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Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
by atomant a day ago 16 Replies latest 11 hours ago   watchtower beliefs
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atomant a day ago
ld love to be a fly on the wall when the GB have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.The light was shining brightly that day.

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baker
baker a day ago
At least one of them knows that it is a man-made tale used to cover up another man-made tale that so many have fallen for.
 
James Mixon
James Mixon a day ago

Round table conference>> Morris "Ok brothers let's give thanks to Jehovah".
Snickering from a few of the GB members.
Morris: Ok Jackson what's so funny?
Jackson: Are you serious, Jehovah don't give a shit what we do.
Herd: Excuse you.
Lett: Hell I have a program, don't start that crap again Jackson. You screwed up
in Australia you dumb ass.
Sanderson: OK Brothers lets take it easy.
Morris: Who the hell are you.
Splane thinking: Man if the r&f could see us now.
Losch: Are we setting a date for the end times today, Jesus Christ let's get on with it.
I haven't taken my meds yet.
Morris: Did anyone take their meds this morning.
Everyone head for the door.
Just think this guys are making major decisions without their medication.
How did Morris know the Brothers didn't take their meds, Herd jumped up on
the table and pull his pants down and showed his ass.
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atomant
atomant a day ago
Yes well thats another thought considering the average age of the GB.What type of meds are they taking.Can the meds affect decision making.

 
James Mixon
James Mixon a day ago

Yes, I would love to see the GB take a insanity test. Questions from the test,
do you think that you are immortal? Have you ever had a meaningful conversation with a
inanimate object? Do you consider everybody except JW's as evil?
Do you believe God only speak to you?
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Listener
Listener a day ago

There is no bible backing for this idea and it is interesting to note how Splane tries to overcome this problem. In his 2015 JW Broadcasting monthly broadcast he says
Now if you were asked by someone to identify a scripture that tells us what a generation is, what scripture would you turn to? I'll give you a moment to think about that. My choice is Exodus Chapter 1 verse 6 "Joseph eventually dies and also all his brothers and all that generation"
Note that he takes it for granted that the listener accepts this new concept but then invites them to try and find a scripture themselves that backs it up. Basically what's happening here is that the concept must be accepted and a search in the scriptures is required to support it. This itself is a backwards way of thinking when you profess to use the bible as a basis of your teachings, letting the bible interpret itself. Rather what they have done is come up with the idea and manipulated what the bible is saying to fit that teaching.
Then he tells us that 'his choice' is Exodus 1:6 and proceeds to try to make it fit to the idea. He's a GB member that supposedly collaborated with the other members to come up with this interpretation (or at the very least, supported the majority vote in accepting it) and yet when it comes to supporting it with scripture, he uses a text which is his own choice.
The bottom line is, the r&f must accept the idea but they are allowed to come up with or twist any scripture of their choice to make it fit. Brilliant, especially when there is no such scripture.
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Ucantnome
Ucantnome a day ago
As there are people who are still alive who were alive in 1914 I dont know why they need an overlapping generation idea. As they do need this idea I can only think that they know the end isn't that close and changes take time so maybe they are doing their best to make changes which seem big but not as big as where they need to get to and so are just doing their job trying to protect peoples faith while correcting the past.
 
jookbeard
jookbeard a day ago
I keep hearing that there is one of them just going along with the scam and who knows its all a fraud,is it Herd?
 
fulano
fulano a day ago

Someone must have heard about economic OLG
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlapping_generations_model

 
SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass 20 hours ago
I don't believe for a moment any of them believe their bullshit. Certainly if GJ really believed or had faith in the fact that he was one of Jokehovah's chosen he wouldn't have hesitated confirming it to the ARC. After all, if you firmly believe or have faith that you are one of Dog's chosen, why would you be afraid to answer to the affirmative before mere mortals when you have the Alpha and Omega on your side? Then you have Tight Pants Tony going on about .... tight pants. Even the political in fighting during Franz's tenure proves it's a man made power game. Yes folks, it's all about the power. complete, unadulterated megalomania.
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by atomant a day ago 16 Replies latest 11 hours ago   watchtower beliefs
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DesirousOfChange 15 hours ago

I don't believe for a moment any of them believe their bullshit.
I've only met one of the present members of the GB, but had met and had discussions with a couple who have since died. I feel that they were definitely sincere in their beliefs and what they were doing and the "role" they had been "assigned".
Is it possible that they are/were that delusional? Yes.
I base that on the fact that I, too, was that delusional for many, many years.
I admit though that at least a few of them now must be wondering why their magic Holy Spirit communication system is failing them so badly. Isn't is obvious to all of us, and hopefully some who are still "in", that the GB has painted them selves into a corner and there is no good way out. They would probably like to dig up F Franz and choke him since he is said to be responsible for all these pearls of wisdom about the generation and the End Times failed forecast, etc etc.
Now the GB 2.0 is left holding the bag looking like dumbasses and trying to find their way out without getting wet paint on their feet.
Doc

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sparky1
sparky1 14 hours ago

"Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?' - atomant
Your answer is contained in your question. It is THE JOB of the Governing Baboons to be MASTER MANIPULATORS.
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SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass 12 hours ago

DOC:
many a used car salesman are masters at portraying sincerity too. Judging character at their words and face value is how we get trapped in cults to begin with. Paying attention to them outside their comfort zone or how they change their story .... now that's a long term assessment offering interesting conclusions.
 
freemindfade
freemindfade 12 hours ago

I don't honestly believe they have any kind of grand scheme.
I think its more like this when a cult/movement/idea takes on a life of its own.



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OUTLAW
OUTLAW 11 hours ago


Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
Does anybody outside the JW`s ..
Really believe people like Stephen Lett are in Charge of the Watchtower??!!..
.

................* Why Am I Here?*...............................................*Uh-Oh!*
............*Did I have Breakfast?*.........................*I Don`t Think That was a Fart*

Image result for Watchtower stephen Lett...Image result for Watchtower stephen Lett
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baker
baker 11 hours ago
An Analogy I think of is when you get an invitation to go get a nice gift, but you have to listen to a timeshare pitch. You say to your partner, were only here to get the free gift, but as you listen to the BS, you get sucked into the half truths they are spouting and buy into the timeshare. Later on, you wake up and realize you've been had. Good thing they give you a 3 day recension period to back out.
 
elderINewton
elderINewton 11 hours ago

Too funny outlaw!!
If they didn't believe it, they likely would not keep hammering or doubling down on control. They are afraid to loose what they have. If you had everyone else telling you were the King of Saipan, over time you'd likely believe it as well.
Delusion goes multiple directions.

 

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ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.



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So how do we start a Scholorship for JW and EXJW Students?
by Luther bertrand a day ago 5 Replies latest 19 hours ago   watchtower child-abuse
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Luther bertrand
Luther bertrand a day ago
It is my contention that JW children are intellectually abused by being brainwashed to not have the choice of pursuing higher education. So, how do we help these victims? Would a JW/EXJW offer some help? If so, how do we get one set up?
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AnneB a day ago
"We" don't do anything. If *you* want to do something then do it, it's your contention.

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Skedaddle
Skedaddle a day ago
While it's a lovely idea Luther, I would think it would make more sense to attack the anti-education policy of the org. We need a cure not a medicine for just the symptom. Maybe you can look into charities that are already working in this field and get some advice from them. Maybe a complaint to the child protection services or a petition? There's more accomplished by making the community aware of what it means to be a JW child. Or maybe you can look into government funding for some kind of foundation charity to help these kids?
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Wild_Thing
Wild_Thing a day ago

I would love to see this happen! I don't see how this can happen realistically. Most JWs and exJWs are not exactly wealthy, and many even lean toward poverty's edge.
It has always been a dream of mine to win it big and hit the lottery jackpot so I could set up a recurring full ride scholarship for ex-JWs and one for current JWs. I realize its just a dream, but its one I still hold on to.
Tight Pants Tony is correct about one thing, Pursuing higher education will make you want to leave the org. It's amazing what a little education can do! Like the public service commercial says ... the more you know!



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brandnew
brandnew a day ago
Watchtower would pursuade the jw kids to turn over any grant, or scholarship as a voluntary donation.
 
betterdaze
betterdaze 19 hours ago

Safe Passage Foundation set up pay-it-forward scholarships for those who were raised in cults that routinely violate the basic human rights of children.
What We Do
Scholarships
See also:
Freedom From Religion Foundation offers four student essay contests
Announced March 2016
Thousands of scholarship programs reward students for blind faith and orthodoxy, but hardly any reward students for using reason. Therefore, the Freedom From Religion Foundation is proud to announce its 2016 high school, college and graduate/mature student essay scholarship competitions, which offer more than $30,000 in total cash prizes.
More at link. For full rules, eligibility and deadlines, please click here.
Hat tip to JWN poster rebel8 for including links to both sites at Cult Prevention Advocacy Center.

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"But WHY would you want to know those things??"
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stuckinarut2 a day ago

I ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.
It was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time. The question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "Well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the Royal Commission, as well as many other issues".
She quickly cut in and said "But why would you want to know these things? Its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!"
It struck me how the average witness lives in ignorance...WILLFUL ignorance....
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zeb
zeb a day ago

Wilful ignorance and spirituality the strength and depth of Kleenex.
This is a person who has never discussed with anyone any cause, situation or art or background or profession out of their own thinking at all without instantly making a run for the wt box of quotes. Sadly, due to respect due to age they have influenced others to be as superficial.
So she pushed for a reason (in other words was nosy) and when she got it ran like the wind. Now she has something to tell the others and then further reflect on what the gb has said.
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kairos
kairos a day ago

Sounds like you met my wife...
---
I cannot explain or even comprehend how anyone with the internet can refuse to be educated.
I remember a short time ago someone suggested, when running into an active JW, to ask: "are you still a JW?"
When they say, "Of course!"
Our response would then be: "Don't you have the internet?"
---
I feel like a fool for avoiding research for so long.
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OUTLAW
OUTLAW a day ago


She quickly cut in and said "But why would you want to know these things? Its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!"
It struck me how the average witness lives in ignorance...WILLFUL ignorance....
.......................Image result for willful ignorance
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tiki
tiki 21 hours ago

Why would you want to know.....how about because you have a sense of justice and equity and have empathy for abuse victims.
But delusion must be a far more comfortable place. Deny the existence of reality so you don't get "upset". Pathetic.
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Diogenesister
Diogenesister 20 hours ago

So awkward when you meet kindly older ones who, at this point in their life, it wouldn't be that productive for them to leave ...exception to that being of course informing them about the ARC , as you did, cos the kids safety trumps even their needs as lonely old folk.
We have to keep telling them though, cos when the crap hits the fan, and it WILL, they will all turn around and say " BUT WHY DID NOBODY TELL US ABOUT ALL THIS!!"
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stephanie61092
stephanie61092 19 hours ago

That's how my first conversation with my only friend still in the org went (I posted about it the other week). When I told her my concerns with the society and the ARC, she hadn't heard about it and told me "ignorance is bliss; don't do too much research or you'll get overwhelmed."
I was so crushed when she told me that. however, it was nothing compared to the joy I felt when she told me that she had been researching the ARC and was getting upset at the society.
This person may be very elderly, but you never know what seed you could've planted. Maybe she will run with what you said and say to many others "oh, they told me they aren't coming to meetings because of some silly royal commission thing!" Someone with a little more free thinking may wonder "hmmm...what is the royal commission and why is it keeping someone from the meetings?"
You never know....
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SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass 19 hours ago
Because I'm not a mindless dolt.
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stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 18 hours ago

One can only hope others wake up. Yet, whatever they choose to do, we have used our "God given" intellect and brains to research facts.
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life is to short
life is to short 18 hours ago

I was told by an elder's wife that I think to much and that I try to understand things that I really should not.
I was just blown away and this was not by an old person this was by a women in her late 40's at the time and she was not a stupid person if you were to just met her. She actually came off as a real thinker.
I was just speechless.
LITS
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 17 hours ago

Part of the intent of putting a sheet of righteousness over oneself to repel any information that doesn't support that inherent appealing endeavor, even to uphold the righteousness of an entire organization as what the JWS are indoctrinated to do.

Look what the Catholics did for so many years in its covering up of child sexual abuse by its own clergy.
There is a ongoing social agenda by self described Christians (JWS) to create an outward presence of righteousness, look at us we are wholesome good responsible people, we are not like the rest of the evil worldly people.

Well that's the intent , pretentious as it may be, what comes out of most JWS is something quite the opposite .
 
TheListener
TheListener 16 hours ago

Kairos, I love the comment you made.
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Pete Zahut
Pete Zahut 16 hours ago

Why would you want to know?? Classic JW response, but most don't say it out loud or realize they are thinking it.
They often apply the scripture about "wanting their ears ticketed" to other religions. Seems to me they are no different.
On some level, people often want to be lied to and will go to great lengths to punish anyone who brings this to their attention.
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Doubtfully Yours
Doubtfully Yours 16 hours ago

Just like in my daily job, I let Management deal with their top issues, I mind my own personal level issues.
It truly is much better for the mental well being this way.
DY
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GrreatTeacher
GrreatTeacher 15 hours ago
Until management level issues become your issues, like when they're trying to improve the bottom line by laying you off.
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Terry
Terry 15 hours ago
Why would you want to know those things?
"If we choose to close our eyes we are choosing to live in darkness."
Hypocrisy is having one set of values for others and a different set of values for ourselves. If we go from house to door expecting others to listen to disturbing facts--why would we carve out such an exception for ourselves?
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BluesBrother
BluesBrother 15 hours ago

Its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!"
So she is afraid of having her faith shaken, afraid of becoming upset, can you imagine the can of worms that might open?
Much safer to close your mind to criticism, assume it is all vile apostate nonsense and continue happy in the cozy routine of meetings,service and coffee with "the friends"...Never mind that they are supposed to be teaching TRUTH ... A classic case of red pill v blue pill( I never watched The Matrix so I don't know which colour it was)
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 15 hours ago

The central point to why JWS are mostly dismissive to any wrong doings by the WTS leaders or what actually happens within the organization is that they have been deeply brainwashed into thinking that since this particular organization is being exclusively guided by Jehovah and is chosen organization, therefore its just a matter of time before his holy spirit will correct any apparent realized problem.
This delusion of course has been propagated and influenced by the very leaders of this organization for its continuing support .

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Because she likes it that way...


 

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i ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.. it was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time.
the question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the royal commission, as well as many other issues".. she quickly cut in and said "but why would you want to know these things?
its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!".



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Thought Provoking Documentary " The Unbelievers " worthy to see.
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There was film documentary produced in 2013 by noted physicist Lawrence Krauss and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins.
I thought I would post a link for folks here to have view of this documentary and perhaps offer some your own personal opinions of the film and its content.
http://putlocker.is/watch-the-unbelievers-online-free-putlocker.html

 

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Off course you need to think back to when you were a JW to answer this question honestly and properly.But hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a GB member would you have taken on the position?And if you did what changes would you recommend ?

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What? Do you think for one moment that I would sabotage the organization by becoming a GB member?

 
DesirousOfChange
DesirousOfChange 6 hours ago

Hell yes!
I love flying First Class to exotic places to deliver worthless, dull discourses that everyone will swoon over as they line up to kiss my. . . . ring(?) and get their selfie photo with me.
Doc

 
berrygerry
berrygerry 6 hours ago
If I get to choose the rest of the gang.

 
DATA-DOG
DATA-DOG 5 hours ago

Yep. I would report directly to Angus Stewart.
DD
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 5 hours ago

I have too much personal integrity to be a lying corrupt leader for a bogus religious publishing house.

 
James Mixon
James Mixon 5 hours ago

Heck yeah. You will be in the most holy place on the face of the earth if you believe
the BS...
 
Finkelstein
Finkelstein 5 hours ago

...........but then again I would have my hands on millions of dollars and get to travel all around the world getting my ass kissed wherever I go ........uummmm ????

 
Listener
Listener 3 hours ago
I think there would be a number of Elders who would not accept, but these are the ones that don't believe they are anointed as per the WT definition.
It takes a very delusional person to think that they have this 'special calling' above all other Christians and it is only them that could even be considered to be appointed a GB member.
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atomant
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Yes delusional just like the partakers at the memorial.

 

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As I reported here in this forum, some time ago, my sister was constantly harried by two elders so as to be submitted to a judiciary committee for apostasy. These two elders were constantly hounding her in the street when she walks to go to her job. So she had to send them a notary letter in which she wrote that she would attend the judiciary committee only with her attorney. After that, the elders stopped their actions, until now. Since two years ago she does not attend the meetings. However, today my sister called me, and she said that early in the morning, while going to work, suddenly in the street (again), the two same elders approached her and gave her a brochure ( she did not tell me which one), but my sister told them that she was very hurry, nevertheless, they told her that they are wanting her for attending a judiciary committee for the next Monday. She left them after saying that she wouldn't go. So, these stupid guys are striking back. I have told to my sister that she must report to the police that these two elders are stalking her.
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opusdei1972
opusdei1972 10 hours ago
May be the elders are now following new instructions coming from Bethel so as to hound "apostates" in the street.

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Diogenesister
Diogenesister 9 hours ago
This gives the lie to Geoffrey Jacksons' assertion during the ARC that Jehovah's Witnesses are free to leave the religion without harassment whenever they wish - that elders are not " policemen" to chase them down!!
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Hecce
Hecce 9 hours ago
Have her call the police on them right on the spot.
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Lost and adrift
Lost and adrift  9 hours ago
I tried writing a letter threatening to sue if they made any announcements about me etc...they did it anyway!
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opusdei1972
opusdei1972 9 hours ago
These elders need a lesson

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opusdei1972
opusdei1972 9 hours ago
Why didn't they disfellowship her until now? I don't understand...

 
Village Idiot
Village Idiot 9 hours ago
I think those elders are taking the case of your sister personally and want to give her the inquisition style treatment that they can't have elsewhere but in the KH.

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rebel8
rebel8 8 hours ago
I wonder if this baptism nullification letter could help her.

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iwasblind
iwasblind 8 hours ago

They really have no authority
Tell them to present their evidence otherwise she will get a lawyer involved for harassment.
If she really does not want the JC to go ahead I would even get a legal letter sent to them.
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I agree with Hecce. She should speak with her lawyer and the police. If she wants to write a letter, have her lawyer do it. That way it's on file and if they continue, a case for harassment and possibly stalking can be pursued.

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Village Idiot
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opusdei1972

I have told to my sister that she must report to the police that these two elders are stalking her.
If she goes to the police they will simply give her a restraining order document to fill out at home and take it to a judge. That could prevent the elders from coming within 100 yards of her.
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opusdei1972
opusdei1972 7 hours ago

Thanks for the advice....indeed, these things are happening because my sister lives in South America (I don't want to tell which country), where the police despises these actions. However, she must do something with her attorney.
If she were in US, where the LAW works better, the advice of "Village Idiot" would work.

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zeb
zeb 6 hours ago
Their actions sound like stalking. Call the police give their vehicle number and their names.
 
DesirousOfChange
DesirousOfChange 6 hours ago

If she were in US, where the LAW works better, the advice of "Village Idiot" would work.
In the US, the Gov't is not going to do anything about the inter-workings of a religion unless they start sacrificing virgins (which are very difficult to find these days). She would just get DFd in absentia. Which is likely the same thing that will happen if she refuses to appear before the JC now that she has been summoned.
Let's review: It's a cult! (In remembrance of Oubliette)

Doc

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Landy
Landy an hour ago

If they have 'evidence' of apostasy, then any restraining orders, contacting the police, lawyer's letters etc will only confirm their view and she will probably be df'd in her absence.
If they are convening a committee and she's desperate not to get df'd then the only realistic option is to attend, deny everything and be 'spiritually weak'.
 
kairos
kairos 20 minutes ago

If I really wanted to avoid being DF'd for apostasy it would have been a lot of work and time spent for what, in the end?
They were already shunning me and I was absolutely sure that I would NEVER go back to the KH for any reason.
I should have DA'd three years ago when I first learned TTATT.
---
If your sister can come to terms with this reality, I think she should consider ignoring them completely and let them do what they do or simply hand them an "F. U. letter", I mean formal disassociation.
Then she can have true peace and freedom.
The pain of shunning is pretty bad, however.
I'm at the anger stage. Angry that the policy still exists.
It's all so ridiculous. They are making it about loyalty.
Ultimately a loyalty oath to the GB.
 

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as i reported here in this forum, some time ago, my sister was constantly harried by two elders so as to be submitted to a judiciary committee for apostasy.
these two elders were constantly hounding her in the street when she walks to go to her job.
so she had to send them a notary letter in which she wrote that she would attend the judiciary committee only with her attorney.



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“The soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of Jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (Numbers 15:30)
According to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of Jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.
1) “High-handedness” is something that JWs themselves silently experience from JB, hence require no witness or proof.
2) Projecting Jehovah as a beggar by profusely applying Proverb 27:11 to Him, and presenting Jehovah as trying to please Satan endlessly to win the (imaginary) Issue of Universal Sovereignty, GB is also “speaking abusively of Jehovah’s word.” Interestingly, Issue of Universal Sovereignty never figured in Jesus’ teachings. If such an issue really did exist, Jesus would have used all his superhuman skills to present that teaching to the world with paramount importance!!!
3) By teaching that God Almighty felt ‘challenged and taunted’ by one of His own creatures is “sinning against holy spirit” which according to Jesus is an unforgivable sin in this system of things and in that to come. (Mathew 12:32)
 

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1] on the waterfront by terry  "... i coulda had class.

i coulda been a contender.

i coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what i am, let's face it..."

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“the soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (numbers 15:30).

according to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.

1) “high-handedness” is something that jws themselves silently experience from jb, hence require no witness or proof.

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as i reported here in this forum, some time ago, my sister was constantly harried by two elders so as to be submitted to a judiciary committee for apostasy.

these two elders were constantly hounding her in the street when she walks to go to her job.

so she had to send them a notary letter in which she wrote that she would attend the judiciary committee only with her attorney.

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off course you need to think back to when you were a jw to answer this question honestly and properly.but hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a gb member would you have taken on the position?and if you did what changes would you recommend ?.

j.

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ttdtt 2 days ago

So at around the 46 min mark - the are talking to this guy from Ukraine who was a zoologist.
He talks about how he was a staunch evolutionist (who wasn't able to prove evolution to himself, by the way). Then when he studied nature through the lens of evolution - he found that nature contradicted evolution.
His BIG point came when he said - "imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the Encyclopedia Britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance. So who could DNA come by chance."
OK all - with this piercing analysis - I have to RECANT and go back to the Hall.
F the millions of pieces of evidence that science and museums hold!
F the new DNA proof that is there for everyone to look at.
How can you argue against letter blocks not turning into the Encyclopedia Britannica !!!
Ex Brothers and Sisters - please recant as well - here is all the simple minded and eroniouse fact free ingenuous info you need! http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODStudio/pub-jwb_201604_1_VIDEO
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Island Man
Island Man 2 days ago
The very illustrations he's using reveal that he never truly understood evolution to begin with. I believe that those who find evolution hard to believe are those who do not truly understand it. The kinds of questions and reasoning they use show that they don't understand it.

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ttdtt
ttdtt 2 days ago

Island Man - VERY TRUE!!
I remember friends using this line on people "Well have you ever read the Bible? if not how can you judge it?"
Guess that's only a 1 way street - Bet no JW say - let me read Origin of Species to see what its about....
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cofty
cofty 2 days ago

His BIG point came when he said - "imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the Encyclopedia Britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance. So who could DNA come by chance."
I suspect he was a zoo-keeper rather than a zoologist.



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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 2 days ago

How many books have GB men read on Biological evolution ? = 0
How many books have the GB men read on the Earth's own Geological evolution ? = 0
How many books have the GB men read on Astrophysics ? = 0
The conclusion is therefore human ignorance nourishes increased spirituality and therefore education is the work of the devil and his wicked evil forces.
There all cleared up and clarified

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Coded Logic
Coded Logic 2 days ago




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Yes, because an encyclopedia and DNA are so much alike. Both are self replicating molecules that mutate and are subject to the pressures of natural selection . . . . . .
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DATA-DOG
DATA-DOG 2 days ago

What's the guy's name? Where did he get his Zoology degree? Is he even legit?
DD
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JACOB Meza
JACOB Meza 2 days ago

@ Finkelstein:
It is so sad to see you resort to that Jesus face palm meme. It makes me wonder if you were the type of JW who made fun of/were rude to "unbelievers" as well.
It is even more sad to see that type of expression allowed here. Whew, I remember the good ol' days of this forum. Sad that they are gone.
I consider that type of expression far below ones used by truly intellectual men & women.
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Diogenesister
Diogenesister 2 days ago

I suspect he was a zoo-keeper rather than a zoologist.
Even a zoo keeper wouldn't be that ignorant...they are damned liars..just making stuff up....Dr Andersen again?
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JACOB Meza Proportionate satire for illogical analogies seems balanced and appropriate.
imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the Encyclopedia Britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance. So who could DNA come by chance."
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ld like to know where the information in cells came from.lt appears they just magically appeared from thin air like magic.

 
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Its curious how these people always side step the Question Where did GOD come from ?
Of course their answer is he had no beginning , he has always existed , which goes against their belief that everything has a beginning no -thing can come from nothing.
smiddy
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TheOldHippie 2 days ago
"How many books have GB men read on Biological evolution ? = 0
How many books have the GB men read on the Earth's own Geological evolution ? = 0
How many books have the GB men read on Astrophysics ? = 0"
How do you know that?
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cofty
cofty 2 days ago

How do you know that?
If somebody wrote that Hamlet was a cowboy who died at the OK Corral you could say with certainty that they had never read Shakespeare.
Whew, I remember the good ol' days of this forum. Sad that they are gone. - Jacob
A few days ago you asked a question about macro-evolution.
A few of us took time to answer it. You have yet to acknowledge or say thank you. Maybe take a look at your own attitude before you lecture others.
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cofty
cofty 2 days ago

ld like to know where the information in cells came from. - automant
What do you mean by "information"?
Last week you said "l certainly dont believe in evolution as lve researched that subject extensively".
I am starting to suspect the only "research" you have done is in creationist websites.
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freemindfade
freemindfade 2 days ago

It is even more sad to see that type of expression allowed here
Grow up. Do you even hear what you are saying? Do you prefer no freedom of expression??? Think about that for a minute and stop being so fragile, its ugly.
Good meme fink!
Of course their answer is he had no beginning , he has always existed , which goes against their belief that everything has a beginning no -thing can come from nothing.
My favorite smiddy. This is where the conversation always ends in my mind, every house must have a maker, who made gods house?
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 2 days ago

Most of the GB men today who are in position have been trained and educated by the WTS's own teachings concerning evolution and it would be a good assumption that most don't even have a high school diploma.
They hold to the concept of the earths beginning from ancient mythological beliefs not by factual acquired evidence from scientific investigation.
 
stuckinarut2
stuckinarut2 2 days ago

Maybe the GB could once again (mis)quote dr Ramah Singh as they did in that appaling Awake magazine!?!?
Everytime a quote is used by a JW apologist, the writers just somehow fail to provide the actual source and facts about that "expert" .....
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ttdtt
ttdtt 2 days ago

stuckinarut2
They are saving Ramah Singh for next month.
You know they have to rotate between miss quoting real scientists and JWs who pretend to be educated but believe in fairytales.
 

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so at around the 46 min mark - the are talking to this guy from ukraine who was a zoologist.. he talks about how he was a staunch evolutionist (who wasn't able to prove evolution to himself, by the way).
then when he studied nature through the lens of evolution - he found that nature contradicted evolution.. his big point came when he said - "imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the encyclopedia britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance.
so who could dna come by chance.".



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So, the WT is at it again - saying stuff that has nothing to do with evolution. Knocking down a strawman I believe it's called.
The process which causes speciation, natural selection, is non-random. It has nothing to do with emptying letters onto a table and an encyclopaedia appearing.
Incidentally, this is nothing new - they tried the same trick in the blue evolution book.
Is it through sheer ignorance or do the WT writers know that they're misrepresenting evolution?
My money's on the former. 
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freemindfade
freemindfade 2 days ago

Someone should contact the science department/committee at bethel HQ...
Oh wait..
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JACOB Meza
JACOB Meza 2 days ago

@cofty
You said:

A few days ago you asked a question about macro-evolution.
A few of us took time to answer it. You have yet to acknowledge or say thank you. Maybe take a look at your own attitude before you lecture others.
I would have eventually gave a big thank you. But since you brought it to my attention, I did it earlier than usual.
 
SecretSlaveClass
SecretSlaveClass 2 days ago

freemindfade41 minutes ago
Someone should contact the science department/committee at bethel HQ...
Oh wait..
Had a good laugh at this. Good one bro!

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C0ntr013r 2 days ago

This is apparently a new series on JW broadcasting which will essentially uses the argument from authority (fallacy) to show that well educated people can be JWs and reject evolution.
There was a second video after this one with a "scientist" who is making the same irreducible complexity argument. (at: 49 minutes)
He is talking about how amazing the numbers of neurons in a certain part of the brain is....
"so when you think of the complexity of all that, how is it possible that that is just by random chance? It has to be guided!"
Guided by natural selection maybe?...
He then tells us that the idea of one God really appealed to him... Since he came from a hindu background with millions of gods. The trinity also took a hit because he thinks it has more than one God... He has been drinking to much of the kool-aid.
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sparky1 2 days ago



http://ncl.ac.uk/medicalsciences/research/groups/profile/raj.kalaria#tab_profile
I have some questions for Professor Kalaria: How do you justify in your mind the Watchtower Society's stand on higher education and then at the same time make your living as an individual teaching in an institution of higher learning? Also, your research is on 'brain diseases' and helping to find treatments and cures for such. Is it not MORE important to spend your time preaching about God's kingdom  where the 'Great Physician' Jesus Christ will heal all the resurrected ones of whatever malady they may have? Is not what you are doing tantamount to 'rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic'?
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ttdtt
ttdtt 2 days ago
Sparky1 - you should email him - his link is on that page!
 

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so at around the 46 min mark - the are talking to this guy from ukraine who was a zoologist.. he talks about how he was a staunch evolutionist (who wasn't able to prove evolution to himself, by the way).
then when he studied nature through the lens of evolution - he found that nature contradicted evolution.. his big point came when he said - "imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the encyclopedia britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance.
so who could dna come by chance.".



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thedepressedsoul 2 days ago

How corrupt do you think they are? If so, in what ways?
I've been compiling my own list and thoughts. It's not all "paradise" at the top is my thinking.
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Crazyguy
Crazyguy 2 days ago
How dirty is a pig rolling in the mud.
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OnTheWayOut
OnTheWayOut 2 days ago

While it may not be asked so directly, it is a huge question for discussion here.
We all have thoughts on whether the men in the governing body are victims or victimizers or both.
My personal thoughts tend toward them adjusting their thinking more in line with the way lawyers sleep at night after getting guilty clients out of prison or the way politicians adjust their thinking toward learning to say almost anything (or nothing) in order to get votes.
They learn to think that the preservation of the organization is way more important than anything else, things like kindness and full disclosure of information. This thinking allows them to manipulate, coerce, and even directly lie.

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Giordano
Giordano 2 days ago

Eric Hoffer wasn't talking about the WTBTS but what he said in The True Believer points to a high control religion like the Society.
An active mass movement rejects the present and centers it's interest on the future. It is from this attitude that it derives it's strength, for it can proceed recklessly with the present- with the health, wealth and lives of it's followers. But it must act as if it has already read the book of the future to the last word. Its doctrine is proclaimed as a key to that book.

People have lost their health and many their lives because of the prohibitions on various health procedures over course of this religions life time.
They have been DF if they felt the Society was misinformed about a scripture or policy. Lost their family and friends, been shunned only to see that 'new light' is now in agreement with that DFed person except they will never be given an apology or be welcomed back.



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My Name is of No Consequence
My Name is of No Consequence 2 days ago
Any organization that can't (or won't) explain where hundreds of millions of dollars go is corrupt.
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Finkelstein
Finkelstein 2 days ago

Since this organization was founded upon lies and deceptions as a religoius publishing house  the lies and corruption have continued on since then, much of that involves taking information from somewhere out of context and using it to support previously constructed lies or misinformation, they even use the bible malignantly to support certain doctrines.
The WTS is a publishing house which was created by men as a means of self empowerment toward themselves by utilizing lies and deceptions to build a following and to stimulate the proliferation of the literature it published.
The money cultivation is another matter of observation..


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Vidiot
Vidiot 2 days ago
An organization that will do or say virtually anything to survive cannot help but be corrupt.
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JeffT
JeffT a day ago

Legally corrupt or morally corrupt? There's a difference. I think they may be brushing up against the legal line on a lot of things, I don't believe they've crossed it.
Morally, they have a lot to answer for: false prophecy, harboring child molesters, lack of financial transparency for starters.
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atomant a day ago
Good question.l guess to best answer this question we need to analyse/ explore the orgs past history.l believe the governing baboons will do whatever is necessary to keep the lie alive (self preservation)lf they have to lie they will try and justify the lie to themselves.So l guess in a nut shell they do whatever it takes to survive and if it involves corruption so be it.Endemic corruption is alive and well right throughout the world and the org is no different.

 
James Mixon
James Mixon a day ago

Corruption results from a structure that can be manipulated, and those poor souls
are manipulated BIG time. The GB got all the power so what's left, money.
Complete power over millions of people can be very addictive and dangerous.
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They learn to think that the preservation of the organization is way more important than anything else, things like kindness and full disclosure of information. This thinking allows them to manipulate, coerce, and even directly lie.
Thank you, OTWO.




 

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there was film documentary produced in 2013 by noted physicist lawrence krauss and evolutionary biologist richard dawkins.. i thought i would post a link for folks here to have view of this documentary and perhaps offer some your own personal opinions of the film and its content.. http://putlocker.is/watch-the-unbelievers-online-free-putlocker.html.

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i ran into an older sister who has always been very sweet.. it was a friendly chat...yet she pushed for a reason why my family have been missing from meetings for some time.

the question was deflected, until it just had to be said: "well, there have been some troubling and disturbing issues about the society especially the way things were handled during the royal commission, as well as many other issues".. she quickly cut in and said "but why would you want to know these things?

its best not to research and look at those sort of things - so we don't get upset!".

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how corrupt do you think they are?

if so, in what ways?

i've been compiling my own list and thoughts.

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during the 20th century while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914, king of the north & south flip flops, 1975, "the generation that wouldn't pass away", etc.

; a number of actual prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

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during the 20th century while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914, king of the north & south flip flops, 1975, "the generation that wouldn't pass away", etc.

; a number of actual prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

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More Ant-Evolution BS in this months JW Broadcast Program
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so at around the 46 min mark - the are talking to this guy from ukraine who was a zoologist.. he talks about how he was a staunch evolutionist (who wasn't able to prove evolution to himself, by the way).

then when he studied nature through the lens of evolution - he found that nature contradicted evolution.. his big point came when he said - "imagine emptying a box of letter blocks on a table, and the encyclopedia britannica appears, or could a computer program come by chance.

so who could dna come by chance.".

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if you are a believer what sins can send you to sheol, hades, gehenna, lake of fire or.

second death???

in the ot there were many but what about the nt.. one web page listed 40 sins that can send you to hell.lol.

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while we had our eyes fixated on our "one-time" idol the watchtower and their false prophecies like the generation of 1914 that wouldn't pass away, 1975 etc.

; a number of real prophecies were unfolding.

we just weren't taught to look for them.

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before you put this week's wt away, look at page 3.--
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page 3 or any other side, foot notes and share them.

bored today i looked at page 3 and 2 of the 4 elated willing offerings really looked peeved, simone and eston, even if you serve in a vacation destination, paradise, reality will set in, and it will show as in this telling picture.

and:  page 22, it is downhill all the way.

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2016 watchtower cart campaign video... this video does not seem to be listed on jw.org, so it may not be available to rank and file jws.. .. organizational accomplishments-sail amsterdam.

.. between minutes 1:05--1:10 of this video, the watchtower plainly states that they are directing people to (jw.org) no mention of directing people to god's kingdom, or to god or even jesus christ.. .. between minutes 2:45--2:52 the statement is made that the demonstrations focus primarily on promoting (jw.org) again, no mention of god's kingdom or jesus christ.. .. it is pretty clear to see that (jw.org) has taken the drivers seat and god's kingdom and jesus christ have been placed in the back seat.. .. https://we.tl/eejg44rezq.

.. .. .. atlantis!.

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by Billzfan23 2 days ago 5 Replies latest a day ago   watchtower beliefs
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Does anyone have a copy of a letter to the BOE in Mexico or Malawi from the 80's/90's - (it can be in Spanish or some other language) from back in those days regarding organizational policy and direction?
Of course the cult teaches that it's a sin to be involved in politics and the military. In Mexico - every young man was expected to complete a year of military service. What years was that in effect and is it still the case? Also, JDubs are reported to have bribed Mexican military personnel with cash to get their card signed, a certificate that stated that they had already completed their required year of military service. The card/certificate would validate that they were now in the first reserves of the army, having completed their military service (one year).
There were supposed to be letters from the WTBTS to the congregations in Mexico stating that the practice of bribing officials with cash to skip the military service was a "conscience matter" - and this directly contradicted what was happening in Malawi - AT THE SAME TIME - where thousands of JDubs were on the run after having their houses burned and being raped, etc...because they wouldn't purchase a 25 cent party card there...
Does anyone have copies of either of the letters to the bodies of elders from that time period?
 
BluesBrother
BluesBrother 2 days ago

The stand in Malawi was clearly laid out in the Watchtower/Awakes of the period. I have never seen any internal letters that described.
The Mexico situation was, I believe only described by R Franz in "Crisis of Conscience" . That would be a good starting point
 
Newly Enlightened
Newly Enlightened 2 days ago

Elders letter
09-05-1969



https://www.dropbox.com/s/n24l1lqublj10q1/1969-09-05_Reply_from_WT_about_JW_who_had_registered_in_Mexico_and_are_now_in_the_first_reserves.pdf?dl=0

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stuckinarut2 a day ago

Don't forget the fact that Kingdom Halls in Chile fly the National flag on their country's annual day, just to avoid a SMALL fine!
How hypocritical is that when witnesses in Malawi were brutally killed for not having a 25c card on them!!??
Bloodguilt rests on those at the top that decided this was ok....
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Billzfan23 a day ago
Newly enlightened, thank you so much - that was exactly what I was looking for.
 
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SafeAtHome a day ago
"There is no reason for us to decide another mans conscience". Really?? They say this with a straight face?
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1] on the waterfront by terry  "... i coulda had class.

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“the soul that does something deliberately [footnote says “with uplifted hand”] whether he is native or an alien resident, he speaking abusively of jehovah’s word, in that case that soul should be cut off from among his people.” (numbers 15:30).

according to this verse, acting with “high-handedness” and “speaking abusively of jehovah’s word” constitute disfellowshipping offence.

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off course you need to think back to when you were a jw to answer this question honestly and properly.but hypothetically if you had the spirituality and knowledge and was approached to be appointed as a gb member would you have taken on the position?and if you did what changes would you recommend ?.

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atomant
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Are the Governing Baboons master manipulators or are they just doing their job?
by atomant in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
ld love to be a fly on the wall when the gb have a round the table conference.l can only imagine .l wonder which one came up with the idea of the overlapping generation and how the others reacted to it.the light was shining brightly that day.

OUTLAW
baker
elderINewton
12 hours ago
iwasblind
6
JW TV April - more mind control rubbish
by iwasblind in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 a day ago
hi it has been a while since i posted.

sorry this is a rant.. to be honest i have been on a journey - nearly faded but i won't elaborate until i can.. i just watched april's broadcast.

since when do we have "hollywood" style movie previews?

freemindfade
DATA-DOG
Listener
2 hours ago
freemindfade
40
Politically Correct Wasteland
by freemindfade in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
this was a comment i made from another post, but i would like to hear some people discuss this.

i know the social justice warriors will scream i'm some sort of trump supporter for what i say even though i don't agree with his ideas and no i am not voting for him... i accept this is a go to for them.. i think we have fallen into a pc vacuum.. criticizing someones religion = racism!.

telling someone to not be so sensitive = misogyny!.

cofty
freemindfade
Landy
2 hours ago
Billzfan23
5
Military service in Mexico and party affiliation in Malawi... Any letters from BOE?
by Billzfan23 in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
does anyone have a copy of a letter to the boe in mexico or malawi from the 80's/90's - (it can be in spanish or some other language) from back in those days regarding organizational policy and direction?

of course the cult teaches that it's a sin to be involved in politics and the military.

in mexico - every young man was expected to complete a year of military service.

stuckinarut2
Billzfan23
SafeAtHome
a day ago
faithnomore
8
Science vs Religion - All in the brain? New study...
by faithnomore in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
maybe they can't help it?.

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/20365/20160325/science-vs-religion-brain-neural-networks-faith-reason-religious-non-religious.htm.

http://phys.org/news/2016-03-conflict-science-religion-lies-brains.html.

faithnomore
elbib
BluesBrother
2 days ago
cofty
3
Evolution is a Fact #33 - A Tale about Tails
by cofty in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 2 days ago
humans are classified as apes.. apes don't have tails.. except when they do.. we used to have tails.

i don't mean "we" as a species; i mean you and i as individuals.

we all had tails.. embryologists divide the development of a human embryo into 23 "carnegie stages" based on multiple physical features.

atomant
cofty
cofty
a day ago
Giordano
7
A fresh look at Shunning
by Giordano in Watchtower Society / JW.org
 » Beliefs, Doctrine & Practices
 3 days ago
i have always been opposed to the practice of shunning especially for simple mistakes, especially when someone questions the 'truth' or the gb.

or elects to speak to a shunned family member or close friend.

or violates the blood ban.. even as a practicing jw i was uncomfortable with shunning.. an article caught my attention today on ritual sacrifice.

Fisherman
Vidiot
poopie
7 hours ago
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