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Why did Jehovah want to kill Moses?
by Doug Mason 15 hours ago 12 Replies latest 9 minutes ago   watchtower bible
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Doug Mason 15 hours ago

On the way, at a place where they spent the night, the LORD met him and tried to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched Moses' feet with it, and said, "Truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!" So he let him alone. It was then she said, "A bridegroom of blood by circumcision." (Exodus 4:24-26, NRSV)
At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.) (NIV)
 As Moses and his family were traveling along and had stopped for the night, Jehovah appeared to Moses and threatened to kill him. Then Zipporah his wife took a flint knife and cut off the foreskin of her young son’s penis, and threw it against Moses’ feet, remarking disgustedly, “What a blood-smeared husband you’ve turned out to be!”
Then God left him alone. (TLB)
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sowhatnow
sowhatnow 15 hours ago
lol, well, Im sure there's a lot missing in that story..... there has to be! [I wonder, has that been passed over in the weekly bible reading, lol ]

 
DATA-DOG
DATA-DOG 15 hours ago

OMG! This must be one of those scriptures the WTBTS ignored when I was growing up.
DD
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James Mixon
James Mixon 14 hours ago

It's so weird in the OT, what's the fascination with the foreskin?? Remember David
collected 200 of them.
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Scully
Scully 14 hours ago

It was because Moses broke the Abrahamic covenant - the one that required males to be circumcised on the 8th day of life - by (1) marrying outside the tribes and (2) allowing his wife, Zipporah, to carry on with her family traditions, which did not, apparently, include circumcision of the male children.
PS - I inquired about this scripture to one of the Elders™ when I was 14 or 15. His answer? "Why don't you do some research and tell me what you find." I guess he didn't know how to say "I really don't know."




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freemindfade
freemindfade 12 hours ago
The beat part is how moses wrote about his death (after he died) and said how he (himself) was the meekest man ever. Lol silly bible, go home you're drunk.
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James Mixon
James Mixon 12 hours ago

The true story: Damn't Moses you have been moping around for days crying
like a baby, my son is not circumcised God is going to kill me. Grow some balls man.
Zipporah threw something in Moses face. Moses jumps and ask , what the hell is this?
Zipporah: it's your son's little foreskin you jerk.
Moses: are you nuts can my son walk, can he wee wee?
Hell woman I will sleep with one eye open for now on, you are one crazy woman,
they told me not to marry your crazy ass.
Don't you think that makes a better read???
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garyneal
garyneal 12 hours ago
https://youtu.be/ZyFM0_AhIYA?t=6m35s
 
Lieu
Lieu 12 hours ago

'Cause he was getting on God's last nerve.☺
The first part when he runs from the staff turned snake is hilarious.
I can just imagine it ...'What the???? Bye!' I'm out.
 
Daniel1555
Daniel1555 7 hours ago

There are a few bible verses that are too crazy to find normal explanations. They are even too crazy for Watchtower, so they ignore them. That's one of those.
In all the years growing up in JW land, this vers was never discussed.
Because it shows that biblical Jehovah is a psycho.
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by Doug Mason 15 hours ago 12 Replies latest 10 minutes ago   watchtower bible
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Half banana
Half banana 6 hours ago
Note the stone age knife being used betraying the story's stone age mentality.
 
TheOldHippie
TheOldHippie 4 hours ago

Not quite ignored, it is quoted in Insight, saying
Scholars have offered many interpretations of this passage, some of these being incorporated into modern Bible translations. (See CC, JB, Kx, La, NE, RS, as well as the German Zürcher Bibel, the Spanish Bover-Cantera and the French Crampon, Lienart, and Segond versions.) Such interpretations attempt to settle questions as to whether it was Moses’ or the child’s life that was threatened, whether Zipporah touched the feet of Moses or the feet of the child or the feet of the angel with the foreskin. They also venture opinions as to why Zipporah said (and to whom she said), “You are a bridegroom of blood to me.”
It seems that it was the child’s life that was in danger in view of what the law of circumcision states at Genesis 17:14; that Zipporah circumcised the child because she realized what was needed to set matters right; that she cast the foreskin at the feet of the angel who was threatening the child’s life to demonstrate her compliance with Jehovah’s law; that Zipporah addressed Jehovah through his representative angel when she exclaimed, “You are a bridegroom of blood to me,” doing so to show her acceptance of a wifely position in the circumcision covenant with Jehovah as the husband.—See Jer 31:32.
But there is no way of Scripturally settling such questions with certainty. The literal reading of the ancient Hebrew in this passage is veiled in the idioms used nearly 3,500 years ago. This is why literal translations (NW, Ro, Yg) and others (AS, KJ, Da, Dy, JP, Mo, Le), including the ancient Greek Septuagint, are not clear on these matters.
 
Room 215
Room 215 10 minutes ago
Old Hippie, that's about as much as can be reasonably said about this very arcane passage.... 3,500 year-old Hebrew idioms indeed.
 

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on the way, at a place where they spent the night, the lord met him and tried to kill him.
but zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched moses' feet with it, and said, "truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!
it was then she said, "a bridegroom of blood by circumcision.



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by Dreamerdude 11 hours ago 6 Replies latest 18 minutes ago   watchtower beliefs
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What's up with JW parents taking their minor children to such desolate places? Like the English family that took their little kids to the jungles of Ecuador, and the Australians that took their little ones to Norfolk Island where hardly anyone lives, and they are the only children in a congregation of 11 publishers? Is this a new form of child abuse?
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Dreamerdude 10 hours ago
Tony has an interesting way of bragging about his two Bethelite sons, that he thinks make him look good. He can probably guarantee employment for them while he's alive, even with Bethel cutbacks. He can make them look good to their Bethel heavy bosses.
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Daniel1555
Daniel1555 7 hours ago

I don't get it.
Why do you talk about desolate places?
Norfolk Island is not a desolate place. It's a beautiful and interesting island and anything but child abuse to live there when there are about 2300 inhabitants.
The same with the rain forest in Equador.
Or is it better to live in a crime infested mega city? Is that child abuse too?
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TheOldHippie
TheOldHippie 7 hours ago
When other people take their children with them to spend a year sailing around the world, live for some years among highland people of the Andes, live in China to broaden their view - it is regarded an excellent thing and lots of other people sigh, thinking/saying "why didn't WE do that"? Why is it a bad thing in Your eyes? We often have planned or thought of setting off and living somewhere else for months/years, but never have gotten as far as really doing it. Wish it were me, wish it were my parents.
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Daniel1555
Daniel1555 7 hours ago

Tony talks about Satans diabolical attacks to destroy families.
Who is destroying families?
Doesn't the last Watchtower Study article about shunning family members diabolically destroy families if it is applied?
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WTWizard
WTWizard an hour ago

I wasted the electricity to watch that video, and it was terrible. Most of it was so forgettable that I would view it a total waste. So joke-hova cares about the blind--that is, enslaving them. Big deal. That thing wants us all enslaved.
And yes, that thing hogs massive amounts of computer resources. Even worse than regular YouTube.

 
SafeAtHome
SafeAtHome 18 minutes ago
I think I can understand what dreamerdude means. A member of my extended family recently went to Ecuador with two young children to do whatever something free for the borg. This wasnt a comfortable vacation on a sailboat with sunshine and fishing all day. This was in a very poor area. These kids are isolated, home schooled, and exposed to illness and disease they wouldn't be at home. They were out of touch during the recent earthquake. I guess the "great" learning experience would be there's no place like home?
 

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by Sugar Shane 3 hours ago 4 Replies latest 2 hours ago   watchtower beliefs
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Sugar Shane 3 hours ago

PLEASE post some comments on this news-site! It's not a bad piece of journalism, but there are definitely some gaps that need to be filled.
The pro-JW apologists have already started posting on it! Here's the link: http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/christianity/the-jehovahs-witnessess-religion-and-how-they-differ-from-other-christians
 
Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 3 hours ago

The article seems very unbiased. I'm satisfied with the info.
DY
 
carla
carla 2 hours ago

They believe Jesus Christ is the key to salvation? really? since when?
I remember some quotes from the wt's that state being a jw is the key to having any hope (no guarantee) of salvation.
I have heard of comment made by jw's that snear at the mere thought of Jesus. They might give lip service and say He is their 'king' but in the end they really don't give Him much thought. More reverence is given to the gb and the org at large.

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carla
carla 2 hours ago

I forgot to add that the article completely left out the shunning, jc's, blood, pedophilia, no voting, no YMCA, etc....
Last Sunday's wt about shunning would be perfect to educate the public about the reality of jw's.

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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 2 hours ago

Carla,
Other 'Christian' faiths, no all of course, do have these same issues you mentioned; so, it's not just a JW thing.
The piece is very neutral. Liked it.
DY
 

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by Lostandfound 43 minutes ago 1 Replies latest 21 minutes ago   watchtower beliefs
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For decades I had a library of bound volumes to refer to. Is present method of publishing reference proof? Not easy to check some point by use of index, although Video material has no half life is it easier for WT to change tracks?
 
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Yeah, I think that's one thing they're really loving about the switch to everything being electronic. They can (and frequently do) change articles without providing any notice that a change was made. If you read much news online, you'll often note that at the top or bottom of the article it mentions some change that was made after its initial release, often something as minor as a single word altered. In the cult, they never do this even when completely removing sections or changing the meaning significantly. It's completely dishonest to omit noting when changes to the articles have been made.
 

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for decades i had a library of bound volumes to refer to.

is present method of publishing reference proof?

not easy to check some point by use of index, although video material has no half life is it easier for wt to change tracks?

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please post some comments on this news-site!

it's not a bad piece of journalism, but there are definitely some gaps that need to be filled.

the pro-jw apologists have already started posting on it!

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what's up with jw parents taking their minor children to such desolate places?

like the english family that took their little kids to the jungles of ecuador, and the australians that took their little ones to norfolk island where hardly anyone lives, and they are the only children in a congregation of 11 publishers?

is this a new form of child abuse?

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on the way, at a place where they spent the night, the lord met him and tried to kill him.

but zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched moses' feet with it, and said, "truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!

it was then she said, "a bridegroom of blood by circumcision.

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the extraordinarily high pollen count has finally done me in.

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there may also be some income from invested assets.

i guess they get a lot of money from old jws who die childless or with only df'd kids.geographically i assume they get it mostly from a few countries that have many publishers and strong economies.

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