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Mormon Church sending people DNA test kits but refusing to comment on results?  
Posted: 16 March 2014 12:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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If they are sending people DNA test kits then they must believe in DNA science right?
 
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Posted: 16 March 2014 06:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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Up to a certain point they do. 8 years and no feedback on test results from BYU? Evidently, these individual results were probably not very faith promoting, so no comment, eh? 
 
Kinda like their stance on the Bible. Sure, we believe in it, but it has to be interpreted(correlated)  correctly.


   


Posted: 18 March 2014 10:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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This is interesting. The caller was a great (x?) granddaughter of Sylvia Sessions but not through Josephine's line (JS's alleged daughter). Why would she have been sent a DNA kit? Perhaps the church was sending kits to all known descendants of JS's polygamous or polyandrous spouses?
 
The lack of a confirmed offspring from one of the polygamous or polyandrous unions is indeed unfortunate, but if we look at it from another angle, it's still damning (although to a lesser extent). Jacob 2:30 in the BoM says that the purpose of polygamy was to raise up seed unto the Lord. If JS didn't produce any offspring, why was he boinking other women?
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I'd have an easier time with this show if the host wasn't also full of shit
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I don't think lack of offspring means lack of sex. We are trained to think any sexual encounter can lead to children, but humans average 1000 sexual encounters per child born. That's far more than most animals. And Joseph had so many girls who had his "attention," it's not unreasonable to think he was spread too thin to get that kind of time with just one (besides Emma).
 
  
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Posted: 15 March 2014 10:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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The official press release concerning the first day of proceedings in the fraud case against the LDS Church has been released through David Twede, Tom Phillips' spokesperson in the matter: http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2014/03/fraud-case-first-day-official-release.html
 
As mentioned in the another thread here, someone inside the courtroom passed information to "Cityworker" who posted it on RfM boards. MT's website has an updated, easy-to-read PDF version of that live-blogging. This is not an actual court transcript, but rather a live commentary, so there are subjective asides.When the offical transcript is released, it will also be availble on MT's site: http://www.mormonthink.com/monson-summons.htm
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Posted: 15 March 2014 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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The official press release concerning the first day of proceedings in the fraud case against the LDS Church has been released through David Twede, Tom Phillips' spokesperson in the matter: http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2014/03/fraud-case-first-day-official-release.html
 
As mentioned in the another thread here, someone inside the courtroom passed information to "Cityworker" who posted it on RfM boards. MT's website has an updated, easy-to-read PDF version of that live-blogging. This is not an actual court transcript, but rather a live commentary, so there are subjective asides.When the offical transcript is released, it will also be availble on MT's site: http://www.mormonthink.com/monson-summons.htm
 
Scott, are Twede's comments reviewed by Tom before posting? 
 
 
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The official press release concerning the first day of proceedings in the fraud case against the LDS Church has been released through David Twede, Tom Phillips' spokesperson in the matter: http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2014/03/fraud-case-first-day-official-release.html
 
As mentioned in the another thread here, someone inside the courtroom passed information to "Cityworker" who posted it on RfM boards. MT's website has an updated, easy-to-read PDF version of that live-blogging. This is not an actual court transcript, but rather a live commentary, so there are subjective asides.When the offical transcript is released, it will also be availble on MT's site: http://www.mormonthink.com/monson-summons.htm
 
Scott, are Twede's comments reviewed by Tom before posting? 
 
 
 
 Jeff, yes he has viewed the comment.
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I especially identified with this portion of the release:
 
Focusing in on the case at hand, Phillips’ attorneys showed how specific LDS Church representations, particularly its deceptive use of the term, “translate,”  are consistent with the illicit acts covered in the United Kingdom’s Fraud Act of 2006. 
 
I mean, honestly, how long can the LDS church continue to lie? "No, no, no, when he said translate he actually meant that God revealed it to him and he doesn't have any kind of translating abilities." Words mean something, and when you mess with their denotations it makes a difference. I can't think of any other group who uses the word translate when they mean "somebody else told me."
 
I love the ongoing portrayals where Joe studiously labors over the golden plates, which sometimes are in full view of the scribe. We had some mishies over a few years ago and they made the mistake of showing me some goofy video. That very scene popped up and I called them on it. I don't recall how they responded, but my TBM wife was unimpressed; even she admitted the video was a misrepresentation. Or in my language, it was, you know, a lie. Pathetic.


   


Posted: 16 March 2014 07:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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I am astounded that cult's lawyer had the cojones to claim in court "that Thomas Phillips, the British subject who instigated the fraud charges, was a 'disaffected' Mormon whose problems with the church were personal, not legal in nature."
 
Geeeeezus. Imagine a lawyer arguing that Bernie Maddoff was not guilty because those he defrauded were "disaffected investors whose problems with the business were personal, not legal in nature."
 
As usual, the cult resorts to ad hominem attacks: the problem is the disaffected member --not the cult. If you can't see the Emperor Joseph's new clothes... well then obviously there is something wrong with you.


   


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Mark D Larsen:
I am astounded that cult's lawyer had the cojones to claim in court "that Thomas Phillips, the British subject who instigated the fraud charges, was a 'disaffected' Mormon whose problems with the church were personal, not legal in nature."
 
Geeeeezus. Imagine a lawyer arguing that Bernie Maddoff was not guilty because those he defrauded were "disaffected investors whose problems with the business were personal, not legal in nature."
 
As usual, the cult resorts to ad hominem attacks: the problem is the disaffected member --not the cult. If you can't see the Emperor Joseph's new clothes... well then obviously there is something wrong with you.
 
 The reason for that line of argument is that a criminal prosecution being brought by a private citizen in the UK can be dismissed if it is found to be vexatious.  I'm not sure how convincing the argument was abou Tom, but legally speaking it wasn't out of line.
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Brad (ZeeZrom):
 The reason for that line of argument is that a criminal prosecution being brought by a private citizen in the UK can be dismissed if it is found to be vexatious.  I'm not sure how convincing the argument was abou Tom, but legally speaking it wasn't out of line.
 
Heh heh. Yes, I got that from the summary. I'm sure the cult will use any and all "legal" means possible to dodge this bullet. I simply find it ironic that the defense lawyers would expose, from the outset, the very same socio-psychological machination that the cult uses to commit, reinforce, and perpetuate its blatant fraud.
 
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Mark D Larsen:
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 The reason for that line of argument is that a criminal prosecution being brought by a private citizen in the UK can be dismissed if it is found to be vexatious.  I'm not sure how convincing the argument was abou Tom, but legally speaking it wasn't out of line.
 
Heh heh. Yes, I got that from the summary. I'm sure the cult will use any and all "legal" means possible to dodge this bullet. I simply find it ironic that the defense lawyers would expose, from the outset, the very same socio-psychological machination that the cult uses to commit, reinforce, and perpetuate its blatant fraud.
 
Funny laws. Kolob forbid that lies should "vex" anyone. Hahaha!
 
 Yeah, the irony is pretty thick.  I wonder what kind of impression the lawyers would have made if they had not argued the "vexatious" point and, instead, taken a compassionate (dare I say "Christlike") approach to Tom.  
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There is little compassion to be found, when so many British Pounds could be at risk here. Money talks, and bullshit walks, as the saying goes. 

   


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It seems as if TSCC has only one play in their playbook and that is to attack the character of anyone and everyone who does not tow the party line. My parents use it, my neighbors used it, the lawyers used it against Tom Phillips, Jeff Holland uses it when ever he opens his mouth, people on comment boards use it. When it comes to discussing any "issues" they have no defense, so they can only resort to ad hominem attacks. At least most exmo's get tough skin very quickly.
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It seems as if TSCC has only one play in their playbook and that is to attack the character of anyone and everyone who does not tow the party line.
 
 Yeah, this is pretty much why I have stopped trying to debate TBMs/apologists - I'm the problem, never the doctrine or history.
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 Yeah, this is pretty much why I have stopped trying to debate TBMs/apologists - I'm the problem, never the doctrine or history.
 
"There must be something wrong with you.." ...ah yes this rings a bell..
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 Yeah, this is pretty much why I have stopped trying to debate TBMs/apologists - I'm the problem, never the doctrine or history.
 
"There must be something wrong with you.." ...ah yes this rings a bell..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfb5FYd83Ao
 
 
 
 Wow--that is one of the top ten creepy (and true) things I have seen on PostMo!
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This is deserving of a bump up. That website link sure nailed me down....soooo good to be on the outside now looking in on what was. 

   


            
 
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