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Where does WT get their money?
by Dreamerdude 14 hours ago 7 Replies latest 15 minutes ago   watchtower beliefs
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Dreamerdude 14 hours ago

I assume they get most of it from cash donations and assets left in wills. There may also be some income from invested assets. I guess they get a lot of money from old JWs who die childless or with only df'd kids.
Geographically I assume they get it mostly from a few countries that have many publishers and strong economies. They recently published their top 6 publisher countries:
1) US
2)Mexico
3) Brazil
4) Nigeria
5) Italy
6) Japan
I am sure the US makes up 50% of their income. Mexico, Brazil, and Nigeria are almost surely money losers, maybe even money pits. I don't think the Italians earn much profit, if any. I'll bet that Japan is number two in profits, with their super branch. I guess Germany is next with their super branch. I think the UK and and Canada turn sizable profits. Australia was profitable, even with their small population, at least until ARC.
Here is my guess about profits:
1) US 50%
2) Japan 18%
3) Germany 16%
4) UK (known to the stupid Borg as Britain) 10%
5) Canada 6%
6) Australia?
My impression is that the rest of the world either breaks even or loses money for the Borg. The case of India, which I read about here, is a funny case where the India branch has to beg Indian expats to donate from overseas, with copies of their passports.
What are your thoughts? I hope I have not exposed my poor accounting skills. Please take easy on me, since this is my first post of intended substance. I hope awake people in these rich countries can help dry up the funds to this lousy "charity".
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Dreamerdude
Dreamerdude 14 hours ago
Sorry for the lousy formatting. Not sure what I did wrong.
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Dreamerdude
Dreamerdude 14 hours ago
I guess they call them "lands", which baffles me as much as it did Angus Stewart.
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LevelThePlayingField
LevelThePlayingField 8 hours ago

I like your post. Nice thoughts and I agree with the U.S being the cash cow for the org. And I think there are a lot of people who are no longer donating in the U.S. anymore either. That's why there well is drying up.
Too bad.
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Dreamerdude
Dreamerdude 7 hours ago

Level, I hope you are right. I am trying to understand how the money men and lawyers who run the WT think. They must be considering their revenue streams closely, unless they are as foolish as Lett makes them seem, not really understanding what's flowing in and what's flowing out.
The US has a history of indulging cults, though, so Americans might be more generous, and for longer. This country has supported the likes of Puritans, Anabaptists, Quakers, Shakers, Mormons, Adventists, and Scientologists as well. It's the land of the free, in which some religions use their religious freedoms to take people captive. It's also the land of the brave, where people can stand up for their freedom.
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smiddy
smiddy 6 hours ago

Doesn`t a lot of their money come straight from the sale of Real Estate that they own ?
Prime real Estate in NYC , Bethels , Branch Offices around the world , Kingdom halls that are built by volunteer labour and then sold off for profit , amalgamation of other KH,`s .
And let`s not forget the wiping of loan arrangements from the table that would have been paid off in a few years or more and then pledging that same amount of money to be paid to W.T. HQ for eternity or Armageddon , whichever comes first.
smiddy
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Dreamerdude
Dreamerdude 5 hours ago
Yes, that's quite a racket. Get other people to build it, then sell it for 100% profit.
 
cookiemaster
cookiemaster 15 minutes ago
I'm not entirely sure, but I think most Western countries they're present in, turn a profit. The US of course has over a million publishers, hundreds of thousands that probably donate and tens of billions in real estate. Other Western countries have much smaller JW populations, so they're probably only a fraction of the income brought by the US, but they're still profitable. Going by the reports, here in Romania they get quite a nice profit. All conventions seem to be making money. KHs have lots of money. They also seem to have tens of millions in real estate throughout the country. Just in this circuit they have all sorts of assembly halls and kingdom halls in cities where they can easily be sold for millions each to all sorts of corporate businesses. All build with free slave labor, of course.
 

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PLEASE post some comments on this news-site! It's not a bad piece of journalism, but there are definitely some gaps that need to be filled.
The pro-JW apologists have already started posting on it! Here's the link: http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/christianity/the-jehovahs-witnessess-religion-and-how-they-differ-from-other-christians
 

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Why did Jehovah want to kill Moses?
by Doug Mason 12 hours ago 11 Replies latest an hour ago   watchtower bible
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On the way, at a place where they spent the night, the LORD met him and tried to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched Moses' feet with it, and said, "Truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!" So he let him alone. It was then she said, "A bridegroom of blood by circumcision." (Exodus 4:24-26, NRSV)
At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.) (NIV)
 As Moses and his family were traveling along and had stopped for the night, Jehovah appeared to Moses and threatened to kill him. Then Zipporah his wife took a flint knife and cut off the foreskin of her young son’s penis, and threw it against Moses’ feet, remarking disgustedly, “What a blood-smeared husband you’ve turned out to be!”
Then God left him alone. (TLB)
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sowhatnow
sowhatnow 12 hours ago
lol, well, Im sure there's a lot missing in that story..... there has to be! [I wonder, has that been passed over in the weekly bible reading, lol ]

 
DATA-DOG
DATA-DOG 12 hours ago

OMG! This must be one of those scriptures the WTBTS ignored when I was growing up.
DD
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James Mixon
James Mixon 11 hours ago

It's so weird in the OT, what's the fascination with the foreskin?? Remember David
collected 200 of them.
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Scully
Scully 11 hours ago

It was because Moses broke the Abrahamic covenant - the one that required males to be circumcised on the 8th day of life - by (1) marrying outside the tribes and (2) allowing his wife, Zipporah, to carry on with her family traditions, which did not, apparently, include circumcision of the male children.
PS - I inquired about this scripture to one of the Elders™ when I was 14 or 15. His answer? "Why don't you do some research and tell me what you find." I guess he didn't know how to say "I really don't know."




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freemindfade
freemindfade 10 hours ago
The beat part is how moses wrote about his death (after he died) and said how he (himself) was the meekest man ever. Lol silly bible, go home you're drunk.
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James Mixon
James Mixon 9 hours ago

The true story: Damn't Moses you have been moping around for days crying
like a baby, my son is not circumcised God is going to kill me. Grow some balls man.
Zipporah threw something in Moses face. Moses jumps and ask , what the hell is this?
Zipporah: it's your son's little foreskin you jerk.
Moses: are you nuts can my son walk, can he wee wee?
Hell woman I will sleep with one eye open for now on, you are one crazy woman,
they told me not to marry your crazy ass.
Don't you think that makes a better read???
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garyneal
garyneal 9 hours ago
https://youtu.be/ZyFM0_AhIYA?t=6m35s
 
Lieu
Lieu 9 hours ago

'Cause he was getting on God's last nerve.☺
The first part when he runs from the staff turned snake is hilarious.
I can just imagine it ...'What the???? Bye!' I'm out.
 
Daniel1555
Daniel1555 4 hours ago

There are a few bible verses that are too crazy to find normal explanations. They are even too crazy for Watchtower, so they ignore them. That's one of those.
In all the years growing up in JW land, this vers was never discussed.
Because it shows that biblical Jehovah is a psycho.
 

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Note the stone age knife being used betraying the story's stone age mentality.
 
TheOldHippie
TheOldHippie an hour ago

Not quite ignored, it is quoted in Insight, saying
Scholars have offered many interpretations of this passage, some of these being incorporated into modern Bible translations. (See CC, JB, Kx, La, NE, RS, as well as the German Zürcher Bibel, the Spanish Bover-Cantera and the French Crampon, Lienart, and Segond versions.) Such interpretations attempt to settle questions as to whether it was Moses’ or the child’s life that was threatened, whether Zipporah touched the feet of Moses or the feet of the child or the feet of the angel with the foreskin. They also venture opinions as to why Zipporah said (and to whom she said), “You are a bridegroom of blood to me.”
It seems that it was the child’s life that was in danger in view of what the law of circumcision states at Genesis 17:14; that Zipporah circumcised the child because she realized what was needed to set matters right; that she cast the foreskin at the feet of the angel who was threatening the child’s life to demonstrate her compliance with Jehovah’s law; that Zipporah addressed Jehovah through his representative angel when she exclaimed, “You are a bridegroom of blood to me,” doing so to show her acceptance of a wifely position in the circumcision covenant with Jehovah as the husband.—See Jer 31:32.
But there is no way of Scripturally settling such questions with certainty. The literal reading of the ancient Hebrew in this passage is veiled in the idioms used nearly 3,500 years ago. This is why literal translations (NW, Ro, Yg) and others (AS, KJ, Da, Dy, JP, Mo, Le), including the ancient Greek Septuagint, are not clear on these matters.
 

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on the way, at a place where they spent the night, the lord met him and tried to kill him.
but zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched moses' feet with it, and said, "truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!
it was then she said, "a bridegroom of blood by circumcision.



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by Dreamerdude 8 hours ago 4 Replies latest 4 hours ago   watchtower beliefs
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What's up with JW parents taking their minor children to such desolate places? Like the English family that took their little kids to the jungles of Ecuador, and the Australians that took their little ones to Norfolk Island where hardly anyone lives, and they are the only children in a congregation of 11 publishers? Is this a new form of child abuse?
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Dreamerdude 7 hours ago
Tony has an interesting way of bragging about his two Bethelite sons, that he thinks make him look good. He can probably guarantee employment for them while he's alive, even with Bethel cutbacks. He can make them look good to their Bethel heavy bosses.
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Daniel1555
Daniel1555 4 hours ago

I don't get it.
Why do you talk about desolate places?
Norfolk Island is not a desolate place. It's a beautiful and interesting island and anything but child abuse to live there when there are about 2300 inhabitants.
The same with the rain forest in Equador.
Or is it better to live in a crime infested mega city? Is that child abuse too?
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TheOldHippie 4 hours ago
When other people take their children with them to spend a year sailing around the world, live for some years among highland people of the Andes, live in China to broaden their view - it is regarded an excellent thing and lots of other people sigh, thinking/saying "why didn't WE do that"? Why is it a bad thing in Your eyes? We often have planned or thought of setting off and living somewhere else for months/years, but never have gotten as far as really doing it. Wish it were me, wish it were my parents.
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Daniel1555
Daniel1555 4 hours ago

Tony talks about Satans diabolical attacks to destroy families.
Who is destroying families?
Doesn't the last Watchtower Study article about shunning family members diabolically destroy families if it is applied?
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please post some comments on this news-site!

it's not a bad piece of journalism, but there are definitely some gaps that need to be filled.

the pro-jw apologists have already started posting on it!

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what's up with jw parents taking their minor children to such desolate places?

like the english family that took their little kids to the jungles of ecuador, and the australians that took their little ones to norfolk island where hardly anyone lives, and they are the only children in a congregation of 11 publishers?

is this a new form of child abuse?

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on the way, at a place where they spent the night, the lord met him and tried to kill him.

but zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched moses' feet with it, and said, "truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!

it was then she said, "a bridegroom of blood by circumcision.

Daniel1555
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i assume they get most of it from cash donations and assets left in wills.

there may also be some income from invested assets.

i guess they get a lot of money from old jws who die childless or with only df'd kids.geographically i assume they get it mostly from a few countries that have many publishers and strong economies.

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