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"Can we question leadership?" Check out the Morman answer....
by stuckinarut2 a day ago 12 Replies latest 2 hours ago   jw friends
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stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 a day ago

http://stakepresident.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/can-members-question-church-doctrine.html
How interesting! See a similarity?
Don't question the leaders or doctrine, because they are obviously correct...
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SafeAtHome
SafeAtHome a day ago
Holy Crap, not only did he get the evil notion to question anything from higher education....but....the answer, of course which is you do NOT question doctrine came from the doctrines own writing! Heck yes I see a similarity!😝 A cult by any other name.......
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rebelfighter
rebelfighter  a day ago
Did you read any of the comments?
 
sparrowdown
sparrowdown a day ago

If by "question" you mean critically then I can't think of many situations where you can question critically anyone who has some kind of power over you. The only way around that, if you really want to be heard, is to go to the person that has power over them.
And therein lies the problem. Religions have a free pass in many ways like discrimination for eg because God is their boss and only the highest ranking in the group have access to that boss - kinda sucks doesn't it.
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sparky1
sparky1 a day ago


The men that govern the Mormon Church and the Governing Body(tm) of Jehovah's Witnesses............... BLOOD BROTHERS!
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oppostate
oppostate a day ago

Cults of a feather fly together
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2+2=5
2+2=5 a day ago
The comments on that link are creepy to say the least. Entirely effed up is probably more accurate.
 
joey jojo
joey jojo a day ago

Was having an amiable business meeting with a mormon recently and he was telling me how they don't drink alcohol.
I mentioned that the first miracle performed by jesus was turning water into wine.
He told me that it was his understanding that the wine mentioned in this case was 'pure grape juice ' and not alcoholic.
Belief truly is the enemy of reason.
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James Mixon
James Mixon a day ago

joey jojo: "pure grape juice"? Greek word for wine is "oinos" the same greek word used in
Ephesians 5;18 "do not get drunk on pure grape juice". Ok that doesn't make sense to get drunk
on grape juice. Jesus made some kick ass, back wood, red mountain wine. If you are going to make
up a story, make it interesting. Turning water into grape juice is no big deal, you just drop a few grapes
in the vat.
Yes I agree "belief truly is the enemy of reason".
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Heaven 16 hours ago

The Mormon religion was founded by a fraudster. That's really all one needs to know. Runaway!
 
Question_Mans_interpretation
Question_Mans_interpretation 2 hours ago

Oh my god did u read some of the other blogs! He goes into a whole official transcript of the church regarding a couples adultery session making them confess every detail. What is it with cults and their obsession with sexual details.
. https://stakepresident.blogspot.com/2011/07/adultery-and-stake-disciplinary-council.html?m=1
 
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It's better not to question, it leads to too much thought.
 

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by COLLINS 12 hours ago 8 Replies latest 5 hours ago   jw experiences
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COLLINS 12 hours ago

Hi my friends on the board I have decided to write a story of my life after all my various questions that I have been asking all this while. You are really true friends because you always provide all the answers to my questions which I really appreciate. This is my story.
I was born in the year 1997 on the 13th of November. I am a born-in jw right from birth. I was baptized in the year 2008 on the 8th of March and I was judicially reproved in the same year I was baptized. In the year 2013 on the 1st day of July I was appointed to serve as a regular pioneer. I was awake in the year 2014. My mom is still a hardcore jw, but my father was disfellowshipped in the year 2015 on the 1st day of September though for adultery. He is not awake and I have tried every means to make him awake by showing him this forum but he has refused to be awake and he is still stuck in the cult, though he is not attending any cult meeting because of health reasons. I attend meetings once in a while. Thanks for reading.
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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 12 hours ago

Thanks. Welcome.
Get as well educated as possible.
Be well.
DY
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Giordano
Giordano 12 hours ago

 I was awake in the year 2014. Wow you can pack a lot of changes in one year!
What caused you to wake up?

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sir82
sir82 12 hours ago
I echo DY's advice: Get an education. Ignore the WT's hysterical foaming-at-the-mouth anti-education screeds. You will never regret it.

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sparky1
sparky1 12 hours ago


You are fortunate to have awoken at such a young and tender age. You have your whole life ahead of you. Enjoy the journey...........and I hope you continue to make wise, life affirming choices.
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tim3l0rd
tim3l0rd 12 hours ago
Show him jwfacts.com if he'll read it.
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snowbird
snowbird 11 hours ago

Education, education, education ...
Be well.
Sylvia

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respectful_observer
respectful_observer 9 hours ago

I was born in the year 1997 on the 13th of November. I am a born-in jw right from birth. I was baptized in the year 2008 on the 8th of March and I was judicially reproved in the same year I was baptized.
Apologies if I'm doing the math wrong, but you were baptized at 10 or 11 years old, and also judicially reproved at 11 years old?
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OnTheWayOut 5 hours ago

Thanks for the short version of your life (so far). Yeah, it looks like you were baptized young. Feel free to share more, many will read it. As many or as few details as you like.
My mom is hardcore JW, so is my wife and many in her family. Your dad, it sounds like there's hope but don't feel that you have to keep pushing him to see the light. You've shown him, and will have many opportunities to say your thoughts here and there. Good luck.
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STORY OF MY LIFE
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hi my friends on the board i have decided to write a story of my life after all my various questions that i have been asking all this while.

you are really true friends because you always provide all the answers to my questions which i really appreciate.

this is my story.. i was born in the year 1997 on the 13th of november.

snowbird
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i was recently thinking before i became " mike" i was an innocent baby, then as the days passed slowly by, i developed a sence of " iam".

as the days moved forward my body, slowly developed a a "sex organ" whilst my mind took on a sence of " emotional" and " intellectual" i am" .

this allowed me to become my current " i am?.

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"Can we question leadership?" Check out the Morman answer....
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 a day ago http://stakepresident.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/can-members-question-church-doctrine.html.

how interesting!

see a similarity?.

Heaven
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Hey, Y'all
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how is everybody doing?.

it's been 8 months since i've been here.. so many newbies!.

lol.. sylvia.

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i'm wondering at how far the borg could go in begging for money?

their halls are already resembling the"money changers in the temple".

as they get sued more and more due to their pedophilic paradise their coffers will be ever more drained.

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The smug arrogance of "having the truth".
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has anyone noticed that witnesses (from the top down) seem to have a quiet form of smug arrogance toward all non witnesses?.

perhaps it comes from being told how "special and unique" they are but they end up looking down on all normal members of the community because they are not witnesses.. so any form of "love" they show those in the territory is also limited as long as they accept the message...otherwise they are viewed contemptuously as "worldly" and therefore of little value...after all,they will be destroyed right?.

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finish school.. finish my apprenticeship (why are you doing that brother karter you will never finish it in this system).. buy a house.. pay the house off.. karter..

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i have read all your comments on my threads regarding my decision to join any network marketing or multi-level marketing.

please i need as many replies from everyone on the board regarding my decision to join any network marketing or multi-level marketing.

are all network marketing bad?

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greetings, fellow posters:.

i bought a nearly new 7-speed bicycle at a yard sale for $30 last weekend and took it out this morning on our paved local bicycle/walking trail.

the last time i rode was in my early- to mid- twenties when i used a bicycle to get to and from the kh for my pioneer service.

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by Designer Stubble 19 hours ago 13 Replies latest 9 hours ago   watchtower bible
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Now available on JW.ORG the RC 2016 releases (All downloadable movies, no Books)
For a Certainty God Made Him Lord and Christhttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=lrc&prefer=lang&srcid=share
Hope for what we do not seehttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=dns&prefer=lang&srcid=share
Oh Jehovah...I trust in youhttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=tiy&prefer=lang&srcid=share
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slimboyfat 19 hours ago
No books or brochures or anything? If so is this the first year with no print release ever?
 
ttdtt
ttdtt 18 hours ago

I am sure there will be released at the conventions - not online till then. They may be electronic books only though which would be a first.
The assemblies havent started yet.
 
tim3l0rd
tim3l0rd 16 hours ago
It wouldn't be the first time that they didn't release a book or brochure. It's been a while, but I remember several years ago that we had a convention with only 1 new brochure or maybe just a new video.
 
pixel
pixel 16 hours ago


Y'all liars...lol.
Pathetic question. On another note, They could had released all those crappy videos any day.
Printing is dead in JW land.
Watchtower E-Bible and Video Society of Transylvania.

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Naoscillator
Naoscillator 16 hours ago
I couldn't find these with any way but your link, even behind an "honesty test". How did you find them?
 
pixel
pixel 16 hours ago

Naoscillator,
Publications >> All the way to the bottom.

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Anders Andersen
Anders Andersen 15 hours ago

By the looks of the titles this more crap to create emotional responses that can suppress reasonable thinking.
Great. Thanks Bitchtower. There's people I love to wake up :frowning:
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Designer Stubble
Designer Stubble 15 hours ago
If I use the new SHARE option, can I count it as a placement?
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Naoscillator
Naoscillator 11 hours ago
Ah, found them. Thanks!
 

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Ugh. The hope for what we do not see video is going to be a trip. It opens with an ambulance taking a JW with a blood card to the hospital. Lovely!
So much for not doubling down on blood. I'll watch and see what this mess is about.

 
jookbeard
jookbeard 9 hours ago
thats very interesting the first RC without a printed release, I wonder if the future of the RC could be in doubt?
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sir82 9 hours ago

I wonder if the future of the RC could be in doubt?
Never. They are too much of a cash cow.
WTS rakes in $$$ millions of dollars of contributions at RCs every year with virtually no overhead, aside from facility rental (which, typically, are indoor sports arenas not in much demand in the summer).
My prediction: RCs will become 2-day events, but only be held at JW assembly halls. The drop in contributions (2 days vs. 3 days) will be offset by the lack of a rental cost.

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jookbeard 9 hours ago
Sir thats what I think, holding them in vast sports stadiums are a thing of the past because of the huge cost and safety requirements etc, indoor arenas must still be very expensive though, holding them in their own CA halls must be the way to go for them now.
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by Simon 13 hours ago 20 Replies latest 42 minutes ago   watchtower beliefs
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Simon 13 hours ago

I had a couple of JW sisters call at my door today.
They started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what I thought of that.
I said it sounded like a mix of Disney and dumb.
They then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?
I said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.
They thought man created death by disobeying so I questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them. Apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.
I asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in Tsunami's, disease and so on.
At this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).
When I suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if I studied the bible and theology.
Then I told them I was brought up as a JW so knew it was all crap.
Now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why I'd left (and I think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).
Not much time to say much before they cut and run so I told them I'd left because I found out it was all based on lies and that the WatchTower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.
Oh no, you're thinking of the Catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "Catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").
"Well, I challenge you to do a search for the Australian Royal Commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police."
"Oh no, we disfellowship people like that" (like that is sufficient punishment for the crime). Well, I said, you'll have no reason not to check it out if you think they are squeaky clean. The fact is they didn't report crimes and allowed people to abuse others and the WatchTower put its own image ahead of the welfare of small children.
And they were gone.
Hopefully they will do a search and may learn things are not as they are portrayed. Talking to people in a cult who think they have the truth is so incredibly frustrating.
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Angharad
Angharad 13 hours ago
Yay we are now probably on a list so won't get called on again
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dropoffyourkeylee
dropoffyourkeylee 13 hours ago
lol
 
keyser soze
keyser soze 13 hours ago

And they were gone.
Let me guess: They wanted to stay and talk with you longer, but they had people waiting in the car for them.
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carla
carla 13 hours ago

yep, your house probably has a big red x on it! good job!
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ToesUp
ToesUp 13 hours ago

Great job.
It's amazing how many of the uber dubs know nothing about what goes on in their own religion. Some that do know, just stick their heads in the sand. I believe those ones who know only stay in for the family and friends. Like they all say..."where else would we go?" Crazy!
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Simon
Simon 13 hours ago

One was keen to try and "defend" the WTS but simply claiming everything was untrue and lies (and they were not like those evil Catholics!!) and the other was tugging her sleeve and whispering "let's go, leave it".
I always think "that's it, they won't be back" but I don't think they are allowed to put you down as a DNC unless you specifically ask for it.
So in 6 months some new pair will appear and we'll get to play again.
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Dagney
Dagney 13 hours ago
Amazing isn't it? NO human connection to billions dying. Nada. Zilch.
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jookbeard
jookbeard 13 hours ago
a good anti witness, the amount of exposure the ARC has been getting recently can only lead to one thing, more haemorrhaging of members.The last couple of chats I've had about the ARC and the usual response that its all lies etc I tell them the victims are speaking out, are the victims lying?
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OUTLAW
OUTLAW 13 hours ago

Not much time to say much before they cut and run.....Simon
JW `s are the only people I know of..
Who knock on strangers doors to tell them..
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We`re Too Busy To Talk To You..
..................................BYE!......................................*WTF??!!*

......................Image result for jehovahs witness at door
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by Simon 13 hours ago 20 Replies latest 44 minutes ago   watchtower beliefs
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cofty 13 hours ago

Damn I wish they would call on me!
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prologos
prologos 12 hours ago

Satan: "-- if Russel banged 20 women, or if some pedophile was JW and they didn't call the police.  agreed, compared to the happenings in the "Residential" schools, the RC church, Rotherham, Cologne, these are minor matters, tragic for the wt victims though they are. That is why the wt keeps trotting out David all the time, a man according to god's (the 7 guardians of doctrine)'s heart.
The big issues are current and past prophecies, doctrines. procedures.
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redvip2000 11 hours ago

It is interesting to observe the level of ignorance these folks have. They literally know nothing aside from what is taught in the meetings. The Watchtower keeps them so busy with multiple meetings, preaching, studying for meetings, family study, etc, that they have no will to research or know anything else.
Also a complete disconnect with reality. Claiming the ARC story is false when there is overwhelming evidence including video of the testimonies, etc.
No wonder the watchtower would much rather have these folks stand next to a cart, like scarecrows, lest they be exposed to any probing questions, by calling on people at doors.

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Heaven
Heaven 8 hours ago

They must dread knocking on doors like yours Simon. Well done!

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LV101
LV101 8 hours ago

Simon that was great! Their heads must be spinning.
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steve2
steve2 7 hours ago

Well, those two lovely sisters did not see that coming!
I've got to also love the way they suddenly change gear once you provide an extra bit of information - but the changed gear adds nothing of substance to their reasoning. They simply extend the simple-minded narrative.
Best line:Your response to their initial question about what it would be like if death were no more:
"A mix of Disney and dumb". Ouch!
Talk about bluntly apt.
Now if only those two shaken sisters can compose themselves, ditch the fairy stories and do some serious thinking about what you said.
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problemaddict 2
problemaddict 2 7 hours ago

I feel like a punk. The Spanish always come to my door, and there is some adorable kid with them. So I just say no thank you like a good little householder.
Of course......I'm also trying not to be disfellowshipped.
Lol.

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Simon
Simon 5 hours ago

If there is a kid being dragged along then I talk to the adult but the message is for the child.
Something along the lines of "oh, I was brought up to believe all that, but life is better since I got an education, saw it for what it is and left. I didn't want to go on being trapped in a cult and have it ruin my life".
Basically: you can leave when you grow up.
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Alive!
Alive! 3 hours ago

Quite disturbing that the 'it's all lies' claim appears so many times - I WATCHED it LIVE - I heard the way the leaders tried to mislead the ARC representatives, under oath and in a court of law - there was very little that was open, candid or transparent in their demeanour and choice of phrasing - although I had already heard and detected 'manipulative' speech and underhanded phrasing through the literature, it really bowled me over to hear such words come from the actual GB member and of course senior Legal Personnel/Brothers from the Society.
I felt a little sad for the elders under question - they were absolutely out of their depth in the face of honest and forthright questioning.....so many 'oh my goodness' moments - I'm glad I had already 'seen' the light, if I had watched the ARC proceedings in state of absolute trust and faith in the organisation, I'd have had a breakdown.
Oh wait a minute - I DID have a breakdown, but that was a couple of years before the ARC rolled out. Sheesh. I was heartbroken.
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zeb
zeb an hour ago

"...is so incredibly frustrating.."
"Cast not your pearls unto swine lest they trample them under foot and turn and rend thee"
re Alive comments on the ARC. They have been well informed by many of the tricks the elders and the gb got up to trying to deceive.
 

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Well it's such a blessing that the holy spirit instructed them to come to your house while you were home so that . . . err, wait - nevermind.
They came to your door so that before you're destroyed you would have a chance to . . . err, wait - you'd already heard the message before.
The holy spirit guided them to your door so that . . .


 

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by keyser soze 13 hours ago 6 Replies latest 2 hours ago   watchtower beliefs
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keyser soze 13 hours ago

I ask, because a neighboring congregation of where I used to attend was dissolved, and the people from there were scattered about to whatever congregation was closest. But it turns out that they still meet at the old Kingdom hall a couple times a week, for field service. Apparently this is done for tax purposes.
I suppose from a fiscal standpoint it makes sense, though it seems a little deceitful. It does beg the question, though: Why dissolve the congregation in the first place?
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snowbird 12 hours ago

I don't have an answer, Keyzer.
Just want to say hi and good to see you.
Sylvia

 
tim3l0rd
tim3l0rd 12 hours ago
Maybe they have to meet there to keep it tax exempt? They could have dissolved for several reasons. They may not have had enough elders. They may have had an elder body that wasn't following directions. They may have had a large scandal among the elder body. If they couldn't source enough elders to replace them they would have to dissolve the congregation and send the publishers to other congregations. If they think they might recreate the congregation in the near future, it may be better to hold on to the hall instead of building a new one.
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keyser soze
keyser soze 11 hours ago

Just want to say hi and good to see you.
Good to see you too, snowbird. Long time no see!
 
keyser soze
keyser soze 11 hours ago

Maybe they have to meet there to keep it tax exempt?
That's exactly the reason they're doing it.
 If they think they might recreate the congregation in the near future, it may be better to hold on to the hall instead of building a new one.
I find it a little odd that it's been over a year, and the property, which is fully paid for, and deeded to the society, still hasn't been listed. It may well be for reasons other than financial, that they dissolved the congregation. But my sister and brother in law attended the congregation. He was an elder. I hadn't heard about anything negative going on. But then, I'm not always in the loop anymore.
 
millie210
millie210 5 hours ago

Is the real estate market down in your area?
It is recovering in some areas and still slow in others. Maybe they think they should sit on the property a while longer?
 
xjwsrock
xjwsrock 2 hours ago

I will say it certainly isn't normal. Something is up. Could be many things, though.
I hear the organization will keep secrets and lie to protect "Mother".
So good luck getting a straight answer.
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Perp Declared Dangerous Offender

http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcca/doc/2016/2016bcca127/2016bcca127.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHamVob3ZhaAAAAAAB&resultIndex=2
Dangerous Offender at Kingdom Hall (Imagine if the 13-year-old were going door-to-door with another child?)

December 19, 2011- the appellant received 60 days in custody for breach of his s. 810.1 recognizance after meeting with an adult Jehovah’s Witness and a 13 year old boy at the appellant’s apartment as well as subsequently having contact with children at a meeting at the local Kingdom Hall. There, he was seen paying particular attention to children over the course of two hours.

 

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What Now? 9 hours ago

Does anyone have a link or PDF copy of this?
I have a disfellowshipped friend who shares custody of her daughter with her witness ex-husband.
She is starting to have a lot of issues with the arrangement - her ex-husband and extended family (all witnesses) are constantly undermining her, bullying her daughter into changing her mind about certain decisions that they had already made together.
She is thinking that she may eventually have to go to court over it.
If anyone has this brochure it would be a big help, also if any of you have been in a similar situation, it would be helpful to gain some insight into what to expect.
thanks!
 
Designer Stubble
Designer Stubble 9 hours ago

http://jwchildcustody.com/files/cu_childcustody.pdf
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Anders Andersen 9 hours ago

http://www.mediafire.com/?fai2abvd6z7uvvs
That one?
 
berrygerry
berrygerry 7 hours ago

Which country is your friend in?
Be prepared for the biggest pack of lies to be headed your friend's way.

Also, have your friend read this Canadian case:
http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2016/2016bcsc56/2016bcsc56.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHamVob3ZhaAAAAAAB&resultIndex=6

 

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problemaddict 2 9 hours ago

I give it 3 thumbs down.
The video starts with an ambulance in Peru. the ambulance people look at an ID and a no blood card in Spanish.
Quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys. All good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities. The father walks with his own father. The older man says something about failing the mans brother. Its cryptic.
Grandpa picks up the kids from school one day, and there is an accident. the grandfather, and their youngest boy die.
The mans brother (clearly no longer a JW), misses the service and apologizes. But he comes out. After this, the father is laid off from work (after turning down a promotion because it would take him away from meetings), and then there is a tumor!
So now hes got debt, tumor, no kid, no dad, hes getting discouraged. His brother offers help, but says some snarky mess about him not being able to live in a prayer and fantasy world. He acknowledges his relationship with their father was strained because he didn't want to be a JW.
The guys tumor comes back. While he looks fine and seems good throughout, he tells the elders that visit they don't understand and he wants to die everyday waking up on the bathroom floor. This is not believable at all.

The father breaks down in front of the elders. Of course all the emotion is very surface. Muted almost. He has an old friend come to visit. Guy ends up helping him with his roof free of charge. they remember the good ole days and go for a walk. The guy reveals to all of us that he was serving in Peru and lost his wife. They both cry.
the dad finds strength in his faith, shares it with his family. Tumor/cancer gone. Reads scripture to the son. Apparently gets a new better job in a factory (old one closed down). Everyone is on the mend. Preaching to everyone as it closes.

the end
**The emotional tone was turned up here from the door. Lots of violin, sad music, imagery to conjure emotion in the viewer. Its well produced, and poorly acted which is kind of typical of these videos. The emotion from the people involved is not realistic however. Its very muted and unrealistic. I thought it was interesting that it was heavily suggested the friends wife in Peru dies due to not taking blood, but it was never directly stated. In the end everything is ok and there is no substance. Its just meant to make people cry.
Manipulative.......no surprises.

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Reading an amusing Bible Story (revised slightly), and noticed how much the earth is like a paradise.
Wasn't it supposed to be thorns and thistles?
http://imgur.com/HcU1uXT

 
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xjwsrock 2 hours ago

Lolololol
funny story
BS pic. No consistency. Still drawing Garden of Eden pics after the fact. Stupidity.
 

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reading an amusing bible story (revised slightly), and noticed how much the earth is like a paradise.. wasn't it supposed to be thorns and thistles?.

http://imgur.com/hcu1uxt.

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i give it 3 thumbs down.. the video starts with an ambulance in peru.

the ambulance people look at an id and a no blood card in spanish.. quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys.

all good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities.

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does anyone have a link or pdf copy of this?

i have a disfellowshipped friend who shares custody of her daughter with her witness ex-husband.

she is starting to have a lot of issues with the arrangement - her ex-husband and extended family (all witnesses) are constantly undermining her, bullying her daughter into changing her mind about certain decisions that they had already made together.

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perp declared dangerous offender.

http://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcca/doc/2016/2016bcca127/2016bcca127.html?searchurlhash=aaaaaqahamvob3zhaaaaaaab&resultindex=2.

dangerous offender at kingdom hall (imagine if the 13-year-old were going door-to-door with another child?).

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i ask, because a neighboring congregation of where i used to attend was dissolved, and the people from there were scattered about to whatever congregation was closest.

but it turns out that they still meet at the old kingdom hall a couple times a week, for field service.

apparently this is done for tax purposes.. i suppose from a fiscal standpoint it makes sense, though it seems a little deceitful.

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i had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.

i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.

apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".

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now available on jw.org the rc 2016 releases (all downloadable movies, no books)for a certainty god made him lord and christhttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=lrc&prefer=lang&srcid=sharehope for what we do not seehttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=dns&prefer=lang&srcid=shareoh jehovah...i trust in youhttps://www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&pub=tiy&prefer=lang&srcid=share

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sir82
jookbeard
9 hours ago
Simon
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Jehovah Witness vs Jehovah's Witness
by Simon in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
being brought up as a jehovah's witness means you are so used to the term that you rarely stop to think about it.. one thing i've noticed is that people unfamiliar with the religion will say "jehovah witness" (no 's) instead which i always found a bit grating.. but watching the us election, something struck me.

people are often referred to as "trump supporters", not "trump's supporters" and so on.

thinking about other things, people would say they were "united fan's", not "united's fans" and so on.. it seems weird that a group would refer to themselves as though it was someone else talking about them (in the 3rd person, if i have that right).. what do you think?

Naoscillator
Lieu
sparrowdown
10 hours ago
Sugar Shane
18
Convention coming to a city near YOU...
by Sugar Shane in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
...and it's our duty to warn non-jws, or half awake jws about these events, as they start appearing in newspapers throughout the us, and abroad.

it almost comes out as a promotional ad for the jw convention.

the 'current events' editing staff of this paper likely has no idea what their promoting.

Londo111
Londo111
compound complex
7 hours ago
Tenacious
14
78 to go and hopefully something good comes of it. Please do your part and sign up. Thanks
by Tenacious in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Child Abuse Issues
 2 days ago
only 78 signatures are needed in order to send the request to the irs that they revoke or at the very least investigate the borg.

come'on guys, support it.. click here to support and sign up!.

smiddy
Clearview
James Mixon
15 hours ago
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