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Beyond the Kingdom Hall.
by The Rebel 4 days ago 11 Replies latest 16 hours ago   jw friends
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The Rebel 4 days ago

The religious lessons themselfs are not missed, they were actually quite dull, and I realize I learnt nothing of value from them. Instead a quite evening at home playing with my boy is more endearing. Yes my life has moved on, I occassionaly see members of my former congregation in shopping centers, or they are putting the kids in to the back of the car and inside I believe most of them have bottled it, they prefer the comfort to the " truth" Who am I to expose the can of worms.
Many of course can blame parents or grandparents for having grown up as outcasts in school and I hope if they do leave like me they hold no resentment. Indoctrination is a terrible thing, and even false prophecy, Royal commissions, and proof that many of the elders in the congregation are complete and utter shits won't change that. This however no longer baffles me and I am content simply being indifferent to any arguments that are made to prompt my return.
I still bear some resentment to the G.B, and those that belong to the more prosperous positions simply because personally I believe most are leading a double life and are indifferent to the life's they are ruining. However such people exist in all organisations, which is why many organized minded people are attracted to organisation. Politics and business not only religion confirm this.
Now it is my first summer " beyond" the Kingdom Hall walls, and when I see a pub in the evening I will stop there and no longer rush home to prepare for a meeting. A Guinness in a pub has introduced me to some of life's most wonderful characters.
I do appreciate many here who have doubts have a lot to be slaughtered about if they leave. The personal "shit" is the part of the journey I won't judge. As for the factual stuff you must be aware of it, otherwise you wouldn't be here.
So I have started this O.P hoping others like me will have magnificent testimonies on how there life's have improved, however  I am sure many have struggled and sadly life may be pretty miserable. Both testimonies are equally appreciated. The important thing is it takes guts and courage to move on, and happy endings can't be guaranteed, but each posters testimony is of equal value and the " lucky bastards" like me I hope are not the few.
The Rebel.
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MarkofCane
MarkofCane 4 days ago

It has been a journey, a lonely journey since I put all my eggs in one basket. It has been a period of discovery; everything seems new, everything had been tainted and skewed in a unfavorable light. Its really like getting a second chance at life without the blinders. Even though the bOrg has caused so much damage, I try to stay positive for my kids sake who are watching me and for my own peace of mind. This next phase of my life I would like to volunteer some in a meaningful way.
I loved this image, nailed it.


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pbrow
pbrow 4 days ago

Hey Mark... that picture is awesome... do you know the name of the cartoon or of the picture?
pbrow
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Giordano
Giordano 4 days ago

We left some 50 years ago. Started a new career....... one not dedicated to the WTBT$. Raised our son in a JW free life style. Traveled through out the country making and selling our art in gallerias and participating in art Shows.
Worked at home our entire careers....loved working at home.
Retired to our small city of 7,000 (two colleges in town with one having concerts and theater often free of charge) walk to everything, talk to everyone, help our elderly neighbors when needed. Volunteer for 7 years for a foundation that is involved with historic preservation. Which in turn provides 12% of the employment in our area.
I now volunteer as coordinator of our local Studio Art Tour....... check us out at lexingtonrockbridgestudiotour.com
Being out has been the best years of our lives.
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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 4 days ago

Hurray Giordano.... sincerely.
Breaking free and victorious is quite a win in life.
DY
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MarkofCane
MarkofCane 3 days ago
Pbrow- Sorry don't know, found it and saved it.

 
bsmart
bsmart 3 days ago
I think Cofty posted the image about a week ago, very striking. Not sure where he found it. Bsmart
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cofty
cofty 3 days ago

I came across the image on the web and posted it here...
Sorry I don't know the origin. I thought it seems to say so much with such simplicity.
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pbrow
pbrow 2 days ago

Thanks fellas for posting it. As soon as I saw the picture it brought me immediately back to my "this is all bullshit" moment when I realized I would never bring my kids up in this cult.
Very powerful indeed.
pbrow
 
Vidiot
Vidiot 2 days ago
Picture's worth a thousand words.
 

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Heaven
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Wait until you go beyond Earth, beyond our solar system.
So far, we have discovered 12 other planets in the habitable zone of stars in the Universe. There are probably many, many more. If life has evolved on any one of these planets, how many of them do you think have Christians on them?

 
Vidiot
Vidiot 16 hours ago

Heaven - ".... If life has evolved on any one of these planets, how many of them do you think have Christians on them?"
None.
Glorfl'og the Esteemed died for their sins.
 

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Picture of Stephen Lett in 1976!
by Iamallcool 4 days ago 21 Replies latest 3 days ago   jw friends
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Iamallcool 4 days ago

https://macsdowell.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/1976-9-17-new-bethelites.jpg
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freddo
freddo 4 days ago
The years have not been kind ...
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Crazyguy
Crazyguy 4 days ago
If that pictures heading is acurate and Lett was new to Bethel in 1976 them he's a big fat liar. Wonder if there's a way to confirm when exactly he first went to Bethel? He said in a talk that he was at Bethel before 1975 and he was one of the few that was considered an apostate because he didn't think the end was coming in 1975.
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Lostandfound
Lostandfound 4 days ago

Crazyguy
he was one of the few that was considered an apostate because he didn't think the end was coming in 1975.
Not disfellowshipped then? But leads a sect that does DF now for even supposed apostasy. Hypocrite and blood guilty parasite.

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tiki
tiki 4 days ago
Just a nerd that found his nook.....
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punkofnice
punkofnice 4 days ago
Image result for dennis the menace
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MarkofCane
MarkofCane 4 days ago
Leader of a cult in the making.

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Gayle
Gayle 4 days ago
Steve Lett was at Bethel in '69 already. He was my Book Study Conductor in the Brooklyn Heights Cong. for 6 mos. while I was in "Primary." That picture doesn't look like him.
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neat blue dog
neat blue dog 4 days ago
I agree, not convinced of this picture. Anyway, regarding him not believing in 1975, is there any documentation for that, cause that would be huge.
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Crazyguy
Crazyguy 4 days ago
He said so in a talk he gave at a dc a few years ago. I think it was him. It was a GB member and when I asked a former high up ex bethleite he said it must he Lett. I wish I could remember for sure which GB member it was. 
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by Iamallcool 4 days ago 21 Replies latest 3 days ago   jw friends
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neat blue dog
neat blue dog 4 days ago
A few years ago? We need a recording of that, and there probably is one. That would be helpful to anyone expressing doubt on the generation teaching.
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LoveUniHateExams 4 days ago

He almost looks normal in that photo.
I take it that was before the aliens infested his body and mind. 
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Khaleesi
Khaleesi 3 days ago
I had heard from a longtime elder that the only brothers "allowed" to wear a mustache was limited to Latin/Hispanic brothers in the 70s-80s in the USA this elder is Caucasian & said they weren't permitted to have a mustache when he was growing up, they would not have privileges if they had one, has anyone heard of such thing?
 
jookbeard
jookbeard 3 days ago
not convinced its him at all, wonder who the other dudes are and if they are still in/awake?
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sparky1
sparky1 3 days ago
Khaleesi.........by the mid '70's the 'white Bethel boys' could have a moustache and sideburns to the bottom of our earlobes neatly trimmed. In fact, I had sideburns down to the bottom of my earlobes and Lon Schilling (The assistant Farm Overseer and now highly placed) had fairly bushy sideburns down to the bottom of his earlobes too! I never grew a moustache until I left Bethel and have had one for 39 years.
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Vidiot
Vidiot 3 days ago

Is it just me, or does anyone else think he looks a little... serial-killer-y?
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Vidiot
Vidiot 3 days ago

Fringe religion...
x
...giving nerds unprecedented power for centuries.
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SafeAtHome
SafeAtHome 3 days ago
Vidiot....yes, a ringer for Jeffrey Dahmer!😈
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sparky1
sparky1 3 days ago


I think you're on to something Vidiot and SafeAtHome!
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Barrold Bonds
Barrold Bonds 3 days ago

Khaleesi: Any brother can have a mustache. However, here's a fun fact: In the WT publications, you will NEVER ever ever ever ever see a white brother with any sort of mustache. Try it. Dig through any publications you have and try to find one. You can't
The only males with mustaches are non-whites. Hispanic, black, indian, middle-eastern etc. Anyone but a white dude
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I agree with jookbeard, it doesn't look like him at all.

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I agree with those that say it doesn't look like him.
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Today's Text - Draw Close To God... (BUT HOW???)
by Divergent 5 days ago 19 Replies latest 4 days ago   jw friends
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Divergent 5 days ago

Here's where I stand at the moment: I neither categorize myself as a theist, atheist, or agnostic. I'm a freethinker and do not have a specific belief at the moment, UNLESS something comes along which is 100% conclusive & convincing
Which brings us to tackling the elephant in the room, something that today's text has failed to do:

Sunday, May 15
Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.—Jas. 4:8.
Jehovah showed his love for the human family by creating our beautiful earthly home. He still expresses his love for us by sustaining our life by means of his marvelous physical provisions. (Acts 17:28; Rev. 4:11) More important, Jehovah looks after our spiritual needs. (Luke 12:42) He also assures us that he personally listens as we pray to him. (1 John 5:14) However, the foremost way in which God draws us to himself and we are drawn to him is through the love he expresses by means of the ransom. (1 John 4:9, 10, 19) Jehovah sent his “only-begotten Son” to the earth so that we might be delivered from sin and death. (John 3:16) Jehovah has made it possible even for people who lived before the time of Christ to benefit from the ransom. From the moment Jehovah prophesied about a future Savior for mankind, the ransom was as good as paid from his viewpoint, for he knew that his purpose would not fail.—Gen. 3:15. w14 8/15 3:7, 8


I am a person who thrives on interaction. I am drawn to people who I can interact with easily & who are NOT distant + uncommunicative
Interaction is the MOST BASIC thing required to establish a strong friendship / relationship / bond. So the question is this: How the heck am I supposed to draw close to someone who DOES NOT interact with me???
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Anders Andersen
Anders Andersen 5 days ago

God does interact with you. You just have to listen! You're not trying hard enough!
And you got it all backwards: "for whoever approaches God must believe that he is"
So first you should start believing, then you can approach God, and then the voices in your head will take over
On a more serious note: yeah, normally friends communicate with each other. One person just talking to an invisible, unheard imaginary friend can not be called communication.
And a collection of ancient letters from that 'friend', written by 40 guys I don't know either, that doesn't help either. Just because there are books in the library doesn't mean I'm friends with all those writers...

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Divergent
Divergent 5 days ago

Anders Anderson:

God does interact with you. You just have to listen! You're not trying hard enough!

And you got it all backwards: "for whoever approaches God must believe that he is"
So first you should start believing, then you can approach God, and then the voices in your head will take over
Oh... so THAT was what I was doing wrongly! LOL
Yeah, I DID believe... for more than 20 years as a born-in. As a JW, I never felt any genuine & true personal relationship with Jokehova. All the time, it was just me wanting to believe & convincing myself that it was real. Thanks for the brainwashing, mum & dad!


On a more serious note: yeah, normally friends communicate with each other. One person just talking to an invisible, unheard imaginary friend can not be called communication.
Exactly. Everything is totally ONE-SIDED & there is not a single shred of interaction. I remember quite a number of arguments saying that you can just simply pick any object or thing & pray to it & get the same results. LOL


And a collection of ancient letters from that 'friend', written by 40 guys I don't know either, that doesn't help either. Just because there are books in the library doesn't mean I'm friends with all those writers...
Yup. Not to say that those writings are OVERWHELMINGLY CONVINCING anyway! If the author of the Bible was REALLY God, I'm sure he could do better!
Result of reading the Bible: 40,000+ different Christian denominations. Great job, God!!!
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Spiral
Spiral 5 days ago

I realized after growing up "in" that when things went well people thought Jehovah was communicating with them. Well, doesn't everyone think that of their God?
I came to the conclusion that if there was a God who was both powerful enough and sophisticated enough to create the universe as we know it, he would be a better communicator. Supposedly, he can create planets and universes and creatures that love to communicate, but he can't even get his message straight to his followers. Then, he sends out confusing messages to them as a test to see if they can figure it out and "follow" him correctly.
That's just insanity. You can't "grow close" to that!
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Half banana
Half banana 5 days ago

Well said Spiral, a fumbling,casual, whimsical god who gives mixed messages and lives apparently with no tangible evidence for his existence. Worse still he claims to zap those who don't believe in him or misinterpret his message.
Truly I'm very glad there is no such thing as a god.
If there were... it would be hell on Earth if his Bible is anything to go by; being scrutinised for error, fearing punishment and lacking the freedom of humanity which has come through philosophical thinking, passing learning down the generations and democracy.
Thank goodness there is no god!
As a JW, I heard others talk about being so pleased that they had an intimate relationship with Big J, talking to him all the time and relying on him for everything...I felt deficient, just couldn't get the hang of it, I never felt close to a spirit Thing even as a pioneer. Yep it's insane!
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sowhatnow
sowhatnow 5 days ago
Get a number two pencil.

 
Divergent
Divergent 5 days ago

Spiral:

I realized after growing up "in" that when things went well people thought Jehovah was communicating with them. Well, doesn't everyone think that of their God?
I came to the conclusion that if there was a God who was both powerful enough and sophisticated enough to create the universe as we know it, he would be a better communicator. Supposedly, he can create planets and universes and creatures that love to communicate, but he can't even get his message straight to his followers. Then, he sends out confusing messages to them as a test to see if they can figure it out and "follow" him correctly.
That's just insanity. You can't "grow close" to that!
Spot on! I don't see the need for God to keep on testing us while NOT giving us enough proof & assurance of his existence, love, & care, then destroying at Armageddon any who fail the tests (which happen to be the majority of mankind who are unconvinced of God's unconvincing message - is it their fault???) while at the same time NOT desiring any to be destroyed!
Sounds insane? But yet that's what many believe!
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Divergent
Divergent 5 days ago

Half banana:
As a JW, I heard others talk about being so pleased that they had an intimate relationship with Big J, talking to him all the time and relying on him for everything...I felt deficient, just couldn't get the hang of it, I never felt close to a spirit Thing even as a pioneer. Yep it's insane!
You know what I realize about these ones? That they are just trying to convince themselves that they have a personal relationship with God & that everything that happens - good or bad - is due to God's will. Something good happens? A blessing from God! Something bad happens? God is not to blame (although he allows it!). God is thanked for good things that happen out of pure coincidence & not blamed for bad things which happen in the same way! JW's are trained not to give in to doubts & negative feelings, so EVERYTHING that happens automatically HAS to be right - even if it's not, they would find a way to justify it!
As.a JW, I was trained to look at only one side of the picture. Now that I see the other side, things are starting to make more sense!
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dothemath
dothemath 5 days ago

Maybe many people think they're worshipping God, but instead are worshipping Time. God has no beginning or end........but so does Time.
You look at a beautiful warerfall or canyon, appreciating a creator, but in reality it was eons of time.
Of course Time doesn't care about you, just as it didn't when 100,000+ people were wiped out in the tsunami.
I guess I must be an agnostic now, but I can't really know?
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Anders Andersen
Anders Andersen 5 days ago

Although it's not certain, it very well might be that Time started with the Big Bang. So possibly not even that 'God' existed before our universe existed.
Yeah. It's dizzying :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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Who,s god created the big bang, an anti god that had been around for longer than he can remember, he got bored and said, "This is not good, I will create a big bang and out of it will come a confusing god, that is a lesser god than I. So he created "I Am who I Am" and told hime that he had been from time indefinite...Hey, this would make a good book....
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Magnum 4 days ago

Here's where I stand at the moment: I neither categorize myself as a theist, atheist, or agnostic. I'm a freethinker and do not have a specific belief at the moment, UNLESS something comes along which is 100% conclusive & convincing
That's where I stand, too.
I agree about the lack of interaction. Supposedly God used to perform miracles. Why'd he stop? It's not fair. The Hebrews got the parting of the Red Sea; we get Stephen Lett.
I don't know how to draw close to God. I used to think that one could do so by supporting JWdom, being zealous in the ministry, etc.,but then I found TTATT.
I still go out and look up at the starry sky and beg for answers, for some kind of interaction, for some kind of sign... and I get nothing but complete silence, or the sound of crickets if they're active. It's actually starting to anger me. Lately, I've been saying things like "What do you want? Here I am begging you for answers, and I'm willing to sacrifice and suffer to serve you, but you hide yourself. Where are you??? Why won't you reveal yourself?" And I walk away frustrated as if I'm talking to air.
I've sometimes wondered whether one can draw close to God by learning about and appreciating and respecting the earth and the universe. I often find myself in awe of the physical world around me... but then I think about all the horror in nature and I get angry at any potential god when I observe it (the horror). The world has been filled with horrible suffering for millions of years. I've witnessed a lot of it myself. So I find it difficult to draw to close by observing the natural world.
 
Divergent
Divergent 4 days ago

Magnum:
I agree about the lack of interaction. Supposedly God used to perform miracles. Why'd he stop? It's not fair. The Hebrews got the parting of the Red Sea; we get Stephen Lett.
Exactly. What's the point of going from door to door with an unconvincing message that people don't bother listening to? If God REALLY wanted people to listen & didn't desire any to be destroyed, wouldn't it make more sense for him to grant his witnesses the ability to perform convincing miracles that people CANNOT deny?
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Anders Andersen
Anders Andersen 4 days ago

And I walk away frustrated as if I'm talking to air.
Well....that's because you are talking to air.
The Biblical God doesn't make sense on so many levels, it's quite ridiculous to think it exists. And since that flavor is the most spread flavor of God, I tend to assume that if there were a God, this would be it. So my conclusion is: none exist.
BTW isn't it strange that before some Roman emperor made Christianity the state religion, most people on earth worshipped all kinds of true God's, and never heard about Jehovah? Only a small country of shepherds worshipped that one. Doesn't make much of an impression.
Especially because those shepherds at times also worshipped other Gods they thought were equally real as Jehovah. Can you imagine seeing all the supposed miracles by Jehovah, and then go worship a wooden idol? Of course not! So either the miracles never happened, or it wasn't clear Jehovah performed them, or the miracles attributed to the other God's were just as convincing.
For me it was an eye-opening moment to realize that to the Israelites, 'false' gods were just as real as Jehovah.
And they are just as real, as none of them actually exists as a living being....
 
punkofnice
punkofnice 4 days ago

It amused me when someone said that Jar Hoover had shown them that a certain course of action was the right one. Then someone else would say that they didn't agree.
Thanks for making that clear, Jar Hoover!
If I talk into thin air and no one answers, it's pretty obvious there's no one there.
I challenge god to answer my prayer in a tangible way to prove I'm not praying to the wrong deity.
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Fernando
Fernando 4 days ago

Two things are working for me on my journey:
turning my back on religion, and pursuing the scandalously liberating gospel of grace instead.
The real reason the Watchtower desperately feared Ray Franz and had him killed (aka DFd).
www.escapetoreality.org

 
Heaven
Heaven 4 days ago

Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." – KJV

Proverbs 3:11-12: “The Lord punishes everyone He loves. He whips every … [person] He receives.” – NLV.
Matthew 10:35: “For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—“ (NIV)
I have zero interest in any god who does this crap. 
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Divergent
Divergent 4 days ago

punkofnice:
I challenge god to answer my prayer in a tangible way to prove I'm not praying to the wrong deity.
I made that same challenge too before I faded. Nothing happened!


Heaven:

Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." – KJV
Proverbs 3:11-12: “The Lord punishes everyone He loves. He whips every … [person] He receives.” – NLV.
Matthew 10:35: “For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—“ (NIV)
I have zero interest in any god who does this crap.
Me too! One thing I've learned to do is to stop trying to justify things which cannot be justified & stop making excuses for God!
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punkofnice
punkofnice 4 days ago

Heaven - Proverbs 3:11-12: “The Lord punishes everyone He loves. He whips every … [person] He receives.” – NLV.
Sounds like my idea of fun, not religion.
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Spiral
Spiral 4 days ago

Heaven, I am with you. Interesting how the JW bible muddies up that scripture in Proverbs a bit, so it doesn't sound so drastic.
Funny how so many human belief systems start with humans being "sinful" and then having to spend their whole lives being " whipped" and "chastised" to be acceptable to God. You get your reward later, much later, maybe. Feeling the love, aren't we?
Again, just insanity.

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ILoveTTATT2 5 days ago
"Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the 'last days' began. ... Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of 'this generation' nearly 70 years old today." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13
My friends, effective May 12, 2016, this WT prophecy is officially false.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susannah_Mushatt_Jones
Susannah Mushatt Jones passed away on May 12th. She was the last living person that was born before July 28, 1899, exactly 15 years before the beginning of WWI on July 28, 1914.

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Anders Andersen
Anders Andersen 5 days ago

Nice find.
Some more will follow as the age requirement to be included in the 1914 generation was lowered a couple of times afaik.
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ILoveTTATT2
ILoveTTATT2 5 days ago
Yes... I believe they lowered it to "10 years or less", then "5 years or less", then "born in 1914".
I have studied the average maximum lifespan of the verified oldest people and it increases about 1 year every decade, so we will have to wait 6 years for the next, 12 years for the next, and 17 or so more years until the "born in 1914" people all pass away.
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prologos
prologos 5 days ago
Did  wt not also declare these old prophecies to be intrinsically false when they introduced the "anointed" and then the underlapping overlapping groups anointed generation? without waiting for the supercentenarians to actually appear in the obituaries, thereby sealing the false! label, as pointed out in ILoveTTATT2's  OP?
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talesin
talesin 5 days ago

Even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914
Not to mention that they baptize children much younger. My own father was baptized at the age of 12, and that was in the 1940s.
They have contradicted themselves so many times over the past 100 years, it's enough to make your head swim trying to keep track!
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Ding
Ding 5 days ago

That Awake article was published during the 1975 fervor.
After Armageddon failed to arrive on schedule, I think they dropped it from 15 to 10 years of age to buy themselves a few more years.
When that didn't work, it became anyone born before or during 1914.
Now it's anointed whose lives overlap with anointed who were alive in 1914 or some such thing that no one understands.
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 5 days ago

1914 in itself was the most fraudulent doctrine that the WTS. publishing house created and held onto for over 100 years, and used that year as a base from all other preceding end times doctrines .

The WTS/JWS were not faithfully loyal and obedient to God or Jesus in that Jesus admonished his true faithful followers to not make a time on god's own sacred time, as mentioned in scripture.

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hoser
hoser 5 days ago
The generation teaching ultimately was a tool to fear monger the sheeples into compliance.
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ILoveTTATT2
ILoveTTATT2 5 days ago
There are only 51 people that fit the "10 years or older" case as of today.

Rank
Name
Sex
Birth date
Age as of 15 May 2016
Place of residence

1 Emma Morano[5] F 29 November 1899 116 years, 168 days Italy
2 Violet Brown[5] F 10 March 1900 116 years, 66 days Jamaica[a]
3 Nabi Tajima[5] F 4 August 1900 115 years, 285 days Japan
4 Chiyo Miyako[5] F 2 May 1901 115 years, 13 days Japan
5 Eudoxie Baboul[5] F 1 October 1901 114 years, 227 days France (French Guiana)
6 Ana Vela-Rubio[5] F 29 October 1901 114 years, 199 days Spain
7 Mitsue Toyoda[5] F 15 February 1902 114 years, 90 days Japan
8 Marie-Josephine Gaudette[5] F 25 March 1902 114 years, 51 days Italy[b]
9 Yukie Hino[5] F 17 April 1902 114 years, 28 days Japan
10 Giuseppina Projetto[5] F 30 May 1902 113 years, 351 days Italy
11 Goldie Michelson[5] F 8 August 1902 113 years, 281 days United States[c]
12 Adele Dunlap[5] F 12 December 1902 113 years, 155 days United States
13 Kane Tanaka[5] F 2 January 1903 113 years, 134 days Japan
14 Gladys Hooper[5] F 18 January 1903 113 years, 118 days United Kingdom
15 Maria-Giuseppa Robucci[5] F 20 March 1903 113 years, 56 days Italy
16 Iso Nakamura[5] F 23 April 1903 113 years, 22 days Japan
17 Meta Dishman[5] F 1 June 1903 112 years, 349 days United States
18 Élisabeth Collot[5] F 21 June 1903 112 years, 329 days France
19 Alida Victória Grubba Rudge[5] F 10 July 1903 112 years, 310 days Brazil
20 Tae Ito[5] F 11 July 1903 112 years, 309 days Japan
21 Viola Jacobi[5] F 25 July 1903 112 years, 295 days United States
Shizue Nagata[5] F 25 July 1903 112 years, 295 days Japan
23 Honorine Rondello[5] F 28 July 1903 112 years, 292 days France
24 Delphine Gibson[5] F 17 August 1903 112 years, 272 days United States
25 Ila Jones[5] F 21 August 1903 112 years, 268 days United States
26 Hatsuno Goto[5] F 1 September 1903 112 years, 257 days Japan
27 Yisrael Kristal[5] M 15 September 1903 112 years, 243 days Israel[d]
28 Tane Shimada[5] F 25 September 1903 112 years, 233 days Japan
29 Henriette Boeuf[5] F 4 November 1903 112 years, 193 days France
30 Florence Boggs[5] F 16 November 1903 112 years, 181 days United States
31 Feli Noi[6] F 5 December 1903 112 years, 162 days Suriname
32 Tameko Shijo[5] F 1 January 1904 112 years, 135 days United States[e]
33 Anonymous[5] F 12 January 1904 112 years, 124 days Japan
34 Mumeno Sakurai[5] F 7 February 1904 112 years, 98 days Japan
35 Kuma Kobayashi[5] F 8 February 1904 112 years, 97 days Japan
36 Lucile Randon[7] F 11 February 1904 112 years, 94 days France
37 Ambrosia Acosta Terán[5] F 21 February 1904 112 years, 84 days Mexico
38 Luzia Mohrs[5] F 23 March 1904 112 years, 53 days Brazil[f]
39 Tomoe Iwata[5] F 25 March 1904 112 years, 51 days Japan
40 Shin Matsushita[5] F 30 March 1904 112 years, 46 days Japan
41 Nugi Ikeda[5] F 1 April 1904 112 years, 44 days Japan
Yoshiyo Bessho[5] F 1 April 1904 112 years, 44 days Japan
43 Bienvenida Vergara Jaen de Cano[5] F 6 April 1904 112 years, 39 days Panama
44 Tsuya Hayashi[5] F 26 April 1904 112 years, 19 days Japan
45 Tane Yonekura[5] F 2 May 1904 112 years, 13 days Japan
46 Virginia Moyano[5] F 17 May 1904 111 years, 364 days Argentina
47 Mumeno Shirai[5] F 19 May 1904 111 years, 362 days Japan
48 Vera Van Wagner[5] F 24 May 1904 111 years, 357 days United States
49 Masamitsu Yoshida[5] M 30 May 1904 111 years, 351 days Japan
50 Katsue Hiraishi[5] F 9 June 1904 111 years, 341 days Japan
51 Ana Sara Marquez de Ramirez[5] F 25 July 1904 111 years, 295 days Colombia
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Lieu
Lieu 5 days ago

Whomever is a part of the "generation" has to see everything occur, not just some of it.
From my perspective, none of those folks are a part of the "generation" spoken of. And 1914 is plain silly, invisible presence .... pffft!
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Xanthippe
Xanthippe 5 days ago
Wow it's true what they say about the Japanese diet then. I must eat more fish.
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ZAPPA-ESQUE
ZAPPA-ESQUE 5 days ago

Of course those stats [ thank you so much for the research! ] are now of now consequence anyway as that teaching [Truth ] is no longer Truth !
Why does this sort of stuff make me rancidly angry and aggressive ? MMMMMmmmmm I wonder -

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prologos
prologos 5 days ago

Lieu: "Whomever is a part of the "generation" has to see everything occur, not just some of it.
Zappa-Esque:  "Of course those stats [ thank you so much for the research! ] are now of now consequence anyway as that teaching [Truth ] is no longer Truth !
The anointed generation could never see everything occurring, according to new [Truth], even with overlap.
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stillin
stillin 5 days ago
Life was way different back at the turn of the 20th century. Nothing about those peoples' lives could be described as "contemporary" with ours. Overlapping generations, my butt.
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Heaven
Heaven 5 days ago

My Mom's parents were born in the early 1890s. They are dead. All of my family born on or before 1914 have died. So have all of these people:


Time is the enemy of all false prophecy.

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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 5 days ago

I wonder when the WTS will come outright and honestly say the organization misinterpreted what was complied concerning 1914 ???
Hundreds of other Christian based faiths never said a word about 1914 as a significant year to all Christians.
Maybe they were right in doing so ?
So the question remains who were the commercialized false prophets and false teachers ?
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Lieu
Lieu 5 days ago

They all died without seeing a thing occur. Therefore, WTBTS has it wrong IMHO; those folks are not "THE this generation".
And that means 1914 is as meaningless a date as 1874, 1975, and 2016.
Of course, it would be silly for Bible believers to insist that God would be on man's timetable. (A 365 day Mayan one at that.) Those wild n crazy 1800's 'Mercans.
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"jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the 'last days' began.

... even if we presume that youngsters 15 years of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of 'this generation' nearly 70 years old today.

" awake!

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i'm wondering at how far the borg could go in begging for money?

their halls are already resembling the"money changers in the temple".

as they get sued more and more due to their pedophilic paradise their coffers will be ever more drained.

aboveusonlysky
millie210
LisaRose
a day ago
stuckinarut2
24
The smug arrogance of "having the truth".
by stuckinarut2 in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Personal Experiences & Reunions
 2 days ago
has anyone noticed that witnesses (from the top down) seem to have a quiet form of smug arrogance toward all non witnesses?.

perhaps it comes from being told how "special and unique" they are but they end up looking down on all normal members of the community because they are not witnesses.. so any form of "love" they show those in the territory is also limited as long as they accept the message...otherwise they are viewed contemptuously as "worldly" and therefore of little value...after all,they will be destroyed right?.

skin
stuckinarut2
NeverKnew
12 hours ago
karter
44
What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?
by karter in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 2 days ago
finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

ToesUp
Heaven
doofdaddy
6 hours ago
COLLINS
1
Network Marketing or Multi-Level Marketing
by COLLINS in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 2 days ago
i have read all your comments on my threads regarding my decision to join any network marketing or multi-level marketing.

please i need as many replies from everyone on the board regarding my decision to join any network marketing or multi-level marketing.

are all network marketing bad?

Simon
2 days ago
compound complex
20
Courtesy Towards Senior Bicyclists, or First Time Riding in 45 Years!
by compound complex in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 3 days ago
greetings, fellow posters:.

i bought a nearly new 7-speed bicycle at a yard sale for $30 last weekend and took it out this morning on our paved local bicycle/walking trail.

the last time i rode was in my early- to mid- twenties when i used a bicycle to get to and from the kh for my pioneer service.

Village Idiot
compound complex
LV101
a day ago
turtleturtle
146
Maybe I'm Just Ignorant About the New "Anti-Gay" Video
by turtleturtle in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 3 days ago
homophobia (m-w.com):.

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

can someone tell me, specifically, was homophobic about the new "anti-gay" wt video.

cofty
Simon
steve2
a day ago
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COLLINS
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STORY OF MY LIFE
by COLLINS in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Personal Experiences & Reunions
 14 hours ago
hi my friends on the board i have decided to write a story of my life after all my various questions that i have been asking all this while.

you are really true friends because you always provide all the answers to my questions which i really appreciate.

this is my story.. i was born in the year 1997 on the 13th of november.

snowbird
respectful_observer
OnTheWayOut
7 hours ago
The Rebel
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Who is your " I am" that your voice should be heard?
by The Rebel in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 a day ago
i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

SAHS
Lieu
millie210
7 hours ago
Lostandfound
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Seen on facebook
by Lostandfound in Jehovah's Witnesses
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 a day ago
skin
Lostandfound
Doubtfully Yours
18 hours ago
stuckinarut2
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"Can we question leadership?" Check out the Morman answer....
by stuckinarut2 in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 a day ago http://stakepresident.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/can-members-question-church-doctrine.html.

how interesting!

see a similarity?.

xjwsrock
James Mixon
xjwsrock
2 hours ago
snowbird
33
Hey, Y'all
by snowbird in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 2 days ago
how is everybody doing?.

it's been 8 months since i've been here.. so many newbies!.

lol.. sylvia.

snowbird
JWdaughter
snowbird
8 hours ago
purrpurr
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Could they make not donating a disfellowshipping offence?
by purrpurr in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 2 days ago
i'm wondering at how far the borg could go in begging for money?

their halls are already resembling the"money changers in the temple".

as they get sued more and more due to their pedophilic paradise their coffers will be ever more drained.

aboveusonlysky
millie210
LisaRose
a day ago
stuckinarut2
24
The smug arrogance of "having the truth".
by stuckinarut2 in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Personal Experiences & Reunions
 2 days ago
has anyone noticed that witnesses (from the top down) seem to have a quiet form of smug arrogance toward all non witnesses?.

perhaps it comes from being told how "special and unique" they are but they end up looking down on all normal members of the community because they are not witnesses.. so any form of "love" they show those in the territory is also limited as long as they accept the message...otherwise they are viewed contemptuously as "worldly" and therefore of little value...after all,they will be destroyed right?.

skin
stuckinarut2
NeverKnew
12 hours ago
karter
44
What were you never going to do in "This system" But did it?
by karter in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 2 days ago
finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

ToesUp
Heaven
doofdaddy
6 hours ago
COLLINS
1
Network Marketing or Multi-Level Marketing
by COLLINS in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 2 days ago
i have read all your comments on my threads regarding my decision to join any network marketing or multi-level marketing.

please i need as many replies from everyone on the board regarding my decision to join any network marketing or multi-level marketing.

are all network marketing bad?

Simon
2 days ago
compound complex
20
Courtesy Towards Senior Bicyclists, or First Time Riding in 45 Years!
by compound complex in Jehovah's Witnesses
 » Friends
 3 days ago
greetings, fellow posters:.

i bought a nearly new 7-speed bicycle at a yard sale for $30 last weekend and took it out this morning on our paved local bicycle/walking trail.

the last time i rode was in my early- to mid- twenties when i used a bicycle to get to and from the kh for my pioneer service.

Village Idiot
compound complex
LV101
a day ago
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