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The Friday Column: Watchtower facing financial stormwaters?
Posted on April 8, 2016
 
JWMazeI honestly thought it was a joke.
When I first saw the image opposite being circulated online, I felt that it had to be a piece of satirical art, created by an Ex-JW. I mean, I knew Watchtower had been increasingly stooping to lower and lower standards with increasing desperation to wring every last penny out of their increasingly impoverished flock, but…come on!
Surely not even Watchtower could be so crass and unsubtle as to create a child’s game where the whole object of the game was to donate money to them!
Turns out, I was wrong.
The puzzle was a genuine piece of Watchtower art, although I was rather amused when former Jehovah’s Witnesses Tony Brock posted a slightly altered version of the game onto Facebook, to present his own suggestion of where the child’s donation might ACTUALLY be going if it made it through the maze:
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Even active and faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses will be aware of the truth of much of this cartoon. The Governing Body have increasingly been flaunting their jewellery, expensive suits and designer watches on their JW Broadcasting appearances, and the extravagance of the new Watchtower headquarters with it’s remote control lake is hardly a secret.
Yet the last item on the list; the increasingly painful legal damages that Watchtower is having to pay, mostly centred around Child Abuse policies, that one that will be unfamiliar to many Witnesses.
Ironically, this unknown and hidden aspect of Watchtower’s financial outgoings might be the one that increasingly comes to dominate their fortunes. According to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, Watchtower’s policies and doctrines come together in a “perfect storm” to create an environment for sexual predetors to molest children, undetected and unreported.
The thing with storms is this;
Storms are expensive, y’all.
Storm Damage
Branch committee coordinator Terrence O'Brien was accused of intentionally trying to mislead the Commission
Branch committee coordinator Terrence O’Brien

Day 7 of the Australian Royal Commission investigation into Watchtower saw this exchange between the Head of Watchtower Australia Terrance O’Brien and Justice Peter McClellan about the issue of financial recompense.

McClellan:You know that the Commission’s been looking at the issue of redress, I assume?
O’Brien: I do, yes.
McClellan: And it is fairly clear that the Commission will be recommending a response which brings together all of the institutions where there may have been problems, to contribute their fair share ‐ you understand that?
O’Brien: I recall that from the closed hearing we had with yourself.
Financial Redress has been a key area for the ARC. It’s hard to argue that organisations who failed in their duty of care and exposed children to sexual abuse should not be required to give some measure of financial compensation; not only to address the significant medical costs involved in treating the physical and mental damage suffered, but also to show recognition of the wrong done. The ARC has discussed this idea in detail, even presenting models as to how it might work:

“…relevant criteria could be severity of abuse – 40 per cent, impact of abuse – 40 per cent and distinctive institutional factors – 20 per cent. Other approaches are possible. Average payments of $50,000, $65,000 and $80,000 are modelled.”
In other words, this model suggests that the severity, the impact of the abuse, and the degree of specific failings of the Institution should be taken into account. It then suggests some average payments.

McCellan: Would you recommend that the church join in such a scheme?
O’Brien: I don’t know whether I would recommend that the church join in with other organisations, but certainly that we have some redress scheme of our own to care for victims who are Jehovah’s Witnesses.  I would agree with that.
McClellan: Why wouldn’t you recommend that you join with others so that there is a uniform response across the country?
O’Brien: If I may just indulge, your Honour, when we had the closed meeting with yourself and others, that was a matter that I think it was almost universally felt as a last option by those who were assembled, for a variety of reasons.  I think some may feel that ‐ would it be fair on smaller organisations and unfair on the ‐ or, rather, unfair on smaller ones, fairer on the larger ones?  To manage it I would see it as a much greater difficulty than for the individual organisation to provide their own scheme.
McClellan: You must have a different recollection to me.
This is part of a longer exchange which demonstrated how Watchtower is frantically trying to pour water on the concept of a financial redress scheme administered by an outside authority, with agreed and standardised amounts for victims.
Why would Watchtower be so afraid of a system like that becoming law, as is very possible in the next couple of years in Australia?
Well, remember what O’Brien said: Would it be “fair” on the smaller organisations?
That sounds like a reasonable concern until one realises that Watchtower is a “smaller” organisation unlike any other the Commission have investigated.
Watchtower: A unique stormfront
sex-abuse-survivorUnlike an organisation that simply reports to the police as soon as it becomes aware of an allegation of child sexual abuse, Watchtower policy not only refuses to do this unless legally required, but also requires the elders to start investigating the allegation themselves to determine guilt in a bronze-age religious court, thus opening themselves up to far greater liability than a regular church or group.
Additionally, it’s been clearly demonstrated during the ARC hearings that the process the elders are mandated to use is virtually guaranteed to cause further needless trauma to the survivor.
Therefore, it’s significantly more probable that cases linked to Watchtower (such as the 1,006 Witness molesters the ARC has already identified) will be eligible for compensation when compared to cases from other organisations of a similar size.
Keep that in mind as we craft a theoretical scenario that admittedly makes a lot of assumptions, some of which will fall in Watchtower’s favour for the sake of fairness.
Lets assume only one victim per abuser (and not, say the four victims involved in the case of BCG, who gave testimony at the Royal Commission). That gives us 1,006 potential claims identified by the Royal Commission.
Now assume that out of those 1,006 potential claims, only half of the victims are found to be eligible for compensation and in a position to claim.
Now assume that only half of those survivors are found to have directly experienced additional trauma due to Watchtowers’s policies, and qualify for a higher sum than a default of $65,000. Lets say the higher figure is $80,000.
So you’ve got 250 times 65,000 = 16,250,000 and 250 times 80,000 = 20,000,000
Now add those two figures together and what do you get?
An eye watering $36,250,000!
And remember, this scenario is making some assumptions that are significantly more favourable to Watchtower than the evidence suggests is reasonable.
Recurring Storms: No end in sight.
Angus Stewart, senior council at the Royal Commission, has delivered damning summary findings detailing Watchtower's mishandling of child abuse
Angus Stewart, senior council at the Royal Commission, has delivered damning summary findings detailing Watchtower’s mishandling of child abuse

But we’re not done yet, because another fascinating glimpse under the hood of Watchtower Australia was given on Day 7 when Watchtower Lawyer Vince Toole admitted under questioning the following statistic about his role at the Watchtower Australia Legal Desk, taking reports of child sexual abuse from congregations across the country.

Angus Stewart SC: You say you’ve done this exclusively for, did you say, two years or two and a half years?
Vince Toole: Yeah, approximately two years, I’ve been taking the calls myself.
Stewart: These are calls about allegations of child sexual abuse?
Toole: Yes.
Stewart: And how many such calls have you taken in that period, would you estimate?
Toole: I couldn’t tell you, but we probably get three, sometimes four, a month.
Again, let’s be generous to Watchtower. Let’s assume four new cases of abuse a month, but say that each of those reports involve only one abuse survivor, and that of those four survivors a month, only two are eligible for and desirous of compensation. Again, lets assume that the $65,000 default sum is the one decided upon every time because by some miracle Watchtower managed not to exacerbate suffering when they indulged in their demonstrably flawed judicial process.
So 2 victims a month is 24 victims a year.
So that’s 24 times 65,000…
…$1,560,000 per year!
Now, there are around 80,000 witnesses in Australia. Remember, that figure will include people who are fading or who have faded, and thus do not donate, as well as rank and file JW’s who are either very poor or simply forget to donate a lot of the time. But assume for argument’s sake that every single one of the 80,000 donates money of around $20 a month.
Divide the arguably conservative sum of $1,560,000 by the arguably generous figure of 80,000 publishers.
$19.5 dollars, right?
That means that if a witness donates $20 a month, almost 1/12 of his entire yearly donation will go simply to paying the annual child abuse bill.
That’s AFTER they spend around two years paying off the initial lump sum of  $36,250,000.
Granted, these figures are theoretical, using models and sums yet to be agreed and passed into law. Much could happen between then and now.
Nonetheless, the scenarios are plausible, and it’s clear if you read between the lines of O’Brien’s testimony that Watchtower also thinks they are plausible, and are very worried as a result.
Which is probably one of the reasons why I strongly suspect that the crazy maze at the top of this article won’t be the last piece of low-brow piggy-bank shaking we will see from an increasingly beleaguered Watchtower.
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39 Responses to The Friday Column: Watchtower facing financial stormwaters?

 pj wilcox says:

 April 8, 2016 at 12:49 pm
 
Thank You, great reporting.I appreciate your updates each week.
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 AAzevedo says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:05 pm
 
It boggles my mind that WTBS refuses to change their stand on this..I served as an elder for 10 years and remember recieving their guidelines for Child abuse…as secretary I was the second one to recieve the correspondence…I remember reading this letter at home after the meeting and telling myself that I did not want any part of this…I questioned the legality of it all but more important the MORALITY of adhering to these orders being barked from head office. I told myself that this is NOT something I would do….at one point in time we must ask ourselves if we are showing the love unto others the way we should be but keeping quiet on child molestation and not helping the real victims and their families. this is the first time i have written on this blog..and I am disgusted to read that after being 10 years removed from the “TRUTH” that things are still the same if not worse as they now hold kangaroo courts and with hunts on the victims and their families! I tend to wonder what Jesus would do…Hmmmm… I think we know how he would ! God bless the victims and families.
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 Mama Joy says:

 April 8, 2016 at 2:00 pm
 
Thank you for speaking out on this injustice against children.
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 ScotWm says:

 April 8, 2016 at 7:02 pm
 
Regarding: “It boggles my mind that WTBS refuses to change their stand on this…” (Pedophile Protection Policies.)
If the Governing Body changed the Watchtower PPP, it would be an admission of wrongdoing which could result in even more lawsuits and unfavorable judgments. The Watchtower Governing Body members have proclaimed themselves to be Guardians Of Doctrine (GOD). It is unlikely they will change any doctrine that will expose them to additional lawsuits.
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 April 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm
 
This is perhaps the ultimate proof that it is not God’s organisation. They are in a no win situation. If Jesus really had been directing them all this time, why would he have let it get to this point? Wouldn’t he have anticipated this years ago and “refined” the organisation and its policies ahead of time?
If they were to admit now that they have had the child abuse policy wrong all this time and were to adjust it (rather than become more entrenched in their faulty position and strengthen their resolve to fight efforts at reform like they are actually doing) it could very well bankrupt them. The same goes for shunning, false predictions, faulty medical advice and other false teachings and practices. An apology and an admission of guilt and culpability now would only open the floodgates of litigation even further. Instead they are trying to slow down that litigation pipeline as much as possible, by any means, compounding their mistakes with more lies and deceptions, in order to make sure the bank balance doesn’t run out before the settlements do.
The fact that these are all unchristian practices goes without saying, but it also proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that God has not blessed or backed this organisation for the simple reason that if this was really “the truth”, all of these issues would have been anticipated and resolved decades ago.
Instead they now find themselves in a position where they can’t go backwards without going bankrupt, and can only go forward by persisting in false, damaging and unchristian practices and policies which are becoming increasingly untenable and self-destructive.
This is further evidenced by their attempts to appeal to those who have walked away to “return to Jehovah”. The stats show that it is getting harder to make new converts in the modern era where Watchtower is easily exposed for what they are by that powerful truth serum, the Internet. Anybody contacted today only needs to Google JWs and discover the WHOLE truth about them. So instead they are trying to recall those who still have some emotional attachment to the organisation; perhaps through family and friends, personal history, sentimentality, fear, guilt, or all of the above. This smacks of desperation, but it is also evidence that they are losing the battle. Instead of reforming they are trying to tighten their grip. Either way, it is clear that God is certainly not backing, let alone “speeding up” this work.
In fact, if this really was God’s organisation, JWs would have set the benchmark on all these issues long ago, especially child abuse, and this really would differentiate them from “the world” and all the other “false religions” they condem so vehemently. Instead of now treading the same legal path of all those they have persecuted, they should have been head and shoulders above them all (especially the head!)
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 Chiafade says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:08 pm
 
Watchtower is paranoid and greedy. Since they are being backed into a corner I think they will take desperate measures to insulate themselves. Such as closing the Australia branch and moving their funds to some other country where it can’t be touched. They are a slippery bunch.
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 ScotWm says:

 April 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm
 
The Watchtower could decide to leave Australia due to the increased “persecution” they are currently experiencing. The only problem is that the Watchtower cult might have its real estate assets seized by the government as collateral on unpaid court judgments.
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 isawthelight says:

 April 9, 2016 at 2:23 pm
 
These old 8 roosters are only respected by the flock who would not believe anything negative about that gb. But I am sure that justice will triumph. And if justice does not triumph then how can we really believe in an almighty God? The watchtower must fall. I have more respect for Isis than I do them. I know Isis is a killer and they boast about it.But the watchtower tries to put on a show of being righteous but they are just a dam group of men using religion as a front.That means they are more wicked than Isis. I also have more respect for the mob than I do Jehovah witnesses.
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 Johnship says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:26 pm
 
As one who has been in this org 50 years and seeing the made push to do everything on line with the blue square .i think they will separate from the watchtower completly and be just jw .org. already on the mags and any leaflets the WT logo is getting smaller and smaller. Soon there will be new light and they will come out with some “scripural reason ” to separate and avoid responsibility for the pay outs …
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 Jan Hoekstra says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:36 pm
 
Sinking ship it is. Only in 2014 i started to see all ‘mistakes’ , manipulations and mankind religion. Nothing to do with Jesus or Jehovah God. But all religions are in the same, only mankind
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 Jan Hoekstra says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:33 pm
 
There are some millionaires who claim to be a JW. So persons like ‘Prince” who have A. Morris III design clothes and shoes can easy pay …….They have properties enough the GB world-wide and should sell. People can have the meetings at home they go to tell. In Tbilisi , Georgia they sack 30 persons from the local ‘Bethel’ branch. No work, no house , no money. And people are afraid to speak about such unmorality.
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 Susan says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:34 pm
 
Excellent article as always. The redress amounts you mentioned are definitely plausible – no wonder the organization is so money crazy these days!
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 J goodman says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:39 pm
 
Sadly, the long standing JWcult has entrenched itself worldwide and like cockroaches won’t be killed off easily.
 If only governments would wake up to the fact that this
“charity” is a sham.
 They should NOT be tax exempt because they do nothing but enrich their own bloated corporation, amassing more and more wealth.
 JW>ORG is psychologically and emotionally abusive ruling their duped members through fear, shame and guilt. Unfortunately, they are masters at emotional manipulation and must hire the same advertising people who produce drug ads for TV. Their videos are shameless and sickening and like any good drug commercial it attempts to gloss over the negative.
 This fabulous drug “Jehovia” will relieve you of any ability to think or act clearly. You will feel compelled to empty your bank account and donate to our cause…namely fighting child abuse lawsuits.
 It you are plagued with a logical, thinking mind please take Jehovia as directed.
 Sadly, using children is nothing new as they care very little about the welfare of children as their stone age policies clearly show.
 I would love to see them bankrupt but their followers are blind, deaf and dumb.
 As the late circus tycoon Barnum said: “There’s a sucker born every minute.” And they’ve got close to 8 million suckers.
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 Andrew Haas says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:55 pm
 
Had a discussion with a Witness a month ago. As I’m disfellowshipped and considered an apostate this Witness was not following Organisational guidelines. This Witness was kind and loving to me and keen to know how I and my family were going. There was no condemnation or preaching just a genuine interest. I was thinking how nice it would be if there was a policy that allowed a loving exchange. Anyway during the discussion the Witness was saying that at almost every meeting there is a scripture read and an appeal for more money to support the worldwide work. As a result this Witness said that he has not contributed for months and there is murmuring in the congregation about “what are they doing with the money”? The rank and file are stirring. There will be a mass exodus. I planted a seed and explained to him that there is a need for money to pay compensation to child abuse victims. He had not heard of this so it’s obvious that there is a huge Information filter in every Kingdom Hall. It’s just a matter of time. I made my way from JW to Christian and absolutely love my freedom in Christ. Peace to all.
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 Eeee says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:55 pm
 
On the issue of money, being that I have been following the current trends on the organization. We attended a circuit assembly on Sunday, in Nigeria, one of south south state . Before the morning session was concluded, the circuit account servant came over to announce the circuit account. We were about 3800 in attendance. He announced about the deficit the circuit had before the convention, the announce the surplus as a result of contributions during the convention and then said something I expected him to say. That based on per capital income, based the total number in the audience, the contribution that they expected from us should be over a million naira. Most of the people in attendance laugh and sincerely, I know that they didn’t understand what that meant or what the Watchtower was actually doing. I believe something similar has been done in other circuit.
 I remember telling the person next to me that they are indirectly telling us that we have not contributed enough.
I know what the organization has turned to, and really from they history, they weren’t that good. But they are really turning into something else.
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 dee2 says:

 April 8, 2016 at 6:51 pm
 
Eeee,
The following information may be of interest regarding the Circuit Assembly deficit and contributions:
– Why is there always a Deficit at the Circuit Assembly of Jehovah’s Witnesses:https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=APb1RpfjCrA
– Circuit Accounts Servants Confesses how the SCAM WORKS:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/62001/circuit-accounts-servants-confesses-how-scam-works?page=1&size=20
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 Homer says:

 April 8, 2016 at 11:09 pm
 
Hey Eeee,
I’m from Nigeria too and a live in the same geographical region. I’m happy to know there’s someone like me here. Since I read Raymond Franz’s books, I have concluded this can’t be “Jehovah’s organization”. But that’s a tough act.
I’m still a ministerial servant, but I haven’t been out in field service since my questioning from elders came some months ago. And I was a regular pioneer and was planning to go to School for Kingdom Evangelizers, but I’ve realized that’s a shaky career…if at all it is a career, with all their financial woes.
I’m held captive by my family, as I’m a third generation witness. Can’t leave, at least not now. I’m on some sort of suspension and marking because of my questioning the elders — it’s been over six months since I last stepped on the platform. It’s tough for the witnesses here because I was always very active and they’re asking questions, at least since they’ve not heard about me being reproved or disfellowshipped as those are the people who don’t get to climb the platform (most times).
Not speaking from the platform is sweet relief for me. One elder gave a talk on the outline “How Can You Find The True Religion?” and he mentioned that witnesses have not been involved in child abuse cases, like Catholic Church has been, and have had to pay out millions of dollars and even close some parishes.
I turned to look at everyone…since I was standing near the notice board and it’s at the back of the hall. They all shook their heads in agreement. I couldn’t imagine preaching that from the platform with all I know, and I couldn’t help but think how Watchtower has kept us all ignorant, all these years, and people call it the “best education”, or “sumptuous spiritual food”.
It’s just sad how gullible people are. They believe the governing body cannot lie to them and keep boasting about how dynamic the organization is. And I realize it’s dynamic to them because that’s all they know and can see.
Sorry if I veered off topic. Have a lot to say that could fill up a book.
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 Mama Joy says:

 April 8, 2016 at 1:56 pm
 
Is that a typo or are they serious, when they said “give money to JEHOVAH”????
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 Markie says:

 April 8, 2016 at 2:25 pm
 
One thing I have to say is that those dudes on JW broadcasting are not wearing good suits. If you would notice how most of the suits drape over their chubby bodies it indicates that they are cheap fused suits and not more expensive canvassed ones. Also their ties look like they are from the 1990s. I would venture to say that none of them are wearing Brioni, Isaia or even Canalis. They are probably hand me downs from Joseph A Banks. I don’t think any of them would know what a good suit was anyhow.
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 SwimmingWild says:

 April 8, 2016 at 2:28 pm
 
The insurer’s are covering the abuse compensation costs for the Chirch of England – so is this possibly the same for JW’s?
Is it possible that they are not directly paying for these claims?
SwimmingWild
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 Keith Enno says:

 April 8, 2016 at 2:47 pm
 
Excellent work CovertFade
 from my post earlier this month..
 Today on 31 March 2016, it was reported that the Christian Brothers had resolved 205 claims of historical abuse in the last year alone, with payments exceeding $20 million.
 Now if we extend this average payout of AU$100,000.00 to the Watchtower Society’s perpetrator list of over one thousand documented pedophiles and assume they abuse five victims (possibly about average for a pedophile) then we have 5,000 victims and with an average payout as listed above this amounts to AU$500,000,000.00.
 Five Hundred Million Dollars.
 Now everyone knows why the WTS is shuffling (hiding) assets faster than the eye can see.
 Now everyone knows why the WTS is begging for cash.
 Perhaps instead of trying to escape their obligations they should imitate Christ by facing up to the overwhelming evidence and trying to do something for the victims, instead of denying, prevaricating, postponing, delaying, disputing etc., all tactics designed to wear down any claimants and let’s face it, the adverse mental health issues that are occurring because of all this denial & obfuscation are very real.
 So there we have it. FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS in Australia alone. This would have to make the “two witness” rule the most expensive misapplication of all time.
It will be interesting to see what the effect will be when compensation is enshrined in the legislation the Royal Commission is proposing. We believe it will encourage many more to come forward as they will be able to do so confidentially and without threat or fear of the Watchtower Society as it will all be assessed by an independent and supportive body. Bring it on!It will be interesting to see what the effect will be when compensation is enshrined in the legislation the Royal Commission is proposing. We believe it will encourage many more to come forward as they will be able to do so confidentially and without threat or fear of the Watchtower Society as it will all be assessed by an independent and supportive body. Bring it on!
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 Keith Enno says:

 April 8, 2016 at 2:51 pm
 
Obviously taking the extreme position here.
 The final result will lie somewhere between the two.
 Whatever the result it will be “eye watering”.
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 rikos says:

 April 8, 2016 at 3:37 pm
 
let them taking ever their underweares because these people are useless they do nothing good only harming people. lets hope other countries wake up and do what australia did.
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 Markie says:

 April 8, 2016 at 4:52 pm
 
Covert fade sorry but this is pretty flawed logic. Wishful thinking perhaps? If anybody really objectively analyzed what you wrote they would be able to see your assuming way too much to come to the conclusion you want.
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 John Redwood says:

 April 8, 2016 at 6:39 pm
 
Markie
Which part of the logic do you feel is flawed? You make a bold statement about flawed logic and wishful thinking, but with zero specifics. If you want to counter argue a point, please be our guest – but make a point to your argument, or your statement is without any merit.
Cheers,
John R
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 Markie says:

 April 9, 2016 at 1:16 pm
 
My point is not to draw an argument but to point out that your logic is not very sound. For example, you assume that 2 out of every three or four calls a month that the Society gets in Australia the Watchtower would be found culpable of some type of maleficence. What basis do you have to assume that? Or is that just wishful thinking? What if it was a false accusation, or the elders told the victim to go to the authorities? Or the case had simply nothing to do with congregation. From my experience it is very difficult if not impossible to prove that a third party should be held responsible for the actions of others.
 I do believe that the two witness rule is ridiculous in these cases for obvious reasons. But it is my understanding that the direction is now that victim can go to the authorities if they choose to do so. And I am not sure if that wasn’t always the case.
 And don’t get me wrong, I do believe that if the society is somehow culpable of some type of wrong doing in regards to child abuse they should be held responsible. I just don’t believe it is always the Societies fault. They are just the ones with deep pockets.
Ciao
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 SIRIUS says:

 April 8, 2016 at 7:00 pm
 
@Markie
>>>this is pretty flawed logic.
An opinion piece is suddenly flawed? Seriously?
>>>If anybody really objectively analyzed what you wrote …
I am somebody! It’s objective and there’s enough due diligence to make the reasoning sound from Covert Fade perspective.
Now, what do you know the others don’t?
IMHO
dogstar
PS Great write up Covert Fade on the available data.
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 Covert Fade says:

 April 9, 2016 at 2:58 am
 
Markie.
Happy to have someone point out the specific flaws in the article, but in order to do that you’d have to, y’know, actually point out the specific flaws and not just wave a vague hand of disagreement in the general vicinity of an actual point.
Over to you: Please proceed with you objective analysis.
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 Ocma says:

 April 8, 2016 at 11:44 pm
 
“McCellan: Would you recommend that the church join in such a scheme?” – why not join the scheme?? JW claim to have things under control, that there are so few abused. What are they scared of?….oh, of course, the facts. The fact that there are many victims, and the fact that they do jack to help the victims. They are only concerned with covering their own backs.
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 AussieneedingComfort says:

 April 9, 2016 at 5:28 am
 
John Redwood/Covert Fade….please check with Cedars to be certain, but as I recall, this person “Markie” is a troll and has caused difficulties on other threads.
Regarding this article…GOOD WORK! I thoroughly enjoyed every word and agree with your intent! Keep it up!!! Makes my heart feel so better that the “bread” they have tossed on the water is coming back to them in a huge way! The amount of pain and misery they have dished out will now be theirs to enjoy!
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 Covert Fade says:

 April 9, 2016 at 5:38 am
 
Hi AussieneedingComfort.
Thanks for the kinds comments.
On the other issue I’ve seen many of Markie’s posts and I don’t consider him to be a troll. He has not been abusive. I’m hoping he will reply here with some specific points of criticism which can either be debated or accepted, as his current post doesn’t really add anything to the discussion.
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 Jeffro says:

 April 9, 2016 at 7:31 am
 
As far as mazes go, it’s pretty lame, even for a child’s puzzle. Two completely distinct solutions, each with 2 different paths available, for a total of 4 possible solutions. Maybe this is meant to represent all the different types of donations Watch Tower will accept, from cash to jewellery to real estate to life insurance policies.
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 Tara says:

 April 9, 2016 at 8:09 am
 
Haven’t been going to the meetings but Walmart seems to be the place to bump into the bros and sisters. The other day I bumped into one of the nicest couples in ‘my’ hall. After pleasantries the sister made a remark that took me back as it was unprovoked. She mentioned how the society is crying out for money. Her and her husbands thoughts were that it was because of the internet and obviously no one was donating to the magazines anymore. Then she mentioned how the renovation on ‘our own’ hall had been halved financially…. how the building of the new UK Bethel was on hold… I gave an off the cuff remark about the Warwick building work still going ahead and she gave me a quizzical look. I mentioned that when I first came into the ‘truth’ a comment from one of the governing body was that when the money runs out …… I stopped about then because it wasn’t the time or the place… but I saw them look at each other. Now this little maze thing. Yes, the minions are slowly noticing something isn’t quite right in the societies pocket book.
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 April 9, 2016 at 10:09 am
 
Who do you think will pay the bill?
*** w10 11/15 pp. 20-21 ‘Let Us Present Jehovah’s Offering’ ***
“Your servants have taken the sum of the men of war who are in our charge and not one has been reported missing from us,” they told Moses. They decided to present gold and various ornaments as Jehovah’s offering. The total weight of the gold ornaments amounted to over 500 troy pounds (190 kg).—Num. 31:49-54.
‘Let Us Present Jehovah’s Offering’ , who knows how much Africa pays? What about Europe and Asia?
‘Let Us Present Jehovah’s Offering’
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 April 9, 2016 at 10:15 am
 
http://thewatchtowerfiles.com/money/
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 Eyes opened says:

 April 9, 2016 at 11:17 am
 
Great article with sound reasoning.
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 ruthlee says:

 April 9, 2016 at 1:39 pm
 
ummm! The GB seem to not know what children are for. They miss the point of their little maze. If you give a child a puzzle or a game , it is expected to give them the reward , The encouragement is for the child to find delight in achieving something. We all know the saying “taking candy from a baby” and these charlatans would fleece even the little children. Are you not supposed to lay up for your children and not expect them to lay up for you? These men are not just greedy but desperate. They would hoodwink innocent children into parting with their love tokens from their parents and grandparents , only to feed the GB greed and deficit. Let’s add insult to injury. How many JW’s are born in so didn’t even get converted off the doors so have always contributed to this cowboy outfit ? How many were molested so are entitled to a payout and not a contribution to the corrupt Tower? And how many of the younger generation will follow the pied pipers and not actually get a proper job so will always struggle for money the way we do? As it is there seems to be money making scams at every turn ie assembly deficits. What now at every meeting we have a TV show to keep costs down and damn begging letters always with a misquoted scripture. As my Asperger child so eloquently put it in his pointed truthful and rapier wit style”why don’t they set up a praypal account, so we can click at the touch of a button?” I had to smile because that IS really funny and might just give the greedy men ideas.Ruthlee
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 April 9, 2016 at 1:50 pm
 
And another thing while I’m at it (on a roll here). How on earth do they expect to get any money back in the future if they damn the kids to eternal window washing and cleaning toilets? Here in Britain you need to clear around £1,000 per month to pay your way in rent , car taxes, food and fuel. So how does a “humble” window washer do this unless he goes under the radar and claim housing relief from the government. (hardly relying on god!) or fiddles the tax? I really don’t know how they manage. I don’t actually care what they do but I know they would struggle to help out in any lawsuits if for some reason they suddenly become vicariously liable through ignorance. So I reckon they all better start saving the kids money as there are some mighty expenses coming that I suspect the Gb will worm out of and trap the fools in the tower to cough up. I think you can tell i’m annoyed at the blatant misuse of power, yet again , against children. ruthlee
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 April 9, 2016 at 4:31 pm
 
The more I look at this picture the more disgusted I am. As if their policies toward children haven’t been shameful enough, they have to resort to sly, underhanded, manipulative exploitation and coercion. They are training the next generation to pay for the abuse of the previous generations.
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 KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

 August 25, 2013 at 6:55 pm
 
With every word they reveal and “impart” far more than they ever intended…
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 george says:

 August 27, 2013 at 4:45 am
 
Sorry Cedars, I can only access the first video on my I pad. There are a lot of over sized play icons and they won’t work.
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 Luke says:

 October 27, 2013 at 5:27 pm
 
Continue the good work on this site that expose what Watchtower Organization really are — a fanatic end-time driven cult that only serve interests of its leaders. I left this
 cult three years ago for good. My only regret is that I had not left the Watchtower Cult earlier! On Easter Sunday this year, I was baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and received into Eastern Orthodox Church, apostolic Church that preserved the Faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Cedar, you have my blessings of your work on this site that
 will yet help millions of JWs to see the truth of so-called ‘Truth’.
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 Fred says:

 November 2, 2013 at 12:09 pm
 
Forget taking your numbers from a 1974 yearbook if you question the amount of those killed, interned, etc get the numbers from the Holocaust museum. You forgot to mention the ‘JEWS’ were and its quoted several times in the Watchtower publications as it is related in the bible, “ONCE GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE” but they did not remain that because of their actions. Your quotes from WT publications are based on the latter that they fell out of favour in God’s eyes. They therefor were NOT written in an anti-Semitic nature. Many Jews have become JW’s over the years are they lesser beings because they were of Jewish blood?…ABSOLUTELY NOT! All races are equal so this video in my opinion is twisted in its presentation. Not to mention the ridiculous claim of Rutherford’s so called love letter to Adolf Hitler. No blinders on here, I have checked the facts. Sorry but this video paints an untruthful twist of events and statements about the WT as regards the comments on the Nazi’s and Jews.
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 Palma says:

 February 28, 2014 at 3:48 am
 
Hi everybody! Hi cedars!
 I found this article about a discovery in egypt that brings light to the origin of story of joseph in the bible.
 What do you think?http://www.davidovits.info/the-lost-fresco-and-the-bible-my-new-book-in-french/
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 Idris says:

 March 27, 2014 at 8:12 am
 
Thank you for this page, it has been a great help to me, as I seek the truth of the word of God, however I noticed in the video ‘Does the Bible speak of ‘Paradise Earth’ the speaker quotes Luke 21v43 twice, regarding Jesus word on the cross, there should be a correction note as the verse he mentions is in Luke 23 v 43.
 Keep up the good work
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 Julia Orwell says:

 July 17, 2014 at 3:47 am
 
Been to internationals before and this elaborate souvenir thing is entirely new. The last one I went to in 2009, the last ones they had, had nothing like this so it’s not a matter of you having not noticed it in the past, it’s a matter of it being a new phenomenon.
 I theorize that the wt motives for this involve keeping the masses busy and therefore obedient. Jws would volunteer to do this because there are no other legitimate outlets for creative expression. Armageddon being near has nothing to do with it: it’s about keeping the sheeple busy and happy. Making stupid trinkets is also a team building activity as it involves jws working together, thus reinforcing the herd mentality jws have.
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 frankie fernandez says:

 February 27, 2015 at 4:44 pm
 
dear friends I was baptized in 1974. Thank God I am no longer a member of the WT. Free at last and oh what a relief it is. A member of my former congregation who I considerd my best friend molested a minor. There was a big argument amognst the elders on the judicial committee. One elder who was a maverick, wanted to notify the police. But, instead they followed the instuctions of the society. They kept this crime against the child, hush hush. So as not to tarnish the name of Jehovah. But in reality it was a coverup to protect the wt’s reputation. Meanwhile this poor child that was raped has to carry the heavy burden of a victim for the rest of thier lives without compensation and without justice. While the abuser has remaind a member in good standing. The congregation he is attending now has not been notified that he is a sexual preditor.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 November 17, 2015 at 1:14 am
 
Frankie.If I were you I would turn him into the police now even though it may have been several years ago he committed this crime. Many sexual predators get turned in years later after the crime is reveled. At the very least he will be investigated and his Name will be mud for being a creep.
 He deserves it and so does the WT for its NON protection of the flock and not caring for the victim but only their phony reputation.
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 Lesley HUmphreys-Jones says:

 February 15, 2016 at 10:10 am
 
Tell the police.
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 Kirtley W. Burggraf says:

 March 11, 2015 at 11:16 am
 
Tell me, since governing body members are elected (replacing someone who dies) at what point do do they become “divinely inspired” or “spirit guided”? Were they always thus in the lower ranks or does this just “happen” the moment that they are appointed? What’s Watchtower’s take on this?
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 Alone in MD says:

 March 31, 2015 at 6:00 pm
 
Regards your video on the Memorial Service. I am one of those “non believers” married to a baptized witness. I go to just keep the peace but I’ve made it known that I consider this service one of the worst religious ceremonies that I have ever been to. “Anointed What”. Also it was announced at last years meeting that “this may be the last memorial service”. They are at it again. Thanks for the great videos.
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 frankie fernandez says:

 May 10, 2015 at 9:50 pm
 
IF CHRIST WAS ENTHRONGED IN 1914, WHY ARE THE WITNESES STILL CELEBRATING THE MEMORIAL? CHRIST SAID THAT AFTER HIS ARRIVAL NO ONE WAS TO CELEBRATE THE MEMORIAL .ALSO HE SAID THAT THE DAY OF HIS PRESENSE, IT WILL BE LIKE LIGHTNING FROM ONE POINT OF THE EARTH TO ANOTHER. LIGHTNING TRAVELS AT THE SPEED OF 3500 MILES PER SECOUND. SO IT WILL TRAVEL AROUND THE GLOBE IN LESS THAN A MINUTE. HE ALSO SAID THAT ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM. NOT LIKE THE WTS THAT SAYS WE ARE IN HIS INVISIBLE PRESENSE.
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 pj wilcox says:

 July 31, 2015 at 3:21 am
 
I watched the latest video of the inept elder being questioned by the commission. Who prepared this man for testimony? You all are aware of the dentist who shot Cecil the lion in Kenya? Well his life is over. He is in hiding. What he did ,did not break laws in Kenya and his is in a world of trouble with public sentiment. But this elder being questioned is far worse. He covered deeds that drove people to think of killing themselves. Should he not go into hiding? Is his life over? Has he know conscience? Emotion, caring? You know the answer. Bet ya, damage control is working overtime on this.
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 Adrian says:

 September 8, 2015 at 3:32 am
 
I think the Royal Commission videos demonstrate that fragility of the governance within the WT society. Yes, it’s an Australia branch issue but cross examination only points to the seat of control on which the governing body members sit. Everything starts and stops with the governing body, they set the policy but where are they? Sitting comfortably in NY watching from a distance ready to abdicate any responsibility whatsoever. A governing body governs and leads but I see no leadership I see the followers talking and being bashed around the head with questions, all too easy for the legal team.
However, it might just be me but does anyone else not see the lawyer’s gap in knowledge regarding the fundamental rationale for the WT society policies, they fall back in their comfort zone knowing that they can say ‘well we don’t have the authority to go beyond the bible.’
It’s this gap in knowledge of the legal representatives which the WT society exploit. I mean nobody is going to ask ‘ where actually did this translation come from anyway?’ What were the academic qualifications of the translators? Is there a possibility that you have interpreted things wrongly or even worse, translated things incorrectly? If there’s a possibility that your interpretation on how to deal with modern day child abuse cases in congregations may be flawed, then are you in agreement that your policies could result in lasting harm to victims of abuse? In my view that translation is the ‘elephant in the room’ every scholar knows it’s perverse but no one is holding this cult to account. So easy to say it’s all in the bible but should they really be saying it’s all in the NWT instead?
The WT society in the videos almost give of an innocence as if to say, ‘ but that’s what we understand from the scriptures’, and I think it works in their favor, but a savvy legal representative would do well to tease out the basis for the rendering of certain verses on which doctrine, policy and organisational decisions are based. So far the WT Society appears to be one step ahead because their authority is not a person but a book, which they are ‘only trying to understand and live by’. Expose the origin of the NWT and the basis for so many ridiculous uncaring decisions is called into question.
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 Rick Viger says:

 November 10, 2015 at 3:26 pm
 
Thanks John for all you do with your videos.
 I’m an ex JW for 40 years now. I hope your videos reach some witnesses and make them think. For all of you that have left Watchtower remember you made the right decision.
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 S.T. says:

 November 24, 2015 at 9:48 pm
 
I was wondering if anyone has heard that Jehovah’s witnesses are telling there congregations that the end of this system could have only hours left? My sister who is a Jehovah’s Witness said they are preaching this at the congregations. Has anyone else heard this?
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 Paul says:

 April 3, 2016 at 10:24 pm
 
Indoctrination and mind control in its purest form. Will the BS never end, and is hard for me to understand why JW’S put up with this.
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The Friday Column: Governing Body Issues Apology to Abuse Victims, Announces Radical Policy Changes
NOTE TO JW SURVEY READERS: THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE,  RELEASED ON APRIL 1ST, IS INTENDED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE POLICIES OF THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION ARE HARMFUL AND IN MANY CASES DEADLY. IT IS OUR…
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Many of the Jehovah's Witnesses Circuit Overseer forms now available http://avoidjw.org/forms/  See S-300 to S-384.



 



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Forms, Indexes and Reports used by Jehovah's Witnesses
Jehovah's Witnesses have forms for all sorts of reasons. They have forms for judicial reporting, for ministry and other congregation activities.
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  Lloyd Evans  ‎‎@cedarsjwsurvey 
A few highlights from the leaked circuit overseer guidelines document... https://youtu.be/otzjUIM_AWg  via @YouTube








 
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