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by Wild_Thing a day ago 11 Replies latest 13 hours ago   jw friends
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Wild_Thing
Wild_Thing a day ago

In Mississippi, there is a historical site called Forks of the Road. Before the Civil War, it was one of the most active slave trading markets in the South. It was a triangular piece of land formed by ... you guessed it ... a fork in the road. The historical site is nothing more than a narrow piece of land now, with several plaques and informational boards about the former history.
A Kingdom Hall takes up the majority of the land now. I am not sure if the JWs didn't like sharing their space with the historical markers or vice versa, but there is a very tall line of spruce trees separating the two sites. You can't even tell there is a Kingdom Hall on the same site when visiting the historical site.
I just think it is so ironic that a Kingdom Hall is built on a former slave market. The land is still being used to enslave people, just without the chains. They are enslaved mentally and are not allowed to leave without repercussions to them or their family.
You can see the tall row of trees separating the Kingdom Hall from the historical markers.



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Wild_Thing
Wild_Thing a day ago

Shackles and chains that were used on slaves are permanently memorialized in cement just a few feet from the KH property. You can see the tiny square of cement on the map above in the lower section close the trees.




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Butyoucanneverleave
Butyoucanneverleave a day ago
Where is this located? What city?
 
Perry
Perry a day ago

"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey"
The former slaves, were not such by choice. Most of us willingly submitted to our slavery from our own volition.
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Muddy Waters
Muddy Waters a day ago

omg, the IRONY!! The *APTNESS*!!!
I don't think I could love this more.
And the leaders of the WT think that they, their religion, represents FREEDOM, (George Orwell style, that is!)
..... the shackles and chains are awful, dreadful, horrifying... Yet to think! -- that the WT doctrine shackles your mind, your sense of reason and critical thinking.... And they shackle and chain you in every action, thought, and deed.... What you wear, what you read, what music you listen to, what tv shows you shouldn't see or movies to watch, what celebrations to observe or not, who you associate with, what education you receive or don't, who you marry, whether you should have children, and what kind of education your own children should receive, and whether you should say "bless you" to even somebody who has sneezed, and that the whole world is going to hell except them - their smug, self-righteous, judgmental, family-shunning, pedophile-protecting, UN joining, false-prophesying, lunatic-happy-face-smiling selves, while most of them are probably "master-masturbators" (ha, don't you love that phrase?), porn-addicted, uptight, selfish, fools.
And then they put people in this sort of shackles and chains and expect these people to do the same to others. To think of it!! Gah! *
* repeat previous paragraphs!* .. .. As I could rant on forever....
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Wild_Thing
Wild_Thing a day ago

This is located in Natchez, MS.
Perry ... you are partially correct. Those of us that were born into this religion ... especially 3rd and 4th grade generation ... it was not by our choice. And they do indeed make you feel like horrible things will happen to you if you leave. But I agree that it is not the same as the African Americans being enslaved, which was by far, a lot worse ... really not even comparable.
Nevertheless, I think it is ironic that a Kingdom Hall, a place of mental bondage, is now on the site of a place where real slave trading took place, and they have blocked it off with trees.
You've got to see the symbolism in that.
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Perry
Perry a day ago

Edited to read "most of us". However, even though I was a 4th gen born in; I reached a point where: It was my own choice. I MUST deal with that fact.
Symbolism duly noted nonetheless.
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Muddy Waters
Muddy Waters a day ago

Perry, now that you have edited your post to say "most of us", I can "like" it. :smile:
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baker
baker a day ago

We are all slaves to something, money, food ,ect , l
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under the radar
under the radar a day ago

I don't know for sure, but I imagine that line of tall trees was planted specifically to hide the KH from those visiting the historical site and vice versa. The JW's wouldn't want to be visually associated with even a historical site related to slavery.
Ironic, considering that their precious Bible doesn't condemn slavery at all. It fact, it presents it as a societal norm in both the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and the Greek Scriptures (New Testament). What scant few regulations regarding slavery there are basically protect the slave owner or prohibit only the most egregious mistreatment of slaves. In the New Testament, slaves are ordered to be obedient to their masters. Not even a hint can be found that slavery is wrong in and of itself. Thank goodness society as a whole has outgrown the Bible in that regard. Now if we could just get rid of all the other superstitions...
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My Name is of No Consequence 18 hours ago
I guess the witnesses are just keeping up with tradition.
 
dropoffyourkeylee
dropoffyourkeylee 13 hours ago
Don't forget that the WT had segregated congregations in the US South up until the early sixties.
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in mississippi, there is a historical site called forks of the road.
before the civil war, it was one of the most active slave trading markets in the south.
it was a triangular piece of land formed by ... you guessed it ... a fork in the road.



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by Sledracer 2 days ago 35 Replies latest 11 hours ago   jw experiences
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Sledracer
Sledracer 2 days ago

My husband and I have been out for a long time, maybe fifteen years, I must say we are in a bit of a nowhere land spiritually, we find it impossible to attend any other church. We really resent so much of how they messed up our and our children's lives. We can't get back all those 25 years we were in. But we did learn a lot of good stuff, sometimes I miss the singing, many friends and the spiritual reading. Sometimes I think maybe I didn't appreciate all the good habits and spiritual enlightenment they gave me, and that maybe I should forgive the screwups and go back. The thing that bothers me the most is the disfellowshipping, and how it really messes up families, big time. Often leading to suicide. I'm onto them now, I don't think they would have the control, they used to, if I went back. I sway sometimes, out of loneliness. And yes I know they are a cult, and have read the great books.
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Landy
Landy 2 days ago

It can mean big changes when you stop going to the meetings and see it for what it is.
Don't feel you have to replace it with another religion, spend the time with your family, your friends, take up new interests. Enjoy life.
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ToesUp
ToesUp 2 days ago
They are still DF'ing people. It's an abusive cult. No disrespect but why would you want to go back into an abusive relationship?
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stan livedeath
stan livedeath 2 days ago
you missed the singing--?? are you sure you went to a jw kingdom hall ?
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nugget
nugget 2 days ago

When we left the organisation we lost many people who we had viewed as friends and had to start again. We were in the organisation for 40 years so they had pretty much controlled our youth and held us back. However I have put a lot of effort into rebuilding my life and finding new friends who will not drop me the minute I disagree with them.
I try not to look back as there is little of value behind me and so much to discover ahead of me. Personally I could not go back, I found the basis of my faith was built on a lie, that the people responsible for my spiritual well being didn't really care about their followers and that my children were unimportant to them.
I can honestly say that by embracing opportunities it helps recovery. You have time to explore spirituality and look for answers without returning to the organisation. Fear of other religions has been programmed into us and whilst it is good to be skeptical you can try talking to people with other faith perspectives and those who have none to see if this helps you gain an insight.
Depending on where you live there may be a thriving community of exJWs happy to hear your story and talk about where they are in their lives and how they have recovered. You have made a start reaching out you can build from this point.
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GoneAwol
GoneAwol 2 days ago

Welcome Sledracer!
Dont think for one minute you can go back on your own terms.
Just because you are on to them doesnt mean you have control over them and their stupid bullying rules.
I think you maybe need to spend time studying the jws for what they really are and get rid of the mind control. It sounds like 'they' are still in your head.
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Alive!
Alive! 2 days ago

We built our entire community around JWs for some 25 years.....
At nearly 60 years old, it's been a painful experience....I wouldnt wish it on anyone.
Abandonment and agony from rejection is a key trauma for me, due to some complications in my formative years, too difficult to explain here.
It's a high price - but I couldn't be part of a movement that would never allow us to have free flow discussion as adults, as Christians even - and would seek to control people's personal growth with imposed interpretation (which changes with the wind) whilst making us give 'thanks' to God for each 'new truth'.
We have good days, weeks, months and then another 'cut' wounds deeper than can be put into words.
The culture is unhealthy, I know, it looks so 'good' on the outside....but no human should live with such threat and anxiety re their lives.
It's tough.
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FayeDunaway
FayeDunaway 2 days ago
Why is it impossible for you to attend another church? Is it doctrine? Dig deep. Research. It sounds like you need a community to worship with. Witness singing is more like mumbles. Regular churches do it way, way better. And they read whole sections of the bible at a time, then analyze it. No more hopping all over the bible to prove strange things.
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flipper
flipper 2 days ago

Welcome, sledracer.
Sorry that you experience loneliness. I hope you stay with this forum.
Would be good to know current information on the nefarious (really - no exaggeration) ways of the Watchtower, but mainly there is a community of really good people here.
We have made some wonderful friends here - honest and kind, interesting and fun to hang out with. Every summer we meet at Lake Tahoe - all are welcome. There are other meetups just about everywhere.
I have seen a big difference in the quality of people who are in and out of the cult.
Mrs. Flipper
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elderINewton
elderINewton 2 days ago

Its quite possible that what you are missing is a support network, not a spiritual experience.
A good support network will likely provide the good habits, maybe even the singing and fellowship you desire.
As GoneAwol stated - its always the JW way or the highway. Don't let self-deception of longing for things you enjoyed deceive you from the the truth about the truth. Living a lie is not an easy thing to deal with, and comes at great emotional cost.
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flipper
flipper 2 days ago

One more thing to add - as to spirituality.
What is more spiritual, really, than volunteer work? Every community has needs for volunteers - if you don't want to be in a group there are always neighbors who need a little help, especially elderly.
Mrs. F
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talesin
talesin 2 days ago

Hi, Sledracer, and welcome.
It's true that it can be harder to make friends when we didn't go to school and share the young family life. Do the two of you work together? There's a lot of healing to be done, for the family, and for you. Have you been able to talk to anyone before this, or have you been all alone? There are things you can do to help, and first off, taking care of yourself - do you have a United Unitarian Church in your community? I'm not religious, but know they are kind communities, and define the term 'ecumenical'.
I used to love sledding when I was young. : )
Oh, and what Mrs. Flipper said - volunteering is one of the best ways to connect with people in your community And it will be something you enjoy. xx
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dubstepped
dubstepped 2 days ago

15 years out and look at the pull of the indoctrination. You know some of the vile things they do and are actually thinking like a dog returning to its vomit. Victims of abuse always think it will be different this time. It never is.
There is a world full of beautiful people. It sounds like maybe you need to get out and find more of them. The fact that you're thinking like you are shows how dangerous the JWs are.
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Stirred
Stirred 2 days ago

I felt so for some time after initially leaving. Pangs are still there at times for something....after 20+ years, but finding a network of support and friends that allow you to ask open questions, where yoga pants when you want, and actually care about your family's well-being is so much of a stronger need for me and my family now.
You can sing at home, thought I know it is not the same...spfind new ways to pluck that strong for yourself.
Peace,
SNS-Becoming
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stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 2 days ago
I agree with Alive's comments above!
Well said!
 
Sledracer
Sledracer a day ago
I am missing a support group, a little, I am very content and busy in my life. I sometimes think I should desire, spiritual things and association. I feel like so much was shoved down my throat, when I was in, and so much repetition. So nice to be learning new things. Where I live it is very hard to make friends. And yes, I know I would have to lie through my teeth, if I wanted to come back. The thought of listening to the same old, same old makes you kind of want to puke. Sometimes I think I should want these spiritual things, but usually I don't. Which seems is a problem in a way. My husband has left as well, and will never go to a church.
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Sledracer
Sledracer a day ago
I am a little famous, as me and my son put together a documentary with about eight elders from the Bethel disfellowshipping my son for asking questions. He purposely did this, and we recorded it. lol The elder are told they are not allowed to ask us about what happened in Toronto. lol Of course, curiosity got one and he asked. lol
 
Sledracer
Sledracer a day ago

I am very busy doing good deeds, I am a behavioral dog trainer, and board dog's regularly. We are both voice over artists and never have enough time to do all the audiobooks, advertisements, and lessons, etc. involved. So isolation contributes to our art, sometimes I think it is unhealthy though.
 
Sledracer
Sledracer a day ago
I usually hate them, I had a weird phone call, from a friend who was Pentecostal, that learned the doctrines from a Rabbi, majority JW's belief's, she was so glad to be freed from the false doctrines and so excited about the biblical hope, I thought maybe I don't appreciate it. I used to feel excited like that as well.
 
JWdaughter
JWdaughter a day ago
Welcome. I caution you about returning. You would be expected to shun your son. Please don't play their games just for singing and association. Join musicalvtheater or the rotary. Network marketing at least doesn't demand that you die or reject your children to maintain association.
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my husband and i have been out for a long time, maybe fifteen years, i must say we are in a bit of a nowhere land spiritually, we find it impossible to attend any other church.
we really resent so much of how they messed up our and our children's lives.
we can't get back all those 25 years we were in.



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Sledracer a day ago
No one who hasn't experienced it can really relate to the unsteady feeling of leaving a cult. Most people are so comfortable in the world, it is nice to talk to ones who have left. That has been very rare for me. I thought the religion was what kept the family apart. Now I feel more isolated from most of them, they are nasty, selfish people. I am more distant now. Who knew? I am very close with my son and family that left, though. We talk about it, he got us out, and is very understanding, and has helped us to stay out.
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Sledracer
Sledracer a day ago

The elders from the Bethel told me do whatever it takes to take care of my son, even though he was disfellowshipped and have that recorded. lol
We fooled them into having the committee meeting in the hall with me there by saying we had our lawyer with us. We didn't of course, he was just a local apostate. lol
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Sledracer
Sledracer a day ago

I have found that people in the world will cut you off for a lot less, and lot's of times you will not have a clue what you did. My whole family did this, they wouldn't even tell me what I did wrong, they wouldn't let me know when or how my Dad died or invite me to the funeral. At least with the witnesses you knew what you did wrong, in the world, if they don't like something, you are out, and for a lot less. That's just my experience. I have found good friends of good moral's far and few between.
 
C0ntr013r
C0ntr013r a day ago
Is the recording online or are you planing on putting it up? It sound quite interesting and I would love to listen to it (I am probably not the only one). You can pm me if you want help setting it up or editing it, if it contains personal information and such :smile:
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talesin
talesin a day ago

ahem ...
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Pete Zahut
Pete Zahut a day ago

I have felt the way you do. I used to think to myself, I'll move and just go back to a new Hall on my own terms just so I'll have a network of friends again. I'll ignore all the non-sense and never let them have a hold on me....just play along.
Then I come to my senses and realize that:
◦We often look at the past with rose colored glasses and remember things better than what they were.
◦When we try to re-create the past, we are often suddenly reminded why it was we left it behind in the first place.
◦We made friends much easier when we were young, the problem often isn't that there isn't an abundance of people to be friends with now, the problem is that as we get older we don't have the energy to invest in making friends, aren't as patient when having to adjust to new peoples idiosyncrasies and want things to be like they used to be without having to invest any more time in getting there.
◦You can't go home again...once you've seen behind the Wizards curtain, once you've grown in your understanding and overall view of things and once you know better, it's never going to be the same as it was.
Perhaps you could sneak in to a meeting somewhere and duck out early just to see if you are remembering things clearly. For me, I just couldn't stomach the repetitive nature of the meetings, the doctrines full of holes, the JW lingo I'd be expected to parrot, explaining why I missed a meeting or a day in service, being expected to give talks and go from door to door. There's also the real life experience with the blood issue that opened my eyes in the first place and the fact that there'd be endless questions, files that would be transferred from my old Hall and the years of suspiciousness one would have to endure before one was truly accepted (if ever).

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JWdaughter a day ago

People in general are kind of. . .human. we need to recognise that just being a long term JW renders us a lot more judgemental towards "worldlings" and more tolerant and able to justify JW stuff and we do-years later we will find ourselves parroting JW verbiage that we don't even think through- out of ingrained habit. Crap we don't really believe!
Don't romanticize JW life. You left for a reason. Don't lose sight of it.
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nonjwspouse
nonjwspouse a day ago

oh the singing. maybe you can give this a try http://mountaingrownmusic.org/shape-notes.html
pretty amazing

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freddo
freddo a day ago
I've got a funny feeling about this thread ... can't put my finger on it yet.
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WingCommander
WingCommander 20 hours ago

I have a funny feeling........deep inside my bowels.......it's tingling. I think it might just be, Agape Love!
Run! Runnnnn back to the Kingdumb Hell! I'm sure they will be more than eager to welcome you back just like the father in the Prodigal Son story! Go back and bask in their warm, gooey, Christian loooooooove!
Good luck with all that. lol

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my husband and i have been out for a long time, maybe fifteen years, i must say we are in a bit of a nowhere land spiritually, we find it impossible to attend any other church.
we really resent so much of how they messed up our and our children's lives.
we can't get back all those 25 years we were in.



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Sledracer 12 hours ago

A year or two ago, they came to my door, so I invited them in and bombarded them with apostasy, oops, I mean the truth. One pioneer sister said that if what I said was true, she would leave and oppose them all she could. They welcomed us in with open arms and said it was very different now. We went to the hall, everyone seemed very depressed, almost like robots, in a haze. They weren't very friendly, and most were very poorly educated. It was the same old stuff, we'd heard a million times. I got literally sick to my stomach and had nightmares when I tried to read the magazines. One elder tried to trick us by saying he'd been to a church and something else, and we ended up explaining that that was against the truth and looking at him weird, trying to get us to fess up, another couple turned their nose up at us, long story. They said they were going to study with us, ect. Wrote our old congregation, never heard from them again. Like I said, I was considered dangerous, from the lawyers up top. Some are missing my point, I feel like I am suffering spiritually and am not following the scripture to sing with others, to praise Jah, I sing at home, I am a professional voiceover artist. To answer about the documentary, I would have to get a copy from my son, that was 10 years ago. Only went to a few meetings, then got out, didn't want to get Borderline Syndrome from them.
 
Sledracer
Sledracer 12 hours ago
And Freddo, that's what the elder's alway's said about me. Thanks for that.
 
Sledracer
Sledracer 12 hours ago
Yes, Freddo, keep looking, you usually end up finding what you are looking for. The elders looked for years, and I finally gave it to them. I figured they always thought I was apostate because I'm gifted, a strong personality that thinks out of the box and outspoken. Just could never kiss butt, quite enough to satisfy them.
 
Sledracer
Sledracer 12 hours ago

And Freddo, please let me know when you do figure it out, so I can change to your liking.
 
Sledracer
Sledracer 12 hours ago

Thanks, nugget, that was helpful.
 
Sledracer
Sledracer 12 hours ago
They can't control me like they used to because I used to be very honest and sincere and now I could easily lie to their faces and play their game, my conscious has changed a lot in ten years. I have realized that insincere people don't deserve sincerity, therein comes the crisis in conscience, what's the point then? Right? I f you have to lie through your teeth is that getting you closer to God?
 

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my husband and i have been out for a long time, maybe fifteen years, i must say we are in a bit of a nowhere land spiritually, we find it impossible to attend any other church.
we really resent so much of how they messed up our and our children's lives.
we can't get back all those 25 years we were in.



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Had an interesting conversation with my wife recently. She struggles with physical, emotional and psychological problems which have often caused her to miss meetings. She mentioned how she is equally tortured by guilt if she misses meetings and ministry, and severe stress if she does them. Hobson's choice. She suspects me of reading on sites like this only because I have sometimes raised difficult questions. She is terrified that I will stop going as it is a lifeline to her, while at the same time the whole witness lifestyle is the cause of much of her stress. I am a former elder who has held most congregational posts. I now feel zero guilt. How can you feel guilty about something which has misled you? Still love the bros and sis on the ground but the higher ups? Well.....
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prologos
prologos 2 days ago
New day: "--I am a former elder who has held most congregational posts. I now feel zero guilt. But do you feel any guilt in having through your teaching as an elder participated in deluding so many?
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Ucantnome
Ucantnome 2 days ago

How can you feel guilty about something which has misled you? Still love the bros and sis on the ground but the higher ups



Maybe you should tell the bros and sis how you feel about the higher ups. Carefully.
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New day
New day 2 days ago
To answer your question, at the time I was teaching it I truly believed that what I thought would help people. I still believe that the basic Christian precepts taught by Jesus are a positive force for good. I tried not to ever guilt others into doing things, and as I look back I can see that I mostly chose, for example, public talk outlines on Christian living rather than the other, more iffy areas. I accept my part in encouraging others to take on board something I later realized was not all that it seemed to be, but we all have to live with our mistakes.
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New day
New day 2 days ago
Ucantnome, that is not an option for me at the moment. Got to stay below the parapet to be a support for my wife. She still fully believes and is super fragile.
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Landy
Landy 2 days ago

Don't answer their questions - they're being judgemental tossers.
Good luck with your wife.
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Ucantnome
Ucantnome 2 days ago

take good care of her
She still fully believes and is super fragile.
my suggestion was probably not a good idea


 
Ucantnome
Ucantnome 2 days ago

Don't answer their questions - they're being judgemental tossers.
Landy is that how you judged my post?
 
Tornintwo
Tornintwo 2 days ago

I was like your wife, severe problems with guilt and stress. Especially as a mum, as a jw you are supposed to keep the house very clean and be on top of everything there, support your husband in his privileges, hospitality etc, teach your children, work (at least in my case) , attend all meetings, prepare for all meetings, ministry as much as possible and help your kids to do the same. Then I would feel guilty and extremely stressed if I slipped up in any of these areas. Inevitably there would be some item on the assembly about 'doing more' with some demo about a super pioneer disabled mum of triplets and I'd end up in bits afterwards. It's pure mental torture.
Try to help your wife to start enjoying life, ask her is this what God really wants for her to be stressed, guilt ridden, loaded down, or to be happy and healthy and heartfelt in anything she does for God. It's men who put the burdens, rules and demands on us, nothing in the scriptures has it so. The only statistics counted converted new believers, never hours.
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Xanthippe
Xanthippe 2 days ago
Guilt can be a sign of clinical depression. It's a common symptom of low serotonin. The chemical imbalance comes first, you feel guilty and then your brain looks for reasons why you are feeling guilt. Prolonged stress depletes the body of serotonin. Rest and reducing stress will help if that's what's happening to your wife.
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Landy is that how you judged my post?
Not really - it was more the first one.
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New day
New day 2 days ago

Thanks for the understanding comments. Tornintwo, you are spot on. My wife feels all that. I have tried to get her to just BE and step back and lick her wounds a little, as I am doing. I have come under serious pressure to be more active again myself, like being asked to take fs meetings, and I have been amazed at myself for being able to kindly but firmly say "no." When they don't expect me to say it as I always gave in in the past, the sense of freedom is surprising. Wow, I can say no!
Xanthippe, she is severely depressed, you said it. Been to docs and she has meds. Not working well so far.
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Landy
Landy 2 days ago

Wow, I can say no!
The first time is always the most difficult - it gets easier!
 
Coded Logic
Coded Logic 2 days ago

Hobson's Choice. Hadn't bumped into that one before. Nice little cognitive tool for addressing people presenting ultimatums as a "choice".
Choosing between a having a black car and having no car doesn't mean you have a choice of colors for your car.
 
Xanthippe
Xanthippe 2 days ago
New Day, SSRI meds take about three weeks to start working. They help the serotonin build up in the brain. If she is severely depleted it will take time. I am so sorry for you both, I had it for five years. Rest and taking care of herself will help. A good diet, fresh air, exercise, stress reduction and sleep. The problem is the chemical imbalance will make her feel that she is not worthy of taking care of herself, she needs to realise her brain is working against her. My heart goes out to you both.
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sowhatnow
sowhatnow 2 days ago

as a former elder, you should know the scriptures to show her where God does not expect 'works' to show him how a person accepts jesus as the son.
your heart condition, is what makes God notice, not the works of men he is the hearer of prayer, not men.

God reads the heart, not a service form.
how she thinks a loving god would ever judge her for not being a wonder woman is beyond me.

explain to her that by taking care of her own health and happiness, will make her a better person inside, and a better loving wife and companion to you her husband.[ taking care of her family is all god expects from any woman.] god doesn't want or need worn out frazzled people,lol

This is what God wants from her, to love you and enjoy the gift of life.
what sort of god does she want to worship?
one that judges her on some warped idea of recordable 'works', or on her heart and love for her family?
one who wants a joyful heart or one who makes 'notes'?

how would she treat someone like herself? someone who feels depressed and sad and anxious? what would her advice be?
is she better than god? she might be.
by her being a simple loving happy wife is the best gift she can give to god.

not for her to conform and be upset due to an unbalanced view of worship.

best of luck.

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talesin
talesin 2 days ago
I can only imagine the pressure she is under from the BOE and others in the congregation. You have stepped down, are inactive (which is great), and she is still a believer. She has the weight of the world on her shoulders. Going to the KH must be very hard - it is on any JW whose spouse is inactive. Being extra kind, helping her out, ask her what she would like to do, and take a walk together every day.
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dubstepped
dubstepped 2 days ago
Guilt is "I did a bad thing". Shame is " I'm a bad person ". I think that what your wife is really feeling is shame. The Borg work it into their talks and publications, always questioning your true motives. There's a feeling of never being " enough" that gets to the core of who you are. It is manipulative on the part of the organization and a way of controlling good people because they'll do anything not to be bad people. It is twisted reasoning by monsters.
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stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 2 days ago

Fear, Obligation and Guilt ( FOG ) are the hallmarks of a high-control cult like group....
The moment one allows themselves to let go of such imposed FOG, is the moment clarity and joy returns to one's life!
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New day
New day a day ago

Talesin, sorry to give you the wrong impression if you thought l was inactive. No, still going out on the ministry to support my wife and to reassure that I have (in her eyes) not lost my faith. If she could take it I would be more forthcoming about how I feel, but it would crush her. I also go to most of the meetings as she couldn't go alone.
Xanthippe, the meds still aren't really working and she has been on them for over a year! We talked to the doc about something stronger but he is very cautious, doesn't want to give her something that drugs her too much.
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she mentioned how she is equally tortured by guilt if she misses meetings and ministry, and severe stress if she does them.



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Tornintwo a day ago
Counselling helped me more than meds, I had a lovely understanding counsellor, what helped the most is I could say anything to her without being judged for what I was saying which helped me sort my head out, whereas I had to be very guarded when speaking to any witnesses, including my husband, to not sound negative to the witness way of life and to my non believing family to not turn them against the witness religion that I loved. A fresh outside voice might also get through to her that she is putting herself under too much pressure, the witnesses are not so much against counselling now, maybe you can get away with suggesting it.
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New day
New day a day ago
Actually, she has recently said she might accept professional counseling so that is something we will look into. Up to now she was afraid it would reflect badly on being a Witness, as she thought a psychiatrist would advise her to reduce activities that cause stress, such as meetings and ministry!
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smiddy
smiddy a day ago

New day
Sorry buddy , but you are a part of your wife`s problem , you were an Elder and she believed all that came out of your mouth,for God knows how long, being a dutiful wife and an obedient wife to her husband.
Such wives in situations like this give over their all to their husbands believing the W.T. propaganda that they were directed by Holy Spirit.
Naive ,gullible ,vulnerable ,women , were coerced to obey their husbands with the threat of disfellowshipping if they challenged their husbands in any way.They were made to feel guilty if they wern`t doing enough from the society`s standpoint. And they were made to feel guilty if they questioned the society`s explanation of anything,
New day I sincerely hope you and your wife come to a better place , I do.
Thanks for sharing your experience here , and get professional help for your wife.
Convince her that professional help is available and they are not demonised
smiddy
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New day
New day 16 hours ago
Smiddy, with all due respect, my relationship with my wife has never been like the one you describe. She did not wait, starry-eyed for all my God inspired pronouncements. Actually, and this has always been an impediment to my 'progress' in the org, l have always believed that men and women are equal. Now you may have met people who behaved in this way, and l don't doubt that you have, but our dynamic does not work that way. She has, though, been very influenced by a misguided loyalty, in a general way, to the org. Thank you for your sincere advice.
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Xanthippe
Xanthippe 13 hours ago

Xanthippe, the meds still aren't really working and she has been on them for over a year! We talked to the doc about something stronger but he is very cautious, doesn't want to give her something that drugs her too much.
Thanks for your reply, I'm sorry you and your wife are going through this. That is a long time. I won't say anything else because you know your situation better than anyone. I suppose I just wanted to answer your OP about guilt and mention that it's often a symptom of depression, but you obviously know about it. Take care.
 
New day
New day 13 hours ago

Thanks Xanthippe. I don't post very often but when I do I usually get very understanding replies from kind people like you. I do still have some very old friends in the org who I am very fond of but alas I cannot speak freely to them about all my concerns as I would be labeled as an apostate. Any small feelers I put out were greeted with uncomfortable silences, refutations and subject changes. Nice to be truly myself here.
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Diogenesister
Diogenesister 13 hours ago

Dubstepped you are totally right...the org doesn't guilt you into doing more it shames you , guilt can on occasion be healthy shame never is.
New day you could try looking up shame..and some ways to combat it. Mindfulness is another fantastic tool for combatting depression...and walking. Every day.And by the way I have known some wonderful elders who have had the most posative impact on my life, and I'm an atheist now but I'm still grateful - so don't worry about the past we can only do our best with the tools we have at the time.
All the best.
 
Alive!
Alive! 12 hours ago

Hi
Sometimes women can be very intuitive, sounding out something is 'wrong' in their world or relationship - yet not necessarily able to identify or name the issue, through fear....
She may sense that your 'all good KH status' is shakey...
I used to have overwhelming feelings of anxiety about our marriage 'matching' the JW profile re meetings, service etc - it was awful. That brain pattern of anxiety and stress translated into bouts of depression - I'm going through a miserable bout at the moment, old patterns of 'mind control' which produces SHAME are like systematic physical reactions - I'm so sorry you are both struggling.
So many 'wives' are vulnerable in the WT - it's the terrible angst of wanting to be picture perfect - JWs don't do 'messy' life - but to normal folk messy is OK.
Life is messy -we get trained not to see that as normal, as something to be afraid of - my non JW friends ( Christian and otherwise) just deal with stuff as it comes along. I had my first all out panic attack a few years ago, in my 50s - and then a sense of disassociation from the real world, which was frightening.
I tried going to meetings during that time and I felt like I was in a nightmare.....the 'hall' felt like the worst place to be - I wanted peace, kindness and uplifting spiritual food - the dynamics of our KH made me feel worse than ever.
if she has faith in God, that needs to be nurtured to protect her from the 'cult' angle....which is fake and painful.
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Skedaddle
Skedaddle 12 hours ago

It sounds to me like you guys could do with a big change in your life. Is there any provision for this? I don't know your circumstances but maybe an extended break from the org masked as a holiday? Or a pack up and move to a different area, state or country even? If that's not possible, a new hobby that you can do together and if it includes the outdoors that would be very beneficial - bike riding? Pic-nics? Walking/hiking?
What I've found helps with depression is setting little things to look forward to everyday and big things to look forward to in the future. Maybe you can make a plan together and write it on a calendar. You can buy tickets for future events like concerts or events, book holidays etc.

I strongly also recommend you to look into natural medicines to compliment her medications. I will post a link to a page about essential oils beneath as just one area that can help. I like to make a pillow spray for when I sleep so I breath the oils in whilst my body is in repair mode but you can also have massage oils with them in or add to baths. Maybe you could look into this and also she should watch her diet. You are what you eat. Look up foods that uplift the mood and create more serotonin. Excercise is extremely important for depression also.

Essential oils for anxiety and depression
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Pete Zahut
Pete Zahut 8 hours ago

It seems to me a lot of JW's suffer from guilt but they are misinterpreting the guilt they feel. They often think their guilt is from not doing enough or doing the things they are supposed to do. The fact is they often don't really want to go in service or to all those meetings but feel like they SHOULD WANT to do those things and they feel guilty for NOT REALLY WANTING to do any of it.
◦The whole religion operates on the F.O.G. principle. Fear, Obligation, Guilt.
◦People are afraid of dying or being destroyed,
◦They are made to feel obligated to promote the Societies interests claiming their motivation is love for their fellow man but the main motivation is to save their own skins and they are ashamed of this.
◦They feel guilty for not doing what they're told to do and guilty for not wanting to do what they are told to do.
Maybe you could ask your wife to show you from the Bible how many meetings per week the early Christians attended. How long were these meetings? Were they held at night making it difficult for children and working people? Ask her what literature they used to spread the word and ask her to show you an example in the Bible where ordinary congregation members (including children) engaged in door to door activity using printed literature, collected money for it and were required to report the time they spent and their placements. Where in the Bible was a quota of hours spent per month, given? Maybe if she could see that this guilt is man induced rather than coming from something specific and clearly pointed out in the Bible, she'd feel better.

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ScrewedandConfused 2 days ago

Hello, I thought I should introduce myself. First, I apologize if my writing is not too good because English is not my first language.
My name is Art and I am 25 years of age. I was disfellowship once and it took me almost 2 years to get back in.
Now I am disfellowship again. I feel so hopeless because I know now it is not the truth but I do not know what to do or where to go because of my situation at present.
I enjoy reading all of your thoughts very much and decided it may be time to finally join.
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freemindfade
freemindfade 2 days ago

Don't feel hopeless. You can turn this into the best thing in your life.
1.You are out
2.You are still quite young
3.The world isn't as bad as they make it seem.
You need to cleanse yourself of the fear, guilt and obligation of the JW religion. Get to know your true self. Live as your true self. You may not have as big a circle of "friends" but your life can now be filled with true friends, and real truth.
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stan livedeath
stan livedeath 2 days ago

great to have you on here S & C-----feel free to ask any questions you like.
youre in good company here---and your English is fine.
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ToesUp
ToesUp 2 days ago

Art....Welcome!
So many on this forum have been right where you are. It has been good for me to hear how others have handled their situations.
Be thankful that you are young and got out early. Is your entire family in the org?
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FayeDunaway
FayeDunaway 2 days ago

I'm glad you woke up, art. I'm also sorry, because I'm sure you have lost at least a part of your family, maybe all, and now you don't know how to proceed with your life. This site has many many people who have lost their families and who have been able to rebuild their lives. It takes one step at a time.
You never know who may follow you out. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 2 days ago

Hi,
25 and kicked out twice? Give it up already.
You're plenty young to rebuild socially some place else. What I wouldn't give to be 25 and out of this Org!
Be well.
DY
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sparky1
sparky1 2 days ago
Welcome Art..........you will meet many kind and intelligent people here. Hope you stick around!
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Vidiot
Vidiot 2 days ago

Buddy, they don't want you back.
It hurts, but a lot of things in life do.
x
What you really need to ask yourself is, "why would I want to be where I'm not wanted?"
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steve2
steve2 2 days ago

Welcome to the forum. It is very common for those who've been disfellowshipped to feel pretty mixed up about things.
This is a safe and confidential forum for you to calmly and slowly work out your best mid- to longer-term plans.
The biggest learning is realizing there is no urgency, no emergency. JWs have been conditioned to make decisions in an urgent frame of mind. But that doesn't work well when it comes to sorting out beliefs - it just cranks up the fear and obligation.
So many prople on this site will identify with your situation.
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TheListener
TheListener 2 days ago
Welcome S&C. Glad you posted. Don't let them get you down.
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by ScrewedandConfused 2 days ago 25 Replies latest 20 hours ago   jw experiences
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ScrewedandConfused
ScrewedandConfused 2 days ago

I believe I need to explain my story. It is long and arduous. I was only baptized because a circuit overseer saw a future in me. I didn't really want to be baptized, I wanted a career in sports. I got disfellowed less than a year later due to lying to the elders about things that happened with a girl. I lie to protect the girl. They saw that as being deceitful and disfellowship me even though I had never even been reproved before. I tried for one year to get back in and they reject me twice. I stop going for 6 months and then started going again. In another 6 months I was reinstated.
Some time went and a new couple moves into my hall. We all start hanging out all the time. The husband, Ralph, drinks a lot. He will get drunk and leave me and his wife (Maria) alone all the time and we talk a lot but nothing happens. One time when I am with them he gets drunk and starts yelling at her and then tells me to get out but I am afraid she will get hurt so I refuse. I say that I am too drunk to drive and ask if I can stay for the evening. Eventually they go to bed but I wake up and hear Maria crying in the bathroom. I caught her on her way out and she tells me everything. Ralph is spending all of her money and occasionally hits her. She even shows me bruises.
I never meant to get involved with a woman who was married but it happened. I have been called many horrible names and maybe they are true. Why should she need to stay in a relationship that is abusive that she entered into when she was 18? Why suffer for another 60 years with this man?
We both went to the elders and were told we were going to be disfellowed. She even showed the elders her bruises and they said that was not there concern, they were only concerned with the actions that happened. Ralph was not even counseled. He is dating another woman in the congregation and they do not care to warn her of his habits.
After ralph divorced Maria, she wanted to marry me. We thought we would get married and return together. But then my co worker showed me some information that was very concerning. After about two months of studying information from different websites and books Maria and I realized this was not the truth. But she decided we didn't need to get remarried so quickly just to make the elders happy.
now I am stuck. My love wants to get reinstated and then move from the congregation because she wants her family back in full. They do not shun her but will not go in public with her. I am indifferent towards my family. They are witnesses but they never treated me well because I was a bastard child. If they shunned me forever I would not care very much. I know I will be a better parent to my future children. Maria wants to wait until we are reinstated to get married but I am fearful they will never let me back in. Some people have told me I didn't do it right the first time I was disfellowed and that's why it took so long. I do not know what to do.
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OutsiderLookingIn
OutsiderLookingIn 2 days ago

One word: RUN. Two words: RUN FAST.
I know it sounds harsh. I can tell you care about her very much and you seem like a considerate and thoughtful person. But what you've said tells me that she cares more about the comfort of familiar relationships than the truth. And if she chooses the cult with the information she's seen, you're setting yourself up for failure. Right now, It's just you and her. Do you think it will be harder or easier to sort things out when you're married and have a child or two?
I'm not that old but oh to be 25 again. You have so much life ahead of you. Don't make decisions based on feelings that may be over sooner than you think. I know it's hard but believe it or not, you survive! Make a clean break while the stakes are low.
Oh, and welcome :smile:
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 2 days ago

Welcome to the forum Art .

Do you have any pressing questions ?
How can we help you ?

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jhine
jhine 2 days ago

Welcome Art ,
Jan
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stephanie61092
stephanie61092 2 days ago

Hi Art!! Thank you so much for posting and for sharing your story. Your English is beautiful. First and foremost, I will never call you any names for being "the other man". I am in no position to judge anyone and anyone who stoops so low as to call you names doesn't deserve a second thought.
I can't totally relate to your situation but in their own way our situations are similar. My story didn't involve any marriages but my BF and I were both DFd. We thought about getting married and coming back together but then we learned TTATT and decided to get reinstated, get married if we still want to and then fade. That way we can have contact with our friends and family.
I don't have much advice except the advice that's been given to me. If you want to get reinstated quickly...
1) be at EVERY meeting 2) be well studied (publications highlighted and written on) 3) Sit where your elders will see you 4) if you can, let your elders know ahead of time if you're missing a meeting and have a good reason 5) Since you've been DFd before, maybe don't write your first letter til the 12 month mark, then make a request every 60-90 days.
I'm not sure how helpful I was, im still going through the process myself- this was advice I've received from others on this site. Maybe they can tailor some advice for your exact situation.
But please stick around. This is a great community and forum and you will continue to learn about the deception of the Watchtower and how to combat their mind control tactics.
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steve2
steve2 2 days ago

We've all done things we wished we had not done, so I do not judge you. Alcohol plays a big part in a lot of trouble people experience. Yes, it can be really hard when someone you care for is suffering physical abuse and it's even harder when those you think should care - the elders - don't care at all for what she suffered.
Take it real slow. Don't make any quick decisions. You've now got your girlfriend to think of. While she agrees with you, she doesn't want to lose her family.
Stay around this forum and begin to develop a plan so you can find a way forward.
Best wishes.
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millie210
millie210 2 days ago

Perhaps Maria would like you to be reinstated so that the two of you could have a wedding without the worry of people you love not coming.
That is certainly understandable.
You will have to weigh out is that one day (wedding) worth being reinstated for?
If it is then you have your answer. If it is not then you and Maria will have to talk.
This will be one of many difficult situations you will have to face together once you are a married couple.
Maybe seeing how the two of you handle this will help you both learn about each other and your styles of making decisions about all of lifes issues?
Wishing the best to you both.
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flipper
flipper 2 days ago

The poster named OUTSIDER LOOKING IN is right. RUN LIKE HELL ! If Maria wants her family back and wants to jump through the hoops to do it fine- but it will drive you crazy having to pretend the JW's are " the truth " - when you know they are not. WT Society and WT leaders are actually running a criminal organization that has killed or caused the death of thousands of people on this planet. Refusing to allow minor children life saving blood transfusions, allowing child molesting pedophiles to remain in congregations if they allegedly " repent " and then these pedophiles rape even more JW children. And then when these child abuse victims grow up they commit suicide because the JW elders won't listen to their pleas for help but continue reinstating and sometimes even appointing child molesters as fellow elders serving in the congregation. And they forbid going to college to get a higher education.
So is THIS the organization that your love Maria is so concerned about returning to ? Sounds like you need to inform Maria about some of these criminal happenings within Jehovah's Witnesses and both you and her will have an informed decision to make. In good conscience can you support this shit ?
Why not make it easier on yourself and Maria- move away to another location and start a new life together ? Or if Maria is so intent on pleasing JW family that will judge her unfit or judge her unjustly- move on from Maria and don't let her need to be a JW screw up your life. Just being blatantly honest here- I have lots of JW family still in and they unjustly judge me - even though I'm not DFed. So it's like pissing in the wind for years trying to get reinstated when they will still treat us like crap even when we aren't DFed. We are here as a support for you my friend. You need to have further awakening and please do more research like your friends mentioned to you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Giordano
Giordano 2 days ago

Well the decision to go through reinstatement appears to be her decision. I also believe you would be better off not going back. Especially since you would have to petition the Elders who DF you both.
Respect her choice........... however her decision to reinstate should not be binding on you.
If you are both in love then live together now and see what life is like as a couple. Or if she really needs to have her family back in her life but wants you in her life as well then marry so she can have you in her life and make the attempt to be reinstated. Either way start a life together.
Being married may be her best choice as she can then start the process in good faith. It also says something about your commitment to make a life together. But I seriously think a life in the JW world will not happen for you.....since family is not an issue then this decision is yours to make.
I'd wait on children for a few more years to see what she is like when reinstated.
This is a difficult situation with a lot of emotional elements. There are a fair number of divided couples on this site where one is a JW and one isn't and they have found a way to love one another. There are also couples who have not put the beliefs behind and have broken up.
Establishing a new location away from this congregation and any close family members would be helpful. Alone time may be the right thing for now.
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Crazyguy
Crazyguy a day ago
Yeah run she is still conected to the religion do to family and once back in she may become a full member again in her head and expecting you to do the same. Best thing cut your losses run from her and the religion I know that's harsh but you have a long future ahead.
 

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Wasanelder Once
Wasanelder Once a day ago
Art, you are not "screwed". You are "unscrewed" now that you know the truth. Welcome. Feel free to ask specific questions as they come to you. You have the whole world ahead of you!

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Village Idiot
Village Idiot a day ago

Welcome here Art! I hope your being on this site will make you feel less screwed and confused.
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ssn587
ssn587 a day ago
Run stay away from that cult.
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LoveUniHateExams
LoveUniHateExams a day ago

Welcome, S&C, your English is ok.
This forum is a place where we can vent our feelings, freely question or criticise the Watchtower, exchange ideas and give encouragement.
Please keep posting and reading here, there are plenty of posters who have been what you have been through and can give you advice.
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SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass a day ago
Welcome. What you have available to you now is a gift no God could possibly hand you - freedom. Use it!
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ScrewedandConfused
ScrewedandConfused 20 hours ago
Thank you everyone for your replies and advice. Maria is definitely not attached to the religion. She realized it was all a scam faster than I did. I am just taking it one step at a time like many of you are advising me to. I will try to keep you updated.
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by rebel8 2 days ago 5 Replies latest 8 hours ago   jw friends
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rebel8
rebel8 2 days ago

I thought I would rework this and try it again. :smile:
I found an old baptism nullification letter here written by poster Balsam, and revised it a bit.
I really think we should do a large-scale baptismal nullification request. Letter and more info here.
I am concerned there is no way to track how many people did it. When Mormons did their mass resignations, they did it in a park and could count all the applications. If I ask people to just send their own letters, I would have no way of knowing how many were sent. I tried setting up online surveys/petitions to collect signatures for the letter, but they were either rejected for TOS violations or the free sites do not allow enough signatures.

Beyond curiosity, the number is important in order to get media attention. If we can't quantify it, it may be "not news".
Or maybe if we could get it trending on social media (#unJW), that would be a way to tell if it went viral.
Thoughts?
 
Wasanelder Once
Wasanelder Once 2 days ago
I hate to say it but I once, innocently, called for mass protest to a site or organization and didn't realize it was actually spamming. That is not allowed on here so I assume someone will bring it up and take down your post. Could be wrong but who knows?

 
Simon
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I don't see any reason to object to it if anyone wants to do it.
 
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Armchair activism accomplishes precisely nothing, especially with JWs
 
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Simon....
 
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accomplishes precisely nothing, especially with JWs
As I stated, JWs are not the target of this activity.

 

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In 1968 Merle Haggard released a country song with the lyrics " and I turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole. No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried." The following year I too turned twenty-one and found myself in prison but not for the reasons Haggard sang about. It was the Vietnam Era and I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So I began my adult life with thirty other young Witness men in a Federal prison camp at Eglin Air Force Base Florida for selective service violation. Little did I know that a few years later I would be at The Lord's House with one of these young men as a room mate.
In 1971 I was released after serving seventeen months of my three year sentence, the remainder I would finish on parole. After a few years of working and pioneering 1975 was fast approaching. And what better place for a Witness to be at than The Lord's House, I thought. I was , as they use to say unencumbered, so I applied for Bethel service and was accepted.
My first job at Bethel was in a construction crew in the subbasement , that's even lower than the basement, of the newly acquired Towers Hotel. We were to demo. two mammoth oil burning boilers used for heating the hotel. They were to be replaced by smaller more efficient ones by an outside company.In otherwords we got to do the dirty preparation grunt work. Hey, we were just happy to be there at The Lord's House.
There wasn't as much said back in the 70s about safety as there is today. Probably that young brother who had to craw into that old oil storage tank to clean the gunk out would have violated OSHA Confined Space Rules of today. And removing that asbestos that insulated the boilers and piping had to conflict with modern OSH Rules. I guess the Lord would protect us was our naive thinking back then. Asbestosis sometimes takes years to show up. A thought that I find worrisome to this day.
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Pete Zahut
Pete Zahut a day ago
I was in Bethel at that time (76) stuck in the Bindery and never got to see what others were doing. I love hearing how the other half lived...I've got my popcorn ready....please continue your story !

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Sail Away
Sail Away a day ago
wasone and Pete Zahut, my husband was at Bethel in 1974/75. He worked in the carpentry shop and was known for distributing health food snacks in little yellow bags for $1. He gave up his little business venture when he had more IOUs than dollar bills in his money box. Sound familiar? 😃
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wasone
wasone a day ago

We finished that project in the Towers and I was given the choice to work with a brother in concrete finishing or continue under Fred Barns as a plumber in his seven man Towers crew. I stayed with Fred who I would learn later had gotten in trouble with a couple of other brothers named Frew a few years earlier for sticking up for the younger Bethelites. We worked on fuel transfer piping and maintenance in the Towers for a while. I didn't like the thought of drinking water from the Towers tap though after we found dead pigeons floating in the rooftop domestic water tank. Little did I know this would begin a life long career as a plumber for me.
When an opening in the Home Repair Shop at 124 Columbia Heights building became available I was sent over by Fred to Walter Turpin, Home Repair shop overseer. Fred said I was to be his eyes and ears in the home.Even though I was a new boy I got the sense that Fred must of been in some sort of punishment, banished to the Tower's dungeon. Though I did not know at the time of the trouble caused by the three Freds earlier.
Life at the Home Repair Shop was much easier and cleaner. Mostly doing plumbing repair jobs in the different residence buildings. I pretty much got to see what was going on through out the home. Once when changing the toilet seat in Knorr's suite I peeped in one of his closets and it was filled with all different kinds of liquor. At that time we only got a few dollars monthly allowance maybe fourteen or so plus a few more for travel allowance if we requested it. .At any rate I remember thinking how nice it must be to live in this luxury compared to the dinky poorly furnished Towers room that me and my former prison mate shared. Some are just more equal at Bethel than others I was beginning to learn. Take the shower in Sec. Treasurer Grant Suiter's suite for example. Why did he need so many shower heads that completely surrounded the shower like a car wash? I don't know to each his own I guess. Suiter's wife once got onto the family at morning worship about using too much toilet paper. What! We were basically working for room and board and now they were wanting us not to use so much toilet paper. In hindsight we should of used the magazines instead I guess. There was an elderly brother who worked a little in the repair shop. He had been at Bethel most of his life with no living family, he was trapped at Bethel. I once asked him if he had it to do over would he have made Bethel a career? He hung his head and sadly said no.
By this time 1975 had come and gone without any evidence that the new system was any closer. People at Bethel were not all that happy either. Seem to me that quite a few were cracking under the pressure of the hectic schedule of work, meetings, and congregation activity. People were wanting to leave the Lord's House. I remember going to a repair job of one of the brothers who worked in the Service Department. I thought it was the usual plumbing type problem but instead the guy's wife wanted me to plug up all the holes and cracks I could find to keep the bugs from entering their room. She had become paranoid or ocd about bugs. Was that caused by mental pressure? I don't know. Something wasn't right.Then there was that little newly married hispanic sister who after awhile stayed confined to her room. In hushed whispers it was said she had mental problems. And the electrician brother who was found wondering the street near Bethel in a stupor trying to find his way to the factory in the wee morning hours. People seemed to me to be cracking because of disappointment possibly.
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wasone
wasone a day ago
Sail Away I don't remember the snacks so don't know who you are talking about. However my room mate worked in the the carpentry shop at that same time. So it's possible that I knew your husband.
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under the radar
under the radar a day ago
You're a great storyteller. Keep 'em coming...
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wasone
wasone 20 hours ago

I think Knorr believed that the way god blessed us was by giving us more work to do.One day I found myself on the elevator with him in the 124 building, The only thing the man ever said to me was, are you staying busy, do you have enough to do? Of course I told him I did. Just didn't seem to be the right time to mention that sometimes I got caught up with my work and would spend time hiding in a supply room reading up on plumbing code. May be he was just out of touch. It was at this time when the family was so discontent that he added fuel to the fire by telling the family that as long as he had anything to do with it the four year commitment arrangement would never be done away with. But apparently someone with more empathy seen what was going on and a change was made. In 1976 we were told that if any at Bethel were not happy there we could leave without any repercussions. It was about this time that a Bethel Elder from my Flatbush Congregation approached me about being appointed as an elder in the congregation. I told him that I appreciated the recommendation but I really didn't know how I would be able to help since I was leaving Bethel as soon as possible. A gruff Bethel Overseer Ray Rose , who held the master plumbing license for the society,told me I should reconsider and stay so that I could become tough like him and withstand any future tribulation. If he only knew it was tough company men like him that made Bethel so unappealing to me. And the fear of becoming trapped there with nothing, like the old brother in the repair shop and so many others there,There had to be more to life than what Bethel had to offer.
My room mate ended up leaving Bethel and marring a girl from his Bronx Congregation. I think they moved back to his home in Florida, Despite me telling Ray Rose that I didn't want to stay and become like him he gave me a good referral letter to use to get an outside job.
I took that letter with me back to the Chattanooga Tn. area where I was from and used it to get an entry level job in a plumbing shop. I applied myself to the trade, got licenses and eventually got into the local plumbing union. Worked hard, got married, walked away from the religion in the 80s and raised a family. In 2010 I retired after working over thirty years at the trade. What did I learn from that Bethel experience that happened now some forty years ago? Well in my humble opinion I learned that Bethel is not the Lord's House. Never seen any evidence of God dwelling there. I learned that the Watchtower is just a cooperation and that Jehovah's Witnesses are just another religion. They are in business to do what all religions do. They sell hope.
Sometimes I wonder about those who stayed at Bethel. I have a home a family and a retirement. Sadly from stories we are hearing I don't think those career people who are being forced to leave now are that lucky. And at this point in my story I will say what Forrest Gump said" and that is all I have to say about that."
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Giordano
Giordano 19 hours ago
Well told........ good account of Bethel life.
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steve2
steve2 19 hours ago

Decades in Bethel, they cannot help but see so many others put out to pasture. But when it finally happens to them, they react like stunned mullets: "Why me? After all these years of fzithful service, this is my reward?!"
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. I cannot feel sad for long time Bethelites sent packing - not when I know they have observed it happen to so many before them.
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Sail Away
Sail Away 19 hours ago
Wasone, wow! I think you must know my husband. He was a MS and assigned to the Flatbush congregation while at Bethel. Leaving Bethel before your four-year contract was up was called 'leaving on the Mayflower', hence my husband's username over on Reddit-- Bethel Mayflower. I sent you a private message.
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"Once when changing the toilet seat in Knorr's suite I peeped in one of his closets and it was filled with all different kinds of liquor" - wasone
What really shocked me was George Couch's suite at Watchtower Farms. I had to do some exterminating in there once and couldn't believe it. He had a fairly new, console color television and a bar that could rival a cruise ships bar.
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in 1968 merle haggard released a country song with the lyrics " and i turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole.
no one could steer me right but mama tried, mama tried.
" the following year i too turned twenty-one and found myself in prison but not for the reasons haggard sang about.



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Survey of Involvement in Cults / Religious Groups : PhD Research Project
by ZAPPA-ESQUE in Jehovah's Witnesses
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its a short anonymous survey - perhaps you would like to contribute 5 minutes- .

via: icsa (international cultic studies association).

""i'm passing on the message below from a duke university student who is conducting a research study that has gone through the duke institutional review board.

joe134cd
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stuckinarut2
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Awww, you "love and miss us"? Really? Then why ignore us?
by stuckinarut2 in Jehovah's Witnesses
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so we received the obligatory "shoved under the door" memorial invitation and "return to jehovah" brochure the other week.

it also had a hand written note from two elders saying "we love and miss you" etc.... so why then when one of them saw us at the grocery store, did he pretend to not see us and then ignore and quickly walk away?.

the sincerity is wonderful..... dont get me wrong, we dont want any attention from them, but it's an interesting observation anyway.....

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sparrowdown
14 hours ago
Darryl
TELEVISION
by Darryl in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
so i have been hooked on the oj miniseries very compelling.

i happened to miss episode 8 forgot to set my dvr.

i had been searching for days for episode 8 because with past episodes they have been showing them at least a half dozen times at odd hours however not true with episode 8. so i go to my phone and google the episode maybe it's been downloaded somewhere so can watch it.

Wild_Thing
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Kingdom Hall Built on Site of Former Slave Market
by Wild_Thing in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
in mississippi, there is a historical site called forks of the road.

before the civil war, it was one of the most active slave trading markets in the south.

it was a triangular piece of land formed by ... you guessed it ... a fork in the road.

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dropoffyourkeylee
14 hours ago
wasone
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My life
by wasone in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
in 1968 merle haggard released a country song with the lyrics " and i turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole.

no one could steer me right but mama tried, mama tried.

" the following year i too turned twenty-one and found myself in prison but not for the reasons haggard sang about.

steve2
Sail Away
sparky1
18 hours ago
Sledracer
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out for a long time
by Sledracer in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 2 days ago
my husband and i have been out for a long time, maybe fifteen years, i must say we are in a bit of a nowhere land spiritually, we find it impossible to attend any other church.

we really resent so much of how they messed up our and our children's lives.

we can't get back all those 25 years we were in.

Sledracer
Sledracer
Sledracer
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New day
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Some thoughts on guilt.
by New day in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 2 days ago
had an interesting conversation with my wife recently.

she struggles with physical, emotional and psychological problems which have often caused her to miss meetings.

she mentioned how she is equally tortured by guilt if she misses meetings and ministry, and severe stress if she does them.

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8 hours ago
Dagney
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I got my Memorial invite! I got my Memorial invite!
by Dagney in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 2 days ago
my first one!

even though i got it saturday, march 26, in the mail in an envelope addressed to "my dear neighbor.".

it's the thought that counts..

Pete Zahut
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brandnew
17 hours ago
ScrewedandConfused
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Hello, I'm new to this site
by ScrewedandConfused in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 2 days ago
hello, i thought i should introduce myself.

first, i apologize if my writing is not too good because english is not my first language.

my name is art and i am 25 years of age.

LoveUniHateExams
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ScrewedandConfused
20 hours ago
rebel8
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Mass baptism nullification 10/2/16 #unJW
by rebel8 in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 2 days ago
i thought i would rework this and try it again.

i found an old baptism nullification letter here written by poster balsam, and revised it a bit.. i really think we should do a large-scale baptismal nullification request.

letter and more info here.. i am concerned there is no way to track how many people did it.

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Activating Genius
by Brokeback Watchtower in Jehovah's Witnesses
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this fellow seems to have some good idea about how to get most out of your brain.

this is something i have been very interested in these days, neurogenesis.

i have been doing something things that have increased my neurogenisis as it has many benefits to make life more enjoyable.

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help me understand: i can't find where in the new testament it states the partakes go to heaven
by goingthruthemotions in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 12 hours ago
so i am trying to gather some data so i could present to my wife.

i keep showing her john 6 where it states you need to partake of the bread and wine to be resurrected and in union with jesus and have everlasting life.. but, where in the bible does it say if you partake your going to heaven?

is this a wtbs twisting of scripture to fit there doctrine?.

steve2
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Joliette
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I quit the Goodwill :(
by Joliette in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 16 hours ago
i couldnt take seeing people from the kingdom hall.

you guys wouldnt believe how many jehovahs witnesses shop in the goodwill.

i couldnt take it.

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Terry
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My "best" friend (active JW) has just died
by Terry in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 17 hours ago
johnny santa cruz and i met around 1959 at a movie theater in fort worth, texas.. the purpose of that meeting was to create a fanclub for horror movie director william castle.

a week or so later, johnny stopped me as i was walking home from elementary school.. "hey--i think i know you.

weren't you at the william castle fanclub thing?".

smiddy
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tiki
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new boy
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Chapter One of my New Novel "New Boy"
by new boy in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 19 hours ago
the pledge is over and all the children sit back down at their desks.

many kids look at keith as he walks back into the classroom.

then your religion is weird.” .

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8 hours ago
olongapo joe
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The Org. is screwing with me!
by olongapo joe in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
not jw.org, but phillippine immigration.org.

i have lived in the p.i.

(phillippine islands) for 9 years now.

stillin
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stan livedeath
a day ago
Gorbatchov
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Religion, a part of the American way of Life.
by Gorbatchov in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
found this picture on the twitter account and it makes a wider perspective to me.. the jw religion is so part of the american way of life, just like the other religions in the us.. in the jw growth rate country's there is a market for this "better" life.

the religion makes it possible.. western europe had that marketing mix need after world war 2 and maybe a part of the cold war.. see the picture, and you know, the similarities with the jw religion, the change will be in details and not fundamental.. gorby.

.

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George One Time
14 hours ago
adjusted knowledge
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Have you ever experience suprise by an Elder that actually showed compassion and reasoning in a judicial committee?
by adjusted knowledge in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
some 25 years ago when i was an active teenager in the congregation there was this elder's teenage son that acted out sexually at a young age.

the elder's son i believe was molested over a short period of time at a very young age by another elder whose wife was dying of cancer.

the reason why i suspect it is because this elder was caught and discipline "privately" for touching the breast of a 15 year girl in our congregation.

Witness My Fury
a day ago
poopie
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Help jw
by poopie in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
jello

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13 hours ago
ZAPPA-ESQUE
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Survey of Involvement in Cults / Religious Groups : PhD Research Project
by ZAPPA-ESQUE in Jehovah's Witnesses
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its a short anonymous survey - perhaps you would like to contribute 5 minutes- .

via: icsa (international cultic studies association).

""i'm passing on the message below from a duke university student who is conducting a research study that has gone through the duke institutional review board.

joe134cd
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What would they say?
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when we are free!

it's been a life well-lived, away from the wts.. share your triumphs, your dreams.

think of the possibilities, if you were free.

Brokeback Watchtower
Activating Genius
by Brokeback Watchtower in Jehovah's Witnesses
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this fellow seems to have some good idea about how to get most out of your brain.

this is something i have been very interested in these days, neurogenesis.

i have been doing something things that have increased my neurogenisis as it has many benefits to make life more enjoyable.

goingthruthemotions
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help me understand: i can't find where in the new testament it states the partakes go to heaven
by goingthruthemotions in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Personal Experiences & Reunions
 12 hours ago
so i am trying to gather some data so i could present to my wife.

i keep showing her john 6 where it states you need to partake of the bread and wine to be resurrected and in union with jesus and have everlasting life.. but, where in the bible does it say if you partake your going to heaven?

is this a wtbs twisting of scripture to fit there doctrine?.

steve2
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Joliette
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I quit the Goodwill :(
by Joliette in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 16 hours ago
i couldnt take seeing people from the kingdom hall.

you guys wouldnt believe how many jehovahs witnesses shop in the goodwill.

i couldnt take it.

Pete Zahut
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Cangie
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Terry
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My "best" friend (active JW) has just died
by Terry in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 17 hours ago
johnny santa cruz and i met around 1959 at a movie theater in fort worth, texas.. the purpose of that meeting was to create a fanclub for horror movie director william castle.

a week or so later, johnny stopped me as i was walking home from elementary school.. "hey--i think i know you.

weren't you at the william castle fanclub thing?".

smiddy
Xanthippe
tiki
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new boy
7
Chapter One of my New Novel "New Boy"
by new boy in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 19 hours ago
the pledge is over and all the children sit back down at their desks.

many kids look at keith as he walks back into the classroom.

then your religion is weird.” .

gma-tired2
Introvert 2
Clearview
8 hours ago
olongapo joe
5
The Org. is screwing with me!
by olongapo joe in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Personal Experiences & Reunions
 a day ago
not jw.org, but phillippine immigration.org.

i have lived in the p.i.

(phillippine islands) for 9 years now.

stillin
Listener
stan livedeath
a day ago
Gorbatchov
6
Religion, a part of the American way of Life.
by Gorbatchov in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 a day ago
found this picture on the twitter account and it makes a wider perspective to me.. the jw religion is so part of the american way of life, just like the other religions in the us.. in the jw growth rate country's there is a market for this "better" life.

the religion makes it possible.. western europe had that marketing mix need after world war 2 and maybe a part of the cold war.. see the picture, and you know, the similarities with the jw religion, the change will be in details and not fundamental.. gorby.

.

SecretSlaveClass
Perry
George One Time
14 hours ago
adjusted knowledge
1
Have you ever experience suprise by an Elder that actually showed compassion and reasoning in a judicial committee?
by adjusted knowledge in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Personal Experiences & Reunions
 a day ago
some 25 years ago when i was an active teenager in the congregation there was this elder's teenage son that acted out sexually at a young age.

the elder's son i believe was molested over a short period of time at a very young age by another elder whose wife was dying of cancer.

the reason why i suspect it is because this elder was caught and discipline "privately" for touching the breast of a 15 year girl in our congregation.

Witness My Fury
a day ago
poopie
6
Help jw
by poopie in Jehovah's Witnesses
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