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carla
carla 10 years ago

Your own literature says it is not persecution to let others know about false religions. Why are you so unaware of your own literature? Your policy on pedophile is enough to turn most people's stomache, that alone keeps most people leery to the jw's, as they should be. If you do nothing to change the disgusting policy yourself then you must agree with it.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

There are hundreds of active JW sites,blogs and pages that have been linked to knocking.org for some time this is compelling prima facie evidence that it's a pro watchtower cult puff piece.
So i will treat it accordingly.-Danny Haszard
 
Sunspot
Sunspot 10 years ago



 Carla said ***"Your own literature says it is not persecution to let others know about false religions. Why are you so unaware of your own literature?"
I think it should be asked of Pixie person...why are your "spiritual leaders" so very AWARE of their past literature---that it must attempt to hide and suppress what they wrote and clamed was "from GOD"?
To try and sue someone for merely printing what THEY TAUGHT AS TRUTH....speaks volumes about the crediblity and honesty of the WTS. They stink and IT stinks....IF ya get my drift.
Carla then said***Your policy on pedophile is enough to turn most people's stomache, that alone keeps most people leery to the jw's, as they should be. If you do nothing to change the disgusting policy yourself then you must agree with it.
Nahhh, the sleazy slimy subhuman worms of the WTS cult have been able to hide their sins quite nicely what with all their trickster and shyster lawyers and weasel-word policies. The DO NOT WANT to change, much less stand accountable for all the steaming piles of dung they have hidden under those lovely rugs at Brooklyn HQs.
They are ENJOYING putting things over on the unsuspecting sheep that volunteer everything they HAVE to their most despicable and idolized "spiritual leaders".
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago



Persistence pays for Saginawian in 'Knocking'
The Saginaw News, MI - 12 minutes ago
 ... minute film, "Knocking.". It's about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the group's surprising and untold role in American society. "I wanted ...
Persistence pays for Saginawian in 'Knocking'
Saturday, March 18, 2006 JANET I. MARTINEAU THE SAGINAW NEWS It was his upbringing in Saginaw, says Joel P. Engardio, that made him tough enough to become an award-winning journalist whose first documentary is playing film festivals and soon will air on a nationwide PBS series. "My mom took me door-to-door throughout Saginaw and that made me tough, having doors slammed in your face time after time, and having people siccing dogs on you," explains the 33-year-old, who lives in San Francisco. In fact, that evolved into the name of his 63-minute film, "Knocking It's about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the group's surprising and untold role in American society. "I wanted to tell a story about how fundamentalist religion and civic society can peacefully co-exist," says Engardio, a 1990 Arthur Hill High School graduate, "and maybe even benefit from each other. "America was founded on freedom of religion, yet that is what divides us the most right now. I wanted to make a difference about that. I wanted to raise awareness." Engardio's mother, you see, was a Jehovah's Witness in a family of Roman Catholics and she took her son along with her knocking on doors to spread the word. He went, he says, but never joined that religion. What he did do was gather respect for its practices by seeing them in a different light, in the process gathering material for what became "Knocking." Friday at 7 p.m. it plays the East Lansing Film Festival on the campus of Michigan State University, its third such event with a fourth booked next month. And somewhere between October and next April it will air nationwide on PBS' "Independent Lens" series. His mother, Mary Engardio, still lives in Saginaw, along with 92-year-old grandmother Eunice Engardio, both in Saginaw Township. Engardio is both a print and film journalist. He worked as an associate producer for ABC News and its "20/20" and "Turning Point" newsmagazines and has written for the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, Newsweek and the Boston Globe. Back in high school he covered sports for The Saginaw News, and went on to get his journalism "I applied four times to get a grant from PBS to make 'Knocking' and was turned down three times. I was always a finalist, so I never gave up." The fourth time was the charm, and he was awarded the grant in August 2004 and then spent a year and a half making and helping to edit "Knocking." He served as the co-director, wrote the script and narrates it. Getting the grant means all the various PBS series then take a look at the finished product and decide where it fits best among the network's many shows. "Independent Lens" picked it. In the meantime, he says, "Knocking" is allowed to play the film festival circuit. At the first two stops, he says, in Reno and Cleveland, it was well received and played more than it was scheduled. Engardio calls Jehovah's Witnesses and the members' practice of knocking on doors "a necessary annoyance of a free society" and his film documents the surprising civil liberty role the sect has played in shaping our free society. Its members have gone before the U.S. Supreme Court 46 times -- more than any other group. They may not vote or fight or pledge allegiance to the flag, but they do litigate. Engardio tells his story through two American citizens -- Joseph Kempler, a Polish-born Jewish Holocaust survivor who converted to the faith when he saw Jehovah's Witnesses become martyrs as they spoke out against Hitler and went to their deaths willingly in concentration camps, and 23-year-old Seth Thomas of Texas, who needs a liver transplant to survive and who challenges and helps change the medical community when he insists on bloodless surgery. Engardio met Kempler when he worked for ABC's "Turning Point" and kept him in mind. He went in search of Thomas by calling every medical complex he could think of until he found the perfect patient.  "And we filmed the surgery not knowing if he would survive it or not. We were going to tell the story no matter the outcome. Finding him was a case of old-fashioned reporting; using up a lot of shoe leather to cover the organ transplant field at a frontier point on bloodless surgery
 "I selected compelling people to tell this story, and we even went to Europe with Kempler and his two families, one Jewish and the other Jehovah's Witness." All told, Engardio and his crew shot 200 hours of film "so obviously a lot of what we shot did not make it, and that is the wonder of DVDs. The DVD version of this is done and contains three more hours of material -- what I call expert interviews with civil liberty lawyers, medical ethicists, rabbis. There's even a nine-minute short film in it about a 2002 Supreme Court case in Ohio." It is Engardio's hope that DVD will play classrooms and community screenings wherever it can, maybe in 20-minute segments, and spur discussions about its content. "I like to attend those screenings, too, and do questions and answers. This is a film that can affect doctors and teachers. Every teacher has a Jehovah's Witness kid in class. And beyond the PBS airing I hope it finds a life internationally." Jehovah's Witness members are banned in 28 countries, his documentary notes. "What I like is that at the film festivals where it has played so far, both sides seem to like it -- the Jehovah's Witnesses who come and the skeptical people. So that must mean I did a fair piece that does not promote or denigrate the religion." For more information on the East Lansing Film Festival, go to www.elff.com For more on "Knocking" go to www.knocking.org 
--------- Remember-You just can't fool all the people all the time,you can only fool all of the people some of the time,or some of the people all of the time.Danny Haszard-'expert witness on the Jehovah Witness'
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago



Persistence pays for Saginawian in 'Knocking'
The Saginaw News, MI - 12 minutes ago
 ... minute film, "Knocking.". It's about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the group's surprising and untold role in American society. "I wanted ...
Persistence pays for Saginawian in 'Knocking'
Saturday, March 18, 2006 JANET I. MARTINEAU THE SAGINAW NEWS It was his upbringing in Saginaw, says Joel P. Engardio, that made him tough enough to become an award-winning journalist whose first documentary is playing film festivals and soon will air on a nationwide PBS series. "My mom took me door-to-door throughout Saginaw and that made me tough, having doors slammed in your face time after time, and having people siccing dogs on you," explains the 33-year-old, who lives in San Francisco. In fact, that evolved into the name of his 63-minute film, "Knocking It's about the Jehovah's Witnesses and the group's surprising and untold role in American society. "I wanted to tell a story about how fundamentalist religion and civic society can peacefully co-exist," says Engardio, a 1990 Arthur Hill High School graduate, "and maybe even benefit from each other. "America was founded on freedom of religion, yet that is what divides us the most right now. I wanted to make a difference about that. I wanted to raise awareness." Engardio's mother, you see, was a Jehovah's Witness in a family of Roman Catholics and she took her son along with her knocking on doors to spread the word. He went, he says, but never joined that religion. What he did do was gather respect for its practices by seeing them in a different light, in the process gathering material for what became "Knocking." Friday at 7 p.m. it plays the East Lansing Film Festival on the campus of Michigan State University, its third such event with a fourth booked next month. And somewhere between October and next April it will air nationwide on PBS' "Independent Lens" series. His mother, Mary Engardio, still lives in Saginaw, along with 92-year-old grandmother Eunice Engardio, both in Saginaw Township. Engardio is both a print and film journalist. He worked as an associate producer for ABC News and its "20/20" and "Turning Point" newsmagazines and has written for the Los Angeles Times, the New York Times, Newsweek and the Boston Globe. Back in high school he covered sports for The Saginaw News, and went on to get his journalism "I applied four times to get a grant from PBS to make 'Knocking' and was turned down three times. I was always a finalist, so I never gave up." The fourth time was the charm, and he was awarded the grant in August 2004 and then spent a year and a half making and helping to edit "Knocking." He served as the co-director, wrote the script and narrates it. Getting the grant means all the various PBS series then take a look at the finished product and decide where it fits best among the network's many shows. "Independent Lens" picked it. In the meantime, he says, "Knocking" is allowed to play the film festival circuit. At the first two stops, he says, in Reno and Cleveland, it was well received and played more than it was scheduled. Engardio calls Jehovah's Witnesses and the members' practice of knocking on doors "a necessary annoyance of a free society" and his film documents the surprising civil liberty role the sect has played in shaping our free society. Its members have gone before the U.S. Supreme Court 46 times -- more than any other group. They may not vote or fight or pledge allegiance to the flag, but they do litigate. Engardio tells his story through two American citizens -- Joseph Kempler, a Polish-born Jewish Holocaust survivor who converted to the faith when he saw Jehovah's Witnesses become martyrs as they spoke out against Hitler and went to their deaths willingly in concentration camps, and 23-year-old Seth Thomas of Texas, who needs a liver transplant to survive and who challenges and helps change the medical community when he insists on bloodless surgery. Engardio met Kempler when he worked for ABC's "Turning Point" and kept him in mind. He went in search of Thomas by calling every medical complex he could think of until he found the perfect patient.  "And we filmed the surgery not knowing if he would survive it or not. We were going to tell the story no matter the outcome. Finding him was a case of old-fashioned reporting; using up a lot of shoe leather to cover the organ transplant field at a frontier point on bloodless surgery
 "I selected compelling people to tell this story, and we even went to Europe with Kempler and his two families, one Jewish and the other Jehovah's Witness." All told, Engardio and his crew shot 200 hours of film "so obviously a lot of what we shot did not make it, and that is the wonder of DVDs. The DVD version of this is done and contains three more hours of material -- what I call expert interviews with civil liberty lawyers, medical ethicists, rabbis. There's even a nine-minute short film in it about a 2002 Supreme Court case in Ohio." It is Engardio's hope that DVD will play classrooms and community screenings wherever it can, maybe in 20-minute segments, and spur discussions about its content. "I like to attend those screenings, too, and do questions and answers. This is a film that can affect doctors and teachers. Every teacher has a Jehovah's Witness kid in class. And beyond the PBS airing I hope it finds a life internationally." Jehovah's Witness members are banned in 28 countries, his documentary notes. "What I like is that at the film festivals where it has played so far, both sides seem to like it -- the Jehovah's Witnesses who come and the skeptical people. So that must mean I did a fair piece that does not promote or denigrate the religion." For more information on the East Lansing Film Festival, go to www.elff.com For more on "Knocking" go to www.knocking.org 
--------- Remember-You just can't fool all the people all the time,you can only fool all of the people some of the time,or some of the people all of the time.Danny Haszard-'expert witness on the Jehovah Witness'
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

WE ARE INDEPENDENT




film, either on camera or behind the scenes, has done so by their own
personal choice. There is no official connection to the Watchtower Society, though the Bethel organization in Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill,
New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film. We interviewed Watchtower representatives on camera and filmed inside Bethel.
Watchtower has no financial ties to this project, nor any editorial
control. It is important to know that this project is independently
produced for public television, using a combination of public, foundation and
individual funds. No one on the production staff is a Jehovah's
Witness. The director's mother, however, is a Witness. And we do have
Jehovah's Witnesses who are serving as consultants for factual accuracy. We
also have academic, historical and medical consultants who are experts in
their field but not Jehovah's Witnesses.
Earlier disclaimer
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

M live Mich newspaper contact form http://www.mlive.com/contactus/ Remember this,no matter how much Watchtower cult followers lie,connive and endeavor to 'put themselves in a good light' they will still all grow old and die (unsaved?)
Notice:all Jehovah's Witnesses who have already died are all still dead
 
moshe
moshe 10 years ago

Danny I just posted this reply to your forum topic in the Saginaw paper. Mine was the #1 reply-
I agree with Danny. I spent 16 years as a Jehovah's Witness,and I had many leadership positions in the Kingdom Hall. Personally, it was not a happy time for my family and differences in opinion on JW doctrine led to my wife divorcing me after I resigned from the Watchtower oraganiztion. I was not willing to abide by the Watchtower's ban on blood transfusions. If my children needed a transfusion to save their life ,I was willing to sign for it. My wife disagreed and was willing to let them die, rather than receive a blood transfusion. It would not be an exaggeration to say that thousands of children have died because of this confused teaching. Jehovah's Witnesses used to ban organ transplants ,too until 25 years ago. Many Witnesses died for lack of ,say a kidney transplant because of that dogma. AND when they reversed their ban on organ transplants, they never said "we're sorry" to all the families who lost a loved on due to the Watchtower ban on organ transplants. Beware- Watchtower teachings can result in your premature death!
 My own children for many years were taught to view their father as evil and worthy of death. Today, my ex-wife and children have all abandoned the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. Anyone who spends 30 minutes talking to a former member of Jehovah's witnesses will find out the real story. I have no agenda to convert anyone, I'm Jewish today , I just don't want any family to be tricked by Jehovah's Witnesses. The world's biggest oxymoron is -"Jehovahs Witness Truth"!
 
SickofLies
SickofLies 10 years ago

Don't be fooled by Watchtower apologists in disguise, this is a real threat. Remember we are in an information warfare campaign with the WTS. This is clearly an attempt by the JW's to use an outsider they have influence over to put out a piece of their own propaganda crap to soften public perception of them to increase their ministry effort and enslave more minds. This is theocratic warfare at it’s best, note that if the WTS does indeed have finical ties or other interests in investing in this film they are NOT directly responsible for any lies that may be in the description of the film as they are put there by a non-JW! I would not be suprised if after this film is released that the film maker recieves a (pre??) gaurenteed order from the WTS to supply all the congregations with. The mere fact that its being prepared in other languages show the producer knows he has a prearanged market for them. This must be faught!

NO GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS FILM! EVEN THE DISCRIPTION IS MISLEADING AND HARMFUL!
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Danny I just posted this reply to your forum topic in the Saginaw paper
Your my kind of activist!
 
John Doe
John Doe 10 years ago

Here's the bio off of the knocking site.
Joel P. Engardio was the recipient of the 2000 National Press Foundation award for science writing. In 2003, the Society of Professional Journalists named Engardio best opinion writer in Northern California. He was a finalist for the University of Missouri's 1999 national lifestyle writing awards in multicultural journalism. Engardio has written for the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, San Francisco Weekly, Newsweek, Boston Globe, Christian Science Monitor and P.O.V. magazine. In television, Engardio worked as an associate producer for ABC News at the newsmagazine 20/20 and the network's documentary unit, Turning Point. He graduated from Michigan State University with a dual B.A. degree in journalism and history. Engardio was raised a Jehovah's Witness in Michigan, but never joined the religion. His mother is the only Jehovah's Witness in his Catholic family. Engardio currently lives in San Francisco.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Engardio was raised a Jehovah's Witness in Michigan, but never joined the religion






 Dubious disclaimer paradox.This is the thing with them denial (lying)i s the order of the day,this way anything goes because technically he ain't a dub,same with my peers growing up some where smart and clever not to get dunked so they were untouchables.
A center piece of this film is of course the Nazi persecution after +60 years they are still using it to exalt their cult.Hello! 55 million humans perished in WW II including the young men and women who died in battle to liberate the Jehovah's Witnesses interned in the death camps because Rutherfords's double-crossing Hitler put them there in the first place.
Hitler - Jehovah's Witnesses' secret lover?
Kentucky Lake Times, KY - Feb 25, 2006
 According to a review for the book Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich, this is an "extremely well documented" book "with new primary and secondary sources ...
 
Sunspot
Sunspot 10 years ago

SickofLies said,
Don't be fooled by Watchtower apologists in disguise, this is a real threat. Remember we are in an information warfare campaign with the WTS. This is clearly an attempt by the JW's to use an outsider they have influence over to put out a piece of their own propaganda crap to soften public perception of them to increase their ministry effort and enslave more minds.
Ineresting points!
There has been SO MANY websites and so much "bad press" online about this CULT...that the blindsheep OF the cult, are clearly struggling to present their "undeniably truthful" documentary.
This is theocratic warfare at it’s best, note that if the WTS does indeed have finical ties or other interests in investing in this film they are NOT directly responsible for any lies that may be in the description of the film as they are put there by a non-JW! I would not be suprised if after this film is released that the film maker recieves a (pre??) gaurenteed order from the WTS to supply all the congregations with. The mere fact that its being prepared in other languages show the producer knows he has a prearanged market for them. This must be faught!
We can all be assured (yeah-right) that the WTS is completely unaware of this "documentary" on their "faith", and of course will have NO business in pursuing ANY monetary interest in it.
For as long as I can recall----the Watchtowergod had never shown any interest in refuting all the bad hype he has gotten, or will ever get embroiled in some JW peons who are trying to garner interest IN the cult...or trying to dispel the general public's apathy towards them AND the cult's poisonous and unchristian teachings.
As disgusted as this (or ANY) so-called glowing documentary makes me....I see this as a tempest in a teapot, and a feeble attempt to make any uneducated nonJW viewrs see how "hard they work" for an admittedly imperfect and faulty religious publishing empire.
 
Jourles
Jourles 10 years ago

This will be showing in my town next Friday at 7:00pm. It appears to be the only time it will run, so I am expecting to see many JW's attending it as well. This could get interesting. The website also states that Joel E. will be there as well.
Any questions I should ask him?
 
sammielee24
sammielee24 10 years ago

(IMO)I only wish there were some way to make another movie called 'Jehovah Witnesses - death, deceipt and destruction'..the real truth about the truth.
Interviews of families that have been cut off, exposure from ex elders, stories through our written contacts of those who have died and sharing those stories unabridged and uncut to reveal the pain and suffering they endured, magazine articles that clearly show the lies and interpretation, financial disclosure of the organization, treatment of women, pediophilia...and the list goes on. Only until we have another documentary that offsets this one will the average person see the truth and maybe then one person will be saved from joining this cult. Maybe there is money in the PBS to allow for an alternate view - to not provide the opportunity would be tantamount to discrimination don't you think?
sammieswife.
 
jgnat
jgnat 10 years ago

Ask him, in his pursuit of balanced journalism, if he interviewed any former witnesses?
 
Tigerman
Tigerman 10 years ago

I' ve been in touch with the East Lansing Film Festival people ( the ones screening this film at Michigan State ) and I have arranged for 150 flyers to be distributed asking the question, " Jehovah's Witnesses a cult ? " then " Read . . .' In The Truth ' . . . along with info from the back of the book. Wish I had a scanner so I could show it to you all, but I do not. I did send a copy to Randy Watters. He may not get it before Monday.
According to the ELFF people, they expect a large turnout and they may have to show the film in a larger auditorium.
 
Jourles
Jourles 10 years ago

According to the ELFF people, they expect a large turnout and they may have to show the film in a larger auditorium.
It wouldn't surprise me to hear if they announce this film(in a roundabout way) at the circuit assembly going on this weekend in Holt, MI. If they don't, then I'm sure the gabbers will spread the word. I'll ask my wife if she hears anything from this weekend about it.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Behind the camera with Howard Shack Open this result in new window Cleveland Jewish News - Mar 20 7:41 AM The documentary "Knocking,” screening at the Cleveland International Film Festival, has a Cleveland connection. The cinematographer is former Beachwood resident Howard Shack, a 1994 graduate of Stanford University's documentary film program.
Arts Behind the camera with Howard Shack
By: ARLENE FINE, Staff Reporter
The documentary "Knocking,” screening at the Cleveland International Film Festival, has a Cleveland connection.
The cinematographer is former Beachwood resident Howard Shack, a 1994 graduate of Stanford University's documentary film program. "Knocking” graphically portrays how Jehovah's Witnesses won legal victories that protected civil liberties and free choice for all Americans. "Because their religion prohibits blood transfusions Jehovah's Witnesses risked their lives in pursuit of new bloodless technology now used on all types of patients,” explains Shack.
During WWII, Jehovah's Witnesses resisted Hitler and the Nazis. As a result, they were sent to the concentration camps where most perished.

 
"In making the film we followed three different characters and watched as each of them grappled with what it means to be a Jehovah's Witness,” says Shack. "We had over 100 hours of material portraying how an often misunderstood and maligned community has survived against the odds and helped us all in ways we never knew.”
65 minutes. Screening at CIFF Fri., March 17, at 7 p.m.; Sat., March 18, at 2:30 p.m.; and Mon., March 20, at 9:45 a.m.

 
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Behind the camera with Howard Shack
Cleveland Jewish News, OH - 12 minutes ago
 "Knocking” tells the story of Jehovah's Witnesses and was shot over the course of two years at Kingdom Halls (Jehovah's Witness meeting centers), conventions ...

NOW,any prior posting apologist want to deny that this is a Pro-JW puff piece?
 

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DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Now Showing
Hub, MI - 14 minutes ago
... It may be these experiences, which stem from Engardio's upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness, that have made him a fearless journalist. ... "Knocking" Joel Engardio knows what it's like to be chased away from someone's front door. "I remember once they sicked dogs on us," he said. "We had to run to our car." He also knows what it's like to be ignored after ringing the doorbell. "The lingo is 'Hiding, but home,'" he said. It may be these experiences, which stem from Engardio's upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness, that have made him a fearless journalist. It is definitely a combination of his upbringing and journalism background, which includes a degree from Michigan State University in 1994, that helped him tell the often untold story of Jehovah's Witnesses - beyond them going door to door - in his documentary "Knocking." From winning Supreme Court cases that protect things as important as free speech, being held prisoner in concentration camps for resisting Hitler and his Nazi army and helping push the envelope when it comes to medical advances, Jehovah's Witnesses have had a large impact on history. "After becoming a journalist, I realized, there's a story here no one's told," said Engardio. "I wanted to use Jehovah's Witnesses as a case study." Engardio, 33, who lives in San Francisco, never joined the religion and said although it was not the right fit for him, he respects the religion's place in society.  His goal for "Knocking" was to simply show Jehovah's Witnesses for who they are, not to slant it one way or the other. Since members are often disliked or misunderstood, they were  hesitant to tell their story. "It took a lot of effort to build (their) trust," he said. The film explores the lives of Joseph Kempler, a Jewish Holocaust survivor who converted to the religion; Seth Thomas, a 23-year-old in need of a liver transplant who will not receive a blood transfusion due to his beliefs, making the surgery extremely risky; and Lillian Gobitas, who was expelled from her school in the late 1930s when she refused to salute the American flag. "Knocking" gives viewers an intimate look at the very private struggles and successes in these people's lives. The film took three years to make and cost $300,000, 75 percent of which was covered by a grant from PBS, which will air the documentary in the fall as part of its "Independent Lens" series. Engardio is attending the showing and looking forward to being back in East Lansing. "I used to be a writer at The State News," he said. "So I'm looking forward to seeing their new offices." Details
◦7 p.m. Friday, March 24
◦65 minutes, not rated
◦Theater A, Wells Hall
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

More reviews- East Lansing Film Festival crams the cranium
City Pulse, MI - 2 hours ago
... For anyone who’s ever felt guilty for slamming a door in the face of a seemingly well-intentioned Jehovah’s Witness, here’s your shot at redemption. ... CAN I GET A WITNESS? For anyone who’s ever felt guilty for slamming a door in the face of a seemingly well-intentioned Jehovah’s Witness, here’s your shot at redemption. “Knocking” is a non-partisan exploration of the religion (not cult) by filmmakers Joel Engardio and Tom Shepard. While not shying away from the fundamentalist stigma that sticks to Jehovah’s Witnesses (They stalk people in parking lots! They won’t take no for an answer!), “Knocking” also shows how their literal adherence to the Bible has spurred legal and medical breakthroughs.
The film trails two Jehovah’s Witness families as they confront the stickier aspects of their faith. In one thread, a Holocaust survivor attempts a reconciliation between his Jewish family and his Jehovah’s Witnesses family. The other, more compelling narrative follows a Texas family as it looks for a hospital that will perform a “bloodless” liver transplant on their dying son (Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in blood transfusions), exploring the heartbreaking decision one family member makes.
— Allan Ross
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Knock knock: Flint Film Fest brings Jehovah Witnesses documentary ...
MLive.com, MI - 8 minutes ago
 By Ed Bradley. He's not a member of Jehovah's Witnesses, but Joel P. Engardio wants you to know that the religious group does more than just knock on your door Knock knock: Flint Film Fest brings Jehovah Witnesses documentary here FLINT THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION Wednesday, April 26, 2006 By Ed Bradley ebradley@flintjournal.com • 810.766.6258 He's not a member of Jehovah's Witnesses, but Joel P. Engardio wants you to know that the religious group does more than just knock on your door. Raised as a Witness in Saginaw, where he spent much of his boyhood going door to door with his devout mother, Engardio respects the controversial Christian group's role in society and thinks more people ought to know about it. In his new documentary, "Knocking" - to be shown at this weekend's Flint Film Festival - Engardio, a San Francisco-based filmmaker and freelance journalist, cites the Witnesses' roles in supporting civil liberties, condemning the Holocaust and aiding in medical advances. "The Jehovah's Witnesses are famous because everyone has had one knock on their door, but people don't seem to know anything about them," Engardio said in a recent interview. "They are dismissed as irrelevant, as a cult, so I wanted to make a film that shows what they are, and the audience is left to decide." Engardio, 33, says he's not partial to the Witnesses. But he believes "Knocking" has special importance because of the way the apolitical Witnesses coexist in society as opposed to right-leaning fundamentalist Christians. "Anyone who watches the film would get the idea that they would rather have a religious person knock on their door instead of going behind their back and legislate their beliefs," Engardio said. In the film, directed by Engardio and Tom Shepard, the 130-year-old history of the Witnesses includes their stand against the Nazi state - they were among the first groups placed in concentration camps and used an international network of members to smuggle information out of the camps. Also highlighted is how the group's aversion to blood transfusions - based on an interpretation of the Bible that blood is sacred - had led to advancements in bloodless surgery. But Engardio's biggest argument for the Witnesses' importance is in the group's battles for protections in free speech and free assembly. Jehovah's Witnesses have gone before the U.S. Supreme Court 46 times, more than any other group, the film says, most recently in a 2002 Supreme Court decision affirming speech rights in the wake of the Sept. 11 tragedy. "Jehovah's Witnesses aren't activists," Engardio said. "They didn't go to court to defend society, only because they tried to do their commandments, but the (rulings) served everybody." Engardio began knocking on doors with his mother - the only Witness in his mainly Catholic family - at "age 5 or 6," he said. "At that age, I didn't realize what we were doing. ... As I got older, I would be hoping we wouldn't come to the door of a teacher or classmate. There would be a certain self-awareness or embarrassment. "Those who knock today, it's not easy for them. They feel a sense of fear or nervousness, but they do it anyway." Engardio graduated from Michigan State University in 1994. He has written for the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle and other publications and was an associate producer for the ABC newsmagazine "20/20." He also consults as a media and communications strategist for the American Civil Liberties Union. Engardio says he doesn't subscribe to any organized faiths, that "there's definitely room for all kinds of religions. But he respects the faith in which he grew up but never joined. "This country was founded on principles of freedom of religion and personal liberty, and those things are what divide us right now," he said. "That's why I made this film." "Knocking" will be shown at the third annual Flint Film Festival at 6 p.m. Friday and noon Saturday in the Flint Institute of Arts Theatre and noon Sunday in the FIA Art School Lecture Room and Fleckenstein Video Gallery. The festival runs Thursday through Sunday at the FIA, 1120 E. Kearsley St. Information: (810) 237-FILM, www.flintfilmfestival.com , www.knocking.org . ---------------------------------- ebradley@flintjournal.com • 810.766.6258 contact reporter http://www.mlive.com/contactus/ Newspaper contact feedback page
 
kid-A
kid-A 10 years ago

He also consults as a media and communications strategist for the American Civil Liberties Union.
I wonder if the ACLU knows that they are using a watchtower huckster for consulting? We should be e-mailing the ACLU about the nonsense Engardio is espousing in this documentary.
The WTS is in violation of pretty much EVERY American Civil Liberty (and Canadian) for that matter !!!
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Trenton Film Festival a box office hit
Trenton Times, NJ - 1 hour ago
... An event that ended last night with an awards ceremony and a closing party, the festival attracted all sorts, from Jehovah's Witnesses who packed a screening ... jpersico@njtimes.com reporter above The biggest draw of this year's festival was Joel P. Engardio and Tom Shepard's East Coast premiere of "Knocking," an absorbing 65-minute documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses that drew an audience more more than 200 to the state museum Saturday afternoon. After the screening, Shepard commented, "It's great to see the film with a group of people who `get' it." Among the people who vigorously applauded the revealing documentary was Terri Taylor of Ewing who said, "I speak for some in the audience who are Witnesses. I like the point of view that is not prejudiced against people who are Witnesses." Toni Santiago of Queens, N.Y., brought her daughters Dana Storm and Bianca along to see the movie they learned about on a Witnesses Web site. "I like that the film didn't show Witnesses as a cult. Maybe, if people see it, they won't be so quick to close the door in our faces," said Dana. "Even I learned something new." ------------------------------ Film festival attendance up and rising
Indianapolis Star, United States - 2 hours ago
... earlier and were stunned at how they were able to pull all the ideas together to create this really interesting thesis related to the Jehovah's Witnesses.". ... bonnie.britton@indystar.com reporter above
"It was glorious. We saw 'Knocking' earlier and were stunned at how they were able to pull all the ideas together to create this really interesting thesis related to the Jehovah's Witnesses."
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

KNOCKING documentary update
Newsletter May 2006
 AWARDS:
KNOCKING was given the jury award for Best Documentary at the USA Film
Festival in Dallas.
KNOCKING also won the audience award for Best Documentary at the
Indianapolis International Film Festival.
FILM FESTIVALS:
KNOCKING has been seen by sold-out crowds at the following festivals:
-- Trenton, New Jersey
-- Flint, Michigan
-- Indianapolis, Indiana
-- Dallas, Texas
-- Cleveland, Ohio
-- East Lansing, Michigan
-- Reno, Nevada
As more festivals accept KNOCKING throughout the summer and fall, we
will
keep you posted.
KNOCKING IN YOUR TOWN:
If KNOCKING was shown at a film festival in your town and you were
unable
the get tickets, or if KNOCKING was not included in your town's film
festival, you can bring KNOCKING to your community for everyone who
wants to
see it. Many people in various parts of the country have asked what it
takes
to organize a screening in their hometown. The process is simple: put
together a local organizing committee and contact a community events
theater. Many city-run community event theaters are used to handling
this
kind of event. If necessary, charge a small admission fee to cover
theater
rental and operating costs (the community event theaters often deduct
the
operating and rental costs directly from ticket sales through their own
box
office). You might also want to try to use theater space at a local
high
school or community college. We want local people to organize
screenings
since they know their own community best. The most important job is
word of
mouth advertising and getting people to attend. And a local person is
better
suited for spreading the word. We will make a professional grade
exhibition
copy available for your local screening on "Beta SP." Inform the
theater
that KNOCKING is shown on a "Beta SP" tape that requires a "Beta deck."
This
is the common format for film festivals, as most independent "films"
are not
on actual film anymore. If the theater does not have Beta deck
capability, a
DVD can be provided for projection. Please note, that a "community
screening" is not for a dozen or so of your friends. We will provide
exhibition quality tapes for large gatherings of 100 or more people. If
you
want to organize your own community screening, please email knockingdirector@msn.com with the word "SCREENING" in the subject
heading.
Because of the huge demand for screenings in every part of the country,
we
have limited ability to assist you in your organizing. This will have
to be
a grassroots effort that is done locally by you.
KNOCKING IN YOUR HOME:
Later this summer we will have more information about the DVD version
of
KNOCKING, which will include 3 hours of extra material and a study
guide.
The DVD will also feature the long version of KNOCKING. The television
broadcast version is 10 minutes shorter.
KNOCKING ON TV:
KNOCKING will be seen on the PBS series Independent Lens in the
upcoming
2006-07 season. We'll know the broadcast date closer to when the season
starts this fall.
KNOCKING ONLINE:
We hope to update the www.knocking.org web site this summer. But please
forward the site to those who have not seen it yet. And if you haven't
already, be sure to submit your email address in the "more information"
area
so we can continue updating you about festival screenings, the DVD and
the
PBS broadcast.




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DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

KNOCKING Newsletter
Summer 2006www.knocking.org
 Tell everyone you know in New York and Michigan to take advantage of a
unique opportunity this summer to see KNOCKING in a theater on the big
screen before it is broadcast on PBS and before the DVD is made
available.
1. See KNOCKING in New York in July
2. See KNOCKING in Michigan in July/August
3. See KNOCKING on PBS series Independent Lens: 2006-07 season starts
in
October
4. DVDs ready in September
*KNOCKING IN NEW YORK: July 17
See a sneak preview at the Long Island Internationsl Film Expo in
Bellmore,
NY. KNOCKING will screen on Monday, July 17 at 4:30pm. There will be
two
unrelated short films that will precede KNOCKING. Each of the shorts
are 30
minutes. KNOCKING will begin at 5:30pm, but you will need to get your
seat
at 4:30pm before the shorts start. Holocaust survivor Joseph Kempler,
who is
featured in KNOCKING, will attend the Long Island screening and take
questions from the audience.
For tickets, contact the theater Bellmore Movies at 516-783-3199 or
vist
online at www.longislandfilm.com
Getting to the theater Bellmore Movies is easy from the New York
metropolitan area. Take Long Island Railroad to the Bellmore stop. Walk
down
the platform and Belllmore Movies is right across the street.
*KNOCKING IN MICHIGAN: July 29, August 5, August 12
The historic Temple Theater will screen KNOCKING in Saginaw, Michigan
for
three Saturdays in a row this summer: July 29, August 5, and August 12.
The
Temple Theater is a "movie palace" built in 1927 and has been fully
restored
to its original splendor. Crystal chandeliers and ornate paintings
adorn the
nearly 2,000-seat theater with its giant four-story screen. A live
organist
performs for a half-hour before each show, as the period organ raises
from
and lowers back into the stage floor.
Tickets are $5 for adults and $2 for students. There is family rate of
$15
for two adults and all the kids. Buy tickets at the door. Theater opens
at
7pm. Organ performance at 7:30pm. KNOCKING begins at 8pm. The film is
one
hour, so it won't be a late night.
The Temple Theater is an easy drive from all points in Michigan. Take
I-75
to I-675 "Downtown Sagainw" exit. Continue I-675 to "5th/6th Aves. --
Downtown" exit. Turn left on Washington Ave.
Address: 203 N. Washington Ave. Saginaw, MI 48607
Phone: 989-754-7469
Michigan's famous "Little Bavaria" Frankenmuth and Birch Run Outlet
Malls
just 20 minutes south of Temple Theater. Come make a day of it.
Saginaw is also hosting a district convention of Jehovah's Witnesses
the
same weekends KNOCKING will screen at the Temple Theater. The
convention is
at the Dow Events Center, across the street from the Temple Theater.
The
convention finishes for the day at 5pm. If you are attending the
convention,
enjoy dinner and come back to the Temple Theater for the 8pm showing of
KNOCKING. It will be done by 9pm, so you won't be too tired for the
start of
the convention the next morning.
Please spread the word to those you know in Michigan. This is a unique
opportunity to see KNOCKING.
Remember: Saturday July 29, Aug. 5 and Aug. 12 at 8pm.
Director Joel Engardio will attend the Aug. 5 show and take questions
from
the audience.
*SEE KNOCKING ON PBS
The broadcast date for KNOCKING on the PBS series Independent Lens will
be
announced in August. The 2006-07 season begins in October.
*DVD READY IN SEPTEMBER
Please check www.knocking.org to order your DVD starting in September.
This
will include the longer film festival version, plus 3 hours of extra
video
material and a 48-page printed study guide. More details to come.
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DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

I find it pretty amazing that any of you would pre-judge something that you haven't even seen in its final form or even a rough-cut of. All you have is the description of the thing and what it has been described and what is from the website. But the thing isn't even done yet!
Why not wait to see how it actually turns out and then complain about it if you must? When you actually have facts or counter-arguments or flaws to point out. You don't know what the documentary will cover and what it won't, etc. and you are all gong off about it.
You lost a lot of credibility with this one Danny.
This kind of thing only gives opposers to JWs a bad name and proves that you are just as judgmental and biased as Jehovah's Witnesses can be. You are all no better because just as JWs do not permit certain speech and try to place a chilling effect upon certain speech - all of you that have posted in this thread advocating a prior-restraint or speaking out against this movie are doing exactly the same thing that the Society does.
-Eduardo
Earlier on,Eduardo had challenged Danny Haszard for crying foul on this being a Watchtower puff piece from the get-go.

announced in August. The 2006-07 season begins in October.



Please check www.knocking.org to ;order your DVD starting in September.
This
will include the longer film festival version, plus 3 hours of extra
video
material and a 48-page printed study guide . More details to come.
 
Jourles
Jourles 10 years ago

Earlier on,Eduardo had challenged Danny Haszard for crying foul on this being a Watchtower puff piece from the get-go.
If this wasn't a WTS approved "puff-piece," then why is Joel E. having this screened in Saginaw during the weekends of the DC? Is it because he KNOWS that no one other than jw's will go see this film?
This film is, and was made for jw's only. No one else will really care about it. As I mentioned in my review of the film in East Lansing, over 95% of the audience consisted of jw's.
I think that a few here from MI should go up to the Aug. 5 showing and ask Joel a few questions - real pointed questions.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

KNOCKING Update
July 2006
 If you live in Michigan, Georgia or New York -- or know someone who
does --
don't miss the chance to see a sneak preview of KNOCKING.
Saginaw, Michigan
July 29, Aug. 5, and Aug.12 at 8pm
Temple Theater
203 N. Washington Ave.
989-754-7469
Tickets $5, students $2.
The Temple Theater is a nearly 2,000-seat "movie palace" built in 1927.
It
has been fully restored to its original splendor. Three Saturday
evening
shows in July and August. Doors open at 7pm. Live organ music at
7:30pm.
Film starts at 8pm. Director Joel P. Engardio will take questions from
the
audience at the Aug. 5 showing.
Easy to get to from all points in Michigan: take I-75 to I-675
"Downtown
Saginaw"
**********************
Rome, Georgia
Rome International Film Festival
September 9 at 3pmwww.riff.tv
Rome is situated between three metropolitan areas: Atlanta; Birmingham,
Alabama; and Chattanooga, Tennessee. If you live in Atlanta, Birmingham
or
Chattanooga this is your only chance to see KNOCKING before it is
broadcast
on PBS. Please go to the festival web site at www.riff.tv (that's .tv)
for
details and tcket information.
***********************
Long Island, New York
Long Island International Film Expo
July 17 at 4:30pm
Bellmore Movies
Bellmore, New York
516-783-3199www.longislandfilm.com
Last chance to see KNOCKING in the New York area. Take Long Island
Railroad
to Bellmore stop. Theater is across the street from the railway
platform, on
the north side of the tracks.
***********************
DVD Update
If you haven't already, enter your email address at www.knocking.org
(click
where it says "more info") so you can get word when the DVD is ready.
There
will be 3 hours of extra video material, including a "Lecture Series"
with
experts in the fields of medical ethics, civil liberties and Holocaust
history. Plus, rare official interviews with Jehovah's Witness
spokesmen.
And a printed 48-page study/discussion guide of historical and social
analysis will come with each DVD.
**********************
PBS Update
KNOCKING will be nationally broadcast on the PBS series Independent
Lens in
the upcoming 2006-07 season. Broadcast date will be announced in
September.
Call your local PBS station to make sure they carry the series
"Independent
Lens." Each of the 300 PBS affiliate stations in the United States has
discretion as to whether they will broadcast the national PBS feed or
rearrange the shows to their own taste. If a PBS station thinks there
won't
be local interest in a subject, they might put something else on or
move the
show to the middle of the night. Be sure to let your PBS station know
that
there are Jehovah's Witnesses and others in your community who want to
see
KNOCKING.




This Update is sponsored by Open Door Films, and is provided as a
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DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Witness movie returns to area
Flint Journal, MI - 1 8 minutes ago
... "Knocking," a documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses, will be shown the next three Saturday nights at the Temple Theatre in Saginaw. ... THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION Friday, July 28, 2006 By Ed Bradley JOURNAL COLUMNIST One of the more prominent entries in this year's Flint Film Festival is getting a regional release theatrically. "Knocking," a documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses, will be shown the next three Saturday nights at the Temple Theatre in Saginaw. The film, co-produced and co-directed by Saginaw native Joel P. Engardio, is to be shown at 8 each night. Engardio will field audience questions after the Aug. 5 screening. A Michigan State University graduate, he is based in San Francisco. "Knocking" was shown twice to sizable crowds in Flint in April, and my phone line filled with inquiries about the film, pro and con. It's a generally positive look at the controversial group; part of a Catholic family, Engardio was raised as a Witness by his mother but never joined the religion. The film will be airing on PBS stations this fall, Engardio told me in April. For more information about the Temple screenings, call (989) 754-7469 or visit www.templetheatre.com. The film's official Web site is www.knocking.org ------------------ related/unrelated Watchtower is doing a media blitz in Saginaw Michigan Conventioneers give TheDow a scrubbing
MLive.com, MI - 1 5 minutes ago
 Long before thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses headed for downtown Saginaw today for their "Deliverance at Hand!" District Convention, hundreds of followers Denise Ford-Mitchell is a staff writer for The Saginaw News. You may reach her at 989- 776-9668 click below she did pieces on the RCC pedophile cover up so she may be receptive to JW pedophile info.She has done a number of 'puff pieces' for the Watchtower http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22DENISE+FORD-MITCHELL&btnG=Search
 
oldflame
oldflame 10 years ago

So lets all write emails to the director telling them just exactly what they are supporting.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

broadcast nationally in the United States on PBS in
May
2007 .
WHAT WAS WATCHTOWER’S ROLE?
 The New York-based Watchtower Society directs the worldwide ministry of
Jehovah's Witnesses. It publishes the Watchtower magazine and other
religious books and journals distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Viewers who
would like to know more about the role of the Watchtower Society in the
production of KNOCKING may call Watchtower at 718-560-5600 (weekdays
between
8am and 5pm Eastern time

KNOCKING DVD SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
August 21, 2006www.knocking.org
ORDER DVD NOW
Go to www.knocking.org and click on the “ORDER DVD NOW” button found in
the
upper left corner of the screen. Get 15% discount on orders of three or
more
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SPECIAL DVD FEATURES
The DVD contains a 63-minute film festival version that is 10 minutes
longer
than what will be broadcast nationally in the United States on PBS in
May
2007. The feature presentation is Closed Captioned in English. The DVD
is
"All Region" and will play on newer DVD players in Europe and Australia
(it
will not be compatible every DVD player outside North America,
especially
older models).
We’ve spent many months putting together lots of extra features on the
DVD.
There are more than 3 hours of additional material, including:
* Short film about Jehovah's Witnesses and free speech cases at the
U.S.
Supreme Court
* Behind-the-scenes interviews with the directors
* Segment on "Street Witnessing"
* Special lecture series. The lecture series features expanded
interviews
with leading experts in the areas of civil liberties, medical ethics
and
Holocaust history. Each expert comments on the contributions of
Jehovah's
Witnesses. There are also rare, official interviews with
representatives of
the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses
* Study and discussion guide. A printed 48-page booklet comes with each
DVD,
providing in-depth historical and social analysis. Extra copies can be
opened and printed from the DVD on your computer.
AWARDS
KNOCKING has played at a number of film festivals and has won several
awards. It will be broadcast nationally in the United States on the PBS
series "Independent Lens" in May 2007. Get your own sneak preview by
ordering the DVD now.
Film Festival awards:
*Best Documentary, Jury Award, 2006 USA Film Festival (Dallas)
*Best Documentary, Jury Award, 2006 Trenton Film Festival (New Jersey)
*Best Documentary, Audience Award, 2006 Indianapolis International Film
Festival
*Best First Film, Jury Award, 2006 Long Island International Film Expo
(New
York)
*Official Selection, 2006 Cleveland International Film Festival
WHAT WAS WATCHTOWER’S ROLE?
The New York-based Watchtower Society directs the worldwide ministry of
Jehovah's Witnesses. It publishes the Watchtower magazine and other
religious books and journals distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Viewers who
would like to know more about the role of the Watchtower Society in the
production of KNOCKING may call Watchtower at 718-560-5600 (weekdays
between
8am and 5pm Eastern time). KNOCKING is an independent film production.
Watchtower cooperated with the film's producers, providing them with
archival material, granting interviews and permitting their cameras
access
to Watchtower's headquarters. KNOCKING's camera crews were also allowed
to
film at a district convention of Jehovah's Witnesses, inside local
Kingdom
Halls and accompany Witnesses in the door-to-door visitation work.
Watchtower had no editorial control over the program, but the producers
provided an advance courtesy screening of the completed film.
WHAT ARE VIEWERS SAYING?
"I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I think KNOCKING would be a
favorable
screening for Witnesses and non-Witnesses alike. I had the pleasure of
being
at the screening of your documentary in Trenton, New Jersey at our
city's
recent film festival. I found KNOCKING to be fresh, enlightening and
fair."
Terri Taylor
New Jersey
"KNOCKING was a knockout! It was fair, honest and factual. You couldn't
have
picked better subjects than the Kempler and Thomas families. Best of
all, it
was told by non-witnesses. Congratulations."
Ellen Williams and Anna Turner
Long Island, New York
"We wanted to let you all know that we really appreciated the fair
depiction
of Jehovah's Witnesses contained in your film. Four of us from
Cleveland,
Ohio traveled to Flint, Michigan to see it, and it was wonderful. We
all
cried as we watched the movie! Once again, thank you for an accurate
and
interesting portrayal of Jehovah's Witnesses. We look forward to seeing
the
DVD."
Marla Roberts, Lashella Carroll, Sonya Parker and Paulette Murray
Cleveland, Ohio
"I just got in from the Long Island screening of Knocking and I had to
write
to express my feelings. It was wonderful! As one of Jehovah's witnesses
for
35 years, I was a little wary when I first heard about this film. I've
been
used to inaccurate reports from the media over the years and was
thrilled to
experience your fair and accurate documentary. I shed a few tears
during the
sections dealing with Seth Thomas and his father, and of course the
experiences of Joseph Kempler. Thank you for your film and for being
fair
and accurate about our beliefs and way of life."
Alick C. Samuels
Cambria Heights, New York
"I was very impressed with your film and its four perspectives: 1) the
blood
issue; 2) our relationship with non-JW family members; 3) JWs & the
Nazis;
4) JWs and civil rights. The delivery of these very important issues
was
nicely demonstrated in the film. When I returned home I immediately
told my
friends and family about this wonderful film. Thank you for your
fairness
and good research."
Helen Cole
New York
"Thank you so much for giving our beliefs a fair shake."
Luanne Longan
Retired English professor, Gadsden State Community College
WHAT ARE PROFESSIONALS SAYING?
"Riveting and illuminating. KNOCKING takes us inside the world of
Jehovah's
Witnesses in a way that is utterly surprising and moving."
-- Anderson Cooper, CNN
"A compelling documentary. KNOCKING affirms the principle that in a
free
society, the protection of religious liberty and the advancement of
personal
freedoms need not be competing values.”
-- Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director, American Civil Liberties
Union
"A thoughtful telling of an important, often-overlooked story about
essential American issues.”
-- Jon Meacham, Managing Editor, Newsweek
“KNOCKING contains a wonderful surprise: It shows how science and
religion,
with worldviews that rarely overlap, can reach a common goal – the use
of
less blood in medicine – even if for very different reasons.”
-- Arthur Caplan, Chair, Department of Medical Ethics, University of
Pennsylvania
"An absorbing account of a misunderstood religious movement and its
relationship to contemporary culture. KNOCKING raises important
questions
about how we know and how we consider the religious "other," and
through its
own presentation, causes us to re-think the way media represent them."
-- Stewart M. Hoover, Director, Center for Media, Religion and Culture,
University of Colorado
BULK DISCOUNT
Receive a 15% discount when purchasing 3 or more DVDs. Regular price of
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LIMITED FIRST RUN
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Pre-orders will be shipped between Sept. 15-30. If interest is high, we
will
produce more DVDs.
HOW TO PAY
We accept most credit cards through a secure online shopping cart.
Checks
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is
available for this pre-order period. DVDs will be shipped between Sept.
15-30.




This Update is sponsored by Open Door Films, and is provided as a
public
service to support conversations around the film, "Knocking."
 
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DannyHaszard 10 years ago



broadcast nationally in the United States on PBS in
May
2007 .
WHAT WAS WATCHTOWER’S ROLE?
 The New York-based Watchtower Society directs the worldwide ministry of
Jehovah's Witnesses. It publishes the Watchtower magazine and other
religious books and journals distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Viewers who
would like to know more about the role of the Watchtower Society in the
production of KNOCKING may call Watchtower at 718-560-5600 (weekdays
between
8am and 5pm Eastern time
 
purplesofa
purplesofa 10 years ago

We
all
cried as we watched the movie!
cripes!!!
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

broadcast nationally in the United States on PBS in
May
2007 .
WHAT WAS WATCHTOWER’S ROLE? 
 The New York-based Watchtower Society directs the worldwide ministry of
Jehovah's Witnesses. It publishes the Watchtower magazine and other
religious books and journals distributed by Jehovah's Witnesses.
Viewers who
would like to know more about the role of the Watchtower Society in the
production of KNOCKING may call Watchtower at 718-560-5600 (weekdays
between
8am and 5pm Eastern time
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 10 years ago

Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary everybody go back and read page one of this thread discussion of watchtower's "NON" involvement
Viewers who

would like to know more about the role of the Watchtower Society in the

production of KNOCKING may call Watchtower at 718-560-5600
 
wonderwoman
wonderwoman 10 years ago

I'm suddenly sick to my stomach.
 
Sailor Ripley
Sailor Ripley 10 years ago

We
all
cried as we watched the movie!
I would have too, then I would have become violently ill.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 9 years ago



A conference explored global trends and local incidents which are ...
Spero News - 30 minutes ago NOV 2 2006
...the preview screening of a forthcoming PBS [Public Service Broadcasting] documentary, ‘Knocking - The Untold Story of Jehovah's Witnesses’, examining how ...
 
http://www.speroforum.com/site/mbarticle.asp?id=6378&Msg=97802114commentstopADD YOUR COMMENTS
 

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DannyHaszard 9 years ago

(1)http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html? can also post your comment at CNN feedback form Devon McBride <devonmcbride1@verizon.net> wrote:
This is a blog about CNN reporter supporting Knocking. Can you pass this around your mailing list and request everyone comment to keep this blog active? Thanks (2)http://www.watchtowerexposed.blogspot.com/
(3) Note from Danny,received via email from an activist everyone please bookmark this above blog and you can also post comments at the blog's guestbook
 
DevonMcBride
DevonMcBride 9 years ago

Danny, the feedback link you have is for the wrong CNN program. Below is the correct one for Anderson Cooper 360.
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?10
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 9 years ago

dvd_cover_800.jpg
Knocking Documentary Project - DVD orders
A written 48-page study and discussion guide comes with each DVD. It provides in-depth historical and social analysis. Extra copies can be downloaded from ...www.knocking.org/dvd_orders.lasso - 24k -  Cached - Similar pages
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 9 years ago

The Knocking "documentary" IS A WATCHTOWER CULT PROPAGANDA PUFF PIECE FROM THE GET GO  Excerpt from the Knocking website--"..This
will include the longer film festival version, plus 3 hours of extra
video
material and a 48-page printed study guide. More details to come." IT COMES WITH A "48 PAGE STUDY GUIDE" This has Watchtower authorship and production all over it.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 9 years ago

PBS KNOCKING JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DOCUMENTARY WAS A FLOP AND BOMBEDIt's now been about 1 1/2 weeks since it's debut and it fizzled
Google search results show it's way down about rank # 140
Apostates 'own' the internet search results for Jehovah's Witnesses keywords.
(If anything it prompted critical awareness of the Watchtower cult)
 
OnTheWayOut
OnTheWayOut 9 years ago

It's now been about 1 1/2 weeks since it's debut and it fizzled
Google search results show it's way down about rank # 140
Apostates 'own' the internet search results for Jehovah's Witnesses keywords.
(If anything it prompted critical awareness of the Watchtower cult)
I fully agree that it bombed. I fully agree with the above comment, but
mostly, I agree with "If anything..."
Most people don't care what the fringe elements of society are doing.
Most people just don't like the knocking on their doors on Saturday morning.
PBS has low viewership, and the gay community and the WT community
never helped Joel get this thing rolling. If it weren't for the anti-JW community,
this thing would have been a bigger bomb.
Still, Joel hopes to be better accepted in the "published" club of Documentary makers.
He hopes it leads to bigger and better things. He may get that. Good for him.
 

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If your child is in middle or high school, please contact his teacher or school administrator to request that his school participate in the "Community Classroom" program sponsored by PBS and the Independent Television Service.
KNOCKING was selected for "Community Classroom" and will be offered to public schools across the United States for free.
The story lines in KNOCKING have been developed into a curriculum with supporting video modules from the film. Educational content was created with guidance from the National Council for the Social Studies, the National Association for Multicultural Education and PBS Teachers. The content will use the story of Jehovah's Witnesses to educate students on civil liberties, religious tolerance, medical ethics and standing for what you believe.
For more information about how your child's school can participate, please visit this link:http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/classroom/knocking.html
To request a free copy of the video modules and educational materials, contact outreach@itvs.org (Be sure to mention KNOCKING in your correspondence)
You may want to bring this to your teacher's attention now, in the final weeks of the school year, and remind him again in the fall.
FYI: The free DVD only has short segments from the film, each under 10 minutes long, that correspond with the educational curriculum to facilitate classroom discussion.
To order the film in its entirety, go to www.knocking.org
KNOCKING is also available in Spanish at www.llamando.org
Please forward this information.






 
horrible life
horrible life 8 years ago

Are my tax dollars being spent to promote cults to children??
 
horrible life
horrible life 8 years ago

When did they rescinded Separation of Church and State?
 
nameless_one
nameless_one 8 years ago

UGH! I was hoping this was a joke but after visiting that link I see it clearly is not. Partial copy and paste from the site:
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“Riveting and illuminating. KNOCKING takes us inside the world of Jehovah’s Witnesses in a way that is utterly surprising and moving."
—Anderson Cooper, CNN
KNOCKING opens the door on Jehovah's Witnesses. They are moral conservatives who stay out of politics and the Culture War, but they won a record number of court cases expanding freedom for everyone. They refuse blood transfusions on religious grounds, but they embrace the science behind bloodless surgery. In Nazi Germany, they could fight for Hitler or go to the concentration camps. They chose the camps. Following two families who stand firm for their controversial and misunderstood Christian faith, KNOCKING reveals how one unlikely religion helped to shape history beyond the doorstep.
About ITVS Community Classroom
ITVS Community Classroom is an educational resource providing new documentary video content and accompanying curricular materials, lesson plans and homework assignments to high school and community college instructors and youth-serving community-based organizations. Content is grouped into subject -specific segments that correspond to lesson plans and educational activities. All CLASSROOM materials are designed with key education standards in mind.
Educational content was developed with guidance from the ITVS CLASSROOM National Advisors: PBS Teachers, the National Council of Churches, American Association of Community Colleges, 4-H, National Council for the Social Studies and National Council of Teachers of English.
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Anyone with a child in middle or high school, please contact the teacher or school administrator to request that the school NOT participate in this! I am surprised and sickened that this could be showing up in schools and presented in this way. How is that possible, in public schools?? I had no idea about this, thank you for posting this information Gayle.
 
imissmaine
imissmaine 8 years ago

I emailed outreach@itvs.org and filled out the online form (http://www.pbs.org/aboutsite/aboutsite_emailform.html) asking them to reconsider offering this DVD to schools. I hope they stop immediately! -IMM
 
hubert
hubert 8 years ago

bttt
 
tooktheredpill
tooktheredpill 8 years ago

OMG!!!
I received the same email message this morning from " update@lists.knocking.org"!
Do you think that the WTS is donating money to PBS, in order to have "positive" information about them spreading out???
TTRP
 
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carla 8 years ago

If they are going to show that in public schools they damn well better show the other videos available showing what the wt is really about!
 

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If your child is in middle or high school, please contact his teacher or school administrator to request that his school participate in the "Community Classroom" program sponsored by PBS and the Independent Television Service.
KNOCKING was selected for "Community Classroom" and will be offered to public schools across the United States for free.
The story lines in KNOCKING have been developed into a curriculum with supporting video modules from the film. Educational content was created with guidance from the National Council for the Social Studies, the National Association for Multicultural Education and PBS Teachers. The content will use the story of Jehovah's Witnesses to educate students on civil liberties, religious tolerance, medical ethics and standing for what you believe.
For more information about how your child's school can participate, please visit this link: http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/classroom/knocking.html
To request a free copy of the video modules and educational materials, contact outreach@itvs.org (Be sure to mention KNOCKING in your correspondence)
You may want to bring this to your teacher's attention now, in the final weeks of the school year, and remind him again in the fall.
FYI: The free DVD only has short segments from the film, each under 10 minutes long, that correspond with the educational curriculum to facilitate classroom discussion.
To order the film in its entirety, go to www.knocking.org KNOCKING is also available in Spanish at www.llamando.org
Please forward this information.
 
jamiebowers
jamiebowers 8 years ago

OMG! Is the WTB&TS trying to soften up "worldly" kids, so they'll be ripe for the picking when a jw molester comes to their doors? This is absolutely sickening! I will make sure that if this garbage is offered in my school system, that Barbara Anderson's court records are also available for review. Better yet, I'm going to try to keep "Knocking" out of my school system entirely. Hopefully, everyone else on this board will do the same.
 
Amber Rose
Amber Rose 8 years ago

How can this video possibly be considered "educational"? The whole point of it is candy coat Jehovah's Witnesses. It has no business in public schools. Why not teach kids about mortgages and interest rates and to properly use credit.
 
Amber Rose
Amber Rose 8 years ago

The content will use the story of Jehovah's Witnesses to educate students on civil liberties, religious tolerance, medical ethics and standing for what you believe.
Seems a bit ironic, dontcha think?
 
Awakened at Gilead
Awakened at Gilead 8 years ago

Religious tolerance = acceptance of dissenters
So why am I (and countless others) being shunned?
 

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I think I uncovered an important development in the "Knocking"/Youtube controversy. A few days ago I was reviewing the Knocking excerpts on Youtube and paying attention to their viewer stats and whether they allowed comments. None of the videos I saw were allowing comments. There were several videos posted by knockingdocumentary. Independent Lens also had a short excerpt and PBS had what what appeared to be the same clip posted. My memory is a little fuzzy, but I seem to recall that one of the short clips form either PBS or Independent Lens had over 160,000 views and that the other also had high viewer stats. I don't believe either were allowing comments.
I checked the videos again today. Here are the links.



360 views, 9 comments, posted by Independent Lens



4042 views, 27 comments, posted by PBS
I wish I better understood how Youtube works. It appears they replaced old comments. The viewer stats went way down, but I don't know if these videos have the same links as before. It almost looks like they reset them to an earlier date. They do appear to be further down in the search results.
The videos posted by knockingdocumentary appear unchanged and are still not allowing comments.
There are a lot of questions. I invite your thoughts. I wonder if PBS and Independent Lens observed the controversy about Knocking's legal threats and decided it was a bad idea to not allow comments on a controversial film that is accused of being very biased. If so, I commend them. I think they made the right decision. Knockingdirector has the right to not allow comments. However, it speaks very poorly for their objectivity and their willingness to allow the public to hear all the facts.
I don't recommend flooding these videos with comments, because that will only increase their popularity, but it would be good to make sure that critical opinions are properly represented.
I noticed something else. On another thread, Knocking responded to an email by saying they don't approve of anyone using their footage without permission and that they send cease and desist orders to both JWs and nonJWs. I found a Youtube user named Paulayahoo. She appears to be a Jehovah's Witness and has numerous proJW videos on her channel, including these videos that are copied from the Knocking documentary or special features.









These are not three second fair use clips for the purpose of commentary or criticism. They are several minutes long without commentary. It might be good for some of us to email the Knocking directors and find out if this user has permission to use these clips. Their email address is at this link. http://www.knocking.org/getinfo.lasso (I'm sorry, but I have reasons to not correspond with them at this time.) If they didn't grant permission, it would be only fair for them to send that user a cease and desist notice. That is supposedly their policy. If they granted permission, it makes them look bad for allowing them this extensive use of copyrighted material while issuing legal threats against a critic who used three seconds of footage in a manner that may be fair use. It might be their right to have this contradictory stand, but, once again, it would speak poorly for their fairness.
 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

Can you set up a corporation where your identity is not automatically known or have someone speak on your behalf that you trust?
It's all very interesting and I do believe that there is more going on behind the scenes. Go with your first instinct, I think all of this can be traced back to the person that started contacting you about your video and your thoughts. Have you considered a consultation with a Intellectual Property Lawyer? I definitely think the WTS is involved, but I will try to help when I get home.
 
sf
sf 8 years ago

Pauloyahoo IS/owns www.jw.org {ONE OF WTBTS' OFFICIAL WEBSITE} as indicted on his youtube profile:
http://uk.youtube.com/user/pauloyahoo
I'm sure it is why he/it is not bothered.
sKally
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

Is that channel operated by the Watchtower Society, or did the Youtube user just decide to link to an official JW site?
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

I thought I would better clarify why I think this is important. Uploading new Watchtower Comments videos will be damaging because they will have to start over with new links, viewer, stats etc. However, it appears that some of the "Knocking" promotional videos have also taken a hit. This will hurt them in search results and popularity. Furthermore, they are less valuable for promotion because they allow comments, some of which will be critical of the film's omissions and distortions.
The legal threats from "Knocking" are frustrating because it's not practical to fight them. It's more practical to edit the videos and suffer the loss of the original links, comments, etc. However, practical considerations go both ways. The people who make money from "Knocking" will also be hurt by this negative publicity. I'm thankful to JWD for providing a good forum to discuss this. Some of these threads about Knocking's legal threats are already doing well in search results and will probably help counteract that propaganda piece for a long time in the future. The promotional videos on the knockingdirector channel are still preventing comments, but this won't stop people from being exposed to criticism of the film. Hopefully, this will be a lesson for those who may be tempted to make frivolous copyright challenges in the future.
Here are some of the other threads on this topic.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/155256/1.ashx
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/155346/1.ashx
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/155355/1.ashx
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/155377/1.ashx
 

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Knocking.org releases information page on Jehovah's Witnesses. Beliefs, history, practices and controversies discussed
"Accurate information on Jehovah's Witnesses is available but you need to know where to find it. Knocking.org presents an award winning PBS documentary on the subject of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is pleased to announce a new information page on the subject of Jehovah's Witnesses, which provides a detailed account of the history, beliefs and practices of Jehovah's Witnesses."
Newark, NJ (1888PressRelease) January 01, 2011 - Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religion whose modern day history that traces back to around 1879 with Charles Taze Russell and his associates. They were an independent Bible study group with loose ties to Adventist thought (not to be confused with Seventh Day Adventists).
Russell and his associates came to the conclusion that much of the teachings associated with mainstream Christianity of that time were not in harmony with the Bible. They wanted to start from scratch, as it were, and go back to the Bible to see what it really said about such topics as the immortal soul, the time of the end, paradise, hellfire, salvation and heaven. They rejected the concept of human evolution and in 1916, the International Bible Students produced the Photo Drama of Creation, which aimed to show the scientific basis of Scripture. An estimated nine million people viewed the presentation in 1914.
After Russell's death in 1916, Joseph F. Rutherford became the second to direct what became, under his administration, Jehovah's Witnesses, in 1931. His rough style and fiery manner were in stark contrast to that of Russell. With Rutherford, Witnesses placed increased empasis on house-to-house preaching. This method of evangelizing has continued until today.
The Knocking.org site, presents and unvarnished account of Jehovah's Witnesses history, beliefs and practices, that is both accurate and unbiased.
Some of the topics covered on the Knocking Jehovah's Witness page are,
Sreading the Word - Charles T. Russell, The Watchtower Society & IBSA; Post-War Expansion; Missionary Activity and Expectation; Doctrinal Development and Eschatology of Jehovah's Witnesses; Jehovah's Witnesses and Entertainment Choices, Morality, Disfellowshipping; Jehovah's Witnesses Demography and Statistics; JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND CIVIL RIGHTS; Historical Background; Jehovah's Witnesses and the U.S. Supreme Court.
The Knocking.org main page presents a 10,000-plus word article that covers nearly every facet of the topic of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is the most complete article on Jehovah's Witnesses that is available on the Internet.
In the coming months, historical photos will gradually be added to the site. We encourage journalists and researchers to use the site for their research. The information is not produced by Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, but by a team of independent San Francisco journalists.
http://www.knocking.org
###
 
slimboyfat
slimboyfat 5 years ago

I would say the wikipedia articles on JWs are more detailed and better written.
 
jwfacts
jwfacts 5 years ago

I find the information surrounding Knocking extremely irritating, in that Joel makes a big point of not being a JW and being unbiased, when what he writes is very biased. The article on the home page is whitewash, as much as the Proclaimers book is.

As a side point, I have a question about the following statement.

attends five one-hour meetings each week at their houses of worship
Does the Watchtower still claim to hold 5 meetings a week? I always thought it a bit dishonest to say we attend 5 meetings when there as only 3. Now that it is only 2 meetings a week, do they claim 4 or 5 meetings?
 
jwfacts
jwfacts 5 years ago

How biased is this statement?
"Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), the founder of what would become modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses ..."
Only a JW would say modern-day JWs, since there have never been Jehovah's Witnesses in the past, either in name or belief?
 
wasblind
wasblind 5 years ago

Hey there JWFACTS,
looks like the five finger grip has slipped
 
alamb
alamb 5 years ago

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/94217/1/MUST-READ-AlanFs-email-to-Knocking-org
Alan F.'s counter.
 

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by Madame Quixote 9 years ago 4 Replies latest 9 years ago   social current
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Madame Quixote 9 years ago

Here is a copy of the response I just received from my PBS affiliate regarding my requests for counterpoints to the new "Knocking" documentary.
I am very happy to hear that they actually received and responded to the email I sent; I only hope they read all of it and actually checked out the links.
Dear (Name Deleted),
Forgive me for the delayed response to your email. Viewer comments,
concerns, and suggestions are always welcomed and appreciated.
In answer to your inquiry, we are aware of the Program Independent Lens
Knocking. We have no current plans to broadcast the Program in the near
future. We may schedule it on our digital channel UNC-ED sometime in the
early summer and will pass on your comments to our Programming Department.Thanks for taking the time to let us know your concerns.
If you should have further questions, comments, or concerns, please feel
free to call member supported UNC-TV's Customer Care Department at
1-888-292-7070.
Thank you for watching member-supported UNC-TV's North Carolina's
statewide public television network. UNC-TV's unique programs and services
provide people of all ages with enriching, life-changing television.
Sincerely,

J Malley
Customer Care Representative
1-888-292-7070
UNC-TV
Sign-up for the UNC-TV e-guidehttp://pbsmail.org/unctv/join.html?r=2day2d61mPJyE

@aol.com on Thursday, January 25, 2007 at 4:56 PM -0500 wrote:
>Dear Programming Director:
>
>If you are going to promote Jehovah's Witnesses' propaganada, such as the
>upcoming documentary, Knocking, I expect that you will also provide
>succinct counterpoint to it, in light of the fact that the Jehovah's
>Witness organization is properly regarded by most of its former members
>as home-wrecking because of its dreadful shunning and
>"dis-fellowshipping" practices. More importantly, their written
>policies on blood transfusions have misrepresented secular, medical facts
>to promote a deadly cult practice that has killed members and that has
>caused much unnecessary suffering. For further details, see:
>
>[ http://ajwrb.org/whatsnew/church_state.shtml
>]http://ajwrb.org/whatsnew/church_state.shtml Please, be sure to include
>that information, with Attorney Kerry Louderback-Wood's well-researched
>analysis, as counterpoint to your Knocking documentary.
>
>I wonder if the show, Knocking, addresses issues such as the Jehovah's
>Witnesses' propensity for hiding sex abuse within their congregations?
>See: [ http://www.silentlambs.org/ ]http://www.silentlambs.org to find
>out more about their secret data base of sex offenders, which a
>California court recently ruled must be opened for the benefit of
>victims.
>
>Please include the following guests, or clips of their testimonials from
>other documentaries, in a counterpoint/panel to follow-up the Knocking
>documentary:
>
>Barbara Anderson, ex-JW and expose-writer; Bill Bowen, founder of
>SilentLambs.org; Kimberlee Norris, attorney of Love & Norris in Texas,
>representing JW victims; Attorney Kerry Louderback-Wood, author of
>"Jehovah's Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, And The Tort Of
>Misrepresentation", featured in the fall, 2005, Journal Of Church
>And State; cult-busters Danny Haszard, Rick Ross, Steve Hassan; and the
>founders of Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform On Blood, ([
>http://www.ajwrb.org ]http://www.ajwrb.org). You might also seek other
>ex-jws from the many chat rooms and Internet discussion boards who
>are speaking out every day against the terrible policies of this
>dreadful, high-control group/cult called the Jehovah's Witnesses. The
>above-mentioned individuals will shed some light on a topic that Joel
>Engardio probably fails to illuminate in Knocking.
>
>I wonder, how much money did the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society have
>to infuse into PBS, via this show, and its director to promote themselves
>on PBS? And how desperately must PBS need their money?
>
>Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing from you on this matter.
>
>Sincerely,
>
> Name Deleted.>Another victim of the Jehovah's Witnesses' policies and practices
 
Gayle
Gayle 9 years ago

I ordered the DVD "Knocking" so I could critique it with intention to send letters to PBS. Thank you for your copy and the response. Great job!! Do you think JWs will get an interest from people because of the program?
 
under_believer
under_believer 9 years ago

>I wonder, how much money did the Watchtower Bible And Tract Society have
>to infuse into PBS, via this show, and its director to promote themselves
>on PBS? And how desperately must PBS need their money?
While I sympathize with your feelings about not wanting Knocking to be shown, the quote above was ignorant.
That's not how PBS or any other public broadcasting network operates. They aren't paid to show things, like a commercial network selling advertising time. On the contrary, they pay for content. Then they sell it to member stations in various markets (in Oregon, it's Oregon Public Broadcasting). Each member station has a great deal of latitude about which programs they purchase and broadcast; which means that the decision to show or not show Knocking is made on a market-by-market, city-by-city basis.
60-70% of funds in the public broadcasting system come from private donations from listeners and viewers. These days a pittance comes from public funds (it used to be a lot more), and the rest is from various corporate and charity donors, like Volkswagen or GE, or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, all of whom are eager to be mentioned as donors on the air.
I think including that nasty, ill-informed little dig probably decreased the value of the rest of your message, which was important and correct.
 
Madame Quixote
Madame Quixote 9 years ago

Unfortunately, I do agree with you that in asking that hard question, it may alienate the person/organization being asked. That would be unfortunate, and I will take what you say under advisement in future installments.
You may be right about the nasty, little dig, UB, and I do agree with all of your points, except for this: I am not ignorant of PBS' dependence on public or private funding; I get to see their beg-a-thons regularly (because I love PBS) and have been a donor.
However, I don't believe that PBS is not beholden to the wealthy public and private corporations that do back them, based upon a number of suspicious-looking maneuvers on their part over the past ten years or so. For instance, they have always claimed not to advertise; however, in my area, every single show is preceded and ended by a slew of "trailers" and irritating announcements for the corportate "donors." That can only be called by an honest appraisal, an advertisement and an endorsement. My local public radio station which is playing classical music in the backgroung also does this, and my church has benefitted from such "advertising" by being a donor.
I don't hate or condemn NPR or PBS for this; I just think they should be honest about what they are doing, and when they seem to be doing something questionable that might involve such quid pro quo backscratching, they ought to at least be questioned about it, most especially by their many, many, small, private donors, like us.
In announcing who their donors are, over and over, they are in fact advertising for them, if not practically soliciting. Years ago, this blatant kind of promotion was unheard of on public radio & t.v. - at least in this area. The affiliates would just make very short, sweet, discrete announcements about sponsorship at the end of the shows, instead. Now, they just plain and slickly promote and advertise - with fairly long dissertations at the end and beginning of shows, with heavily image-laden ads for the sponsors. The public radio announcers actually have a tendency to wax poetic about local businesses and individuals who support the local public radio station, who of course expect to be acknowledged and promoted for doing so (and for bringing coffee, doughnuts, dontated incentives and matching funds to the beg-a-thons) . If that is not quid-pro-quo commercialism, I don't know what else to call it. Do you? Again, this is not condemnation, just an observation.
If you consider 30-40% of their funding to be a "pittance," it is little wonder that you would not like my questioning. (I daresay, if you lost 30-40% of your income, would you call it a pittance?) There is good reason to question all TV stations nowadays, including and perhaps most especially the supposedly public television and radio stations that are indeed desperate for money - any and all money they can get.
Whether 30-40 % of their money comes from questionable sources is a question well worth asking. It may be a dig, but it may also be a well-deserved dig, if in fact the well-endowed WTS (or any other corporate power with a vested interest in promoting their own private agenda on public t.v. might have made some sort of donation to PBS. If that happened, it is worth knowing, wouldn't you think? It is also worth letting PBS know that at least one donor wonders about their willingness to appear to be promotinga cult, and that we would like to know why that might be, I think.
In any event, I do agree with the point you make about alienating the listener. I shall try to avoid that in the future.
 
Madame Quixote
Madame Quixote 9 years ago

A perfect example of why such questions, however irritating they may be, might need to be asked:

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Around the same time, it was revealed that, without telling his board, CPB Chairman Kenneth Y. Tomlinson had paid a conservative media consultant named Fred Mann $15,000 to monitor the political leanings of guests appearing on such programs as "NOW with Bill Moyers" on PBS and the Diane Rehm and Tavis Smiley shows on public radio. It smacked of a blacklist.
 

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The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was created by Congress to be a firewall between public broadcasting and partisan politics. But Tomlinson, a Republican and former editor-in-chief of Reader's Digest, was accused of attempting to use CPB to push a right wing agenda onto the public broadcasting airwaves, threatening its editorial independence.

(The usual full disclosure: off and on, I have worked in public broadcasting for some thirty years, often as a colleague of Mr. Moyers. Even fuller disclosure: for a year, I was a paid consultant to the video division of Reader's Digest. I cover the waterfront.)

Tomlinson insisted that he simply was trying to insure balance, although several surveys -- including two that Tomlinson funded -- indicated that virtually none of the audience perceived any bias, and, in fact, trusted public broadcasting's credibility more than any other network's. Many, including me, called for Tomlinson's resignation.

Since then, better times. Public broadcasting's supporters, tens of thousands of them, protested the Congressional cuts and in a landslide vote -- Democrats joined by more than 80 Republicans -- the House restored the $100 million to CPB.

Tomlinson held on through the remainder of his two-year term as CPB chairman, but last week was forced to resign his membership on the board, several months early. His departure came in the wake of the preliminary findings of the CPB inspector general who, at the request of Congressmen John Dingell and David Obey, investigated the payment to Fred Mann, as well as other Tomlinson transactions. These include possible undue White House influence and the unauthorized hiring of two Republican lobbyists to campaign against legislation that would have expanded the CPB board to include more broadcasters. A full report is to be issued November 15.

The CPB investigation is in tandem with a similar government investigation of Tomlinson's activities in his other job as chair of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the agency that oversees the Voice of America, Radio Free Europe and other United States-sponsored networks broadcasting to foreign countries.

According to Saturday's New York Times, the investigation began at the behest of Congressman Howard Berman, who "received complaints about Mr. Tomlinson from at least one employee at the board, officials said. People involved in the inquiry said it involved accusations that Mr. Tomlinson was spending federal money for personal purposes, using board money for [CPB] activities, using board employees to do [CPB] work and hiring ghost employees or improperly qualified employees...

"In recent weeks, State Department investigators have seized records and e-mail from the Broadcasting Board of Governors, officials said. They have shared some material with the inspector general at [CPB], including e-mail traffic between Mr. Tomlinson and White House officials including Karl Rove."

Rove, it seems, is a close friend of Tomlinson's and, the Times noted, "played an important role in Tomlinson's appointment as chairman of the broadcasting board."

Interesting developments, and in some ways a microcosm of the problems that in general seem to be snapping at the Bush administration's rear end.

But public TV and radio ain't out of the woods yet, not by a long stretch. Last month, the Republican Study Committee, a group of more than 100 conservative GOP House members, proposed cutting $102.1 billion in this year's budget, including the elimination of CPB, to offset the recovery costs of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

Study Committee Chairman, Rep. Mike Pence, now says he doesn't foresee zeroing out CPB -- it's not part of either the current House or Senate budget reduction plans -- but down the road he wouldn't rule it out.

What's more, Ken Tomlinson's ignominious departure still leaves behind a stable of similarly inclined confederates to carry on his conservative crusade. His replacement as CPB chair, real estate developer Cheryl F. Halpern, has in the past suggested that producers be penalized for any programming deemed biased by CPB, a violation of the Public Broadcasting Act. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, she and her husband, Fred, ranked among the top 100 contributors to the GOP during last year's elections, donating more than $220,000.

Her vice chair, Gay Hart Gaines, who trained as an interior designer and is president of the Palm Beach Republican Club, was a founder and former chair of GOPAC, the political action committee that powered Newt Gingrich's 1994 "Contract with America" campaign. According to The Nation, since 1998, she and her husband have contributed half a million dollars to "GOP causes."

(In the past, the CPB chair and vice chair have been split between a Republican and a Democrat.)

Tomlinson also engineered the hiring of former Republican National Committee co-chair Patricia de Stacy Harrison as CPB president and CEO. Harrison, who was an assistant secretary of state and acting undersecretary for public diplomacy and public affairs before Bush friend Karen Hughes took over, was criticized last week by a coalition of media reform activists for bringing to CPB three associates from the State Department p.r. operation. Two of them also have been active in Republican politics and fundraising. One, Helen Mobley, worked for GOPUSA.com, the Texas-based organization that gave us male escort/phony White House reporter Jeff Gannon.

According to Common Cause President Chellie Pingree, "The packing of CPB with individuals more comfortable with selling the United States overseas than with honest criticism of their government sends a not-so-subtle signal to those working in public broadcasting that truth is out and spin is in."

The current situation cries out for the creation of a long-dreamed-of trust fund for public broadcasting, free of partisan interference from either side, and the adoption of several recommendations presented last week by the Association of Public Television Stations. They include increasing the size of the CPB board to include five voting ex officio members from national arts, cultural and scientific organizations; a requirement that four of the political appointments be representatives of public radio and television stations; requiring that the chair and vice chair be from different parties; fewer closed meetings of the board; and prohibiting the hiring of outside political lobbyists or consultants.

All these proposed reforms are small, tentative steps toward an ideal, one perhaps best expressed in 1966 by the essayist E. B. White in a letter to the first Carnegie Commission on Educational Television. In words as well known to veteran public broadcasters as the Pledge of Allegiance, White wrote:

"Non-commercial TV should address itself to the ideal of excellence, not the idea of acceptability -- which is what keeps commercial TV from climbing the staircase. I think TV should be providing the visual counterpart of the literary essay, should arouse our dreams, satisfy our hunger for beauty, take us on journeys, enable us to participate in events, present great drama and music, explore the sea and the sky and the woods and the hills.

"It should be our Lyceum, our Chautauqua, our Minsky's, and our Camelot. It should restate and clarify the social dilemma and the political pickle. Once in a while it does, and you get a quick glimpse of its potential.

Michael Winship, Writers Guild of America Award winner and former writer with Bill Moyers, writes for the Messenger Post Newspapers in upstate New York
Comments? Send a letter to the editor.
Albion Monitor November 15, 2005 (http://www.albionmonitor.com)
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by Louie Schabow 9 years ago 3 Replies latest 9 years ago   watchtower medical
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Louie Schabow 9 years ago

AOL Welcome page for 04/16/07 regarding "In Specials"
http://movies.aol.com/truestories/knocking
Based on the listed posts under "Talkback", at the link shown above, I doubt if my post sees the light of day so I thought I would share it here;
I find it interesting that so many responses to this "documentary" are from the same group of enlightened individuals who refused to watch the Dateline program addressing pedophilia within the Watchtower organization. To state this is a documentary providing fair, equal and unbiased information is a discredit to PBS. The biblical truths that this publishing company promote are nothing more than Orwellian doublespeak. I personally have been subjected to the cruelty and hypocrisy of this organization and can state for a certainty that the Golden Rule is NOT one of the characteristics that this group promotes. Where are their works? My mother claims that the works she provides are "free home bible studies". I must have missed that part of the Good Samaritan offering a home bible study to the robbery victim lying on the edge of the road. Why do I no longer argue with my mother regarding this? It is pitiful and sad to watch an individual suffer from cognitive dissonance in order to reconcile a lifetime of wasted "door to door ministry" Knocking and knocking and knocking.........Only to watch the generation THAT WILL BY NO MEANS PASS AWAY.....be dismissed as an adjustment from Gods Organization. Please note that in my post to the PBS "Knocking" Talkback I referred to the robbery victim as a Tax Collector as I am sure the well schooled JW's will attack that instead of addressing the real issue of their so-called works of love;).
 
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itsallgoodnow 9 years ago

I was just reading the responses listed on the aol site and was surprised to see so much positive feedback and so very little negative feedback. actually only one solid negative comment. I am also very disappointed to see they wouldn't post your comment.
what did you think of the person who said they objected to the one tiny comment in the documentary that nobody was allowed to disagree with the policy, or else be expelled. saying that would never happen.
hmm. yeah, right.
 
Louie Schabow
Louie Schabow 9 years ago

Actually after taking a closer look at the site I am not all that surprised at the content of the listed resposes. They are trying to SELL the DVD. I have to imagine that if all posts were listed it may undermine that effort.
Regarding the shunning. Pleeeeze......I have lived it.
 
abbagail
abbagail 9 years ago

Welcome Louie the newbie:
heehee, great comment about the Good Samaritan Bible Study!
 

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by DannyHaszard 9 years ago 10 Replies latest 9 years ago   watchtower scandals
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http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/107698/7.ashx original ongoing JWD knocking thread dvd_cover_800.jpg
Knocking Documentary Project - DVD orders
A written48-page study and discussion guide comes with each DVD. It provides in-depth historical and social analysis. Extra copies can be downloaded from ...www.knocking.org/dvd_orders.lasso - 24k -  Cached - Similar pages
 Danny Haszard comment: The Knocking "documentary" IS A WATCHTOWER CULT PROPAGANDA PUFF PIECE FROM THE GET GO  Excerpt from the Knocking website--"..This
will include the longer film festival version, plus 3 hours of extra
video
material and a 48-page printed study guide. More details to come." IT COMES WITH A "48 PAGE STUDY GUIDE" This has Watchtower authorship and production all over it.
 
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DannyHaszard 9 years ago

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/107698/7.ashx original ongoing JWD knocking thread on to 7 pages of info and activist contacts
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 9 years ago

Notice how Anderson Cooper's endorsement is is on the front/center DVD cover
Anderson Cooper Supports Pedophile-Harboring Organization
World Forum - Nov 4, 2006
... Maybe this blogger is overreacting but merely typing the words "Jehovah's Witness" or "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" in a Google search will show ...
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html? can post your comment at Anderson Cooper's CNN feedback form
 
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DannyHaszard 9 years ago




http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=Anderson+Cooper worldwide google news ranking for Anderson



Woman Has Anderson Cooper Tattoo
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 If you need proof Anderson Cooper is Tanya Paulin's favorite newscaster, just look at her left calf. The Canadian Press reports ...
 
Anderson Cooper Supports Pedophile-Harboring Organization
World Forum - Nov 4, 2006
 It seems like Anderson Cooper put his name to a controversial religious organization and upset some former followers. ... How could Anderson Cooper not know? ...

Gawker Anderson Cooper, International Man of Mystery
Gawker, NY - Nov 1, 2006
 Before he was hosting The Mole and crusading around New Orleans, CNN anchor Anderson Cooper was just a rich kid with a whitebread dream
 
 
Honesty
Honesty 9 years ago

KNOCKING 48 page 'study guide'

Proudly brought to you by the charlatans of the Watchtower.
 
DevonMcBride
DevonMcBride 9 years ago

Danny,
Your contact link for Anderson Cooper is incorrect. The link you have is for American Morning with Soledad O'Brien. The correct link for Cooper is:
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?10
 
Bryan
Bryan 9 years ago

I have a feeling that the Watchtower not only gave the producer access, but they probably pitch the idea and funded the production. In other words... a propaganda film.

Bryan
 
DevonMcBride
DevonMcBride 9 years ago

Anderson Cooper Supports Pedophile Harboring Organization plays second fiddle to a woman who has an Anderson Cooper Tattoo.
 
Hellrider
Hellrider 9 years ago

Only jws and ex-jws will have any interest in this movie. Noone else would bother sit down for 2 hours to see this sh*t. Jws will watch it and nod and be proud in that selfrigtheous manner, "thank you Jehovah, for giving us this spiritual food now in these difficult times", and noone else will notice. It will soon be forgotten too, plus it`s drowning anyway in all the correct non-propaganda information out there on the net, in books and movies by ex-members.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 9 years ago

Only jws and ex-jws will have any interest in this movie. Noone else would bother sit down for 2 hours to see this sh*t. Jws will watch it and nod and be proud in that selfrigtheous manner, "thank you Jehovah, for giving us this spiritual food now in these difficult times", and noone else will notice. It will soon be forgotten too, plus it`s drowning anyway in all the correct non-propaganda information out there on the net, in books and movies by ex-members.
Plainly put couldn't have said it better myself,just like with scientologist they have PR and VIP celebs and 95% of the general population knows they suck.
I remain a Watchtower counter-cult activist & educator because it's the right thing to do.
 
hambeak
hambeak 9 years ago

Was this produced by the borg?
 

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This notice was emailed to a third party who embeds Watchtower Comments videos on his blog:

"My name is Tom Shepard, Co-Producer and Co-Director of KNOCKING, a documentary about Jehovah's Witnesses.
You have violated U.S. copyright law by not gaining permission to use footage from KNOCKING in the opening sequence of your series of short videos "Watchtower Comments" archived at the URL: http://jehovahswitnessesvideo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html
Please immediately remove all footage you have taken from KNOCKING for use in any of your videos. This footage is copyright protected and you are using it illegally.
If we haven't heard from you promptly, our attorney will file appropriate proceedings, including an injunction and appeal for damages.
Please respond to this email.
Sincerely,
Tom Shepard
Co-Director/Co-Producer
KNOCKING Documentary"
The "illegal" copyright is a 3 second clip in the intro of every WT Comments video (showing a black woman lowering her hand at a meeting).
Your thoughts?
 
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R.Crusoe 8 years ago

My thoughts were that it looked like the poster Mrs Jones!
And that took my mind off anything else!
 
darkuncle29
darkuncle29 8 years ago

They may have you for the moment on their video clip, but I don't think its really a win for them. They're just trying any stupid little thing they can.
You could reply back along the line of asking them if the WTS has changed its stance on Homosexuality? (We know, but do they?) That -the producer?- was raised JW, but never baptized and is now a "Known homosexual". This is the same basic hypocrisy that they showed with the UN: being linked with people that they condem.
I'm not worried for you, you're pretty clever, and I'm kinda curious how you'll respond to them tactically.
 
Moxie
Moxie 8 years ago

That seems so petty... I love the WTcomments videos on YouTube. Such a fuss about 3 seconds of footage. I hope that these videos will still be accessible to the public.
 
Scully
Scully 8 years ago

How difficult would it be to delete that portion of video from your WT Comments segments?
Comply with the request. Then watch him whine that the footage was removed. Do not, under any circumstances, give his work any air time. Any references to "Knocking" that are made on the WT Comments site, delete them. Do not give him one nanosecond of publicity, even if he begs.
 
Wasanelder Once
Wasanelder Once 8 years ago

Youtube will remove your page if you do not rectify this situation. They will remove all videos containing the copyright violated material. Its a no winner. Redo the vids with generic clips and be done with them. Honestly, I lost a video or two for that reason. Is a that three seconds worth a lawsuit? I'd just change the intro so it doesn't cause you grief. Good luck, W.Once
 
brinjen
brinjen 8 years ago

I'd just get rid of the footage, maybe replace it with something like a parent and child, parent raising the child's hand to get him/her to answer? Use a dark background (or edit it out altogether) to focus on them, also eliminates to need for the footage to be "real".
I'm sure we all could brainstorm some ideas that gets the message across...
 
Homerovah the Almighty
Homerovah the Almighty 8 years ago

I would have to agree with Wasaelderonce , the footage fits well into the videos and they are a good set up, but they certainly are not needed to get the point across
call the assholes bluff and remove them I say, You-tube does have a policy regarding these things if I'm not mistaken.
 
blondie
blondie 8 years ago

I agree with Scully. It isn't a crucial or necessary part of the piece. It does show that they are watching them.

How difficult would it be to delete that portion of video from your WT Comments segments?
Comply with the request. Then watch him whine that the footage was removed. Do not, under any circumstances, give his work any air time. Any references to "Knocking" that are made on the WT Comments site, delete them. Do not give him one nanosecond of publicity, even if he begs.
Love Blondie
 
SirNose586
SirNose586 8 years ago

You know that woman's hand lowering is also in one of the Borg's DVDs. That doesn't change anything, but I suppose it would be better than the WTB&TS trying to screw ya....
If only we had a video camera, we could shoot our own footage! Or maybe whoever does have one could shoot some stuff for V!
 
Hope4Others
Hope4Others 8 years ago

With your brilliance you could come up with a winner of an intro!
hope
 
kurtbethel
kurtbethel 8 years ago

Usually I pay close attention to copyright issues on my sites, but I have one where I play a bit loose with it. My policy is if I ever get such a notice about anything on that site I will drop that item like a hot potato and move on.
You might get by with claiming fair use, and that your work is a critical review, and your ace in the hole is that you are not causing them financial damages since you are not making any money from this. It really comes down to how much battle you want to do over a few seconds clip.
 
Awakened07
Awakened07 8 years ago

Copyright schmopyright.
Sure it can be said to be a breach, but I'm pretty sure that if your videos had been pro-Witnesses, this had never come up. It's the same thing on YouTube, when people have critically "dissected" creationist videos and put in commentaries. Those videos are taken down for copyright violation, but when the original versions of the same videos are put up (by regular users, not the makers), they stay up.
Either way - better change the videos and re-upload.
 
monophonic
monophonic 8 years ago

F--- 'knocking'.
seriously i wish the topic would just go away here. the filmmaker is an idiot just scoring $$ from the drones and completely selling out the homosexual community for his light touch and wtbts approved documentary.
some of my gay friends have asked me about the documentary and i tell them straight up this guy's willing to get in bed with an organization that is awaiting the brutal murder of anyone who's gay by God's hand.
he may as well be jewish and making propaganda films for hitler.
he will use any legal action for publicity purposes b/c he's a slimball looking for hollywood cred. take it down if it's your video, do not let him parlay publicity, that's all he's looking for.
 
sacolton
sacolton 8 years ago

I thought JWs can't sue JWs. Doctrine, you know.
 
MissingLink
MissingLink 8 years ago

If this footage is on a WTS publication, then I'd think you just need to contact a Publisher for that corporation to get permission to use it.
Do you know any of the publishers?
 
Jeffro
Jeffro 8 years ago

The clip in question isn't important to the content, so wouldn't come under fair use for critical review. Just ditch the 3-second clip.
 
OnTheWayOut
OnTheWayOut 8 years ago

If it will help, a bunch of us "apostates" could get together and pretend to be at a
WT session and you could record it. We could use a church meeting room or
a Knights of Columbus Hall to make it really blashphemous.
Just ditch the guy's segment. I am sure he didn't make the fortune and fame he's
hoped for, so any free publicity for him would be good publicity.
 
brinjen
brinjen 8 years ago

If it will help, a bunch of us "apostates" could get together and pretend to be at a
WT session and you could record it. We could use a church meeting room or
a Knights of Columbus Hall to make it really blashphemous.
Yeah! Instead of the banner with the yearly text, make up one with the JWD logo.
 
frozen one
frozen one 8 years ago

Maybe you could put in a clip of a "loving" jw parent dragging their kid back to the bathroom for a little "knocking" session because the poor kid is bored beyond reason and is "acting up."
 

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Paralipomenon
Paralipomenon 8 years ago

In order to maintain a copyright the owner needs to show enforcement of said copyright. Failure to do so can be deemed relinquishing rights. If it is true, it would be humorous if the article in question isn't even his own. I would say check the credits of the knocking video and see if he actually has permission to use the video himself. It should be listed in the credits stating the source and copyright owner as the WTS. Something like "Video source used with permission from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society".
That said, I would say this falls under the fair use policy. The videos are in an educational capacity by a non profit stance. Since the original videos are provided free of charge the copyright holder cannot put any dollar figure on damages since the donation arrangement is not tracked on individual purchases. Also the clip is three seconds and not in any way providing the base of the content of your videos.
But I would still remove the clips quickly because if the WTS is the copyright holder, you do not want their legal department coming down on you. They exist for litigation and can cost you thousands in just trying to defend the charge.

Good luck!
 
Jeffro
Jeffro 8 years ago

In order to maintain a copyright the owner needs to show enforcement of said copyright. Failure to do so can be deemed relinquishing rights.
Please note that this is not accurate. It is at the copyright owner's discretion to enforce its copyright, and that right is not relinquished by failing to do so.
That said, I would say this falls under the fair use policy. The videos are in an educational capacity by a non profit stance.
The video clip in question provides no educational use in the video, and therefore is not covered by 'fair use'.
Since the original videos are provided free of charge the copyright holder cannot put any dollar figure on damages since the donation arrangement is not tracked on individual purchases.
Copyrighted material offered for free does not cancel the copyright, and if the copyright is registered, damages can be sought beyond loss of income.
Also the clip is three seconds and not in any way providing the base of the content of your videos.
This is specifically why the clip cannot be claimed as 'fair use'.
But I would still remove the clips quickly because if the WTS is the copyright holder, you do not want their legal department coming down on you. They exist for litigation and can cost you thousands in just trying to defend the charge.
There's not much benefit in keeping the video, and some amount of risk. Just ditch the video.
 
Tatiana
Tatiana 8 years ago

Desperation. Sad. alt The good thing is your videos are being seen by a whole lot of people.  They're obviously making people nervous.
Maybe Mrs. Jones can volunteer to be taped sitting in a very uncomfortable chair raising her hand??? alt
 
mrsjones5
mrsjones5 8 years ago



Maybe Mrs. Jones can volunteer to be taped sitting in a very uncomfortable chair raising her hand??? alt
Gosh, my ears are burning. Yeah black women can blush
Alright, enough about me, I agree with dumping the clip. I'm sure you can think up something even better.
Josie
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

I have a question. When you edit a Youtube video, can you keep the same link, viewer stats, comments, etc. Or do you just start all over with the new video? If you don't have to start over, it's probably easier to just remove the three seconds. If you have to start over, that is a pretty big hit. That could be their primary motivation for what appears to be a frivolous challenge. If you have to start over, I'm sure a lot of us will help to make comments, embed the new videos, etc.
I any case, this is more evidence that "Knocking" isn't an unbiased documentary, but a promotional piece for Jehovah's Witnesses. Does anybody have recent information on the claim that Jehovah's Witnesses were involved in funding this film?
 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

Is what they are discussing considered "fair use"? I happen to deal with copyright issues all the time. Before using any material from another source, go to this site www.whatiscopyright.org and be informed about it.
If you have specific question, feel free to PM me.
 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

Wanted to add this:
Fair Use.
Fair use or fair practice is utilization of a portion of a copyrighted work "as is" for purposes of parody, news reporting, research and education about such copyrighted work without the permission of the author. Use of copyrighted works, or portions thereof, for any other purpose is not deemed fair use, so be careful! That includes copying text or scanning pictures from postcards, magazines, books or any other work. Scanning a photo of the Amazon Forest printed in National Geographic, and using it without permission on your personal web site where you write about your family trip to South America will most likely not be considered as fair use. However, if you republished the photo on your site to comment on the photo as it was published in National Geographic, this would most likely be considered fair use. You still have to credit your source by naming the author of the work on the same page. If possible, take the time to contact the owner and request permission to use the owner's work, and more likely than not the owner will be very appreciative and give you a favorable response.
 
Honesty
Honesty 8 years ago

Pull the 3 second shot and insert a shot from a District a$$embly in that spot.
I don't think the cult can stop that when they specifically invite the medaia and their cameras into their Boasting Sessions.
 
Tuesday
Tuesday 8 years ago

There's an MTV special about inter-faith relationships which has a similar scene. Intercut. Reply to them stating you have removed it and tell them where you got the footage from. MTV will not go after you for a 3 second clip, they don't care. Them coming after you for that 3 second clip is showing you're rattling some cages high up. So don't quit, if you still have the videos saved and you're using Pinnacle, it should be an easy fix. Just try to find that Inter-faith relationship episode of True Life from MTV.
 
deaconbluez
deaconbluez 8 years ago

I think the opening theme should be the Benny Hill theme set to some Witnesses going from door to door...with the video sped up. I swear that song makes ANYTHING funny. Here is what I'm talking about:

 
V
V 8 years ago

Thanks for all your advice. The real sticking point is that YouTube does not allow you to replace videos under the same link. You must reload new videos. All comments and view statistics start from zero. I can easily revise the originals and repost. We'll see.
Watchtower Comments was designed to be nomadic and is prepared for this. At this point I am putting out the call for help, pick one and pitch in!
◦Create YouTube channels and be able to upload Watchtower Comments videos. Channels should be 'disposable.'
◦Film stock footage for Watchtower Comments. I am looking for meetings, service, street work. Has to look right, no goatees!
◦Film your own video response to this issue and post your video on YouTube and elsewhere. Make some noise!
PM me for details. Thanks!
 
edmond dantes
edmond dantes 8 years ago

Ditch the three second intro. and use something more hard hitting for instance the opening bars of Beethoven's Fith Symphony which translates into dot dot dot dash which is morse code for V. The V sign of course is V for victory and would be most suitable for all your great productions.This was used to great effect during WW2. to boost morale especially in occupied countries.
Keep up the good work . da da da der.
 
AK - Jeff
AK - Jeff 8 years ago

I think you have to drop the footage. A stitch in time... and all that.
I am sure that someone here on JWD could produce some similar footage within a week or two, and that footage would be immune, wouldn't it?
Jeff
 
Paralipomenon
Paralipomenon 8 years ago

Jeffro,
My comments were specific to the circumstances here. When copyright issues end up in court, past enforcement of the copyright is very relevant. Depending on the usage, if it can be shown that the copyright holder isn't interested in protecting his works from all infringements, it will weaken his case and could be ruled as forfeiting the copyright. I made the point to explain WHY this action was being pursued, not suggesting that a copyright didn't exist for this work.
Since "Knocking" is a commercial effort, if he does not pursue all perceived breaches of his copyright, that could be used against him later on.
The rest of my comments were based on the humorous assumption that he doesn't even hold the copyright, but in fact the clip was from a WTS video. Especially if the content was currently being used in the "Knocking" DvD as "Fair Use". If they were unwilling to go after someone using their clip for a profit endevour, they would be extremely hard pressed to convince a judge that an apostate YouTube video outraged them and entitled them to damages.
There is the law, then there is the legal system. I still think that if the WTS is the copyright holder, he'd have an excellent case for Fair Use, but honestly, would it be worth the money to fight it?
 
Jeffro
Jeffro 8 years ago

The rest of my comments were based on the humorous assumption that he doesn't even hold the copyright, but in fact the clip was from a WTS video. Especially if the content was currently being used in the "Knocking" DvD as "Fair Use". If they were unwilling to go after someone using their clip for a profit endevour, they would be extremely hard pressed to convince a judge that an apostate YouTube video outraged them and entitled them to damages.
If "Knocking" used the clip from a WTS source, then they don't hold the copyright at all, which is indeed quite funny. If "Knocking" used the clip as part of a demonstration of how JW meetings are held, then their use of the clip is 'fair use'.
There is the law, then there is the legal system. I still think that if the WTS is the copyright holder, he'd have an excellent case for Fair Use, but honestly, would it be worth the money to fight it?
There is no case for 'fair use' here because the function of the video in Watchtower Comments doesn't fit any 'fair use' criteria. Whether its worth the money to fight is the risky part. Remember 'Quotes'?
 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

Very good point, Jeffro. I don't think Knocking holds the copyright for this material. V, persue if you must, but I would suggest getting someone to film something similiar and putting it in or going to something that is considered public domain and using it. But always always remember to notate your sources.
 
sinis
sinis 8 years ago

alt
Film Credits
In Loving Memory
Mark Lim, MD
(1969-2001)
Produced and Directed by
Joel P. Engardio and Tom Shepard
Written and Narrated by
Joel P. Engardio
Editors
Jim Klein
Nathaniel Dorsky
Director of Photography
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Original Music
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Executive Producers
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Additional Editing
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Additional Camera
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Public domain footage from Mauthausen concentration camp in Austria is used
to represent Jehovah’s Witness inmates and Joseph Kempler as a teenage prisoner.
Major funding provided by
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sinis
sinis 8 years ago



Knocking / produced by Open Door Productions LLC ; produced and directed by...



Type of Work:
Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date:
PA0001260517 / 2006-03-21 
Title:
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Description:
Videocassette ; 1/2 in.
Copyright Claimant:
Open Door Productions, LLC
Date of Creation:
2006
Date of Publication:
2006-02-07 
Authorship on Application:
entire motion picture: Open Door Productions, LLC, employer for hir.
 
Names:
Open Door Productions, LLC
 Shepard, Tom
 Engardio, Joel P.
 
Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Billy the Ex-Bethelite 8 years ago

V-
I'll give prayerful consideration to what you list in your needs. We'll see what the flying spaghetti monster says
Wow! You've really got them shaking to make an issue out of that! It's not even that great of a clip.
Okay, so the clip gets replaced. Fair enough. Next, will the WTBTS themselves say, "Hey, you can't use our artwork!" Or, "You can't use quotes from our literature without approval!" ?
On a somewhat different note, what would be the legal issues of doing a "The Making of "Knocking"" documentary farce? Or for legal reasons would it have to be called "The Making of "Knockers""? Then, we'd need a sequel, "The Making of 'The Making of "Knockers"'"...
B the X
 
RollerDave
RollerDave 8 years ago

You know the schedule board outside every KingDumb Hole? How about we get everyone to go snap pictures of as many as we can, they all have the congreGAYtion name on 'em. Then you do a quick montage of them using different ones each time in place of the clip.
 That emphasizes that they may be everywhere, but so are we!
 Let me know, AI can fire up the Apostatruck and go buzz some KingDumb Holes.
 RD
 

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this notice was emailed to a third party who embeds watchtower comments videos on his blog:.
"my name is tom shepard, co-producer and co-director of knocking, a documentary about jehovah's witnesses.
you have violated u.s. copyright law by not gaining permission to use footage from knocking in the opening sequence of your series of short videos "watchtower comments" archived at the url: http://jehovahswitnessesvideo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html .




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Elsewhere
Elsewhere 8 years ago

I looked at the link provided in the complaint but I could not figure out which video they were talking about.
Which one is it?
 
mkr32208
mkr32208 8 years ago

Replace it with three seconds of someone pissing on a copy of 'knocking'
 
mkr32208
mkr32208 8 years ago

honestly I never like the intro anyway. That woman raising her hand didn't add anything to the feel... Ditch her and start over with no intro pics of people just go right at it with your wt coverage. You'll still rattle those cages.
Persecution shows that your doing the lords work! :smile:
 
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V 8 years ago

Its official!
Received via Watchtower Comments YouTube Channel:



Your "Watchtower Comments" videos are illegally using copyright-protected footage from KNOCKING, a documentary broadcast on PBS. The introduction to all your videos uses the same clip from KNOCKING of a woman raising her hand during the Watchtower study in a Kingdom Hall. You do not have permission to use this footage. Please delete it from your videos, as well as any other footage you may have taken from KNOCKING. You use of the footage does not pass "Fair Use" standard and violates U.S. Copyright law. We will ask YouTube to block these videos if the illegally obtained footage is not removed.
Joel Engardio
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KNOCKING documentary
 
kwr
kwr 8 years ago

Obviously you are a copyright terrorist. You should be made to go to Kingdom Hall meetings for the next six months.
 
sacolton
sacolton 8 years ago

V:
Just snip the hand-raising clip and repost. Your information is too important to be tie-up in copyright issues.
Once you've made the edits, there will be nothing to stop you. They are just reaching for any little thing to
keep you from opening the eyes of others. As for the comments, don't put too much concern into them ...
those of us who subscribe will definately return to fill it up again.
Don't let this get you down. Keep making these great videos!
 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

I don't think they own the copyright for this material, I really don't. Was this an email from an attorney? Until you get an official letter from an attorney, don't be intimated, but at the same time cover yourself. They can sue you and they can get you to pay monies for this usage if they do own the copyrights. My dealings with copyrights is that they are not the original owner of this work. The original owner is the WTS, unless they actually went in and taped this footage themselves.
I think you should speak to an attorney about this. I have two friends that are civil attorneys, one who specializes in intellectual property. I would suggest having a one time meeting with an attorney that deals with intellectual property to help you deal with this. My suggestion is to disable it for the time being.
 
sacolton
sacolton 8 years ago

Unfortunately, YouTube doesn't check all the facts. If they get a complaint about copyright then they will either warn
the owner to delete the videos or they will do it themselves and viewers will be welcomed to a "Copyright Violation"
notice as to why to video is not available. YouTube doesn't have the staff to check out every little complaint to see if
it is a valid reason - once they get a legal notice they take action. It would be time-consuming to pursuit this in a
legal case in court and probably cost more than it's worth (I'm sure the WTBTS would be happy to throw money into
this case in their favor).
Make the edits and repost.
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

The original owner is the WTS, unless they actually went in and taped this footage themselves.
I believe they did tape that footage themselves. This link discusses the Watchtower Society's role in that film http://www.knocking.org/watchtower.html
This is a quote from that page, "KNOCKING's camera crews were also allowed to film at a district convention of Jehovah's Witnesses, inside local Kingdom Halls and accompany Witnesses in the door-to-door visitation work."
If I remember correctly, that short scene was part of a longer clip that included some of the featured Witnesses in that film, so it appears unlikely that this was Watchtower archival material, although that was also provided by the Watchtower Society.
 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

V, I really truly believe that you can find footage that is fair use or public domain. My advice is to go with public domain. Look for every online and offline (at a library) information that you can substitute, but if you believe they own this copyright, you have to take it off or else get a copyright permission - which could take forever. I have gotten copyright permissions in one day and others that have taken up to two months. Speak with the person who owns the copyright, apologize (ignorance always helps), that this is your first time doing this and that you would like to use their information. They could turn you down, they could say yes - and document it, with a written letter. If you need I can send you over a copyright permission letter, it's pretty simple. You fax it over, ask them to sign it, and they fax it back.
I am not sure they will go for this, but with all the footage out there of JWs from news footage, it should be too difficult to get it. You will just have to pursue a permission or use public domain.
I hope that helps. I support what you are doing and I don't want you to be dissuaded by this. It is a lesson about using other people's intellectual property and it will help you in the future, as you move forward.
 
sf
sf 8 years ago

Anyone seen the KNOCKING STUDY GUIDE, yet?:
http://www.itvs.org/outreach/knocking/knocking_studyguide.pdf
 
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Your "Watchtower Comments" videos are illegally using copyright-protected footage from KNOCKING, a documentary broadcast on PBS. The introduction to all your videos uses the same clip from KNOCKING of a woman raising her hand during the Watchtower study in a Kingdom Hall. You do not have permission to use this footage. Please delete it from your videos, as well as any other footage you may have taken from KNOCKING. You use of the footage does not pass "Fair Use" standard and violates U.S. Copyright law. We will ask YouTube to block these videos if the illegally obtained footage is not removed.
Joel Engardio
Tom Shepard
KNOCKING documentary
I don't think it is real... A true notice wouldn't contain an error in spelling...
I'll post the quote here and bold what I mean..
Your "Watchtower Comments" videos are illegally using copyright-protected footage from KNOCKING, a documentary broadcast on PBS. The introduction to all your videos uses the same clip from KNOCKING of a woman raising her hand during the Watchtower study in a Kingdom Hall. You do not have permission to use this footage. Please delete it from your videos, as well as any other footage you may have taken from KNOCKING. You use of the footage does not pass "Fair Use" standard and violates U.S. Copyright law. We will ask YouTube to block these videos if the illegally obtained footage is not removed.
Joel Engardio
Tom Shepard
KNOCKING documentary
Shouldn't this read "Your" use of the footage....
Spelling errors happen, but not with a legal document.
 
Tuesday
Tuesday 8 years ago

Bite me is actually right, Youtube does not remove video unless the person can verify they are the legal copyright holder of the footage in question. I think someone in the org is trying to strong arm you. I think the authenticity of that is in question, you might want to call your local PBS station and ask them who to contact regarding the video "Knocking". If you don't want to do it, I will.
 
bite me
bite me 8 years ago

some links that might be useful for a picture to replace (IF YOU HAVE TO)

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/ics/images/e003006.jpg (I think this one would work since no faces are shown)
That is what I have for now.
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

It looks like the notice to V could be a hoax. It is very different than than the first notice. The first notice that came to me was from an email address that is listed on the contact page for the "Knocking" website. Does anybody know if that can be faked?
 
sf
sf 8 years ago

I'd like to insert the STUDY GUIDE into this thread as well, if you don't mind:
http://www.itvs.org/outreach/knocking/knocking_studyguide.pdf
 
bite me
bite me 8 years ago

I'm begining to see/ believe that it is fake. A mehtod to try to scare you into removing it. A real notice would have included a phone number to contact their people. It would have also included an address a postal address at that. Also, NO attorney says "Please respond to this e-mail"
People do not conduct legal matters through e-mail.
 
still_in74
still_in74 8 years ago

just think of all the publicity you would get if they did pursue legal action and the media was informed about it? Petty little trivial matters tying up the courts.
The result - thousands of hits on You Tube WT Comments!
 
sf
sf 8 years ago

MODERATORS:
I am trying to delete the duplicate post in this thread, to no avail. Please oblige.
Thank you.
sKally
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

I just checked and the Watchtower Comments videos are gone. It looks like at least one of the threats was real.
 

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this notice was emailed to a third party who embeds watchtower comments videos on his blog:.
"my name is tom shepard, co-producer and co-director of knocking, a documentary about jehovah's witnesses.
you have violated u.s. copyright law by not gaining permission to use footage from knocking in the opening sequence of your series of short videos "watchtower comments" archived at the url: http://jehovahswitnessesvideo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html .




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ninja 8 years ago

slightly off topic but it links to "knocking"...I have been reading "thus saith jehovah's witnesses" from randolpho (dogpatch).....and on page 114 I see an article from newsweek 1995 that contains a familiar name "joel p engardio"...I found it here also...http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=338&Itemid=8
 
Leolaia
Leolaia 8 years ago

Here is a very interesting real-life story of how a Youtube user successfully defended his "fair use" of copyrighted material:



(part 1)

&feature=related
(part 2)
 
Mary
Mary 8 years ago

F--- 'knocking'. The filmmaker is an idiot just scoring $$ from the drones and completely selling out the homosexual community for his light touch and wtbts approved documentary............He may as well be jewish and making propaganda films for hitler.
Bingo.  The guy's an asshole for even doing that film in the first place, but that's his problem. What I find interesting is that out of all the videos on YouTube, and this guy just happens to come across the "Comments You Will Not Hear" video? Riiight. Well V, at least you know that Crooklyn and their supporters are viewing your hard work. However I agree with others on here: just take the 3 second blurb off----it certainly won't detract from your message.



 
Leolaia
Leolaia 8 years ago

Here are the "Fair Use Principles for User Generated Video Content", promoted by the EFF and the ACLU-Northern California, mentioned in that video:
http://www.eff.org/issues/ip-and-free-speech/fair-use-principles-usergen
If either party is in the US, maybe a call to the ACLU for advice couldn't hurt.
 
JK666
JK666 8 years ago

Maybe the producer of "Knocking" is getting hummers from the boys in Brooklyn?
JK
 
DT
DT 8 years ago

Here is a good video about fair use. It makes V's three seconds seem pretty insignificant.




 
Layla33
Layla33 8 years ago

I think that guy that was posting those comments to V, that seemed like he was a attorney for the WTS, did this.
V, keep us updated, we are here for you.
 
Tatiana
Tatiana 8 years ago




 think that guy that was posting those comments to V, that seemed like he was a attorney for the WTS, did this.
V, keep us updated, we are here for you.



I just was thinking the exact same thing. And, yes.....we are here for you. You know you are doing an outstanding and amazing thing when attorneys start contacting you. Just like what they did to "Quotes." They are afraid of the "truth" and they know the "end is near."
 
V
V 8 years ago

All is well folks, but I still need your help.
PM me to coordinate a YouTube channel project. All you have to do is set up YouTube, Metacafe, Google or oher video-share accounts and be prepared to upload Watchtower Comments videos.
To those who are already doing this, thank you! More news soon. (interesting conversation with Joel...)
 
sf
sf 8 years ago

Very interesting ninja. Thanks.
Apocalypse Later: Jehovah's Witnesses decide the end is fluid
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Jehovah's Witnesses decide the end is fluid
From Newsweek magazine, December 18, 1995, page 59. Article by Kenneth L. Woodard, with Joel P. Engardio.
THE THIRD MILLENNIUM is just four years away, and you'd think that Jehovah's Witnesses would be ecstatic. Ever since the movement's inception in the 1870s, the Witnesses have insisted that the world as we know it is about to end. According to their unique Biblical calculations, the countdown to Armageddon commenced in 1914 -- the first world war was a major sign -- and Christ would establish his millennial kingdom on earth "before the generation who saw the events of 1914 passes away." For countless Witnesses, this prediction was good reason not to save money, start a career or make burial plans. As one of their leaders famously preached in 1918: "Millions now living will never die."
Now, it seems, all millennial bets are off. In last month's issue of The Watchtower, the sect's leaders quietly acknowledged that Jesus was right in the first place, when he said that "no one knows the day or the hour." All previous references to timetables for Armageddon, the magazine now suggests, were speculation rather than settled doctrine. The year 1914 still marks the beginning of the last days. But those who hoped to witness the battle of Armageddon and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth will have to wait. Henceforth, any generation that experiences such calamities as war and plagues like AIDS could be the one to witness the end times. In short, the increasingly middle-class Witnesses would do well to buy life insurance.
If this serious revision of expectations takes the edge off the Witnesses' apocalyptic profile, it also buys them time. The generation that was alive in 1914 is rapidly disappearing, and the the sect's current leadership shows every sign of digging in for the long haul. In recent years the Witnesses have been on a building spree: they just completed a 670-acre educational center in rural New York state that includes 624 apartments, garages for up to 800 cars and a dining facility that accommodates 1,600 people at one sitting. Officials of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (the Witnesses' official title) deny that the leadership felt a generational pressure to change. "The end is still close," says Witness spokesman Bob Pevy. "We just can't put numbers on Jesus' words."
So far, the new interpretation has caused no noticeable decline in membership among the 5.1 million Witnesses worldwide. But then, they rarely air their differences with outsiders. "Believing the end was imminent gave a special urgency to being a Jehovah's Witness," says Ray Franz, a former member of the society's governing board in Brooklyn, N.Y., who left the church in 1981. Older members, especially, heroically risked their lives and reputations by refusing blood transfusions, military service, allegiance to the flag and other acts prohibited by their faith -- all with the expectation that they would soon live forever in the paradise of God's new kingdom on earth. Charles Kris, 73, a retired autoworker from Saginaw, Mich., served three years in prison with 400 other Witnesses for refusing to fight in World War II. "It was prison life, but I took advantage of the time to study the Bible and witness to other prisoners," he recalls.
But for Kris, and especially for those younger Witnesses who have no memory of the rough early days (the Nazis interred many Witnesses in concentration camps), preaching God's message is more important than witnessing the end of the world. "I'd like to see it happen," says Kris, who still hands out tracts door to door.
"But if it doesn't happen in my lifetime, I won't be disappointed."
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sKally
 
triplehex
triplehex 8 years ago

my thoughts on that are very simple: we now have one more reason to create an ANONYMOUS CELL for the WATCHTOWER SOCIETY >:smirk:
 
BFD
BFD 8 years ago

I'm not all that savvy with the computer but I did manage to set up a YouTube account. Just let me know when the vidoes are available again and I will try and figure out how to upload them.
This whole situation pisses me off!
Thanks,
BFD
 
Jeffro
Jeffro 8 years ago

There's a few comments on this thread about the evil motivations of the 'knocking' people taking legal action against 'Watchtower Comments'. But the point is this: it doesn't matter if it seems unfair, or petty, or if the 'knocking' producer isn't nice, or even if everyone who contributed to the making of 'knocking' enjoys running over puppies. If they are the copyright owner (or if there is a just as high likelihood of Watchtower suing if they are the copyright owner), they have the legal right to take action. Claims of 'fair use' do not apply, as the video segment in question is incidental to the subject matter reviewed in the videos.
Just take out the 3 second clip and re-post the videos.
 
Burger Time
Burger Time 8 years ago

Know this is late but I would like to help with the Channel project.
 
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this notice was emailed to a third party who embeds watchtower comments videos on his blog:.
"my name is tom shepard, co-producer and co-director of knocking, a documentary about jehovah's witnesses.
you have violated u.s. copyright law by not gaining permission to use footage from knocking in the opening sequence of your series of short videos "watchtower comments" archived at the url: http://jehovahswitnessesvideo.blogspot.com/2008_03_01_archive.html .




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The following was posted at my guest list the other day, by a producer of a new documentary that is pro-Witness and may go out on PBS. We need to write these people!
Date: 28 Jun 2005 Time: 20:19:32 Remote User:
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Subject: "Knocking" A Documentary Coming soon to PBS "I emailed the producer of "Knocking" and received this (thought you might be interested): Thanks for your interest in the KNOCKING documentary on Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm Joel Engardio, director of the project. Since the http://www.knocking.org/ web site went live a few days ago, I've been hearing from Jehovah's Witnesses like yourselves from Arizona to Arkansas and everywhere in between. Some have commented that the film clip downloads don't work. The site is brand new, and is still a work in progress. Check back from time to time to see new bells and whistles. Also, please note that my email address will change in a few weeks to joel@knocking.org. It's been great to hear from so many Witnesses around the United States. Hopefully word will spread to other countries in Europe and beyond. Please feel forward the link http://www.knocking.org/ to all your friends far and wide. Beyond a national broadcast on PBS in the United States, my goal is to make the film available to international audiences with language subtitles. Indeed, Jehovah's Witnesses are in more than 200 lands, and their story about blood, the Holocaust and preservation of civil liberties resonates around the globe. The aim of KNOCKING is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at a religious group that has long been misunderstood and relegated to cartoonish stereotypes. KNOCKING uses the real life stories of real families to humanize Jehovah's Witnesses. We show both the ups and downs, including what it is like to have unbelieving or opposing family members, and how divided families can find common ground. For instance, the young man who does a groundbreaking bloodless liver transplant has opposing family members who come to the hospital to see first-hand that the new bloodless technology works. I think KNOCKING will be educational and illuminating for a non-Jehovah's Witness audience, affirming for those who are Jehovah's Witnesses, and compelling and entertaining for all. I imagine Jehovah's Witnesses will enjoy the film and will want their extended family, neighbors, co-workers and classmates to take a look as well. We will eventually offer DVDs for home and school use. There will be a special introductory rate for Jehovah's Witnesses. I'll be sure to send more details on that later. In the coming months, I'll send periodic newsletter updates on the film. If you don't want these updates, just write back and tell me to take you off the mailing list. As of June 3, 2005, the film is being edited in San Francisco. We finished production earlier this year. Throughout the course of the project, we filmed in California, Georgia, Ohio, New York, Nevada, and Texas as well as Austria and Poland. We may have filmed in your congregation or at one of your conventions! Throughout the summer we will continue to edit, crafting more than 200 hours of footage into a 60 or 90 minute final film. Thankfully, the DVD will be able to retain all the wonderful additional scenes and interviews that end up on the cutting room floor. The film will be delivered to PBS in the fall, and it will be entered in film festivals such as Sundance. In early 2006, we hope the film will premiere at a prestigious film festival. The national television broadcast on PBS would follow later in 2006. Between a film festival premiere and the national broadcast, we hope to bring KNOCKING to cities throughout the United States for special screenings in community event theaters. This will be a chance for you to see a sneak preview and perhaps meet some of the film's subjects in a live Q&A session. The KNOCKING web site and messages like this email to you will provide information about where and when the sneak previews will take place. If you are interested in organizing such a screening in your city, please contact me directly and we can talk more about how to make that happen. I plan to use local volunteers to organize these screenings. Please keep in mind that every Jehovah's Witness who has contributed to this film, either on camera or behind the scenes, has done so by their own personal choice. There is no official connection to Watchtower, though the Bethel organization in Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill, New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film. It is important to know that this project is independently produced for public television, using public funds. We feel this lends added credibility to the film when viewed by a non-Jehovah's Witness audience. No one on the production staff is a Jehovah's Witness. The director's mother, however, is a Witness in Michigan. I look forward to seeing the positive impact this film has in telling the untold stories of Jehovah's Witnesses. I hope you do, too. Thanks again for contacting us, and the KNOCKING staff will be sure to keep you up to date on the latest progress. Sincerely, Joel P. Engardio Producer/Director AND she sent me this: I replied to the newsletter from the producer of "Knocking" and asked if he was a Witness, and if not, why make the movie. Here is his reply: I'm not a Witness, but my mother is. As a jouralist and filmmaker, I am moved by the incredible untold story of Jehovah's Witnesses. A good story is a good story, period. Joel
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Date: 01 Jul 2005 Time: 12:41:32 Remote User:
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Dear Sirs, I'm writing regarding your documentary, KNOCKING. I'm sure you spent a tremendous amount of time and money on this production, and I certainly wish that I could congratulate you on your efforts, but I can't. I'm so sorry that before you embarked on this project you were not privy to another viewpoint about Jehovah's Witnesses, the one that comes from those who know from first hand experience that what you have been told and what you presented about this organization is not 100% correct. Of course, many statements you made on your web site regarding the subject of your documentary are true. However, you have not been told the whole truth, but many half-truths. Also, as a professional researcher, I can prove that some of the things you think are true about Jehovah's Witnesses is revisionist history.
I know what I'm talking about because of my past 43 years as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, many of those years spent living and working at the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn, NY. I have attached a transcript of a lecture I gave last year in Washington State to a group of people from many parts of this country who were deeply interested in Jehovah's Witnesses for diverse reasons. The attached transcript of my lecture explains who I am and what I did in the Watchtower Writing Department in Brooklyn, NY. It also explains why I'm embroiled in a lawsuit against all of the legal entities of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc., the corporations representing Jehovah's Witnesses.
I'm not a disgruntled ex-Jehovah's Witness who has an axe to grind. I'm the foremost whistleblower who uncovered the massive coverup of pedophile activities within the Watchtower organization. I spoke out in 1992 on the TV program Dateline and continue to do so even at great personal cost and risk. I can substantiate my claims 100% and I think it might be wise for you to consider to include in your documentary the story about the other side, the secret side, of Jehovah's Witnesses before you offer your documentary to PBS stations, or you will be very embarrassed in the future as the facts start to unfold in courts across this country.
Please, I beg of you, read my lecture, and let me hear from you. I will be most happy to kindly discuss this and other important issues that are bedeviling the Witness organization at this time.
Thank you for your consideration of this matter.
Sincerely,
Barbara Anderson
Date: 01 Jul 2005 Time: 12:43:22 Remote User:
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July 1, 2005
Dear Sirs, I'm writing to correct a typographical error that I made in an e-mail which I sent you the other evening. In the third paragraph, I stated that I appeared on the TV program Dateline in 1992. Actually, it was 2002. I should know better than write a lengthy letter late in the evening after a very busy day. (In 1992, I was part of the Watchtower Writing staff in Brooklyn, NY and it was the year when I discovered the pedophile cover-up, so I guess I had that year on my mind as I was writing you.)
My reason for sending an e-mail to you that evening was due to the many e-mails and phone calls I've been receiving from people who are very unhappy about your documentary, KNOCKING. That particular day, KNOCKING was the subject of a lengthy conversation which left me feeling quite sad over the fact that the religion I followed for most of my life has caused so much unhappiness in the lives of too many people. In a letter you wrote to one of Jehovah's Witnesses, which was forwarded to me, you propose through your documentary to "humanize" Jehovah's Witnesses by presenting a "fair look" at a "misunderstood" group. That says to me you want to present this organization in a positive light, something I find offensive. Individually, most of Jehovah's Witnesses are good people, but together as a closed religious community, they have proved by their group actions to be harmful to everything our society holds sacred.
I know that you are still editing the documentary. I hope there is still time for you to do more research on your subject, and not from apologist sources, but outside of the Witness camp. The research I had in mind concerns more on Jehovah's Witnesses' "story on blood, the Holocaust and preservation of civil liberties."
Regarding blood, you have been told that Jehovah's Witnesses would rather die than accept a blood transfusion. The majority of Witnesses, including myself, before I looked carefully into the numerous changes in the teaching, have no idea that as of the year 2000 the Watchtower Society made two significant changes in its blood doctrine.(1)
I quote the following information from a friend of mine, a former leading Jehovah's Witness elder here in the United States, who has quietly slipped away from the organization rather than speak out openly and be disfellowshipped and shunned by his family. I believe he sent you this material on the matter of blood recently, but I'm sending it again to remind you that there is more to the story than what the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses let on.
In 2000, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
1. Dumped a decades old policy that blood completely removed from a person should be disposed of.(2)
2. It dumped a decades old policy that donated hemoglobin should be abstained from.(3)
Ramification
Today it is a lie for the Watchtower Society (WTS) to claim that Jehovah's Witnesses abstain from accepting transfusion of whole blood, erythrocytes, leukocytes, platelets or plasma. Why? Because the WTS no longer forbids Jehovah's Witnesses from accepting transfusion of these so long as it is part of a “current therapy” and it is autologous blood. Examples of this include Jehovah's Witnesses accepting nuclear scanning of red and/or white blood cells. This process requires removal of a portion of red and/or white cells so they can be exposed to radioisotopes. The nuclear charged red and/or white cells are then transfused back to the patient for later scanning.
Another ramification is that Jehovah's Witnesses can freely use hemoglobin based oxygenation therapies, which has already saved lives among Jehovah's Witnesses.
The average Jehovah's Witness does not realize these significant changes, and indeed every active Jehovah's Witness asked responds that if blood is completely removed from a patient it is a grave sin to transfuse it. When asked how they would respond were the WTS to jettison the teaching that blood removed must be disposed of, the universal answer is, “The WTS would never do that!”
Today there is no part of blood the WTS requires Jehovah's Witnesses to abstain from so long as it is sufficiently fractionated first.(4) This leaves important questions unanswered by the WTS:
1. Why does the WTS persist in teaching Jehovah's Witnesses and the rest of the world that Jehovah's Witnesses abstain from blood when it knows perfectly well that Jehovah's Witnesses use products from blood all the time?
2. Given that the WTS requires Jehovah's Witnesses to respect Jehovah's Witnesses for literally using everything from blood so long as it is sufficiently fractionated first, why does it impose any prohibitions on using blood under threat of congregational shunning?
______
References:
1. See Questions From Readers in the June 15 and October 15, 2000 issue of The Watchtower journal
2. “…if blood is removed from the body, it should be disposed of, comparable to the Israelites’ pouring blood out on the ground.”—Anonymous, Questions from Readers, The Watchtower, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Inc., 1982, 6/15: 31
3. “It would be right, of course, to avoid products that listed things such as blood, blood plasma, plasma, globin (or globulin) protein, or hemoglobin (or globin) iron.”—Anonymous, Questions from Readers, The Watchtower, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Inc., 1992, 10/15: 31
4. An acceptable line item on the year 2000 Durable Power of Attorney provided Jehovah's Witnesses by the WTS includes this option: “I accept all fractions derived from any primary component of blood."
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Additionally, on the subject of blood and regarding your advertisement for KNOCKING, exactly how does an instance of one of Jehovah's Witnesses utilizing the best medicine has to offer--your show's example surgical technique--address a religious teaching that in many cases forbids Jehovah's Witnesses from utilizing the best medicine has to offer? For your program to accurately illustrate the cause of complaint regarding the Watchtower Society's blood doctrine, it will have to examine one of the many instances where it leads to avoidable disability or premature death because this is the area where objections lay. No one objects to Jehovah's Witnesses or anyone else taking advantage of advanced medical procedures.
Regarding the Holocaust, please read, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND THE THIRD REICH, SECTARIAN POLITICS UNDER PERSECUTION by M. James Penton. The author, a professor emeritus in the Department of History at the University of Lethbridge, Canada, speaks five languages and translated released German archival documents from the Nazi era. He proves without a shadow of a doubt that the leaders of German Jehovah's Witnesses, some of whom died in the camps, "were from the beginning quite prepared to support the Hitler government." The Witness propaganda has led people to believe that they "were united in their opposition to Nazism and did not collude with the Third Reich," but Mr. Penton proves otherwise. Jehovah's Witnesses' leaders were not politically neutral, and even the number of Jehovah's Witnesses that supposedly died in the camps was fictional.
And, last, but not least, if you read the attachment I sent along with my first e-mail, which contained a lecture I gave, you know that I complimented the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses for their fight for civil liberties for their organization, yet, they prohibit freedom of speech and freedom of religious thought for their members. It is this that causes divided families. There is no "common ground" when people are punished for disagreeing with their religion and when their families remain within the religion.
I'm sure after the release of KNOCKING you will receive many accolades from Jehovah's Witnesses. However, the negative publicity about this group is sure to come and it will be not be pleasant. There are just too many problems as of late connected with Jehovah's Witnesses. Of course, there is the pedophile problem within the Witness group, but what about the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses and their hypocritical stance on the United Nations? Have you heard how, for many years, Jehovah's Witnesses have heatedly condemned the UN in their literature, portraying this organization as the notorious "Scarlet-colored wild beast" mentioned in the Bible book of Revelation, yet, in 1992, the Watchtower organization was accredited as an "associated NGO" with the UN's Department of Public Information? In order to gain this accreditation from the DPI committee in 1991/92, they "voluntarily" applied to the UN's DPI and voluntarily agreed to support the UN charter and disseminate UN information. In 2001, when this was made public, the WTS requested to be removed from the UN's DPI. Therefore, based on the WTS request, the UN "disassociated" the WTS from the DPI and thus, is no longer an "associated NGO" with the DPI. Since this information was made public in 2001, literally thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses have left the organization, many being disfellowshipped and shunned for "apostasy." And there is still an ongoing exodus because of the facts regarding Jehovah's Witnesses longtime UN association. Just this morning, I heard from a man who complained to the WTS about their UN association and the elders in the congregation where he attends were informed by headquarters to read the following sentence to the congregation, "John Doe is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Since March of 2005, this is the way people are disfellowshipped. Now my friend will be shunned by all Jehovah's Witnesses, including his large family and hundreds of lifelong friends.
Isn't the above information "educational and illuminating"? Perhaps you will make a sequel to KNOCKING and offer this other side of the story. Perhaps you will "humanize" me and my husband to Jehovah's Witnesses and also share with non-Jehovah's Witnesses how, after nearly a century of faithful adherence to every aspect of the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, we were punished for telling the truth about the pedophile problem within our religion. And tell them that we went public because it was the last resort since the leaders would not change their policies, and members' children continued to be sexually assaulted by Jehovah’s Witnesses’ molesters. Consequently, for speaking out, we have not seen our son (who is a Jehovah's Witness elder) and his family and literally thousands of friends for nearly three years.
If your aim "is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at a religious group that has long been misunderstood and relegated to cartoonish stereotypes," why don't you also give a non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at former Jehovah's Witnesses and interview some of the tens of thousands of us so everyone can hear what we have had to endure at the hands of "misunderstood" Jehovah's Witnesses because we either left their organization or were disfellowshipped for "apostasy" as I was.
Also, why don't you interview some of the thousands of husbands and wives of Jehovah's Witnesses who are in court fighting to see their children because Jehovah's Witnesses (and their Witness attorneys) don't want "worldly mates" to have any influence in the raising of their children. And, while you're at it, interview some of the thousands of relatives of Jehovah's Witnesses who watched their loved ones die because of the Watchtower Society's misrepresented blood policy. In addition, interview some of the 1,800 victims of child sexual abuse (committed by Jehovah's Witnesses pedophiles), who have approached just one Texas law firm. And how about talking to some of the over 4,000 people who have contacted www.silentlambs.org about their molestation within this organization, almost all unreported to the authorities. And what about mentioning the over 20,000 files kept at Watchtower headquarters that describe each mostly unreported accusation of molestation in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States and Canada. And, last, but not least, tell the world about the children of Jehovah's Witnesses who are emotionally pushed to baptism, some as young as seven years old, and, who, by the time they are teenagers, are disfellowshipped and shunned by their families and the only friends they ever had just because they committed some rebellious "sin." Let some of them tell you what their lives were like on the streets. And let them tell you about the psychological damage and need for therapy because of the self-loathing and guilt because they couldn't live up to the religion's demands. And, if the dead could speak, you could interview some who have committed suicide because they could no longer endure the isolation of shunning.
Joel P. Engardio, Producer/Director of KNOCKING, I dare you to expose your mother's and my mother's religion by telling the whole truth. If you are interested, I can help you by providing tens of hundreds of names and contact numbers of people more than happy to be interviewed for a sequel to KNOCKING.
Respectfully yours,
Barbara Anderson
 
Elsewhere
Elsewhere



Excellent!
Hopefully they will be able to show both the good and the bad sides to the WTS.
So much harm has come from actions of that organization. I would hate to see them ignore or brush it over.
 
kls
kls



It's blood on that producers hands if he tells the lies the wt tells and gets recruitment from this bias program showing he has not looked into to the real cult named Jehovah Witnesses, shame on him

Wonderful Barbera Anderson
 
DanTheMan
DanTheMan






Excellent letter Barbara!!
 
Netty
Netty

Wow, Barbara Anderson is just too good! She said it all, and she said it so well.
 
HappyDad
HappyDad



Excelent response Barbara........and thank you Randy!
However, I doubt that Mr. Engardio will edit any of "our" side into the program since it is so near completion. Plus, I imagine that no matter what truth or fallicies are in his program, he will be well compensated for his undertaking.
We can all just hope that he is a man who might be a lover of truth and follow up on this project with a part B "The Other Side Of The Record".
HappyDad
 
Honesty
Honesty

Wanna bet the Groveling body of Apostate JW's will not instruct their slaves to stay away from the PBS broadcast?
 
AndersonsInfo
AndersonsInfo

I received this interesting e-mail from the producer of KNOCKING this afternoon. Should I reply?
Barbara -- Thank you for your letters. You raise some important issues, and I believe you do so with great agency since you spent so many years in service of Jehovah's Witnesses. The film KNOCKING will have criticism, organic to the unbelieving and opposing family members of the Jehovah's Witnesses our cameras follow. We interview both sides of the family in conjunction with the issues at hand. The intent of the film is to show a side of JWs that is not a cartoonish image. That means a full human treatment, including the ups and downs of day to day life of ordinary JWs put into extraordinary situations. This is the role of documentary film. Unfortunately, KNOCKING cannot tackle every issue that society in general, and the JWs in particular, grapple with. I understand your voice was heard on NBC Dateline in 2002, and that is a very far-reaching program to millions of viewers. Indeed, more than PBS. We cannot re-do the Dateline program. But we are sensitive to the valid criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses. I encourage you to watch KNOCKING with an open mind. The program is not made for JWs or former JWs, that would be too much "inside baseball" for the average viewer. The program is for the public who only sees JWs on their doorstep from time to time, and might be curious about what is good and what is controversial about this group. KNOCKING takes a balanced approach. It does not promote nor does it denegrate.
Sincerely,
Joel Engardio
 
DanTheMan
DanTheMan



But we are sensitive to the valid criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses
I think one of the most valid criticisms anyone could level against JW's is the institutionalized shunning policy and how many thousands of people have lost their entire family and social structure because of it. Are they sensitive to this? Any "balanced" documentary about JW's should feature this issue FRONT and CENTER. Somehow I have a feeling it will be glossed over, or not even mentioned.
 
talesin
talesin



From the first letter posted,
I think KNOCKING will be educational and illuminating for a non-Jehovah's Witness audience, affirming for those who are Jehovah's Witnesses, and compelling and entertaining for all. I imagine Jehovah's Witnesses will enjoy the film and will want their extended family, neighbors, co-workers and classmates to take a look as well.
He has 'changed his tune' in the letter to you, Barbara. It sounds like he is trying to pacify you, and do some damage control, so that we will cease with the protesting.
How about copying your correspondence to the people at PBS who funded this documentary? Perhaps they will take an interest in seeing whether it is one-sided, or really a balanced view of JWs.
t
 
ezekiel3
ezekiel3



Other references to Joel Engardio. This article is favorable to JWs about blood. But scroll down to next post to see his comments in "Apocalypse Later"



Source: http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/1999-02-17/news/news2.html
Surgery Sans Blood
Jehovah's Witnesses refused transfusions -- and led the way to bloodless surgery
By Joel P. Engardio
Published: Wednesday, February 17, 1999

Every so often, Cathy Montoya is awakened on a Saturday morning, like the rest of us, by a pair of smiling proselytizers who have knocked on the door. They read her a Bible verse about God's kingdom, and hand over the latest copy of the Watchtower magazine. She thanks them, and then heads back to bed.
Besides those occasional visitors, and the two cashiers she works with at Safeway who happen to be of the same religion, Montoya never gave Jehovah's Witnesses much thought.
Until now.
Montoya has a congenital heart defect, and is lying in the preop room of Seton Medical Center about to undergo an aortic valve replacement. Her husband and parents stand around her, silently praying as a nurse prepares Montoya for the open heart surgery that is an hour away. The Montoyas are Catholic, but when the doctor cracks open Cathy's chest, he will operate using surgical advancements developed for and perfected on Jehovah's Witnesses.
Montoya's heart surgery will be bloodless.
She didn't ask for a transfusion-free operation, but for decades, Jehovah's Witnesses have made that request. While the religion claims blood is sacred and the Bible forbids using it in any form, doctors -- propelled by the AIDS scare -- are finding ways to rely on blood less, and still save lives with surgery. "Blood transfusions are basically no good, and we are very aggressive in avoiding them for everybody," says Dr. Alex Zapolanski, director of cardiac surgery at the San Francisco Heart Institute and the surgeon doing Montoya's operation.
More than half of the nearly 900 heart surgeries at the institute last year did not involve blood transfusions, and only a fraction of the patients in those bloodless operations were Jehovah's Witnesses. The medical benefits going bloodless are clear: If the chances of HIV infection through transfusion are now remote, acquiring hepatitis through donated blood is not. And even the cleanest donor blood is still foreign, and can weaken a patient's immune system.
Zapolanski is not alone in his views on limiting blood transfusions. A study released in this week's New England Journal of Medicine shows that some critically ill patients actually have a better chance of survival when blood transfusions are limited, while younger and less ill patients are more likely to die when given more blood. As a new generation of doctors challenges blood's status as an all-purpose healer, fewer people are receiving blood than ever before: Ten percent fewer patients received transfusions in 1994 than in 1992, according to the latest statistics compiled by the Center for Blood Research in Boston.
"Indirectly, medical science is starting to see the wisdom of God's law," says James Pellechia, a spokesperson for the Jehovah's Witness church in New York. "While the Bible is not meant to be a book of science or medicine, we believe that when people follow its guidelines, it results in the best and healthiest way of life."
Zapolanski says the bloodless trend has nothing to do with what Jehovah's Witnesses read in the Bible, that it's only about the realization of good medicine. Still, the rise of bloodless surgery has created a rare happy circumstance: For a change, religious belief and medical science stand on common ground.
Cathy Montoya nervously runs her fingers through her dark, bobbed hair as she lies in the preop room. It is just past dawn and a trashy Jackie Collins novel sits open on the bedside table. The young mother of two toddlers laughs and jokes with her husband and elderly parents who have gathered by her. They all saw the movie Patch Adams days before her surgery.
"This family laughs a lot -- it's a coping mechanism," Montoya says. "It's my personality, but believe me, I'm stressed-out on the inside."
It's the first week of January; Montoya postponed the operation until after the holidays, even though her doctor suggested it be done sooner. Her faulty valve, which up until now produced nothing more ominous than a slight murmur, has begun to cause a back-flow of blood into the heart. This reverse flow is enlarging her heart toward the point where it could lose elasticity and fail.
"I started crying when they told me. I couldn't believe it," says Montoya, who is just 34 years old. "I thought, 'I'm too young to have heart surgery.' But I knew this is serious."
When the nurse ushers everyone out of the room for a few minutes, Montoya's husband, Rick, lets his joking smile fade. "I'm very nervous. They're going to operate on the organ that keeps her alive," he says, matter-of-factly. "One slip and she's gone."
Rick pauses, thinking about what he's said. His eyes begin to well. "I can't imagine life without her."
Though anxious about her chest being opened, Montoya is not worried about the bloodless approach. Because Montoya is not a Jehovah's Witness, Zapolanski had her donate a pint of her own B-positive blood prior to the surgery -- just in case. "I don't feel like a guinea pig in any way," she says. "Medicine has progressed and my surgeon is progressive, which is a good thing."
Three nurses dressed in blue scrubs arrive; one injects some Valium into the intravenous line protruding from Montoya's arm. "Better kiss her now before she falls asleep," the nurse says.
"I love you," Rick says, as Montoya struggles to keep her eyes open. "You'll be OK."
In the operating room, Montoya is surrounded by the heart/lung and anesthesia machines, various monitors, and a half-dozen stainless steel carts draped in blue coverings, which hold an array of sterile scalpels, scissors, and clamps.
The cell-saver machine also sits close by. Integral to bloodless surgery, the dishwasher-sized box is equipped with cylinders that spin collected blood, cleaning it before returning it to the body. A nurse follows each stroke of the surgeon's knife with the cell saver's hand-held suction gun. It is attached to a long, plastic tube, through which every stray drop of blood travels back to the machine for recycling.
Montoya's entire naked body is painted with an iodine prep solution that kills bacteria and gives her skin a yellowish, jaundiced glow. Everything except a rectangle from her belly button to her breasts is draped in blue gowns. The exposed skin is covered with a clear, Saran Wrap-like sheath.
The first incision is done with a scalpel, about four inches long down the center of the chest. Zapolanski likes to work with openings shorter than the traditional eight inches; less room to bleed.
With the first cut done, the scalpel is quickly tossed aside. In bloodless surgery, the doctor relies on a laserlike device that, as it cuts, uses heat to seal vessels and stop bleeding. This instrument, known as an electro cautery, sparks as it burns through the fat and the surgeon clears a path to Montoya's sternum. Smoke rises from her chest.
There are a few inches of fat covering the sternum, and Zapolanski keeps poking his finger in the opening he has cut, trying to feel down to the breastbone. He uses a metal spatula to push the flesh aside so he has room to cut across the sternum when he reaches it.
Revving up the saw, which makes a high-pitched sound, like a dentist's drill, Zapolanski begins to cut. His assisting surgeon and a nurse must help as they lean in and almost wrestle over Montoya's body in an effort to pry open the rib cage. The nurse inserts a retractor, and Zapolanski cranks it as the sternum separates to reveal the heart beating under its pericardial sac.
The surgeon burns through the sac, exposing the heart, which rolls in a sideways motion, rather than beating up and down.
"That was the most difficult part of the operation," Zapolanski says. "Once we get it open and get access, the rest is easy."
To replace Montoya's valve, the surgeon will have to stop her heart. He calls for the anesthesiologist to inject a massive dose of the drug heparin, which primes the patient's blood to move through the heart/lung machine that will oxygenate and circulate her blood -- and, everyone hopes, keep her alive -- during the remainder of the operation.
For 64 minutes, Montoya's heart does not beat. During that time, Zapolanski cuts out the defective aortic valve that was causing the dangerous back-flow of blood. Then he sews in her new valve, taken from a cow's heart.
During the operation, Montoya's hematocrit level -- the percentage of essential red cells in her blood -- plummets to 23. The normal percentage is almost double that, between 40 and 45. Years ago, the old medical school rule was to transfuse if the hematocrit reached 30. Now, Zapolanski doesn't like to consider transfusing until it gets to 18.
"Most physicians have knee-jerk reactions with transfusions and just give them out liberally and indiscriminately. I don't," Zapolanski says. "We take it to the other extreme."
But he is not dogmatic. Nearly half of the institute's heart surgeries last year did require some use of blood. And Zapolanski doesn't use the same criteria for an elderly lady who weighs 90 pounds and a man in his 40s.
As he operates, the handsome, 47-year-old, Argentine-born surgeon tells his favorite Fidel Castro jokes and makes dinner plans while looking into an open heart with his fiber-optic headlight. Yet he works with a cautious intensity, obsessed with closing his operations perfectly.
Montoya's heart is shocked back into running. All that's left is wiring the sternum shut and sewing up her chest. "I could close, but I'm dragging my feet," he says, blotting the sternum with gauze and suctioning with the cell saver. "I'm making sure she's dry and doesn't bleed."
The last group you'd expect to agree with Dr. Zapolanski's disdain for donor blood is the Red Cross. But by the group's own numbers, the chances of contracting AIDS from a pint of blood is about 1 in 700,000. For the currently incurable hepatitis C, the risk is as high as 1 in 30,000. The danger increases with each bag of blood a patient receives, and a lot of blood is given: In the U.S., nearly 3.5 million people receive some 11 million units of blood each year.
For hospitals, going bloodless may be good business. With blood costing $400 to $500 per bag, there's good fiscal reason to cut back on the amount of blood transfused each year. And, of course, the fewer patients who contract blood-borne diseases from transfusion, the fewer lawsuits there are to settle.
"We support the concept that you should not give blood, or any other medicine, unless the benefits outweigh the risks," says Dr. J. Lawrence Naiman, chief medical officer for the American Red Cross Blood Services of Northern California. But Naiman does wonder whether the "transfusion trigger point" has been allowed to drop too low.
"One concern I have is getting carried away trying to avoid blood totally," Naiman says. "That's a delicate, thin red line you're drawing, and if you draw it too low, you can risk jeopardizing the patient."
Still, Naiman admits, today's more conservative approach to blood is a welcome medical advance.
"Jehovah's Witnesses forced physicians to stretch their imaginations to think about what they could do without blood," Naiman says. "Physicians successfully bent the rules in treating Witnesses, which has given them confidence that they don't need to transfuse as often as they once thought."
Cecil Swindall is sitting up in his hospital bed, groggy, looking at his wife, Ruth, when Dr. Zapolanski walks into the room. The patient is doing well, considering that just days ago, a 12-centimeter aneurysm -- a thinning and ballooning outward of an arterial wall -- had been sitting on his heart.
The 73-year-old elder of the Clearlake Jehovah's Witness congregation survived the riskier side to bloodless surgery. His blood count was too low for doctors to safely remove his aneurysm without transfusing. Since transfusion was not an option, Zapolanski had to try to build Swindall's blood count artificially with a drug that stimulates the bone marrow to make more red blood cells. The treatment takes time -- up to several weeks -- and Swindall's aneurysm could have blown any day, with disastrous, probably fatal, results.
Despite his strides in bloodless surgery, Zapolanski says he doesn't particularly enjoy treating Jehovah's Witnesses because of the enormous demands they place on his ability.
"The Jehovah's Witness patient puts more pressure on me to be perfect, because nothing can go wrong. If it does, I have to let them die on the table," Zapolanski says. "And that goes against everything I stand for."
At Los Gatos Medical Center, the latest Bay Area hospital to open a transfusion-free medicine program, Dr. John Kelley oversees many of the bloodless surgeries. Techniques that deliberately lower blood pressure and add fluid to the body, so the patient ends up bleeding saline solution instead of red blood cells, can help make worst-case scenarios rare, Kelley says.
"It's like going in with your seat belts and air bags on already," Kelley says.
The risks Jehovah's Witness patients are willing to take have undeniably helped doctors discover new thresholds in the body's ability to recover from low blood counts. But relations between the Jehovah's Witness church -- which now boasts some 1 million American members -- and the medical establishment have not always been amicable. There was such animosity, in fact, that doctors and hospitals at times sought court orders to force blood transfusions on Jehovah's Witness patients.
The mood slowly began to shift about 10 years ago, when the church started a lobbying effort to get hospitals to consider bloodless medicine. One of the initial hurdles involved simple misunderstanding: The Witnesses often were confused with Christian Scientists, who rely on prayer instead of medical treatment when they are sick. The Witnesses, however, accept all medical care, except blood.
"We had to insist that our saying no to blood did not mean we were fighting medicine," says Eugene Rosam, who helped direct the church's outreach program. "We were, in fact, encouraging medicine to make new advances to treat us and benefit everyone else."
Dr. Randall A. Oyer, director of the bloodless surgery program at Walnut Creek's John Muir Medical Center, says his hospital was approached by the church, and in 1994 John Muir became the first bloodless center in Northern California. Now there are almost 80 such programs at hospitals across the country.
"The Jehovah's Witnesses are a very organized and informed group who did lobby physicians to take care of them," Oyer says. "They were perhaps the prime motivators of bloodless medicine initially, and equal contributors once the AIDS scare hit."
In his five years directing the bloodless program at John Muir, Dr. Oyer has lost one Jehovah's Witness patient as a result of blood refusal.
"She could have desperately benefited from a blood transfusion," Oyer recalls. "It was a painful situation, but I respected the patient's rights and took comfort that the patient and her family were peaceful with their decision."
Two days after Cathy Montoya's aortic valve replacement, she is out of intensive care and resting in a regular hospital room. Her kids, ages 2 and 4, see Mom for the first time since the surgery. The youngsters try to crawl around her, offering hugs, while being careful not to touch her belly.
"My chest still hurts, but nothing like when I first woke up," Montoya says.
Lingering pain and a 4-inch scar are her only reminders of the heart surgery she dreaded for so long. She is amazed; under the anesthesia, it all seemed to happen in the blink of an eye. And she wonders about that pint of blood she donated, the one that was never used. "It's incredible," Montoya says. "I thought for sure they'd have to use some of it."
Although still in the hospital, Montoya sees her life already returning to normal. She can't wait to go home. The prospect of a return to work is less exciting, but when she does go back to Safeway, she plans to talk to those two Jehovah's Witness cashiers.
"When I see them, I'll have to ask about what they believe," Montoya says, "and let them know how it helped me.
 
talesin
talesin



Ezekiel
EXACTLY. I read this stuff when I first read about the documentary, and it's obvious he is a JW sympathizer, if not a flat-out apologetic.
tal
 
ezekiel3
ezekiel3



This article actually quotes Ray Franz...maybe there's hope?
Source: http://www.caicusa.org/jws/predictions/newswk1.htm



Apocalypse Later
Jehovah's Witnesses decide the end is fluid
From Newsweek magazine, December 18, 1995, page 59. Article by Kenneth L. Woodard, with Joel P. Engardio.
THE THIRD MILLENNIUM is just four years away, and you'd think that Jehovah's Witnesses would be ecstatic. Ever since the movement's inception in the 1870s, the Witnesses have insisted that the world as we know it is about to end. According to their unique Biblical calculations, the countdown to Armageddon commenced in 1914 -- the first world war was a major sign -- and Christ would establish his millennial kingdom on earth "before the generation who saw the events of 1914 passes away." For countless Witnesses, this prediction was good reason not to save money, start a career or make burial plans. As one of their leaders famously preached in 1918: "Millions now living will never die."
Now, it seems, all millennial bets are off. In last month's issue of The Watchtower, the sect's leaders quietly acknowledged that Jesus was right in the first place, when he said that "no one knows the day or the hour." All previous references to timetables for Armageddon, the magazine now suggests, were speculation rather than settled doctrine. The year 1914 still marks the beginning of the last days. But those who hoped to witness the battle of Armageddon and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth will have to wait. Henceforth, any generation that experiences such calamities as war and plagues like AIDS could be the one to witness the end times. In short, the increasingly middle-class Witnesses would do well to buy life insurance.
If this serious revision of expectations takes the edge off the Witnesses' apocalyptic profile, it also buys them time. The generation that was alive in 1914 is rapidly disappearing, and the the sect's current leadership shows every sign of digging in for the long haul. In recent years the Witnesses have been on a building spree: they just completed a 670-acre educational center in rural New York state that includes 624 apartments, garages for up to 800 cars and a dining facility that accommodates 1,600 people at one sitting. Officials of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (the Witnesses' official title) deny that the leadership felt a generational pressure to change. "The end is still close," says Witness spokesman Bob Pevy. "We just can't put numbers on Jesus' words."
So far, the new interpretation has caused no noticeable decline in membership among the 5.1 million Witnesses worldwide. But then, they rarely air their differences with outsiders. "Believing the end was imminent gave a special urgency to being a Jehovah's Witness," says Ray Franz, a former member of the society's governing board in Brooklyn, N.Y., who left the church in 1981. Older members, especially, heroically risked their lives and reputations by refusing blood transfusions, military service, allegiance to the flag and other acts prohibited by their faith -- all with the expectation that they would soon live forever in the paradise of God's new kingdom on earth. Charles Kris, 73, a retired autoworker from Saginaw, Mich., served three years in prison with 400 other Witnesses for refusing to fight in World War II. "It was prison life, but I took advantage of the time to study the Bible and witness to other prisoners," he recalls.
But for Kris, and especially for those younger Witnesses who have no memory of the rough early days (the Nazis interred many Witnesses in concentration camps), preaching God's message is more important than witnessing the end of the world. "I'd like to see it happen," says Kris, who still hands out tracts door to door.
 
garybuss
garybuss



 Let's make our own documentary.
Not religious, just facts.



 
carla
carla

I agree with Gary. We need a new video. I just watched the one offered on Freeminds. It is very good and informative, however it is a bit dated and the words don't match up the faces. A new one could also include the pedphile problems, blood changes, UN scandal, etc.. etc.. A federal grant to make this should not be too difficult to obtain. If the jw's can work the system, someone here with those skills should be able to. Anyone with film experience? Who made the original 'Witness of Jehovah'? Maybe they could do a new updated version. Any other ideas? carla
 
Mr. Kim
Mr. Kim



 NOW, if only everyone would really hold the WTB&TS responsible for the fornication, hypocrisy and other dirty, self-righteous deeds with the UNITED NATIONS and the diatribe of disingenuous tripe from the OVERLORDS (Elders) in each Kingdom Hall.
 Is that asking too much?
The real question is:::



WILL THE REAL "TRUTH" EVER BE TOLD AND THE OVERLORDS BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?
 
bikerchic
bikerchic

 Way to go Barbara!
 
sf
sf



Oh yea. A thread I can really sink my west coast choppers into.
First and foremost...{{ warm, tight hugs to barb and joe }}.
Girl, you know what I see happening, don't you? I bet you think it too.
This is brilliant.
I am definetly going to enjoy participating in removing Pandora's dusty lid off of KROOKLYNS WATCHTOWER CORRUPTORATION.
And if they even dare to put this program on without taking your comments seriously, I say it will be a serious error on their part.
It won't be mud or egg that will end up on their faces.
Haha, speaking of Bozo:
Jehovah's Witnesses are in more than 200 lands, and their story about blood, the Holocaust and preservation of civil liberties resonates around the globe. The aim of KNOCKING is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at a religious group that has long been misunderstood and relegated to cartoonish stereotypes. KNOCKING uses the real life stories of real families to humanize Jehovah's Witnesses. We show both the ups and downs, including what it is like to have unbelieving or opposing family members, and how divided families can find common ground.
He really needs to stop Klowning around here. When I get done with the public, IF THIS AIRS WITHOUT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION OF ALL THAT BARB ADDRESSES IN HER COMMENTS, they will WITNESS the unsugarcoated version.
As a jouralist and filmmaker...A good story is a good story, period.
Ah, how transparent.
is no official connection to Watchtower, though the Bethel organization in Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill, New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film.
That can easily be verified.
Well folks, it will be very interesting to watch how this all unfolds.
It's very exciting though. There is something fishy going on. I can feel it.
What will be profoundly sad and a bit un-nerving is that the pedophile epidemic should have been what nudged Pandora's Box. Yet, I see the strategy in this program. They very well could end up pulling it off.
{{Excellent work overall }} I'll call soon for a chat.
Love, sKally, MY MOTHER TOO KLASS

talesin
talesin



Yes, Yes, Yes!!! bwaa hahahaha
Ezekiel, I think the highlights show exactly how he puts the almost-perfect dash of 'leaven' into the loaf (to coin a term).
Good job, folks!
Hey, everyone .. let's keep those cards and letters comin'...

Sunspot
Sunspot



On this so-called truped up documenary which is designed to show the "non-cartoonish" life of a JW, my question would be.........how could this even come anywhere near being "accurate"?
When you come right down to it, this "life" does border on foolish at best. Would they show a snippet of a Public Talk with publishers dutifully opening their bible at the prescribed time? OR, would they show more in-depth reality where the JWs are inanely "answering" the prepared questions in front of them in the appropriate literature, and little ones systematically forced to sit there while all this "lifesaving" droning is going on?
Would they show those same little ones heading off for "loving discipline" while the meeting is going on (and on and on) and would they show some of the sheep escaping to "the back" for a breather and a chat with friends?
Would they dare to show a Service Meeting where they are instructed on how to engage householders in meaningful (bible-based-TM) conversation, or where the "conversation stoppers" are demonstrated so they can try and worm their way in to the homes of the unsuspecting?
Finally, would they even begin to uncover the (expected) day to day routine of the average JW, complete with all the preparattion for, getting ready for and attending all the meetings? Field Service? Assemblies and Special Assembly Days? Do they seriously want to show how extremely difficult and demanding it all is?
I don't think so. You will end up seeing yet another dreamy-eyed view of how wonderful it is to be "a servant of the Watchtowergod" wrapped up with a big ribbon with a bow.
Methinks it would be best if they let it go at "cartoonish".

Annie
PS Love to Barb and Joe, MY personal heroes



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Mulan
Mulan 11 years ago



Barb, you should email him definitely.
I would mention, once again, the blood issue again and how his "facts" presented in the documentary are not current teaching. He completely skipped that in his reply to you.
This guy was probably raised a JW, and in the back of his mind, still believes "it's the truth". You know how many times we used to hear that from mothers of kids who were never baptized?
Great letters by the way. You can sure write!!
 
stevenyc
stevenyc 11 years ago



Edited:
I think my post here is off the subject for this post so I'll put it in a new one.
steve
 
Sunnygal41
Sunnygal41 11 years ago



Kudos to Barbara for her (as usual) outstanding ability of erudition. Maybe our next hurdle, as ex-JW's should be to make known what the disfellowshipping and dissassociation policy does to those of us who choose to leave. I.E., suicide, depression, etc. Far more of us are affected by this, I think, with no disrespect intended to those who have been subjected to the horrors of child abuse. So many of us were sucked in by them while in a vulnerable state. Some of this can certainly be attributed to lack of empowerment/dysfunctionality that has been passed down from family to family and society, in general. But, we can certainly share our painful experiences and help others to not repeat and even transmute our negative experiences into positive wisdom for future generations.
Terri
 
Big Tex
Big Tex 11 years ago



I received this interesting e-mail from the producer of KNOCKING this afternoon. Should I reply?







 Yes, his reply was intentionally obtuse. You brought up serious, legitimate issues that he dismissed with a curt "don't want to re-do Dateline". This completely ignores a reasoned, well thought out response to his canned post that was little more than a commercial.

While on one hand, I can understand staying true to an artistic vision, and to say what you need to say in a film. However, for a documentary filmmaker to ignore hard facts simply because those facts don't fit into a pre-planned story invalidates whatever objectivity and journalistic moral high ground he may have had.
Set the wayback machine to the early 1990s and PBS were considering airing a "documentary" about the Catholic church in which the "ups and downs" of being a priest, or making Mass weekly, etc. were on the docket. Consider too if such a filmmaker came across concrete, irrefutable facts about a massive coverup of pedophile priests and ignored it. Such a filmmaker would be either a fool or irretrivebly stupid. Realize if a film came out in the early to mid 1990s that addressed a very serious ongoing criminal problem, while at the same time showing how people of faith really tried to live their faith, how would such a film be viewed today? Visionary, bold, daring, and could be the stuff of which careers are made.

I think however, more progress can be made with PBS itself, or its affiliates as this person apparently has his own narrow agenda and is interested in making an infomercial for a book publishing company, not a film about a religion.







Chris
 
Panda
Panda 11 years ago



Barbara, You're a great writer. You make sense out of that film makers fuzzy logic (not warm and fuzzy). You should definitely answer him in your straight forward words. Let him know that you know what he's trying to do and you've got a snowblowing machine so don't even attempt to "snow you under".
Thank you so much for your work.
 
sf
sf 11 years ago



I think however, more progress can be made with PBS itself, or its affiliates as this person apparently has his own narrow agenda and is interested in making an infomercial for a book publishing company, not a film about a religion.
I fully concur and did send another email to newshour@pbs.com this morning.
I will also be calling the Service Dept Tuesday. As I'm sure no one will be available Monday. I might try Monday though.
Barb, I say call the two gentlemen too. I whois.net (ed) www.knocking.org. It supplies phone numbers. If you can't find them, pm me.
sKally
 
Satanus
Satanus 11 years ago



They should rename it 'wt knocking boots - a history'.
S
 
sf
sf 11 years ago

alt
 
talesin
talesin 11 years ago

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AlanF
AlanF 11 years ago



I just sent this email off to Joel Engardia:

Hi Joel,
Having been born and raised a Jehovah's Witness, I was interested to learn recently of your upcoming PBS film KNOCKING. I've long been a fan and supporter of PBS for its superior and informative programming, and my email to you is in the spirit of keeping up PBS's high standards.
MY BACKGROUND
First a bit of background on me. My family has been involved with the Witnesses since my paternal grandfather, in 1918, stood overnight on his porch with a shotgun, protecting a near-dead Bible Student colporteur who had been tarred and feathered in his small Oklahoma town of Shattuck. The townsmen were caught up in the fever of WWI and did their patriotic "duty". Grandpa never became a Bible Student, but grandma did in 1920, and was, using Jehovah's Witness jargon, "of the anointed". My dad was born in 1917, and grandma nearly died of the Spanish influenza while carrying him. He became a member of the Brooklyn Bethel staff in 1938 and stayed there until he married my mom (born 1927) in 1946. He quickly rose up the Bethel ladder, and became friends with a number of men who today are top Watchtower officials. Today the President and Vice President of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania remember my dad fondly. He died in 2001.
I was born in 1951, and of course was brought up in the Witness religion. In 1954, Barbara Anderson (who wrote you a few days ago) was a 14-year-old who appeared at the Kingdom Hall in Hempstead, New York, where my family attended JW meetings. My dad was the Congregation Servant. My mom befriended Barbara and they remained close friends until Barbara left the JWs around 1997. Today she's like my big sister.
During the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Watchtower Society encouraged the JW community to believe that 1975 would probably bring the long-awaited battle of Armageddon. I didn't go to college, after graduating high school in 1969, because I was caught up in the fever of that belief. However, I went to college in 1978, after the 1975 date proved wrong. I graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1982 with a BS in electrical engineering. I now have an MS in that field, and work for an international semiconductor company, designing microchips that are used in everything from cell phones and hard disk drives to Nintendos and Sony Play Stations.
While at MIT, I took an anthropology course, and had to write a term paper. I chose to write an essay upholding my belief in the JW view of Noah's Flood, using the notion taught by the Watchtower that the spread of languages from Mesopotamia after the Flood proved that it was a real, historical event. I was happy to have the use of MIT's extensive library facilities. Unfortunately, when I researched the many references in Watchtower publications to secular material that supposedly supported its teachings, I found that the majority were unusable, because they either failed to support the point being made, or even contradicted the Society's claim. Eventually I wrote a paper on a different subject, but this experience taught me that the Watchtower Society is guilty of much scholastic dishonesty. This, along with my disappointment in the failure of the Society's predictions for 1975, led to my quitting the Witnesses, for all practical purposes, by about 1980.
In 1975 I married a JW "pioneer sister". We had one daughter, born in 1985. By 1986, after my wife came to realize that I was never again going to be an active JW, she emotionally gave up on me, figuring that it wasn't worth her investment to love a man who would soon die at Armageddon. We divorced in 1994-96.
Over the years I did a great deal of research into the beliefs and history of Jehovah's Witnesses. My research completely confirmed what I had accidentally learned back in 1980 -- that the JWs as an organization are intellectually dishonest. I've been active on the Internet since 1991, learning and writing on JW-related topics and plenty of other things. Today you can find how much writing I've done by typing my name in any Net search engine.
In 1997 I married an ex-JW I had met on the Net several years earlier. In that year also, by an odd series of coincidences, I learned that Barbara Anderson had left the JWs, and we soon connected. Through her, it was confirmed for me that many rumors of mishandling child molestation issues by the Society were true. For example, in 1984, Governing Body member Leo Greenlees was convicted by the rest of the JW Governing Body of molesting a young boy. Greenlees was forced to leave Bethel but was never reported to the police, and he was assigned to be a "Special Pioneer" for the Society until his death a few years later. Since 1997, I've worked with Barbara and others behind the scenes trying to force the Watchtower Society into a position where it had to properly deal with this serious problem.
SHUNNING
As you know, JWs practice shunning. Shunning is done on both formal and informal levels. The formal level entails both "disfellowshipping" and "disassociation". In the first case, a person goes through a trial of sorts and is judged unrepentant of some sin, and then formally expelled from the JW organization. In the second case, the person is declared to have removed himself from the JW organization. In practice, the two terms amount to the same thing -- shunning of the expelled person by all JWs. Informal shunning covers a range of possibilities, from a JW simply deciding not to associate with someone, to the Society's writing a letter to a family or congregation suggesting that a person be informally shunned.
People who join the JWs are not told that they'll be required to completely shun someone they might love simply because a group of local elders applies the "disfellowshipped" or "disassociated" label to them. The practice is glossed over in the "Bible studies" leading up to formal baptism into the JW organization. Nor is a convert told that one of the baptismal vows is a legally binding one of absolute loyalty to the JW organization.
Children who are baptized as JWs -- even as young as 7 or 8 years -- are treated exactly the same as adults in terms of shunning. There are many stories of young teenagers doing the normal teenage stupid things, and ending up being shunned for life by their entire families.
I have a good deal of experience with shunning and the wrecked families it can create. My wife (and her youngest sister) has been informally shunned by her JW brother and sister since she quit the JWs in 1985 and divorced her abusive husband. About 1988, her brother wrote a letter to the Society asking how he should treat her. They told him not to pursue disfellowshipping, but to informally shun her. This has caused immense pain all around, especially to their parents, who are two of the dearest people on the planet.
In 1999, my daughter, at age 14, left her JW mother and came to live with me. She was never baptized, but is now informally shunned by the young people she grew up with, and has a strained relationship with her JW mother.
In 2002, as a result of Barbara Anderson's appearance on NBC Dateline, my JW parents (my mom and stepdad; my mom and dad were divorced in 1969) learned of my involvement with her and the Silentlambs organization. They immediately disinherited me and have shunned me ever since.
Beginning about 1997, my parents began shunning Barbara Anderson, after a friendship of more than 40 years. Her only crime? Ceasing to attend JW meetings.
This practice of shunning obviously creates much unnecessary pain and is extremely destructive. About 1994, CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) produced a documentary called "Children of Jehovah", which largely consisted of interviews with young people who quit, or were expelled from the JWs, and whose parents shunned them. One can hardly keep a dry eye watching this film. All of this shunning, of course, is done at the direction of Watchtower leaders.
My point: any proper film on Jehovah's Witnesses needs to emphasize that shunning is an odious practice and is part and parcel of being a JW.
CARTOONISH BELIEFS
I have the impression, Joel, that you were raised a JW, or at least, had a great deal of exposure to the religion while growing up. Hence your concern about showing that JWs are really not a cartoonish religion.
While JWs as individuals are certainly not cartoonish (most of my large family are JWs, so no one has to convince me of this), the Watchtower Society's beliefs and practices over the years have included many, many cartoonish images. Here is a small list, off the top of my head:
o A 1961 Watchtower magazine article, "How can girls guard against temptation in this sex-crazy world?" compared the way young girls and young men interact sexually to the way cattle do. This demeaning article invokes belly laughs from non-JWs.
o In the early 1950s, the long-standing teaching that God lives on the star Alcyone in the Pleiades constellation was formally jettisoned.
o In the early 1950s, the long-standing claim that vaccinations are a work of the devil was abandoned. This was to facilitate travel by Watchtower officials, who had to have certificates of vaccination for international travel.
o In 1945, the notion that vaccinations violate "the everlasting covenant between God and Noah" was applied to blood transfusions, and over the next decade this was gradually built into a complete ban on transfusions.
o In 1929, the teaching that the Great Pyramid of Gizeh was built at God's direction and was an important marker in "Bible chronology" was changed to be that the Great Pyramid was the work of the devil.
o Beginning in the 1920s, in the magazine "The Golden Age", the Society hawked all sorts of quack medical ideas, claiming that the medical establishment was a complete fraud.
o In the 1920s, the Society recommended a bizzare, quack machine called "The Electronic Radio Biola" as a cure for all sorts of chronic diseases.
o In 1876, the founder and first president of the Watchtower Society, Charles Taze Russell, began claiming that Christ had returned invisibly to the earth in 1874. In 1943, the Society changed this date to 1914. Russell's teaching was based on the failed prediction of his mentor, an Adventist named Nelson Barbour, that Christ would return visibly in 1874.
o In 1877, Russell claimed that Armageddon would begin in 1878. When that failed to happen, he claimed it did, but invisibly.
o In 1877, Russell predicted the complete end of all nations by 1914. This became a staple of Bible Student teaching. When that failed to occur, Russell's followers gradually decided that the end had occurred, but invisibly.
o In 1877, Russell predicted that the long-awaited "resurrection of the saints" would occur in 1878.
o In 1878, when "the saints" failed to appear, Russell predicted that they'd appear in 1881. When that failed, he claimed that they were indeed resurrected, but invisibly.
o When "the end" failed to appear in 1914 but WWI began, Russell claimed that Armageddon had begun, and predicted it would end in 1918.
o In 1918, Joseph Rutherford, second president of the Watchtower Society, began an advertising campaign called "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". He predicted that Armageddon would occur in 1925.
o Between 1918 and 1925, many Bible Students prepared for "the end" by selling their property and engaging in preaching for the "Millions" campaign. When 1925 rolled past uneventfully, nearly 3/4 of the Bible Students quit.
o After 1925, Rutherford emphasized that very soon, the "ancient worthies" such as Abraham, Samuel and David would soon be resurrected and take over the governing of the earth.
o In 1929, the Society began work on a mansion for Rutherford to live in, in San Diego. This came to be called Beth Sarim.
o About 1930, Rutherford formally deeded Beth Sarim to "the ancient worthies" and described how his followers should recognize them.
o Beth Sarim was initially described in Watchtower publications as a home for "the ancient worthies".
o Today the Society describes Beth Sarim as a home for Rutherford. According to some sources, that's probably closer to the truth, because Rutherford, as a drunk and adulterer, was a thorn in the side of his underlings.
o In the early 1940s, the Society built a bomb shelter for Rutherford on a property near Beth Sarim and called it Beth Shan. They later claimed that they never built such a thing.
o In 1967 the Society banned organ transplants, calling the practice cannibalism. The policy was reversed in 1979.
o In 1971 the Society began teaching that the physical heart is the seat of human emotion, and carries on "conversations" with the physical brain, which determines what a person does. This teaching was illustrated at the 1971 district conventions with a giant green brain and a giant red heart on the speaker's platform, where during the introductory speech, a dialog was played with the heart and brain "talking" to one another. During the speech, the heart would light up when it "talked" and the brain would light up when it "conversed".
o In 1971, the Society began a program of instructing the JW community what to do and not do sexually, in embarrassing detail. Oral and anal sex were described in public talks, and condemned. Over the next few years this resulted in the opposite of what they intended in some cases, and in others to the disintegration of marriages. After a number of lawsuits by injured non-JW marriage partners, the Society largely abandoned these teachings in the early 1980s.
o In 1966, the Society began predicting that "big things" would come not later than 1975. By the next year, this had grown into a nearly definite prediction that the battle of Armageddon would come by 1975. When that failed to happen, the rapid growth of the JWs in the years between 1967 and 1975 reversed.
o In 1993 to 1995, upon realizing that its teachings about "the generation of 1914" were about to go down the tubes, the Society drastically revised its ideas, and made the idea virtually meaningless. Most JWs barely noticed.
o In 2002, about a week before the NBC Dateline program on child molestation problems in the JWs aired, the Society directed the elders of three congregations to disfellowship four people who were prominently to appear on the show: Barbara Anderson, William Bowen, and Carl and Barbara Pandelo. The Society claimed to the news media that the disfellowshippings had nothing to do with Dateline.
With respect to the cartoonish nature of the "1914 doctrine" of JWs, Carl Sagan made an interesting comment:
<< Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.
But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say `1914'? So sorry, we meant `2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world _would_ have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious. They announced that the world _had_ in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry. [Carl Sagan, _Broca's Brain,_ Ballantine Books, New York, 1982, pp. 332-3] >>
I've often thought that the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses are reminiscent of the lunatic rebel leader in Woody Allen's film "Bananas", where once he got power, he instituted all sorts of lunatic changes.
I hope that my comments give you some food for thought, and that you'll take them into account as you finalize KNOCKING. In my opinion, Jehovah's Witnesses are an extremely destructive sect, because they often destroy families and long-standing friendships. Their misguided policy on blood transfusions has killed thousands of innocents. Examined critically, many of their beliefs and much of their history are cartoonish by anyone's standards.
Alan Feuerbacher
 
TooOpinionated
TooOpinionated 11 years ago

Wow! There are some powerful letters in this thead. I hope Joel takes heed.
 
outoftheorg
outoftheorg 11 years ago




 I AM NOT SURE BUT THIS INFO MAY ALREADY HAVE BEEN POSTED.
IN CASE IT HAS NOT, HERE ARE SOME ADDRESSES REGARDING PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

I WAS TOLD THAT THIS ONE IS MORE INTERESTED IN THE "CONTENT" OF A PRODUCTION.
ITVS 501 YORK ST. SAN FRANCISCO CALIF. 94110 PHONE 415-356-8383 OR INTERNET WWW.ITVS.ORG

THIS ONE IS MORE INTERESTED IN THE FUNDING.
CPB 401 NORTH 9TH NW WDC PHONE 202 879 9600 OR 800 272 2190
OR INTERNET WWW.CPB.ORG
I spoke to the local office for Idaho public broadcasting and had a very interesting conversation with two gentlemen.
I spoke to them about the pedophile issue and the organ transplant issue and said that there are good and helpful parts to this religion, just like all religions.
But if there is to be an accurate description of this religion delivered to the viewers, another much darker side needs to be covered also.
Both of these gentlemen then became very helpful and interested in what I had to say.
I find this to be very satisfying for me.
Outoftheorg
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mrs rocky2
mrs rocky2 11 years ago

AlanF - that is an awesome letter!
 
MegaDude
MegaDude 11 years ago



The makers of the film are soliciting donations. I would gather they have gotten money from Jehovah's Witnesses under the guise they are making a film with a positive spin on the JW's.
In my opinion, they are going to do a positive spin no matter what we say. They have their "concept" and they aren't going to change it.
In my opinion protests should be lodged with the people at PBS who authorized funds for this film and The Film Arts Foundation, who is the film's fiscal sponsor.
 
DannyHaszard
DannyHaszard 11 years ago



PBS is highly accountable to their public image for funding and favorable votes (dubs don't vote) at election time.
Here in Maine i went to bat for them 5 years ago "vote on 5 keep big bird alive'
Where would they be without loyal Dr.Who fans?
 
Rabbit
Rabbit 11 years ago



 ...and here I was thinking after 35 years as a witness...that I knew my religion.
Guess I never did ! Great informational post Alan !
Rabbit
 
rebel8
rebel8 11 years ago



It's so sad to see the producer still singing the accolades of the WTS. I emailed him way back with a lengthy story and received a favorable response from his intern. To see him still blindly saying only positive things after all of us told the truth....it's just so disappointing.
I have no problem if they want to do a documentary showing both sides, but to paint such a destructive organization as all happy-happy-joy-joy is wrong.
 
zulukai
zulukai 11 years ago

HOT DAMN ALLAN F.!!! Thanks for that terrific exposé of watchtower BS!! When you see it all laid out like a laundry list it makes a person squirm with embarassment to have ever been a part of such a stupid belief system. I did not know about a whole lot of the smarmy jw nonsense pf the past until I got a computer and started reading this forum. I had my own convictions of the worthlessness of the jw con, but all the actual evidence I've read here has just amazed me no end. Thanks to Barb Anderson too for her tireless work on behalf of real TRUTH, I e-mailed the PBS site to request a more balanced view of the jw picture a while back, but when it was shown that the film maker had a jw background I didn't have a good feeling about the final outcome. If it plays out the way I suspect, then we will have to storm their doors with calls and e-mails of protest all over again.
 
stevenyc
stevenyc 11 years ago




 Guys,
I wrote about this here : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/93661/1.ashx
I'm going to try and get in touch with them this week and find out the direction of the documentry. It may not be what a lot of people here are writing about.
It may be like doing a doc on the amish or something. A look into the lives of JDub people, not the organization / religious aspect.
When I find out, I'll let you know

steve
 
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outoftheorg 11 years ago

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the following was posted at my guest list the other day, by a producer of a new documentary that is pro-witness and may go out on pbs.
i'm joel engardio, director of the project.
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Thank you! That's what I was looking for.
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AndersonsInfo
AndersonsInfo 11 years ago

Here's my reply to Joel Engardio's e-mail to me:
July 8, 2005
Dear Joel,
Thank you for your reply of July 1st acknowledging the important issues I raised, although you did not address any of the issues I raised. Unfortunately, it appears to me that KNOCKING will not “tackle” even one of the issues that I brought up which Jehovah’s Witnesses “grapple with,” although you said "...we are sensitive to the valid criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses.” These valid criticisms, which you are sensitive about, must be the unreported and covered-up child molestation, the unfair disfellowshipping practices resulting in shunning, and the misrepresentations about the blood doctrine and the Holocaust. Apparently, you believe that these valid criticisms are too much “inside baseball” for the average viewer, so you will not touch them. Are you saying if the program was made for Witnesses or former Witnesses, you would discuss these valid criticisms? What is a documentary for but to inform the uninformed about critical issues. For the most part, Jehovah’s Witnesses and former Jehovah’s Witnesses know about the criticisms, but the general public does not. Accordingly, I believe you as a producer, who should be free from bias, must inform the public of the valid criticisms as well as “humanizing” those who are criticized.
If you are not a follower of Jehovah’s Witnesses you sure seem like a supporter when you encouraged Witnesses to buy, at a special introductory rate, KNOCKING DVDs to show others, and said that you imagined Witnesses "...will enjoy the film and will want their extended family, neighbors, co-workers and classmates to take a look as well." This does not sound to me like the film will take on the critical issues that we have pointed out to you, the ones that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not want non-Witnesses to know about. From other things you said as well, I believe that you will present a “feel good piece” about Jehovah’s Witnesses because the film will mainly show the “ups and downs” of Witness families, such as “what it is like to have unbelieving or opposing family members,” or how divided families can find “find common ground.” I think that these are interesting aspects to consider, but they are not the critical issues we believe it is imperative to address in the film which might keep people from converting to such deceit.
It was never my intention to ask you to re-do the Dateline program. And I’m happy that KNOCKING will not “denigrate” Jehovah’s Witnesses. All I ask is that KNOCKING does not “promote” Jehovah’s Witnesses. That would be unfair journalism especially since you are using “public funds” to independently produce this film for PBS.
I will watch KNOCKING with an open mind and hope that my expressed opinions above are unjustified. It is my sincere wish that along with a compassionate film, you will also make a provocative one showing the non-Witness world the truth about the Witnesses’ world as it really is, one based on frequently changed fantasy beliefs, unfair treatment of critics, a child abuse mess, and misrepresentation in the matter of Jehovah’s Witnesses’ blood doctrine and organizational history, just to name a few.
Thank you for listening.
Barbara Anderson


















 
avishai
avishai 11 years ago



*Note to self, stay on barbara's good side*

Barbara, you rock, thank you for your passion, conviction, and heart.!!
 
frankiespeakin
frankiespeakin 11 years ago



You Go Barbara!!!!!!!!She sure don't take no:
$ugar honey ice tea!!!
 
sf
sf 11 years ago

~bump~
 
hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



The program is not made for JWs or former JWs, that would be too much "inside baseball" for the average viewer. The program is for the public who only sees JWs on their doorstep from time to time, and might be curious about what is good and what is controversial about this group. KNOCKING takes a balanced approach. It does not promote nor does it denegrate.
I think people need to be aware that the a JW coming to your door and asking to do a bible study could very well be a child molestor.
I think a people need to understand that the JW coming to your door wants you to divorce yourself of all of your friends and your beliefs and take on these new beliefs to peddle magazines.
I think people need to understand that the JW coming to your door wants you to join the club and if you do join and you decide later to complain you will be shunned by family and friends in the cult.
I think people need to understand that the JW coming to your door has been manipulated into believing that a blood transfusion is bad for a variety of junk scientific reasons and not bible based beliefs (Maybe this producer should look at informed consent and the penal code with a lawyer).
I think people need to understand that the JW coming to your door may have kids under the age of 18 and may have been kicked them out the door and shunned them all because their kids refuse to believe in some guys in Brooklyn New York!
 
hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



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hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago

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hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago

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hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



How to Email PBS:
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hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



Q. How can I send mail to PBS?

 A. Due to security concerns, please be aware that mail is screened. There generally is a delay in the receipt of letters or packages; if possible postcard or email correspondence is requested. We are interested in your comments and suggestions. You can send mail to PBS Headquarters at the following address:
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hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



Okay folks ... this so-called producer would have Emails Ms. Cheryl Jones at PBS. This is here particulars:
Cheryl Jones
Senior Director, Program Development & Independent Film
PBS Headquarters
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314
phone: (703) 739-5150
fax: (703) 739-5295cjones@pbs.org
I say Email her with your complaints about this Knocking proposal.
hawk
 
hopetofade
hopetofade 11 years ago

Bump...
 
hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



July 12, 2005
Cheryl Jones
Senior Director, Program Development & Independent Film
PBS Headquarters 1320 Braddock Place Alexandria , VA 22314
Dear Ms. Jones:
Re: Concern Over Open Door Productions Proposed Knocking Documentary for PBS
My name is ------- and I reside in ------ . I am a ------. In my spare time, I attempt to assist Jehovah’s Witnesses advocates who are trying to protect children from pedophiles. As a long time viewer of PBS, especially NOVA productions, I was taken back by recent information indicating that you have agreed to go ahead with a Jehovah’s Witnesses production titled “Knocking” by Open Door Productions who reside out of San Francisco , CA 94107 . It appears Mr. Joel Engardio and Mr. Tom Shepard lead the documentary and are working to air the documentary on PBS . From their Internet site called www.knocking.org I observed the following:
◦ By fighting for their right to live and worship as they choose, Jehovah's Witnesses won legal victories that protected civil liberties and free choice for all Americans. By refusing blood transfusions, but insisting on medical care, Jehovah's Witnesses risked their lives in pursuit of new bloodless technology now used on all types of patients. By resisting Hitler and his Nazi army, German Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to the concentration camps and became martyrs.
On a Discussion Group I noted the following Internet Thread subject http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/93613/1.ashx . In this Internet Thread Mr. Engardio apparently stated the following:
◦ The aim of KNOCKING is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at a religious group that has long been misunderstood and relegated to cartoonish stereotypes. KNOCKING uses the real life stories of real families to humanize Jehovah's Witnesses
Fair enough.
However, in the same Internet Thread I noted the following comments from my good friends, Ms. Barbara Anderson from Tennessee and Mr. Alan Feuerbacher from Colorado who wrote to Mr. Engardio over this proposed documentary. Some of their comments (which I fully agree with) to Mr. Engardio are as follows:
◦It appears to me that KNOCKING will not “tackle” even one of the issues that I brought up which Jehovah’s Witnesses “grapple with,” although you said "...we are sensitive to the valid criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses.” These valid criticisms, which you are sensitive about, must be the unreported and covered-up child molestation, the unfair disfellowshipping practices resulting in shunning, and the misrepresentations about the blood doctrine and the Holocaust. Apparently, you believe that these valid criticisms are too much “inside baseball” for the average viewer, so you will not touch them.
◦
◦ As you know, JWs practice shunning. Shunning is done on both formal and informal levels. The formal level entails both "disfellowshipping" and "disassociation". In the first case, a person goes through a trial of sorts and is judged unrepentant of some sin, and then formally expelled from the JW organization. In the second case, the person is declared to have removed himself from the JW organization. In practice, the two terms amount to the same thing -- shunning of the expelled person by all JWs. Informal shunning covers a range of possibilities, from a JW simply deciding not to associate with someone, to the Society's writing a letter to a family or congregation suggesting that a person be informally shunned.
◦
◦ In 2002, about a week before the [2002] NBC Dateline program on child molestation problems in the JWs aired, the Society directed the elders of three congregations to disfellowship four people who were prominently to appear on the show: Barbara Anderson , William Bowen, and Carl and Barbara Pandelo. The Society claimed to the news media that the disfellowshippings had nothing to do with Dateline.
◦
◦Today it is a lie for the Watchtower Society ( WTS ) to claim that Jehovah's Witnesses abstain from accepting transfusion of whole blood, erythrocytes, leukocytes, platelets or plasma. Why? Because the WTS no longer forbids Jehovah's Witnesses from accepting transfusions of these so long as it is part of a “current therapy” and it is autologous blood. Examples of this include Jehovah's Witnesses accepting nuclear scanning of red and/or white blood cells. This process requires removal of a portion of red and/or white cells so they can be exposed to radioisotopes. The nuclear charged red and/or white cells are then transfused back to the patient for later scanning.
◦Why does the WTS persist in teaching Jehovah's Witnesses and the rest of the world that Jehovah's Witnesses abstain from blood when it knows perfectly well that Jehovah's Witnesses use products from blood all the time? Given that the WTS requires Jehovah's Witnesses to respect Jehovah's Witnesses for literally using everything from blood so long as it is sufficiently fractionated first, why does it impose any prohibitions on using blood under threat of congregational shunning?
◦Additionally, on the subject of blood and regarding your advertisement for KNOCKING, exactly how does an instance of one of Jehovah's Witnesses utilizing the best medicine has to offer--your show's example surgical technique--address a religious teaching that in many cases forbids Jehovah's Witnesses from utilizing the best medicine has to offer? For your program to accurately illustrate the cause of complaint regarding the Watchtower Society's blood doctrine, it will have to examine one of the many instances where it leads to avoidable disability or premature death because this is the area where objections lay. No one objects to Jehovah's Witnesses or anyone else taking advantage of advanced medical procedures.
◦Regarding the Holocaust, please read, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND THE THIRD REICH, SECTARIAN POLITICS UNDER PERSECUTION by M. James Penton (http://www.freeminds.org/sales/books.htm). The author, a professor emeritus in the Department of History at the University of Lethbridge, Canada, speaks five languages and translated released German archival documents from the Nazi era. He proves without a shadow of a doubt that the leaders of German Jehovah's Witnesses, some of whom died in the camps, "were from the beginning quite prepared to support the Hitler government." The Witness propaganda has led people to believe that they "were united in their opposition to Nazism and did not collude with the Third Reich," but Mr. Penton proves otherwise. Jehovah's Witnesses' leaders were not politically neutral, and even the number of Jehovah's Witnesses that supposedly died in the camps was fictional.
◦And, last, but not least, if you read the attachment I sent along with my first e-mail, which contained a lecture I gave, you know that I complimented the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses for their fight for civil liberties for their organization, yet, they prohibit freedom of speech and freedom of religious thought for their members. It is this that causes divided families. There is no "common ground" when people are punished  for disagreeing with their religion and when their families remain within the religion.
◦If your aim "is to give a general, non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at a religious group that has long been misunderstood and relegated to cartoonish stereotypes," why don't you also give a non-Jehovah's Witness audience a fair look at former Jehovah's Witnesses and interview some of the tens of thousands of us so everyone can hear what we have had to endure at the hands of "misunderstood" Jehovah's Witnesses because we either left their organization or were disfellowshipped for "apostasy" as I was.
Based on the above, I am very concerned that this upcoming documentary is ignoring some of the basic problems with the Jehovah’s Witnesses including the pain and suffering endured by little children. Based on the information I have read, I believe the proposed documentary will not accurately reflect what the Jehovah’s Witnesses and its parent corporation called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York are all about for the American and Canadian Public.
I have reviewed your editorial standards. I note the following:
◦Documentaries are to be fair in order to not mislead the public
◦ Documentaries must be accurate using factual evidence (ie. JWs do actually accept blood transfusions unlike what this producer suggests)
◦ Documentaries must have objectivity presented in a neutral way
◦ Documentaries must be balanced
◦ Documentaries must not have unacceptable production practices that invent or add elements or never make choices that mislead or deceive the audience (such as the false JW Holocaust claim, abstain blood claims or producers ignoring shunning)
As Mr. Feuerbacher of Colorado properly noted in this comments on the Internet Thread , a bout 1994, CBC (the Canadian Broadcasting Company) produced a documentary called "Children of Jehovah" for it’s The Fifth Estate show, which largely consisted of interviews with young people who quit, or were expelled from the JWs, and whose parents shunned them. One can hardly keep a dry eye watching this film. All of this shunning, of course, is done at the direction of Watchtower leaders. In January 2003 the CBC ’s The Fifth Estate then ran a documentary about the serious Child Abuse issues in this religious group that showed how it covered up the abuse and protected the pedophiles, survivors and advocates were and still are silenced by the shunning and how these pedophiles actually go out and “knock” on the public’s door. I should know seeing I assisted the The Fifth Estate in their 2003 documentary.
The Producers cannot ignore the information in these CBC documentaries along with the NBC Dateline Documentary of 2002 as well as published books by learned authors and Professors such as James Penton. To do so would be biased in my opinion and not provide the American and Canadian public with a true idea of what the Jehovah’s Witnesses including their leadership is all about.
In order that any documentary meets PBS’s high quality standards, it would be wise for PBS and the Producers of Knocking to consider Ms. Anderson’s following comments that she made in the above Internet Thread:
◦Interview and report on some of the thousands of husbands and wives of Jehovah's Witnesses who are in court fighting to see their children because Jehovah's Witnesses (and their Witness attorneys) don't want "worldly mates" to have any influence in the raising of their children.
◦ Interview and report on some of the thousands of relatives of Jehovah's Witnesses who watched their loved ones die because of the Watchtower Society's misrepresented blood policy.
◦Interview and report on some of the 1,800 victims of child sexual abuse (committed by Jehovah's Witnesses pedophiles), who have approached just one Texas law firm [Love and Norris]. And how about talking to some of the over 4,000 people who have contacted www.silentlambs.org about their molestation within this organization, almost all unreported to the authorities. And what about mentioning the over 20,000 files kept at Watchtower headquarters that describe each mostly unreported accusation of molestation in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States and Canada.
◦Interview and report on the children of Jehovah's Witnesses who are emotionally pushed to baptism, some as young as seven years old, and, who, by the time they are teenagers, are disfellowshipped and shunned by their families and the only friends they ever had just because they committed some rebellious "sin." Let some of them tell you what their lives were like on the streets. And let them tell you about the psychological damage and need for therapy because of the self-loathing and guilt because they couldn't live up to the religion's demands. And, if the dead could speak, you could interview some who have committed suicide because they could no longer endure the isolation of shunning.
I hope PBS will continue to meet its high standards of reporting. As one who has worked with many American news organizations such as but not limited to Ms. Laurie Goodstein at the New York Times and many Legal Counsel such as Ms. Kim Norris of Love and Norris to help child abuse survivors and their advocates from the Watchtower, I hope that this documentary will not in anyway mislead or deceive the public in the harm that is created by this religious group’s leadership.
Yours truly and take care,

xxxxxxx
c: Lesli Rotenberg, Senior Vice President, Brand Management, Promotion and Media Relations - Katherine Lauderdale, Senior Vice President and General Counsel - Cindy Johanson, Senior Vice President, Interactive and Education - Pat Hunter, Senior Vice President, Programming Services - Jacoba Atlas, Senior Vice President & Co-Chief Program Executive - Pat Mitchell, President & Chief Executive Officer - Knocking.org - Ms. Barbara Anderson , Tennessee
 
hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



BTTT
Sorry about my formating on the above letter. But hopefully you will get what I wrote and how I formatted it.
hawk
 
hawkaw
hawkaw 11 years ago



For instance, the young man who does a groundbreaking bloodless liver transplant has opposing family members who come to the hospital to see first-hand that the new bloodless technology works.
hmm ... Typically, white blood cells are usually transferred along with the organ from the donor to the new patient. I wonder if the producer asked the question (or should ought to have asked the question) if any white blood cells were transferred to the new patient and ask what the patient thought about that since the WTS prevents a transfusion of white blood cells but seems to allow organ transplants that will have white blood cells from a donor .....
 
outoftheorg
outoftheorg 11 years ago



Hawkaw
I will never be able to put into words, how very much I respect and admire you and your actions.
You are a fine and honorable man, the world needs more like you.
If the internet and a forum like this and people like you and Barbara Andersen were here around thirty years ago, I would probably still have an intact family.
I have e mailed pbs and talked to the local Idaho state pbs reps, about these issues.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE on this forum to phone or email or snail mail these people listed above and in A RESPECTFUL CALM COLLECTED way to state their reasons, that more information is needed to really describe the jw's correctly and completely.
Outoftheorg
 
AndersonsInfo
AndersonsInfo 11 years ago

Thanks Hawkaw for your help. How about it everybody--Are you going to send PBS an e-mail protesting the one-sided pro-JW KNOCKING documentary? We've provided the info and now it's up to you.
Barbara
 
Pistoff
Pistoff 11 years ago

I have mine ready; is there an email address there? I didn't see one. p
 
talesin
talesin 11 years ago



Pistoff, from Hawkaw's post above:
Cheryl Jones
Senior Director, Program Development & Independent Film
PBS Headquarters
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314
phone: (703) 739-5150
fax: (703) 739-5295
cjones@pbs.org

I say Email her with your complaints about this Knocking proposal.
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i'm joel engardio, director of the project.
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If you want to send it to all the parties I listed at PBS all you have to do is first inital and last name in lower case and then add @PBS.org
Later
 
Pistoff
Pistoff

I sent mine to Ms Jones.
Thanks for the hard work--
P
 
sf
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I just got off the phone with Jennifer McIntosh {Ms. Jones was unavailable} and was told that the CPBS {Corporation [FOR] PBS} is not the same as PBS.
And that ITVS {Independant Television Services} is whom we should be directing our concerns to, as well as CPBS:
ITVS-Jim Summers {415-356-8383 ext. 242} www.itvs.org/producers/funding.html
CPBS {202-879-9600} http://www.cpb.org/
Board Members are listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting
She stated too, that there have been a few calls already and is re-directing them to these numbers.
Also, she stated that this particular doc has not even been reviewed yet. There may be a good chance it never airs on PBS.
Yet, as you see on their info hyperlink, there will indeed be a DVD which won't be the same as the PBS program...if and when it airs.
I personally doubt it will ever air. A dvd maybe, but not a public documentary.
{{ hawkaw, always good to see you post }}
sKally

AlanF
AlanF



Outstanding, Hawkaw!
AlanF

outnfree
outnfree



You rock, Hawk! :D
Alan and Barbara, thanks for your erudition.
The above information will certainly help me compose my own protest letter. And SHOULD the "documentary" air, I'll be happy to participate (as I am able) in physical protests and letters to the press at the local affiliate level.
Brenda

hawkaw
hawkaw



Thank you for your kind comments and thank all of you for all of the ideas.
I sent my letter via Email to PBS instead of the Corporation for PBS since the documentary was to air on PBS. CPBS includes other government funded broadcasting which includes but is not limited to NPR etc.
Either way I think the message will get there seeing I sent it to the president and vice-presidents of PBS. If they are anything like the government, the particular branch re-directs the letter to the correct branch for a response.
I note that as of today I have not heard back from the knocking producer who I copied on the Email.
We shall see what happens.
hawk

kwintestal
kwintestal



Just an FYI, Joel wrote an article in the Nov. 6 1996 Science Christian Monitor about JW's in Nazi Germany. Not sure if it would help prove non-objectivity to PBS since treatment of JW's is obviously been his "pet project" for over 10 years. Can anyone who have access to their archives access this article?
http://www.csmonitorservices.com/csmonitor/display.jhtml;jsessionid=JEC2VUP1J30M5KGL4L2SFEQ?_requestid=10263
Kwin

talesin
talesin



Kwin,
His mother is a JW, and his motives are suspect.
tal

Osarsif
Osarsif

kwintestal, you can find Joel's 1996 CSM article here: http://www.geocities.com/athens/8381/csmonito.html.

ithinkisee
ithinkisee



KNOCKING takes a balanced approach. It does not promote nor does it denegrate.
That statement alone means that they will be made to seem like regular people. This is a sly WT-styled way of not saying it is promoting - but it will actually be promoting JWs.
-ithinkisee

AlanF
AlanF



For the record, to date I've received no reply from Engardia.
AlanF

sf
sf



Here is at least one of the people who were filmed for the project:
http://isurvived.org/Kempler-Survivor.html
alt
Joseph Kempler paused as he looked at a picture of a man so thin that his spine was showing through his stomach.
"This is about 60 pounds," Kempler said. "This is about what I weighed when I was freed from the concentration camps."
After spending three years in concentration camps, Kempler was less than 24 hours away from starvation the day the American troops liberated the prisoners.
"We were lying there dead pretty much," he said. "We couldn't move."
Kempler, 74, spoke to University of Nevada, Reno students while being filmed for a documentary by PBS .
The documentary, with the working title "Knocking," is an attempt to portray how Jehovah's Witnesses were persecuted during the Holocaust.
Kempler, who was raised Jewish, remembers seeing Jehovah's Witnesses in the camps. Years after the war, he decided to become a Jehovah's Witness himself.
Co-producer and co-director of the film, Joel Engardio, said Jehovah's Witnesses were among the first group of individuals to be persecuted by Adolf Hitler.
Even though they were a small group, Hitler found them very irritating because they were opposed to his stance. By 1935, the religion was banned and Jehovah's Witnesses who defied this were imprisoned in concentration camps, he said.
"They were the only voluntary prisoners of the Holocaust," Engardio said. "Since they were Aryan, the so-called 'master race', they were offered a declaration card to sign. If they pledged their allegiance to Hitler, they could be free to leave."
Kempler said he was amazed by the Jehovah's Witnesses he met in the camps because they all refused to sign anything that would free them.
"They could always take this way out," he said. "But they wouldn't."
After the war, Kempler met Jehovah's Witnesses again when he found his sister, his only relative who was still alive.
She had been saved by a family of Jehovah's Witnesses, he said, and hidden away from the Nazis for two years.
"Jehovah's Witnesses kept coming up in my life," he said.
Then in the mid 1950's, he converted to the religion when a group of Jehovah's Witnesses came knocking at his New York City apartment.
He remembered them from the camps. And he remembered them as being the people who kept his sister hidden away. So he let them in.
"When I met Jehovah's Witnesses I saw they were not damaged," he said. "They were still intact. How could they survive without the suffering and mental damage I had?"
"People can survive without shutting down and come back stronger than before," he said.
There was no emotion in Kempler's voice when he spoke about the concentration camps. He spoke of the cold nights without blankets and the long days of working in the snow without shoes. But never once did his eyes water or his voice waiver.
His feelings were hidden away so deep, he said, that he felt completely detached from the reality.
Even on the day he was liberated, he said he felt no joy because he was too numb.
"We were no longer humans," he said.
In the attempt to survive, many prisoners resorted to cannibalism by cutting the flesh off of dead bodies.
"Survivalism was more important," he said. "The only thing was to survive."



see also Kempler with Rudolf Graichen, Jehovah's Witness Holocaust Survivor
sf
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Young artists on the verge
 Shepard is working with co-director Joel Engardio on "Knocking," a documentary
about the Jehovah's Witnesses. "Everybody knows the Jehovah's Witnesses ...www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/ chronicle/archive/2002/08/25/PK222694.DTL - 29k -  Cached - Similar pages :
A portion therein:

Shepard is working with co-director Joel Engardio on "Knocking," a documentary about the Jehovah's Witnesses. "Everybody knows the Jehovah's Witnesses because they've knocked on everybody's doors, but most people don't know their history. They've definitely been scorned and misrepresented in the media.
"They've gone before the U.S. Supreme Court 46 times on First Amendment- related cases and won 35 times." Another fact: Witnesses were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps during World War II, and some who were released in 1938 confiscated diagrams proving the camps existed. Those diagrams were published in Watchtower magazine, but not taken seriously.
News
... My name is Joel Engardio with the national ACLU. Josh Freker of Action Wisconsin
suggested I contact you. ... Thank you for your assistance. Joel Engardio. ... www.lgbtcenters.org/news/news_item.asp?NewsID=1808 - 42k - Supplemental Result -  Cached - Similar pages
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 Of course, there's the typical goody-two-shoes style of SF Weekly, where Joel
Engardio, before he has even reported what ACT UP SF is saying, smothers the ...www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/cfflames.htm - 14k -  Cached - Similar pages
Tom Shepard
Tom Shepard:. Scout's Honor. Producer's Web Site: www.scouts-honor.com. Tom Shepard produced and directed Scout's Honor, an ITVS-funded documentary about ...www.newday.com/filmmakers/Tom_Shepard.html - 15k -  Cached - Similar pages
Contact: Tom Shepard

Contact Tom Shepard. Please complete the form and push the "Send Message" button to send an email to the filmmaker. We will not save or share your email ...www.newday.com/contact_filmmaker.lasso?fm=cIQ@c!JG - 15k -  Cached - Similar pages
Shepard is currently co-directing and producing a documentary in association with the Independent Television Service (ITVS) about Jehovah's Witnesses and their contributions to medicine and civil liberties 



Has anyone contacted Mr. Shepard?
sKally



sf
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http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2001/scoutshonor/thefilmmaker.html
A more recent photo:

Tom Shepard co-produced and edited CAMP LAVENDER HILL, an award-winning documentary about the first summer camp in the U.S. for children with gay and lesbian parents. It aired on public television, Free Speech Television, and CNN's International Insight, and has won a number of awards including the National Educational Media Network Apple. Previously, Shepard worked as an editor at National Public Radio for Linda Wertheimer and PBS' The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. At NPR, he co-produced LISTENING TO AMERICA, an audio documentary on the history of public radio in America. He graduated from Stanford University where he majored in biology and film.
"For me, the path to becoming a documentary filmmaker began in journalism. For several years, I worked in public television and radio as writer, researcher, and editor.
In the United States, daily journalism serves as a fourth branch of government and, if practiced responsibly, provides an essential resource for public discourse. Oftentimes, however, the confines of a one-page newspaper story or a three-minute television segment prevent stories from being told comprehensively or emotionally.
In long-form documentary, a director can spend the time to invest his or her audiences into the film's characters and the story lines they traverse. The very devices that Hollywood uses to construct feature films, that is, three act story structures, character development, and conflict/resolution devices, can also be implemented in the documentary. As a craftsperson, I am drawn to documentary for these reasons. As a social activist, I am drawn to documentary as a vehicle for social change.
While daily journalism can report facts and events, it is not often able to change deeply held attitudes or beliefs, especially ones regarding volatile issues such as sexual orientation, race, or class. I make films to challenge beliefs and give voice to those in society whose experiences have been overlooked, misrepresented or vilified. If viewers can identify and empathize with characters on screen as they are drawn into a story, there is a greater likelihood that misperceptions, stereotypes, and ignorance can give way to deeper understanding and compassion.
As democracy becomes ever more predicated on understanding cultural differences, I see documentary film as a powerful tool to bridge misunderstandings, create forums for thoughtful dialogue and, ultimately, diminish the walls that divide us as a nation."

outnfree
outnfree



Nice work, skally!
Shepherd looks worth contacting as well. Thanks for the heads up!
outnfree

AndersonsInfo
AndersonsInfo

I sent Tom Sheperd a protest e-mail at the end of June. However, I have not received a reply from him.
Shepherd's e-mail addy: tomshep@comcast.net
An XJW in Scotland received a reply from Joel Engardio, Sheperd's KNOCKING producer partner, stating that KNOCKING has received over 4,000 e-mails protesting the content of the documentary.
Now, if only we can send as many e-mails to PBS and ITVS in protest!!!
Barbara

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sf

~bump~

Gerard
Gerard



though the Bethel organization in Brooklyn, Patterson and Wallkill, New York has been cooperative with the producers of this film. It is important to know that this project is independently produced for public television, using public funds.
Bastards.

sf
sf

~knocking...thread to top~

ozziepost
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Great stuff!
Keep up the good work.



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~knocking...thread to top~
Come on newcomers, what say you?
sKally
 
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~bump~
 
rebel8
rebel8 11 years ago



Another fact: Witnesses were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps during World War II, and some who were released in 1938 confiscated diagrams proving the camps existed. Those diagrams were published in Watchtower magazine, but not taken seriously.
That's the 1st time I've ever heard of that. Anyone have info on this? I mean the claim that diagrams were published in WT. True?
 
AndersonsInfo
AndersonsInfo 11 years ago

July 22, 2005
Dear Barbara,
I apologize for my delayed response to your email about the film KNOCKING, currently being produced by Tom Shepard and Joel Engardio.
Your feedback is important to me. The mission of the Independent
Television Service (ITVS) is to present independent media on public
television with programs that expand civic participation by bringing new
voices and points of view into the public discourse. While some viewpoints are not always popular, ITVS recognizes the value of presenting differing sides of an issue, providing vehicles for discussion, education, reflection and sometimes change.
KNOCKING reveals how a misunderstood and often derided Christian group,
the Jehovah’s Witnesses, has impacted society in ways far greater and more surprising than a knock on the door. Through the main characters in the film and their family—some who are Jehovah's Witnesses and some who are not—KNOCKING tells both sides of the story. KNOCKING takes a balanced
approach, and fair criticism is addressed. It does not promote nor does it denigrate. All historical and medical facts will be accurate and fairly presented in the film.
KNOCKING is still in a rough cut stage and has not screened publicly.
ITVS, along with PBS has stringent editorial standards when dealing with
any program. Not only did the producers have to pass a very competitive
review process to receive funding for KNOCKING, the program will be
reviewed closely by both ITVS and PBS before it is considered for
broadcast.
ITVS takes your comments seriously and will share them with the producers. This program is not yet slated for a PBS broadcast. I ask that you contact ITVS (and not PBS) at itvs@itvs.org if you have any further questions.
Sincerely,
Jim Sommers
Director of Communications, ITVS



 
carla
carla 11 years ago

Should everyone email ITVS? carla
 
AndersonsInfo
AndersonsInfo 11 years ago

It is very important that Jim Sommers, Director of Communications, ITVS, receive more protest e-mails. We should not let this story die. Jim's answer to me was basically a repetition of the answer I originally received from the producer of KNOCKING. I just don't think these people want to think about our words of protest, but they do understand the power behind thousands of e-mails from viewers who are very unhappy with PBS and the "mother" organization who funded this flawed, biased presentation and the bad publicity we can generate.
Thank you everybody for your support and help.
Barb
 
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BrendaCloutier 11 years ago



Following is my email on the subject as sent. Got any other addresses for me?



itvs@itvs.org,pbsfoundation@pbs.org,kdando@pbs.org,knockingdirector@msn.com
July 26, 2005



Independent Television Service (ITVS)
Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)
PBS Foundation
Knocking Director



RE: film KNOCKING, currently being produced by
Tom Shepard and Joel Engardio



To Whom It May Concern:



I was raised as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses™. My father was an Elder™ for many, many years. I left the Truth™ after I got married to a JW™ man who was on track for becoming a Ministerial Servant™. I moved to his Congregation™, where I thought I had friends I had grown up with at local assemblies. I got to know them at times when my dad was an invited Sunday speaker, or one of their dad’s was an invited public speaker at our congregation, and we’d go out to dinner afterwards. We’d also meet at the local swimming pool on Sundays after the Public Talk™ and Watchtower Study™. Several of the elders and their families in that congregation were considered friends of my parents.



Well, the problem was, I married into the wrong, “spiritually weak™” hard working JW family.



I was shunned™ from my first meeting at that Kingdom Hall™ AFTER our marriage. I was shunned to the point where I walked up to a group of Sisters™ whom I knew well, and had them shoulder me out of their conversation. When I asked one of their dad’s, one congregation elder friend of my dad, why I was being treated so poorly, he started yelling at me that my deceased father-in-law was a raging, wife- and child-beating alcoholic and deserved to go to hell! That he tainted the entire family and the family could never do enough to correct their situation! This elder happened to be the Presiding Overseer™ of the congregation.



It got so bad that I just could not bring myself to attend any longer.



That is just a part of my personal story, a part of the abuse I received at the hands of the Elders™ and Publishers™ of the congregation I married into.



To get beyond my personal story, I have some questions for you to consider:



The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society™ and Governing Body™, the leader of Jehovah’s Witnesses™, have since inception called The United Nations™ the “Wild Beast upon which the Harlot, Babylon the Great rides”. This is paramount in their literature up until the early 1990’s. If so, then why did they become an NGO™ (Non-Government Organization) supporter of the UN™ for 10 years? Once someone discovered their association with the UN and became a whistle blower, they cancelled their “subscription”. Their excuse was to get a library card, when in reality, an NGO member has the support, physical and financial, of the UN in third world countries who have kept Jehovah’s Witnesses out.



The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society™ and Jehovah’s Witnesses™ condemn tobacco use, and Disfellowship™ or excommunicate a baptized member who is found using tobacco products and is not repentant enough. Yet, the WTBTS has invested in R.J. Reynolds™ stock.



The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society™ and Jehovah’s Witnesses™ encourage an active, loving family home life. However, they hide and protect pedophiles. Domestic violence is frowned upon as the wife not being loyal enough to her husband. A wife that leaves her husband due to domestic violence is encouraged to go back to him. A wife who leaves and divorces her abusive husband and later remarries another, is considered adulterous and is disfellowshipped.



Jehovah’s Witnesses™ are run by a publishing company’s Governing Body™.

My personal synopsis: The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society™ and Jehovah’s Witnesses™ are a high mind control group of hypocrites.



Sincerely,
Brenda L. Cloutier
 
BrendaCloutier
BrendaCloutier 11 years ago

If you are interested
in volunteering to organize such a screening in your city, contact us
directly at knockingdirector@msn.com. Please type “Volunteer” in the
subject heading.
 
BluesBrother
BluesBrother 11 years ago

They just got mail from the U K ....
 
AlmostAtheist
AlmostAtheist 11 years ago



I just got an email from Heidi at virushead.net in which she forwarded the director of "Knocking"'s canned response to any emails he receives. He stated that there are no JW's among the editorial group, but they were interviewed. Then dig this quote, " And we do have Jehovah's Witnesses who are serving as consultants for factual accuracy."
Every time I read that sentence, I have to giggle a bit. Any sentence with "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "factual accuracy" is going to be funny, whether it was intended that way or not!
Should be an entertaining -- if infuriating -- program.
Dave
 
sf
sf 10 years ago

~bump~
 
Tatiana
Tatiana 9 years ago

Just thought I'd bring this back up, since "Knocking" is airing in two days. Will it be the exact same video as before? Did any of our emails help?
 
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ziddina 6 years ago

This is probably an old subject, but it's rather new to me...
I never got to see the "documentary", "Knocking", but if others have, maybe you can identify with some of these comments - or with some of the protests also posted to the "Talkback" feedback section on the site...
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/knocking/talkback_e.html
The comments vary from eager approval to angry disclaimers... Most of the positive comments come - naturally - from active Jehovah's Witnesses...
I found this person's comment - on page 15 - to be most bizarre...
4/25/07
Hermogenes
Miami
RE: "In 1995, the Witnesses officially ended their belief that tied the coming of Armageddon to the lifespan of anyone alive today. Now, many young Witnesses attend college."
I‚ve yet to see this film, but i strongly feel that the quote above has been misinterpreted. The Jehovah Witnesses have always & will continue to believe that no one knows the day or the hour that Jehovah God will unleash Armageddon upon the Earth.Biblical Calculation: At least one Holocaust survivor must remain alive in order to witness the destruction of the old system. How old could the youngest survivor of that terror storm be in 2007 ( ? )
Does anyone else find this person's comment to be totally bizarre??? The HOLOCAUST???? WTF????
Zid
 
serenitynow!
serenitynow! 6 years ago

I do remember some talk of the generation who saw the Holocaust also seeing the GT. I think it tied in to 1914. Nothing official; that I can remember anyway.
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

And this comment, also on page 15, pretty much says it all about who the Watchtower Society targets...
4/25/07
Thank you for this heartwarming video about kind-hearted, sincere folks who simply seek to do what they feel is right and to help others. At age 19 I chose to become a witness, and now 37 years later I lead a fulfilled, purpose-drive life where I help others. Though our 'knocking' is not welcome by all, we attempt to be respectful... and, to find those who are in need of help. And they ARE out there, isolated, in pain, in need, hungry.
Which explains their preference for WalMart parking lots....
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

Hi, Serenity Now!! Thanks for commenting!!
Yeah, nothing 'official' right now, but I wonder...
Do you suppose that the Gov.Bod will change the "Generation" teaching yet again, to match this "Holocaust" belief??? If many JWs already think that's the official stance, it wouldn't take much to co-opt that belief to give them yet more time for "Armageddon" to come...
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

(talking to myself in here... Echo! echo......???)
Anyway, I'm mining a lot of "gold" on page 15. Here's a classic case of "cognitive dissonance", in my opinion...
4/25/07
Brenda
Lawton Oklahoma
Thank you to PBS for supporting and airing this and other films that show an objective view of people, organizations and the world in general. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I cringed at some of the comments made in the film but applaud the fact that it showed the reality of what people both in and out of this organization think...
Additionally I would like to address one of the comments made by another that had nothing to do with the film. They stated "The practice of allowing pedophiles to continue to associate with children is reprehensible." JWs expel unrepentant wrong doers of all kinds instead of allowing hypocrisy. Accused pedophiles even if repentant are not allowed to have any privileges of service within the organization. As a victim of abuse myself I appreciate the stand this organization has taken to protect the people within it.
Either the elders in her congregation were shining examples of integrity, who showed an unusually high level of concern for the VICTIM, rather than the paedophile...
Or she just cannot tolerate a full-on view of the reality, and is looking at it through rose-colored glasses... Does this woman not understand; just because they've taken away the "privileges of service" from a paedophile, it doesn't prevent him from targeting - and attacking - other victims....
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

There's also the occasional Jehovah's Witness practicing "Theocratic Warfare", and pretending to be a NON-JW, like this one....
4/25/07
Albert S.
Wethersfield, CT
The "Independent Lens" series is one of my favorite things on television, consistently bringing interesting programs and featuring compelling stories. I'm not a Jehovahs Witness myself, but its hard to miss the impact they've had on preconceived notions about Nazi camp techniques and Supreme Court law. What more do I need to know?
Based on this impressive website, there is a LOT more to this religion! My family already plans to watch "Knocking" on PBS, and I anticipate buying the DVD sometime after than. I'm guessing I'll enjoy lending in out to my less tolerant acquaintances! Thanks for a really detailed website on this film!
"I'm not a Jehovah's Witness myself..." Oh, really??? Then why make THIS comment, a few sentences down: "I'll enjoy lending in [it; the video] out to my less tolerant acquaintances!"...
"...less tolerant acquaintances..." What "worldly" person would describe their co-workers that way????
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

"Abstain from blood..."
Here's an interesting quote - again - page 15
By refusing blood it has forced the medical community to step up and come up with better techniques and methods of operations and so on. I know it is controversial but it is spelled out so clear to abstain from blood...
Yeeessss, but if that's true, and the Watchtower Society is conforming to the bible's commands, then WHY are Jehovah's Witnesses NOW ALLOWED to have blood fractions and plasma, among other components of blood???
That's one thing that bugs me, every time I read about the Watchtower Society and the controversy over their anti-blood-transfusion stance - the New Testament ITSELF clearly states to "ABSTAIN from blood", which - to my way of thinking - would place all forms of blood transfusions 'off-limits' for ALL Christians...
Glad I'm a "Neo-PolyTheist"!!
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

Now, here's a young lady (??) with her head on straight, who tells the [UN"theocratic-warfare] truth!!!
4/25/07
Brighton
My parents became JW's when I was about 5 years old. I was baptised in 1980 at the age of 16. They have been turbulent years , interspersed with happiness and alot of sadness. I know many who have been disfellowshipped, myself included.Of those that have been disfellowshipped, 2 have committed suicide. Three others committed suicide while still active.The WTS claims that repentant persons, can be reinststed, and while this is true. The process can itself be painful and humiliating and usually takes a year or longer, with persons required to cease all association with non Witnesses, while attending meetings with no-one being allowed to speak to you or associate with you until reinstatement. It means sitting at the back of the Kingdom Hall durring meetings and not being allowed to participate - the shunning continues untill sufficient time passes and the Elders decide , that they are satisfied that there is enough outward proof of repentance.So one is completely isolated until then, the loneliness can be unbearable. Witnesses claim this is biblical and that the wrondoer brings this hardship upon themselves. How differnt to the story of the prodigal son, and the father who runs to meet him, while he is yet along way off!
Wonder if this person it posting on here....??
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

I've read a few other comments along this line, but this is the clearest statement, so far...
5/1/07
Bette Witt
Oakwood, PA
Having seen the documentary twice - I can say with certainty that Jehovah's Witnesses and their parent organization, The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, have NEVER intended to support the freedom of religion and press of general populations. Any court cases that might have benefited others, was FIRST intended to support and benefit their own organizaion.They have no interest in providing legal help or assistance to any group outside their own organization, unless it primarily benefits them.
Too true, too true....
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

I just love it when I hear teen-aged JWs issuing death threats, even if they're vicarious....
5/3/07
Vanessa
Auburn, WA
I am 18 years old and as a teenager, being a Jehova's Witness was the best thing that i could have done, and will ever do in my life. I read a comment stating that we only believe in Jehova and not Jesus...wow do they have there facts wrong! We DO believe in Jesus! He is our savior but who created him? Yes, Jehova did, and thats why he is the only one and only who can recive all the honor! I love Jehova with all my heart and an strongly believe that he will bring justice the this cruel world and to all who dont believe, ...and to all who dont believe, all i can say that they will be just like the people who choose not to listen to Noah in his time, they choose not to listen to the message that jehova had sent him. And they vanished in the great flood! Just like cruel people will too in the NEAR future!
What a 'loving' organization... Teaching the children to hate and gloat...
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

I found some aspects of this post quite amusing...
5/4/07
Tyrone Georgia
Considering that the film was made by individuals who are not Jehovah's Witnesses, the research was thourough and articulated in detail by various individuals who also were not Jehovah's Witnesses. The point of this film was not to debate the validity of the religion as some of the comments from disgruntled opposers seem to indicate. But rather it was simply to bring to public awareness the contributions Jehovah's Witnesses have made to Civil liberties, which allows these opposers the right to voice their angry opinions. In addition, the film shows the medical advances in blood trasfusions that came about primarily because of the millions of Witnesses who refused Blood transfusions and sought alternatives from which many of their opposers will benefit. Finally the film shows how one relgious group out of many, refused to allow the pressures of nationalism to change their views on how they were to serve God. These were the points brought out in the film and it was not addressing all the other disjointed rhetoric that some of the comments seemed to state. Yes, most Jehovah's Witnesses get along very well with their non Jehovah's Witnesses family members.
"But rather it was simply to bring to public awareness the contributions Jehovah's Witnesses have made to Civil liberties, which allows these opposers the right to voice their angry opinions. ..."
NO. The rights that the Jehovah's Witnesses' lawyers tended to focus upon, were the right to stand on street corners and denigrate other religions, the right to go door-to-door ballyhooing their own particular brand of "Christianity", and the right to hold certain eccentric religious beliefs WITHOUT government interference... (No blood, the Gov.Bod gets to decide which sexual habits a married couple can indulge in within the privacy of their own home, the right to shun expelled or departed members, even if it causes severe emotional pain...)
The Watchtower Society is ADAMANTLY AGAINST the right of citizens to gather in protest outside Watchtower gatherings. It is also AGAINST the free flow of any unflattering information; hence the constant refrain to 'avoid the Internet and Internet socializing...
"Finally the film shows how one relgious group out of many, refused to allow the pressures of nationalism to change their views on how they were to serve God. ...."
What, they never heard of the Quakers??? The Amish??? The Hutterites??? There are several other small sects that are strongly pacifist; the Jehovah's Witnesses are certainly NOT the only ones who are adamantly pacifist - and one could argue that, based upon the Watchtower Society's actions in Mexico, that they talk out of 'both' sides of their mouth on THAT issue...
Zid
(echo...... echo..... echo.....  )
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

Oh, crap!!! I LOVE this post!! It's 'supposed' to be pro-Witness, but....
5/8/07
Dave
California
As a Jehovahs Witness for 20 years, I have had to deal with my parents leaving the truth. As a member of the only true religion, we are taught to cut off any family member who leaves the truth. The organization teaches us that the only hope for them to come to their senses is by completely cutting off all communication with them so I have not spoken to them for several years. Last year they even sent me a Christmas card which I promptly threw in the trash. How mean of them to send it when they know that it is a pagan holiday! I still do not know all the details of their disfellowshiping because I have never talked to them since it happened but I trust the elders decisions. If my parents have a good heart they will return to the organization, if not Jehovah will destroy them at Armageddon. As much as I love them, my obedience to Jehovahs organization must come first and I cannot risk my own life by talking to them. I look forward to this film because I have heard so many good comments about it at the Kingdom Hall. Who knows, maybe my parents will see it, repent of their sins and start the long process of coming back to the true religion.
I wonder whether 'Dave' is actually writing this as an ironically revealing narrative that exposes the ugly underside of the Watchtower Society...
He certainly confirms the previous comments regarding their rigid shunning practices...
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

OOOoooooh, this is too good...
You just couldn't make this sh*t up...
Just after the above comment, came this one...
5/8/07
Martha S
LaFayette Hill, PA
Dear Sisters:
I appreciate all your comments. I am addressing sisters as I am also a sister.Perhaps it would be wise of us not to read some of the posts. We miss friends and family that used to associate with us. Everyone has the opportunity to comment even if the world can see what some may say.We can be kind and thoughtful in response to those who are not Jehovah's Witnesses. ......
Yes, all you poor little weak, helpless, mentally-deficient-because-you're-of-the-'weaker'-sex sisters, YOU shouldn't be reading the 'negative' posts, because, just as "Eve" was "stumbled" in the "Garden of Eden", so you too might be 'stumbled' if you come across a tidbit of REAL truth...
Gag...
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

Man, reading these comments on the "Knocking" site is almost like being back at the Kingdom Hall... Same bizarre mentality.... Same weird mental processes... Same blazingly chauvinistic comments...
 
palmtree67
palmtree67 6 years ago

Hee hee hee
I enjoyed this, a good laugh tonight.
Thanks, Zid!!!



 
Dogpatch
Dogpatch 6 years ago

As a Jehovahs Witness for 20 years, I have had to deal with my parents leaving the truth. As a member of the only true religion, we are taught to cut off any family member who leaves the truth. The organization teaches us that the only hope for them to come to their senses is by completely cutting off all communication with them so I have not spoken to them for several years. Last year they even sent me a Christmas card which I promptly threw in the trash. How mean of them to send it when they know that it is a pagan holiday! I still do not know all the details of their disfellowshiping because I have never talked to them since it happened but I trust the elders decisions. If my parents have a good heart they will return to the organization, if not Jehovah will destroy them at Armageddon. As much as I love them, my obedience to Jehovahs organization must come first and I cannot risk my own life by talking to them. I look forward to this film because I have heard so many good comments about it at the Kingdom Hall. Who knows, maybe my parents will see it, repent of their sins and start the long process of coming back to the true religion.

sounds identical to the Hitler Youth as they observed the ambivalence of their parents to support the monster.
Randy
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

Yes, very true, Randy... Thanks for commenting!
I really enjoyed that post because I believe that any NORMAL person perusing the posts on "Knocking"- "Talkback" section, would see in that post a CONFIRMATION of the previous comments about how destructive the Watchtower Society's insistence on shunning was...
And I also think that a non-indoctrinated person would also view the Jehovah's Witnesses as a 'cult' - or at least tending in that direction - after reading that comment...
Funny, how the very words of the JWs themselves can often prove the point ex-JWs make about it's being a "cult"...
Hi, Palmtree, you wolfie, you!! Thanks for your comments!!
 
Hadit
Hadit 6 years ago

Thanks for the info Ziddina! If Dave is for real - well thank you Dave! I'm sure you've turned off more than a few people from ever joining!
 
steve2
steve2 6 years ago

I cringed when I read the heated prose of the 20-year-old who staunchly defended his religion and issued a badly-worded warning to nonbelievers. Part of my cringing was my realization that when I was a 20-year-old I would have sounded exactly the same.
I can only hope that one day this oh-so-young staunch defender of the JWs will realize how little he or she really knows.
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

Just thought I'd post a bit more to this thread...
This is on page 8, and it's representative of many comments regarding the Watchtower Society's treatment of pedophiles...
5/24/07
I am very pleased with the accurate portrayal of the witnesses in the film but am displeased by the thoughts of some that we are insensitive and that we hid abuse. These things simply are not true child abusers are punished like other erring ones yet unlike others they are no longer granted to serve in the position of oversight in the congregation because of this act God Jehovah does not allow wrongdoing to persist in his organizationbut he desires none to be destroyed but all to attain to repentance. That means turning around from their sinful course. We do not sweep wrongdoing under the rug but rather we punish for all who repentantly engage in such for those who God loves he disciplines.
Comments such as this, "child abusers are punished like other erring ones yet unlike others they are no longer granted to serve in the position of oversight in the congregation because of this act God Jehovah does not allow wrongdoing to persist in his organization..." are very common...
[repeated and hi-lited for emphasis...]
Yet none of these JWs making such comments appear to understand that a paedophile who molests a child is COMMITTING A CRIME!!!!
I wonder how a JW would react, if a person were to ask, "Well, what if a member of the congregation committed murder and it became known to the elders? Would the elders - or the congregation - simply remove their 'privileges', no longer allowing them "to serve in the position of oversight in the congregation"???
If the JW replies, "Yes", then hit 'em with "Be in submission to the proper authorities, for these powers stand placed in their positions by God..."
...and remind them that PAEDOPHILIA is a CRIME, too....
If the JW replies, "No", then ask them what they WOULD do. [I'm assuming that the typical response would be, "turn them over to the authorities..."] When the JW indicates that the elders would be "morally obligated" to turn the 'sinner/MURDERER' over to the police, then ask the JW why paedophiles - who are also COMMITTING A CRIME - aren't treated the same way...
For that matter, a person could use that "what would you do if a murderer was found in the congregation" to illustrate that JWs who commit ANY illegality MUST be turned over to the proper authorities...
And, sure as you're born...
There will be a few JWs out there - elders and idiot maiden aunts, alike - who will reply in this vein: "But, who are we to judge?? JEHOVAH will judge that person's heart IN HIS OWN TIME..."
In which case, you might want to ask them if they'd be willing to have that murderer/thief/embezzler over to THEIR house for dinner - go out in service with them - ALONE - and so on... Be creative in making up scenarios in which they'd be left alone with a known murderer who the elders had 'disciplined' by removing his 'privileges', and so on...
Heh, heh...
Zid
 

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ziddina 6 years ago

Oooo - Kay....
This person's post should go under the heading of, "Are You SH*TTING ME???!?"...
5/25/07
Joe Lombardo
To Bill Bowen:
We encourage everyone to report child molesters and if they willingly do not report them then they themselves are disfellowshipped. And further in every congregation the presiding overseer is aware of any known child molesters and subsequently that offender is reported privately to any future congregations they may go to.
Neither you nor any other person can rid the world of this kind of sin or produce a community were it never arises.
Let me see if I've got this straight...
"And further in every congregation the presiding overseer is aware of any known child molesters and subsequently that offender is reported privately to any future congregations they may go to. ..."
Soooo, that part about 'encourage everyone to report child molesters' means only that paedophiles will be reported to the elders??? PRIVATELY???
Wow, I am so impressed with the loving provisions "Jehovah" makes through his [B]organization... And the way they obey "Caesar's" laws, regarding the duty of every law-abiding citizen to turn in law-breakers...  not...
This is another great example of an active JW providing strong evidence that the paedophile problem exists within congregations, is not handled properly within congregations, and the typical JW is in denial of these facts...
Gotta love this blithering JW!! He/She opened his/her big mouth, and crammed his/her foot right into it...
Zid
 
ziddina
ziddina 6 years ago

This is an absolutely hilarious example of an inept JW trying to use "Theocratic Warfare"...!!!
5/29/07
Vancouver , Canada
This compelling and compassionate look at a religion that i have completely misunderstood my whole life, has given me much food for thought. While i have no religious affiliation, i do have a new-found admiration for the Witnesses, and their unwavering integrity in the face of so many daunting and complex moral dilemmasWe see the on-going horrific results of some international Fundamentalism. Jehovah's Witnesses are not on the same path. We still disagree on most issues, but the next time there is a knock at the door, i will definitely be more welcoming. 5/29/07
Cain A Midnight
I loved the video. I was concerned but watched out of curiosity. Some really are biased in a negative light. I did not feel it promoted our religion but simply said, "Hey, this is WHO hey are." And I speak for many of Jehovah's Witnesses when I say the jokes generally, lets say 85%-90% of the time are funny to us too. Many are really harmless and unoffensive.
Let's see.... "This compelling and compassionate look at a religion that i have completely misunderstood my whole life, has given me much food for thought. While i have no religious affiliation, i do have a new-found admiration for the Witnesses, and their unwavering integrity in the face of so many daunting and complex moral dilemmas
If this person has "completely misunderstood my whole life", the facts and characteristics of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and if he/she "have no religious affiliation", then why on earth do we see these comments in the second paragraph:
"I did not feel it promoted our religion but simply said, "Hey, this is WHO hey are." And I speak for many of Jehovah's Witnesses when I say the jokes generally,... are funny to us too. ..."
This character's a pretty dim bulb, himself - or herself...
First, he/she writes the comment as though he's/she's a neutral observer, with no personal affiliation with the Jehovah's Witnesses....
THEN - all of a sudden - HE/SHE"S a "Jehovah's Witness", too...!!!
Too funny!!
Zid
 
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ziddina 6 years ago

Ooooo - Kay, here's a really flagrant lie by an arrogant JW... Might be an elder...
5/30/07
Commenting on two things: first being a JW, the film was good in some respects, not as in depth as I think it should have been and needed maybe 1-2 more subjects other than those mentioned.Secondly, in reply to the email about the ex-JW Franz(the one who wrote his infamous literature); to those who don't know. He realized his wrong attitude and course, and has made every effort to come back.But that is up to Jehovah himself...it's one thing to become inactive in faith (JW,Catholic, etc)but quite another to speak out against that faith and maybe turn others away from what you may not
Soooooo.....
Ray Franz has realized the error of his ways, and is working towards reinstatement as of May 2007??? Theodore Jaracz must have been THRILLED...
Yeah, I'll believe that when I see "Armageddon" actually happen...
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this is probably an old subject, but it's rather new to me.... i never got to see the "documentary", "knocking", but if others have, maybe you can identify with some of these comments - or with some of the protests also posted to the "talkback" feedback section on the site.... http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/knocking/talkback_e.html.
the comments vary from eager approval to angry disclaimers... most of the positive comments come - naturally - from active jehovah's witnesses.... i found this person's comment - on page 15 - to be most bizarre.... 4/25/07.
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by Gayle 9 years ago 15 Replies latest 9 years ago   forum announcements
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Gayle 9 years ago

Maybe this isn't a new topic.
http:www.Knocking.org/On_the_Big_Screen.html
The clips I saw only gives a very "positive" biased message for JWs, not the through & through facts.
PBS will be showing this in May. There will be free showings at colleges, libraries & museums (alarming, since such places would seem to give a supporting validity) throughout the US so far starting April 17 in Idaho then elsewhere thereafter.
I've only seen the free clips at their site. It is alarming!
Just wondering if anyone will be "picketing" these showings?
My sign would say "Knocking their members around" !!! :smile:
 
Madame Quixote
Madame Quixote 9 years ago

"Knocking Their Members Around"
That's a great idea for a protest poster, Gayle.
 
IsaacJS2
IsaacJS2 9 years ago

I know almost nothing about it, but would like to see it. Is it truly biased? Some of my in-laws watched it together and thought it was neutral because (they said) it isn't entirely positive. But I suspect it must lean strongly in the Society's favor. To them, that's probably neutral. :pensive: What I've seen of it makes it seem pretty positive so far. According to my wife's family, the Society granted them permission to film it, so it can't be too negative. I doubt the Witnesses would have cooperated otherwise.
Back when I was a Witness, you were to treat the media with suspicion.

IsaacJ
 
abbagail
abbagail 9 years ago

That is amazing the WT agreed to it... They must be desperate for some positive publicity... hoping to gain more recruits? Or as a counter-attack to the flood of "Is that JW at your door a PEDOPHILE?" questions from householders?
I guess they are too cheap to make their own films... ?
Isaac: Agree, yet I think it was just a year or two ago they were STILL saying the media was from Satan because of pedophile articles and such. I think it was at a DC where this was repeated in the not so distant past.
/ag
 
sf
sf 9 years ago

http://knockingjw.blogspot.com/2007/01/email-from-film-makers.html
SOME PBS STATIONS WON'T SHOW KNOCKING
Even though KNOCKING is scheduled for a national PBS broadcast on May 22, 2007,as many as one-quarter of local PBS stations will not show KNOCKING. Local stations are allowed to replace the national PBS schedule with their own programming. If you want to see KNOCKING on your local station, you must contact your local programming director to make sure he does not cancel KNOCKING. To learn why some PBS stations won't show KNOCKING and to ensure
that your local station will, visit this link: http://www.knocking.org/PBS_Station_List.html
 
IsaacJS2
IsaacJS2 9 years ago

I gotta say that the link you provided about PBS stations not showing Knocking makes it sound like a pretty "pro WT" production to me. They seem to be addressing JWs specifically, though not everyone may agree with me on that.

IsaacJ
 
Morocco
Morocco 9 years ago

You can do a YouTube search for it and watch a few clips from the documentary. From everything I've seen it is basically Watchtower propaganda. It seems, from what they've released on YouTube, that it is speaking supportively of the Watchtower.
The Knocking documentary claims complete neutrality, that is one of the persuasive arguments of the video. The problem is that the director's mother is a witness. So you can immediately throw into suspicion the idea of the video being neutral.
I think this project must have Watchtower sanction, especially when you understand the extreme controlling nature of the GB. Even if this video talks about some of their "faults" it will probably talk about less controversial faults and will definitely play them down and focus on their achievements. On a page at freeminds.org you can read some of the letters the staff from Knocking left on Randy Watter's guest list.
http://www.freeminds.org/women/knockingresponse.htm
 
Morocco
Morocco 9 years ago

P.S. Think about it -- if the video wasn't completely in favor of the Watchtower the Knocking staff would have their pants sued off just like the Quotes website. That's why, without having seen all of it, I would venture to say that it gives a positive PR spin on ye ole Org
 
garybuss
garybuss 9 years ago

You wrote: "The problem is that the director's mother is a witness. So you can immediately throw into suspicion the idea of the video being neutral."
My mother's a Witness. Do you think I'm positive bias towards the Witnesses? Very funny.



 
5go
5go 9 years ago

The Knocking documentary claims complete neutrality, that is one of the persuasive arguments of the video. The problem is that the director's mother is a witness. So you can immediately throw into suspicion the idea of the video being neutral.
Hey gary your neutrality is suspicous.
Against the society that is. he he he
 
garybuss
garybuss 9 years ago

You wrote: "without having seen all of it"
I'll be interested in reading your comments when you HAVE seen it.




 
Morocco
Morocco 9 years ago

Garybuss -- I would think you are bias if you made a video or some piece of information in support of the Witnesses even though you may not be a member.
Besides, no one has to read all of the article in a Watchtower magazine before knowing what it's about. I could be wrong about the Knocking video because I'm just guessing.
 
found-my-way
found-my-way 9 years ago

I found the link to a preview of Knocking:
http://www.itvs.org/search/preview.htm?showID=1040
 
Frank75
Frank75 9 years ago

Not much of a chance of getting a word in on how the documentary avoids any negative topics, but here is the link to where an effort can be made to do so:
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/knocking/talkback.html
Frank75
 
Junction-Guy
Junction-Guy 9 years ago

When and where is the closest showing of this to Tennessee? I would like to go, view it for myself, and then decide what plan of action to use against it. Are any college campuses, or theaters in my surrounding states gonna show this sometime this spring?
 
Gayle
Gayle 9 years ago

KNOCKING was screened at Idaho State University in Pocatello last night,
April 18. 100 people attended. The follow-up discussion was led by Dee
Adair, a member of Jehovah's Witnesses in American Falls, Idaho.
Lynn Allen
208-345-4453xyzallen@cableone.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Gilchrist [mailto:HollyGilchrist@boisestate.edu]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:19 AM
To: ayle Minette McCurdy
Cc: Lynn Allen
Subject: Re: "Knocking" Documentary
Hello Gayle:
We will be showing "Knocking" at Boise State University on April 24
(main campus) and April 28 (West campus). We are expecting capacity
crowds at both venues (435 and 98 respectively).
I believe there was a showing at ISU but am unsure of the details. Lynn
Allen, copied above, can give you more information about that venue.
Thank you for your interest in this series.
Best-
Holly
"Seeds of Change: The Earth Charter and Human Potential Exhibition."
SUB Gallery from 04-20-07 through 04-26-07. Reception is on 04-20-07
from 5:30 - 7:00. For more information please click:http://sub.boisestate.edu/gallery/
Or call 208-426-1223 for more information.
Holly Gilchrist
Fine Arts Program Coordinator
Student Activities
Student Union Building
1910 University Drive
Boise, ID 83725-1335
Phone: 208-426-1223/3049
Fax: 208-426-1391hollygilchrist@boisestate.edu
http://sub.boisestate.edu

>>> " Gayle Minette McCurdy" <gaylenwphx@cox.net> 4/19/2007 8:05 AM
>>>
Was there a showing of "Knocking" at Idaho State University in
Pocatello, Idaho April 18, 2007? Have there been any response or views
on that showing? I am following this program with the subject of
Jehovah's Witnesses. I understand the university is showing it a couple
more times also soon.
Thank you for your consideration.
Gayle McCurdy
Phoenix, AZ.
 

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