidbit of scandal or discretion.
Get happy dude!
HappyDad
 
jamiebowers
jamiebowers 7 years ago

I don't think this email is out of line at all. It gracefully says what many exjws, including myself, have been thinking.
 
shopaholic
shopaholic 7 years ago

I don't think this email is out of line at all.  I agree.
 
jws
jws 7 years ago

I think it's a bit ridiculous. Maybe being a JW left a few scars. It has on most ex-JWs. But are we a bunch of psycho freaks because of it? The kid grew up performing all over. I remember one documentary a few years back that said they'd perform at strip clubs. A 6-year-old boy in the environment of a strip club, getting ready in back where the strippers are all changing? The types of people he met were other performers, roadies, people who worked in nightclubs, bar owners, bartenders, waitresses, promoters, etc. I've worked in those environments. Some of those people don't have the best values. At least not the kind a little kid should be seeing. And he had an abusive father. It's not exclusive to JWs to have abusive fathers. Not to mention fame and what that does to a person. I'll bet MJ didn't remember a time when he wasn't famous to some degree.
Sure he may have missed birthdays, Christmas, etc. But c'mon, the congregation was looking the other way. In 1970 the Jackson 5 put out a Christmas album.
All you have to do is look at a multitude of ex-childhood stars and see how screwed up they are. Then look at all of the ex-JWs and see how screwed up they are. I think most ex-JWs may be a bit bitter, maybe sometimes a bit dysfunctional, but overall can blend with the rest of the world and aren't much more scarred than your average non-JW and things they had to deal with. I'd venture to say the biggest thing screwing up Michael Jackson was his fame and musical career, not the JWs.
I get the feeling the congregation loved having celebrities in their midst and nobody pushed them too hard to obey the rules. Look at things like the Christmas album. Even MJ's "Off the Wall" album in 1979. Look at the lyrics to some of those songs. Could you imagine your elders being OK with those? But they obviously let him get away with it. I don't know all of the songs, but "Don't Stop til you get enough" was very disco at a time when the JWs were publishing articles about the dangers of those beats leading to fornication. Thriller came out in 1982. I'm not saying anything was shocking. But if you're a devout JW, you're probably not going to be singing some of those songs. But it wasn't until he came out with the Thriller video two years later that he ran into trouble with the JWs. And I'll bet it wasn't the local congregation either. I'm sure either Brooklyn or some DO didn't like MJ's career to that point and decided that was the final straw.
I've known JWs that are very straight laced. Listen to only "wholesome" things, etc. I've known other JWs that are more like I used to view a lot of worldly churchgoers. Came regularly to meetings, but were indistinguishable from anybody else outside of the hall. They believed it all. But they didn't seem to get that the rules say you shouldn't live that way and nobody at the hall seemed to mind. I think MJ and his family were more like that.
I don't really think anybody gave him a hard time so I don't see how his being messed up relates to being a JW.
Assuming you're buying into the whole "he didn't have a childhood and lives like a child to make up for it", then maybe missing birthdays, holidays, and normal kid things might be a contributing factor towards the whole picture of things he missed out on because he was a performer. Personally I think the reliving his childhood thing was a lure to get kids over. I didn't have birthdays or holidays either, but I don't overcompensate now.
 
The Almighty Homer
The Almighty Homer 7 years ago

Come on people you don't all of his personal problems are directly related to the JWS and his particular history with them ?
This is just an opportunistic shot at him for being involved with the JWS and Rick Feron is just using it in a exploitive way
to spam his web site.
Are you happy now Rick ?
 
shamus100
shamus100 7 years ago

I have to agree here -
That entire paragraph makes me think it's a bit nutty to say the least.
If you want to see people with real problems, go to a third-world country. This is absolutely nothing!
 
cantleave
cantleave 7 years ago

MJ's level of involvement with the Witnesses was minimal at best. He was due to the ambitions of his abusive father, performing on stage and screen rather being a full time witness. I doubt very much whether his behaviour had anything to do with his mother being a Witness. Let's not forget that he was a genius and there is always a fine line between genius and crackpot!!!!!!!!
 
DT
DT 7 years ago

I think the email brings up some good questions and valid points. I hope the traditional media pays more attention to this.
I know you and your site get a lot of criticism. I personally found your site to be very useful in my deconversion. Others don't like it and that's fine. It gives the impression of a classic "apostate site" as many Witnesses imagine it. It may turn some people off, but these same people might then be less cautious of other critical sites that seem more innocent and less like the stereotype they have in mind.
 
Black Sheep
Black Sheep 7 years ago

If you want to be taken seriously, stick to stuff that is sensible and can not be disputed.
....and....
I just clicked on your link and found a front page for your website that would scare the shit out of a Jehovah's Witness.
You don't do us Apostates any favours with crap like that. Reniaa must love you.
 
carla
carla 7 years ago

I really don't see why all of you are so offended by the above letter. MJ has said in interviews that he did not have a normal childhood and being a jw was part of the abnormal upbringing. Granted, there are numerous other things that can be attributed to his strangeness but the jw indoctrination and lack of holidays is something he had brought up himself as missing as well as most of you here have brought up. Many here continue to have problems and even call themselves 'social retards' (words used here on this board by ex jw's, not my phrase) and have difficutly 'fitting in'.
MJ's mother has never had to tow the line like so many jw parents. How many here are being shunned right now by your parents? How many here are still going to meetings just so you can keep your family? I'm sure if you were as famous (or had a child like MJ) as MJ and had that kind of money you too would be able to do as you pleased AND keep your family.
Yes, some here have been able to move on with little emotional baggage and are successful in all areas of their life, others struggle through everyday. Individual strengths are just that, individual. Why do some who come from drug/poverty/abusive homes go on to lives of crime and others go on to success and wish to never subject their children to what they lived through? Why do people come to America from 3rd world countries with no freedoms and know true poverty go onto become Doctors or other careers that help their fellow man while home grown American's who have all the freedoms do nothing for themselves? We are all individuals and one can be exposed to horrors and go on and others are forever affected by the horrors and cannot 'get it together', 'pick themselves up their bootstraps', or 'have the stiff upper lip'. One becomes something and the other who suffered something similar falls apart. I'm not suggesting being a jw was MJ's entire problems in life but it certainly contributed to it.
Many here seem to have had very lax jw parents, some had very strict and downright insane parents. Either way, the jw lifestyle is not normal for anyone and is emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and at times physically & sexually abusive. Abnormal things I have seen on ex jw boards- mother's checking their daughters used female hygiene products to make sure they were not pregnant, a father smashing his sons knees with a bat so he could not use a sports scholarship he secretly got by secretly playing a highschool sport, parents stealing their childrens money, parents allowing their children to die for mere men, parents who allowed the elders to sweep rape under the carpet and allow the perpetrator continue to child rape, destroying used toys due to 'demons' being in them, telling their children the rest of their schoolmates & non jw family will be dead at the Big A and are worthy of it, etc..etc...etc.... this is not normal, this life jw children live, it is abusive.
As for ex jw sites you find 'creepy','scary' or 'corny' for jw's, you must remember not all ex jw boards & sites are only for current jw's. They help those who have loved ones who are just now thinking of joining, they help relatives understand why a loved one has joined a wacky cult and what is wacky about it. The owner of Six Screens is a product of the jw's just like many of you here. If you dislike his site then don't go there, simple. If you think it does damage to the ex jw cause then make a better site and find a way to direct people to it.
 
cameo-d
cameo-d 7 years ago

More blame the WT stuff. Some blame those who pushed him.
In defense of that, what parent does not want their children to live up to their full potential? I imagine Michael was much to busy with his rigid schedule to pay the WT much mind.
He obviously had some personal demons as Mindmelda so eloquently and knowledgably expressed on another thread. In spite of all the negative things that may have influenced his life, Michael persevered to try and do something worthwhile with his time on this earth. He brought joy to a great many people. I believe he was a compassionate, tender soul.
I think blaming the WT for whatever idiosyncracies Michael had is erroneous. If it were true, it would stand to reason that all JWs and ex-JWs are suffering from some sort of dementia.
Worse yet, this could play right into the WT hands by saying "See? He left Jehovah and was turned over to a reprobate mind. And that is what will happen to you, too, if you dare leave!"
I think blaming WT is in poor taste and misdirected, much the same as I see people venting hatred toward Michael as a scapegoat for all child molesters. I also think it is very wrong to judge and convict someone based on tabloid rumors. And I think it is a deceitful error to try to blame WT for Michael's personal problems. I don't think Michael got in nearly as deep as most JWs do.
 
WTWizard
WTWizard 7 years ago

What needs to happen is that the media acknowledge that the witlesses did traumatize Michael Jackson, as well as everyone else that is born into that cancer. Some grow up to be pedophiles (often, remaining in the congregation). Some go balistic and attack the witlesses. Some will do little more than expose the doctrines that the religion puts out, in an effort to prevent them from growing as quickly as they hoped to. Some repress it all, and die of cancer or heart attacks (many of them even remaining "faithful").
To compound the matter, Michael Jackson was also a superstar. This gave him the means to try and capture his childhood again, the childhood he never had. Most witlesses and ex-witlesses do not have that means. It also gave him the means to do a video that the witlesses did not like, so they made him feel bad about having done it (even though Jackson is an adult at that time, they are still treating him like a child by reproving him for doing his job).
To the extent that anyone tries to minimize the religion's involvement, they are allowing themselves (and, in the case of the media, whose job is to report things honestly, the world) to think nothing is wrong with that religion above and beyond that which is wrong with all Christian religions. If it's the government that is deluded, it is even more of a panic situation since they are turning a blind eye to a major problem religion, and that religion is as capable of plunging the world into the Second Dark Ages as the Catholic church was at plunging the world into the First Dark Ages. Turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the danger that religion poses to society is certainly not a good idea, any more than it was for the Romans to ignore the danger of the Catholic church around 380 AD.
 
Kingdom Hall No More
Kingdom Hall No More 7 years ago

Everyone that has posted a comment on here has made a valid point....including Rick Fearon.
It is very difficult to grow up in a organization such as the Jehovah Witnesses and come out to live and think 100% normal !
Michael Jackson had to attend the kingdom hall ...it wasnt a choice matter....just like he had to attend the kingdom hall, he had to perform as well...whether it was at packed arenas or strip clubs...he had to do his job...and he wasnt baptized...while on the other hand, the superstar R&B singer PRINCE performs and goes to strip clubs and he is baptized...BUT THE WATCHTOWER TRACT SOCIETY DONT SAY NOTHING TO HIM and so he gets a pass !
All ex JW's know...including myself know that we had no choice in attending the kingdom hall and our parents would have paid Jehovah God himself for us to get us baptized...some were forced and pressured by our families and parents into becoming Jehovah Witnesses...my own mother made me sign a contract that in order to receive my guardianship money at 18 years old...that I had to be in good standing with her and Jehovah !
yes...I made it and moved on ( I'm disfellowshipped and I dont care ) but it took damn near 16 loooooooooong years to finally get it together and move on and it also took for me to get far away from my mother as well.
I'm not even close to the success level as Michael Jackson, but I can personally understand on how his upbringing played a role on the adult life of Michael Jackson....a very tragic and sad man that was gifted and blessed.
Just like myself, he wanted to be the best in his craft ....a talent and a gift that God himself gave him ...and he was shot down by the organization and looked down upon just as I was when I was pursuing music...this is same organization that claims that "they are no parts of this world" but becomes a non-governmental member of the United Nations some years later after "disassociating" Michael Jackson for doing the video "THRILLER"...in which was made for entertainment only and did not go against any bible scriptures.
We are all like Michael Jackson in one way or another but at the end of the day...its all about having a personal relationship with God that matters ...not one with the Watchtower and Tract Society ...

Daniel Chamberlayne
Author- The Kingdom Hall No More

...without a choice in the matter for so many years and think that one day when you wake up
 
shamus100
shamus100 4 years ago

Shocking!!! :O
 

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by truthseeker 7 years ago 3 Replies latest 7 years ago   jw friends
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truthseeker 7 years ago

Weird...I wonder how this will work out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196119/Michael-Jacksons-funeral-bigger-Elviss-Princess-Dianas-million-mourners-pour-LA.html
Michael Jackson's funeral could be bigger than Elvis's and Princess Diana's, as up to a million mourners pour into LA
By David Gardner
Last updated at 11:35 PM on 28th June 2009
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Up to a million mourners from around the world are expected to flock to Los Angeles for Jackson’s funeral.
The memorial service could prove even bigger than that of Elvis Presley or Princess Diana. The Jackson family was said to be considering a private burial followed by a public remembrance ceremony to be televised live to a global audience later this week.
One senior Los Angeles Police chief said: ‘We are preparing for an event of historic proportions. We will be cooperating closely with the family once they have decided where to hold the funeral.’
Mourners
Mourners gather at the Jackson family home to pay their last respects to the King of Pop
Times Square
Fans paid tribute in New York's Times Square
The family met over the weekend to discuss the singer’s wish to be buried at his now dilapidated Neverland ranch.

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The idea is reportedly popular with Jackson’s former manager Dr Tohme Tohme and Colony Capital, the company that holds the mortgage on the sprawling 1,050-hectare estate near Santa Barbara.
Never Land
The singer wished to be buried at his now dilapidated Neverland ranch
The ranch, once Jackson’s retreat from the world, has fallen into disrepair and the singer had not lived there since before his acquittal on child molestation charges in 2005.
His former advisers say turning it into the equivalent of Elvis Presley’s Graceland, with Jackson’s grave at the centre, could be a huge moneyspinner – offsetting Jackson’s multi-million-pound debts.
Princess Diana
The singer's funeral could be an even bigger public spectacle than Princess Diana's
Elvis
In 1977, nearly 80,000 fans lined the streets near Elvis Presley's Graceland Estate for his funeral in Memphis, Tennessee
MJ
The star was raised as a Jehovah's Witness
The main obstacles are the lack of permit for a burial on the private estate and resistance from the local council, which says the two-lane road into Neverland could not cope with a massive influx of traffic.
The alternative is LA’s Forest Lawn Cemetery, where film legends such as Humphrey Bogart, Clark Gable and Jean Harlow are buried.
In 1977, nearly 80,000 fans lined the streets near Elvis Presley’s Graceland Estate for his funeral in Memphis, Tennessee, and Princess Diana’s 1997 memorial service attracted more than a quarter of a million tearful spectators.
A host of celebrities are expected to attend Jackson’s funeral, including Elizabeth Taylor, Paul McCartney, Liza Minnelli, Brooke Shields, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Madonna and his ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley.
Jackson was raised a Jehovah’s Witness and his parents Joe and Katherine are keen to have a funeral in keeping with the faith, which forbids rowdy wakes, alcoholic toasts and practices that suggest ‘something in the person survives death’.
The faith is still followed by most of his famous family, apart from brother Jermaine, who became a Muslim 20 years ago.
Jackson was briefly linked to the Nation of Islam group but never fully embraced the religion. He also flirted briefly with Judaism.
The Rev Al Sharpton, a civil rights activist and a close friend of the family, flew into Los Angeles last night to help the family with their funeral preparations.
He said the family wanted to ensure Jackson’s legacy was honoured at the event.
Jackson’s coffin was under armed guard at a secret Los Angeles location last night after the family ordered a second autopsy.
 
leftbelow
leftbelow 7 years ago

What wittness do you know who would be allowed to have Rev. Al Sharpton (or any other Rev. to be fair) Assist the family and still have a witness funeral?
 
vikesgirl101
vikesgirl101 7 years ago

Really?? I mean really? I am not stating my feelings on MJ, because I have no judgemental feeling on him. I wish he could rest in peace.
BUT...
If he does have a JW funeral, I will be PO'd. Two years ago I took my own life. Pretty much dead. They brought my kids in to say goodbye. By the grace of God I lived. I was told by the JW elders that I would NOT have had a JW funeral. I was a sinner. Okay, so suicide is a sin. But it is a sign of mental illness, no? How would I have been worse than him? I was a practicing JW!!!
 
crapola
crapola 7 years ago

Dear V , I'm so sorry to hear of your bad experience. But happy you survived. The elders that told you that you could'nt have had a Wit. funeral should be ashamed. That is the most un-loving attitude I've ever heard. You needed comfort and support at that time, not criticism. No wonder so many leave.
 

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by PSacramento 6 years ago 2 Replies latest 6 years ago   social entertainment
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December 04, 2009, (Splash News) - Michael Jackson's children are thriving with the aid of martial arts instruction that aims to boost the self-esteem of youngsters and teach them leadership skills.
Blanket Jackson was seen prancing around with the rumored love child of Jackson, Omer Bhatti (pictured). The 25-year-old has been a constant companion to the three since they lost their father in June.
Prince Michael, Blanket and Paris all attend a martial arts academy in Encino, California, where they live with their grandmother, Jackson matriarch Katherine.
La Toya Jackson, recently spoke of how the three are dealing with their grief - each of them in his or her own way. La Toya said Prince Michael I is having the greatest challenge. She said: "Prince just doesn't want to speak about it. I do worry about him very much."
Of Blanket, she said: "He is just a very sad, shy little boy. He cries - he really does cry. It's so painful for him. No one can bring his daddy back and it hurts too much."
Paris, meanwhile, was doing better and had plastered her walls with posters of her father. "She thinks and talks about her father all the time," La Toya said.
 
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PSacramento 6 years ago

http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/61545.aspx
 
PSacramento
PSacramento 6 years ago

Christmas and Martial arts?
Why those pagans !!
LOL !

Nice to see them having as normal a childhood as they can.
 

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Broken Promises 4 years ago

It was just braodcast on the news that Katherine Jackson has been reported missing.
She has not been seen for over a week and some family members are "concerned for her safety".
Apparently the family is divided due to arguing over money (surprise surprise)!

Has anyone else heard this?
 
smiddy
smiddy 4 years ago

I just googled a couple of papers in the USA and their is nothing to report.What broadcast did you hear this from BP ?
smiddy
 
Broken Promises
Broken Promises 4 years ago

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/22/showbiz/michael-jackson-mom-missing-person/index.html
I'm having trouble pasting the text but it's all there.
 
smiddy
smiddy 4 years ago

Ok opened the link ,just sounds like family squabbles to me ,no real drama
smiddy
 
glenster
glenster 4 years ago

Katherine Jackson Home Site of 'Scuffle' Between Family Membershttp://gma.yahoo.com/katherine-jackson-home-scuffle-between-family-members-074234960--abc-news-celebrities.html
 
glenster
glenster 4 years ago

Katherine Jackson back home after judge removed her as guardian of Michael's childrenhttp://news-briefs.ew.com/2012/07/26/katherine-jackson-back-home/
 
glenster
glenster 4 years ago

Katherine Jackson back home after judge removed her as guardian of Michael's childrenhttp://news-briefs.ew.com/2012/07/26/katherine-jackson-back-home/
 

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List of famous Jehovah's Witnesses
A range of participation is represented by these individuals, from full activity to disaffiliation.
◦Ken Richmond - The man who banged the gong in the Rank Organisation film logo from 1955 onward. LOL!
◦Peter Knowles - Famous soccer player in England who quit his football carrer in 1970 aged 24 to join the Jehovah's Witnesses.
◦Hank Marvin - Lead guitarist for The Shadows
◦Viv Nicholson - Major pools winner
◦Maher Shalal Hash Baz - Japanese musician, name comes from the Book of Isaiah
◦George Benson - Jazz guitarist
◦Maurizio Bianchi - Musician
◦Ivana Brkic - Croatian Musician
◦Valerie Campbell - Mother of Naomi Campbell
◦Tom Edur - Former NHL ice hockey player.
◦Leopold Engleitner - Buchenwald concentration camp survivor and centenarian.
◦Larry Graham - Sly & the Family Stone
◦Teresa Graves - Reputedly the first black woman to play the lead in a police movie, also a singer.
◦Gary Gygax - Co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons.
◦Katherine Jackson - Michael Jackson's mother.
◦Rebbie Jackson - Singer, daughter of Katherine Jackson.
◦Scott Johnson - actor
◦Margaret Keane - Artist who said converting "changed her life."[1]
◦Brian Locking - Bass guitarist with The Shadows for eighteen months, but left to Jehovah's Witnesses activities.
◦Bohumil Müller - Czech survivor of the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and underground religious leader under Communism.
◦Evelyn Ntoko (first wife of Nelson Mandela)
◦Selena Quintanilla Pérez - Tejano Singer
◦Prince - Musician
◦Joshua Elliot Rodrigues - English Student, name comes from the Book of Joshua (N.B - This addition looks to be a spoof entry.)
◦Mickey Spillane - Novelist
◦Damo Suzuki (Converted in the 1970s, current membership status uncertain)
◦Bobby Tambling - English footballer
◦Phil Terry - member of the 60's R&B group The Intruders.
◦David Thomas - Avant-garde rocker, "Jehovah's Kingdom come"[2][3]
◦Jean Terrell - Replaced Diana Ross in the Supremes in 1970.
◦Reena Virk - Canadian child murder victim
◦Lark Voorhies - actress, Saved By The Bell
◦Venus Williams - Tennis
◦Serena Williams - Tennis
◦Lou Whitaker - Former MLB baseball player for the Detroit Tigers.
◦Ida E. Eisenhower (Mother of President Eisenhower)
[ edit ]
List of Former Jehovah's Witnesses
◦Gregg Alexander- The New Radicals' lead singer; Raised by mother
◦Peter Andre - Singer raised in Australia, presently living in London with wife pin up model Jordan
◦Naomi Campbell- Supermodel; Raised by mother
◦Dwight David Eisenhower who became the 34th President of the United States (1953–1961)
◦Raymond Franz
◦Geri Halliwell - Singer (Spice Girls); Raised as a Jehovah's Witness
◦Anthony Henderson - Famous quick tongued rap artist from legendary group Bone Thugs-N-Harmony a.k.a "Krayzie Bone", Sawed-Off Gangsta, or Leathaface
◦Barbara Grizzuti Harrison - American writer of Visions of Glory: A History and a Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses (converted to Catholicism)
◦Michael Jackson - Michael was raised a Jehovah's Witness but disassociated shortly after his hit album, Thriller
◦Olin R. Moyle
◦Dave Mustaine - Guitarist (ex-Metallica; Megadeth; ex- MD .45)
◦Gloria Naylor - Novelist
◦Michelle Rodriguez - actress
◦Leo Volpe
◦Wayans brothers - Actors/Comediens ; Raised Jehovah's Witnesses
◦Jill Scott-Singer; rasied as a Jehovah's Witness

Note: This list was originally drawn from [4] The information was edited by the creator of this list, a former Witness who can attest to each citation herein personally, but is skeptical of other entries on the source site. Further some later edits that followed this note are not using Adherents.com as a source. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses"
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ANY MORE???
 
Warlock
Warlock 10 years ago

I heard that Biggie Smalls mother is a j.w.
Warlock
 
learntoswim
learntoswim 10 years ago

you left out third witness!
only kidding, only kidding.
 
plmkrzy
plmkrzy 10 years ago

I was thinking this isn't a very big list, in fact downright puny.  Out of millions?
 
meems1000
meems1000 10 years ago

That explains why Naomi Campbell is so angry all the time!
 
Matty
Matty 10 years ago



Tom from Kent's Board added the first few to the list as a result of a similar thread over there:
List of famous Jehovah's Witnesses

 
Outaservice
Outaservice 10 years ago

Kid Gavilin of Cuba, Welter weight champion of the world in the 1950's. The Society wanted him to write his life story for the AWAKE magazine but he was too 'punch drunk' to do so. You can 'Google' his life story.
Outaservice
 
freetosee
freetosee 10 years ago

The Publisher Formerly Known As Symbol

 
Dismembered
Dismembered 10 years ago

Chuck Winfield Trumpet player in BLOOD SWEAT & TEARS.
 Joined:1968 Left:1972He is teaching jazz at the University of Maine at Augusta where he founded the jazz program.
He's also an "elder" in the Augusta ME congregation.
Dismembered
 
free2beme
free2beme 10 years ago

If the Wayan brothers are Witnesses, then where is the elder committee to talk to them about "In living color"
 
morty
morty 10 years ago

not sure how ture it is but, I recall something about Cat Stevens being/turning jw....anyone else heard of this rumor?
 
Fatfreek
Fatfreek 10 years ago

Mark McCumber, pro tour golfer.
Ozzie and Harriet? I'd heard that for years but just checked it out. Instead, a site from one of Ricky Nelson's former musicians (Fang Volker? who is a witness) shows a string of picture Christmas Cards from the Nelson family. He got fired for not starting the happy birthday tribute to somebody (I think Ricky).
Eve Arden, who starred as Our Miss Brooks on radio and TV. Just a rumor.
Oh -- the William's sisters have been mentioned before on this forum. Consensus was that they've never been baptized.
Fats
 
outoftheorg
outoftheorg 10 years ago

At one time Cat Stevens may have been a jw.
At this time he is an active believer of the Religion Of islam.
I sure liked his recording of The first morning.
Outoftheorg
 
muslima
muslima 10 years ago

Cat Stevens is a Muslim. - known now as Yusuf Islam. He is a leading member of the British Islamic Society.
http://www.yusufislam.org.uk/yi2/index.html
 
SirNose586
SirNose586 10 years ago

not sure how ture it is but, I recall something about Cat Stevens being/turning jw....anyone else heard of this rumor?
Huh? What, did the Moslems kick him out? His wiki makes no mention of it.
 
free2beme
free2beme 10 years ago

Cat Stevens is 100% Muslim
 
AudeSapere
AudeSapere 10 years ago

fatfreek wrote: a site from one of Ricky Nelson's former musicians (Fang Volker? who is a witness) . . . He got fired for not starting the happy birthday tribute to somebody (I think Ricky).




 I was going to post that Phil Volk is/was a witness (he attended my parents congregation). Phil was a member of the 70's group 'Paul Revere and the Raiders'. In the group, his nickname was "Fang".
I didn't know he was connected to the famous Nelson Family.
-Aude.
 
plmkrzy
plmkrzy 10 years ago

Teresa Graves - Reputedly the first black woman to play the lead in a police movie, also a singer.
Does anyone else remember when she went on TV (60 min, 20/20 or something) back in the 70's with a couple of elders representing JWs? She acted like some sort of spokes-woman. I remember a lot of folks were very upset about it because she was only JUST baptized and already on National TV speaking for all JWs.

I heard rumors that Van Morrison was raised a JW
 
Dagney
Dagney 10 years ago

Ronnie Laws - Jazz musician/brother of Herbert Laws (don't know current status)
Wayne Henderson - Jazz Crusaders (elder still probably)
Wilton Felder - Jazz Crusaders still an elder
Phil Volk is still a JW - can be found usually performing in an oldies review of Paul Revere and the Raiders in Las Vegas.
 
JohnnyMarr
JohnnyMarr 10 years ago

Porn Starlet - Ryan Conner (ex) Chelsea - from last seasons making the band on MTV (raised a witness ..... not sure about current status) The voice for the original Smokie the bear "Only you can prevent Forest Fires" George Benson (Legendary jazz guitarist) Jeffrey Atkins aka Ja Rule (raised a Witness) Joan Crawford (rumored to have been a Witness)
 

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There was a old wman in the cong I grew up in that "said" she studied with Mickey Rooney's mom and she became a jw.
 
serendipity
serendipity 10 years ago

I seem to recall that an Olympic medalist in the 90's was raised as a JW, but I don't remember the name.
 
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The Religious Affiliation of U.S. President
Dwight D. Eisenhower

http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Dwight_Eisenhower.html
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_jw.html
 

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I didn't know of some of these and question the status of others. Many I have never heard of.
List of famous Jehovah's Witnesses
A range of participation is represented by these individuals, from full activity to disaffiliation.
◦George Benson - Jazz guitarist
◦Maurizio Bianchi - Musician
◦Cheryl Bradley - Executive Housekeeper
◦Ivana Brkic - Croatian Musician
◦Richard Cameron- Dutch Musician
◦Valerie Campbell - Mother of Naomi Campbell
◦Tom Edur - Former NHLice hockey player.
◦Ida E. Eisenhower (Mother of President Eisenhower)
◦Leopold Engleitner - Buchenwald concentration camp survivor and centenarian.
◦Larry Graham - Sly & the Family Stone
◦Danny Granger - Indiana Pacers small forward
◦Teresa Graves - Reputedly the first black woman to play the lead in a police movie, also a singer.
◦Gary Gygax - Co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons.
◦Katherine Jackson - Michael Jackson's mother.
◦Rebbie Jackson - Singer, daughter of Katherine Jackson.
◦Scott Johnson - Actor
◦Phillip Landry - Musican
◦Maher Shalal Hash Baz - Japanese musician, name comes from the Book of Isaiah
◦Margaret Keane - Artist who said converting "changed her life."[1]
◦Peter Knowles - Famous soccer player in England who quit his football career in 1970 aged 24 to join the Jehovah's Witnesses.
◦Brian Locking - Bass guitarist with The Shadows for eighteen months, but left to Jehovah's Witnesses activities.
◦Hank Marvin - Lead guitarist for The Shadows
◦Bohumil Müller - Czech survivor of the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp and underground religious leader under Communism.
◦Viv Nicholson - Major pools winner
◦Evelyn Ntoko (first wife of Nelson Mandela
◦Prince - Musician
◦Ken Richmond - The man who banged the gong in the Rank Organisation film logo from 1955 onward.
◦Miu Sakamoto - Japanese Singer, a Daughter of Ryuichi Sakamoto and Akiko Yano
◦Damo Suzuki (Converted in the 1970s, current membership status uncertain)
◦Bobby Tambling - Englishfootballer
◦Phil Terry - member of the 60's R&B group The Intruders.
◦David Thomas - Avant-garde rocker, "Jehovah's Kingdom come"[2][3]
◦Jean Terrell - Replaced Diana Ross in the Supremes in 1970.
◦Akira Toriyama - Japanese Mangaka(Cartoonist), Author of Dragon Ball(Manga)
◦Yoshito Usui - Japanese Mangaka, Author of Crayon Shin-chan
◦Reena Virk - Canadian child murder victim
◦Lark Voorhies - actress, Saved By The Bell
◦Lou Whitaker - Former MLB baseball player for the Detroit Tigers.
◦Serena Williams - tennis player ; 8 Grand Slam champion
◦Venus Williams - tennis player ; 5 time Grand Slam champion
◦Akiko Yano - Japanese Singer, Former wife of Ryuichi Sakamoto
◦Solveig Romero - Mexico and Switzerland, Actress and wife of Martin Campbell, the director of James Bond Casino Royale
◦Chuck Winfield - Former Trumpet player for Blood, Sweat, and Tears.

List of former Jehovah's Witnesses
◦Gregg Alexander - The New Radicals' lead singer; raised by mother
◦Peter Andre - Singer raised in Australia, presently living in London with wife pin up model *Jordan
◦Naomi Campbell- Supermodel; Raised by mother
◦Dwight David Eisenhower who became the 34th President of the United States (1953–1961)
◦Geri Halliwell - Singer (Spice Girls); Raised as a Jehovah's Witness [ verification needed ]
◦Anthony Henderson - Famous quick tongued rap artist from legendary group Bone Thugs-N-Harmony a.k.a "Krayzie Bone", Sawed-Off Gangsta, or Leathaface
◦Barbara Grizzuti Harrison - American writer of Visions of Glory: A History and a Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses (converted to Catholicism)
◦Latoya Jackson
◦Michael Jackson - Michael became a Jehovah's Witness but disassociated himself shortly after his hit album, Thriller
◦Olin R. Moyle
◦Dave Mustaine - Guitarist (ex-Metallica; Megadeth; ex- MD .45)
◦Miki Nakatani - JapaneseActress, Raised as a Jehovah's Witness
◦Gloria Naylor - Novelist
◦Michelle Rodriguez - actress
◦Patti Smith - Singer and poet
◦Mickey Spillane - Novelist
◦Leo Volpe
◦Wayans brothers - Actors/Comediens ; Raised Jehovah's Witnesses
◦Jill Scott-Singer; rasied as a Jehovah's Witness
◦Hinano Yoshikawa - JapaneseFashion model and actress, Raised as a Jehovah's Witness
◦K-os - Canadian R&B artist ; Raised Jehovah's Witness
◦Selena Quintanilla Perez - Tejano singer ; raised Jehovah's Witnesses
Note: This list was originally drawn from [4] The information was edited by the creator of this list, a former Witness who can attest to each citation herein personally, but is skeptical of other entries on the source site. Further, some later edits that followed this note are not using Adherents.com as a source.
From http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-jehovah-s-witnesses
 
Junction-Guy
Junction-Guy 9 years ago

As for Mickey Spillane, wasnt his funeral held in a kingdom hall? and if so, that would make me think he had been reinstated before he died.
 
5go
5go 9 years ago



Michael Jackson - Michael became a Jehovah's Witness but disassociated himself shortly after his hit album, Thriller
Didn't the DA change happen in 1985  wow they really hate him !
 
5go
5go 9 years ago



Wayans brothers - Actors/Comediens ; Raised Jehovah's Witnesses
my favorite explains their humor
 
under_believer
under_believer 9 years ago

Of the people I've heard of, these three I didn't know about.
Naomi Campbell
Lark Voorhies
Gary Gygax
That last one COMPLETELY BLOWS MY MIND and I have a hard time believing it considering the Society's stand on DND and the fact that he's still very active in the roleplaying community, including attendance and presenting at cons and such.
 
J-ex-W
J-ex-W 9 years ago

Here are links to other lists. I'm sure there's some overlap.
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_jw.html

and Damon Wayans interview, etc.
http://www.freeminds.org/african/damon.htm
 
Es
Es 9 years ago

HOLY CRAP that second list blew me away a bit
As for the first I actually met Hank Marvin lead guitarist of The Shadows at a Perth circuit Assembly
 
zagor
zagor 9 years ago

there's even more here ... http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_jw.html
or how about this ... http://vice.typepad.com/vice_magazine/2006/11/holland_jehovah.html
 
kid-A
kid-A 9 years ago

Patti Smyths mom was a JW.....wow.....that is extremely shocking. As for "Prince", I think there should be a question mark now. He had a nasty divorce and his superbowl performance almost seemed like a swipe at the WTS. I wonder if he's really still in.
 
needproof
needproof 9 years ago

What about Roosevelt
 
Junction-Guy
Junction-Guy 9 years ago

Roosevelt? I never knew he had JW connections, I knew Eisenhower did.
 
jgnat
jgnat 9 years ago

Wasn't it Roosvelt's mother, not himself?
 
Junction-Guy
Junction-Guy 9 years ago

Not sure, but either way that is news to me, I already knew Eisenhowers mother was a JW though.
 
Golf
Golf 9 years ago

Mark McComber a professional golfer. Played with the big boys on the professional circuit. Hmmmmm, a few sports celebrities I see.

Golf
 
needproof
needproof 9 years ago

Thats the one JG, sorry about that
 
Chameleon
Chameleon 9 years ago

I find it hard to believe that Akira Toriyama is a dub.
Most dubs would find DBZ too "violent" for a cartoon.
 
Twitch
Twitch 9 years ago

Cool
 
pratt1
pratt1 9 years ago

Terence Howard, Oscar nominated Actor - Raised as a Witless and married to a Witless.
 
phil78
phil78 9 years ago

Dont know if its true or not, but I heard ages ago that the lead singer of Wheatus, (put out track :Teenage Dirtbag) was raised a jw. And that he stole from the contribution box to buy a guitar or amp or something. Replaced the moolah when he made it bigtime.
 
uwishufish
uwishufish 9 years ago

Papa Dee Allen of the 70s-80s rock group War. Passed away during a concert. His sons were my freinds.
 

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Sunspot
Sunspot 9 years ago

How about Sherry Shephard, actress and comedy star?
 
M.J.
M.J. 9 years ago

Rapper Ja Rule, raised a dub.
 
nvrgnbk
nvrgnbk 9 years ago

This list is missing Irish musician Van Morrison. He was taken to the Kingdom Hall as a child. I believe his mother was baptized but I cannot verify that.
 
juni
juni 9 years ago

Do any of you "older" ones remember the woman artist who painted pictures of children w/very large eyes?? I don't remember her name, but she is/was a witness.
It is Margaret Keane. The other source identified her as the artist of "big eye" paintings.
 
juni
juni 9 years ago

Do any of you "older" ones remember the woman artist who painted pictures of children w/very large eyes?? I don't remember her name, but she is/was a witness.
I'd have to search around to find her. Google "big eyes". lol
It listed this which is wrong.
Dave Meyers was a professional basketball players who played with the Los Angeles Lakers in the 1970s. He is an active, baptized Jehovah's Witness who attends congregational meetings and engages in field service.
He played for the Milwaukee Bucks cause I remember how many were pissed off when he became a JW. He was a star player.
 
Amnesty Vendor
Amnesty Vendor 9 years ago

I did not see these in any list:
JaRule: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1480118/20031031/story.jhtml
Thelonius Monk: http://www.monkzone.com/Profiles_interviews/Frank%20London%20Brown.htm
Terrance Howard
 
blondie
blondie 9 years ago

I actually met Dave Meyers at his congregation in Milwaukee when he was playing for the Bucks. I do believe he played for both the Bucks and the Lakers but he became a JW while living in the Milwaukee area. I think Meyers was traded from the Lakers to the Bucks in 1975.
Kareem wanted out of Milwaukee at this point, partially due to the supporting cast around him but also due to a desire to be in a city where more people shared his religious and life beliefs. He asked to be traded, singling New York and Los Angeles out as places he'd like to go. The Bucks made it happen and in 1975traded Kareem to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Junior Bridgeman, Elmore Smith, Dave Meyers and Brian Winters.
http://www.insidehoops.com/kareem-abdul-jabbar.shtml
*** g85 5/22 pp. 21-25 My Basketball Career—Replaced by Two Other Loves! ***
I WAS seven years old when I started liking basketball. I used to go down to a driveway in the neighborhood and shoot baskets a couple of hours a day. By my senior year in high school, I was 6´ 5 1/2? tall and weighed 185 pounds. That year our team won the title in our division. I got a scholarship to go to UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles), played under coach John Wooden, and two out of my last three years there, we won the national title.
My first year out of college, 1975, was a busy one. I signed a contract with the Los Angeles Lakers—at 1.6 million dollars or thereabouts, for five years. A week after that I was traded to the Milwaukee Bucks. A month later I married Linda, and a month after that she was pregnant.
Well, anyway, I found out in a hurry how different it was playing in the NBA (National Basketball Association)! At UCLA we had a winning streak of 88 games, but in my first year with the Milwaukee Bucks we lost 44 games! I was playing every other night, against talented professional players. It was a business. It was your life. Especially so during the playing season, on the road a lot—it gobbled you up! But I loved it!
Soon, however, two other things intervened that I was to love more—things not compatible with my career in professional basketball.
You might say that the seeds for this tug-of-war were sown back in 1972 when I first met Linda. I immediately fell in love with her. She had been baptized earlier that year as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses but had become inactive. Still, she frequently brought up religion.
"How do you feel about the Bible?" she would ask.
"It’s a good mythology book," I would answer.
I had been brought up a strict Catholic, but now I was in college and very tolerant and philosophical. The discussions never got too involved or very prolonged.
Then something happened in 1974 that got me into a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses. There was a boy—Brian Good was his name—that I went to high school with. He hated me. It was a rivalry-type thing, competitors in sports. His parents were Witnesses, but he would have nothing to do with their religion. He got into drugs, grew long hair, was really obnoxious. A few years later I came into Linda’s house, and there was Brian. Married, short hair, necktie on, really clean-cut looking. He had become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Later on he and his wife were preaching full time in Kansas, and while driving cross-country to an assembly both were killed in an automobile accident. The funeral was held in the Kingdom Hall. I went, out of respect for Brian.
It was the strangest thing. The speaker stood there talking about everybody seeing Brian again. It was almost as if he wasn’t even dead, as I heard it. His family sat in front quietly weeping, but I didn’t even feel sad! It was unusual. Here’s this speaker talking about positive things, and I’m sitting there thinking: ‘Boy, this is really a nice talk! They’re going to see Brian again, and they’re going to be doing this and that with him!’
A year later, 1975, I was playing with the Milwaukee Bucks. One of my teammates was Elmore Smith, also traded to the Bucks that year. And in that same year he had been baptized as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses! His wife, Jessica, had been a Witness for three or four years. It seemed like Witnesses were suddenly popping up everywhere in my life! Elmore and I became close friends, since neither of us drank or partied around. Well, he was always after me to study the Bible with him or go to the Kingdom Hall with him. I wasn’t ready for this. One day after practice—we had a real good practice, and Elmore and I were walking up the corridor—and Elmore says:
"Dave, I’m giving my first talk in the Theocratic Ministry School. I’d like you to come." I hemmed and hawed, made an excuse, went home—and felt terrible! The next day at practice I told Elmore: "Now, Elmore, look. I really apologize. I tell you what, Linda and I will come to another meeting." And, oh, he just loved that!
So later Linda and I went to a public talk and Watchtower Study at the Kingdom Hall. The Witnesses were very friendly. I was not, however, impressed with the talk, and the Watchtower Study was on the Bible book of Haggai or Habakkuk. I didn’t know what was going on. I’m sitting there thinking, ‘What is this? What am I doing here?’
Soon after that the basketball season ended, and we returned to California. We began drifting apart. I was worried about my career. I’d played most of the year with an injured knee, and now X rays showed that the kneecap was broken. The first year of my NBA contract, four more years to go, and now I don’t even know if I’m going to play! An operation on my knee was scheduled, and when I left for the hospital I took along the NewWorldTranslation.
"You’re going to take the Bible with you?" Linda asked, surprised.
"Yes. It’s a good mythology book. I’d like to read it."
That night in the hospital I read several chapters but got bored when I got into a long section of genealogies. I became sleepy and put the book down. The next morning my surgery was successfully performed. Linda came to see me, but I was in pain and doped up—didn’t even know she had been there. She wasn’t there when I did come to, and that made me mad.
I got out of the hospital in a few days, and by a week later Linda and I had practically stopped talking to each other.
Then something happened that brought us together. One night I went to a movie with a friend. It was called TheOmen. One of those scary science-fiction-type movies. It involved the demons. When I walked out of that movie, I was scared to death. It was about Satan’s child. Two scriptures from the book of Revelation were flashed on the screen. As I read those scriptures, I thought, ‘It says that in the Bible? That’s going to happen?’ One was about the number of the beast, 666; the other about a great light flashing from one end of the earth to the other end. It really scared me. Driving home, I kept looking over my shoulder expecting some demon to jump on me.
I went into the house, into our bedroom, and turned on the light. It was about 1:30 in the morning. Linda said:
"What do you have the light on for?"
"I’m nothing, I’m nothing." I mumbled it over and over again.
Linda jumped out of bed. "What’s wrong, Dave, what’swrong?"

"I’m scared!" I told her about the movie.
She got the Bible, and we both lay in bed. She read Matthew 7:13, 14 about the broad way to destruction and the narrow way to life. She kept reassuring me: "Dave, you don’t have to be afraid of Satan. You don’t have to fear him. Fear Jehovah. He’s the one who holds our life in his hands." She kept on reading, and all of a sudden it seemed as if I had been in a dark room and someone turned a light on.
That night I didn’t sleep. The next morning I sat in bed and read in the Bible. First, Revelation, then First and Second Timothy, and First and Second Thessalonians, and Romans. All those little books. They started to make sense. As I was reading, I was thinking, ‘How come I’ve never read this before? Why didn’t I ever look at these things before?’ It was as if Jehovah opened my heart.
That evening Linda’s brother-in-law came over. He was a baptized Witness. For four hours I asked him questions, and he answered everything from the Bible. No issue became an issue for me. No blood transfusions, no Trinity, no immortal soul—all proved from the Bible. That settled it for me. It was as if a light went on in that month of September 1976. I called Elmore Smith and his wife and said:
"Guess what?"
"What?"
"I’m going to have a Bible study with the Witnesses!"
They couldn’t believe it. Elmore couldn’t get over it. There had been one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the NBA, now there would be two, and both on the same team!
I got baptized the next year, in August of 1977. I loved the door-to-door preaching work. In 1978 I auxiliary pioneered—which means I averaged 60 hours or more a month in preaching the good news of God’s Kingdom. It was also during the 1977-78 season that I had my greatest year in the NBA. But I was beginning to begrudge the time basketball was taking from my preaching work! I still loved the game of basketball, but I was beginning to love the preaching work even more!
I was also drawing closer to my family. Linda and I were very close now. We had a two-year-old daughter, Crystal. A year later, in 1979, our son Sean was born. A ruptured disk in my back kept me from playing basketball. It was painful, but it was a blessing in disguise. I was with my family every day, going to all the meetings, doing personal study, and again auxiliary pioneering. It was that summer that I made a decision in my heart—I would retire from professional basketball. I would fulfill my contract, but I would retire after the 1979-80 season.
That decision was all I needed! My strength started coming back, both my legs started to come back, and I won back my starting position in camp! So, after missing an entire year, I’m back in the starting line, and I’m playing. We made it to the playoffs. We won the division.
Ten days after the last game, I went to the owner’s office.
"Dave," he said, "You’re going to become a free agent," and he started to talk to me about money. He knew that as a free agent I could make much more money.
"Jim," I interrupted, "I’m not going to play anymore."
"What do you mean, you’re not going to play anymore? You can’t do that!"
"I’m doing it. My goals, my values, have changed, and basketball conflicts with them."
"But you love basketball!"
"That’s true, I do."
"Well, now wait a minute," he brightened up. "You’re a Jehovah’s Witness, right? Your organization can use some money, right? We’ll donate part of your contract to them."
"No," I said, "being a Witness is more than donating money. It’s studying, going to meetings, preaching from door to door. Basketball, Jim, takes me away from that. Six months on the road isolates me from that. It also takes me away from my family responsibilities, and that’s also an important part of worshiping Jehovah."—Deuteronomy 6:6, 7; Ephesians 5:25, 28, 33; 6:4.
We had a press conference the next day. The Milwaukee papers were there, the TV station was represented. Many of the articles in Milwaukee were very favorable. (See the box, opposite page.) But in Los Angeles they painted me as a little crazy. ‘This religion, this cult, they’ve got Dave thinking funny, but he’ll be back.’ That type of thing.
Interestingly, as soon as my retirement was announced, the tempting offers began pouring in. The Bucks sent me a better contract for the next year. The Los Angeles Lakers called, wanting me to play for them. They would pay my moving expenses to California and would locate a house for me. Seattle contacted me too. It was all very tempting. I still loved basketball, but by now I loved my family and serving Jehovah much more. I felt that Jehovah was right there with me, helping me resist those offers involving millions of dollars.—Proverbs 3:13-18; Zephaniah 1:18; 1 John 2:15-17.
And ever since he has blessed me. I have time for personal Bible study and attendance at meetings. I’m an elder in the congregation, give public talks, and frequently spend my full time in the ministry telling others about the good news of Jehovah’s Kingdom under Christ. These spiritual activities are a source of happiness to me. (Matthew 5:3) I also have time to be with my son and daughter while they are growing up, and I can help them in true worship. And I have time now to devote to my wife and keep our marriage strong.
The future is bleak for the great masses of humanity in this nuclear age. But my hope is a glorious one. Concerning the Paradise earth under God’s Kingdom, Revelation 21:4 says: "And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."
With this blessing from Jehovah in view, I considered it no sacrifice at all to set aside my basketball career. My love for my family and for Jehovah—these are my happinesses now. Plus my hope for endless life in the Paradise earth.
The same blessed hope is also yours if you wish it. Revelation 22:17 says: "Let anyone that wishes take life’s water free."—AstoldbyDavidMeyers.


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The sports editor of the Milwaukee Journal, Bill Dwyre, wrote: "The thought of Meyers giving up a potential $500,000 a year for playing basketball so he can go door to door as a Jehovah’s Witness is mind boggling. . . . But before everybody lines up to drive the bus with the straitjacket out to Meyers house, a deeper look at the man behind the decision is warranted. . . .
"He loved to talk about his family—his wife, Linda, and his young son and daughter. Conversations about basketball [his exploits in a game] invariably led to a quick change in the subject to praise of his teammates and talk about standings and referees. But conversations about his family, about subjects such as his daughter’s learning to walk or his wife’s quitting smoking, would light him up with an eagerness to communicate.
"‘A lot of people are going to think I’m crazy,’ he said Wednesday night, just hours after his formal press conference. ‘But all I really want to do is to get on to the more important things in my life, like my family and my religion.’
"He ought to be admired for having the guts to live his beliefs."—May 1, 1980.


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Amnesty Vendor
Amnesty Vendor 9 years ago

John Salley: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n6_v45/ai_8864215
 
dannyboy
dannyboy 9 years ago

RE: Dwight David Eisenhower
Is not incorrect to include him as a "former Witness" in that he never was one??
Or to put it another way, what proof is there that he's a former Witness?
[ Perhaps the intention was to show some kind of presumed "Witness" influence on him from his mother? ]
---Dan
 
blondie
blondie 9 years ago

Meetings were held in his family home. It makes sense that he probably attended some of those. He was never baptized as a JW. His father stopped attending around 1914/1915 when Dwight was about 24 or 25. Dwight graduated from West Point in 1915.
He was baptized as a Presbyterian shortly before he became President.
Blondie
 
zagor
zagor 9 years ago

I remember few years ago someone telling me that Pope's brother in Poland was/is a JW. Can anyone verify that?
 
averyniceguy
averyniceguy 9 years ago

I think that was the Pope's sister that is JW.
 
misspeaches
misspeaches 9 years ago

Hi Zagor
Yes the popes cousin is living in Cooma NSW. An hour away from Canberra. She is an active JW. It made quite a stir when the pope got his position as it was around the same time as the local District Convention in Canberra. Popes cousin was in town and the Canberra Times actually interviewed her. Interesting bit of trivia.
 
zagor
zagor 9 years ago

Thank you misspeaches, I knew it came from somewhere lol :smile:
So how are you? Any party plans? :smile:
 
under_believer
under_believer 9 years ago

Jerry Lee Merrit, Rockabilly Hall Of Fame member. http://www.rockabillyhall.com/JerryMerritt1.html
 
Satanus
Satanus 8 years ago

The vast majority are in the entertainment field. Interesting. Hardly any scientists. No surprise, since being a scientist entails education.
S
 
WTWizard
WTWizard 7 years ago

I have heard from several sources that Michael Jackson's disassociation happened in 1987, shortly before he released his "Bad" album. He probably did get in trouble because of the Thriller video--and perhaps that created confusion. And likely he disassociated prior to Bad to avoid getting in trouble and so he could release it in peace.
However, I have no confirmation. It might be advisable to look it up on Google.
Ditto as to whether Prince is still in or not. And I have heard rumors, backed up by the latest two albums, that George Benson may have been disfellowshipped in 2005. Notably, his latest albums contain song titles that are suggestive of sex and drug use, which is an encouraging sign.
Finally, I have also heard that Xzibit is another former witless.
 
Hope4Others
Hope4Others 7 years ago

Seems so many are tied into jw's some how...
h40
 
Mulan
Mulan 7 years ago

Add Michelle Rodriguez to the list. She was on "Lost" for a few seasons, but was killed off after serving time for a DUI in Honolulu.
She was on The View yesterday and said she was raised a JW, but "you know, you have to leave the womb sometime, and I wanted to make my own way and my own decisions".......direct quote, as near as I can remember. She and Sherry Shepherd high fived each other.
 
Gram
Gram 7 years ago

Anyone heard of Richard Sohl? Pianist. Died. I think he was with Patti Smith's group? Anyone know what became of his sisters and brother, Steve? They lived in Flusing Meadows, NY.
 

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many i have never heard of.. list of famous jehovah's witnessesa range of participation is represented by these individuals, from full activity to disaffiliation.. george benson - jazz guitarist maurizio bianchi - musician cheryl bradley - executive housekeeper ivana brkic - croatian musician richard cameron- dutch musician valerie campbell - mother of naomi campbelltom edur - former nhlice hockey player.
ida e. eisenhower (mother of president eisenhower) leopold engleitner - buchenwald concentration camp survivor and centenarian.



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Bobby Tambling former British footballer has been in the news recently as his phenomenal goalscoring record has been broken by Frank Lampard, a JWN member informed my some years back that former Shadows guitarist Brian Locking had been inactive for a number of years
 
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smiddy 3 years ago

I wonder how many on those lists, who was a jehovahs witness then, and are still alive today would still identify themselves as a jehovahs witness.
I think that would be interesting.
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Jackson’s birthday burial a family issue
Michael Jackson’s Aug. 29 burial points to a power shift within the Jackson family that could ultimately affect Jackson’s three children.
Up until recently, Michael’s mother Katherine was making the major family decisions, but the decision to schedule the burial for Jackson’s birthday was largely Joe Jackson’s.
“Katherine didn’t want it (the burial) on his birthday, neither did Rebbie (Jackson’s oldest sister),” said a close family friend. Both Katherine and Rebbie Jackson are Jehovah's Witnesses, and do not celebrate birthdays, but the religious reason isn't their only objection.
“(Katherine and Rebbie Jackson feared) it would turn the burial into a spectacle that will be hard for the kids to not be swept up in," the friend said. “Katherine is having a really hard time with Michael’s death, but she puts the kids first. She and Rebbie have been doing a good job of keeping separate from the drama. Joe doesn’t factor how Paris, Prince and Blanket will be a part of the equation. The more decisions he gets to be involved in, the worse it is for the kids.”
comment: Well at least in death he got his birthday celebrated, in spite of the two elderettes.
Randy
 
mouthy
mouthy 7 years ago

My heart aches for those kids.
 
Dogpatch
Dogpatch 7 years ago

I wonder if Bubbles was allowed to celebrate his birthday?
R
 
civicsi00
civicsi00 7 years ago

That royally sucks for those kids. They're going to be torn between two worlds for the next few years. Did Michael plan for this? Did he ever warn his children about JW's?
 
mouthy
mouthy 7 years ago

If Elizebeth Taylor has anything to say about it YES!
She was the first one to MAKE MIcheal celebrate his first Christmas
 
Dogpatch
Dogpatch 7 years ago

Wikipedia sez,
Bubbles had initially resided at the Jackson family's Encino home, but moved to Neverland Ranch in 1988, where he slept in a crib at the corner of Jackson's bedroom. Bubbles was allowed to use Jackson's private toilet at the ranch, although the chimp occasionally wore a diaper. In the 2003 documentary Living with Michael Jackson, the musician revealed to journalist Martin Bashir that Bubbles had become too aggressive, and had been moved to an animal sanctuary. Following an alleged suicide attempt toward the end of 2003, Bubbles was relocated to the Center for Great Apes in Wauchula, Florida, where he has resided for several years.
Suicide attempt? Maybe over birthdays!
R
 
JWoods
JWoods 7 years ago

This had totally missed my attention even though I heard it was "on his would-be 51st birthday"...of course this is the double whammy: not one but TWO non-witness funerals (three if you count the private "memorial" - bad choice of words in itself for a JW service) - and timed to occur on a pagan birthday!!!
How can it get worse? Maybe Madonna could dance the seven veils and demand for the head of Bubbles the Chimp on a platter?
 
nelly136
nelly136 7 years ago

http://www.centerforgreatapes.org/apes-in-entertainment.aspx#pets
the sanctuary bubbles ended up at seems to being doing a great job, hes listed under the great apes/our apes link
and he has his own adoption page.
 
willyloman
willyloman 7 years ago

I don't know Katherine Jackson from Adam, although I did meet and chat with her once (another story). But I would not be surprised to know that she is a lot like other WWUM (Wives With Unbelieving Mates). Many of these woman had husbands with big egos and strong personalities and were pushed around constantly and forced to compromise their religious beliefs or be ridiculed for them (or both).
So I can easily assume here that Joe, from all accounts a hideous man who abused his children (emotionally, at the very least), did this on purpose. That way the whole family (dubs included) would be forced to acknowledge MJ's birthday every year from now on - it being, after all, the day he was buried.
He's like the alcoholic husband of a dysfunctional family who bullies everyone into a phony show of unity on the holidays, because "that's the way it's supposed to be."
 
IWillBeDubbedNoMore
IWillBeDubbedNoMore 7 years ago

Too bad they can't seem to stand up to Joe Jackson. This is supposed to be a private funeral and yet it is plastered all over the news. It should have been announced after he was laid to rest, not before.
I feel so sad for those kids. Their lives are like a crazy roller coaster ride with no end in sight.
 
JWdaughter
JWdaughter 7 years ago

Funny, I thought that Katherine had planned it for his birthday-to make sure that the kids had a BAD association with the 'celebration' of birthdays. Make it a BITTERsweet day, emphasize bitter, for the kids. I am surprised that Joe has any input at all, all things considered.
 
bluecanary
bluecanary 7 years ago

His kid's name is seriously Blanket? That's what you name your kitten.
 
Barbie Doll
Barbie Doll 7 years ago

I feel bad for the Children, there life is not going to be easy.
 
JoJoJones
JoJoJones 7 years ago

This is all so sad and confusing the children! I'm so glad that Michael had Elizabeth Taylor in his life. She's a good person, and I'm glad she got Michael to celebrate Christmas at least once. I hope that she will be in Michael's children's lives, too. I feel so bad for them, as do so many other people. I wonder if they have to go out in service with their grandmother and how they like it and if they are given any choice about it. Those poor kids!
 
flipper
flipper 7 years ago

My thought was like Blue Canaries also ! My wife and I asked , " They seriously named one child " Blanket " ? For crying out loud. Don't stop there. Why not just call the other two " Drapes " or " Lamp " or " Chair " for christ's sakes ? How some parents come up with names for their children - I'll never understand.  Jeez. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
 
OUTLAW
OUTLAW 7 years ago

Wikipedia sez,
Bubbles had initially resided at the Jackson family's Encino home, but moved to Neverland Ranch in 1988, where he slept in a crib at the corner of Jackson's bedroom. Bubbles was allowed to use Jackson's private toilet at the ranch, although the chimp occasionally wore a diaper. In the 2003 documentary Living with Michael Jackson, the musician revealed to journalist Martin Bashir that Bubbles had become too aggressive, and had been moved to an animal sanctuary. Following an alleged suicide attempt toward the end of 2003, Bubbles was relocated to the Center for Great Apes in Wauchula, Florida, where he has resided for several years.
Suicide attempt? Maybe over birthdays!
R
It was a "John the Baptist" type suicide..
 Bubbles tried to cut his own head off.
 .Monkey Kiss
..............LOL!!...OUTLAW


 

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(Please delete if already posted).
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MISS Rwaramba has returned to Bible study, and is believed to be a Jehovah's Witness again, as he is.
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Family thriller: Jackson, and Grace Rwaramba, the women his children call Mom
This Wednesday will be quite a date for connoisseurs of pop spectacle. Michael Jackson, who has essentially been in hiding since his trial for child abuse 18 months ago, is to appear on stage during the World Music Awards at Earls Court in London.

He is seldom seen - his last public outing was at another awards show in Japan in June - but this time the difference is that he is going to perform. It will be the first time in nine years that he has performed in the UK.
A public appearance of this nature is a bold step for a man who is, at around seven stone, extremely frail. Added to this, some in America insist that he is addicted to prescription painkillers, and has a private life which is so peculiar it defies categorisation.
Indeed, these days Jackson, 48, cuts a truly macabre figure, with his face ruined by plastic surgery and his skin a deathly shade of white.
He has been seen so little that he seems barely real, and sightings have taken on an almost mythological quality. When it was reported in October that he had been out, dressed as a woman, in a floppy sunhat and high heels in St Tropez, the reports were widely believed, even though the person in question was not actually him.
It speaks volumes that people will so readily believe he would go out disguised in this way. The fact is that since the conclusion of the trial, Jackson has become a delusional and isolated figure. Aides say he is so prone to panic attacks that he cuts himself off from human contact for days at a time.
He is terrified of germs, and has a phobic fear of being touched by his fans. According to an associate who met him last month, he virtually lacks the self confidence to speak.
While in Bahrain as a guest of the royal family, he took to wearing an abaya, the black robes traditional for Arab women, in a bid to pass unnoticed.
And yet we are promised he is ready to perform a new version of his song Thriller, the smash hit which launched 52 million album sales. The song has been remixed at a secluded studio in Westmeath, Ireland, with the help of Will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas.
And an album of new material has, says his publicist, been worked on, and may be released - if he can get the financial backing of a record label - next year.
So what is the truth about the most peculiar man in pop? And where on earth has he been since he walked out of the courtroom in Santa Barbara in June 2005? Stories constantly circulate about him - that he is suicidal, bankrupt, converted to Islam.
The answer is that he has been building a new life, first in Bahrain, then more recently in Ireland and Switzerland with his children Prince Michael, nine, Paris Katherine, eight, and Prince Michael II - known as Blanket - who is four.
Significantly, at the centre of this new life is the woman who they all call 'Mom' - stunningly attractive Grace Rwaramba, whose job description is nanny, but is far more than that.
RWARAMBA, 39, started working for Jackson in 1991, dealing with insurance for his employees. In the early days, she is thought to have had a short-lived romance with Jackson's brother Jermaine. Then, in 1999, she became Prince Michael's first nanny - a position of great trust. Jackson's former wife Debbie Rowe has remarked that her services were not required because Michael did it all, from nappies to feeds, but Rwaramba soon became a valued part of the family.
Although she quite deliberately keeps out of the limelight, and did not testify at the trial or even attend it, she has emerged as the most important woman in Michael Jackson's world, and quite possibly the only person alive whom he trusts.
As his family, friends and business associates have discovered, her influence is considerable: she is the gatekeeper. No one gets to speak to him without her say-so. This summer, for instance, Jackson finally got a personal mobile phone, but within a day he lost it and gave up on the idea. Instead, it seems that he is happy for Rwaramba to be the one who deals with the outside world.
There was a six-month period after the trial when Jackson refused to speak to any of his brothers or other family members - he thought they were plotting against him. It was Rwaramba alone who he took with him when he fled to Bahrain, and only she whom he leaned on for support.
Some sources in the Jackson camp insist the relationship is so close that they will shortly be married. A date in September came and went when they were supposed to wed in Switzerland. Other rumours hold that they are already secretly wed, although both Rwaramba and publicist Raymone Bain deny this is the case.
Rwaramba is, records reveal, already married to Stacey Adair. But she and Adair seem never to have lived together, and it is not clear if Jackson knows Adair exists. American reports say the 1995 union in

Las Vegas bears the hallmarks of a marriage of convenience for Rwaramba, who originally comes from Rwanda but attended college in Massachusetts.
If she is still married - and no record of a divorce has come to light - it is not preventing her and Jackson from enjoying the longestrunning and most harmonious relationship he has ever managed to have with another adult.
The Mail has been told that Rwaramba and Jackson are fired up by the thought of launching a major global humanitarian project to 'save' children living in poverty in developing countries.
'Both Michael and Grace are genuinely very moved by stories about need and poverty,' says a friend. 'They would love to help others. That is what moves them most.'
How astonishing that Jackson believes that, after the revelations about him sleeping with young boys, he could have any possible role in a charitable arena.
However, Grace Rwaramba is religious, and apparently encourages him to believe he is a victim, and may yet be rehabilitated.
In a rare public utterance, she was asked about who was behind the accusations of abuse against her employer. 'Satan, the devil,' she said. While the rest of the world is perturbed by the accounts of Jackson regularly sleeping in the same bed as ten and 11-year-old boys, there is no doubt in her mind that he is a complete innocent.
She and Bain have been behind recent changes in manager, lawyer and record label, and the two of them firmly believe that he can and will make a comeback to the spotlight when the time is right.
MISS Rwaramba has returned to Bible study, and is believed to be a Jehovah's Witness again, as he is. She is entrusted with feeding the children, and shares his obsessive concerns about sterility and cleanliness. 'Everything is done Grace's way,' says an observer.
This has had some serious repercussions for Jackson. Shortly after the trial, he agreed to let Rowe see the children - she had barely laid eyes on Paris since Jackson snatched her up in the delivery room and ran home with her.
The gesture was one of thanks, to repay Rowe, mother of Jackson's first two children, for her surprisingly positive testimony.
(Rowe had told the Santa Barbara district attorney that she was going to tell the court Jackson was a danger to children and took drugs, but by the next morning she had changed her tune so much that they declared her a hostile witness.)
Rowe seems to have hoped her stance might be the start of a new relationship with the children, who at that point she had not seen in three years.
And so in August 2005, Rwaramba was the one trusted to take his children to a Los Angeles hotel to meet their mother. It was a disaster.
Rowe was aghast to discover the children referred to Rwaramba as Mom. What, Debbie asked, had they been told she was? 'A family friend,' said Rwaramba, who told Rowe she was not allowed to tell them the truth for fear of confusing them.
Soon afterwards, Rowe filed a lawsuit asking for money for legal fees and support, and for access to the children, who she said had been abducted to Bahrain on faked passports.
A judge asked both sides to publicly file all documents relating to the divorce, and there was talk that Rowe held documents disclosing-that Jackson was not the natural father of either of her two blonde children, despite his claim both were conceived 'the natural way'.
A deal was struck this autumn in which Rowe once again renounced all claims to custody and received a further £750,000 a year.
She feared if she had won custody, Jackson would have remained in Bahrain, which is not a signatory to the Hague Convention, and that the children would be forever out of her reach.
But Jackson has emerged from the ranchstyle house in suburban Manama, Bahrain's capital, which was loaned to him by King Hamad, along with a Bentley and a Rolls-Royce.
He had set up a record label jointly with the king's son Sheik Abdulla bin Hamad Al Khalifa, promising to make an album. But by this spring, the relationship had soured and the deal was off.
He quit the country and the company, and went to Ireland. He has been in rented properties, thought to include farmhouses in the Wicklow mountains, and in hotels such as Luggala Castle. Jackson has taken his children out to buy books in Dun Laoghaire (he chose one on The Beatles, and Paris opted for a tome on fairies).
They have been to the cinema in Dundrum, and were spotted shopping in Dalkey. He enjoyed a few weeks at Grouse Lodge recording studios in Rosemount.
Last month he hired new lawyers to sue the old ones, claiming his former attorney was plotting to have him declared bankrupt over a disputed £115,000 in fees. A case brought by his former friend Marc Schaffel, who says Jackson owes him around $1.6 million, is ongoing.
Jackson, once on the brink of bankruptcy, is understood to have been more than £135million in debt this spring, after he blew his £500million fortune on bad investments and insane spending.
The Sony Corporation has agreed to find a bank willing to loan him £200million to pay off his debts. In return, he had to put up as collateral his share in the song rights of acts including The Beatles.
It is clear his circumstances are much altered; he was recently seen using the budget airline Ryanair. This weekend, though, he and his entourage are due to arrive in London courtesy of the WMA organisers in familiar style - via private jet.
It will be something of a nostalgic revisiting of his glory days, as they are believed to be heading for the Lanesborough Hotel in central London, which was always his bolthole of choice in the capital.
He likes the Lanesborough because it is close to Hamleys toy shop, which used to open up for him in the middle of the night. He also likes the hotel because they were willing to make him 'comfortable', sending staff out to pick up his favoured Kentucky Fried Chicken meals. (He likes the chicken breasts with mash, corn and buttered biscuits, and will happily have this for both lunch and dinner.)
But, now that he is no longer the King of Pop, one wonders what kind of welcome awaits him. Will Hamleys throw open their doors? Will fans wait beneath his window and cheer when this troubled, frail man tries to reclaim his place in the public eye?

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MsMcDucket 9 years ago

Atlantis, I'm starting to believe what LaToya said, which was that Michael has Lupus. People with Lupus get rashes and get ill when exposed to the sun. They also suffer from skin conditions that changes the color of the skin (like vitiligo). They way he dresses seem to show that he is protecting himself from the sun. Lupus causes severe fatigue and can cause neurological changes, which would explain why he went to court in his pajamas. . . He was, probably, going to a dermatologist to have his skin totally evened out.


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Atlantis
Atlantis 9 years ago

MsMcDucket:
Thank you for your comments!
Lupus would certainly be a serious condition to deal with, however, this condition would not make Michael's harmonious relationship with an already married woman proper if he is a JW and she is studying to become one, now would it? Especially if they are thinking of marriage at a future time. As the article states, "No record of divorce has come to light"! Whether Rwaramba lived together with her husband or not, she is still legally married according to the records! What would happen to other JWs if they carried on relationships with other "married" JWs in the congregations? They would find themselves sitting in front of a judicial committee.

Rwaramba is, records reveal, already married to Stacey Adair. But she and Adair seem never to have lived together, and it is not clear if Jackson knows Adair exists. American reports say the 1995 union in

If she is still married - and no record of a divorce has come to light - it is not preventing her and Jackson from enjoying the longestrunning and most harmonious relationship he has ever managed to have with another adult.

Thank you! Nevada-
 
MsMcDucket
MsMcDucket 9 years ago

I thought that Michael left the witnesses a long time ago. I can't remember what religion he joined. Doesn't seem like the lady is too concerned about proper witness conduct either.
 
rebel8
rebel8 9 years ago

Jackson has taken his children out to buy books in Dun Laoghaire (he chose one on The Beatles, and Paris opted for a tome on fairies).


 
No Apologies
No Apologies 9 years ago

Michael DA'd himself many years ago, back in the 80's. Actually I think his case is what originated the whole concept of a JW Disassociating himself.

Interesting that he will be doing a performance of Thriller, since that is the song that got him in such deep do-do back in the day. It was the big controversy. I remember how what a big deal it was for the dubs when the Awake! came out with an article where they "interviewed" him and he apologized for making such a scary video.

No Apologies
 
gumby
gumby 9 years ago

.......and I remember when he's was just a cute little kid........so sad



 
free2beme
free2beme 9 years ago

He is such a freak!
 
MsMcDucket
MsMcDucket 9 years ago

He is such a freak!
I wonder what made him that way?
 
free2beme
free2beme 9 years ago

I think the fame is a larger part, then the religion. I have seen this odd natured behavior in a lot of famous people. I think we put to much on the Witness connection for this man, and do not listen to what he has said time and time again. Which is that he feels his childhood was robbed from him, by the amount of time he was pushed into show business. His dad is a real nut case with raising children.
 

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Everything you always wanted to know about Michael, Janet and LaToya: mother of Jackson family tells all. (excerpt from Katherine Jackson's 'My Family, The Jacksons') (Cover Story) Katherine Jackson.
Full Text: COPYRIGHT Johnson Publishing Company Inc. 1990
Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Michael, Janet and LaToya
LATOYA nude in Playboy?
I was shocked when I heard the rumor. My daughter may have been different from her eight brothers and sisters in some ways - she was the moodiest of my kids, for example - but in terms of her dress and manners, she'd been so conservative that she'd once dropped a friend who had begun wearing low-cut tops and skirts with slits in them. "She looks disgusting, like a hooker," LaToya remarked at the time. "I don't want any part of her."
But the longer I thought about the Playboy rumor, the more I feared that it was true. The LaToya I saw in early 1989 was not the LaToya I thought I knew.
I couldn't help but recall her 1988 engagement at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City, when she danced for the first time ever in a sexy, suggestive way. Watching her from the audience, I was surprised and, I admit, a little taken aback.
"Jack told me that I had to change my image if I want to make it in the business," LaToya said when I questioned her about her new show.
"Jack" was Jack Gordon, her smooth-talking manager. Her transformation had begun at the same time that he entered her life in 1987 with an offer for her to host a music video show that he had in the works. At the time LaToya was a confirmed homebody and mama's girl...
She was the kind of little girl who a grandmother would love... When you'd clean her up, LaToya would sit on the couch like a little lady...
Janet by contrast, was a tomboy. By the age of 2 she had the nickname "squirrel" because she loved to climb on the furniture and on the boys' bunkbeds...
Janet had been on the plump side for years. Michael, who can be a merciless teaser, had nicknamed her "Dunk" - for donkey.
I had a hard time getting Janet to wear dresses to kindergarden; she always wanted to wear jeans. To this day, she dresses like a tomboy. She'll show up at the house in army boots, blue jeans with patches in them, an oversized T-shirt and her hair stuffed in a cap.
"Janet," I'll say, "wear some earrings or put on some lipstick. People are going to mistake you for a guy..."
[Jack] Gordon's music video show never materialized, but he remained on the scene, showering LaToya with flowers and gifts.
Gordon begged my husband, Joe, LaToya's manager, to allow him to co-manage her; he claimed that he had ideas for how to revitalize her stalled recording career. He kept pestering Joe until Joe finally asked LaToya, "Is this what you want?" She said it was, so her father agreed to share management responsibilities with Gordon.
The next thing I knew, Gordon had my homebody of a daughter traveling the world. No sooner would they return from business in Japan than she'd announce, "Oh, I have a photo shoot to do in Austria," and she and Gordon would be on the next flight out of Los Angeles. While a part of me was happy that she was getting out into the world at long last and meeting new people, her turnabout was so sudden and dramatic that it left me confused.
It wasn't until later, when I saw Jack Gordon for what he was ... that I understood his strategy in booking LaToya in far-flung corners of the globe. He was attempting to distance my naive, trusting daughter from her family, literally and figuratively, so that he could become the dominating influence in her life.
The public learned just how successful Gordon had been in tearing LaToya away from the family when, in March of 1988, People magazine reported that LaToya had moved to New York City with Gordon and cut her professional ties with Joe. "Jack's a salesman," LaToya was quoted as saying. "He throws a good pitch and he delivers. Anyway he's doing better than my father." Adding a sensational touch was Jack Gordon's own parting "pitch" to Joe: "I love Joe like poison."
Even though LaToya continued to talk to me almost daily on the telephone, our relationship deteriorated also. It seemed like LaToya had been taking lessons in the Big Lie from Gordon.
I had raised my children to always tell the truth, so I was disappointed in her for indignantly denying to me that she had decided to write a competing, "tell-all" book about the Jackson family, even after I heard that Gordon had taken her around from publisher to publisher in New York.
"No, mother, I'm not doing a book; I don't know how these rumors get started," she said again a few weeks later, after I learned that she had signed a book deal for more money that my son Michael had received for his autobiography, Moonwalk
This exchange was repeated several more times after I was informed of "ugly family secrets" that Jack Gordon had circulated, including the Biggest Lie of them all: that LaToya had been molested by Joe when she was 8 years old. When I confronted Gordon about this outrageous charge he claimed that Rebbie, not LaToya, had told him.
"That's not true!" Rebbie gasped when I checked with her. Michael was furious. "Mother," he exclaimed, "how can he lie like that!" The obvious answer: so Jack Gordon could create interest in LaToya's book, and make more money for himself.
LaToya never did admit to me that she was writing a book. I had to read about it in a newspaper in early 1989. "Michael's book is nice but very light," she was quoted as saying. "There will be a lot of things in my book that weren't in his."
LaToya denied to me that she had disrobed for a Playboy photographer as emphatically as she had denied that she was writing a book. I'm sad to say that, once again, I learned the truth from the media. In her interviews promoting her nude spread, LaToya defended her actions: "I have to live my life for LaToya and not for my family."
I was personally so embarrassed that there were moments when I said to myself, "I wish I was on another planet." I felt like cringing when I went out in public, afraid that someone would recognize me and ask me about LaToya.
Shortly after the Playboy issue with her face on the cover hit the newstands, LaToya appeared on "Donahue."
"My parents laid down certain rules, and one of those rules, of course, was you were not to leave home unless you were married," she claimed. She didn't mention the fact that our "rule" was never enforced, and that Michael Marlon, Randy and Janet had moved out before her as single people.
Needless to say, rescuing my daughter from Gordon had been the family's aim ever since she had moved to New York with him. But nothing I nor her brothers and sisters could say could persuade her to return home to us.
Mixed in with my rage at Jack Gordon was a feeling of guilt. "Maybe I sheltered my children too much," I've thought many times since, "and not educated them enough about the sharks out there waiting to take advantage of them...."
Even as the media was covering LaToya's rebellion, it was still feasting on rumors about Michael's private life, reports of Jackson "sibling jealousy" and tales about how Joe and I are alienated from most of our kids.
"What a sorry family these Jacksons have become," I imagine people are saying today. "They couldn't handle their rags-to-riches success." If I depended on the press for all of my information on my family, I'd come to the same conclusion.
But I'm able to see our story with a perspective that is lacking in an Entertainment Tonight sound bite, or an error-filled article in one of the tabloids.
For the record, Michael doesn't own and has never slept in a hyperbaric chamber. He lay down in one once, just to see what it felt like, during a visit to the Michael Jackson Burn Center. A photographer took his picture, and the picture got out.
As for the Elephant Man's bones, I have no idea whether or not [Frank] Dileo [Michael's former manager] made an attempt on Michael's behalf to buy them. If he did so, he did so in jest. And if by some miracle the London medical center that owns the bones agreed to sell them, Michael knows I wouldn't let him in the house with them.
The most tired rumor of all was the rumor that Michael was gay.
All I can say is, Michael is not gay. First of all, the Bible speaks against homosexuality, and he's very religious. Secondly, he intends to settle down and get married one day. We've talked about it. And he will.
I wish he did have that special someone to share his life with right now; his life would be richer. I think that, deep down, he does, too.
When Michael was younger he joked that "when the love bug bites me that's who I'm going to marry." By 1989 he was telling me, "When I marry a woman she's going to have a lot of money herself. That's the only way I'll know for sure that she's not marrying me for my money."
And yet, Michael seems happy. Even though he knows that he will never be able to live a "normal" life, he seems comfortable with his fame. I believe that when he's good and ready to get married, he'll do it, despite the inevitable press uproar.
While I firmly believe that a good marriage promotes happiness, the surest path to inner peace and fulfillment, I believe, is through religion. This is why I also wish that my children will draw closer to Jehovah.
I'm not worried about Rebbie. As she says, "The most important thing in my life is my relationship with the Creator, Jehovah God."
Dee Dee, Tito's wife, has also shown a strong interest in studying.
But Randy and Janet attend Kingdom Hall only occasionally, and Jermaine, Jackie, Tito and LaToya not at all, even though LaToya was baptized a Witness several years ago. Marlon and Carol attend a Catholic church.
Then there is Michael's unique situation: In 1987, he left the Jehovah's Witnesses.
There was strong opposition to his "Thriller" video on the part of some Witnesses. Perhaps the controversy figured into his decision to leave.
But I don't know that for a fact because I didn't talk to him about what he'd done. I couldn't. Witnesses do not discuss spiritual matters with a person who has disassociated himself from the Witnesses, including family members.
But I want to stress that, contrary to published reports, I was not required to "shun" my son. Our relationship is as loving today as it was when he was a Witness. I just can't ask him, "Why, Michael?"
Two more wishes:
I wish for a reunited Jacksons. I wish that Michael and Marlon would consider rejoining the group, if only on a part-time basis. For old-time's sake. For my sake.
And I dream of a reunited Jackson family.
As much as LaToya hurt the family ... I long for her reconciliation with us. The Jackson family is not whole without her.
PHOTO : At a family reunion in 1989, Katherine Jackson (seated center, yellow jacket) and her husband Joseph are surrounded by seven of their nine children, including Janet and Michael who flank their parents, and 11 of their grandchildren. Of the famous Jackson siblings, only Marlon and LaToya did not attend the reunion. LaToya (at right), whose nude spread in Playboy magazine and threats to write a tell-all book have shocked and disappointed her family, is estranged from her parents and siblings.
PHOTO : Jack Gordon (at left with LaToya) did more than take over LaToya's career when he became her manager, Katherine Jackson says. He moved LaToya far from her family "so he could become the dominating influence in her life," Mrs. Jackson says. Yet, she says her relationship with her two superstar children, Janet and Michael (below), is as warm and loving as ever. Still, she gently chides Janet for "dressing like a tomboy," and she wishes that Michael, a former Jehovah's Witness, would return to the faith
 

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Everything you always wanted to know about Michael, Janet and LaToya: mother of Jackson family tells all. (excerpt from Katherine Jackson's 'My Family, The Jacksons') (Cover Story) Katherine Jackson.
 Full Text: COPYRIGHT Johnson Publishing Company Inc. 1990
 Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Michael, Janet and LaToya
 LATOYA nude in Playboy?
 I was shocked when I heard the rumor. My daughter may have been different from her eight brothers and sisters in some ways - she was the moodiest of my kids, for example - but in terms of her dress and manners, she'd been so conservative that she'd once dropped a friend who had begun wearing low-cut tops and skirts with slits in them. "She looks disgusting, like a hooker," LaToya remarked at the time. "I don't want any part of her."
 But the longer I thought about the Playboy rumor, the more I feared that it was true. The LaToya I saw in early 1989 was not the LaToya I thought I knew.
 I couldn't help but recall her 1988 engagement at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City, when she danced for the first time ever in a sexy, suggestive way. Watching her from the audience, I was surprised and, I admit, a little taken aback.
 "Jack told me that I had to change my image if I want to make it in the business," LaToya said when I questioned her about her new show.
 "Jack" was Jack Gordon, her smooth-talking manager. Her transformation had begun at the same time that he entered her life in 1987 with an offer for her to host a music video show that he had in the works. At the time LaToya was a confirmed homebody and mama's girl...
 She was the kind of little girl who a grandmother would love... When you'd clean her up, LaToya would sit on the couch like a little lady...
 Janet by contrast, was a tomboy. By the age of 2 she had the nickname "squirrel" because she loved to climb on the furniture and on the boys' bunkbeds...
 Janet had been on the plump side for years. Michael, who can be a merciless teaser, had nicknamed her "Dunk" - for donkey.
 I had a hard time getting Janet to wear dresses to kindergarden; she always wanted to wear jeans. To this day, she dresses like a tomboy. She'll show up at the house in army boots, blue jeans with patches in them, an oversized T-shirt and her hair stuffed in a cap.
 "Janet," I'll say, "wear some earrings or put on some lipstick. People are going to mistake you for a guy..."
 [Jack] Gordon's music video show never materialized, but he remained on the scene, showering LaToya with flowers and gifts.
 Gordon begged my husband, Joe, LaToya's manager, to allow him to co-manage her; he claimed that he had ideas for how to revitalize her stalled recording career. He kept pestering Joe until Joe finally asked LaToya, "Is this what you want?" She said it was, so her father agreed to share management responsibilities with Gordon.
 The next thing I knew, Gordon had my homebody of a daughter traveling the world. No sooner would they return from business in Japan than she'd announce, "Oh, I have a photo shoot to do in Austria," and she and Gordon would be on the next flight out of Los Angeles. While a part of me was happy that she was getting out into the world at long last and meeting new people, her turnabout was so sudden and dramatic that it left me confused.
 It wasn't until later, when I saw Jack Gordon for what he was ... that I understood his strategy in booking LaToya in far-flung corners of the globe. He was attempting to distance my naive, trusting daughter from her family, literally and figuratively, so that he could become the dominating influence in her life.
 The public learned just how successful Gordon had been in tearing LaToya away from the family when, in March of 1988, People magazine reported that LaToya had moved to New York City with Gordon and cut her professional ties with Joe. "Jack's a salesman," LaToya was quoted as saying. "He throws a good pitch and he delivers. Anyway he's doing better than my father." Adding a sensational touch was Jack Gordon's own parting "pitch" to Joe: "I love Joe like poison."
 Even though LaToya continued to talk to me almost daily on the telephone, our relationship deteriorated also. It seemed like LaToya had been taking lessons in the Big Lie from Gordon.
 I had raised my children to always tell the truth, so I was disappointed in her for indignantly denying to me that she had decided to write a competing, "tell-all" book about the Jackson family, even after I heard that Gordon had taken her around from publisher to publisher in New York.
 "No, mother, I'm not doing a book; I don't know how these rumors get started," she said again a few weeks later, after I learned that she had signed a book deal for more money that my son Michael had received for his autobiography, Moonwalk
 This exchange was repeated several more times after I was informed of "ugly family secrets" that Jack Gordon had circulated, including the Biggest Lie of them all: that LaToya had been molested by Joe when she was 8 years old. When I confronted Gordon about this outrageous charge he claimed that Rebbie, not LaToya, had told him.
 "That's not true!" Rebbie gasped when I checked with her. Michael was furious. "Mother," he exclaimed, "how can he lie like that!" The obvious answer: so Jack Gordon could create interest in LaToya's book, and make more money for himself.
 LaToya never did admit to me that she was writing a book. I had to read about it in a newspaper in early 1989. "Michael's book is nice but very light," she was quoted as saying. "There will be a lot of things in my book that weren't in his."
 LaToya denied to me that she had disrobed for a Playboy photographer as emphatically as she had denied that she was writing a book. I'm sad to say that, once again, I learned the truth from the media. In her interviews promoting her nude spread, LaToya defended her actions: "I have to live my life for LaToya and not for my family."
 I was personally so embarrassed that there were moments when I said to myself, "I wish I was on another planet." I felt like cringing when I went out in public, afraid that someone would recognize me and ask me about LaToya.
 Shortly after the Playboy issue with her face on the cover hit the newstands, LaToya appeared on "Donahue."
 "My parents laid down certain rules, and one of those rules, of course, was you were not to leave home unless you were married," she claimed. She didn't mention the fact that our "rule" was never enforced, and that Michael Marlon, Randy and Janet had moved out before her as single people.
 Needless to say, rescuing my daughter from Gordon had been the family's aim ever since she had moved to New York with him. But nothing I nor her brothers and sisters could say could persuade her to return home to us.
 Mixed in with my rage at Jack Gordon was a feeling of guilt. "Maybe I sheltered my children too much," I've thought many times since, "and not educated them enough about the sharks out there waiting to take advantage of them...."
 Even as the media was covering LaToya's rebellion, it was still feasting on rumors about Michael's private life, reports of Jackson "sibling jealousy" and tales about how Joe and I are alienated from most of our kids.
 "What a sorry family these Jacksons have become," I imagine people are saying today. "They couldn't handle their rags-to-riches success." If I depended on the press for all of my information on my family, I'd come to the same conclusion.
 But I'm able to see our story with a perspective that is lacking in an Entertainment Tonight sound bite, or an error-filled article in one of the tabloids.
 For the record, Michael doesn't own and has never slept in a hyperbaric chamber. He lay down in one once, just to see what it felt like, during a visit to the Michael Jackson Burn Center. A photographer took his picture, and the picture got out.
 As for the Elephant Man's bones, I have no idea whether or not [Frank] Dileo [Michael's former manager] made an attempt on Michael's behalf to buy them. If he did so, he did so in jest. And if by some miracle the London medical center that owns the bones agreed to sell them, Michael knows I wouldn't let him in the house with them.
 The most tired rumor of all was the rumor that Michael was gay.
 All I can say is, Michael is not gay. First of all, the Bible speaks against homosexuality, and he's very religious. Secondly, he intends to settle down and get married one day. We've talked about it. And he will.
 I wish he did have that special someone to share his life with right now; his life would be richer. I think that, deep down, he does, too.
 When Michael was younger he joked that "when the love bug bites me that's who I'm going to marry." By 1989 he was telling me, "When I marry a woman she's going to have a lot of money herself. That's the only way I'll know for sure that she's not marrying me for my money."
 And yet, Michael seems happy. Even though he knows that he will never be able to live a "normal" life, he seems comfortable with his fame. I believe that when he's good and ready to get married, he'll do it, despite the inevitable press uproar.
 While I firmly believe that a good marriage promotes happiness, the surest path to inner peace and fulfillment, I believe, is through religion. This is why I also wish that my children will draw closer to Jehovah.
 I'm not worried about Rebbie. As she says, "The most important thing in my life is my relationship with the Creator, Jehovah God."
 Dee Dee, Tito's wife, has also shown a strong interest in studying.
 But Randy and Janet attend Kingdom Hall only occasionally, and Jermaine, Jackie, Tito and LaToya not at all, even though LaToya was baptized a Witness several years ago. Marlon and Carol attend a Catholic church.
 Then there is Michael's unique situation: In 1987, he left the Jehovah's Witnesses.
 There was strong opposition to his "Thriller" video on the part of some Witnesses. Perhaps the controversy figured into his decision to leave.
 But I don't know that for a fact because I didn't talk to him about what he'd done. I couldn't. Witnesses do not discuss spiritual matters with a person who has disassociated himself from the Witnesses, including family members.
 But I want to stress that, contrary to published reports, I was not required to "shun" my son. Our relationship is as loving today as it was when he was a Witness. I just can't ask him, "Why, Michael?"
 Two more wishes:
 I wish for a reunited Jacksons. I wish that Michael and Marlon would consider rejoining the group, if only on a part-time basis. For old-time's sake. For my sake.
 And I dream of a reunited Jackson family.
 As much as LaToya hurt the family ... I long for her reconciliation with us. The Jackson family is not whole without her.
 PHOTO : At a family reunion in 1989, Katherine Jackson (seated center, yellow jacket) and her husband Joseph are surrounded by seven of their nine children, including Janet and Michael who flank their parents, and 11 of their grandchildren. Of the famous Jackson siblings, only Marlon and LaToya did not attend the reunion. LaToya (at right), whose nude spread in Playboy magazine and threats to write a tell-all book have shocked and disappointed her family, is estranged from her parents and siblings.
 PHOTO : Jack Gordon (at left with LaToya) did more than take over LaToya's career when he became her manager, Katherine Jackson says. He moved LaToya far from her family "so he could become the dominating influence in her life," Mrs. Jackson says. Yet, she says her relationship with her two superstar children, Janet and Michael (below), is as warm and loving as ever. Still, she gently chides Janet for "dressing like a tomboy," and she wishes that Michael, a former Jehovah's Witness, would return to the faith
 
cruzanheart
cruzanheart 13 years ago


She doesn't have to shun Michael because everybody else does, even the non-JWs. Except for Elizabeth Taylor. That is one very weird man . . . um, person . . . well, whatever.
Nina
 
ScoobySnax
ScoobySnax 13 years ago

...Janet Jackson still attends occasional meetings at the Kingdom Hall.............................  ...singing "Nasty Boys" lol
 

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booker-t
booker-t 11 years ago

Does anybody know the current status of the Jackson family. Is Michael Jackson Disfellowshipped or Disassociated? What about LaToya Jackson? And Janet Jackson is she Disfellowshipped? I was talking to a co-worker or mine and she told me that she heard that Katherine Jackson( Mike's Mom) was Disfellowshipped but I don't think so because I heard Janet on a radio show and she said that her mom lives at the kingdom hall.( she might be a pioneer) So I hardly believe that she is DF'd but why do she still hang out with her DF'd and DA'd kids and not get into hot water with the elders?
 
blondie
blondie 11 years ago


To the best of my knowledge

Mother Jackson--JW
Rebbie Jackson--daughter--JW
LaToya--daughter--DF'd JW ( ?--reinstated?)
Michael Jackson--son--DA's per secret letter from WTS
http://www.freeminds.org/african/mjackson.htm
The father and the rest of the kids are not JWs and never were (except being forced to go as minor children, never baptized)
 
TresHappy
TresHappy 11 years ago

I remember hearing that some of the wives of the Jackson sons were Witnesses, specifically Randy. Anyone know if that's true?
 
blondie
blondie 11 years ago


I didn't find anything on Google about the spouses. Randy has been married twice, the last divorce was in 1992. Could be but I haven't found anything.
Blondie
 
jwsons
jwsons 11 years ago


I record to a VHS tape the inteview in David Letterman Show, Janet Jackson admitted she is a JW and she also said she now enjoy her birthday with a little bit feeling of guilty.
jwsons
 
under74
under74 11 years ago

I think it's kinda weird that Jermaine (convert to Islam) did a lecture type tour in the Middle East (and I think parts of Afriica) and Firpo Carr tagged along.
Anyone got any insight to why?
 
blondie
blondie 11 years ago


I record to a VHS tape the inteview in David Letterman Show, Janet Jackson admitted she is a JW and she also said she now enjoy her birthday with a little bit feeling of guilty.
Did she happen to mention if she is baptized? I don't think so. I have know people who grew up as JWs but weren't baptized consider themselves JWs. I have also know adults who studied with JWs say they were. Once I when I still went d2d I met a woman who told me about the JW family down the block, the one that put up Christmas lights every year. I had never heard of them and I had been in that congo for 15 years. So I went down and talked to the family. It turned out that they had studied for about 5 years but never were baptized and did not attend the meetings but told everyone they were JWs...hmmmm
The Wayans grew up with a JW father but I don't think any of them are baptized.

Janet's not being baptized could explain why she could admit to celebrating her birthday publicly and not worry about being DF'd. But then I have been told that it is not an automatic DFing offense by some ex-JWs or that it is by others.
Notice how Janet is quoted in this 2001 interview:
I grew up a Jehovah's Witness, that's my mother's religion, and you're not supposed to think of dating unless you're ready to get married."
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/03/janet.jackson.lkl/
 
under74
under74 11 years ago

Am I the only one who knows who Firpo Carr is?
 
glitter
glitter 11 years ago

How old was Jacko when he was baptised then?
 
Cicatrix
Cicatrix 11 years ago

Am I the only one who knows who Firpo Carr is? Nope. He's the guy that wrote the book defending the divine name as being Jehovah. I used to have that book. In fact, his intro in which he explained how he attended seminary without the elder's express permission got me to thinking:) As to why he is touring and lecturing, I haven't a clue.
 
under74
under74 11 years ago

Ahh...glad someone else has heard of him and I'm not crazy.
Yeah, didn't he also say at one point that he was in school working towards a phd...even though he's a Witness and shouldn't be schoolin' himself?
The whole lecture thing seemed too weird to me because Jermaine Jackson was the headliner and he was lecturing and meeting with people about Islamic peoples in the US.
 
Big Tex
Big Tex 11 years ago


Mother Jackson--JW
Rebbie Jackson--daughter--JW
LaToya--daughter--DF'd JW ( ?--reinstated?)
Michael Jackson--son--DA's per secret letter from WTS
http://www.freeminds.org/african/mjackson.htm
The father and the rest of the kids are not JWs and never were (except being forced to go as minor children, never baptized)

I think Blondie has it right. To my knowledge Janet was never baptized.
 
sandy
sandy 11 years ago


Does anybody know if MJ still contributes $ to the WT?


http://www.freeminds.org/african/mjackson.htm
Interesting clue: Former bro. Jackson is reportedly still contributing to the "worldwide publishing work" (financially, of course.)
 
Gill
Gill 11 years ago

If MJ is disassociated then how come they'll take his money?
 
blondie
blondie 11 years ago


If a DF'd person puts money in the contribution box at the KH, I have never seen the elders give it back.
Blondie
 
simplesally
simplesally 11 years ago

They will take anybodies money.
 
freedom96
freedom96 11 years ago

Firpo Carr loves media attention, and is a complete idiot. He offers nothing of value to anyone watching him. He also has tried to make himself the un-official Jackson spokesman.
 
TheOldHippie
TheOldHippie 11 years ago


I've read all of Firpo's books, and have communicated with him per e-mail, and he strikes me as being somewhat - to put it mildly - egocentric; he was the first man ever to discover this and that, to travel here and there, so gain access to this and that etc. The center of the Universe, whereas in fact whathe produces are things already published or more or less commonly known, or self-evident things.
But then, if you're a poor black JW in the US and has a good head for reading and gets a good education, and wants to tell the world something - I gues it is understandable that it somehow gets into your head and you take off .........
 
under74
under74 11 years ago

"But then, if you're a poor black JW in the US and has a good head for reading and gets a good education, and wants to tell the world something - I gues it is understandable that it somehow gets into your head and you take off ........."

I don't really think I agree. One, he's tried to re-write JW history. Two, I question his "education." Three, I don't think that just because you're black, poor, and a JW with reading skills and an agenda makes one an egomaniac. Four, I question his Dubism...why would he go on an Islamic lecturing tour?
 
Quotes
Quotes 11 years ago

But if Janet ever was baptised, there would be a crowd hoping to catch a glimpse of another "wardrobe malfunction" caused nipple exposure!
~Quotes, of the "A Slacks Malfunction In The Subway got me arrested" class http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
 

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AK - Jeff 11 years ago


I've read all of Firpo's books, and have communicated with him per e-mail, and he strikes me as being somewhat - to put it mildly - egocentric; he was the first man ever to discover this and that, to travel here and there, so gain access to this and that etc. The center of the Universe, whereas in fact whathe produces are things already published or more or less commonly known, or self-evident things.
OldHippy - are you referring to Firpo or to Al Gore, great 'inventor of the internet'? LOL
 
toreador
toreador 11 years ago


Blondie says:


If a DF'd person puts money in the contribution box at the KH, I have never seen the elders give it back.
Blondie
Yeah, but they wont accept field service time. They accept money but not time, that BS IMO.
 
happyout
happyout 11 years ago


I knew Firpo growing up, and his brother Ryan. Firpo is completely out of his mind, has been for years. His ego is not just huge, it enables him to take credit for damn near any information discovered in the last 100 years or so. I think it comes from having to grow up with a name like Firpo  Anything he says is suspect, and I usually believe the total opposite just to be on the safe side.
Happyout
 
TresHappy
TresHappy 11 years ago

I remember several years ago (when it was Regis & Kathie Lee) Rebbie Jackson was on and she talked about her religion. She stated that just she and her Mom were still active JW's. I remember hearing also that some of the daughters-in-law were JW's, but maybe they just studied...I think Rebbie still pioneers.
 
IT Support
IT Support 11 years ago


I understand Firpo describes himself as the Jacksons' "spiritual adviser."
Regards,
Ken
 
under74
under74 11 years ago

*"I understand Firpo describes himself as the Jacksons' "spiritual adviser."
Yeah, I saw him on CNN over this summer (?) and he was given that title as well as the title of "Jackson family spokesman."

*Happyout- I kind of gathered he was a bit off...I don't know why I keep harping on this Firpo Carr thing...just don't understand why he would be allowed to go on an Islamic speaking tour with Jermaine Jackson...unless, Jermaine's actually a JW posing as a Muslim American in order to convert Muslims to Dubism...Okay, I'll stop.




 
Raphael
Raphael 11 years ago


I know many who have grown up as Witnesses , but nolonger associate or were never baptised or are even d'fd...such as myself who for many years still refer to themselves as JW's when fillling out hospital forms or census documents etc...kinda like nominal christians who have never really personally accepted christ as a saviour and made a commitment to christianity call themselves christians ...when in reallity they are not.
As far as monetary contributions are concerned..to be fair...if I think back to my old congregation , the contribution boxes were at the back of the Kingdom Hall , and it was almost impossible to see who was or wasn't putting money in ...so it would stand to reason then that money could not be given back if it's source was not known.
Being new to this site , but having read posts for some time now, I still do not understand why some seem to pick on every little thing that the WTBTS does or doesn't do ..while no longer a witness, some of the posts seem malicious. I understand peoples anger , but some of it really seems kinda harsh and almost unfair.
 

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does anybody know the current status of the jackson family.
is michael jackson disfellowshipped or disassociated?
what about latoya jackson?



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frozen one 7 years ago

Rev Jackson said regarding the private MJ funeral and the Jackson family that they are "devoutly religious...Jehovah's Witnesses, led by Katherine Jackson," and the private funeral will be held "under the discipline of their religious order..."
The private service may be held this evening.
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/31758315#31758315
 
DJK
DJK 7 years ago

A separate service sounds about right. Private means no worldly people invited. Although little will be said about Michael, the father and Michael's siblings. It will be all about Katherine.
 
blondie
blondie 7 years ago

Don't forget that Rebbie, his oldest sister, and her husband and family are also jws.
 
shamus100
shamus100 7 years ago

So he is getting a dub funeral... LOL.
I am willing to bet you all the money in the world that it won't be at an a-typical windowless kingdumb hall.
 
Quandry
Quandry 7 years ago

What????????????
How does he get a JW funeral--didn't he dissasociate himself and actually become a Muslim?
 
Scarred for life
Scarred for life 7 years ago

LOL! I can't believe he is getting any kind of JW funeral! Didn't he disassociate in 1987? What kind of JW funeral would he have? Is this all because of Katherine?
I watched a rerun of Larry King's interview with Jermaine last night. I thought he seemed very uncomfortable talking about their religion and their plans for a religious funeral. ( I totally understood. I've buried 2 parents without a JW service much to the despair of my mother's family.)
But he clearly said that they were RAISED as JWs. He said that as they traveled around the world and learned about other things they became interested in other religions and that HE now practiced Islam. He did not indicate that anyone was still a JW.
 
cognac
cognac 7 years ago

That would be so friggin funny if he got a JW funeral!!! You know how many JWs I would absolutely love to tell that to???
 
frozen one
frozen one 7 years ago

I wonder what "under the discipline of their religious order" means? Will there be a memorial service, sans casket, at the Jackson's congregation with a brief mention of the deceased followed by the reading of Brooklyn boilerplate? Or will the service be held graveside with family and a few key witness friends and others? I've been to some witness graveside services and they have been much more about the deceased compared to the kingdom hall services.
Speaking of kingdom halls, do you suppose attendence at the Jackson's hall has been up in the last week or so? Has the media been staking the place out to record any Jackson family sightings? Have fans been leaving flowers, candles, and cards at the door?
 
The Almighty Homer
The Almighty Homer 7 years ago

Jesse Jackson is just talking off the top of his head he doesn't know shit about the funeral.
A JW wouldn't hold or give a talk at a funeral unless that person was an active JW baptized or not.
Its highly unlikely lets say, but perhaps since the Jacksons have celebrity status and wealth, there may be a over looking of things.
Jesse is trying to put himself in the lime light as he usually does in a event surrounding a well known afro-American celebrity.
Remember MJ didn't have thing to do with JWS for more than 25 years.
 
purplesofa
purplesofa 7 years ago

I would not be surprised if he had a JW service. When my brother committed suicide, who was never a witness, but my mother is.
He had a JW funeral. He only studied with someone a few times as a courtesy to my Mom. He hated the JW's.
The Kingdom Hall was offered to the family but I put a stop to that, taking into consideration the hardship it would take
on ALL the other family members and friends that were not JW's. So the service was at the Funeral Home.
The elder mentioned in my brothers funeral talk that he studied, so he definately showed an interest in becoming a JW.
I realize that the circumstances are different with MJ than my brother,
but I still am not surprised that MJ would have a service, simply for the sake of his Mother wishes.

purps
 
blondie
blondie 7 years ago


*** km 3/97 p. 7 Question Box ***
What if the deceased was disfellowshipped?The congregation would generally not be involved. The Kingdom Hall would not be used. If the person had been giving evidence of repentance and manifesting a desire to be reinstated, a brother’s conscience might allow him to give a Bible talk at the funeral home or graveside, to give a witness to unbelievers and to comfort the relatives. Before making this decision, however, it would be wise for the brother to consult with the body of elders and give consideration to what they may recommend. In situations where it would not be wise for that brother to be involved, it may be appropriate for a brother whoisamemberofthedeceasedperson’sfamily to give a talk to console the relatives.
 
Scarred for life
Scarred for life 7 years ago

That's very interesting, purplesofa.
I know I have a cousin that committed suicide. He was raised from age 1-18 as a JW. I think he was baptized. He committed suicide in his early 30s. He did not receive a JW funeral but that was probably because his father did not want him to have one. His father was never a JW.
 
Scarred for life
Scarred for life 7 years ago

Maybe this explains why my uncle spoke up at my mother's totally non-religious memorial gathering and started spouting off about his hope of seeing Millie again on this earth. Most people there had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. He sounded like a drunken idiot. My mother was a baptized and devout JW back in the day. Even though she hadn't stepped foot in a Kingdom Hall in over 30 years, he felt the need to address the group with the JW crap. He got a killer glare from me and shut up pretty quickly.
 
flipper
flipper 7 years ago

Well- Doesn't this just go to figure ? I mean I'm sure the Jackson family via the mother is probably a huge financial contributor to the WT society and donates thousands if not millions $$$$$$ each year - so of course, why wouldn't MJ get a private JW memorial with all the trappings ? If it was a normal Joe or Mary Blo who had dissassociated themselves - the elders would say " Sorry - no JW memorial your dissassociated ! " Money does strange things to people - including the WT society. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
 
Waffles
Waffles 7 years ago

LOL that would be such a fitting irony.
 
DJK
DJK 7 years ago

I just read a private service was held. It lasted 30 minutes. Just about right for JWs.
 
Black Sheep
Black Sheep 7 years ago

Sounds like I should make a new will.
I don't want JW doctrine being spouted within 200m of my funeral, even if that means my family want to stay home.
 
Hoping4Change
Hoping4Change 7 years ago

JJ's comments about JW's may be just enough for a large number of people to hit Google and find out about JW's. ONe has to wonder if the WTBTS will enjoy the focus they may be about to get.
 

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booker-t 11 years ago

As you posters know my mom has been a "devout" JW for over 40 years and just won't bend when it comes to the faults of the WTS. I have talked until I was blue in the face for over 10 years since DA'd myself in 1993 but just can't crack my mom. Well she made another ridiculous comment to me the other day in her attempts to get me "reinstated" back as a JW. She told me that all ex-JW's and apostates have nothing but trouble after trouble in their lives when they leave JW's. She said that Michael Jackson should have stayed a JW and if he did he would not be in this legal mess he is in now. My mom says it serves him right for leaving Jehovah and the organization. She feels that Jehovah takes away his spirit from ex-jws and they have nothing but trouble. She said that you never hear of Katherine Jackson(Mike's mom) or Rebbie Jackson(Mike's JW sister) having any trouble in life but the DF'd and DA'd Jacksons such as Mike, LaToya, Janet all get into trouble which causes their mother heartache. My mom hopes that Mike will come to his senses and ask the elders to reinstate him before Jehovah destroys him. She said this is a wake up call from Jehovah for Mike to get his life right. And she said in the meantime she will never listen to any of Michael Jackson or Janet Janet songs until they are "reinstated." What do you think of this one posters?
 
stillajwexelder
stillajwexelder 11 years ago

If you bang your head against a brickwall -it is not the brickwall that gets hurt - it is your head - you just can not reason with a diehard JW -of course if Michael had stayed a JW and if he is as allegedly but not proven a pedophile then that would have been more scandal for the WT - but the average JW would still have an answer for tha tsuch as - well he loved riches and wealth and fame more than Jehovah - they always have an answer
 
Preston
Preston 11 years ago


As a side point, something totally unrelated, I think the nature of the organization has had some effect on the way he turned out. I think, essentially, Michael Jackson felt that the organization robbed him of his youth. i think he was forced to lead a very isolated life when he was a kid and I think he was haunted by a lot of demons from his family, etc... a lot of things that happened when he was a JW. From living such a sheltered life to suddenly making millions of dollars in the recording industry, I think such a life-style change was something he couldn't handle.
- Preston
 
Country Girl
Country Girl 11 years ago


Would all them Jehovah's WItnesses that were conscientious objectors during WWII be in all that legal trouble if they had *left* JW's organization? People get in legal trouble whether they are in *or* out of the JW's.
Doublespeak.
CG
 
XQsThaiPoes
XQsThaiPoes 11 years ago

Um I think the Jackson 5 probally robbed him more of his youth than the WTS every could preston. THink about it. Look at the lives of most world famous child stars. Then look at their adult lives. THe olsens are a prime example that even a highly "normalized" version of being a child star will still thrash you a bit after you finish puberty. Don't even go into Macully.
 
steve2
steve2 11 years ago


No, whether Michael is in the JW religion or out, he'd still be in trouble because of his simple failure to observe a fundamental "rule" for anyone who has ever been accused of child molestation: Don't make your situation worse by continuing to have unsupervised access to minors.
Before the latest allegations surfaced, the foolish man, though, even went on television and defended the sleep overs in which he said it was perfectly innocent to want to have boys sleep in your bed. Hey, what were the parents of these minors thinking when they knowingly allowed their boys to share a bed with Michael, given the allegations in the early 1990s?
 
freedom96
freedom96 11 years ago

Many things have contributed to the demise and mental illness of Michael Jackson. That may or may not include witness teachings.
 
Sweetp0985
Sweetp0985 11 years ago


From my many personal experiences and from observation...and i know many of you here may not agree.....but IMHO when some leave the organization they act like they have just gotten out of prison....and even tho you can compare it to that...it's what they do when they actually have that freedom that can put them in the example crowd..."oh so-and-so has been having it soooo hard since they left the borg" or you have the ones that appreciate their new found freedom and just are happy that they now have an inner peace....those are the ones you never hear anything about.....
From my own circuit...when i was still in the borg i would hear gossip all the time about ones that have left ONLY when BAD things happened to them and they'd become an example..."poor so-and-so has been having it so bad since they've been out"....but on the other hand when you leave and live a normal life the only thing you hear is "have you seen so-and-so....they just disappeared".......
so it depends on what people do with their freedom that makes people talk or not talk...or in MJ's case....well i can't explain his case but with all the cases of molestations and so forth in the borg today..who's to say they wouldnt support him along with all the other molesters that are being "hidden" among the borg...if he was still in the borg maybe he wouldnt have all the hoopla.....
ok imma stop now because what's in my head that i want to share is not really coming out like i want it too..and i don't want to come across wrong....
 
one
one 11 years ago


Most likely not, but that's not the real issue.
just can't crack my mom
dont even try again, you wont get anywher that way, just "talk" by "example" as jw say. use their own tactics prove them wrong by your "fruits", nothing else will work.
She told me that all ex-JW's and apostates have nothing but trouble after trouble in their lives when they leave JW's
She might be right to some extent, but real reason for those "trouble" is not because they left the jw religion per se... think about it.
Any individual whose whole life was supported by a group will be in TROUBLE when that support group is no there for whatever the reason AND whatever the group involved.
The affected indivial will probably make some mistakes due do the lack of coordinates he used to reference to his whole life.
It is like being raised in the country side in Africa 0isolated) and all of the sudden she/he is dropped in the middle of NYC with no money and no maps.
You can find similar experiences unrelated to jw for you mom to read, "planting".
 
one
one 11 years ago


MJ is probably the product, as anyone else, of unresolved conflict of interests which may included the factor the way he was raised,
BUT his "power" more than anything else, made him beleive he could get away with... anything, speculation here.
I dont know for sure what really has happened in the court case. As far as i know he could be declared no guilty, as the accuser really show an lack of consistency and monetary "interest", of course the former could be atributed to "pressure" but it does not add up.
A prominent basketball player got off the hook by proving the accuser had no credibility and showed monetary interest instead.
Been there done that, there are people who REALLY are willing to take advantage, if... couched. But if anyone behave naturallyl and keeps record in wirtting, as i learned by working by global corporations, if you are innocent it is easy to prove it.
 
glitter
glitter 11 years ago

If Michael had stayed a JW and only molested JW boys none of this pesky court stuff would have even happened, would it?!
 
steve2
steve2 11 years ago


there are people who REALLY are willing to take advantage, if... couched.
Given the possibility that MJ really is innocent, all the more reason for him to have not left himself open to any kind of allegation - false or true. Given especially that the man was accused of molestation in the early 1990s, how absolutely foolish of him to choose to continue his habit of having sleep overs with boys. If it does emerge in court that the allegations are false, maybe this time, MJ will ensure that he does not let himself be ever again set up for child sex abuse allegations. Since those initial allegations emerged in the early 1990s, the power to stop them has been in Michael's hands.
 
steve2
steve2 11 years ago


If Michael had stayed a JW and only molested JW boys none of this pesky court stuff would have even happened, would it?!
Ouch! That's got to hurt some wounded egos. I suspect though that there is a discomforting amount of true observation here!
 
glitter
glitter 11 years ago

Imagine it:
Elder: What's the matter, Gavin?
Gavin: Brother Jackson touched me.
Elder: Did anyone see this happen?
Gavin: Well, no. Of course not.
Elder: *Shrugs*
 
ColdRedRain
ColdRedRain 11 years ago

Yes he would and it would bring the WTS into the fray. Guess who child molestors learn their child molesting from? Yup, other child molestors. Odds are, he was molested by a JW. That might leak out in this case. Look for some pretty interesting developments.
 
Alana
Alana 11 years ago

I've found that JWs have a round about way to rationalize anything they want.....for instance, when growing up, if someone left the borg and bad things happened, like with MJ, then, yes, they would say just like your mother....that those things wouldn't have happened if they hadn't left the borg. YET....if someone left and was successful....such as getting a good job, a nice house, or whatever......THEN, they would say that they apparently Satan was rewarding them for leaving the borg, and that they had better enjoy it now, because they will lose it all at Armageddon.
 
TheEdge
TheEdge 11 years ago

I wasn't aware that Michael Jackson was a baptised Witness - but if what I've read on here is true, then I think that if he'd stayed in the Organisation he would have been an elder by now - and thus, completely blameless without a charge to answer.
 
Sunspot
Sunspot 11 years ago


** As a side point, something totally unrelated, I think the nature of the organization has had some effect on the way he turned out. I think, essentially, Michael Jackson felt that the organization robbed him of his youth. i think he was forced to lead a very isolated life when he was a kid and I think he was haunted by a lot of demons from his family, etc... a lot of things that happened when he was a JW. From living such a sheltered life to suddenly making millions of dollars in the recording industry, I think such a life-style change was something he couldn't handle.
Ohhhhh, Preston! I don't think this IS totally unrelated at all!
Aside from unrelentless practicing, rehearsals and performing in sleazy clubs as a child, his father made his life a hell. I'll also throw in the fact that along with this, Joe belittled and taunted MJ about his features to the point that MJ would vomit whenever Joe was around, out of fear and revulsion.
Added was the fact that the older boys would sneak in gals at night when they were touring and just tell MJ to turn his head to the wall, and NOT tell anyone what they were up to.
He admits that he was always a "loner" and we all know what comfort and love the baptized JW experiences----so *that* little dream was shattered too.
As he became more popular and was getting (unconditional) "love" from adoring fans, he gets an ultimatum from the WTS about his recordings and his activities, and he "repents" in the form of an apology for the "Thriller" album. I'm sure his check$ to B'lyn were mighty hefty too.
He finally decided to make a choice and go where he got love and acceptance---let alone having tremendous talent---and his choice was to leave the WTS. Can you blame him? Most of US left because we discovered it was a crock, or other reasons.
How many at his age and with his background would have stuck around the WTS? How many of us left when there was no promise of fame and loyal fans?
I'm only commenting on the things I have heard him say on TV interviews. It make me wonder about all that he *didn't* reveal about his childhood.
I think that all of his experiences before he left, had a tremendous impact on who and what he is today. Frankly----I feel sorry for him in a big way just because of that, the same way that I feel sorry for what my own kids missed out on, and were forced to do as little robot JWs.
Annie
 
steve2
steve2 11 years ago


I think that all of his experiences before he left, had a tremendous impact on who and what he is today.
I think that can be said of anyone anywhere. There's no denying that our pasts shape to a large extent our present and future. But it is a huge step suggesting that MJ's JW upbringing led to his preference for keeping company with boys. I see MJ as a virtual law unto himself, like most other "superstars". My understanding is that, in MJ's own account of his life, he accused his non-JW father of robbing him of his childhood. In the final analysis, while it is undisputed that his JW upbringing would have shaped both his outlook and behaviour, that upbringing cannot be held accountable for MJ making some pretty unwise decisions about his choice of bedmates.
 
outbutnotdown
outbutnotdown 11 years ago


I think the nature of the organization has had some effect on the way he turned out. I think, essentially, Michael Jackson felt that the organization robbed him of his youth. i think he was forced to lead a very isolated life when he was a kid and I think he was haunted by a lot of demons from his family, etc... a lot of things that happened when he was a JW. From living such a sheltered life to suddenly making millions of dollars in the recording industry, I think such a life-style change was something he couldn't handle.
- Preston
I agree. And like Sunspot said, his dad was an abusive prick. The two combined made him into an odd fellow. However, I am not condemnig him to being guilty yet either.
He never seems to have matured out of his youth himself, so it's not completely impossible for him to consider the kids "sleep-overs" to be anything other than innocent.
Having said that, you would think that friends or advisors would have let him know that he should not leave himself open to these accusations. With that much money, you know there will be some who will take advantage of him.


As far as what JW's think, like Alana said, they'll find anyway to condemn those that leave, whether good or bad things happen to them after they leave. So, in my not so humble opinion, who gives a rat's ass what the JW's think about it? If they had any ability to be objective about it, they would deserve consideration.
Brad
 

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Having said that, you would think that friends or advisors would have let him know that he should not leave himself open to these accusations.
I had heared that, in the earlier stages, advisors had attempted to get MJ to tone down his outspoken public defence of his sleep overs and that he had taken umbrage. Basically, he chose to ignore the advice and, so affronted by it, he had threatened to sack staff. This is so typical of what happens when people develop inflated egos and start to act as if there is one law for them and another for lesser mortals. Sadly, it is not unique to MJ.
 
jws
jws 11 years ago


I've got to think that MJ wasn't that much of a Witness to begin with. So I'm not about to blame all of his problems on the JWs. If anything robbed him of his youth, it was being a pop star and performing all the time. Stardom seems to create a lot more isolation than being a JW. When was the last time you saw your average JW stalked by paparazzi or hounded for an autograph?
As others have noted above, people have tried to tell him to knock it off with the kids in bed and sleepovers. One almost court-case should have been a wake up call. He didn't listen.
I actually do think that, had he remained a JW, he might be a much more normal person. The key here is remaining a JW. To remain one, he would have had to curb a lot of his actions years ago. He would have to submit to the rules of being a JW and to the advice of elders. If they had told him to knock it off with the sleepovers back in the 90's, he would have done it - if he wanted to remain a JW. If he didn't then he'd just ignore them. But if he toned it down to being a good little JW, he might not be in the trouble he's in today.
That is not to give any credit to the JWs. Mind control and living as a slave is not a good way to live either. I'm just saying that sometimes bad behavior can be supressed by fear of punishment. It doesn't make the person a good person inside, but it will keep them behaving.
 
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Sweetp0985 11 years ago

I know this is off topic a little but isn't it kind of ironic that right now (5pm CST) that on VH-1 they are showing Purple Rain (the old Prince) and after this goes off they're going to replay the MJ as a child story? I was just telling my co-worker...it's hard to belive that lil freaky man is now a dub.....and then thought to myself...and MJ used to be a dub.....my how the world changes or rather..what the dubs allow changes...well if you really think about it....it didnt change much did it? As long as you have money you can get away with alot....if only MJ hadn't made that darn Thriller video....
 
steve2
steve2 11 years ago


Purple Rain (the old Prince)
Well, at least Prince appears to have got his sexual weirdness out of his system before joining the witnesses (OR has he?). Prince certainly qualifies as an obedient son, following his mother's last wish that he become a witness. I can't imagine Prince complaining to the media about what a rotten life he's had as MJ has done for years . And not a chimpanzee or oxygen tent in sight.
 
kaykay_mp
kaykay_mp 11 years ago


My mom hopes that Mike will come to his senses and ask the elders to reinstate him before Jehovah destroys him.
Oops, too late.

laters
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as you posters know my mom has been a "devout" jw for over 40 years and just won't bend when it comes to the faults of the wts.
i have talked until i was blue in the face for over 10 years since da'd myself in 1993 but just can't crack my mom.
well she made another ridiculous comment to me the other day in her attempts to get me "reinstated" back as a jw.



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tresdecu
tresdecu 6 years ago

Just saw this:
JACKSON FAMILY TO HOST FIRST CHRISTMAS
MICHAEL JACKSON's family is to hold Christmas celebrations for the first time this year (09) - putting their own religious beliefs aside for the superstar's three children.
The Jacksons were all brought up as Jehovah's Witnesses, a Christian-based religion which does not recognise birthdays or Christmas.
But the Thriller hitmaker deviated from his family's belief system and always enjoyed the holiday season with Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Prince Michael II.
And family matriarch Katherine Jackson, who has full custody of the kids, is determined to put their former traditions aside in December (09) to keep the youngsters' lives as normal as possible.
Michael's sister La Toya, says, "We grew up as Jehovah's Witnesses and so didn't celebrate Christmas. But I think it's very important that Michael's children celebrate it, because that's what he did with them. I want them to continue to have that. I've spoken to my mother about Christmas and she said she will be celebrating."

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/jackson-family-to-host-first-christmas_1120112
 
insearchoftruth
insearchoftruth 6 years ago

Methinks there are different rules for the wealthy....look at Prince and the Williams sisters (I don't think they are baptized...but still raised JW).
This article is a very interesting happening, I am hoping it makes a difference. I would love to see it in a more mainstream magazine or paper so I can ask my wife about this as I am planning on celebrating the holidays with my family.......
 
alanv
alanv 6 years ago

It would be a great story for the papers, and wouldn't we enjoy showing it to our witness family members.
IF she was disfellowshipped it would actually be doing her and the kids a favour. They would then hopefully be brought up normally like other kids.
 
joelingeorgia
joelingeorgia 6 years ago

no win situation for the witnesses, they either look like hypocrites or heartless
 
purplesofa
purplesofa 6 years ago

I am sure for Katherine, her loss of a child has had a great impact on her.

purps
 
blondie
blondie 6 years ago

Williams sisters - not baptized
Prince - baptized
She could hide behind the husband's headship thing and go and take the kids.

*** w01 12/15 pp. 28-29 Questions From Readers
***How can a Christian wife balance loyalty to God with submission to her unbelieving husband if he shares in religious holiday activities?
Her doing so will require wisdom and tact. But she is doing the right thing in striving to balance her two obligations. Jesus gave counsel about a parallel situation: "Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God." (Matthew 22:21) Granted, he was dealing with obligations to governments, to which Christians were later told to be in submission. (Romans 13:1) Yet, his counsel finds a parallel in a wife’s balancing her obligations to God with her Scriptural submission to her husband, even if he is an unbeliever.
No one familiar with the Bible would deny that it stresses that a Christian’s first obligation is to Almighty God, to be loyal to him at all times. (Acts 5:29) Still, in many situations a true worshiper can accommodate the requests or demands of an unbeliever in authority while not sharing in a violation of God’s elevated laws.
We find an instructive example in the three Hebrews, as related in Daniel chapter 3. Their governmental superior, Nebuchadnezzar, decreed that they and others present themselves on the plain of Dura. Realizing that false worship was scheduled, the three Hebrews would likely have preferred to avoid being there. Perhaps Daniel was able to excuse himself, but these three could not. So they complied to the extent of appearing, but they would not—and did not—share in any wrong act.—Daniel 3:1-18.
Similarly, around holiday times an unbelieving husband might request or demand that his Christian wife do something she would like to avoid. Consider some examples: He tells her to cook a certain food on the day he and others will celebrate a holiday. Or he demands that the family (including his wife) visit his relatives on that day for a meal or simply as a social call. Or even prior to the holiday, he might say that while his wife is out shopping, she must make some purchases for him—foods unique to the holiday, items to use as presents, or wrapping paper and cards to use with his gifts.
Again, the Christian wife ought to be determined not to share in false religious acts, but what about such requests? He is the family head, and God’s Word says: "You wives, be in subjection to your husbands, as it is becoming in the Lord." (Colossians 3:18) In these cases, can she show wifely subjection while being loyal to God? She must decide how to balance obedience to her husband with her overriding obedience to Jehovah.
At other times, her husband may ask her to cook a certain food, whether because it is his favorite or because he is used to having that meal in a particular season. She will desire to show love for him and recognition of his headship. Could she do so even if he made the request on the occasion of a holiday? Some Christian wives might be able to do so with a good conscience, simply considering it as a normal task of preparing the daily meal. Certainly, no loyal Christian would attach any holiday significance to it, even if her husband did. Similarly, he might require her to be with him when he visits his relatives at various times each month or year. Could she do so even if it was the day of a holiday? Or would she normally be willing to purchase things at his request, without judging what he intends to do with the items she buys for him while doing her shopping?
Of course, a Christian wife should think of others—the effect on them. (Philippians 2:4) She would like to avoid giving any impression that she is linked to the holiday, just as the three Hebrews may likely have preferred that others not see them traveling to the plain of Dura. So she might tactfully try to reason with her husband to see if, out of consideration for her feelings, he might do certain holiday-related things for himself to accommodate a wife who loves and respects him. He might see the wisdom of not putting both of them in a potentially embarrassing situation if she would have to refuse to engage in false religious acts. Yes, calm discussion beforehand might lead to a peaceful solution.—Proverbs 22:3.
In the final analysis, the faithful Christian must weigh the facts and then decide what to do. Obedience to God must come first, as it did with the three Hebrews. (1 Corinthians 10:31) But with that in mind, the individual Christian has to decide what noncompromising things can be done at the request of one having authority in the family or in the community.
 
insearchoftruth
insearchoftruth 6 years ago

Purps, you are so correct, the loss of a child or a parent is never an easy thing.....and Michael was still quite young.
 
VoidEater
VoidEater 6 years ago

Ooh, that means I'm still young, too! :wink:
 
WuzLovesDubs
WuzLovesDubs 6 years ago

This isnt the first time mom has "participated" in birthdays and holidays. Michael threw birthday parties for his mom, and she survived with impunity. Like just sitting in the room and letting others give her gifts type thing.
I dont think anyone in the JWs believes that she is suddenly "believing" in the holidays under these circumstances.
 
tresdecu
tresdecu 6 years ago

Blondie, I think you found the WTS loophole that will allow her to do as she wants since her husband is not a JW, ultimately it's no ones buisness though...esp the WTS.
and alanv said - "IF she was disfellowshipped it would actually be doing her and the kids a favour. They would then hopefully be brought up normally like other kids."
I say: right on! I agree
 
tresdecu
tresdecu 6 years ago

forgot to add based on my topic header: no, now I don't think she will be dfd, from what blondie shared w/ us. (unless there is a full spread people article showing her opening presents under the evil pagan tree.)
 
Saoirse
Saoirse 6 years ago

I'm just happy to hear that the Jackson family is doing what they can to make life as normal as possible for those kids.
 
JWoods
JWoods 6 years ago

This may also mean that she could be rethinking forcing these kids into full JW behavior...i.e. maybe not going to many meetings, probably not ever taking them in field service, etc.
 
daniel-p
daniel-p 6 years ago

Hah, no way. She has way too much potential estate money for the WTS to ignore. She could sell her soul to Satan and throw feces at the GB and they'd find some way to keep her in.
 
besty
besty 6 years ago

I've spoken to my mother about Christmas and she said she will be celebrating.
Obviously this has been a matter of family discussion and something has changed from last year WRT how Sister Jackson will spend the festive period.
As an experiment all lurking JW's with non-believer mates should make it known in the congregation they are celebrating Christmas this year, same as Sister Jackson.
 
dissed
dissed 6 years ago

Dr. Firpo Carr said on TV that Michael wanted him to study with the kids and raise them to be JW's.
I guess the family has no plans to listen to Dr. Carr.
 
flipper
flipper 6 years ago

I tend to agree with some here who say that due to Sister Jackson's most probable enormous contributions to the WT society of who knows ? Millions perhaps ? $$$$$$ ! That she will be given a free ticket to not only celebrate Christmas , hell, she could dress up at Halloween , dance a jig on New Years Eve at Times Square - and the WT society wouldn't blink an eye or notice it.
I still think she will raise the Jackson children as Jehovah's Witnesses - just teach them that because they are WEALTHY Jehovah's Witnesses they have received more of Jehovah's holy spirit because of contributions to the WT society. So essentially the children are taught- they get a free pass. Just my take on what I think might happen. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
 
peacedog
peacedog 6 years ago

"Methinks there are different rules for the wealthy"
And for angeleyes... :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
WTWizard
WTWizard 6 years ago

I hope she does worship the sun for the children--and it puts the Washtowel in a pickle. They disfellowship her, and it makes them look l ike s***. Or, they keep her in, and it makes the witlesses look wimpy and wussy.
 
TheSheppard
TheSheppard 6 years ago

Well, the source of the article is LaToya Jackson so I'm not too sure how reliable that nut job is.
 

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AllTimeJeff
AllTimeJeff 6 years ago

There is a lot that goes on in families.... It could be that Sista Jackson is allowing her grandkids to celebrate it, which she can get away with, while not personally celebrating it.
A distinction without a difference, I know. Latoya to me is as reputable a source for the Jacksons that is out there, considering she is immediate family.
 
JWoods
JWoods 6 years ago

Taking the devil's advocate side, it IS possible for a celebrity or near-celebrity JW to be disfellowshipped. Two that I can recall (both of whom sadly went back in old age) were author Mickey Spillane and society Lawyer Hayden Covington.
They do, however, have to produce some kind of hate issue between themselves and somebody pretty important in the society. Spillane reportedly wrote another Mike Hammer novel after promising not to do any more (and I believe the legend says he pretty much told the society where to get off).
Covington was indeed quite a lush (on the same order as Rutherford himself, practically falling down drunk the time I met him - at a JW meeting), but the society knew all about this & put up with his drinking for many, many years. His great split was defending Cassius Clay/M. Ali on draft dodger charges.
Note that in many of these cases, the P.R. value of letting such a person back in is worth the society backing down on their values.
 
slimboyfat
slimboyfat 6 years ago

And don't forget the legend that is Firpo Carr neithers. By all accounts he gets DFed and reinstated like a yo-yo.
 
journey-on
journey-on 6 years ago

Katherine Jackson sounds like she thinks a bit like my mother did. She has spent many long years of dedication to Jehovah and the WTS. When people like that get old, they feel like their relationship to Jehovah is real and intimately personal. She is probably a very intelligent woman and has a multi-layered personality that tries to accommodate all aspects of her complicated life.
She is a family woman through and through just like my mother was, and when my mother was faced with the disfellowshipping of my brothers and my own choice to intentionally fade, she never shunned any of us. She always said that she had taken it up with Jehovah and she knew in her heart that He did not expect that from a mother. She didn't make a big deal out of it and rub it in anybody's nose. She just quietly continued her service to Jehovah, but maintained her loving relationships within our family.
Katherine is confident enough in her relationship with Jehovah to let the chips fall where they may, imo.
 
JWoods
JWoods 6 years ago

oh, NOW I remember another rumor that got told about Mickey Spillane...he supposedly acted as the story consultant on the old Mike Hammer TV series that Stacey Keach played - and the WT people were pretty upset about it.
I think they let it slide, though.
 
bjc2read
bjc2read 6 years ago


Hello Madmary1,
You said:
I guess when you have money, even in the Watchtower land you can do whatever you want!!!
I have to agree with you. For a Jehovah's Witness to make such a blatant statement, that person must be confident that they can do what they want without any consequence to themselves. That is, they have enough money, influence, or friends to keep them safely in the organization. Most Jehovah's Witnesses would not announce to the world or to anyone, for that matter, if they plan to go against organizational policy without some strong back-up.
bjc
 
jay-jay-
jay-jay- 6 years ago

Hi all,
This is mind-blowing information!!!
You mean, Katherine Jackson is openly saying to the press, she is going to CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS, of her own free will???
Which is like a double-dog dare to the Watchtower Society, that they'd better not have anything to say about it, either???
And, the fact that her husband hasn't lived with her for over 10 years, soooooooo she is the "boss" of her household, the head of that household, as the "elders" in her congregation well know???
That means she makes all the decisions for that household, about everything going on in that household, right???
Wow!!!
I can't believe it!
Without a doubt, this proves "Money Rules" in the Watchtower Society, just like all of the other churches ... yep, its all about the money, how much you have and all. If you have enough $$$, you can do anything you want, including CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS and nobody says nothing about it!!!
This is monumentally big!
Thanks. I am most certainly going to "spread the word" about this recent news event on Katherine Jackson, and what she is able to do, with IMPUNITY in the Watchtower, because of her massive BANK ACCOUNT!
JJ
 
blondie
blondie 6 years ago

No, jay-jay, this is what the article said (see above)
Michael's sister La Toya, says, "We grew up as Jehovah's Witnesses and so didn't celebrate Christmas. But I think it's very important that Michael's children celebrate it, because that's what he did with them. I want them to continue to have that. I've spoken to my mother about Christmas and she said she will be celebrating."
 
jay-jay-
jay-jay- 6 years ago

Hi Blondie,
You think that Katherine Jackson is NOT really going to "celebrate" Christmas? That maybe this is just a publicity stunt of some kind? Or, maybe her daughter is just speaking out of turn here? That, Ms. Jackson never really said this?
I'm confused.
JJ
 
blondie
blondie 6 years ago

7-14-09 Katherine Jackson says marriage still strong
http://jezebel.com/5314276/katherine-jackson-says-marriage-to-joe-jackson-is-going-strong
 
DJK
DJK 6 years ago

Allow me to properly rephrase your question.
Is the WTS interested in paradise eternal, or are they interested in money?
 
jay-jay-
jay-jay- 6 years ago

Hi Blondie,
Soooooooooooooo, are we to assume, Joe Jackson and Katherine Jackson are NOT really separated then, for 10 years, because of that statement from Katherine?
And further, should we assume they are NOT really living in separate states, under separate roofs?
And no matter about their separation, we must continue to say, "their marriage is still strong", because she said so ... right???
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
This means Blondie, Jehovah's Witnesses around the world can continue say with a clear conscience, Katherine is still following her husband's "headship" dictates and wishes here, in allowing a "Christmas" celebration at her house for Michael's children, as her daughter announced in the news. A "celebration" that Katherine Jackson is reported to have said in the news, she will be voluntarily participating in, is that right? That way, Jehovah's Witnesses are in the clear? No reproach on the JW Organization here, in this instance.
Blondie, you believe, in Katherine Jackson's mind, Joe Jackson is still the "head" of her household, and he controls what goes on under her roof, even though he lives in another state, for the last 10 years???
Is that right, Blondie?
JJ
 
blondie
blondie 6 years ago

It only matters what the elders in her congregation think.......................
 
JWoods
JWoods 6 years ago

It only matters what the elders in her congregation think.......................
Yes, and here we go back to the basic principle - the JW rules are far different for the rich and famous than they are for the homeless poor.
 
jay-jay-
jay-jay- 6 years ago

You are soooooooooooooooooo right. When you think about it, it just makes you mad as fire.
Amen, Brother Woods!!!
JJ
 
journey-on
journey-on 6 years ago

We don't know what she is thinking right now...as the mother of a son she loved deeply and a grandmother that has the weight of the world on her shoulders dealing with the heartache and uprooting of these precious children, she may just not care what the Watchtower Society thinks and does right now. Perhaps she has had an epiphany!
 
RR
RR 6 years ago

Will Michael Jacksons Mom be DF'd ???
Who cares, really???
 
cognac
cognac 6 years ago

Blondie - Arn't they separated? I don't know how she can claim the headship thing if they are separated. I think that's stretching it a bit...
 
cognac
cognac 6 years ago

Scratch my post - I didn't see page 2 and madmary addressed what I thought...
 
blondie
blondie 6 years ago

I don't believe that they are legally separated, just living under different roofs. She considers him still her husband legally.
Just a question, if a brother moves away to work in another country (separation), does the WTS still consider him responsible for taking care of his family? I think so.



***

 w96 10/1 p. 30 ‘Providing for One’s Household’—Meeting the Challenge in Developing Lands ***
Of course, when economic conditions are severe, a parent may have no other way to provide for his family than to seek distant employment. In Bible times the sons of Jacob evidently had to leave their families behind in order to obtain provisions in Egypt. (Genesis 42:1-5) So when similar situations arise today, family heads must weigh whatever material benefits a distant job might bring against the spiritual and emotional damage of a long separation. Many families prefer to endure economic hardship rather than to separate for a lengthy period of time. They bear in mind Paul’s words found at 1 Timothy 6:8: "Having sustenance and covering, we shall be content with these things."—Compare Proverbs 15:17.

Don't confuse the legal term "separation" with a married couple living apart.
 

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jackson family to host first christmasmichael jackson's family is to hold christmas celebrations for the first time this year (09) - putting their own religious beliefs aside for the superstar's three children.. the jacksons were all brought up as jehovah's witnesses, a christian-based religion which does not recognise birthdays or christmas.
but the thriller hitmaker deviated from his family's belief system and always enjoyed the holiday season with prince michael, 12, paris, 11, and seven-year-old prince michael ii.
and family matriarch katherine jackson, who has full custody of the kids, is determined to put their former traditions aside in december (09) to keep the youngsters' lives as normal as possible.



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shopaholic
shopaholic 6 years ago

I too believe LaToya to be a worthy source of info regarding her family.
The Christmas celebration will probably be part of their new reality show. I doubt it Katherine will be df'd...if she is, the org has a lot of explaining to do because that would be on every tabloid magazine and tabloid show on TV.
 
jay-jay-
jay-jay- 6 years ago

Hi Shopaholic:
You know, I forgot all about that new reality show on the Jacksons coming up this season!!!
Great Point!
And you are right, there will probably be exclusive footage on the first, ever Christmas celebration in the Jackson household too.
Hey, wait a minute!
What if a large number of JW youngsters see this on TV (the reality show) or read about it in the press, and start to ask their JW parents,
"...if Katherine Jackson and Michael's children can celebrate Christmas, and its okay, then why can't we do it too!!!"
Oh boy, can you imagine the rumble this could cause in JW-Land?
JW parents upset, angry everywhere, trying to explain to their children, just how the rich Jacksons can celebrate Christmas on TV even, and all other JW families having to abstain, unless they get the "axe."
I'm sure the mail coming in will be quite interesting for the Governing Body, after that show aires. Also, things will probably get interesting for the local elders too, maybe heated up, since many highly concerned JWs with children will approach them about this strange phenomenon.
Jws would say to their local elders:
"Yes, Brother Elder, please explain to me how one (rich & famous) JW family can celebrate Christmas, even on TV and in the press, but everybody else, every other JW family around the world better not try it, or they face a Judicial Committee for celebrating Christmas. Can you explain that to me?"
Can you imagine them (the elders) having to explain that sort of thing?
Anyone else agree this could produce some very strange results & reactions among those in JW-Land, as we head into this coming Christmas of 2009?
...Just wondering.
JJ
 
skeeter1
skeeter1 6 years ago

May God bless LaToya!
 
mcsemike
mcsemike 6 years ago

The WT has no scrupples. They prostitute themselves daily in everything they do. We've all seen them overlook many things that rich/famous JW's do that would have gotten any regular JW DF'd.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you." I think this sums up much of it. I just cannot see them DF'ing a person who, for example, gave the WT ten million dollars every year. They would sell their own families to get what they want and they frequently do that literally.
 
monkeyman
monkeyman 6 years ago

Question.............................
If you are legally married but maintaining separate households, doesnt that make each the head of each household?
That would blow Katherines submissive role crap and liable for decisions she makes living in her home.
 

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jackson family to host first christmasmichael jackson's family is to hold christmas celebrations for the first time this year (09) - putting their own religious beliefs aside for the superstar's three children.. the jacksons were all brought up as jehovah's witnesses, a christian-based religion which does not recognise birthdays or christmas.
but the thriller hitmaker deviated from his family's belief system and always enjoyed the holiday season with prince michael, 12, paris, 11, and seven-year-old prince michael ii.
and family matriarch katherine jackson, who has full custody of the kids, is determined to put their former traditions aside in december (09) to keep the youngsters' lives as normal as possible.



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Forgive me if this has been covered before but I haven't seen anything about it recently.
In exploring the two faiths, Mormons vs. Jehovah's Witnesses, which were both founded in the 1800s with the Mormons being slightly a slightly older religion it seems Mormons is a more attractive religion than Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do not get me wrong, I'm not looking at joining the Mormon church. But I still enjoy studying other faiths and different belief systems. The Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses seem to parallel in some aspects but differ on their doctrines.
Compare the magazines. The LDS church publishes four monthly magazines: The two main magazines, Liahona and Ensign average 84 pages (Special issues even more), a magazine for church youth called New Era with about 54 pages, and a magazine for children called Friend with about 52 pages. The magazines are actual magazine size on quality magazine paper.
Compare with Jehovah's Witnesses. The Watchtower Study Edition 32 pages monthly. The Watchtower 16 pages bi-monthly, and Awake 16 pages bi-monthly. The magazines are smaller on thinner paper. The layout of the magazines reminds me more of the LDS youth and childrens' magazines layout.
The Mormons encourage getting an education so you can support your family and the church, encourage a mission of no more than two years, were first to start home family worship, encourage members to include those of other faiths and befriend them.
Yes the Mormons practice excommunication, but unlike Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons do not have a church doctrine of shunning. I spoke to a missionary once asking their policy on excommunicated members. They said they still speak to them, encourage them, study with them. Quite the opposite of Jehovah's Witnesses.
When listening to Jehovah's Witnesses talks it seems they all hing around Armageddon, shunning those who are disfellowshipped or disassociated, do not associate with non-Witnesses even family members, study articles why they should follow the governing body and trust them even if they don't agree, study articles on how Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth and how other religions do not. Making every prophecy in the Bible about them.
From the few Mormon sermons I've heard they do teach to follow the apostles to a degree but not as bad as the JW's do the governing body. The Mormon sermons seem more to teach love, follow Christ and God, study the scriptures, help those in need, even if they are not members. Reach out to non-members, etc.
I even find the Lds.org and Mormon.org websites more attractive than the simplified jw.org site. It's almost like two groups... the educated and non-educated. I'm sure you can figure out which religion falls in what category.
Well that's my thoughts for the day.
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Downtowner
Downtowner 3 months ago
Oh yes I almost forgot to mention... go to Mormon.org in the search box type "Jehovah's Witness" and you'll see testimonies of Mormons who mention they use to be Jehovah's Witnesses. Very interesting read.
 
the girl next door
the girl next door 3 months ago
Well, this should be interesting. I'm in a lot of cult exit groups and interact regularly with former CoLDS members. Not sure how many might be in this group but I'm sure there will be plenty to discuss. To begin with, what is the point in comparing which cult is better? Both practice behavior, information, thinking and emotional control. Screw them both.
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the truth is mine
the truth is mine 3 months ago

Much of my extended family belong to the LDS religion while my immediate family are all JWs (except me who is an ex JW and current atheist).
A few other details about Mormons. They tithe and if you do not give your 10% you are excluded from their sacred communion and all church assistance. They exclude nonbelievers from weddings which are held in their temples. They also have very strange temple rituals that are supposed to be kept secret among believers with temple recamends. They believe in laying on of hands and blessings for the weak, spiritually ill and the actual sick. They really credit blessings for healing. They are also very prejudice. Many of the diehards still believe the teaching about native Americans that as they gaine gods blessings they become white and delight-some. After they started to allow blacks into their priesthood in the 70s they amended their holy books to say pure and delight-some. They hate gays and are very vocal about it. They also have a confession system that while it does not involve Disfellowshiping, it does involve confession and atonement. Bishops (kind of like elders) will hear the confessions of young teens and ask very intrusive questions such as if they masturbate or if they have been involved in any kind of sexual activity. Their view on sex is extremely conservative maybe even more so then witnesses. They don't believe in using any type of birth control and if you do not get married after you return from a mission (for men) or before you finish college (for women) you are looked down on and will not get callings in the church. Couple are expected to start having babies almost immediately.
:Those are just a few of the details about the Mormons that I can think of right now. Some do mirror Witnesses so are way different but they are both cults who want to control.
One of the Governing body a few years ago was a Mormon previously or had close Mormon ties. I think it was Swingle. I met some of his extended family and was involved in a Judicial Meeting with one of them. My wife and I sometimes joke that he influenced a lot of the similarities. While he was dead by the time Family Worship began that is almost a total ripoff of the Mormon Family Home Evening.
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smiddy
smiddy 3 months ago

There are many so called Christian religions that sprang up in the 1800`s , just to mention a few ,Christian Science , Seventh Day Adventist , 2nd Adventists ,Christadelphian`s , Assembly Of God , etc.etc.as I said there are heaps more , most of them dealing with the End Times , very similar to J.W.s pre-occupation with The big " A"
AOG as they were then called had a free magazine that was superior in quality and content to the WT magazine which I stumbled upon in the 1950`s that had similar beliefs to the J.W.`s called " The Plain Truth"
As the girl next door says whats the point of comparing one with the other ? They are all Cults based on a fantasy , in my opinion .
smiddy
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SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass 3 months ago
It makes more sense comparing your turds - at least that can serve as a health benefit.
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Witness 007
Witness 007 3 months ago
Joesph Smith was given a book by angels....then they took it back. Jesus came to the USA and American indians are jewish.....lol religion!!
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SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass 3 months ago

Witness007:
Actually the angel Moroni never took the gold tablets back. He instructed JS to bury them and to this day they have not been found despite the area in which they were supposedly burried being heavily excavated for housing and businesses. And all those so-called "kingdoms" which existed in the US as claimed in the BOM - not one trace ever found of them despite repeated archeological efforts.
As for the stories in the BOM - if you thought the bible had nonsensical stories they don't hold a candle to the BOM. The only book Ive ever laughed harder at was perhaps a Douglas Adams book.
It astounds me how people can swallow such illogical BS.
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Simon
Simon 3 months ago

It's worth comparing them because many think their beliefs are unique and what make them "the one true faith".
Members don't realize that they are not and that they only exist because of schisms, splits and breakaways from other groups.
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LisaRose
LisaRose 3 months ago

The culture is very similar, a cult is a cult. They offer a few benefits that the JWs don't, they don't discourage higher education for one thing, but then they don't allow alcohol or coffee and they make you wear ugly underwear with symbols on them. When I was a JW I used to think they were so weird, and I couldn't understand how anyone could believe such nonsense, now I realize they are just different flavors of crazy, I am sure the Mormons think the same of the JWs.
My daughter in law is a former Mormon, she was on a mission when she realized she didn't believe in what she was teaching people. I have to say her parents are far more tolerant that the typical JW parent would be about it. Our granddaughter is getting baptized in the UCC church and her parents are flying across the country to attend, I can't imagine any JW parent doing that.
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Vidiot
Vidiot 3 months ago

I've said this before, but I view the LDS as the WTS's weirder but nicer older cousin.
(And Scientology as the WTS's crazier and meaner younger cousin.)
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Beth Sarim
Beth Sarim 3 months ago

Vidiot;
Nice analogy, love it,LOL
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Beth Sarim
Beth Sarim 3 months ago
All 3 the LDS, WBTS and Scientology all eerily similar in a way.
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kaik
kaik 3 months ago
My experience with LDS is rather negative. I view them more negatively than me growing in WT. I had experienced deep racism from Mormons against my coworkers even in this age. They are also anti-Semitic. As American born religion, it is very ethnographic and narrow minded.

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Downtowner
Downtowner 3 months ago

Thanks for everyone's comments! The Girl Next Door, the point of "comparing" the two religions is as I stated I enjoy studying different faiths and comparing the differences. It was something I noticed that popped in my head and thought I would share what I observed. Ya know, conversation.
In studying the LDS and JW religions during a time JW's are cutting back while the LDS church is moving forward. So if Jehovah is with a organization because of their growth, based on JW teachings, he must have taken his blessing away from Watchtower and put it on Mormons.

Yes Mormons do have strange practices and yes I agree they fall in the cult definition.

"To begin with, what is the point in comparing which cult is better?"
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Clambake
Clambake 3 months ago

I have seen a program once about the book of Mormon and how there is basically no archaeology evidence that anything in it has a lick of truth.
It is completely insane to me but general ly pretty harmless.
I cconsider things cults more on there destroying lives and families than actual theology.
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JWdaughter
JWdaughter 3 months ago

My best friend in HS was a Mormon. Later came out as gay and died of AIDS at 26. His service was held in a fully packed LDS church and he was surrounded by his family at the end.
That is what tells me of the critical differences between the two. Religion wise, they are both strange, I know what both believe and while the LDS has nutty doctrines, they are more of a lifestyle religion(the religion promotes family and life), where the JWs are about making sure no one does anything that doesn't promote the religion. Family is an accessory, and an unecessary one at that.
There were some wrong things earlier said about LDS. Women get callings even if they don't get married before getting out of college. Women can serve missions, too, but aren't expected to as the young men are.
Family planning, as long as it isn't an abortificant(?) is now acceptable. Premarital sex, not. People can come back from it easier than JWs, and it is kinda a job to get excommunicated as a mormon. You have to really piss off the powers that be. Which is why there are so many "jack" mormons. (I'd be the one drinking coffee unrepentently!)
No joke, the theology is whacked and probably more so than the JWs.(coffee???!!!) That racism was a part of it while slavery was unacceptable is odd, but I've seen both of them up close and personal, and if I was to hang around LDS or JWs, I personally think LDS are generally a lot nicer, kinder and more fun. I also see them helping others, LDS or not, Tithe payers or not. I don't see JWs helping anyone, not even each other, mostly. Their religious lives(LDS) are built around serving each other and helping others and that says more than their wacky theology IMO.
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kaik
kaik 3 months ago

JWDaugher, glad you pointed out your gay friend. I have exactly opposite experience. I know or knew gay couple not far from me. One of them was ex-Mormon, but died of natural causes at age 50+. He was with his partner for very long time and started to suffer with various debilitating issues due diabetes on his feet. Had heart attack, etc. Nobody from his Mormon family came to visit him once, nor attended his funeral. However, they arrived with moving truck with idea that everything he owned will be theirs. I am not kidding. Glad the state had approved SSM year earlier, and family was out of luck. So after a lot of argument with the surviving spouse, they got old peace furniture from their grandma and left.
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Downtowner
Downtowner 3 months ago

Clambake, you made a good point. That is why they say pray to Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit will tell you if it is true or not. That is more important than historical evidence. So why does the scriptures say test what you are hearing is true? To me a form of testing is to research the history, and in the LDS case, the archeology.
There is a good film out there called Latter Days. It's about this Mormon Missionary who ends up coming out of the closet as gay and faces excommunication and the ordeal he has to go through with his parents. His father distances himself from the family spending most of his time at the church, the mother falls apart yelling at her son. He is brought before a 'court' (their version of JW judicial committee) and formally excommunicated. Just to let you know if you do watch it it;s rated R with some gay love scenes in but they are accurate in a lot of ways by showing the Missionary with his 'magic' underwear. Growing up a JW I saw a huge parallel in how the guy was treated vs. how JW's treat their own who do not agree.

Mormons may not destroy lives to the extent the JW's do (Like breaking up families by encouraging JW members not to socialize with non-JW/excommunicated family) but it is there if one decides to leave the church. They may not have a church practice of shunning but all church rites are stripped and the emotional impact is just as bad on families. I saw the LDS 'true colors' when the LDS church supported Proposition 8 in California a few years ago and most recently it's public announcement for same sex couples who were married with children at home who are wanting to join the LDS church could not get baptized until they were of mature age (18 in the USA) and renounce their same sex parents.
In my opinion, any religion that says you have to believe a certain way or threatens you with excommunication is enough to define it a cult. I was watching an LDS sermon once and the 'apostle' even stated that one of the ways a member can get excommunicated is by teaching doctrines that aren't true (aka true according to LDS theology). He even mentioned the word apostasy in his sermon. The cult red flat raised so fast it flew off the pole after watching that sermon.
Think about it... if a church is spiritually strong, why do they need to silence those who may teach something that is not in line with the church teachings? Only if they are trying to hide something.
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LevelThePlayingField
LevelThePlayingField 3 months ago

Downtowner you said, "Think about it... if a church is spiritually strong, why do they need to silence those who may teach something that is not in line with the church teachings? Only if they are trying to hide something."
I agree. JW's will say, But even the Bible says at Titus 1:9, to "reprove those who contradict". And yes that's true. But JW's always go beyond what is written and then throw out of the congregation those who contradict. The Bible doesn't say to throw you out, it just says to reprove. And the thing is that most of the time it's NOT contradicting the Bible that's the issue, it's man made policy that's harmful to people. Like the have to have two people as witnesses to a pedophile case in order to establish it. If no two witnesses the matter is dropped and the perp goes on terrorizing. If you persist in asking for a change in this policy you will get thrown out.
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JWdaughter 3 months ago
No doubt they are both cults. I have seen people leave both and how they are treated. I guess all we have are really anecdotal experiences. Mine are simply more positive with one cult than another:) Now lets go to starbucks.
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Downtowner 3 months ago

Yeeessss, Starbucks with the controversial cup and let's grab the controversial Reeses LOL!!
Actually I'm currently drinking a Chi Tea Latte... my favorite! I guess I'm going to hell hahaha!
 
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JWdaughter 3 months ago

Reeses are controversial too? I've been craving one since my son brought a bag of Reeses christmas trees home tonite. Now I have to go swipe one. With my earl grey. Its nearly midnight. NOT helpful:smile:
Whats the story with REeses? I am kind of contrary.I kind of like pissing off ridiculous people with insane things that offend them. Like red coffee cups sold by zionists who hate christmas/islam/clean cut baristas.(I can't think of one unbearded male barista lately. What's that all about? Are they all proving they aren't JW or ??)
edited to say-I think I am getting slap happy. Probably should skip the tea.
If you are the guy in Houston, check with me after the new year, I should be home by then.
 
dozy
dozy 3 months ago

Reading sites like http://www.exmormon.org helped me a lot while I was leaving JWs as it showed me from a different perspective people exiting a not dis-similar cult.
I occasionally have a chat with an ex-Mormon in my home town & it is remarkable how much we have in common. Though he isn't institutionally shunned by his extended family , he is very much disapproved & largely cut off from family activities- I guess the equivalent to the treatment usually given to JW faders.
Essentially most of these groups are the same - formed by a charismatic wealthy man in mid / late 1800's USA and morphed into a worldwide organisation led by a small group of (mainly ) American deluded white men who think they are divinely appointed by God & give their own interpretation of scripture and make it binding on their followers.
They expect them to perform unpaid corporate activities ( tithing / JW preaching etc ) to prove their "godliness". The basic formula with all these groups is the same - just a few different tweaks here & there over the years as the Organisations have evolved and adapted.
 
Vidiot
Vidiot 3 months ago
Maybe it can be even more easily summarized with the question, "Given a choice, who would you rather hang out with? A JW, or a Mormon?"
 

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forgive me if this has been covered before but i haven't seen anything about it recently.. in exploring the two faiths, mormons vs. jehovah's witnesses, which were both founded in the 1800s with the mormons being slightly a slightly older religion it seems mormons is a more attractive religion than jehovah's witnesses.
do not get me wrong, i'm not looking at joining the mormon church.
but i still enjoy studying other faiths and different belief systems.



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Mythbuster 6 years ago

MICHAEL Jackson's children are to pour out their hearts about how his death has changed their lives.
Prince Michael, 13, Paris, 12, and Prince Michael II, eight - known as Blanket - will read from their personal journals in a private memorial.
Each of the King of Pop's kids will speak in turn at a Jehovah's Witness meeting hall where Jacko's mum Katherine, father Joe and other relatives have worshipped for more than two decades.
Jacko, who died from an overdose of the hospital anaesthetic propofol on June 25 last year, was brought up as a strict devotee of the religion, although he rarely attended meetings in later years.
This week's service to commemorate the anniversary of his death was Katherine's idea. But it was Prince Michael who volunteered to share his memories.
Elders at the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Northridge, near the Jackson family mansion in the LA suburb of Encino, at first asked Katherine if the children were ready for such an ordeal.
"Prince Michael told her he wanted to do this for his dad," said a close source yesterday. "And he said Paris and Blanket were also ready to speak at length in public for the first time."
Paris touched the world's heart during a memorial service at LA's Staples Centre last year when she tearfully declared on stage: "I love you, dad."
She and Prince Michael also gave brief speeches after a tribute to Jackson at the Grammy Awards in January. But neither has spoken publicly about their father since.
"There is absolutely no pressure on them to speak," an elder at Kingdom Hall told the Daily Star Sunday. "But they have all indicated they wish to do so.
"This is incredibly courageous of them, especially in the case of Blanket, who has never shared his feelings with anyone but his siblings and closest relatives.
"I find it very moving that the children want to do this. Their grandmother is very proud of them, as I am sure are the millions of fans who loved their father."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/140593/Proud-kids-tribute-to-dad-Jacko/
 
RebeccaChi
RebeccaChi 6 years ago

WTF?????!!!!!! I'm disfellowshiped. Would the Kingdom Hall have a memorial for me?????!!!! I find this very interesting. Did the Daily Star get this right about having it in the Kingdom Hall? And the elders, C.O., beth-hell are allowing this??? I was also born into this FUBAR of a religion, baptized at a young age and abused by a parent. Oh . . . . wait a minute . . . . I'm not known world-wide and I don't have millions that can be donated to the society. I would actually be shocked if the society allows this "memorial" to take place, really shocked if it is in a Kingdom Hall.
 
Black Sheep
Black Sheep 6 years ago

That has to be a scam or some Elders are in deep doo doo
 
lesabre
lesabre 6 years ago

plus.... there's NO WAY there would be anything at the KH to remember the anniversary of ANYONE's death (besides Jesus).... wouldn't they consider that to be "worship of the dead" or something??? weird.
 
nelly136
nelly136 6 years ago

how many more funerals/memorials does he need? (private service.....so private its in the rags PR PR PR kerrrrching)
an average jw is lucky to even get a mention at their own infomercial.
perhaps the bethel coach tours could start up a neverland pilgrimage with their bethel tours package, and the borg could do a full spread in the watchtower and add earthsong to the song list at a convention or two for good measure.
 
steve2
steve2 6 years ago

I simply do not believe that such a memorial service would ever be held in a kingdom hall whose congregation was in good standing with the Watchtower Society. Therewell could be a memorial service - but in a kingdom hall???? No way!!!!
 
Mythbuster
Mythbuster 6 years ago

How reputable is the Daily Star? Is it like The Enquirer in the US? I got this tidbit from Google Alerts.
 
chickpea
chickpea 6 years ago

what a departure from precedent!
i remember a "sister", 2nd generation,
related to half the congro (srsly, one of
5 kids, most of whom were married w/kids)
being told she could NOT use the KH for her
wedding cos the "bro" had only been baptized
for 6 months....
jesus tapdancing christ!
that california branch is
one helluva liberal ordnung!
 

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by Dogpatch 11 years ago 2 Replies latest 8 years ago   jw friends
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LATEST PROGRAMS!
 VH1 Program-Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood
Michael Jackson's life is on the line in front a California judge. But no matter the outcome of his trial on child molestation charges, the gap between how the world views Michael and how he sees himself has never been wider. In this special, VH1 News explains how the beloved child entertainer became such a bizarre public figure. The answers lie in Michael Jackson's Secret Childhood. VH1 News has examined the singer's upbringing and found a life filled with abuse, hard labor, relentless ambition, and conflict between his religious upbringing and growing fame. Beginning with Jackson's birth in 1958 to the record-breaking success of his Thriller album in 1984, the special delves deep into Jackson's past, such as the mental and physical abuse he endured from his father, Joe Jackson (e.g., incessant rehearsals, whippings, calling Michael "big nose"); Joe exorcised his frustrations over his own failed musical career by exploiting his musically gifted children - especially Michael - by forcing them to perform in seedy bars and strip joints from Indiana to Ohio. At the same time, the proselytizing of his mother Katherine - a devout Jehovah's Witness - confused Michael about singing, sex and family secrets.
This show opens the doors to the Jackson family homes in Gary , Indiana and Encino , CA , to uncover bizarre, never-before-seen home movies of Michael dancing with Emmanuel Lewis and cavorting with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. In exclusive interviews, viewers are introduced to Michael's first "little friend" the child actor Rodney Allen Rippey. Other interviews include former CBS Records music mogul Walter Yetnikoff, the man responsible for Michael pursuing a solo music career, but knew him since his childhood years as a member of the Jackson 5, Tatiana Thumbtzen, Michael's co-star from "The Way you Make Me Feel" video who tells her tale of unrequited love for the shy pop star, and Teresa J. Gonsalves, a childhood pen pal who got to see a side of Michael that very few were privileged to see. These people, along with celebrity family therapists, biographers and religion experts, all offer their theories about the man whose public antics have become a national obsession.

Watch Program Michael's Secret Childhood
Extensive video of Michael Jackson's life [click here]
Read Transcript here Transcript Part one Transcript Part two
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Silentlambs Summit Press Coverage [Click Here] (2-04)
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2003 District Convention Talk on abuse issue, "Beware the Voice of Strangers" Transcript 1  Transcript 2 Listen 1  Another version given in Hawaii Listen 2
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 New Video of silentlambs march in Brooklyn New York on September 27. 2002. We also now have a complete video of the "March" one hour in length email silentlambs for information on how to purchase. [click here] to watch the website video.
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CBS EVENING NEWS ! Week of 04/28/03
See Transcript and Video
Spanish Transcript
William H. Bowen along with three JW abuse survivors interviewed on the CBS EVENING NEWS with Dan Rather.
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Bowen Interview
04/03
 Above is a link to a recent interview on the child abuse issue.
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CBS EVENING NEWS ! See Transcript and CBS WebVideo Video  Spanish Transcript
William H. Bowen along with three JW abuse survivors interviewed on the CBS EVENING NEWS with Jane Clayson. (04/28//03)
NBC Dateline-Witness to the Prosecution-Read Transcript  Spanish Transcript view Video- A Video- B

DATELINE Correspondent John Larson spoke with victims, their families, and former church officials. JR Brown states. "We have a very aggressive policy on child abuse." A young sister is given death threats from her local congregation after reporting a confessed child molester. William H. Bowen uses term "Pedophile Paradise" for the first time to media.
(05/28/2002 )


CNN/Connie Chung-Read Transcript Spanish Transcript view Video
See an interview with sexual abuse survivors Heidi Meyer, Amber Long and former elder William H. Bowen by Connie Chung. Bowen calls Watchtower PR statement a bald faced lie. (08/14/2002)


BBC/Panorama-Suffer The Little Children-Read Transcript  Spanish Transcript view Video-A  Video-B

Panorama tells the harrowing story of a young woman who was molested after her father was publicly reproved for molesting her sister three years earlier. Governing Body member Ted Jaracz, quotes scripture as he tells the BBC to go to hell when asked about evidence of a database of members suspected of child abuse - many of whom have never been reported to the police. (07/14/2002 )
BBC Panorama Live Forums [Monday, 15 July, 2002]
Jehovah's Witnesses: child abuse policy (REAL Media Format)
Article on BBC Panorama Website


Australia/Sunday Program-Silent Witnesses-Read Transcript Spanish Translation view Video-A Video-B
The District Convention speaker for Jehovah's Witnesses accuses the media of demonism. A brother molests forty little boys as elders and the Branch Overseer demonstrates effective use of theocratic warfare. (09/22/2002 )

 German Program/WDR-The End of Silence-Read Transcript  Spanish Transcript view Video (German language)
Watchtower Branch in Selters was interviewed extensively for this program when it was discovered that conclusive evidence was being presented they withdrew their interview. A seventeen year old Jehovah's Witness is stopped from suicide after she finds silentlambs. (02/16/2003 )


 Denmark Program/DTV2-Silent Children-Read Transcript Spanish Transcript view Video
A young Jehovah's Witness girl was raped at the age of twelve, when she became pregnant and gave birth her father murdered the baby. He remains a JW in good standing. (11/24/2002 )


 Canada Program/CBC-Spiritual Shepherds-Read Transcript  view Video French Dubbed Video
A young man was raped by his Ministerial Servant bible study conductor who now continues in the door to door work. A policewoman says the elders were negligent and home office lawyers tell her it is none of her business regarding reporting when a child is molested. (01/26/2003 )
 German Program-Protecting the Perpetrator Comes First-Read Transcript Spanish transcript
One of the first programs after Dateline, the German Branch Overseer stated to the program that "I don't know of any cases of child molestation here in Germany ." This was before he knew of the Jehovah's Witness abuse survivors interviewed on the program. (06/16/02 )
Slovenia Program-POPTV-Read Transcript Spanish Transcript view Video
Interview with abuse survivors and a Watchtower spokesman that states there is no place written where it says not to report to police after the reporter read it to him from the Elder Manuel he had no comment. (10/12/02 )
svt.se Sweden/STV/Assignment-Investigate-"Do Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Pedophiles?" Video A  Video B
Watchtower takes out thousands of dollars on newspaper ads to discredit a brother who spoke out on abuse and use the testimony of the pedophile to provide their information, review the letter sent to the victims mother HERE.
Another update! [click here] (05/12/03)
(04/08/03 ) CLICK HERE for latest info also review guestbook for comments about program.
J. R. Brown JW-Media-We Admit No Wrong-Read Transcript Spanish Transcript view Video
The Jehovah Witness website features interviews with key people in which they state, "The policy that Jehovah's Witnesses have on how to handle cases of child molestation is without equal in the religious community ." The original comments are found in the posted transcript, the video has since been changed to stay what it does now.
2002 Interview with JR Brown on abuse issue audio Listen
Radio Interview JR Brown Listen
God Show JR Brown Listen 1 Listen 2   Listen 3 Listen 4 Transcript
Elders School 2002 audio "Proper Handling of Judicial Matters"
 Interview with William H. Bowen about the abuse issue and current Watchtower response.- View Video
(04/04/03)
NEWS STORIES ACROSS THE USA
Dallas, TX NBC 2002
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Seattle CBS 2002
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St. Louis NBC 2003
Video
Evansville, IN ABC 2002
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Las Vegas, NV ABC NBC CBS 2003
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Silentlambs March in Brooklyn, NY (09/02)
Newscast of silentlambs March (Audio)  VIDEO
Video footage of silentlambs March (dinner afterwards)
Additional video of silentlambs March


Pictures
Pictures of Judicial Hearings CNN, Silentlambs March, German interview, UK interview
Pictures of Las Vegas Press Conference, CBS News interview, SNAP Conference, WT in court, Lambs to Protect Kids
Pictures from Dateline program Download pics
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Audio
Erica Garza court Testimony [2001] [Real Audio Format]
Erica Testimony in Real player one format
Dateline NBC
Audio Clip
Transcript (HTML)
Silentlambs March in Brooklyn, NY
March to Bethel (765k audio)
Arrival and Introductions (752k audio)
Courage Awards (2.2M audio)
Non-JW advocates Speak Out (1.3M audio)
Survivors Speak Out (A) (575k audio)
Survivors Speak Out (B) (1.3M audio) (Ted Jaracz accused of molestation)
Special Delivery (164k audio)
Conclusion (301k audio)
Channel 11 Newscast (372k audio)
William H. Bowen Television Interview
Evansville WFIE TV recording.html


Radio Interview
Radio Interview: Mark Fuhrman-William H. Bowen (01/03) Read Transcript
Radio Interview: Mark Fuhrman-Wiliam H. Bowen (02/03)
Radio Interview: Meria Hellar-William H. Bowen (04/02)
 
JustTickledPink
JustTickledPink 11 years ago

I finally saw the VH1 special last night and it was really great. Just interjecting that he was a JW will taint a lot of viewers who know nothing more than just that.
 
TweetieBird
TweetieBird 8 years ago

This was just re-aired recently and I got to see it, somehow missed it the first time around. Wow...between Michael's abusive father and being brought up in a sexually repressed religion, no wonder he's so screwed up. My heart really went out to him. Bill Bowen did a nice job I thought.
 

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The Irony: Prince Caused Religious Problems for Teenage Jackson
by GoddessRachel 8 years ago 7 Replies latest 8 years ago   social current
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GoddessRachel 8 years ago

I just find this so ironic, don't you:

http://www.pr-inside.com/prince-caused-religious-problems-for-r430202.htm
PRINCE CAUSED RELIGIOUS PROBLEMS FOR TEENAGE JACKSON
2008-02-09 15:30:10 -
JANET JACKSON had to switch seats when she first saw PRINCE live - because she couldn't bear to watch the sexy star perform while sitting next to her God-fearing mother.
The Nasty singer was just a teenager when she begged her mother Katherine - a devout Jehovah's Witness, for tickets to see her hero.
Mum agreed her daughter could go to the show, but insisted on chaperoning her.
Jackson tells Parade.com, "Being a Jehovah's Witness, you grow up in a very religious world. But, as a kid, I loved Prince and The Time - one of my favourite groups.
"I would listen to them all the time, even though you're not supposed to do that. When I was 16, I was promoting my first album and I went with Mother to see The Time's concert with Prince.
"I did not want to sit next to Mother because I knew they were dirty. I was trying to be cool and calm, but oh my God, I was sweating bullets: `She's going to think, Good Lord, what is my baby into? She really needs more of God in her life! Where did I go wrong?' I could just hear Mother blaming herself for everything! "Luckily, I got someone else to swap seats with me so I was able to enjoy the show." Ironically, Prince was the leading chart rival of Janet's brother Michael throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
 
MissingLink
MissingLink 8 years ago

Hold on - I thought Janet WAS Michael.
 
Homerovah the Almighty
Homerovah the Almighty 8 years ago

I used to like her as an performer, until that stupid incident at the Super Bowl, and didn't her career fall to the ground after that .
I think they are both out of control egotists , which throws a deliberate crutch at their personality and character, even hard line religion wasn't able to help them.
 
GoddessRachel
GoddessRachel 8 years ago

I just thought it was a little ironic that as a "JW" teenager Janet Jackson went to see Prince with her JW mom, and didn't want to sit by her mom during the show because she knew it would be a show her JW mom would not approve of, and now all these years Prince is a "JW."
But maybe that's just me.
I don't think Janet and Michael are the same person.
I do think that "wardrobe malfunction" was very bad for business for Janet.
 
Gopher
Gopher 8 years ago

Rachel, have you ever seen Michael and Janet in the same room?
Prince wasn't a JW until 2001, so he was still doing his funky-sexy stuff in the 1980's when teenage Janet went to his concert. For a while, before Prince moved from Minnesota he toned down his act (like from an "R" to a "PG" rating). I don't know how strong a JW is he is these days, though. His 2007 Super Bowl show was more geared toward adults (to put it mildly).
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/128688/2279194/post.ashx#2279194
 
95stormfront
95stormfront 8 years ago

Well....there's a running rumour in JW circles that the mighty prince has been df'd. As they describe it, he's been kicked to the curb.
 
GoddessRachel
GoddessRachel 8 years ago

Well....there's a running rumour in JW circles that the mighty prince has been df'd. As they describe it, he's been kicked to the curb.
I didn't even know he was baptized. I just know JW's went gaga over the whole thing. Gopher, I know he wasn't a Witness until 2001. I just thought the article was ironic. Guess it's all a little too obscure for the general folk here.
 
dinah
dinah 8 years ago

If the mighty Prince has been kicked to the curb, maybe he'll get back to doing what he does best------making me horny.
 

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