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Posted: 19 March 2014 07:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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I need some help with my memory...older guy.
 
Last Sunday morning, a 15yr old, nice neighbor girl knocked on our door. She asked to speak to my 14 yr old son.
 
She invited him to church (sporting a BYU t-shirt ironically). Specifically she asked "Would you like to come to church with us (their family) today?" Apparently she's taken the Katie Finds a Way article to the next level ;)
 
My son politely replied no and that he had homework to do. She said "OK" and bounded off the porch with a smile. My guess is that she had no interest in doing what she did, but was goaded to do so.
 
I relayed the event to my wife and she replied that "X did that on her own free will."
 
Uh-huh. I should have kept my mouth shut...but...
 
I proffered that kids, at that age don't do that kind of thing unless...
 
A. She likes the boy (5% probability as she never talks to the kid otherwise and she's a year older).
 
or...
 
B. The kids are coached at church or by their nosey TBM parent and prodded to invite the "inactive kids" because of their own guilt issues.
 
Wife didn't like that. 
 
A fight was starting to percolate and, being my birthday...I retreated to watch sports and drink coffee in honor of poor little Katie.
 
DOES the church still push youth to actively go after neighborhood kids whose parent(s) don't go, to bring them into Monson's cool aid tent? I seem to recall that I was asked to do this when I was young.
 
I talked to my kid afterward and he said it was bitter sweet because X girl is "cute" but she's not really interested in him.
 
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Posted: 19 March 2014 08:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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Oh, yeah, they are still pressured!
I remember well the pressure to "bring at least one lost soul" to church. It took my dad to point out that the "lost soul" could be "self"!  Thinking on that, it's amazing that I didn't know that my dad didn't really believe! Oh well.
But, I know that they are still being pressured, as I was on my way "out"- no longer believing, but attending for family reasons - my girls were pressured to "share the gospel" to every non-member they knew (we didn't seem to have any inactives their age in this area)
Now, almost 10 years later, I know that they are still up to those tactics because our home teacher (husband is insisting we have this home teacher!) is the young men's president and he is trying to put a LOT of pressure on my athiest teen to "come have fun"! LOL!  My son is SO not interested, and doesn't understand why they can't just "drop it" and leave him alone! (I can't either... other than the husband is probably trying to "get his family back" again)
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Posted: 19 March 2014 09:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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Oh yes, the church still does this. Every general conference there is probably a talk about bringing back the lost sheep. Priesthood session is particularly ripe for this type of indoctrination, especially the obligatory address to the "young men of the church", the Aaronic priesthood holders.
 
There are also YM and WY lessons geared to this, probably at least once a year. And who knows how often it comes up in seminary. It's been almost 35 years since I last darkened the doorway of a seminary class, but I do remember lessons like that from my seminary years. 
 
There are also articles in the church magazines about re-activation. It is CONSTANTLY a source of discussion in the church.
 
An active member = another income stream. 
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Posted: 19 March 2014 01:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]   

   
 
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If you can get a child into a missionary mindset, you've planted an early seed in hopes of a larger harvest.  I remember when I was a child at a large area conference, one of my class mates had been invited to share a missionary experience he'd had.  It was surprising to me then that somebody as young and inexperienced as I was would be invited to speak to such a large, intimidating group.  It makes more sense now.
 
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Are there any ethical issues with the young trying to convert the young? A few years ago a young girl (11) gave a BoM to a non-member boy on the school bus?  This really bothered me.  I know the girls mom and I can imagine if a JW gave her daughter (the 11year old girl) a copy of "the Watch Tower" or better yet a Muslim gave her daughter a copy of the Quoran, she would have freaked out and been all how inappropriate it was for someone to give her young (child) daughter non-Mormon material.
 
double standard at best
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Posted: 01 March 2014 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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I'm just curious as to how many people here were BICs and raised by TBM parents, and who were CONNED-verted/duped into joining the LDS church?
I was converted by my ex, and of course months after we broke up I left the church. Yet, I stayed in the church for a while after the break up, and I think it was partly because I was already in the church, and sought comfort from fellow Mormons. I was depressed, and I think they took advantage of that by sending me to LDS family services councelling, had me talk to the sisters to try and encourage me to turn my depresion into seeking out the "Gospal" and such. I suppose having women to help console me they felt was the best way to deal with it, especially since I struggled with the idea that women couldn't hold he priesthood, and that JS  practiced Polygamy. I was even afraid that polygamy would one day be reinstated in the church. I met a mormon girl online who even said I was selfish because I did not want to be in a polygamous reliationship, that I should "share the blessings of being able to go to the celestial kingdom with my fellow sisters." What a crock of crap. Eventually I left. At that point I even missed my old AoG church, and when I talked about visiting, the sisters told me it would be a bad idea. But why? It wasn't like the AoG Christians turned their back on me by leaving, so why would the LDS do the same just because I chose to leave?
Did anyone get anything good out of being in the Church? I think the one thing I did like was when a missionary told me that if I was capable of creating a kitten, I would die for it. I think he was trying to make a point as to why Jesus was chosen to create the planet and die for the people on it. One thing I did find fascinating was the deep doctrine, the things they wanted to hide from me. The irony was they kept me in Gospal Principles right up until right before I left. I remembered being part of a college Mormon group when I returned for vet tech as well. It kind of annoyed me with their "line upon line precept upon precept" and their line of thinking of "milk before meat" BS. I honestly think their hesitance to let me be in the other class (I actually forgot what the other class was besides Gospal Principles was) is another thing that lead me out of the church. All because I struggled with the teachings regarding women. But I have to say I hated relief society, and that was the worst thing for me, because it literally felt like being in a sewing circle. If anyone wants to talk about how the Priesthood meetings were, they can feel free to do so. I also thought it was kind of stupid that the club meant for women was created by JS. If his wife had founded it instead (Emma that is, I'm not talking about his concubines), it might've been more interesting to me. I honestly think that at some point, Emma did call BS on Joe Smith when it came to the WoW.
At this point, I don't really hate the Mormons. I kind of feel sorry for them, especially reading all the stories here about them, and the blogs and news articles being shared here.
So anyway, I hear a lot exit stories, but I'm curious as to how you ended up in the church of BS of latter-day lies.


   


Posted: 01 March 2014 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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Posted: 01 March 2014 02:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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I was adopted as an infant by LDS parents.  Later as a toodler, I was sealed to them in the Manti temple.  So for all intents and purposes, I was born in the church.  Mormonism was all I knew growing up.
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Posted: 01 March 2014 02:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]   

   
 
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Another BIC here.  I never felt like I belonged, but it was "what life was like" until I knew better.  Since I wasn't from Utah, it meant I knew better pretty soon.  But that just led to depression and a feeling that my lot in life wasn't fair.  I never really considered that I had the option to change anything.
 
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: there is no other Sunday School class.  Oh, there's another one they call "Gospel Doctrine" instead of "Godpel Principles," but the meat has been long since removed from that one as well.  It's even pretty much gone from Seminary.  Maybe it's still in Institute, if you know where to look (I assume Institute is in a par with BYU religion classes).  But most of the non-milk gospel knowledge has been unofficially passed by word of mouth outside of official lessons for a number of years now.  It's still in the church's interest that we believe these unbelievable things, so we'll be afraid to leave the mothership, but it's also in their interest not to be seem officially teaching it.  Plausible deniability.
 
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Posted: 01 March 2014 03:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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Gospal Doctrine might have been what it was called. I remember making a big stink about not being in it, even though the missionaries kept saying that's where I needed to be. Bully hocky. lol. It doesn't matter now though.
I just wonder how exciting the Priesthood meetings were. Probably not any better than the RS ones. 
The other thing I couldn't stand was the hymns. Growing up AoG I supposed I felt it should focus more on Jesus than JS, and have more of the standing up and clapping and such, but that was back when I was more religious. I eventually came to the conclusion that Christianity as a whole was pretty ridiculous, but I think the LDS church had it's own special brand of ridiculousness, but on the other hand, the Pentecostal AoGs had some pretty fanatical beliefs as well.
 Wow, a lot of BICs here. I would consider being "adopted" into the church as being born into it. If you grew up in the church, I consider that equivalent to being born into it.
I was pretty naive about many things when I was younger. Sometimes I just want to face palm at my younger self for letting myself get brain washed.


   


Posted: 01 March 2014 03:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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I became a Mormon because when I was eight years old my parents moved to Las Vegas.  That was the summer of 1953.  There were three houses on the block; our next door neighbor was Samuel M. Davis and his multitude of kids.  He was then 2nd ward bishop.  Then when school started, the kids I got along with best were mormon, and I started going to Primary... and then to church.  If my parents were ever approached, I'm not aware of it.  There were no Mexicans in the ward, so maybe the decision was made not to break that tradition, but they let me in, so it's probably not that.  When I was 11 I was Santa Claus in a Primary Christmas play.  Then I turned 12 and got to go to MIA.  
 
I consider myself to have had a great childhood.  My senior year in high school was a thing of dreams come true.  Ah, the innocence...  
 
It was in retrospect that I realized that my testimony was built on the testimony of people I believed in.  If THEY knew  it was true, then it must be.  I knew some remarkable people (who hasn't, right?) and it was easy to have faith in their faith.
 
As I've frequently mentioned, by the time I was 15, I knew I wasn't going to the CK.  I had questions about doctrine, but I wouldn't ask them, so as not to pop the balloon.  And I was an enthusiastic, if pedestrian, masturbator.  I did expend the occasional spate of days trying to repent of it, but there was only one thing that could have replaced masturbation in my life: real sex!!!  The thought of which, of course, resulted in the handy substitute.
 
There was a core of guys in my ward who knew that each of us was 'faking it' when it came to being good mormon boys.  In my case, what other choice did I have?  I was well-adjusted to my situation and seemingly respected, and the opportunities soon became plenty to dry hump.
 
Being a mormon teenager in the latter 50s and early 60s was really good stuff!! 

   


Posted: 01 March 2014 03:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]   

   
 
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I was also born in the covenant. Sheesh, say that to ANYONE outside mormonism and they'll give you a blank look. It means absolutely nothing.
Even though I have lived my entire life outside the green jell-o belt, it was all I really knew growing up. I remember one time, maybe about the 4th grade, I told one of my school friends that I belonged to the "true" church. He didn't know what I meant, and I couldn't really explain it. I kept my mouth shut after that.
 
I grew up a few years after Elder OldDog, but the church was much more relaxed through the 60s and 70s than it is now. They were unashamed of their dogma and unabashedly proclaimed themselves to be "peculiar people".
 
Now the church is desparately trying to be seen as mainstream. When unique doctrines come out, the answer is "I don't know that we teach that. I don't know that we emphasize that." Lies! 
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Posted: 01 March 2014 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]   

   
 
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Elder OldDog:
And I was an enthusiastic, if pedestrian, masturbator.  I did expend the occasional spate of days trying to repent of it, but there was only one thing that could have replaced masturbation in my life: real sex!!!  The thought of which, of course, resulted in the handy substitute.
There was a core of guys in my ward who knew that each of us was 'faking it' when it came to being good mormon boys.  In my case, what other choice did I have?  I was well-adjusted to my situation and seemingly respected, and the opportunities soon became plenty to dry hump.
Being a mormon teenager in the latter 50s and early 60s was really good stuff!!
 
Ahhh...all these people who have been able to actually have the much talked about, totally exotic (to me), experience of dry humping...
 
...an experience mostly denied to those of us who took the "other" path , and were NOT raised Mormon!!! 
 
I admire your adventurous teenage sexual exploits, Elder OldDog. 
 
Just too bad for me that I wasn't there to share in the fun.       


   


Posted: 01 March 2014 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]   

   
 
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Elder OldDog:
I became a Mormon because when I was eight years old my parents moved to Las Vegas.  That was the summer of 1953.  There were three houses on the block; our next door neighbor was Samuel M. Davis and his multitude of kids.  He was then 2nd ward bishop.  Then when school started, the kids I got along with best were mormon, and I started going to Primary... and then to church.  If my parents were ever approached, I'm not aware of it.  There were no Mexicans in the ward, so maybe the decision was made not to break that tradition, but they let me in, so it's probably not that.  When I was 11 I was Santa Claus in a Primary Christmas play.  Then I turned 12 and got to go to MIA.  
 
I consider myself to have had a great childhood.  My senior year in high school was a thing of dreams come true.  Ah, the innocence...  
 
It was in retrospect that I realized that my testimony was built on the testimony of people I believed in.  If THEY knew  it was true, then it must be.  I knew some remarkable people (who hasn't, right?) and it was easy to have faith in their faith.
 
As I've frequently mentioned, by the time I was 15, I knew I wasn't going to the CK.  I had questions about doctrine, but I wouldn't ask them, so as not to pop the balloon.  And I was an enthusiastic, if pedestrian, masturbator.  I did expend the occasional spate of days trying to repent of it, but there was only one thing that could have replaced masturbation in my life: real sex!!!  The thought of which, of course, resulted in the handy substitute.
 
There was a core of guys in my ward who knew that each of us was 'faking it' when it came to being good mormon boys.  In my case, what other choice did I have?  I was well-adjusted to my situation and seemingly respected, and the opportunities soon became plenty to dry hump.
 
Being a mormon teenager in the latter 50s and early 60s was really good stuff!!
[  ] This is interesting.  I felt the same way.  I masturbated, smoked cigarettes at times, looked at Playboy and Penthouse and had lustful thoughts about girls.  I wasn't tenacious or strong-willed enough to live a 100% celestial kingdom lifestyle.  I was sure I would never make the CK cut.
 
I used to tell my mom I would be satisfied if I only made it to the terrestrial kingdom.  Of course she would object to my after-life destination and keep telling me how much better it would be in the CK.  Even if I countered with JS’s description of how great even the telestial kingdom was, she would plead for me to set my sights higher.
 
Not until I was sealed to my wife in the temple did I strive to be CK material.  I hated trying to be “mormon” perfect.  Even if I was outwardly doing everything I was supposed to do, inwardly I knew my thoughts and desires didn’t match those actions.  The guilt I felt because I secretly knew I wouldn’t be joining my wife in the CK was awful.  I dreaded judgement time; when before all of god’s children my lack of faithful purpose-of-heart would be revealed and my sins would be known by my wife, children, parents and friends.  I couldn’t bear seeing the disappointment in my wife’s face as she listened to the list of my long-hidden shortcomings.  I was tortured by the thought that she would leave me behind and be sealed to some more worthy husband.
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Posted: 01 March 2014 11:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]   

   
 
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I'm another BIC. Interestingly enough my father was excommunicated while I was an infant. I was raised by my mother who went from TBM to inactive to TBM a number of times. Thanks to my sisters and grandparents I was pretty TBM until I noticed the church was a lie while on my mission. 

   


Posted: 01 March 2014 11:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]   

   
 
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I was also born in the covenant, my mother's side of the family is descended from a man named Joseph Lee Robinson who was a polygamist and I think our line is from his third or fourth wife. You want to know something, I have no problem with polygamy if it's someone's choice. You like it, do it. That's a topic for another thread, I think smile What I hated, HATED was the "revelation" to Emma that said if she didn't accept it she would be destroyed. That made me totally hate the D&C and never, ever wanted to study it when that year came around. They pretty much skip that part in Gospel Doctrine class these days. And yes, Gospel Doctrine has gotten more and more like Gospel Essentials. Let's gloss over the unpopular, older doctrine that our parents and grandparents adhered to, that wouldn't make very good PR. Oh, these are thoughts I've had in the past and never, EVER let out before. Feels good, like dropping the F-bomb or something hahaha! 

   


Posted: 02 March 2014 09:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]   

   
 
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I was born in Utah, raised in Happy Valley. I have several generations of Mormon immigrants and pioneers on both sides (as does my husband). I grew up knowing no other way. I really believe that if I hadn't left Utah nearly 20 years ago and lived all over the world, I would still be a believing and active Mormon today. That's how firmly entrenched I was in the Mormon bubble.
 
Now when I talk to my devout TBM mom, it's all about my cousins who are bishops, and their kids who are on missions, and what they are doing in the ward, and the new temple, and scouts, blah, blah, blah. It was only when I was on the outside looking in that I realized how all encompassing Mormonism and its culture is for most true believers, especially those who live in Utah and Utah county. I'm so grateful I'm out, and even more grateful my children are out.
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Posted: 02 March 2014 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]   

   
 
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Another multi-generational BIC here.
I was an OFF again, On again mormon after I got married (I had jobs which requred me to work on Sundays a year before I got married... that caused a lot of tension in the family).
I was raised that even if you were on your deathbed, you attended church! (Can't tell you how many times I went to church feeling totally lousy, wanting to just go to sleep under the benches [and one time I did, in Primary] because I felt so bad, only to get home and be put to bed because of fever)  I bought the whole story. Loved most of my primary classes and activities, most of YMYW... except I wanted to really "earn" badges like my brothers did in scouts, and felt like Girls Camp was a summer "clique fest" (though I had mostly an absolute great time there).
Really, until I stumbled across a version of "The First Vision" that I hadn't heard, being passed off as the "official version", I bought the whole Mormon lie, with a filling shelf of doubt.  I left rather suddenly. 
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Posted: 02 March 2014 11:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]   

   
 
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Born in it. Both of my parents grew up in abusive homes and separately, in young adulthood, found the church. (My mom actually chose to go to BYU as a nonmember because it was far away from her abusive dad. She didn't stand a chance at that point and was bound to join the church.) I believe that the church helped them find peace and break the cycle of abuse in their lives. For this I am grateful. For me, however, it has done no such thing. Ironically, it's letting go of Mormonism that has brought me peace. 

   


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Posted: 02 March 2014 01:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]   

   
 
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Posted: 02 March 2014 02:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]   

   
 
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Well....yet another BIC here, although my mother was a convert. The BC church (before correlation) was very different than it is now: most the time I was proud to be LDS and it wasn't so GD all consuming. a TBMs life is soooOOOOOoooo out of balance these days.
 
You might notice, what with all the comments about priesthood meetings, PH was nothing to write home about. It was boring! No intellectual stimulation, nothing outside the box, no meaningful ideas shared.  I often wondered why we had seperate male/female meetings
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Posted: 02 March 2014 03:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]   

   
 
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I'm here to help even out the imbalance of BICs to converts.
 
I was baptized at age 18, in 1968, after meeting a mormon class-mate in school.  One day she and some of her mormon friends were fasting during school on behalf of one of their no-mo friends who's parents did not allow the friend's baptism.  That seemed serious and piqued my interest.  Later she invited me to church just before graduation.  That was back in the David O. McKay days before correllation. 
 
It's a shame, but my parents were really good at sheltering their kids, so I didn't have critical thinking skills or boundaries.  But that was how it was back in the1950s and '60s.
 
Fast forward to 2011.  My never-mo then-boyfriend tried to explain what had disturbed him so much after the one and only time he attended church.  One afternoon before SM, I'm sitting in the chapel watching the young men set up the sacrament table while thinking "What it is that feels wrong here?"  One of the young men setting up the table was to go on his mission soon.  Hmm, mission . . . recruiting . . .  The thought suddenly struck: TSCC is nothing more than an MLM (multi-level-marketing) scheme, except the only ones getting the money are the leaders in Salt Lake.  The rest of us are working for free, for no reason. 
 
It's all make-believe!
 
I was done. 
 
For years before leaving, I had produced the ward bulletin and included the current and next week's Gospel Doctrine reading assignments as a courtesy for the adults.  I noticed how the lessons repeated every four years.  No changes for decades.  Boring.  Just boring.  Double ditto for Relief society lessons.  
 
 There was no real religion, only a series of business decisions.
 
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In 1944 I was hauled over to the baptist church where the Mormons rented a font and dunked. I do not remember any instructions on doctrine nor schooling that prepared me for this. When I came up I rmemeber saying "darn that water" 

   


Posted: 02 March 2014 06:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]   

   
 
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BIC northern Utah. Enjoyed participating for many years. Interesting how the organization that contributed to so much happiness in my family became the cause of extreme destruction a few years later. Reminds me of the B of M scripture that says an evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit and vice versa. I am here to say that they may have some good but if you leave you will be on the receiving end of some rotten shit. They will ship it in truck loads.
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Posted: 02 March 2014 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]   

   
 
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I had no chance.  I was born into it.  I'm a descendant of Miles Park Romney on my dad's side.  On my mom's side, I'm a descendant of William Jordan Flake and Jesse N. Smith, first cousin to the charlatan that started the one true cult.
 
I never really felt like I belonged.  I never liked Mormon culture anyway.   


   


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I ended up getting sucked into the CULT by people who failed to disclose the fact that Joseph's Myth screwed other men's wives and teenage daughters, which would have factored heavily in my decision to spend the better part of my life devoted to a racist, homophobic, misogynist, abusive, doomsday CULT. 
I'm just happy to have emancipated myself from the mental slavery of Joseph's Myth, and all other religions, thanks to 9-11.  
 
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 Mormon Leadership Affluenza
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 Thank you DW friends on Facebook for making it all so clear…...
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 Let the dead horse die
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 Interesting blog on racism during the Mormon War in Missouri
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 “Give them your time” ads by the church….such a lie.
Author: Tessa 1 233  
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 Just wanted to say Thank You PostMo’s!!!!
Author: WanderingGeek 3 273  
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Author: WanderingGeek 14 1445  
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 Everybody wants to go to heaven
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 Children out on the streets
Author: tab 4 475  
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 Satan seems quite skilled.
Author: quietlydifferent 10 717  
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 Open Letter to President Monson (please read and sign)
Author: steveholbrook 18 1208  
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 Monson’s senility
Author: Curious NeverMo 10 850  
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 Are we “Disgruntled ex-Mormons” or simply “Former Mormons”?
Author: Kori 20 1111  
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 Protecting Religious Freedom
Author: Silver Girl 7 732  
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 Personal Observations Since Leaving the Morg.
Author: Moab 3 504  
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 If the Vatican can open Ireland’s adoption records….why not Utah?
Author: Tessa 0 302  
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 Insiders insights about church finances
Author: helemon 9 3758  
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Author: helemon 2 1886  
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 Moving On
Author: free thinker 5 2594  
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 Membership Growth Measued By Stakes - Searching for Post From January
Author: Piri Roza 1 443  
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 Tom Phillips, & Tal Bachman on the Drew Marshall radio program SHORTLY (livestream link)
Author: Discon2 5 678  
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 The legal concept of “undue influence”
Author: Discon2 9 682  
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 Mormon Prophet President Thomas S. Monson Battles Fraud Allegations
Author: josephs myth 6 1438  
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 Meetup - Sunday, Feb. 9th, 10:00am at Harmons (Draper, UT)
Author: BITE ME 0 302  
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 Interesting blog on the Mormon omniscient God
Author: ldshistorybuff 0 270  
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 The Movie Oblivion
Author: WanderingGeek 1 312  
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 “... but you’re the one who changed.”
Author: Get Me Off This Crazy Thing! 23 1206  
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 Lies, Lies and More Lies
Author: skepticalthayne 11 1033  
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 Meetup - Sunday, Feb. 2nd, 10:00am at Harmons (Draper, UT)
Author: BITE ME 1 328  
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 I was interviewed on the radio about being Ex-mo.  Take a listen!
Author: Youngsinglerunning 2 549  
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 What to say to a therapist about the church?
Author: bjohn 6 612  
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 New FB page—No More: End Mormons’ Sexually Invasive Interviews of Children
Author: copostmo 8 1215  
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 Jezebel thinks Mormon anti-masturbation video seems curiously homoerotic
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 *** NEWSWEEK ARTICLE about PostMormon.org, etc. ***
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 Showed my support for you guys…
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 Southern Utah PostMormon Lecture- Sunday Feb 2nd
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 Just because it’s been a hard day…..
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 Is the temple weird and shocking on purpose?
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 haven’t posted in a long time
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 When The Saints Go Marching Out
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 Lies, Lies, and More Lies
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 Former LDS Bishop arrested in Mesa, AZ   ( 1 2)
Author: Mrs. Jello Salad 45 2150  
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 Another Considered Approach to Mormonism
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 Trying to take a more mature viewpoint here - thoughts?
Author: barelythere 40 1609  
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 Are mormons Christian? Not if you go by this study…
Author: Matter Unorganized 8 700  
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 Menacing Mormonism - Scientology
Author: josephs myth 2 538  
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 Bill Nye ‘the Science Guy” explains why he’s debating the Creationism Museum Founder, Ken Hamm
Author: Kori 2 646  
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 What….? How…? You didn’t connect that very well.
Author: quietlydifferent 9 719  
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 Should Monson Hire The Pope To Be His New Public Relations Advisor?
Author: Strong Free & Thankful 4 420  
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 My dad published a historical book about a fictional book
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 Moderator Review
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 Is every invite an attempt at conversion???
Author: shanti shanti shanti 9 549  
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 Angry birds! Pope’s peace doves attacked
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 What do you think of these 4 reasons why many disaffected Mormons become atheist?   ( 1 2)
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OCTOBER CONFERENCE
"Past, Present, and Possibilities"
Oct. 18-20, 2013




















 


Financial Report for 2011 to Date

Financial Report for 2010 to Date

Financial Report for 2009

Twin Falls Newspaper Article

Twin Falls Billboard

Financial Report for 2009 to Date




The Enemies of Reason - Richard Dawkins
[Sound Thinking]

Glad You Asked! The Garden of Eden
[Peep Stone!]

Native American DNA
[Post-Mormon Mag.]



Portland Oregon meetup
[Portland Post-Mor...] 
Las Vegas March Meetup! Sunday 16th 1pm
[Las Vegas Post-Mo...] 
General Non-Conference: Palmetto State Session
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March Get Together
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March 2nd 2014-Southern Utah PostMormon Lecture Series
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[Boston, MA Post-M...] 
Every Sunday in Utah
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General Non-Conference: Palmetto State Session
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onendagus

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onendagus

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gypsyrose

Book of Mormon Tories
by Tom Donofrio 
Book of Mormon Tories
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Native American DNA
by GTM 
Ongoing Monthly Gatherings!
Reuben

Ongoing Monthly Gatherings!
Virginia Steve

CALM meet up for June
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Revised NW Women's Retreat Announcement
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Glad You Asked! The Garden of Eden
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Church Authorities, Postmormons Find Common Ground
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Church Authorities, Postmormons Find Common Ground
by Mikki B 
Resignation Letter to My Family
Mikki B

Resignation Letter to My Family
Waveoftruth

Resignation Letter to My Family
In search of Truth

Carolina PostMo Night: “The Master"
Swearing Elder

Washington D.C. Post-Mormon Lunch - August 28
freckles

Resignation Letter to My Family
INRETROSPECT

Financial Report for 2011 to Date
by Jeff Ricks 
Resignation Letter to My Family
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Wow! If the movie is as powerful as the trailer the Church has to be pretty concerned about it.
 
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Wonder how many theaters in Utah will show this?  Better still, I wonder if Larry H. Miller will show it in his theaters?    For those of you who aren't Utahns, Larry H. Miller is the owner of the Utah Jazz basketball team, and numerous car dealerships.  He also owns a bunch of theaters, and made the headlines and national news months back when he pulled Brokeback Mountain from his theaters, but didn't have a problem with showing the movie Hostel at the time he yanked Brokeback Mtn. 

   


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Wow, with the names that are behind this and the names of the actors portraying those involved, this has got be very damaging to the church.  Of course, brother Joe said this would happen to the church in the latter days, didn't he.  The mormons will now just circle their wagons.
 
And my best is that there won't be many theaters showing this movie in Utah and Rexburg.  Don't matter though, the prophet has said "No R movies".  I can't wait to see this. 
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After reading Under The Banner of Heaven I came to the realization that the church I used to be a member of was  a very violent faith. Wherever mormons went in the 19th century bloodshed soon followed.
 
Brigham Young was a crazed lunatic drunk on his own power. But he was just following the example of Joseph Smith.  After the massacre he traveled through the Mountain Meadows valley where the incident took place. Small stone monuments had been erected for the victims. Brigham Young kicked them over and said. " The Lord has said vengeance is mine and today I got a little".  Remorse? None. Kindness? None. Human compassion? None. A prophet of god my arse. A disciple of Jesus Christ?  Please.
 
Active members will see this movie as persecution. Very few will stop to consider the implications of the film. They dont want to know the truth. As I have said before. Mormonism has almost nothing to do with truth. It is about empire.
 
I will watch this movie and be glad that there is negative publicity offered to a rapacious faith. But I will mourn the Fancher party. I will be sad to think of teenage girls being shot in the head at point blanck range. I am sure they begged for their lives . When 19th century mormons were in a killing mood they would kill anyone for their zeal. Such happens when one is a member of a violent religion.   
 
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free thinker:
After reading Under The Banner of Heaven I came to the realization that the church I used to be a member of was  a very violent faith. Wherever mormons went in the 19th century bloodshed soon followed.


 
I haven't read the book but how do you think those Missourians who claimed to have the gun that 'shot ole Joe' contributed to the situation?  I am not excusing the church but if you are traveling through an area controlled by Mormons it is not too smart to go spouting off about how you helped kill their prophet.  Do you think these guys were trying to talk tough to act like they could take on the Mormons or they were just being ignorant blow hards?  
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Posted: 17 March 2007 04:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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Wow! If the movie is as powerful as the trailer the Church has to be pretty concerned about it.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0qxsaBkAiU
 
 
Here's a news story about the movie:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxwuKKwD3q4&mode=related&search=
 
 

Oops!
 
Another two decades of missionaries throwing seeds on barren soil.
 
Tragedy really!  ::Not::
 
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Helamon: I haven't read the book but how do you think those Missourians who claimed to have the gun that 'shot ole Joe' contributed to the situation?  I am not excusing the church but if you are traveling through an area controlled by Mormons it is not too smart to go spouting off about how you helped kill their prophet.  Do you think these guys were trying to talk tough to act like they could take on the Mormons or they were just being ignorant blow hards?  


I need to review the details on the MMM again, but I think the rumor that there were Missourians in the wagon train that bragged about shooting "ole Joe" is just that -- a rumor.

First of all, this wasn't a wagon train from Missouri. It was from Arkansas, and was comprised of Arkansans.

Secondly, the rumor mill changed over time. At first, it was rumored that this wagon train poisoned some Indian wells and that was why the Indians were so enraged that they wanted to kill the whole train. Later, when it was pretty well established that white men were involved, the story changed. This time, the Indians were forcing the white men to help them in their atrocity. But, miracle of miracles, it's OK, because the white men heard it from someone who heard it from someone who ran a store somewhere in Northern Utah, that there were people in the wagon train who were bragging about killing the Prophet.

The problem is, there is no journal entry (that I remember of, anyway) from anyone along the way who recorded the wagon train saying this at the time the wagon train was in their area. It was all hearsay. I'm going back and reviewing the evidence before the movie comes out just to make sure, but I don't remember any first-hand accounts that were recorded at the time the journal-writers would have made contact with the wagon train. Nor is there any mention of such harrassment in any of the local papers (again, that I remember of) at the time the Fancher party would have been in their area. As I recall, all such reports were reported some time after the massacre, and relied on rather ambiguous sources.

To be fair, there was an unruly, unsavory character that the wagon train picked up in Fort Bridger, or someplace, that was quite vocal about his dislike of the Mormons, but he wasn't originally part of the Fancher party. He was an add-on as they passed through the Salt Lake Valley. And, if this person's speech against the locals was really that bad, then Bill Hickman, or some other Danite would have dealt with him while he was still in their backyard. Afterall, this man had been in Salt Lake for quite a while before the Fancher party came to town.

I think the rumor that the wagon train contained killers of Joseph Smith is an ad hoc excuse created by the guilty parties to try to excuse their actions and garner sympathy from other Utahns. I don't believe it actually happened.

Now, I may be wrong on the timeline. Maybe the rumors were circulating throughout Utah while the Fancher party was around, which would have contributed to the hatred of the party. But I'm pretty sure I recall that the rumors were largely unfounded, making the party quite innocent of contributing to the violence against them.
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amberale:Now, I may be wrong on the timeline. Maybe the rumors were circulating throughout Utah while the Fancher party was around, which would have contributed to the hatred of the party. But I'm pretty sure I recall that the rumors were largely unfounded, making the party quite innocent of contributing to the violence against them.
 
So in your opinion was the motivation simply pure greed for the possessions of the Fancher Party? 
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amberale:Now, I may be wrong on the timeline. Maybe the rumors were circulating throughout Utah while the Fancher party was around, which would have contributed to the hatred of the party. But I'm pretty sure I recall that the rumors were largely unfounded, making the party quite innocent of contributing to the violence against them.
 
So in your opinion was the motivation simply pure greed for the possessions of the Fancher Party? 

 
After I posted this last night, I started thinking about it some more. I still am going to read up again on the subject, but I seem to remember that the rumors regarding the Fancher party's involvement in JS's murder were floating around prior to the massacre, sparking hatred of the wagon train. I still think, however, that the rumors were unfounded; that they didn't actually say all those things, but the crucial point was that the So. Utah residents believed that the Fancher party said those things.
 
I think that if Johnston's army hadn't been heading into Utah, which sparked a great deal of war rhetoric from SLC, which in turn caused Utahns to see all emigrants from the States as the enemy, the MMM wouldn't have happened.
 
So, no, I don't think it was greed toward the wagon train. I think it was misplaced anger and frustration toward their perceived enemy, Johnston's army, combined with their collective experiences of injustices (Missouri and Nauvoo), which was also combined with over 10 years of nursing those injustices into a very real persecution complex mentality that survives in the Church to this day.
 
The Fancher party just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and suffered the consequences of So. Utah's rage -- a rage that had very complex origins.
 
But, to the point of my earlier post, the Fancher party didn't initiate the rage with anything they said. I think the Northern Utahns were suspicious of them, and by the time the rumors got to Southern Utah, they were blown completely out of proportion, and had very little semblence of truth.
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After reading the various thoughtful posts on the reasoning behind the MMM, and I think I understand the reasoning behind these comments, I still wonder, even if there was a lot of "We killed your prophet" rhetoric going around from some in the Fancher party (which as you say probably isn't true) and even if there was a lot of frustration among the mormons at the time, how does any of this explain or justify the cold blooded way in which these men of the true and everlasting church slaughtered every man woman and child in this party?  How does one justify this kind of killing under any circumstances.  Even if they were taking an aggressive posture toward the Utah mormons, which is isn't true, IMO,nand would have been just plain stupid, how does it explain killing every man, woman and child? And how does it explain the leader of this so-called restored church visiting the killing field and kicking over the memorial stones of those slaughtered?  I hope September Dawn gives the so-called true and everlasting church a good kick in the virtual balls and brings them to their knees.
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Under The Banner of Heaven does mention that the Fancher party were reported to be a bit boisterous while they were in SLC. I dont remember the exact details but I remember that. When I read it I thought that was stupid on the part of the Fanchers but Like Hamar said hardly justification for cold blooded murder.
 
 
One correction Hamar. They did not kill the young children. Those children were mostly returned as orphans to various families in Arkansas I believe. But they definately did kill the tennage girls and boys. And they definately did shoot them at point blanck range. The forensic examinations showed that as fact. Very heinous. When the forensics team started to peice together how violent the attack was the church took back the remains and closed the case. Sound familiar. Cough. Book of Abraham. Cough
 
 
There is another blood chilling detail from Under The Banner that I found very disturbing. A game of horseshoes being played nonchalantely by mormons as they heard the screams of the women and children being slaughtered nearby. This is the stuff that is impossible to reconcile no matter who you are.  Many do not realize that Krakauer weaves the story of the Fancher party in with the grisley Provo murders committed by the Lafferty brothers. The book outlines and provides evidence of mormonism being a very violent faith.
 
 
Amberale is correct. There was quite a maelstrom at the time and there was sentiment that the mormons were again going to be displace and killed. This of course is still not justification for murder. What it shows is that when given majority status mormons were just as lethal as the mobs in Missouri and Illinois. They could have let the Fancher party pass through to California.
 
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FT, I think I understood that the very young children were not slaughtered, but probably didn't articulate that very well.  It still makes me angry to revisit the facts surrounding this whole disturbing story and, as we have both said, nothing justifies what happened to those people at the hands of mormons who were very likely following directions from a so-called prophet of the lard.
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FT, I think I understood that the very young children were not slaughtered, but probably didn't articulate that very well.  It still makes me angry to revisit the facts surrounding this whole disturbing story and, as we have both said, nothing justifies what happened to those people at the hands of mormons who were very likely following directions from a so-called prophet of the lard. 
 
 
 
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It is one of the worst atrocities in American history. You will get no disagreement from me.  It is almost certain that Brigham Young initiated it. A fly did not fart in the Utah territory without him knowing and giving consent.
 
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FT, I think I understood that the very young children were not slaughtered, but probably didn't articulate that very well.  It still makes me angry to revisit the facts surrounding this whole disturbing story and, as we have both said, nothing justifies what happened to those people at the hands of mormons who were very likely following directions from a so-called prophet of the lard. 
 
 
 
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It is one of the worst atrocities in American history. You will get no disagreement from me.  It is almost certain that Brigham Young initiated it. A fly did not fart in the Utah territory without him knowing and giving consent.
 
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I have read in the past that the mormon elders knelt in a prayer circle and prayed before the slaughter began , if this is true , which i think it is , i would have to think their was a lot of spiritual reasoning behind the mass killing , perhaps this was seen as a way of atoning for the blood of smith pratt and others , it has a resemblance to the slaughter of cananites by the israelites wherein they were commanded to slaughter all of them and none to be spared , in this case the israelites spared a few which brought the wrath of god upon them .
 
the bible states , thou shalt not kill , however this command seems to be overidden if the prophet of the lord himself deems the death of certain peoples to be legitimate .
 
personaly i believe that Brigham young personaly ordered the death of these people , it seems to be interconnected with the murder of parley pratt which happened six weeks earlier, despite all this i don,t believe mormonism is a violent faith , these particular conditions were extreme , this is all somehow linked to laws of atonement and sacrifice that Brigham young believed in , i have read other instances where mormons have taken their own lives , believing that they had sinned beyond redemption and must atone for their own sins by shedding their own blood upon the ground  . Brigham young taught these kind of principles , maybe i should take take one statement back , mormonism has shown itself under certain conditions to be violent and destructive
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hamar:After reading the various thoughtful posts on the reasoning behind the MMM, and I think I understand the reasoning behind these comments, I still wonder, even if there was a lot of "We killed your prophet" rhetoric going around from some in the Fancher party (which as you say probably isn't true) and even if there was a lot of frustration among the mormons at the time, how does any of this explain or justify the cold blooded way in which these men of the true and everlasting church slaughtered every man woman and child in this party?  How does one justify this kind of killing under any circumstances.  Even if they were taking an aggressive posture toward the Utah mormons, which is isn't true, IMO,nand would have been just plain stupid, how does it explain killing every man, woman and child? And how does it explain the leader of this so-called restored church visiting the killing field and kicking over the memorial stones of those slaughtered?  I hope September Dawn gives the so-called true and everlasting church a good kick in the virtual balls and brings them to their knees.

BTW, I was just reading Juanita Brooks' book, and maybe I'm wrong about the Fancher party. Maybe they were a bit boistrous in their complaints about the Mormons. One reason that they might have been angry with the Utah residents is that -- as per the explicit order of Brigham Young -- no one would sell them any supplies for their trip. No food, no clothes, nothing. So that probably ticked off the wagon train.

But, like you said, there was absolutely no reason to wipe them all out. None whatsoever. I think we could delve into the psychology behind the attack, but in truth, probably no one here could even come close to understanding how the residents could slaughter those poor people like they did.
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free thinker:Those children were mostly returned as orphans to various families in Arkansas
 
I have always read that the orphans that were too young to remember the events clearly were kept and raised as Mormons in Utah. Spoils of war and all that I guess.
 
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Thunderchops:
free thinker:Those children were mostly returned as orphans to various families in Arkansas
 
I have always read that the orphans that were too young to remember the events clearly were kept and raised as Mormons in Utah. Spoils of war and all that I guess.
 
Do you have a source for their return to Arkansas? 


 
Welcome to our community! Now it's yours too. 
 
Isn't it ironic that the Church is complaining that the movie doesn't depict history accurately.  It's probably much more accurate than the recent Joseph Smith movie they came out with!
 
 
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Welcome to our community! Now it's yours too. 
 
Isn't it ironic that the Church is complaining that the movie doesn't depict history accurately.  It's probably much more accurate than the recent Joseph Smith movie they came out with!
 
 


 
Thanks for the welcome. :)  Without a doubt the JS movies that have come out recently are rife with historical inaccuracies.  I'm actually debating on renting a few for a weekend and pointing out each historical fallacy. Things we know are false thanks to documentation of Smith's peers.
 
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But I will mourn the Fancher party. I will be sad to think of teenage girls being shot in the head at point blanck range. I am sure they begged for their lives . <snip>
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free thinker:Those children were mostly returned as orphans to various families in Arkansas
 
I have always read that the orphans that were too young to remember the events clearly were kept and raised as Mormons in Utah. Spoils of war and all that I guess.
 
Do you have a source for their return to Arkansas? 


 
Not being FT, I can't answer for them, but I too remember doing research into this topic.
 
The Mormons killed everyone older than 7-8 as I recall. They then divvied up the kids and sent them to live with the families of the men involved.
 
It wasn't until the US army found out about what had happened that the children were gathered up and returned to relatives in Arkansas.
 
I'll have to take a look and see if I can find a source for that.
 
On an interesting side note, I absolutely despite the apologetic argument in defense of Brigham Young.
 
I'm certain you've all heard it. "They sent a letter to Brigham to ask what they should do with the party. His reply telling them to leave them alone didn't get there in time."
 
Makes me sick.
 
A. There is no evidence that this letter was asking for guidance. If I recall my information properly, it actually was informative in nature.
 
B. Even if they were asking for guidance, why would they need to be told not to kill? Isn't not murdering the default position? 


   


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B. Even if they were asking for guidance, why would they need to be told not to kill? Isn't not murdering the default position? 


 
This should be a big red flag for a lot of TBMs.  These people weren't entirely opposed to the idea of killing their perceived enemies because blood atonement was a very real part of life for early Mormons under Brigham Young's thumb.   It's most likely the most drastic example of it occurring (certainly the largest scale example), but it far from isolated when it comes down to early Saints doling out divine vengeance.
 
Apologists can spin it any way they want. They will never be able to shake the fact that blood atonement was viewed as viable retribution by church leadership for certain infractions against their faith.  It was something early saints lived with. It was something early leaders were proponents of.  
 
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Oh geez, I have to see this movie. A shame it's rated R so no Mormons will watch it, eh?
 
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In one of my husband's litigation groups in which he is a member, they happened to have just read the actual trial brief and court case against the mormon member who was actually found tried and executed for this massacre.  He was explaining to me just a few weeks ago how the original case was against Brigham Young himself for ordering the massacre, however, the members managed to basically turn on a "fall guy" member and point the finger at him and swear by their testimony that he in fact gave the orders to kill, in order to protect and save Young, their prophet and leader.  The US government was after Young but they couldn't get members to testify against him...... who was basically as good as god to them.  I will see if he could post a link to the actual case and/or do another thread on the actual case.  When I showed him the movie trailer from here, he was really interested to see how they will portray the actual court case and if it will end as history did with the guy being shot to death by firing squad, basically he just fell dead into his pre-dug grave.  He looks forward to seeing the film to see how they portray the legal action which resulted against the mormons.


   


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I have always read that the orphans that were too young to remember the events clearly were kept and raised as Mormons in Utah. Spoils of war and all that I guess.
 
Do you have a source for their return to Arkansas? 


 
 
 
Hello Thunderchops. Welcome.
 
 
The following information comes from page 225 of Under The Banner of Heaven.
 
The children that were not killed totaled seventeen. They were taken into the homes of the LDS people some of whom had killed their parents. In 1859 a government agent came and retrieved all seventeen of the children from the mormon families and returned them to Arkansas. Before the mormons who had them would turn them over they demanded thousands of dollars for the costs of feeding and schooling them. Such audacity!  
 
 
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In one of my husband's litigation groups in which he is a member, they happened to have just read the actual trial brief and court case against the mormon member who was actually found tried and executed for this massacre.  He was explaining to me just a few weeks ago how the original case was against Brigham Young himself for ordering the massacre, however, the members managed to basically turn on a "fall guy" member and point the finger at him and swear by their testimony that he in fact gave the orders to kill, in order to protect and save Young, their prophet and leader.  The US government was after Young but they couldn't get members to testify against him...... who was basically as good as god to them.  I will see if he could post a link to the actual case and/or do another thread on the actual case.  When I showed him the movie trailer from here, he was really interested to see how they will portray the actual court case and if it will end as history did with the guy being shot to death by firing squad, basically he just fell dead into his pre-dug grave.  He looks forward to seeing the film to see how they portray the legal action which resulted against the mormons.


 
 
 
This man's name was John D. Lee and Krakauer shows in detail how he was framed and made to be the fall guy.
 
He in fact spoke his last words sitting on his coffin in the same place the Fancher Party had been killed. They shot four balls through his heart and he fell into the coffin. These were his last words before asking to be shot through the heart so as not to mangle his body.
 
 
"  A victim must be had, and I am the victim. I have been scarificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner" 
 
 
Before he died Lee published his life story which was posthumously published and titled  Mormonism Unveiled. In it he made this statement.
 
 
" I was guided in all I did which is called criminal by the orders of the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have never knowingly disobeyed the orders of the Church since I joined it at Far West, Missouri, until I was deserted by Brigham Young and his slaves". 

 
 
 
 
 





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" I was guided in all I did which is called criminal by the orders of the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I have never knowingly disobeyed the orders of the Church since I joined it at Far West, Missouri, until I was deserted by Brigham Young and his slaves". 






 


 
John D. Lee was the adopted son of BY wasn't he?  Or was it one of those law of adoption adoptions, where the apostles were sealed to grown men. 
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John D. Lee was the adopted son of BY wasn't he?  Or was it one of those law of adoption adoptions, where the apostles were sealed to grown men. 


 
 
 
Yes I think there was something like that involved.
 
 
 
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That makes me feel sick in my stomach.... so unfair and sinister.   Have you read his book?  Just curious if it is interesting to read.   


 
 
 
Yes I read it some time ago. It is a good book but it is painful to read because it also is about a double murder committed by two fundamentalist mormon brothers in Provo Utah in the seventies. Krakauer ties all the bloodshed into one whole and then attaches it's origins to mormonism as the catalyst. 
 
After you read the book you realize that the violence has it's roots in mormon teachings. From Missouri to Nauvoo to Salt Lake City and the Mountian Meadows in Southern Utah. The trail of blood is rooted in violent faith. The faith that many adhere to today. Mormonism.
 
 
This is not fiction. Like Ronald Reagan used to say. " Facts are stubborn things."
 
 
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Some thoughts on the historical context of this film's release.
 
Hollywood is adept at writing scripts about historical events in a manner that resonates with some current dynamic. As an example, look at the various incarnations of King Kong, which has been rewritten several times, on each occasion picking up the hot themes of the day, and overlaying them over the basic King King story.
 
What are the hottest topics in the world right now? Islamist extremism, Bush's narrow view of the world, and his fundamentalist religious view.
 
So what do we have in the personage of the historical Brigham Young? A religious fundamentalist who brooks no dissent, and  fuels his people's existing paranoia. Paranoia begets paranoia and fuel outsiders beliefs that the religion is dangerously different.
 
I am predicting this movie will get broad critical review because of the lessons its focus offers the modern world. I am predicting that public commentators are going to be all over this, and it will get heaps of airtime in chat programs and the like.
 
The date of this event will also help cement it in the mind of mainstream people after 911. This movie should help cement the event in non-Mormon's minds as 'the Other 911', which people will easily recall as the date that some piece of Mormon infamy went down.
 
This movie likely won't sway those held captive to MoInc's fundy mindset, but it should do no end of damage to missionary work. The (adult) people who died at Waco and Jonestown were in small part willing victims of the craziness they had bought into. The Fancher Party was innocent, and the image of men shooting victims, inluding children under 10, at near point blank range and then conspiring to cover such guilt with weird Masonic-like oaths, should stick well in the public's mind.
 
All this makes me wonder about the impact of being a party to such a lie. John Bradshaw speaks of toxic family secrets in his work, and events like murder and incest are right at the top end of the scale of toxicity.This is the sort of ugly secret people either told on their death bed, or took with them. Interestingly Bradshaw speaks of some evidence that even when such events go unspoken, they somehow still get transmitted from generation to generation, going on exacting a horrible price.
 
Is there any evidence in those communities that were party to these events of ongoing toxic shame and damage? It is likely that the release of this film will reignite such shame possibly buried under scar tissue. I can see media reporters heading into those communities to get opinions. These issues don't just go disappear into thin air, much as MoInc might like them to. 
 
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John D. Lee was the adopted son of BY wasn't he?  Or was it one of those law of adoption adoptions, where the apostles were sealed to grown men. 


I'm kinda late chiming in here, and amberale actually made most of the points I would have made.  There is a lot of very interesting study to be had with regard to the Mountain Meadow Massacre, and we are wise to investigate it thoroughly, and understand it in the context in which it occurred. 
 
Regarding John D. Lee, he was indeed a "temple adopted" son of Brigham Young.  In the early days, there was a temple ordinance that is no longer practiced, namely the adoptive sealing of men to higher church authorities, for the purpose of creating a great network of men and their families ultimately all of whom were sealed to Joseph Smith (in the lingo of Multi-level Marketing, Joseph was expanding his downline....)  When you read Lee's accounts of the events of the early church, as well as what transpired up until he was scapegoated for the MMM, it is apparent that his temple adoption was as important, if not more so, then his own biological lineage. 
 
In a sense, temple adoption was sort of the male companion of plural wives.  It allowed a higher church leader to expand his family many, many times in order to establish the greatest kingdom possible in the hereafter. 
 
However, John D. Lee's adoption is the only one of note that I am personally familiar with. 
 
I've read Juanita Brook's "Mountain Meadow Massacre," and recommend it.
 
I've read Kraukauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven," and recommend it.
 
I've read Will Bagley's "Blood of the Prophets," and highly recommend it.
 
I've read Lee's "Mormonism Unveiled" and recomend it cautiously.  The reader has to understand that it was actually compiled posthumously by Lee's defense attorney, who clearly had an axe to grind with Brigham Young and the Mormon church, and while there are lot's of interesting and important tidbits to be found in there, you have to always remember that it's hard to know how truly factual all the accounts are.  What we do know is that Lee was a prodigeous journal keeper, and there is a lot of written material from his own hand.  Only half of Mormonism Unveiled is the alleged work of Lee, however...the rest is from his lawyer, as well as the editing, compiling and publication of the book.  But don't get me wrong...it's an interesting read!
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Interestingly Bradshaw speaks of some evidence that even when such events go unspoken, they somehow still get transmitted from generation to generation, going on exacting a horrible price.
 
 
 
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This idea resonates with me deeply. It is one of those things for which we simply do not have words to describe but I think it is true. I am sure you know that when one goes into treatment for addictions and employs the twelve steps, they are encouraged to employ a searching and fearless moral inventory.  I see the same dynamic involved here. It think it is hard for any organization to progress when it harbors atrocities like the Mountain Meadows.
 
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I am very much looking forward to this movie. MMM was one of the things I knew nothing about until after I left the church and started learning more about the past and the history of it all. It absolutely sickened me when I first heard about it, and continues to do so. I really hope this film does some shaking and brings up questions that far too many people have never even been asked. 

   


            
 
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What if the whole world converted to Mormonism?  
Posted: 11 April 2007 09:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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Buried deep in another thread, one of our new posters, GetALife, made a comment that I thought could generate some interesting discussions. So, I created this thread based on part of his post.

I hope GetALife doesn't mind that I do this, and I have to point out that I'm only pulling out part of the post, so it's not in context. It's just that the following comment was interesting all by itself:
As a theology, it seems that Mormonism is the bomb (see, e.g., Blake Ostler). If there is no valid theology, Mormonism is probably a way above average way to keep the next generation in line (and, believe me, I think that THAT is, on balance, a positive result. If all humans were Mormons, would humanity benefit? Probably.).

I know that part of the quote doesn't make a lot of sense out of context, but I'm interested in discussing the idea of all humans being Mormon. So, imagine for a moment, if the whole world converted to Mormonism. And, for the sake of argument, let's say that the brand of Mormonism was the same as found in the LDS culture today. In other words, it wouldn't be some funky version, like the way Catholicism tends to morph into a very different thing when embraced by a newly converted population. Let's assume that the majority of the religious folks throughout the world would hold the same views as the current breed of Orthodox and Conservative Mormons. Furthermore, let's assume that the relative proportions of Orthodox, Conservative, Sunstone, and Nazi Mormons stayed relatively the same too.

I'll leave it up to the forum to decide if the activity rate is around the US average (circa 50%) or whether it's more in line with Latin America and Europe (circa 20% - 25%).

Given this scenario, what would be the consequences? What good things would come of a complete LDS domination of the religious world? What would be the negative consequences?

I think this is a very valid question, because LDS doctrine maintains that one day -- in the millenium -- the LDS Church will be the only practical religious option. And, I remember at least one prophet (can't remember which one right now) mentioning that most of the problems found in the world would simply go away if everyone in the world embraced the Gospel. So, let's think about it. What would the world be like if it really happened?


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Posted: 11 April 2007 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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amberale:
So, let's think about it. What would the world be like if it really happened?


 
Just look at what is happening at BYU over the VP.  Freedom of the press would be supressed.
Evolution would not be taught.
Child molesters would never be sent to jail, and their victims would be made to feel guilty.
Homosexuality would be illegal and treated with shock and aversion therapy.
Facial hair would be outlawed.
There would be a 10% flat tax but social services would be minimal and all government jobs would be performed by lay volunteers except for the highest positions.
Scholarly research would be limited to topics that do not question Mormon theology and doctrine.
World history would be revised to show how all ancient religions were originally Mormon and how all of history has been directed by God to bring about the restoration. 
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Posted: 11 April 2007 02:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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This is actually a very interesting question to me, and I think it exposes the problem of "world domination" of a single theology, be it Mormonism, christianity at large, Islam, even atheism, or any other single viewpoint.  I want to look at this from two different perspectives:  diversity and systems theory.
 
From the diversity perspective, I believe we would find that intellectual growth would by stymied, assuming you actually COULD level the playing field and make everyone a practicing Mormon.  Once everyone lines up with a unified view of the world, the universe, how to raise children, how to organize, how to sing, how to behave relative to one another, I think we would find ourselves in a very bland, vanilla world.  Intellectual growth would cease.  Pursuit of happiness would cease.
 
But more imporantly, it's simply not possible to achieve the absence of diversity, given the systems problems of trying to do so.  The fact of the matter is, there are infinitely diverse minds on this planet, and their intellectual and spiritual needs are multi-faceted.  Mormonism meets the needs of some of those minds.  It doesn't meet the needs of most (apparently).  Islam meets the needs of many.  Buddhism meets the needs of many.  Hinduism meets the needs of many.  Atheism meets the needs of many.  People clump together under models and paradigms to which they resonate, and Mormonism EXISTS because it resonated with a certain subset of folks who WANT that brand of religiosity.  The people here are examples of folks--good, thoughtful, intelligent folks--for whom that brand DIDN'T work.  That doesn't even need to be an indictment of Mormonism; it simpy says that it's good for some, not so good for others.
 
Systems theory, coupled with natural diversity, ensures that "every human" could never be Mormon.  It's impossible, without the force of law, enforced by a crushing military--which flies in the face of free agency. 
 
The diversity of people feeds the system to ensure that new and innovative ways of being spiritual will continue to be explored, some of which will take root and flourish, and most of which will die with the innovator.  The same is true for Mormonism...it is morphing before our eyes, and has done so since it's establishment nearly 200 years ago.  If one believes in God, one must assume that God created the diversity of mind on purpose...he must, therefore, be fairly tolerant of multiple ways of participating with him in the spiritual quest...
 
Lastly, I think getalife and others who believe that Mormonism is "the bomb", and subsequently the best way to "be" have likely not had the opportunity to really experience, with an open mind and open heart, the goodness and quality of MOST people with whom we share this planet.  The truth is, MOST people want healthy, happy, well-adjusted, well-educated children, and work hard to achieve that.  MOST people want to participate in the industry of their community, work for what they achieve, and do it out of the same sense of fairness and equity that is supposedly the Mormon ideal.  MOST people abide by a deeply established sense of morality that benefits the community, and MOST of those moral norms align with Mormon norms.  It is this very sense of connectedness with MOST people on the planet that I was talking about in my "metanarrative" over on that thread, and the proposition that getalife proposes is one I would have agreed with when I was a Mormon, under my old "metanarrative."  I no longer agree.
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I agree with peter_mary (so what else is new ). When I was a TBM, I looked at the world only through that prism. The entire population of the planet was made up of the Saints, and those who would eventually become Saints. When I met happy and contented gentiles, I would rhetorically ask myself "How can they be so happy? They're not LDS. They have no Liahona to keep them heading in the right direction. Theyre lost. They only think they're happy."
 
It wasn't until I stepped "out of the box," "put away the prism," "opened up my mind," or whatever phrase you like, that I realized that most people, regardless of religious beliefs, are just inherently good. They respect one another, they're honest, they're loving, they care about others. I realized that "morality" is not driven into people with the hammer of religious doctrine. It's already there. It's when we allow religion to make the decision for us that we become corrupt, because we no longer have responsibility for what we do. It's God's will. It's what allows people like Fred Phelps to dishonor fallen GIs as "fag enablers," it allows the Jim Joneses of the world to lead people to their suicidal deaths, it allows corrupt religious leaders to marry multiple and underage women, and it allows evil men to fly planes into buildings in expectation of God's favor.
 
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What if a big asteroid hit the earth?
 
It wouldn't be good for humanity or the planet.
 
One world religion is not the answer. It would cause wars and strife just in and of itself as people wanted freedom.
 
Can you imagine the Jesus of the New Testament going for a restrictive religion and government? Who was he speaking out against? Why was he crucified?
 
 
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Posted: 11 April 2007 03:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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Robert A. Heinlein: "It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." 

   


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Posted: 11 April 2007 03:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]   

   
 
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Whose version of Jesus Christ?
 
Since he isn't here to "rule" then who do we listen to? And why should we listen to him? Why not listen to Buddha or to the followers of Vishnu or perhaps to Vishnu himself. Vishnu was a savior too.
 

avirtualstranger:The question should be, what if the whole world listened to Jesus Christ and let him rule over them in peace?
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avirtualstranger:The question should be, what if the whole world listened to Jesus Christ and let him rule over them in peace?
 
Hi virtualstranger, well that depends on how you define the character of Jesus of Nazareth, and whether you consider him God. 
 
He seemed to consider himself a son of God, and told his detractors that there was none good but God.
 
He is also quoted as saying some quite contradictory things.  We only have his words second hand after all.
 
One thing's for sure, we have been given freedom to choose, freedom to think, and beyond obvious social negatives such as murder, and child sexual abuse, freedom to act. ...and any group that curtails that freedom too much, particularly freedom of religion (which is actually enshrined in the LDS article of faith) is on a speedy course to a totalitarian regime which imho is the diametric opposite of my interpretation of the reality of our existence and Gods intention for our optimum growth. 
 
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avirtualstranger:The question should be, what if the whole world listened to Jesus Christ and let him rule over them in peace?
What if it turned out to be that "Jesus Christ" was just some guy high on opiates all the time?  Then we might as well just listen to the crazy guy in the white house and let him *rule over us in peace*.  I think we ought to all question everything and use our minds to find inner peace. 


   


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Theoretically, if the church REALLY did practice what it preaches there would be some benefits.
Property would be redivided so there was no true poverty or starvation
War would cease with a simple declaration from salt lake
Fighting in Africa over government control would stop by putting a church leader in charge
Everyone would eventually know where everyone else was coming from so problems with miscommunication would be minimal
All people would have the means to get a higher education
Now, aside from the fact that this will never happen and the church doesn't really function with that level of humanitarian interest, there would be some VERY serious consequences, some of which  have already been mentioned
stagnation of thought and obliteration of expansive thinking
complete genocide or brainwashing of anyone that speaks out "they are possessed by the devil"
doctors would likely be replaced by priesthood holders and if the blessing doesn't heal it's god's will that you die
everyone would have a specific job
history books would not contain anything that put the church, the US, or anything related to the two in a bad light.  Eventually history books might be watered down to show in the past there was a perfect state of contentment.
women would become june cleaver and stay home and clean house and raise kids and never stop smiling (welcome to Stepford)
An interesting side not is...  If heaven is full of mormons I really would be happier in hell.  It is a version of heaven that makes me physically ill.
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miss taken:
He seemed to consider himself a son of God, and told his detractors that there was none good but God.


 
Mary, all we know is that his much later followers (one to two generations later) believed he was God and intimated that he said he was.
 
If you look at the core teachings of Jesus, he was simply following in the Hillel school of thought. Jesus may have thought he was the Jewish Messiah (as many others at the time and afterweards did) but that does not mean he thought he was G_d. That would be a very unJewish thing to do. And by all accounts Jesus and his immediate followers and family were devout Jews.
 
For information on this see the Passover Plot, Jesus Rabbi, and The Life and Teachings of Hillel. 
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peter_mary:
People clump together under models and paradigms to which they resonate 


 
Do you really feel this is the case or is it more a function of the dominant social customs of their immediate friends and family as well as larger cultural forces of the society in which they live.  Do we adopt a belief structure because it is the one we agree with the most or because it is the one with which we are the most familiar and comfortable and which affords us the most amount of social acceptance?  I think the majority of religious adherents do not know anyother belief system or not in depth enough to make an educated assessment that would enable them to compare it with their current belief structure.  And I think there is more of a tribal allegiance to belief structures than there is to the specific doctrines of the religion. As you noted at the most basic level all the religions are addressing the same human desires and for the most part have fairly comparable answers in a lot of the major areas.  So what religion you identify with may be more closely aligned to what brand of belief seems to fit the closest with who you are and who your friends are.  That said, I do believe there are some people who seriously investigated various religions and picked the one that they found spoke the most truth to them, but I think most people are too busy with their day to day lives and may never experience a life altering event that would cause them to question the beliefs they were handed as a child. 
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avirtualstranger:Whomever. The question still applies.
 
What makes you think Jesus would rule over the world in Peace?  The NT says that when he returns it will be to kick some *ss.  His actions at the temple clearly show that he is capable of violent outbursts and he himself said he came to bring a sword that would divide families.  Furthermore, any society in which the members are ruled over in totality by a benevolent god or otherwise is a dictatorship and not the type of society in which I would want to live.  If their is a God then he gave humans a large brain and inquisitive minds that are capable of working out problems on our own.  We might not always make the best decisions but they are our decisions.  Turning everything over to Jesus turns humankind into nothing more than glorified domestic animals.  Maybe that's why he referred to his followers as sheep?  baaaaaaaah 
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<strong>avirtualstranger:</strong>Whomever. The question still applies.
</p> <p> &nbsp; </p> <p> What makes you think Jesus would rule over the world in Peace?&nbsp; The NT says that when he returns it will be to kick some *ss.&nbsp; His actions at the temple clearly show that he is capable of violent outbursts and he himself said he came to bring a sword that would divide families.&nbsp; Furthermore, any society in which the members are ruled over in totality by a benevolent god or otherwise is a dictatorship and not the type of society in which I would want to live.&nbsp; If their is a God then he gave humans a large brain and inquisitive minds that are capable of working out problems on our own.&nbsp; We might not always make the best decisions but they are our decisions.&nbsp; Turning everything over to Jesus turns humankind into nothing more than glorified domestic animals.&nbsp; Maybe that&#39;s why he referred to his followers as sheep?&nbsp; baaaaaaaah&nbsp; </p>
The question should then be, if there was one all knowing and peaceful god, gods or moebius of light, what-have-you, that ruled over the Earth in peace, would the world be a better place. Yes. And for the record, Christ sat aside awhile and braided cords demonstrating patience and the collection of will before action. I wouldn't call that an outburst.
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Posted: 11 April 2007 04:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]   

   
 
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As soon as I saw GetaLife's question, I thought a new forum topic would sprout.
 
I too, used to view the world as a vineyard that needed to be controlled and a field ready for harvest. Then I served a mission, and "put away childish things."
 
Would many of the problems today be solved if everyone became a Mormon? Without consideration to the high inactivity rate, I would say yes! I, however, also think this is true of any religion. For all to be a part of a religion, all would share certain viewpoints that would make living together, globally, more effective.
 
The inactives would certainly throw a wrench into the equation. We would have to consider, for this example, if we want the LDS Church to be THE world government or if the governments of today were still in order. For a look at this, the Vatican is an interesting example. The Pope is the leader of more people than some countries contain, which gives him political clout. I wonder if the Prophet or the Pope were the religious leaders of all in the world, how much powerful would they be? Religion, for most in developed nations, is a matter of choice. Thus, even though the Church would have tremendous clout, I don't think they would be in complete control.
 
Of course, this is all said without the necessary catalyst to cause all people to convert. The Second Coming of Jesus Christ! It is interesting to note that it seems that even the Church, with all its confidence in the validity of the Restoration, will not go as far as to say that Christ, upon his return, would reveal that the LDS Church is in fact the "only true and living Church." I've never understood that. You'd think Christ would be anxious to make such an announcement.
 
You know, I'm not sure of the world would be a better place or not. It wouldn't be perfect, as no man or organization run by man is perfect. I think many have states fears of the repression of science and history. I think this is possible. I also think many social problems would be solved or minimized.
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If every man, woman and child that the missionaries came in contact with decided to join Mormonism, and there were no challenges of 'conversion'. Mormons in general would have no reason to believe they were a 'peculiar people', or that there were 'secret' covenants to be made in exclusive temples, since everyone would be Mormon.  I suggest that if the goal were to be met, and everyone who heard the message believed and converted, that the whole religion of Mormonism would be broken into a caste system, based on worthiness interviews and temple recommend issuance.  Oh, wait, that has already occured within Mormonism. 
 
The reality is that Mormonism needs opposition in order to maintain the illusion of persecution.  Without that, they are just another Christian denomination, and they loose their "eliteness".  They don't really want to convert the world, they want to show themselves and those within their group how special they are for Choosing the Right. They need the Anti-Mormons, the persecutors, the former Mormons who speak out and write books, give seminars and create bulletin boards in order to exist.  Without that, they can't claim to be the 'one true church'.
 
The whole reason my sister refuses to hear anything I have to say about Mormonism and why I left it is so she can maintain the feeling of eliteness, of being chosen and worthy, and feel superior to those who aren't as valiant and faithful.  This is the destructive pattern of the church, creating a sense of superiority over those who follow their own conscience.  They are actually proud of themselves for purposefully avoiding literature or people that will detract from their beliefs and cause them any reason to doubt their testimony.  The more persecuted they are, the more convinced they become of their superiority.  It breaks apart thousands of families every year, when others cannot conform to their ways they are often faced with the loss connection to that part of their life, and find themselves cast out, simply for being true to themselves.  
 
I come from a family where only two people remain out of 8 of us.  But those 2 staunch believers cause such a ripple effect for the other 6 of us that it makes family gatherings tense, and often leaves feelings hurt and egos bruised.  In Mormonism, everything revolves around church activities, either ones just completed or ones coming up.  And when that's all you have to talk about, it makes those on the outside unable to share anything about themselves or their lives for fear of being judged or ridiculed.  
 
I don't think the answer is to make the whole world conform to this system.  Rather the answer lies in being able to accept that each person has their own path, their own inner consciousness, and that there is a purpose for each individual different spiritual needs.  They can't all be met under the umbrella of Mormonism, or any other religion.  Promoting tolerance and understanding of each religious view, and realizing that all paths are valid if it promotes peace, love and devotion to mankind is the only way to stop worldwide violence, wars and turmoil.  
 
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I was just thinking...  If you take the caste system out of Hinduism, and get rid of the people that think Buddha was a god (he didn't believe this) I think either would be okay for a world religion.  They both bsically have the idea that you can chose whichever path you want, find the path that is best for you and worship whatever you feel like because there very well maybe thousands of gods that are equally viable.  Buddhism doesn't profess belief in a specific god, but says basically it doesn't matter if you follow the path to end suffering - when you get to the end if you still wanna know then ask if there is one god or many.  True Hindus actually DO believe that everyone can be right at the same time because there are thousands upon thousands of gods.
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avirtualstranger: The question should then be, if there was one all knowing and peaceful god, gods or moebius of light, what-have-you, that ruled over the Earth in peace, would the world be a better place. Yes. And for the record, Christ sat aside awhile and braided cords demonstrating patience and the collection of will before action. I wouldn't call that an outburst.
Philosophically, this is an interesting question.  And I think I disagree with you.
 
Let me explain.
 
On the face of it, if we "suddenly" caused peace to settle over the world as we know it, and everyone dropped their swords and we had a giant group hug, it would be pretty hard to argue that things wouldn't be better.  Of COURSE they would.
 
But over time, what would happen?  I believe that an important facet of the joy we can know is in comparison to the sorrow we also know.  We know happiness because we know suffering.  It is the ebb and flow of the experiences in our life--the times we were fearful, the times we came home safely, the times we couldn't find our child, the times we lost a loved one--that provides the energy to keep moving forward as a human being.
 
I believe that as a species, we NEED that energy to overcome the fear and struggles of life.  If it didn't exist in the world, we would create it...like astartemoonsilver said, we would find new ways to seperate, new caste systems, new methods of creating a dynamic of fear and overcoming, so that we could continue to have something to live FOR.
 
If all of life and living was the peaceful verdant pasture, we'd either get bored beyond comprehension, or figure out how to dig up the pasture and build forts, from which we could start lobbing dirt clods at each other...because we NEED it.  To deny us that existential struggle is akin to denying us the air we breath, (or in the case of me and my parrot-headed friend, the cheeseburgers we seek in paradise...)
 
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If every man, woman and child that the missionaries came in contact with decided to join Mormonism, and there were no challenges of 'conversion'. Mormons in general would have no reason to believe they were a 'peculiar people', or that there were 'secret' covenants to be made in exclusive temples, since everyone would be Mormon.  I suggest that if the goal were to be met, and everyone who heard the message believed and converted, that the whole religion of Mormonism would be broken into a caste system, based on worthiness interviews and temple recommend issuance.  Oh, wait, that has already occured within Mormonism. 
 
The reality is that Mormonism needs opposition in order to maintain the illusion of persecution.  Without that, they are just another Christian denomination, and they loose their "eliteness".  They don't really want to convert the world, they want to show themselves and those within their group how special they are for Choosing the Right. They need the Anti-Mormons, the persecutors, the former Mormons who speak out and write books, give seminars and create bulletin boards in order to exist.  Without that, they can't claim to be the 'one true church'.
 
The whole reason my sister refuses to hear anything I have to say about Mormonism and why I left it is so she can maintain the feeling of eliteness, of being chosen and worthy, and feel superior to those who aren't as valiant and faithful.  This is the destructive pattern of the church, creating a sense of superiority over those who follow their own conscience.  They are actually proud of themselves for purposefully avoiding literature or people that will detract from their beliefs and cause them any reason to doubt their testimony.  The more persecuted they are, the more convinced they become of their superiority.  It breaks apart thousands of families every year, when others cannot conform to their ways they are often faced with the loss connection to that part of their life, and find themselves cast out, simply for being true to themselves.  
 
I come from a family where only two people remain out of 8 of us.  But those 2 staunch believers cause such a ripple effect for the other 6 of us that it makes family gatherings tense, and often leaves feelings hurt and egos bruised.  In Mormonism, everything revolves around church activities, either ones just completed or ones coming up.  And when that's all you have to talk about, it makes those on the outside unable to share anything about themselves or their lives for fear of being judged or ridiculed.  
 
I don't think the answer is to make the whole world conform to this system.  Rather the answer lies in being able to accept that each person has their own path, their own inner consciousness, and that there is a purpose for each individual different spiritual needs.  They can't all be met under the umbrella of Mormonism, or any other religion.  Promoting tolerance and understanding of each religious view, and realizing that all paths are valid if it promotes peace, love and devotion to mankind is the only way to stop worldwide violence, wars and turmoil.  
 


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This is the second recent post that on this same idea and this leads me to believe only one thing.... that members buy into the propaganda and fuzzy and invented math and claims of converts and practicing mormons worldwide in a hugely inflated and over exaggerated in giant proportions.  I don't know what the church is declaring these days, but other non-lds sources say that only about 1% of the world's population are practing Mormonism.  99% is a long way to go.  Of the converts outside of the US, only a very small percent of them actually continue to practice the religion.  The mormon church may wish to convert the world and follow their end times beliefs they will dominate the world and everyone will joyfully and happily join the "one true church", but they heavily fudge numbers to make their isolated and controlled members to believe they are part of a movement that isn't at all "happening" at all. 
 
Would we all just be better off becoming mormons?   
 
If you think it would better to go back to the dark ages of thinking you can "fix" the social ills and societal problems with an "ism".  Why not Communism?  Why not Fascism?  Why not Catholicism?  WHY?
 
Because those social "problems" represent people, like gay people who shouldn't be snuffed out by an "ism".  Other "problems" like addictions, divorce, sexual abuse, etc, still take place under the rule of the LDS church.  Those social ills are just played out in secret, behind closed doors and then if it goes public, the church exerts the authority to force people to submit to abuse or be ex-communicated.  How does a church who openly reject gay people "fix" them without expelling them or supressing them?  Pretending that a religion or social "uptopia" can fairly embrace people as they are and treat all people fairly and not supress basic human rights is painfully naive and downright scarry. 
 
People will never embrace a religion unless there is freedom to search openly, ask questions and CHOOSE what is best for them.  People are never happy when they are submitted to an authority and their version of what is right and what is wrong is imposed on them.  It is a very frightening proposition and only indicative to me that folks have swallowed the fraud the church is perpretrating on the members by making their "work" to dominate the world with "the fullness of the gospel" seem like it is much more than it really is.  Pull you head up out of the LDS sand and look around at the world outsidie of the bubble.  Look at the world religious populations.  Look at China, India, the middle east.  Do yourself a big favor and do some independent checking of the church's claims of numbers of followers and you'll discover the first morsel of the propaganda machine the church is running within the confines of cult control.   I'm sure people here can give plenty of references out there that are independent sources of world religions.  I've read the numbers and it is a totally different story from those of the church.
 
Like Dorothy submits to the "great and powerful Oz", the man behind the curtain is exposed and the "great and powerful Oz" is just a guy trying to make dorothy think something that just isn't.  Look behind the curtain. 
 
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I don't know what the church is declaring these days, but other non-lds sources say that only about 1% of the world's population are practing Mormonism.  99% is a long way to go. 

Very minor nit-pick here, but 1% is way too high of an estimate. If we assume a world-wide average of 30% activity in the Church, which may be a bit generous when including the abysmally low European and Latin American activity rates, coupled with rounding the following figure up so as to give the Church more of the benefit of the doubt, I calculate that only 0.0006 percent of the world's population is active LDS.

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LOL Amberale, I bet what I read that LESS than 1% of the world's population is practicing Mormonism.  thanks for clarifying. 

   


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pnut:LOL Amberale, I bet what I read that LESS than 1% of the world's population is practicing Mormonism.  thanks for clarifying.

Or, it could be that you read 1% as it relates to the US population, which would be pretty close I think.
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LOL Amberale, I bet what I read that LESS than 1% of the world's population is practicing Mormonism.  thanks for clarifying.


 
 
 
But Pnut
 
 
They do have a lot of money and they buy an image with it. They have a very effective public relations machine and they build very large and ornate temples that give the impression of grandeur.
 
"You can buy anything in this world with money".
 
 
If the Mormon church ever makes headway into this domination, I for one will be the first to the barricades. We will bring it down violently. I will be more than willing to sacrifice my life in such a cause.  We will force the Quorum of The Twelve to orchestrate mass killing to maintain order. The Prophet will be as past Popes ruling with  " blood and horror on the earth".  Yes it will be a violent place but it will be full of intrigue and heroism. And later as old men and women we will hark back to the glory of " The Mormon Wars". They will be remembered romantically as the best of times.
 
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With the church's current guidance on proper dress standards (ie...white shirt, tie), hair grooming, and facial hair you could call it "The Clone Wars." tongue wink
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Apocalyptics at its best!
 
In my office today one of the guys mentioned a book called The Road that he was reading. Its a post apocalyptic tale that is very dark.
 
Can you imagine the following scenario:
 
Mormon takes office as the Prez of the US. Holding him to his temple oaths the Prophet counsels with the Prez to start a theocracy. And with the means and money available it happens in the US. And then the US starts on a war of conquest. One country after another...
 
And then we have: 
 

free thinker:
If the Mormon church ever makes headway into this domination, I for one will be the first to the barricades. We will bring it down violently. I will be more than willing to sacrifice my life in such a cause. 


 
Freedom fighters rebelling against the injustice of the Morg led by the  now Theocratic leader of the United Theocracies of America.
 
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free thinker:

LOL Amberale, I bet what I read that LESS than 1% of the world's population is practicing Mormonism.  thanks for clarifying.


 
 
 
But Pnut
 
 
They do have a lot of money and they buy an image with it. They have a very effective public relations machine and they build very large and ornate temples that give the impression of grandeur.
 
"You can buy anything in this world with money".
 
 
If the Mormon church ever makes headway into this domination, I for one will be the first to the barricades. We will bring it down violently. I will be more than willing to sacrifice my life in such a cause.  We will force the Quorum of The Twelve to orchestrate mass killing to maintain order. The Prophet will be as past Popes ruling with  " blood and horror on the earth".  Yes it will be a violent place but it will be full of intrigue and heroism. And later as old men and women we will hark back to the glory of " The Mormon Wars". They will be remembered romantically as the best of times.
 
ft
 
 
 
 


 
 
Don't ask me why, but the whole idea of buying an image makes me think that maybe MoInc should invest to become controlling stock members in Wal-Mart.  They are already good at denying everythin and putting a pretty pictures over scandals and historical errors.  Together with Wal-Mart they would also have a much better shot at the whole world domination thing.
 
Random thought - Walmart makes most of their clothes in third world contries...  Where are garments made?
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Has anyone read the classic novella "If This Goes On--" by Heinlein? It's basically like what Free Thinker and Grape Nephi were describing. The premise is that in the future, a Joseph Smith-like evangelist develops a huge following, gets himself elected U.S. president, and starts a theocracy that lasts for decades (or centuries, I don't remember). But the plot follows a young true-believing dude who works as a guard in the palace of the current "prophet", and is then catalyzed into joining the underground resistance. 

   


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amberale:
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I don't know what the church is declaring these days, but other non-lds sources say that only about 1% of the world's population are practing Mormonism.  99% is a long way to go. 

 
Very minor nit-pick here, but 1% is way too high of an estimate. If we assume a world-wide average of 30% activity in the Church, which may be a bit generous when including the abysmally low European and Latin American activity rates, coupled with rounding the following figure up so as to give the Church more of the benefit of the doubt, I calculate that only 0.0006 percent of the world's population is active LDS.
 

and if we count that among those active mormons a very high percentage may have some inherent sin going on like masturbation or gossiping , the real activity rate world wide becomes .00000000006 %.
 
know didn,t jesus say , call nobody in this world perfect becuase only your father in heaven is perfect .
 
other sins going on undected may be all sex outside of the standard missionary position ,
 
sex whilst being naked ,
 
thinking about sex with the wrong person , even whilst sitting in the temple ,
 
thinking bad words like blast and dam ,
 
looking down on people because of hair styles , earings , tatoos , welfare benifits ,homosexuality, fornication , poverty , color of skin , belief or non belief in some other form of diety , lack of fundermental testimoney , scientific beliefs , choice of language , astrology , wicca , reincarnation and anybody who dare say anything else other than GBH isa true prophet of god , the book of mormon is true and god lives and loves the mormon church more than anybody else .
 
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So this kinda cute couple shows up at my door w an mordern translation of the Bible and a pamphlet to explain the prophecies and stuff in the Bible more fully.  They asked me which picture I liked best - I am just kind of looking at them thinking "The best you can do is a picture?"  So I pick up the book, look in the front for publishing or church info - nothing.  So then I flip to the back and therre it is - Jehovah's Witnesses.  To be honest I am a little surprised there are JWs in the Logan area, and even more so that they would tract in Mendon (an area with quite literally 4 wards for maybe a total population of 500 people).
 
I was willing to listen until after I confirmed the most insane doctrine I had heard that JWs believe.  If they had said, no we have modified this belief based on (literally whatever a direct prophecy, a dream, talking to a salamander) I probably would have given them a chance to talk and find out more.  The whole idea that of all the billions upon billions of people that have EVER lived only 144,000 go to heaven doesn't work for me.  I told them I had just gotten out of the mormon church and really just wasn't interested.  In my head I was saying "I just got out of one cult - so not ready to join another one, thanks but no thanks."
 
On the other hand the WERE unobtrusive, did not even TRY to come into my house, respected what I had to say, answered honestly and didn't press the subject when I said I wasn't interested - they just left.  That is a nice change of pace!  I am totally stoked to find out what religious people are like when you aren't looking at them through LDS blinders!  I don't think I will be able to have a deep faith in Christ like some of those I admire, but I get to look at religious people as strong, thoughtful, loving people instead of misguided and misled - this is a really kewl new perspective!!!!
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It must really suck to be ranked at 144,001 on God's list. If you had knocked on just one more door.....if you'd just showed up for Church that one day when you had the flu, instead of staying home sick......
 
I wonder if 144,001 will complain when the standings are announced. It's like when the NCAA announces the 72 teams for the basketball tournament, and #73 protests and complains, because they're convinced they were better than #72, and how'd you pick THOSE slugs over us???
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Wait just a second. I was told that the 144k people are going into heaven first to prepare it or some such thing.
 
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Believe me, I avoid discussing JW doctrine with the boy-toy... it makes me want to smack him. 

But yes, that is confirmed. Only 144,000 get to go to whatever it is JW call "heaven." Here's the screwy part (as if that isn't weird enough): All of the 144,000 slots are filled. There is no way a new JW convert can hope to become one of the chosen few. But they don't tell you if you have a slot or not. So I guess they HOPE their name is on the list and somebody at 139,999 "disassociates" or apostasizes. I can't make sense of it.  Makes mormon doctrine look sensible.

I keep hoping there's a way to f**k the stupid outta him.

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If you can stand it: Link to JW Beliefs and Activities



I gotta to take a shower.

Oh, here's a list of weird shit they believe... this site is a little more tolerable as I think it's an "anti" site, by ex-JWs. (Our comrades in arms.) 

And this is a quote from a message board:

Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs and who are they?
The Watchtower is big money,being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That's just from one of their many corporations.
Unlike in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph F. Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system. He claimed that angels directly conveyed truth to some of those in leadership. He coined the name Jehovah's Witnesses to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one).
Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and invented an earthly class of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven in their teaching. The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as 'Princes'.
If you have been witnessed to by Jehovah's Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely die shortly at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the only true religion, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this new earth. If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future cleansed earth will be directly destroyed by Jehovah. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting.

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Wow, i just had an encounter here at home with two of them a couple days ago.  They came walking up the walk and were going to open the gate until they saw 5 dogs wating to chew them up.  I wasn't sure who it was, but I had an idea.  Such nice ladies, I told them I wasn't interested, and they left it at that.  I did tell them they were going to have an uphill battle in this neighborhood, 90% active LDS but I give them credit for even coming around.
 
Usually if I know its JW coming up the walk I'll hide but I just thought I would warn them:)
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Wow, i just had an encounter here at home with two of them a couple days ago.  They came walking up the walk and were going to open the gate until they saw 5 dogs wating to chew them up.  I wasn't sure who it was, but I had an idea.  Such nice ladies, I told them I wasn't interested, and they left it at that.  I did tell them they were going to have an uphill battle in this neighborhood, 90% active LDS but I give them credit for even coming around.
 
Usually if I know its JW coming up the walk I'll hide but I just thought I would warn them:)


 
As for me, I keep a Ram's head with red LED lights for eyes, a black cape, and a dry-ice fog machine behind my front door. I see JWs coming up the walk, I put on the head and cape, kick on the dry ice machine,  play a Black Sabbath CD backwards, and answer the door with a "You here for today's human sacrifice?"
 
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Questions, always questions.

First, Crime Dog, can you make your head spin around?

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From my experiences with JW's in our area... be careful in actually letting them in, because some of them are EXTREMELY pushy!! Although some can be sweethearts too :) 

   


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We actually haven't encounterd any for along time, so I was surprised to see them in this neighborhood.  Crime Dog, I  love it!  That would scare the holy bejeezus out of anyone!  Of course 5 barking dogs work, too!  Only we have to feed them and clean up after them!
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Grape Nephi:
Questions, always questions.
 
First, Crime Dog, can you make your head spin around?
 
Dogzilla, pre-licked ones?


 
Absolutely, but I had to cut back on the green pea spew. Got dizzy spinning the head once and hurled in the wrong direction. The Fetching Mrs Crime Dog is still pissed at me for that one.
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Grape Nephi:
Dogzilla, pre-licked ones?





Well, duh. Everybody knows you can't un-lick a cupcake.


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There's a thought. Just answer the door nekkid. They'll probably want outta there so fast, they won't take time to shake the dust from their shoes. Or is that just LDS missionaries that do that? 
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No, the LDS missionaries just sing a hymn to help them forget. They have to be careful which one though, 'come, come ye saints' tends to be counter productive.
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Rev. 22:20: He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

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Dogzilla: Quote scriptures which sound dirty, but really aren’t. 


 
Gen 13:12 Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
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Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ
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Hey now, that is just way too good of a doctrine to drop!  You'd think if the JWs were done with it, the mormons would have picked it up. 
 
Imagine how much easier it would make apologists' lives.  They could say "Yes, JS prophecied that Christ would return within 50 years [or whatever he said].  And he did.  You just can't see him.  He's invisible.  But he's back.  PROVE HE'S NOT." 
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Even better, elder_nomo... they've predicted the invisible return of Christ several times. The boy-toy claims Jesus already returned in 1974.  Whenever they change their doctrine, (which, apparently, happens pretty frequently) they blame the members for not keeping up with the publications!




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Actually, I just found something that's pretty cool. At http://www.jwfacts.com, there's a table comparing some basic mormon beliefs with JW beliefs, with the Seventh-Day Adventists and something called Christadelphians (never hearda them). What an eye-opener! No WONDER some of what boy-toy says sounds so familiar to me.


Anyway, I can't copy and paste the table... Follow the linky and scroll down.





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Quote scriptures which sound dirty, but really aren’t.  
 
Rev. 22:20: He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.  Amen.  Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
 
(Don’t worry about it, baby. It happens to everyone.)


 
 
 
 
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Putting these together..... 
 


Rev. 22:20: He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. 

 


they’ve predicted the invisible return of Christ several times.


 
...looks like it's quantity over quality.
(he's fast but frequent.) 
 
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...looks like it's quantity over quality.
(he's fast but frequent.) 
 


 
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Actually, I just found something that's pretty cool. At http://www.jwfacts.com, there's a table comparing some basic mormon beliefs with JW beliefs, with the Seventh-Day Adventists and something called Christadelphians (never hearda them). What an eye-opener! No WONDER some of what boy-toy says sounds so familiar to me.
 
Anyway, I can't copy and paste the table... Follow the linky and scroll down.

 
The early and mid 19th century is sometimes referred to as the "period of ferment" in American history. Complete independence, breaking the ties with Mother England, brought with it an era that provided a fertile environment for the emergence of new religions and movements, or the expansion of existing ones. Mormonism, Shakerism, JW's, Transcendentalism, Christadelphianism, Seventh Day Adventism, and others all emerged or expanded in the US during this period. 
 
This knowledge (gleaned from a college class on "Jacksonian Era Democracy") is what first twigged me that there was nothing special about a bizarre claim to have communed with God and been told to start a church in the 19th Century. It was as common then as a new business start up is now. But more profitable, obviously. Anyway, it's what started my ears and eyes to opening, and the rest, as they say, is history.
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Brutus Jack:
elder_nomo:
 
...looks like it's quantity over quality.
(he's fast but frequent.) 
 


 
That's so funny!
 
We are his sheep.  He is our shepherd.


 
K...  That one hit something!  I was pretty sure beasitality was discourgaged!

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Actually, I just found something that's pretty cool. At http://www.jwfacts.com, there's a table comparing some basic mormon beliefs with JW beliefs, with the Seventh-Day Adventists and something called Christadelphians (never hearda them). What an eye-opener! No WONDER some of what boy-toy says sounds so familiar to me.
Anyway, I can't copy and paste the table... Follow the linky and scroll down. 
 
 
 




 
What is the real difference, if any, between shunning and excommunication or disfellowship?
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 What is the real difference, if any, between shunning and excommunication or disfellowship?


 
Oh! I know this one!  Shunning is technically discouraged and basically happens among members of a ward when they see someone as "below" them or as a "sinner."  Then excommunication and disfellowship are different as well.
 
Excommunication is when it's all over, your name is off the records, your temple "blessings" are revoked, etc. 
 
Disfellowship however, you still "get" to pay your tithing, even though you can't attend the temple. Also, callings, and your "privlege" of praying or speaking at a public meeting is revoked.
 
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Sakerra, I think that question was directed toward the JW manner of handling things. (Your answer was correct for how mormons distinguish between the two.) I believe shunning is what the general membership does to you when whatever you've done is made public. Disfellowship and excommunication are mormon terms. The JW term for the administrative action that the JW takes against someone who leaves their faith is "disassociation." 
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The 144K doctrine isn't all that abnormal when you take a moment to consider it from their point of view. The earth will return to its paradisaical glory and all believers will enjoy it in peace and harmony. The 144K are those which will have responsibility to aid Jehovah in ruling the earth. In their minds, the goal is to enjoy paradise in peace.
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Right, Oracle, but the creepy and disturbing part of that is the "righteous" JWs who survive Armageddon, but aren't part of the 144K, are considered the "slave" class. When boytoy presented this to me, this is sort of how that conversation went:

Dogzilla: "Erm, do I have that right? I'm supposed to remain on this earth for eternity, multiplying and replenishing the earth again... as a JW slave?" (This seems even worse to me than the mormon plan of salvation. Yet, this was posed to me like it's some sort of enticing promise. I'm apparently supposed to hope I get to breed over and over. Even puppy mills put bitches down after they've been overbred too many times.)

BoyToy: "But you get eternal life!"

DZ: "But I have to spend it pregnant? F**k that. How is that a promise? I can't think of any worse punishment than forcing me to breed for eternity. I'd rather be dead and have my soul cease to exist." (Which is pretty much what I expect to happen anyway, seeing as how I don't believe in any form of afterlife or in Armageddon.) "Some man thought this crap up, right? Because no woman god would ever 'promise' that you get to breed for eternity as a 'reward'." (Seriously. I've already chosen to not breed in this life. Not all of us feel compelled to breed. We might not all consider it desirable. If I've already said I'd rather gnaw my own foot off than make babies, then what would make anyone think I'd be interested in makin' them post-apocalypse?)

BT: "But it's not a punishment; it's a blessing."

DZ: "Okay, then, baby, you need to find yourself another breeder, 'cause homey don't play dat."

I think any religion that includes some form of slavery in the afterlife or post-apocalypse just shouldn't exist. There is nothing about slavery that suggests spiritual, emotional, or intellectual enlightenment at all. No god I could believe in would require one group of his creation to rule over another group in servitude. That simply makey no sense.
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ermmm...doesn't sound too far off from what the conversation would have gone with any JW. The terminology isn't the norm though. LOL!
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For those newbies who haven't been introduced to Betty Butterfield, here's what she has to say about the Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR-IB2YVIaI




(You might want to check out her bit on Mormons.  What a riot!)
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 OTFLMAO...  Did you notice, "I am a Child of God" was playing in the background of the JW one, and "Oh How Lovely Was the Morning" in the Mormon one.  I'll have to do more research to see if there is a Primary Song Book conspiracy.
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bow_your_head&say_no: OTFLMAO...  Did you notice, "I am a Child of God" was playing in the background of the JW one, and "Oh How Lovely Was the Morning" in the Mormon one.  I'll have to do more research to see if there is a Primary Song Book conspiracy.

There are Mormon tunes playing in several of "her" videos, which makes me wonder if there might be some Mormon past to Betty.  This is a good one too:
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Posted: 24 May 2007 10:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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I was looking through some titles on Amazon.com earlier today, after buying the Hitchens book that's sold out every place else I looked, and was shocked to see the following:
The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by Joseph Smith
Shouldn't that actually be:
The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by God
But my favorite title had to be:
From Mafia to Mormon: My Conversion Story by Mario Facione
I'm picturing Tony Soprano in temple attire.
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Crime Dog:I was looking through some titles on Amazon.com earlier today, after buying the Hitchens book that's sold out every place else I looked, and was shocked to see the following:
The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by Joseph Smith
Shouldn't that actually be:
The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ (Official Edition) by God
But my favorite title had to be:
From Mafia to Mormon: My Conversion Story by Mario Facione
I'm picturing Tony Soprano in temple attire.


Just curious...  How much did it cost?
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It cost way to much more than likely. More than it is worth.
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Grape Nephi:It cost way to much more than likely. More than it is worth.


I agree...   but if you were a nevermo that wanted to see what it was all about, at least this way you wouldn't be constantly badgered by missionaries telling you to pray and recieve a witnesss
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Shame on you two!! You cant put a price on eternal salvation!  You should all know that by now!  ;)
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Posted: 24 May 2007 11:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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I know this may sound strange, but I would REALLY like to have an opportunity to see/read something like that inperson.  My mom has one of  the original copies of The Seer by Orson  Pratt and reading it in the older style and pages somehow did make the words seem more  precious - like a firsthand glimpse into the time that it was made.  I don't think I would find the book anymore true, but I think it would give the period a more realistic feel for me.  Right now it is a little beyond me to understand why people gave up so much to follow someone who was clearly just a man.
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OMG !!! LOL That'd pay for my eternal salvation !!
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Grape Nephi:take a gander at this .


It's interesting that the 1830 edition's title page shows Smith as "Author and Proprietor." The 1971 edition on my bookshelf says "Translator."
I believe the first edition to be the more accurate in that regard.
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It's interesting that the 1830 edition's title page shows Smith as "Author and Proprietor." The 1971 edition on my bookshelf says "Translator."
I believe the first edition to be the more accurate in that regard.



Brodie makes it clear that originally Smith intended to make money from the BoM. Guess it didn't sell all that well.   


Also Grape imagine paying $59,000 for "Chloroform in print".

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Posted: 25 May 2007 04:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]   

   
 
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But look who is selling it uh, where did he get this book?
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My name is Rick Grunder, a former Chairman of the Brigham Young University Library Bibliographic Department.  Please click on the “me” logo beside seller's name at the top of this page to find my website with other material for sale."

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I can buy 16th century manuscripts and books for a lot less. I won't be spending that much money for a piece of 19th century pseudo religiouos fiction.


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Anybody ever calculate the value (non-intrinsic) of the original plates of gold from which Joseph translated the BofM? Geez, they must have weighed a couple hundred pounds, and with the price of gold today.......And poor Moroni had to lug that load all the way from central America to upstate NY on a draft tapir. The logistics of his journey make the latter-day handcart trip look like a limo ride.
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CD, from what I understand based on the description of the plates they were supposed to have weighed about 240 pounds. But the apologists indicated that the plates were more than likely an alloy so they only weighed 100 or so pounds. It's really cool since smelting wasn't on the American continent yet and with the addition of knowing how to make alloys, just makes my testimony burn. And with that burning I think I will put it out with beer and tekillya.
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my_own_private_idaho:CD, from what I understand based on the description of the plates they were supposed to have weighed about 240 pounds. But the apologists indicated that the plates were more than likely an alloy so they only weighed 100 or so pounds. It's really cool since smelting wasn't on the American continent yet and with the addition of knowing how to make alloys, just makes my testimony burn. And with that burning I think I will put it out with beer and tekillya.

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From Mafia to Mormonism... "Uh, you want I should execute the penalty on dat guy, along wit its accompanyin' name, sign and token". Probably recruited to be the Sergeant at Arms for the New Danites.
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bow_your_head&say_no:From Mafia to Mormonism... "Uh, you want I should execute the penalty on dat guy, along wit its accompanyin' name, sign and token". Probably recruited to be the Sergeant at Arms for the New Danites.

  Yeah, they don't "whack" a guy. They "facilitate his atonement."
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Maybe the church wants to bring back blood atonement? With the mafia converts.
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my_own_private_idaho:CD, from what I understand based on the description of the plates they were supposed to have weighed about 240 pounds. But the apologists indicated that the plates were more than likely an alloy so they only weighed 100 or so pounds.

Once upon a time I did a specific gravity comparison of gold to tumbago and there was only about a 20% at most difference in weight.


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Grape Nephi:
my_own_private_idaho:CD, from what I understand based on the description of the plates they were supposed to have weighed about 240 pounds. But the apologists indicated that the plates were more than likely an alloy so they only weighed 100 or so pounds.

Once upon a time I did a specific gravity comparison of gold to tumbago and there was only about a 20% at most difference in weight.




What does low back pain have to do with gold, unless Moroni hurt himself toting the damn thing around for thousands of miles? Oh, wait. My bad. That's lumbago.
You're referring to the alloy of copper and gold that looks just like gold? Is that an apologist argument? That it was easier to transport because it was tumbago, and not gold? "Translated from plates of tumbago" really doesn't have the ring of "translated from plates of gold," does it?
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But gold sounds so much more spiritual than tumbago.  Also when you are blessed with the spirit of the lord you can pack 190 lbs to 240 lbs no problem.  "Put your shoulder to the plates drag along, drag along". He may have had a holy back pack that made it feel lighter.  I have packed 100 lbs of elk meat 2 miles and that really sucked the wind out of me. 
Another is the JS ran full speed with the plates on his back through the forest, when the bad guys were trying to get them.   That burning is starting to come back CD

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my_own_private_idaho:Another is the JS ran full speed with the plates on his back through the forest, when the bad guys were trying to get them.   That burning is starting to come back CD
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this apostate still thinks that Mr. Molson and Mr. Cuervo can do just fine. Sorry but my mind is fixated on a long weekend. And a toast to veterans and others that serve our country everyday!!!!!!
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my_own_private_idaho:this apostate still thinks that Mr. Molson and Mr. Cuervo can do just fine. Sorry but my mind is fixated on a long weekend. And a toast to veterans and others that serve our country everyday!!!!!!

Cuervo? If you like straight tequila, get the good stuff - blue agave only, reposado (aged). Cazadores, Patron, Corralejo perhaps. Cuervo is good only for Margaritas.
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I prefer really good single malt Scotch. Can't stand tequila in any form.


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I'm a Scotch guy too. Little water, lot of ice. As to tequila, if it's getting shit faced you want, Cuervo will take you there. So will Margaritaville Tequila, which (forgive me lord) is pure crap. What isn't widely known, however, is that a good, aged blue agave produces less hangover symptoms because of its purity. Money well spent! I'll spend more, if it helps me avoid the tequila flu.
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Same thing applies to Vodka. Distill out the crap and less hangover.
In Scotches I take my like a Scotsman. One or two drops of water in the Scotch and only a chilled glass at most.
My favorite Scotch at present is 21 year old special reserve Glen Fidduch that is finished in rum casks. Really nice spice and vanilla undertones. And very smooth.
If I can't afford that ($15 a shot, $120 a bottle), I like Glen Morangie that is finished in port or sherry casks.


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I'm clearly a Scotch infidel. Dewars in the gallon bottle from Sam's Club for me!
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my_own_private_idaho:But gold sounds so much more spiritual than tumbago.  Also when you are blessed with the spirit of the lord you can pack 190 lbs to 240 lbs no problem.  "Put your shoulder to the plates drag along, drag along". He may have had a holy back pack that made it feel lighter.  I have packed 100 lbs of elk meat 2 miles and that really sucked the wind out of me. 
Another is the JS ran full speed with the plates on his back through the forest, when the bad guys were trying to get them.   That burning is starting to come back CD

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 how can someone run and carry that much? I thought it was more like 50# not over 200#! that is nuts!
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Lola:
 how can someone run and carry that much? I thought it was more like 50# not over 200#! that is nuts!

He must have ran with his spiritual legs. Maybe with his hat over his face.
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Crime Dog:I'm clearly a Scotch infidel. Dewars in the gallon bottle from Sam's Club for me!

OK CD, you now have an invite up to Flag and I'll buy you some high class scotch at one of my favorite hangouts up here.

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Crime Dog:I'm a Scotch guy too. Little water, lot of ice. As to tequila, if it's getting shit faced you want, Cuervo will take you there. So will Margaritaville Tequila, which (forgive me lord) is pure crap. What isn't widely known, however, is that a good, aged blue agave produces less hangover symptoms because of its purity. Money well spent! I'll spend more, if it helps me avoid the tequila flu.


Funny thing, a couple of months ago I had some super-high caliber fine tequila at a friend's house before hitting the hay, and when I woke up the next morning, no morning breath.  Worked better than mouthwash.  Don't remember what kind it was, but it took me to where I like tequila, swish it around in the mouth to savor the taste. Before I had only had Cuervo (Joe Crow).  No wonder I thought I hated tequila.
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Crime Dog:
But my favorite title had to be:
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I'm picturing Tony Soprano in temple attire.

He must have felt right at home with the blood oaths!
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Funny thing, a couple of months ago I had some super-high caliber fine tequila at a friend's house before hitting the hay, and when I woke up the next morning, no morning breath.  Worked better than mouthwash.  Don't remember what kind it was, but it took me to where I like tequila, swish it around in the mouth to savor the taste. Before I had only had Cuervo (Joe Crow).  No wonder I thought I hated tequila.

The fetching Mrs Crime Dog (TFMCD) and I just got in from our favorite bar.....no shortage of Patron there, so I should probably just go to bed instead of trying to post. But I know, thanks to drinking the good stuff, I will awake chipper in the morning. It really does make a difference. Of course, the Scotch and beer I also drank might come a' callling......
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 Did you add to your experiences to impress? Did you fake blessings or their results?
Author: Wanda 3 902  
Posted: 06-01-2007 04:53 PM
Author: HP no more 


 Of Note: Some good research resources
Author: Wanda 0 668  
Posted: 06-01-2007 12:39 PM
Author: Wanda 


 Hi, I am Conned Fused.
Author: Conned Fused 9 1263  
Posted: 06-01-2007 06:45 AM
Author: jahedgpeth 


 Help!!!
Author: lynsie 15 1433  
Posted: 06-01-2007 06:26 AM
Author: jahedgpeth 


 The true origin of Christianity and Anno Domini
Author: Wanda 12 1517  
Posted: 06-01-2007 05:57 AM
Author: pnut 


 Thou shalt not read this book(s)!
Author: Zeus 27 2074  
Posted: 06-01-2007 05:34 AM
Author: jahedgpeth 


 Interesting story playing out on another board - parents went and got their son from mission - I have a question
Author: Odell Campbell 10 1558  
Posted: 06-01-2007 04:56 AM
Author: KimberlyAnn 


 How do you like your wine?
Author: Wanda 17 1414  
Posted: 06-01-2007 03:53 AM
Author: fhelsing 


 New Personalized Search Engine: Scholarly Mormon Resources
Author: Hueffenhardt 2 956  
Posted: 06-01-2007 01:46 AM
Author: Hueffenhardt 


 Wrote a letter of resignation today…
Author: luckyme 12 1165  
Posted: 06-01-2007 01:37 AM
Author: luckyme 


 the Masonic legend of Enoch and Joseph Smith
Author: pnut 2 889  
Posted: 06-01-2007 01:15 AM
Author: pnut 


 Soft drinks may be harmful to your health
Author: helemon 7 1197  
Posted: 06-01-2007 01:06 AM
Author: gingerbreadapron 


 Could God have changed the DNA of the Lamanites?
Author: Tapir Whisperer 14 1321  
Posted: 06-01-2007 12:42 AM
Author: gingerbreadapron 


 Noah Took Dinosaurs Onto the Ark - According to Ham
Author: Born Free 20 1549  
Posted: 05-31-2007 11:46 PM
Author: Grape Nephi 


 Homeopathic Cold Remedies Anyone?   ( 1 2)
Author: duryen 47 4423  
Posted: 05-31-2007 11:36 PM
Author: exmodad 


 The History Channel new Show” The States”  on Utah and the Mormons
Author: Demon of Kolob 9 1234  
Posted: 05-31-2007 10:57 PM
Author: wiley 


 The Historical Jesus Smackdown Thread   ( 1 2 3)
Author: Brad (ZeeZrom) 81 4846  
Posted: 05-31-2007 10:51 PM
Author: Grape Nephi 


 question regarding “myldsmail.net”....
Author: danboyle2 1 1484  
Posted: 05-31-2007 10:47 PM
Author: Utahlib 


 Bill’s thoughts on a Thursday
Author: Grape Nephi 1 724  
Posted: 05-31-2007 08:42 PM
Author: pnut 


 Do you all ever wonder if we are mistaken?  And mabye the church IS true—and we are wrong?
Author: snickersprincess 31 1766  
Posted: 05-31-2007 08:00 PM
Author: miss taken 


 Network News
Author: duryen 7 915  
Posted: 05-31-2007 05:40 PM
Author: Fairlight 


 A Mormon for President?
Author: Zeus 6 951  
Posted: 05-31-2007 04:02 PM
Author: Dogzilla Joy 


 BoM   I wonder why questions
Author: hypatia 13 1798  
Posted: 05-31-2007 02:16 PM
Author: Wanda 


 A little speck of a blue dot… What really matters in this perspective?
Author: Wanda 0 625  
Posted: 05-31-2007 12:39 PM
Author: Wanda 


 Out of the mouths of babes
Author: utater 2 842  
Posted: 05-31-2007 06:54 AM
Author: luckyme 


 Having a hard time believing this.
Author: utater 17 1975  
Posted: 05-31-2007 04:00 AM
Author: Zeus 


 It is morally as bad
Author: skeptic 17 1296  
Posted: 05-31-2007 03:13 AM
Author: luckyme 


 The burden of Judgementalism.
Author: pnut 6 897  
Posted: 05-30-2007 09:36 PM
Author: Brad (ZeeZrom) 


 Internet Surfing Guidelines for Mormons
Author: KimberlyAnn 17 1468  
Posted: 05-30-2007 07:53 PM
Author: duryen 


 Memorial Day weekend with Mary Elizabeth Rollins Lightner Smith/Young
Author: skeptic 10 1330  
Posted: 05-30-2007 04:47 PM
Author: hypatia 



  
   

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