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by johnna colins 2 days ago 12 Replies latest a day ago   watchtower scandals
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johnna colins 2 days ago
Who are leading the governing body? Who is in charge of them? I don't mean the shareholders. It seems more like they are puppets on a string to some degree. We can all see that Tony Morris is definitely calling some shots. And I guess Geoffrey Jackson when he so decisively said no that that two witness rule would not change. But power has considerably changed from when Fred Franz or Knorr were president.
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jookbeard
jookbeard 2 days ago
Goldman Sachs must pulling a lot of strings, maybe a few other faceless groups have been advising them with their property deals and business model , for years they wouldn't budge of how ineffective and expensive their so called free labour was, and look what has happened over the last few years? wholesale lay offs and a massive property sell off, they would have still been stuck in the Knorr'esq time warp had they not been advised to change.
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sir82 2 days ago

Among themselves, my best guess is that Morris views himself as "the boss" and the others either don't care or just find it easier to let him think so.
Of course, among themselves, they're pretty much only in charge of what next week's definition of "generation" is, or what other flip-flop they'd like to have printed.
For real stuff, stuff that affects the financial health of the organization or policy matters that affect people's lives, that is pretty clearly directed by someone other than the Bumbling Seven. Those guys couldn't run a lemonade stand.
It's likely partly lawyers who call the shots, partly accountants, and partly some outside advisers brought in by the lawyers and/or accountants to set some semblance of a coherent business plan.

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nowwhat?
nowwhat? 2 days ago
Hail hydra!
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freemindfade
freemindfade 2 days ago
They use the GB board of directors to not have the standard cult mo of a charismatic leader. But cults have to have a charismatic leader and the jws do have one, he's just imaginary. Yep Jehovah is the charismatic cult leader. Just like north koreans still worship the supreme leader even though he has died he is used as the head of the cult. So the gb do as they like and pin it on the "leader" the big J.
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eyeuse2badub
eyeuse2badub 2 days ago

Oh my goodness, you mean to tell me that "Holy Spirit" isn't leading them? Well this changes everything!
just saying!
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Phizzy
Phizzy 2 days ago
Sir 82 wrote " For real stuff, stuff that affects the financial health of the organization or policy matters that affect people's lives, that is pretty clearly directed by someone other than the Bumbling Seven. Those guys couldn't run a lemonade stand.
It's likely partly lawyers who call the shots, partly accountants, and partly some outside advisers brought in by the lawyers and/or accountants to set some semblance of a coherent business plan."
I agree 100%, that is simply how it is. No Holy Spirit anywhere to be discerned.
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Vidiot
Vidiot 2 days ago

According to anecdotal evidence, there is a (non-GB) "board of directors" on the corporate side of the WT.
OrphanCrow's research has suggested who some of these men may be.
If anyone really is pulling the GB's strings, you'll probably find them there.
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Crazyguy
Crazyguy 2 days ago
I have to agree with vidiot. When the changes started happening a couple of years ago esspecially about money it makes it seem obvious to me.
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 2 days ago

I think they are pulling their own strings to keep the Watchtower Publishing company financially fluent.
Spin over old doctrines if need be, deceive people to how much wealth the WTS has,
and then proclaim its all because of Jehovah's loving guidance .
Wash, rinse and repeat.

 

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Baron Benjamin Rothschild calls the shots.
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Directors[edit]
Current[edit]
◦Don Alden Adams, director since 2000, president since 2000
◦Danny L. Bland, director since 2000
◦William F. Malenfant, director since 2000, vice-president since 2000
◦Robert W. Wallen, director since 2000, vice-president since 2000
◦Philip D. Wilcox, director since 2000
◦John N. Wischuk, director since 2000
These people run the mothership regarding all financials of the business and you can read about the set-up on this link;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Bible_and_Tract_Society_of_Pennsylvania
Don Adams is one of, if not the longest serving witness out of the lot of them including the GB members who it appears are just seven puppets who front the cult. Don Adams is an interesting read... he seems to have held a very privileged position for a JW for a very long time. His brother is VP on another arm of the org. Apparently he likes to just zoom in and out about 5 times a year to the HQ. I'd love to know the size of his house and other details about his family connections but there's not much info at all online about him.
 
jookbeard
jookbeard a day ago
I would have thought the current board of non anointed members of the WB&T Society of Pennsylvania are very much a front again still for the financiers and legal team that are pulling the strings, Adams is almost 90, he is hardly going to be much of a proactive role in leadership, Malenfant and Wallen were long time members of the writing committee, I dont know much about the other three at all.
 

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A fresh look at Shunning
by Giordano 3 days ago 7 Replies latest 8 hours ago   watchtower beliefs
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I have always been opposed to the practice of Shunning especially for simple mistakes, especially when someone questions the 'truth' or the GB. Or elects to speak to a shunned family member or close friend. Or violates the Blood ban.
Even as a practicing JW I was uncomfortable with shunning.
An article caught my attention today on ritual sacrifice.

In much of the pre-modern world, ritual sacrifice was framed as necessary for the good of the society at large — the only way to guarantee, say, a plentiful harvest or success in war.
But the priests and rulers who sanctioned such killings may have had another motive, a new study suggests........... In other words, ritual killings helped keep the powerful in power and everyone else in check................
This finding supports the “social control hypothesis” of human sacrifice, the researchers said. This idea suggests that ritual killings are a way to terrorize people into submission, allowing the religious and political leaders (and in many cultures, those were one and the same) who ordered the killings to consolidate power unopposed............
Watts, a psychologist at the University of Auckland, wrote on his website..........
"People often claim that religion underpins morality,” Watts told Science. But he says his study illustrates how religious rituals like human sacrifice are often designed to serve someone other than the gods: “It shows how religion can be exploited by social elites to their own benefit.”
We have called shunning torture.......... we have called it unloving....a punishment.
Is it also a human sacrifice? After all aDF or DA person is considered living under a death sentence in the JW world........ is this practice which is supposed to come from a loving god nothing more then a barbaric symbolic ritual killing to make sure an organization keeps total control over their followers?
The full article is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/04/05/the-darker-link-between-ancient-human-sacrifice-and-our-modern-world/?hpid=hp_no-name_morning-mix-story-j%3Ahomepage%2Fstory






































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DesirousOfChange
DesirousOfChange 3 days ago

This idea suggests that ritual killings are a way to terrorize people into submission, allowing the religious and political leaders (and in many cultures, those were one and the same) who ordered the killings to consolidate power unopposed.......
This is exactly how JWs use the threat of disfellowshipping. However, you know it's true that the only reason they use disfellowshipping is because it's illegal for them to stone-to-death anyone they deem to be a "sinner".
Doc

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Giordano
Giordano 3 days ago

DOC I remember how earnest they sounded that because of man's law they could no longer stone.......... it was such a loss. What about Jesus flagging a crowd off with 'who can cast the first stone.'
They are out of their collective mind not to mention tone deaf in communicating their ideas.
 
berrygerry
berrygerry 2 days ago

Posted on another forum.

Rutherford was the originator of the value of martyrs, with his vitriolic letter to Hitler.
The WTS has always kept the value of martyrs in mind.
Today, it is most commonly seen with the Blood deaths, and with the sacrifice of family via shunning.
 
stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 2 days ago
The organisation has taken the concept of judging and sunning to a level far beyond anything that the Bible ever implied.Now people are shunned even if they are not formerly disfellowshiped or disassociated, but simply not up to a "spiritual standard" that the society outlines.
 Innuendo, slander and gossip create the perfect environment for witnesses to decide who they will accept...
 
Fisherman
Fisherman 2 days ago


After all a DF or DA person is considered living under a death sentence in the JW world........
I think that was is an old belief as is "spiritual leprosy" used to descibe DF. The JW refer to DF as a condition. But more accurately an unrepentant sinner because that is the only reason why anyone should be df. THe DF form s77 alludes to 777 or forgiving 77x 7.
From an objective position though, there should be some way to deal with lawbreakers in any society even in JW. DF like jail or punishment or a fine is an attempt to force a lawbreaker to comply and is it serves as a warning to deter others, otherwise you would foolishly have everyone doing whatever they wanted hurting themselves an others( based upon the related rules of conduct) without any fear of punishment.

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Vidiot
Vidiot 2 days ago

If the WTS ran a small country, I guarantee you that DFed individuals would be imprisoned or deported, and "apostates" would be sentenced to death without possibility of appeal or reprieve.
"Civilized", no?
 
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poopie 8 hours ago
Why not start a gofund me page for anti shunning billboard anyone one from Los angelas or ny or Chicago
 

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Sins that can burn your buns.
by James Mixon 3 days ago 9 Replies latest 2 days ago   watchtower bible
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If you are a believer what sins can send you to Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Lake of fire or
Second death??? In the OT there were many but what about the NT.
One web page listed 40 sins that can send you to hell.LOL
 
freemindfade
freemindfade 3 days ago

I hope not, or I am in deep shit!
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EyesOpenHeartBroken
EyesOpenHeartBroken 3 days ago

A list of sins is a futile exercise. Jesus made it clear what is important:
1.Love God
2. Love your neighbor
Actions are merely a manifestation of the heart's motivation.
When I was a JW, I thought the above might be too simplistic. Now that I've given myself the time to ponder this without the background "noise" of JW interpretation, I see that it is simple, not simplistic. Not that it is always easy to live by the law if love, but when practiced it is transcendent. "Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:8
To the OP--I'd wager there won't be burned buns. "God is love."
 
cofty
cofty 3 days ago

"God is love." - EOHB
So why does the natural world shriek otherwise?
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James Mixon
James Mixon 2 days ago

EyesOpen: "God is Love". What about one that practice sin, lets say the guy is committing adultery
and have a massive heart attack and die, his last act on this earth a sin, or someone who robbed a bank
got shot in the process and killed. A guy having sex with a sheep and die. The point their last act
before returning to dust a sin..
 
EyesOpenHeartBroken
EyesOpenHeartBroken 2 days ago

Cofty-not sure what you are asking.
James- I'm not the one to make the call on the folks you listed above. But I do believe a person who lives their life without a heart full of love departs from Gods love. And I don't believe in hellfire and damnation.
I have more thoughts, but I have a feeling you are not really interested. The OP was addressed to believers, but it seems I am the only non-atheist that wandered in.
Peace out.
 
cofty
cofty 2 days ago

Cofty-not sure what you are asking.
I'm questioning your assumption that god is love in view of the evidence from the natural world.
Why did god invent viruses that can wipe out thousands of people in a few weeks?
Why did he invent parasites that eat a child's eye from the inside?
Why is it that almost every animal that has ever lived has died horribly from starvation, predation, cold, parasites or disease?
Why did he design a world that would inevitably kill millions of its inhabitants in natural disasters?
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Jehalapeno
Jehalapeno 2 days ago
The more you embrace the Lord Jehalapeño, the more your buns will burn. Fear not. It is but a side effect of my unconditional spice.
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James Mixon 2 days ago

EyesOpen: I'm very interested in your thoughts. I'm not an atheist, not yet. I have had so many
discussions with ministers, my family are full of them they all believe hellfire or damnation.
But when I ask them a question that they can not answer their response, lets not discuss the
bible or they will tell me I will get back with you later.
The bible is never discussed when I'am around my non-JW family members(family gathering), but when they have a question
about the Bible they call me to see what I think.
Do you believe it's a sin to question the Bible?
 
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brandnew 2 days ago
Im with freemind.......i better put on my swimming trunks....cuz im headed for that lake o fire 😂😂😈
 

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how corrupt do you think they are?

if so, in what ways?

i've been compiling my own list and thoughts.

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Military service in Mexico and party affiliation in Malawi... Any letters from BOE?
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does anyone have a copy of a letter to the boe in mexico or malawi from the 80's/90's - (it can be in spanish or some other language) from back in those days regarding organizational policy and direction?

of course the cult teaches that it's a sin to be involved in politics and the military.

in mexico - every young man was expected to complete a year of military service.

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gb leadership
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who are leading the governing body?

who is in charge of them?

i don't mean the shareholders.

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Perry
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during the 20th century while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914, king of the north & south flip flops, 1975, "the generation that wouldn't pass away", etc.

; a number of actual prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

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maybe they can't help it?.

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.

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during the 20th century while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914, king of the north & south flip flops, 1975, "the generation that wouldn't pass away", etc.

; a number of actual prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

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i don't mean "we" as a species; i mean you and i as individuals.

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then when he studied nature through the lens of evolution - he found that nature contradicted evolution.. his big point came when he said - "imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the encyclopedia britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance.

so who could dna come by chance.".

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Sins that can burn your buns.
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if you are a believer what sins can send you to sheol, hades, gehenna, lake of fire or.

second death???

in the ot there were many but what about the nt.. one web page listed 40 sins that can send you to hell.lol.

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i have always been opposed to the practice of shunning especially for simple mistakes, especially when someone questions the 'truth' or the gb.

or elects to speak to a shunned family member or close friend.

or violates the blood ban.. even as a practicing jw i was uncomfortable with shunning.. an article caught my attention today on ritual sacrifice.

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“the soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (numbers 15:30).

according to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.

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i ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.. it was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time.

the question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the royal commission, as well as many other issues".. she quickly cut in and said "but why would you want to know these things?

its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!".

BluesBrother
Finkelstein
4thgen
15 hours ago
Luther bertrand
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So how do we start a Scholorship for JW and EXJW Students?
by Luther bertrand in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Child Abuse Issues
 a day ago
it is my contention that jw children are intellectually abused by being brainwashed to not have the choice of pursuing higher education.

so, how do we help these victims?

would a jw/exjw offer some help?

Wild_Thing
brandnew
betterdaze
21 hours ago
atomant
16
Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 a day ago
ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.

OUTLAW
baker
elderINewton
13 hours ago
iwasblind
6
JW TV April - more mind control rubbish
by iwasblind in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
hi it has been a while since i posted.

sorry this is a rant.. to be honest i have been on a journey - nearly faded but i won't elaborate until i can.. i just watched april's broadcast.

since when do we have "hollywood" style movie previews?

freemindfade
DATA-DOG
Listener
4 hours ago
freemindfade
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Politically Correct Wasteland
by freemindfade in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
this was a comment i made from another post, but i would like to hear some people discuss this.

i know the social justice warriors will scream i'm some sort of trump supporter for what i say even though i don't agree with his ideas and no i am not voting for him... i accept this is a go to for them.. i think we have fallen into a pc vacuum.. criticizing someones religion = racism!.

telling someone to not be so sensitive = misogyny!.

cofty
freemindfade
Landy
3 hours ago
thedepressedsoul
10
How Corrupt Is WT?
by thedepressedsoul in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 2 days ago
how corrupt do you think they are?

if so, in what ways?

i've been compiling my own list and thoughts.

atomant
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Famous quotes and statements that could have been said by members of the Governing Body
by Esse quam videri in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 7 hours ago
1] on the waterfront by terry  "... i coulda had class.

i coulda been a contender.

i coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what i am, let's face it..."

elbib
According to the Bible, GB is committing an unforgivable sin
by elbib in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 8 hours ago
“the soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (numbers 15:30).

according to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.

1) “high-handedness” is something that jws themselves silently experience from jb, hence require no witness or proof.

opusdei1972
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The two elders threaten my sister again
by opusdei1972 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 11 hours ago
as i reported here in this forum, some time ago, my sister was constantly harried by two elders so as to be submitted to a judiciary committee for apostasy.

these two elders were constantly hounding her in the street when she walks to go to her job.

so she had to send them a notary letter in which she wrote that she would attend the judiciary committee only with her attorney.

Landy
kairos
GoneAwol
an hour ago
atomant
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Would you be a GB member if you were asked ?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 12 hours ago
off course you need to think back to when you were a jw to answer this question honestly and properly.but hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a gb member would you have taken on the position?and if you did what changes would you recommend ?.

j.

Finkelstein
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atomant
3 hours ago
Finkelstein
Thought Provoking Documentary " The Unbelievers " worthy to see.
by Finkelstein in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Bible Research & Study Articles
 18 hours ago
there was film documentary produced in 2013 by noted physicist lawrence krauss and evolutionary biologist richard dawkins.. i thought i would post a link for folks here to have view of this documentary and perhaps offer some your own personal opinions of the film and its content.. http://putlocker.is/watch-the-unbelievers-online-free-putlocker.html.

stuckinarut2
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"But WHY would you want to know those things??"
by stuckinarut2 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Bible Research & Study Articles
 a day ago
i ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.. it was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time.

the question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the royal commission, as well as many other issues".. she quickly cut in and said "but why would you want to know these things?

its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!".

BluesBrother
Finkelstein
4thgen
15 hours ago
Luther bertrand
5
So how do we start a Scholorship for JW and EXJW Students?
by Luther bertrand in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Child Abuse Issues
 a day ago
it is my contention that jw children are intellectually abused by being brainwashed to not have the choice of pursuing higher education.

so, how do we help these victims?

would a jw/exjw offer some help?

Wild_Thing
brandnew
betterdaze
21 hours ago
atomant
16
Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.

OUTLAW
baker
elderINewton
13 hours ago
iwasblind
6
JW TV April - more mind control rubbish
by iwasblind in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
hi it has been a while since i posted.

sorry this is a rant.. to be honest i have been on a journey - nearly faded but i won't elaborate until i can.. i just watched april's broadcast.

since when do we have "hollywood" style movie previews?

freemindfade
DATA-DOG
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4 hours ago
freemindfade
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Politically Correct Wasteland
by freemindfade in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 2 days ago
this was a comment i made from another post, but i would like to hear some people discuss this.

i know the social justice warriors will scream i'm some sort of trump supporter for what i say even though i don't agree with his ideas and no i am not voting for him... i accept this is a go to for them.. i think we have fallen into a pc vacuum.. criticizing someones religion = racism!.

telling someone to not be so sensitive = misogyny!.

cofty
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After death
by Willie647 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 3 days ago
i'm not a born in but my parents became jws when i was about 3 years old.

i left at 18 after i was accused of having sex with my future wife.

truth is we hadn't done anything remotely close.

Willie647
Willie647
karter
a day ago
Terry
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IS DOUBT always an indication of moral failure---FAITH vs. DOUBT?
by Terry in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 3 days ago
is doubt always an indication of moral failure-- faith vs. doubt?.

human survival depends upon a rigorous balance between perception and the means of testing first impressions.

nature’s own test is that of eater and eaten.. inside the food chain, predators blend with their surrounding habitat.

Phizzy
Terry
Finkelstein
11 hours ago
prologos
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Wt "study" Participation, is it a "True Believer" Indication?-- or not?
by prologos in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 3 days ago
in our congregation, the elders rarely comment.

the majority rarely comment, 2 sisters, vehemently, and often comment.

since in their case, it can not possibly be" teaching in the congregation", is participation in the wt "study"in general an affirmation of faith?

xjwsrock
stuckinarut2
prologos
2 days ago
DATA-DOG
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Richard C B, this ones for you.
by DATA-DOG in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 3 days ago
this is not an attack, just answer the questions.

1) are you an active jw?

2) http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/275576/active-jws-can-you-defend-truth?page=1.

SecretSlaveClass
DATA-DOG
DATA-DOG
3 days ago
defender of truth
7
Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don't: Religious Shunning and the free exercise clause
by defender of truth in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 3 days ago
the following link is to a pdf file found on the penn law legal scholarship repository website.. " the penn law legal scholarship repository is the institutional repository of the university of pennsylvania law school.

its purpose is to collect and preserve the scholarly output of penn law.

http://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/.

Skedaddle
Giordano
defender of truth
16 hours ago
Richard C B
18
Are you people the Watchtower?
by Richard C B in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 3 days ago
×close are you people 'the watchtower'?.

no - we're an independent community site offering support for both current and former jehovah's witnesses and anyone else who has been affected by the beliefs, doctrines and practices of the jehovah's witness religion as governed by the watch tower bible and tract society (wtb&ts).. we are not affiliated with the wtb&ts in any way and we take your privacy and security very seriously doing our utmost to protect your identity and provide a friendly, tolerant and informative environment where you can ask questions, share information and make new friends.

membership is completely free and anonymous so why not join toda.

punkofnice
tim3l0rd
Vidiot
3 days ago
Richard C B
73
organization obsesion
by Richard C B in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 3 days ago
why are you guys so obsessed with organizations?

there has to be order in the world and organised people!

steve2
NeverKnew
SecretSlaveClass
3 days ago
Hecce
9
As a JW: major personal blunders
by Hecce in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 4 days ago
to make mistakes is human, to make mistakes dictated by faith is also human but foolish.

i am pretty sure that as jws we all have made decisions that later on we regretted, in some cases they have been minor and in others they had profound effect in our life; major items were like blood and education related.

i am going to post one decision that was a major disaster for the person involved and if you know of something similar please contribute.. in a spanish speaking country where "machismo" was the norm and it was common for a man to have several mistresses, there was a sister married to a wealthy man and they had four children.

Hecce
bafh
Hecce
3 days ago
Terry
8
FREE AGENTS without responsibility
by Terry in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 4 days ago
i was 11 years old and i was sitting at my desk in homeroom class when the student on my left, gregory, tapped me on my shoulder.. he held a folded note in his hand and was gesturing for me to take it.

he leaned toward my desk and whispered barely loud enough for me to hear,“pass this note to robbie.” robbie was the girl sitting on my right.. i took the note, unfolded it and read it just as gregory punched my arm.

a shout-whisper came along with the fist, “don’t read it, you moron!”i picked up my pencil and scribbled one word of my own and passed the note to robbie.. i had a crush on robbie and so did gregory bunn.

atomant
LV101
Terry
3 days ago
elbib
16
How much do you think GB enjoy their lives?
by elbib in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 4 days ago
many who have watched the gb know that they seem to be desperate to be admired, to be looked up to…….

now the question arises—do they really enjoy their lives?

does their superiority complex make them feel good?.

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According to the Bible, GB is committing an unforgivable sin
by elbib in Watchtower Society / JW.org
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 8 hours ago
“the soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (numbers 15:30).

according to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.

1) “high-handedness” is something that jws themselves silently experience from jb, hence require no witness or proof.

atomant
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Would you be a GB member if you were asked ?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 12 hours ago
off course you need to think back to when you were a jw to answer this question honestly and properly.but hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a gb member would you have taken on the position?and if you did what changes would you recommend ?.

j.

Finkelstein
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atomant
3 hours ago
atomant
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Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.

OUTLAW
baker
elderINewton
13 hours ago
iwasblind
6
JW TV April - more mind control rubbish
by iwasblind in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
hi it has been a while since i posted.

sorry this is a rant.. to be honest i have been on a journey - nearly faded but i won't elaborate until i can.. i just watched april's broadcast.

since when do we have "hollywood" style movie previews?

freemindfade
DATA-DOG
Listener
4 hours ago
freemindfade
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Politically Correct Wasteland
by freemindfade in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
this was a comment i made from another post, but i would like to hear some people discuss this.

i know the social justice warriors will scream i'm some sort of trump supporter for what i say even though i don't agree with his ideas and no i am not voting for him... i accept this is a go to for them.. i think we have fallen into a pc vacuum.. criticizing someones religion = racism!.

telling someone to not be so sensitive = misogyny!.

cofty
freemindfade
Landy
3 hours ago
Billzfan23
5
Military service in Mexico and party affiliation in Malawi... Any letters from BOE?
by Billzfan23 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
does anyone have a copy of a letter to the boe in mexico or malawi from the 80's/90's - (it can be in spanish or some other language) from back in those days regarding organizational policy and direction?

of course the cult teaches that it's a sin to be involved in politics and the military.

in mexico - every young man was expected to complete a year of military service.

stuckinarut2
Billzfan23
SafeAtHome
a day ago
faithnomore
8
Science vs Religion - All in the brain? New study...
by faithnomore in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
maybe they can't help it?.

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.

faithnomore
elbib
BluesBrother
2 days ago
cofty
3
Evolution is a Fact #33 - A Tale about Tails
by cofty in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
humans are classified as apes.. apes don't have tails.. except when they do.. we used to have tails.

i don't mean "we" as a species; i mean you and i as individuals.

we all had tails.. embryologists divide the development of a human embryo into 23 "carnegie stages" based on multiple physical features.

atomant
cofty
cofty
2 days ago
Giordano
7
A fresh look at Shunning
by Giordano in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 3 days ago
i have always been opposed to the practice of shunning especially for simple mistakes, especially when someone questions the 'truth' or the gb.

or elects to speak to a shunned family member or close friend.

or violates the blood ban.. even as a practicing jw i was uncomfortable with shunning.. an article caught my attention today on ritual sacrifice.

Fisherman
Vidiot
poopie
8 hours ago
Willie647
16
After death
by Willie647 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 3 days ago
i'm not a born in but my parents became jws when i was about 3 years old.

i left at 18 after i was accused of having sex with my future wife.

truth is we hadn't done anything remotely close.

Willie647
Willie647
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Esse quam videri
Famous quotes and statements that could have been said by members of the Governing Body
by Esse quam videri in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 7 hours ago
1] on the waterfront by terry  "... i coulda had class.

i coulda been a contender.

i coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what i am, let's face it..."

elbib
According to the Bible, GB is committing an unforgivable sin
by elbib in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 8 hours ago
“the soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (numbers 15:30).

according to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.

1) “high-handedness” is something that jws themselves silently experience from jb, hence require no witness or proof.

atomant
9
Would you be a GB member if you were asked ?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 12 hours ago
off course you need to think back to when you were a jw to answer this question honestly and properly.but hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a gb member would you have taken on the position?and if you did what changes would you recommend ?.

j.

Finkelstein
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atomant
3 hours ago
atomant
16
Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.

OUTLAW
baker
elderINewton
13 hours ago
iwasblind
6
JW TV April - more mind control rubbish
by iwasblind in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
hi it has been a while since i posted.

sorry this is a rant.. to be honest i have been on a journey - nearly faded but i won't elaborate until i can.. i just watched april's broadcast.

since when do we have "hollywood" style movie previews?

freemindfade
DATA-DOG
Listener
4 hours ago
freemindfade
40
Politically Correct Wasteland
by freemindfade in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
this was a comment i made from another post, but i would like to hear some people discuss this.

i know the social justice warriors will scream i'm some sort of trump supporter for what i say even though i don't agree with his ideas and no i am not voting for him... i accept this is a go to for them.. i think we have fallen into a pc vacuum.. criticizing someones religion = racism!.

telling someone to not be so sensitive = misogyny!.

cofty
freemindfade
Landy
3 hours ago
Billzfan23
5
Military service in Mexico and party affiliation in Malawi... Any letters from BOE?
by Billzfan23 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
does anyone have a copy of a letter to the boe in mexico or malawi from the 80's/90's - (it can be in spanish or some other language) from back in those days regarding organizational policy and direction?

of course the cult teaches that it's a sin to be involved in politics and the military.

in mexico - every young man was expected to complete a year of military service.

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maybe they can't help it?.

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.

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humans are classified as apes.. apes don't have tails.. except when they do.. we used to have tails.

i don't mean "we" as a species; i mean you and i as individuals.

we all had tails.. embryologists divide the development of a human embryo into 23 "carnegie stages" based on multiple physical features.

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i have always been opposed to the practice of shunning especially for simple mistakes, especially when someone questions the 'truth' or the gb.

or elects to speak to a shunned family member or close friend.

or violates the blood ban.. even as a practicing jw i was uncomfortable with shunning.. an article caught my attention today on ritual sacrifice.

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dubstepped 15 hours ago

Our last conversation was him yelling at me because I "loved the gays". Translation, I pointed out that nobody chooses their sexuality. Anyway. I've been shunned since DAing last September, and really for a year or so after visiting my DF'ed brother.
So I get a call this morning from mom that he's in hospice, and one last chance to see him. I made sure that he actually wanted to see me. Anyway, we went and it was nice. My mom told me it would go however I wanted. She ran off other JWs and may have lost a friend over it, just so we could see him. The conversations went well, and I said goodbye and that I loved him for the first time I can remember. Everyone should die with dignity.
Anyway, the real point of this is to point out how absurd shunning is, something I pointed out to my mom. So we can come today, and whenever we want until he passes, and hang out and laugh, and even have hospic workers comment on the love on the room, but once he dies we're effectively dead too. How insanely freaking stupid is that. I made sure to point out that it was hard to get called in from shunning to pitch relief in the bottom of the 9th. It's crazy how they turn relationships on and off at will.
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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 15 hours ago

A high controlling Org.
Sorry.
DY
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FayeDunaway
FayeDunaway 14 hours ago

I'm glad you had a positive experience with him. That's important. You don't want your last memory of him to be him yelling at you.I'm sorry, dubstepped.
(You have a cool name by the way)
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Hecce
Hecce 14 hours ago

Sorry about your dad and I admire your human quality.
Regards
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Lostwun
Lostwun 13 hours ago

Dub I just want to offer my sincere condolences for what you are going through right now. I'm sorry your father is not doing well.
I am glad that you were at least afforded the opportunity to speak to him and relay your love.
I do hope your mom and family see the ridiculousness behind the whole shunning matter and loosen up on their stance. Maybe by what they have done already by removing all the jw's so you could visit your father is a sign that they could be at least be seeing the stupidity of leaving you out of family matters.
You guys are in my thoughts and prayers during this time. Keep strong man. HUGS!!!
Lost
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millie210
millie210 12 hours ago

Dear Dub,
I think what you said about being called in to pitch at the bottom of the ninth was so well put. That is just so true isnt it?
With that said, the fact that the hospice caregivers commented on the love in the room says so much about you and your character.
Lots of good thoughts to you as you go through this with your family. :heart:
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dubstepped
dubstepped 11 hours ago

Thanks my fellow aposta-peeps. It's such a messed up situation. My brother has been shunned for 13-15 years? and I let him know what was going on. He'd have to fly in if he was to come, and he's so torn about it all.
I do know one thing. No way would I go to a memorial service at a KH for him. My saying goodbye today was the end of the road. My brother won't go to a JW memorial either. There are certain brothers at my parents' congregation that would leave on stretchers if they were their snarky selves to me, and I couldn't stand to listen to their marketing pitch under the guise of being about my dead dad.
It was nice to be included. I respect my mom wholeheartedly for her handling of this. She tried to forbid brothers from stopping by to make sure that what energy dad had left went to his family. Of course, some brothers came anyway because they have no boundaries. But mom has always been her own person. She'll either wake up through this experience or she'll hold on even tighter to her dubdom.
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FayeDunaway
FayeDunaway 11 hours ago
It sounds like you are definitely going to have a semblance of a relationship with your mom at the end of this. But how sad if she doesn't, and loses two sons to the crazy religion. Maybe you can let her know you didn't disassociate yourself from HER, just the religion, and you will always love her and be there for her and she can reach out to you anytime.
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under the radar
under the radar 6 hours ago

I'm so sorry to hear about your dad, dubstepped. I was with both my parents when they entered hospice, my mom in 2007 and my dad in 2010. Certain family members decided on their own to start shunning me (to varying degrees) after my mom passed. They didn't interfere with my spending the nights in dad's room (so he'd never be alone) and we had normal conversations about his condition and planning for how to handle things afterward. However, when it came to his memorial service, I was warned not to show up at the gathering afterwards for the "friends" or there would be a scene. I decided to let them wallow in their piety and self-righteousness in peace.
I'm very glad your mom is clearing the path for you to spend some time with your dad. That's very classy of her. I hope you can maintain a close relationship with her after this is over. She's gonna need you, whether she realizes it or not.
Stay strong, my friend.
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DS: Your humanity shines as a morning star to say that the brightest star the sun is on its way.
 

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berrygerry
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Complete class on your part.
Losing a parent is a forever moment.
Your actions will bring you solace for decades to come.
Respect.

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There is no doubt in my mind that your visit brought him some peace. It seems to have done that for you. All the best Dubby.

 

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our last conversation was him yelling at me because i "loved the gays".
translation, i pointed out that nobody chooses their sexuality.
i've been shunned since daing last september, and really for a year or so after visiting my df'ed brother.



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JW_Rogue
JW_Rogue 3 days ago

Saw this while browsing through the Good News brochure:



Is it any wonder people aren't listening to JWs anymore? What an absolutely delusional scene! A 17th century sailor comes into the truth, shaves his beard (apparently beards will still be bad in the new order), and befriends a mandarin speaking Chinese man. LOL This picture sums up the new WT style, nothing is too ridiculous to say or illustrate. They are targeting those with child like intellects ready to believe anything and everything.
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OnTheWayOut
OnTheWayOut 3 days ago
The hidden subliminal message is that all people who died before the Great Tribulation can have an opportunity to be resurrected and learn "the truth." So you all better stay in "the truth" in case the Great Tribulation comes in your lifetime, and then you can see those loved ones who died already. This message takes on more and more importance as everyone dies "in this system of things" when the Great Tribulation continues to delay.



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prologos
prologos 3 days ago
not only the body, limited mind, but also the regalia will be faithfully reproduced. I wonder about the voice, is it a bass-tenor or a soprano, like a eunuch would have? good learner though instantly speaking mandarin? and lots of sailboats. but where are the sailplanes? doing aerobatics?
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Esse quam videri
Esse quam videri 3 days ago
Let's get one thang strait. Those resurected folks are all go'in to be 'buck nekad'.

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Village Idiot
Village Idiot 3 days ago
I remember illustrations of happy parents coming to greet their resurrected child clutching clothes in their hands with which to dress him. So, I wonder, are these resurrected ones going to pop in already clothed or will there be tailors in the New Order (tm) with just the right information required to get the recent arrivals dressed up according to their custom?
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OneEyedJoe
OneEyedJoe 3 days ago
They drew a picture of it so it must be true!
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NVR2L8
NVR2L8 3 days ago
These illustrations are conceived so the JWs can visualize their hope but they're meaningless and strange for those outside the cult. Without an explanation a normal person wouldn't be able to figure it out.
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prologos
prologos 3 days ago
Prologos: "--eunuchs--but where are the sailplanes? doing aerobatics? It is biblical! : "- those hoping in Jehovah (resurrection) will regain power (to live) They will mount up with wings like eagles.--" hot air (thermals) rising from wt.
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LevelThePlayingField
LevelThePlayingField 3 days ago
I can't believe that they actually took the beard of that guy. For what reason?! There's not one good reason at all. Wait, yes there is, it serves the Watchtowers purpose.
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Alive!
Alive! 3 days ago

So.....
A JW friend at her non JWs father's funeral ( none of her family are JWs) followed her non-JW siblings' heart felt speeches about their love for their Dad, Mother and family life at the funeral by saying that she can't wait to meet her Father in the resurrection, and that she has kept his golf clubs in happy anticipation of seeing him again and playing golf with Dad in the resurrection she went onto give a full on 'witness' - this in the presence of a grieving non JW family and in opposition to the direct desire of her non- JW Father that his funeral should be entirely secular.
I felt she absolutely trespassed and trampled over decency....just my take.
Nothing spiritual going on there - just material cravings.....strangely her 'moment' of glory in terms of giving a witness at her non JW s father funeral somehow failed to grab the attention of 'truth seekers'.
By the way, she isn't a nut case but a very able, high money earning professional.
Believe me....so crazy.
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Virran
Virran 3 days ago
Ansolutley insane. The old corps is coming back with near as new pirate clothes?? And then he needs to convert into modern day clothes? Why? Would Jehovah kill him if he didn't? Their god must be so shallow. Heck, if I had been dead and buried for hundreds and hundreds of years and get resurrected the last thing on my mind would be dress code.
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OUTLAW
OUTLAW 3 days ago

........................................Image result for Watchtower logo
..................................................Image result for twisted fairy tales logo
.

..........After I Die.....I`ll Become a JW..
.....Then Talk to a Strange Chinese Guy..................................We Just Make Shit Up..

Who Won`t Understand a Word I`m Saying..............JW`s Will Believe Anything!......LOL!!..

.......Image result for 17th century sailor.............Image result for JW.org broadcasting
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compound complex
compound complex 3 days ago

The newly risen man is loyally directing other resurrected ones to Jehovah's organization.
Somehow, I was never taught this heartwarming truth as a little boy when attending Methodist Sunday School in the 1950s. Back then, it was all about Jesus . . .
CoCo
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Listener
Listener 3 days ago
There's going to be an awful lot of manufacturing of razors and costumes in the New Order......oh, and golf sets.
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bafh
bafh 3 days ago

Can I just say I don't understand their obsession with facial hair? Supposedly God created humans with hair, all over, including their face. So, what is the big effing deal?
Sigh.

BAFH
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sir82
sir82 3 days ago

Awfully nice of Jehovah to sew up an 18th century naval uniform for him.
I wonder if they gave him the same rank?
Would be nice of them to promote him to captain or admiral or something before he is forced to shave his beard. Give him one day of happiness before he submits to the drudgery of doing virtually nothing other than conducting "Bible studies" for the next 900 years.

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punkofnice
punkofnice 3 days ago

Truly weird. Are the watchtower writers and artists tripping on something?
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Alive!
Alive! 3 days ago

Guess Pirates are kind of hip for kids...there was yet another illustration in a publication showing a child teaching a resurrected pirate somewhere ....darn, can't remember where it was....
See, stuff like this raises my awareness regarding 'selling' a faith, seeking to appeal to a kid's world - suppose a real pirate is more exciting.....they've used this character more than once...someone in the writing department thinks 'Pirates' sell the goods, appeals to kids....and they would be right.
So, even if you don't believe in Christ - you can see how this sure isn't about appealing to the heart re Christ....it's about adventure, The cool fun of meeting a pirate in the 'new system' -
And they sneer at Christendom........
Man, I'm tired.....just glad I don't feel compelled to deliver their Disney hype anymore, they cheapen the glory.
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jookbeard
jookbeard 3 days ago
the insanity continues , I wonder if the jw's who survived into the new world will be teaching these newly resurrected ones about the life in the "old world" where they covered up child abuse,allowed many many thousands to die for not accepting blood in medical emergencies,the amount of familes they destroyed through shunning,United Nations membership, gambling on the Stock Markets etc? oh of course they will all have their memories erased by anti matter !
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stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 3 days ago
WELL SAID jookbeard!!
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Diogenesister 3 days ago

and lots of sailboats. but where are the sailplanes? doing aerobatics?
Do you remember, pro logos, that other barmy illustration?they are going to arrive gracefully in white sailing boats! Presumably he's telling that crowd of n'er do wells about his resurrection experience!
forget clawing their way out of the cold, hard earth butt naked and smelly as in my over active childhood imagination!
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Darkknight757
Darkknight757 3 days ago
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
Genesis 3:21 | NIV
According to the bible, God will make clothes for everyone when they come back in the ressurection. No tailors needed. Whats cool is apparently God will continue his hatred for animals in the "New World" considering he made clothes out of skin back in Adumbs time!!!! So watch out you stupid animals, even in paradise God will kill you!!
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Darkknight757
Darkknight757 3 days ago
That is unless he makes those clothes of the foreskin of those he slaughters at the big A.🤔
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prologos
prologos 3 days ago
LevelThePlayingField: "I can't believe that they actually took the beard of that guy. They did not, his beard fell out by itself (resurrection chemo). A beard is a result of male hormones , and since in the resurrection there will no male or female , no marriage, even if initially a man would appear similar to as he died, to authenticate his personality, like the sailor and his taylor, all New World Raisers will settle in quickly to the "children of the resurrection". mold. No beard, no pubic hair, resurrection = no erection.
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punkofnice
punkofnice 3 days ago
the subliminal 'no beard' rule is evident(tm) in this lairy illustration. also, are they intimating they're converting China to the cult too? Wow, such expansion now taking place(tm).
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pixel
pixel 3 days ago


shaves his beard (apparently beards will still be bad in the new order)
I don't get this WT obsession with beards.

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stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 3 days ago
Yes, the very concept of living forever falls apart with just a little speck of logical thinking....
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Lostandfound
Lostandfound 3 days ago
Resurrection seems to be a bit like arriving at an airport where befOre you are free to go you have to see customs, "anything to declare ..?" "no beards beyond this point"
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Naoscillator
Naoscillator 3 days ago
This illustration is in the brochure released at the 2012 convention. A Bethelite sister (who actually has a "good" job at Bethel) remarked, "oh, look. They made him shave." Interesting choice of words I thought.
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moomanchu
moomanchu 3 days ago

What's he doing with the toy sailboat in the pic with the group of people.
Describing how he died?
At least the bros don't have to wear ties in the new system.
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I'm just glad the Resurrected one came to his senses and cut his LONG SIDEBURNS!


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Naoscillator
Naoscillator 3 days ago
Also dig the fact that his appearance has only been updated to about 1970.
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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 3 days ago

Just a peaceful, beautiful delusion.... What a nice daydream.😎
DY
 
Vidiot
Vidiot 3 days ago


pixel - "I don't get this WT obsession with beards."
The WT leadership doesn't want their male membership to look too attractive. :smirk:
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sparky1 3 days ago



Dr. Stephen Maturin: The seas are rough Captain. I hope there isn't much loss of life!
Captain Jack Aubrey: Where is your faith, man? There's always the resurrection! 
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WingCommander
WingCommander 3 days ago

For some reason, this young "Sailor" reminds me more of young Joseph Smith, AKA: The founder of Mormonism.
 
 
Diogenesister
Diogenesister 3 days ago
Russell crowe isn't half the man our sailor is with those puny sideboards!!!!
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Diogenesister
Diogenesister 3 days ago

Talking about separated at birth, does anyone notice the resemblance between Russell Crowe and a young Ray Franze...definitely from the same tribe.
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Darryl
Darryl 2 days ago

How many witnesses are there in China? How many of those are going to make it through? Of course we all know
everyone who's currently a witness is not going to make it. I mean one month of inactivity say you miss 3 weeks of
meetings in a row, the big A comes during that time you're a goner. Anyway how many people have died in that
country over the years? Hundreds of millions? Over a billion? It's going to be quite a task for the 50,000 or so (if
that...I really don't have any idea but I'm thinking it's not that many) to witness to all those people.
Maybe Jehovah will allow the internet to stay intact in order to reach and teach all the resurrected ones.
Perhaps there will still be electricity and televisions...not 70 inch plasmas of course don't want the "friends" to be
too materialistic but maybe small TV's for the sole purpose of explaining rules and regulations and setting up a
mandatory meeting scheddule
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brandnew
brandnew 2 days ago

Wow.....clothes that last forever....!!!!😨😨😨
Must be made by Levis or something 😂😂😂
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stuckinarut2 2 days ago
Darryl:
Perhaps there will still be electricity and televisions...not 70 inch plasmas of course don't want the "friends" to be too materialistic but maybe small TV's for the sole purpose of explaining rules and regulations and setting up a mandatory meeting schedule.
Haha, yes, that sounds just like the TV screens as portrayed in Orwell's 1984! Just so big-brother can keep an eye on everyone at every time....
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2+2=5
2+2=5 2 days ago

Pirates in the new system.
It's the Truth, silly.
 
Vidiot
Vidiot 2 days ago
I'd give my left arm to be able to resurrect Fred Franz and show him what's become of his legacy. :smirk:
 
steve2
steve2 2 days ago

Only your left arm? Can't want it too much then!
 

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Got a call, my dad is in hospice...
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our last conversation was him yelling at me because i "loved the gays".

translation, i pointed out that nobody chooses their sexuality.

i've been shunned since daing last september, and really for a year or so after visiting my df'ed brother.

zeb
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are there any ex jws out there from gloucester and or stroud congregations from the 70s or 80s.

?

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Information about an ex-elder from Farnborough
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this is directed to people in the uk, particularly from the south.

i heard of an experience of an elder in farnborough who was well known in the congregation, but faded away after the new generation teaching was introduced.

i never met him, but apparently he had a few bob about him and was high up in some financial institution.

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Feeling Jealous of True Believers
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what a simple life it is to be a true believer.

the cocksureness of people who never for a moment question their core beliefs is something i have come to envy.

it's altogether foreign, but it sure looks nice over on the other side.. why do some people step into the void of uncertainty while others do everything in their power never to even go near it?

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Feeling Betrayed?
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this is the way many of us feel no doubt: feeling like we have been betrayed by a faith that has hidden so much from its believers, and covered up some serious past and present teachings and practices.. and yet, we are the ones treated with disdain, contempt or suspicion due to fading from activity!.

simply amazing that we have had to make a conscious decision to stand up for what is right and not be a part of the organisation for genuine and sincere reasons.

and yet they slander us, malign us and make us look like the ones with the problem!.

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WT Resurrection Hope Absolutely Ridiculous As Illustrated In Their Publications
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saw this while browsing through the good news brochure:.

is it any wonder people aren't listening to jws anymore?

what an absolutely delusional scene!

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Last Night I was surrounded by Jehovah's Witnesses . . .
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last night was the "body viewing" at the funeral home for the jw whose friendship and influence resulted in my getting baptised in 1963. we weren't just friends.

we had a david & jonathan bromance :) no seriously, we loved each other dearly.. it's only in the last 2 years he shunned me.

before that, he would sneak behind the curtain of stealth, so to speak, and we'd sit for hours each and every week chatting, reminiscing and sometimes arguing about the truth about the "truth.".

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Terry
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The JW FUNERAL experience
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my best buddy is gone.

i attended his funeral this morning.. on thursday evening, i went to the body "viewing" and it was "family only.

" i am part of the family (through marriage) so, i was there.. i was welcomed with joy and enthusiasm like a long lost (prodigal) sheep.

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This Week's New Yorker Magazine
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the april 4th issue contains a very well-written and insightful article about the jws: "god's work" by kevin canty.

it's fiction, but on the money as far as the experience of an adolescent reconciling the beliefs with his natural biological urges.

boy, could i relate!

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Out on Facebook
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i am just venting because my sister has put on facebook that i am no longer "in the truth"!

i have kept a very low profile for years and have silently faded.

many witnesses i have bumped into are very friendly towards me, some from other congregations may not even be aware that i dont go anymore.

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