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Was Michael Jackson Mormon????  
Posted: 18 December 2013 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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Posted: 18 December 2013 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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I don't know if this has been brought up. But while reading today about mormon science  http://www.i4m.com/think/lists/mormon_science.htm
 
I saw yet again about how those who convert to the Church will be changed, and made whiter and delightsome  "These young [Indian] members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness." LDS General Conference, October 1960, Spencer W. Kimball, (Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922-3).
 
So there for my question that I just thought of.....is that what happened to Michael Jackson?  Hmmmm enquiring minds want to know..  
 
You're being mean.  Phew, never underestimate what can get inside of a person's head.
 
Hey, no mention of what is wanted, as far as color with Gladys Knight.
 
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Posted: 18 December 2013 10:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]   

   
 
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I always thought that he was brought up Jehovah's Witness (and that his mother was/is some kind of JW fanatic, to the point where there was real conflict in the greater family).
 
Could definitely be wrong (I'm not that interested in Michael Jackson), but this was always my impression from at least some things I read in passing. 


   


Posted: 18 December 2013 10:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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I was just teasin a bit.  But that thought did just hit me. 
 
So I thought I'd have fun with it.
Besides, we ALL know how much lds love to say which Celeberity is now Mormon,  you know, like Steve Martin. I heard he was baptised from a missionary I knew who had a companion who had a brother who said it was done by another missionary in his mission.  
 
Yeah I know.  But is Gladys still doing any singing with the Mo Tab?  I mean, that's the only reason for her to join, right?  I can hear her trying to convince her friend the king of pop-soul, you can just imagine Michael's comment before deciding he ain't gettin no where near datt.  Okay, now I'm having some fun.
 
 
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1. MJ was a lapsed Jehovah's Witness. 
 
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Was Michael Jackson mormon?
Well if he wasn't, he is now. I think it was multiple submissions for him a year after his death which prompted the church to reiterate their policies on not submitting names to the temple on behalf of dead celebrities. 
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He and his family were "Jehovah Witnesses." Which doesn't quite jel with the stuff he produced. He left it (as his huge Christmas and birthday celebrations suggest.) His mother remained devout...which was troubling as his kids were going to lose out on all the big celebrations they had with their Dad. That's the sadness....
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 I was just kidding. Relax please. No harm was meant. Just had the thought after reading about those becoming White and Delightsome like some taught. Which, if you read my second post I explained.
 
Sorry if I offened anyone, it was not my intent. I was just doing as has been done in other threads.
 
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Was Michael Jackson mormon?
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Posted: 06 April 2012 10:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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My cousin posted this on FB and it's getting a lot of ppl's attention on Youtube.  
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym0jXg-hKCI&feature=g-hist&context=G2fe23c5AHT39odAAAAA
 
 
While I think it's a great message and I'm glad there is an organization for these kids to turn to while attending the morg's university, I, along with many others apparently, am discouraged by how deceiving this video is.  It ignores the blaring fact that in order for "things to get better" for these mormon kids, they have to accept and embrace the idea that they will be alone and celibate for the rest of their lives.  That is unless they decide to enter into a heterosexual relationship despite their sexual orientation.  
 
I feel so sorry for these kids; that they don't understand that they could experience life fully, if only they would open their eyes to the truth.  I hope for their sakes that someday they do.   


   


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I have seen this posted several times today on facebook. I agree that it is deceiving in that it is putting a mask of tolerance on underlying doctrine that still dictates these individuals are less than normal. 
 
I have been holding back...but want to comment on my friends' posts asking them if the church is now heading down the path of "forgetting" its homophobic dogma just like it has forgotten its racism. 


   


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I'm so angry right now. That video is deceiving. 

   


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Nourish & Strengthen:
I have seen this posted several times today on facebook. I agree that it is deceiving in that it is putting a mask of tolerance on underlying doctrine that still dictates these individuals are less than normal. 
 
I have been holding back...but want to comment on my friends' posts asking them if the church is now heading down the path of "forgetting" its homophobic dogma just like it has forgotten its racism. 
 
 Yes, I believe it is.  But if this results in 1 single averted suicide, it is a baby step I will gladly welcome.
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They finally disabled the comments on the YouTube video. Near the end, they were mostly hate filled comments that were completely unnecessary. But it is a shame that none of the comments are available to view now, as there were some great (by Post Mos mostly) points made. 

   


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I think I know why I am so angered by this campaign. The next generation will say I did not know they didn't allow gay and lesbian people at BYU. I did not know there was a policy against gay people having sex. We will not stop two people in love from being married. What is proposition 8? We just won't allow them to get married in the temple.
 
Just like the generation NOW does not know they performed electric shock therapy on gay students at BYU.
 
It's the same GBH shit, "I don't know that we teach that." I get that it's a step in the right generation. What does it make postmo's like us look like? We are offended by someone, we want to sin, or we couldn't handle living the gospel. When past history is brought up as factual evidence, the church's PR machine convinces the masses it was just a man, it was never official church doctrine and it gets swept under the rug once again.


   


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Thank you, bjohn! You spell it out perfectly. 

   


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My cousin posted this on FB and it's getting a lot of ppl's attention on Youtube.  
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym0jXg-hKCI&feature=g-hist&context=G2fe23c5AHT39odAAAAA
 
 
While I think it's a great message and I'm glad there is an organization for these kids to turn to while attending the morg's university, I, along with many others apparently, am discouraged by how deceiving this video is.  It ignores the blaring fact that in order for "things to get better" for these mormon kids, they have to accept and embrace the idea that they will be alone and celibate for the rest of their lives.  That is unless they decide to enter into a heterosexual relationship despite their sexual orientation.  
 
I feel so sorry for these kids; that they don't understand that they could experience life fully, if only they would open their eyes to the truth.  I hope for their sakes that someday they do.   
 
 It seems that ever since Mitt Romney has started to look more and more like the Republican Presidential nominee,  the mormon church has been sweeping some things under the rug. IMO, it's to make the church look less controversial to all those potential converts out there.
 
It's funny because as a nevermo (married to a mormon with a mormon family), I've heard talks before in which the mormon church boasted that, unlike other religions, they don't change their doctrine to fit the times.
 
As far as the video, if these people have truly found peace attending BYU, then good for them. 
 
But when I lived in Utah years ago, a girl drove all the way across the country to attend college in Utah and be near her fiancee. Then he kept postponing setting a wedding date. After about 6 months, he called the wedding off entirely. He couldn't go through with it........he came out as being gay and they broke up. The girl was truly devastated.  
 
So I feel like pretending to be something you're not to please your family or your religion, can really come back to hurt you and/or hurt others.
 


   


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The other crazy messed-up cycle is this:  Some leaders also teach that being gay is a "trial" that you have been given in this life to overcome. But..then we turn to the Plan of Salvation and we are taught how we can only be with H.F. in the celetial kingdom. Even single women can get to some part of the Celestial Kingdom, but not people who are gay. So, this means that if you are gay then you will never be attracted to the opposite sex here on earth, so you will never marry in the temple and never get to the celestial kingdom. The church will never allow gay people to marry in the temple. I never see it happening.  Therefore, what happens when gay people die? Do they automatically get that "trial" taken away?  Like what was said before. When gay people die, are they automaically attracted to the opposite sex?   Why would H.F. give a "trial" to someone which would eliminate their chance of EVER getting sealed in the temple and therefore their ability to reach the highest degree of the celetial kingdom? Because as it stands now...as I said before..even single women will get to be angels in the celetial kingdom if they can find a man in the millenium. To me..this idea of it being a "trial" is ridiculous.  Why would God, who loves all His children set his children up for failure in this life and the life to come?
 
 


   


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I think I know why I am so angered by this campaign. The next generation will say I did not know they didn't allow gay and lesbian people at BYU. I did not know there was a policy against gay people having sex. We will not stop two people in love from being married. What is proposition 8? We just won't allow them to get married in the temple.
 
Just like the generation NOW does not know they performed electric shock therapy on gay students at BYU.
 
It's the same GBH shit, "I don't know that we teach that." I get that it's a step in the right generation.What does it make postmo's like us look like? We are offended by someone, we want to sin, or we couldn't handle living the gospel. When past history is brought up as factual evidence, the church's PR machine convinces the masses it was just a man, it was never official church doctrine and it gets swept under the rug once again.
 
This isn't about us. And I could not care less how it makes us look -- not that I'm sure it cast any light on us at all.
 
I left because of racism that has been somewhat ameliorated. I don't care. I know why I left. I'm glad to enlighten people as to the true history if they ask. And I'm also glad the church changed -- for everyone's sake but especially for people of color who brush up against Mormons and even for those of color who are Mormons.
 
I feel that way here. I'm glad for Mormon gays and lesbians. I see how their situation is still a dilemma -- and I see how it is better. I hope it gets better yet. I hope within my life I go to a Mormon gay wedding, perhaps not a temple wedding, but a Mormon wedding. That would be worth celebrating.
 
Yes, the change will be creepy and dishonest, and at times we will all wonder if the good of the change is worth the skankiness of how it is accomplished. But in the end, no one kind, no one generous, no one decent can be anything but glad to see things improve for these hurting kids.
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I think I know why I am so angered by this campaign. The next generation will say I did not know they didn't allow gay and lesbian people at BYU. I did not know there was a policy against gay people having sex. We will not stop two people in love from being married. What is proposition 8? We just won't allow them to get married in the temple.
 
Just like the generation NOW does not know they performed electric shock therapy on gay students at BYU.
 
It's the same GBH shit, "I don't know that we teach that." I get that it's a step in the right generation.What does it make postmo's like us look like? We are offended by someone, we want to sin, or we couldn't handle living the gospel. When past history is brought up as factual evidence, the church's PR machine convinces the masses it was just a man, it was never official church doctrine and it gets swept under the rug once again.
 
This isn't about us. And I could not care less how it makes us look -- not that I'm sure it cast any light on us at all.
 
I left because of racism that has been somewhat ameliorated. I don't care. I know why I left. I'm glad to enlighten people as to the true history if they ask. And I'm also glad the church changed -- for everyone's sake but especially for people of color who brush up against Mormons and even for those of color who are Mormons.
 
I feel that way here. I'm glad for Mormon gays and lesbians. I see how their situation is still a dilemma -- and I see how it is better. I hope it gets better yet. I hope within my life I go to a Mormon gay wedding, perhaps not a temple wedding, but a Mormon wedding. That would be worth celebrating.
 
Yes, the change will be creepy and dishonest, and at times we will all wonder if the good of the change is worth the skankiness of how it is accomplished. But in the end, no one kind, no one generous, no one decent can be anything but glad to see things improve for these hurting kids.
Racism never existed in the church. Oh, sure Brigham Young might have said a few things, but that was coming from a man, not a prophet. There was that thing about the priesthood, but that's in the past. It's almost been 34 years. You probably left because a member offended you or you want to sin. (insert sarcasm).
 
The number of people who leave the church now because of the church being homophobic will be treated the same way in a few short years.  People won't know that BYU gave electro shock treatment to gay students or the church funded a lot of the proposistion 8 campaign.
 
I get that it's not about me, but how can BYU students truly be happy continuing to be members of the LDS church only if they vow a life of celibacy. I feel the campaign is deceptive.
 
I guess that's what bothers me the most. The church is supposed to be the only true church on the face of the earth. It is probably one of the main reasons why I left. The Book of Mormon has changed; it should not! It's perfect, The Bible has flaws. 
 
I feel like all this does is keep gay members paying their tithing and wasting their time in a false church. 
 


   


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Racism never existed in the church. Oh, sure Brigham Young might have said a few things, but that was coming from a man, not a prophet. There was that thing about the priesthood, but that's in the past. It's almost been 34 years. You probably left because a member offended you or you want to sin. (insert sarcasm).
 
The number of people who leave the church now because of the church being homophobic will be treated the same way in a few short years.  People won't know that BYU gave electro shock treatment to gay students or the church funded a lot of the proposistion 8 campaign.
 
I get that it's not about me, but how can BYU students truly be happy continuing to be members of the LDS church only if they vow a life of celibacy. I feel the campaign is deceptive.
 
I guess that's what bothers me the most. The church is supposed to be the only true church on the face of the earth. It is probably one of the main reasons why I left. The Book of Mormon has changed; it should not! It's perfect, The Bible has flaws. 
 
I feel like all this does is keep gay members paying their tithing and wasting their time in a false church. 
 
Opening paragraph: I've never heard that anywhere -- but here, from you. No one has told me I left because I wanted to sin. Maybe I just don't run into the right people. Sometime Mormons are ignorant of their past, and perhaps even defensive when they hear the truth. For me, patience and explaining has worked wonders. And I remain glad the Mormon Church changed for the better -- for everyone involved. True, I raise an eyebrow when a Gladys Knight joins the church, but good heavens, I also have a grip on the fact it is her life and her choice. I might doubt her wisdom, all the while wishing her well.
 
Yes, the past will fade. It does that. And not just in the Mormon Church. I certainly don't think they are outdone by the current political right wing which loves to pretend it was not born in the same bed as Jim Crow and public hangings of African Americans for sport and edification. The Mormons were by no means the only reactionaries during the Civil Rights movement, and they aren't the only group who has managed to cover their tracks and now seek to appear quite spotless on the issue of race relations. Dare I say the words "Republican Party"?
 
Still, despite all this, I can only be happy for these gay and lesbian students making baby steps toward a better world for them. I'd like to float the idea that some gay Mormons may wish to remain Mormons. It is not for us to say, anymore than it is up to us to judge Gladys Knight.
 
I know you did not say this out loud, but I don't think this is some plot by those in power. I rather feel as though their hand has been forced, and they resent the change -- well -- as much as you do. And how ironic is that? They might eventually come to realize it is in their best interest, but I don't think that is why there is this club.
 
What you need to grasp is that, no matter how you see it, you are trashing these students and their efforts -- not the General Authorities of the Mormon Church. They are feeling their way along on a dark night. Many of them, we can only hope, will eventually find their way out of Mormonism entirely. But you need to brace for the obvious that some might remain in Mormonism and be pioneers in forging a new, more open and accepting church. And good for them. If that is their wish and their dream, I don't begrudge them because I need confirmation for my own dislike of Mormonism.  
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Don't know where anyone gave the idea that anyone was trashing the group itself....except that it is "forced" to live within certain guidelines set up by GAs and BYU admins.
 
That's the part that is sneaky and deceiving.
 
These people are full-grown adults, able to make their own decisions...about who they will be with/marry/cohabitate with.
 
They don't need this "over-lordship" of the church demanding they be celebate...their entire lives.
 
The question is...why should they????!!!!
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Racism never existed in the church. Oh, sure Brigham Young might have said a few things, but that was coming from a man, not a prophet. There was that thing about the priesthood, but that's in the past. It's almost been 34 years. You probably left because a member offended you or you want to sin. (insert sarcasm).
 
The number of people who leave the church now because of the church being homophobic will be treated the same way in a few short years.  People won't know that BYU gave electro shock treatment to gay students or the church funded a lot of the proposistion 8 campaign.
 
I get that it's not about me, but how can BYU students truly be happy continuing to be members of the LDS church only if they vow a life of celibacy. I feel the campaign is deceptive.
 
I guess that's what bothers me the most. The church is supposed to be the only true church on the face of the earth. It is probably one of the main reasons why I left. The Book of Mormon has changed; it should not! It's perfect, The Bible has flaws. 
 
I feel like all this does is keep gay members paying their tithing and wasting their time in a false church. 
 
Opening paragraph: I've never heard that anywhere -- but here, from you. No one has told me I left because I wanted to sin. Maybe I just don't run into the right people. Sometime Mormons are ignorant of their past, and perhaps even defensive when they hear the truth. For me, patience and explaining has worked wonders. And I remain glad the Mormon Church changed for the better -- for everyone involved. True, I raise an eyebrow when a Gladys Knight joins the church, but good heavens, I also have a grip on the fact it is her life and her choice. I might doubt her wisdom, all the while wishing her well.
 
Yes, the past will fade. It does that. And not just in the Mormon Church. I certainly don't think they are outdone by the current political right wing which loves to pretend it was not born in the same bed as Jim Crow and public hangings of African Americans for sport and edification. The Mormons were by no means the only reactionaries during the Civil Rights movement, and they aren't the only group who has managed to cover their tracks and now seek to appear quite spotless on the issue of race relations. Dare I say the words "Republican Party"?
 
Still, despite all this, I can only be happy for these gay and lesbian students making baby steps toward a better world for them. I'd like to float the idea that some gay Mormons may wish to remain Mormons. It is not for us to say, anymore than it is up to us to judge Gladys Knight.
 
I know you did not say this out loud, but I don't think this is some plot by those in power. I rather feel as though their hand has been forced, and they resent the change -- well -- as much as you do. And how ironic is that? They might eventually come to realize it is in their best interest, but I don't think that is why there is this club.
 
What you need to grasp is that, no matter how you see it, you are trashing these students and their efforts -- not the General Authorities of the Mormon Church. They are feeling their way along on a dark night. Many of them, we can only hope, will eventually find their way out of Mormonism entirely. But you need to brace for the obvious that some might remain in Mormonism and be pioneers in forging a new, more open and accepting church. And good for them. If that is their wish and their dream, I don't begrudge them because I need confirmation for my own dislike of Mormonism.  
 
 I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I see the video as being deceptive. I am NOT trashing the students. When I was  an active TBM, I was slowly strung along. Put things on a shelf that didn't make sense or made me question. I feel that's probably where they are at right now, but in a much harder place. I feel bad for them. I want them to be TRULY happy and feel like they are feeling some hope and better about themselves.
 
Telling me I need to grasp something and that I'm "trashing" students is very consdenscending. 


   


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The larger "It Gets Better" project was an attempt to let kids know that the bullying and pain that they experience in school will get better with time.  The messages were delivered by happy, well-adjusted gay people who spoke from personal experience. 
The message of "It Gets Better" is that you can be gay AND have a full and happy life. 
 
So while I applaud these BYU students for  their courage and their hope, it only makes me more angry at BYU and the mormon church.  It may be getting better for LGBT youth, but not much.  The essential message that you can be gay and have a full and  happy life is still not true for them if your idea of a full life includes (if you choose) a strong and committed relationship with someone you love.  
 
I guess it's better that LGBT kids are told they have a "cross to bear" instead of being told they are pure evil.  But this "softened" message is still not healthy.  It's toxic.  My advice to LGBT mormon youth, run don't walk for the nearest exit.  
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Posted: 24 September 2009 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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The church doesn't seem to parade her around like they did when she first joined.  Is she still mormon? 

   


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The church doesn't seem to parade her around like they did when she first joined.  Is she still mormon?
 
She still does firesides with her Mormon gospel choir, the Sports Utility Vehicles Saints Unified Voices (SUV): http://www.suvchoir.org/
 
Have her come to your ward or stake (just be sure to have your stake president do the request on church letterhead): http://www.suvchoir.org/contact.html 
 


   


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It seems to me that the morg would not be to happy with her choir competing against the tab choir for cd sales. From the look of the website, it appears they are looking at the endeavor as a business venture to sell cds. 

   


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how did she ever get suckered into this mess?
 
I am sure it has something to do with the fact she is treated like a rock star by mormons (who wouldn’t be the least bit interested in her if she weren’t mormon).  She likely hasn’t had that type of attention since the late 70’s.  She has no idea she is just being used as a pawn for church leadership—in order to show the world: “See!  We’re NOT racist!  We have a black celebrity!”


   


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how did she ever get suckered into this mess?
 
I am sure it has something to do with the fact she is treated like a rock star by mormons (who wouldn’t be the least bit interested in her if she weren’t mormon).  She likely hasn’t had that type of attention since the late 70’s.  She has no idea she is just being used as a pawn for church leadership—in order to show the world: “See!  We’re NOT racist!  We have a black celebrity!”
 
I've never been able to decide which is more depressing, that they trot her out or that she lets herself be trotted. They are absolutely using her.
 
But fading R & B stars, fading musicians of every stripe, seem to have hard lives. I suppose (glumly) that Mormonism beats (although not by much) drug addiction and the dropping ever lower into the seamier side of LA life. I'm thinking of Mackenzie Phillips' painting of her father's awful life.
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Gladys was actually in my family ward in Las Vegas back in the day... She was still being "celebrated" in the LDS church then... And it was always surreal to see her in Sacrament meeting. Her daughter is LDS, and that is how she got involved I believe. When ever she bore her testimony, she always pointed out the fact that the church gave her comfort during a lot of loss she had in her immediate family. I remember her brother died, or was killed shortly before or after she converted. Her comments in RS were always fun, because she would always say "sista" and she never gave up her religious convictions of her prior faith.... she was always good for a "amen" and "praise jesus"  during a lesson!  Ohhh how I loved to watch the TBM's squirm at such vocal declarations!! Almost made church entertaining~~~
 
She did take over one Easter Sunday, and it was probably the best sacrament I had ever been to.. She and her backup singers did a whole song medley (she was performing on the strip at the time). Which was such a breath of fresh air, it really made me wish Mormons would lighten up a little, and actually celebrate life a little more.
 
If she still is a mormon I don't know, she didn't marry a member, and in spite of taking out her endowments... She was smart enough not to wear the dreaded "g's" when she was remarried a few years ago. I think she got what she needed at the time, from the church.... But she isn't, and hasn't been a public figure for them, for a very long time.  Like many of us, the romance probably ended years ago!
 
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When ever she bore her testimony, she always pointed out the fact that the church gave her comfort during a lot of loss she had in her immediate family. I remember her brother died, or was killed shortly before or after she converted.
 
I think there comes a time in every persons life who is mormon that uses the church as a crutch for comfort.  I really wanted to believe in the life after death and eternal family.  Mormonism preys on the emotional weakness durings such times of stress in a persons life.  We all need to feel succored...NO PUN intended!  Some members in the church can provide a feeling of nurture and caring to others..to mourn with those that mourn and comfort those that stand in need of comfort.  This is not exclusive to LDS.  
 
What makes us feel better about ourselves in our environment, within our family, our community and place in society?  I believe it's instinctive to want to feel part of the tribe and belong. When we do, we are at peace as long as we can live authentic and be ourselves with full acceptance from peers. 


   


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I think there comes a time in every persons life who is mormon that uses the church as a crutch for comfort.  I really wanted to believe in the life after death and eternal family.  Mormonism preys on the emotional weakness durings such times of stress in a persons life.  We all need to feel succored...NO PUN intended!  Some members in the church can provide a feeling of nurture and caring to others..to mourn with those that mourn and comfort those that stand in need of comfort.  This is not exclusive to LDS.  
 
What makes us feel better about ourselves in our environment, within our family, our community and place in society?  I believe it's instinctive to want to feel part of the tribe and belong. When we do, we are at peace as long as we can live authentic and be ourselves with full acceptance from peers. 
Absolutely. Such good sense. I think everyone goes through something like Mormonism -- if not Mormonism itself. Does anyone doubt that had he not been killed, Malcolm X would have moved on from surprisingly similar Islam?
 
Maybe because I lived through the seventies, I think of people joining the Moonies or Hare Krishnas, then running off to an EST seminar to put themselves back together or taking up Primal Screaming. All of it every bit as embarrassing as Mormonism, and all in search of comfort and community. And of course if you end up involved with organized crime (the Black Muslims), much more dangerous. 
 
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I understood one or more of her children were members and encouraged her to take the discussions.  If I remember right New Attitude helped with a concert Gladys did in her area.  Maybe she will chime in when she gets home from the wedding with some interesting information.    

   


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Not that it adds much to the discussion at hand, but . . . My partner went to Catholic school in Detroit with Gladys Knight's kids. (As my partner says, "Back when she was a Catholic.)
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But she isn't, and hasn't been a public figure for them, for a very long time.  Like many of us, the romance probably ended years ago!
 
 
She did a "fireside" concert in my stake just a few months ago. They announced it for months beforehand and even specifically said, "If you have any African American friends, this would be a good event to bring them to." You had to have tickets and I'm sure if you said you'd bring a friend -- especially an African-American friend -- they'd hand them over quickly. I didn't care about attending, but I heard it was standing room only.


   


            
 
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Posted: 27 March 2009 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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When I was in high school there was a rumor going around that Bill Cosby was LDS.  Of course this was untrue, but it made everyone thrilled because it was the eighties and he was king of TV. 
I also remember my mom telling me when I came home for a visit (in the nineties) that Jerry Seinfeld was a mormon.  I didn't think she even knew who he was.  I laughed and asked her where she had heard that because of course, he's not a mormon and I was quite sure he was Jewish.  Her source was my aunt, who I would of thought wouldn't buy into those kind of rumors, but she got an email from someone in the church announcing it, therefore it was true.  It always seems to be whoever is popular at the moment.  
 
Did anyone else hear these growing up? 

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Posted: 27 March 2009 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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When I was in high school there was a rumor going around that Bill Cosby was LDS.  Of course this was untrue, but it made everyone thrilled because it was the eighties and he was king of TV. 
I also remember my mom telling me when I came home for a visit (in the nineties) that Jerry Seinfeld was a mormon.  I didn't think she even knew who he was.  I laughed and asked her where she had heard that because of course, he's not a mormon and I was quite sure he was Jewish.  Her source was my aunt, who I would of thought wouldn't buy into those kind of rumors, but she got an email from someone in the church announcing it, therefore it was true.  It always seems to be whoever is popular at the moment.  
 
Did anyone else hear these growing up? 

 
 I heard steve martin was a mormon. Turns out there is a steve martin in my ward now. Not the same one, obviously.
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Posted: 27 March 2009 04:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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Oh gosh! How many rumors can we count?
David Hasslehoff
Stewart Peterson (see what happens when you portray young JS?)
Johnny Whitaker (he actually IS LDS - went to Portugal on his mission) 
Lief Garrett
Mark Hamil
Grant Goodeve
Willie Ames
Adam Rich
    The last 4 were part of 8 is enough... of course many will know Mark from Star Wars
 
 
I'm sure I could list hundreds.... don't know how many were really LDS other than Johnny - I actually got to meet him just after he married... I had it confirmed, YES, he IS LDS. Don't know if he's still active...

Anywho... I think all religions tend to claim membership by famous people. It somehow makes the religion more appealing to investigators.
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I believe Steve Martin has been haunted by this rumor for years.
 


   


Posted: 27 March 2009 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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Any thing lovely, virtuous, or whatever, has to be Mormon. It couldn't be anything else. SO these sorry saps attach anything good in the world to Mormonism.
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Posted: 27 March 2009 06:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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I heard that Glenn Beck was a mormon. You know the guy that said "Believe in something. Even if it’s wrong. Believe in something." 
If you google "glenn beck is an idiot" you get over 150,000 sites, plus google gives you "glenn beck moron" as related topics.  
 
Oh wait Glenn Beck is a mormon.  Good luck with that mormons.  
 
Obviously this shows my political bias, but I can't help but take extra enjoyment everytime Jon Stewart & Steven Colbert hit the easy target that he is.
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He-man.  He was my idol.  He didn't need garments to keep him safe.   

   


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 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.


   


Posted: 27 March 2009 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]   

   
 
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i am stealing this from someone else who mentioned it in another thread, so forgive me if i forget WHO it was, but i think they deserve the credit:
 
ted bundy
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  i'm laughing because when mormons say "famous" i think: on which end?  famous or infamous??  both were "famous" and both were "mormons"
 
the same person also said that just because people are famous, it makes the mormons think:  it HAS to be right!! 
it gives their pathetic religion some sort of credibility.
 
but, when you look at others who were mormons, they shun and run!
 
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Posted: 27 March 2009 07:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]   

   
 
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ClearThoughts:
I heard that Glenn Beck was a mormon. You know the guy that said "Believe in something. Even if it’s wrong. Believe in something." 
If you google "glenn beck is an idiot" you get over 150,000 sites, plus google gives you "glenn beck moron" as related topics.  
 
Oh wait Glenn Beck is a mormon.  Good luck with that mormons.  
 
Obviously this shows my political bias, but I can't help but take extra enjoyment everytime Jon Stewart & Steven Colbert hit the easy target that he is.
 
You are amusing. 
 
Around these parts people used to spectulate about whether Robert Redford's wife was a Mormon. (They are now divorced.) She might have been -- she was a local girl with the right name.
 
But it brings you back to the question, what is this all about? Why should people care whether Mrs. Robert Redford is a Mormon?
 
I don't know if it is because there are not a lot of prominent Mormon role models around (outside of LDS culture, in the mainstream culture), so people need to invent some. Or, as someone pointed out, anything praiseworthy must be Mormon. During the '80's Bill Cosby became the image of family, so he must be a Mormon as they own the copyright on family.
 
And to be fair, I've heard this goes on the Irish community, including claims the Shakespeare was really Irish. (I guess this is to add absurdity into the the dispute about whether Shakespeare wrote his own plays, turning the question from debatable -- not hugely interesting, but debatable -- into impossible.)
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Posted: 27 March 2009 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]   

   
 
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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 Alice isn't mormon but he has mormon ties.  His dad or his grandfather was an apostle of the The Bickertonites, which is an offshoot of the LDS church from the beginning.   His dad's name, "Ether Moroni Furnier."  Doesn't sound very mormon at all, does it.


   


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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 So far as I know it is true. His real name was Vincent Furnier (sp?) and I think his grandfather was an apostle. 
 
What I liked about this story was the way his former-Mormon status was used to emphasize just how evil he was. He was a rock star (ooooh!) who decapitated chickens (not true but, ooooooooh!!) and had rejected the true, restored gospel (AUGH!!!!). Don't listen to Alice Cooper kids! Not only does he worship Satan, he KNOWS BETTER.
 
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 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
From Wikipedia
 
Alice Cooper was born Vincent Damon Furnier in Detroit, Michigan, the son of Ella Mae (née McCart) and Ether Moroni Furnier. While in Detroit, Furnier attended Nankin Mills Middle School, which is now Lutheran High School Westland. His grandfather, Thurman Sylvester Furnier, was an apostle in The Church of Jesus Christ based in Monongahela, Pennsylvania. Vincent Furnier's father was an Elder in The Church of Jesus Christ. Furnier has some distant French Huguenot ancestry; the remainder of his ancestry is English and Scottish.[8]
 
 
 

If that's true, I guess he was born a Rigdonite.  Wikipedia says he now is a born again Christian


   


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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 So far as I know it is true. His real name was Vincent Furnier (sp?) and I think his grandfather was an apostle. 
 
What I liked about this story was the way his former-Mormon status was used to emphasize just how evil he was. He was a rock star (ooooh!) who decapitated chickens (not true but, ooooooooh!!) and had rejected the true, restored gospel (AUGH!!!!). Don't listen to Alice Cooper kids! Not only does he worship Satan, he KNOWS BETTER.
 
Edit: Tibber obviously has a better memory than I!
 
I also heard he once ate shit on stage (obviously not true)


   


Posted: 27 March 2009 08:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]   

   
 
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thewriterwithin:
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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 Alice isn't mormon but he has mormon ties.  His dad or his grandfather was an apostle of the The Bickertonites, which is an offshoot of the LDS church from the beginning.   His dad's name, "Ether Moroni Furnier."  Doesn't sound very mormon at all, does it.
 
Oh, poor child! No wonder he didn't turn out well!
 
Ooops! I suppose that implies a judgement about not only Alice Cooper, but an entire brand of music. Excuse e'moi! Didn't mean to step on any toes.
 
 
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The movie I was thinking of, however, was New York Doll and the rocker who converted was Authur "Killer" Kane.
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 I HAVE THE POWER !!!!!!!!!
 
 It always bothered me that Skeletor's voice didn't seem to match his body type.  I also had a major thing for Evilynn (sp).  Something about her drove me wild; maybe she's the reason I fell in love with and married an asian woman; I'm sure the He-man creators did the typical "dragon lady" stereotype with her.  Man at arms was one of my favorites too.
 
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tibber:
He-man.  He was my idol.  He didn't need garments to keep him safe.  
 
 I HAVE THE POWER !!!!!!!!!
 
 It always bothered me that Skeletor's voice didn't seem to match his body type.  I also had a major thing for Evilynn (sp).  Something about her drove me wild; maybe she's the reason I fell in love with and married an asian woman; I'm sure the He-man creators did the typical "dragon lady" stereotype with her.  Man at arms was one of my favorites too.
 
BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL! 
 
Personally I was always a Cheetara fan... nice glutes...
 
Uh... and I heard she had earned her Young Woman's medal thingy...
 
 
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True fact (look it up):  Aaron Eckhart is LDS.  He's probably best known as the main character in "Thank You For Smoking", and Harvey Dent in "The Dark Knight".  He has appeared in several graphic R-rated movies, so I don't think he takes that part of mormonism seriously.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Eckhart
 
From the sound of it, he's not really active any more, but back in the day he graduated from BYU.
 
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I have heard that Larry King's 18th and current wife is LDS.  Maybe she helped Larry land the interview with Gordon B. Hinckley...
 

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True fact (look it up):  Aaron Eckhart is LDS.  He's probably best known as the main character in "Thank You For Smoking", and Harvey Dent in "The Dark Knight".  He has appeared in several graphic R-rated movies, so I don't think he takes that part of mormonism seriously.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Eckhart
 
From the sound of it, he's not really active any more, but back in the day he graduated from BYU.
 
Eckhart
 
 I love Aaron Eckhart! (I think he's dreamy...don't tell my hubby...)
 
I heard the same thing about Steve Martin, but since he's currently butchering Pink Panther I don't think that will be a rumor anymore. I honestly don't keep up enough to have heard any other rumors.
 
totally off topic, but I'm having an interesting brain-fart at the moment while listening to Ministry and staring at the little hand-clapping icon  ...he's clapping in time with the music...it's freaking me out! I think I need to lie down.
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poodledoodledude:
i am stealing this from someone else who mentioned it in another thread, so forgive me if i forget WHO it was, but i think they deserve the credit:
 
ted bundy
gary gillmore
 
  i'm laughing because when mormons say "famous" i think: on which end?  famous or infamous??  both were "famous" and both were "mormons"
 
the same person also said that just because people are famous, it makes the mormons think:  it HAS to be right!! 
it gives their pathetic religion some sort of credibility.
 
but, when you look at others who were mormons, they shun and run!
 
poodledoodledude
 
Nice little twist, poodle.
 
My contribution:
 
Butch Cassidy.
 
Too bad Paul Newman made him look like such a romantic and engaging fellow.
 
In actuality, he and his Hole-in-the-Wall Gang were responsible for numerous killings during their robbery spree.
 
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And was Butch Cassidy Mormon? This celebrity gossip is getting interesting!
 
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Posted: 27 March 2009 09:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]   

   
 
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And was Butch Cassidy Mormon? This celebrity gossip is getting interesting!
 
Popcorn and wine, anyone?
 
I heard somewhere that Butch Cassidy's parents were Mormons.
 
 
 
Don't forget about Mark Hacking.  Wasn't he a returned missionary.  I guess he isn't so much a celebrity as a murderer.


   


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The blond brother and sister  who are dancers on "Dancing with the Stars".  It is such a small world I bet there are people who post here that know them.
 
 
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I have had some fun poking around the website www.famousmormons.net
 
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And was Butch Cassidy Mormon? This celebrity gossip is getting interesting!
 
Popcorn and wine, anyone?
 
I heard somewhere that Butch Cassidy's parents were Mormons.
 
 
 Butch Cassidy was born in Beaver, 10 years after his parents converted to the LDS Church and moved to Utah from England.
 
I believe he was one of 13 children. 
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And was Butch Cassidy Mormon? This celebrity gossip is getting interesting!
 
Popcorn and wine, anyone?
 
I heard somewhere that Butch Cassidy's parents were Mormons.
 
 
 Butch Cassidy was born in Beaver, 10 years after his parents converted to the LDS Church and moved to Utah from England.
 
I believe he was one of 13 children. 
Sounds pretty LDS to me.
 
 
Yet another where I can say, oh that poor child! No wonder he turned out badly!
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Posted: 27 March 2009 10:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]   

   
 
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Who was that guy on the old TV Show WKRP in Cincinatti? Wasn't he a mormon? 

   


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Who was that guy on the old TV Show WKRP in Cincinatti? Wasn't he a mormon?
 Gordon Jump.  And yes he was.
 


   


Posted: 27 March 2009 10:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]   

   
 
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I kept hearing the Elvis was very interested and had at least read the Book of Mormon..???
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Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 


   


Posted: 27 March 2009 10:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]   

   
 
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Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?


   


Posted: 27 March 2009 10:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]   

   
 
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Has anybody said anything yet about the Osmonds? 
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Has anybody said anything yet about the Osmonds? 
 
Oh yeah...them too.
 
 
The famous mormons website says something about Christina Aguillerra and Jewel both having some Mormon ties somewhere in their family.


   


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Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?
 
Do any of you remember Mr. Maytag repairman also appearing in early versions of the temple films (in the Peter, James and John sequence)?
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The blond brother and sister  who are dancers on "Dancing with the Stars".  It is such a small world I bet there are people who post here that know them.
 
 
I saw them on an entertainment show with all their beautiful ,blonde brothers and sisters talking about being a mormon family.  I think the brother's pretty creepy personally .  Julianne did a dance a couple of seasons ago with Apollo that made me blush.  It was simulated sex no question and I was glad my daughter wasn't watching.  I said to my husband, I bet if she's a virgin she'll look back at this dance in horror once she is a virgin no more.  I don't know how they justify doing some of the dances they do and feel as though they are good little mormons.  
 
 
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When I was in high school there was a rumor going around that Bill Cosby was LDS.  Of course this was untrue, but it made everyone thrilled because it was the eighties and he was king of TV. 
I also remember my mom telling me when I came home for a visit (in the nineties) that Jerry Seinfeld was a mormon.  I didn't think she even knew who he was.  I laughed and asked her where she had heard that because of course, he's not a mormon and I was quite sure he was Jewish.  Her source was my aunt, who I would of thought wouldn't buy into those kind of rumors, but she got an email from someone in the church announcing it, therefore it was true.  It always seems to be whoever is popular at the moment.  
 
Did anyone else hear these growing up? 

 
 I heard steve martin was a mormon. Turns out there is a steve martin in my ward now. Not the same one, obviously.
 
LOL Steve Martin went to my HS, he went to my HS becaues he was expelled from the cross town school. I think they still tell storries about the things that guy did.
 
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Posted: 28 March 2009 12:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]   

   
 
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Let's see...
 
 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 So far as I know it is true. His real name was Vincent Furnier (sp?) and I think his grandfather was an apostle. 
 
What I liked about this story was the way his former-Mormon status was used to emphasize just how evil he was. He was a rock star (ooooh!) who decapitated chickens (not true but, ooooooooh!!) and had rejected the true, restored gospel (AUGH!!!!). Don't listen to Alice Cooper kids! Not only does he worship Satan, he KNOWS BETTER.
 
Edit: Tibber obviously has a better memory than I!
 
I also heard he once ate shit on stage (obviously not true)
 
 
 It was Ozzi, and it was a bat.
They had a bunch of rubber bats on the stageand he would bite the heads off. Well someone had thrown a bat on stage, and hebit it's head off.
He had to have rabies shots!
 
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Posted: 28 March 2009 12:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]   

   
 
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I kept hearing the Elvis was very interested and had at least read the Book of Mormon..???
 
 And God did not come to Elvis and tell him it was true?
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Posted: 28 March 2009 12:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]   

   
 
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I kept hearing the Elvis was very interested and had at least read the Book of Mormon..???
 
 And God did not come to Elvis and tell him it was true?
How could God not like Elvis?
 
 
Yeah..when I found out about this..I checked into Heartbreak Hotel and
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like those Blue Suede Shoes!!  So..just decided to do things..my way..
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Posted: 28 March 2009 12:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]   

   
 
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and don't forget Steve Young.... pro-equality all the way his wife is... even donating to the NO on 8 campaign in CALI!!!!! that family is my hero... 

   


Posted: 28 March 2009 01:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]   

   
 
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Posted: 28 March 2009 01:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]   

   
 
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I sometimes feel that Steve Young is so confused..
 
 Maybe he should have a talk with Joe Montana?
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Posted: 28 March 2009 01:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]   

   
 
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I sometimes feel that Steve Young is so confused..
Yea, he's gay right?  I kid.  I know he's married with children.  I use to insist that he was gay when he was playing for SanFran to all my homophobic, TBM friends.  When he'd smack his teammates butts, I'd say "see".  They stopped letting we watch the games with them.
 
I'm glad to hear that he stood up to prop h8.  That must of been a bit hard for him since he's such a well known figure in the church.   Good for him.  
 
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Posted: 28 March 2009 01:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]   

   
 
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I have one that nobody has mentioned yet.  A few years ago I heard that Snoop Dogg was converting to mormonism.  This just made me laugh histerically and I was a TBM at the time.
 
I guess the whole wow doesn't apply to MJ.   The funny thing is that I saw pictures of him with a BOM and I am sure everyone saw thatand were like "oh look Snoop is repenting".  As far as I know all he ever did was accept a BOM from the missionaries, but that might even be wrong.  
 
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Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?
 
Do any of you remember Mr. Maytag repairman also appearing in early versions of the temple films (in the Peter, James and John sequence)?
 
Oh yea baby!  I remember the old movie....Adam had such a bad wig.
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Ladyinthehat:
jackfitzzzzz:
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Clio:
Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?
 
Do any of you remember Mr. Maytag repairman also appearing in early versions of the temple films (in the Peter, James and John sequence)?
 
Oh yea baby!  I remember the old movie....Adam had such a bad wig. 
 
In the different films, Eve also went from blond hair to brown hair.  I guess "only her hairdresser knows for sure."
 

(and how many of you are old enough to know what "only her hairdresser knows for sure" means?)
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Ladyinthehat:
jackfitzzzzz:
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Clio:
Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?
 
Do any of you remember Mr. Maytag repairman also appearing in early versions of the temple films (in the Peter, James and John sequence)?
 
Oh yea baby!  I remember the old movie....Adam had such a bad wig. 
 
In the different films, Eve also went from blond hair to brown hair.  I guess "only her hairdresser knows for sure."
 

(and how many of you are old enough to know what "only her hairdresser knows for sure" means?)
 
 OH...Me...Me!  I know what it means!  We are showing our age here Jack.
Why haven't you joined the Friday night Postmo party?  Hummmmm.....too good for us?
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jackfitzzzzz:
Ladyinthehat:
jackfitzzzzz:
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Clio:
Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?
 
Do any of you remember Mr. Maytag repairman also appearing in early versions of the temple films (in the Peter, James and John sequence)?
 
Oh yea baby!  I remember the old movie....Adam had such a bad wig. 
 
In the different films, Eve also went from blond hair to brown hair.  I guess "only her hairdresser knows for sure."
 

(and how many of you are old enough to know what "only her hairdresser knows for sure" means?)
 
 OH...Me...Me!  I know what it means!  We are showing our age here Jack.
Why haven't you joined the Friday night Postmo party?  Hummmmm.....too good for us? 
 
I know, I know, I know what that means too......
 
Opps, I guess I just gave a way my age as well.
 
Ya Jack how come you haven't joined the party thread yet.
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Ladyinthehat:
jackfitzzzzz:
Ladyinthehat:
jackfitzzzzz:
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Clio:
Oh wait - I know another! I was told the lonely Maytag repair man from some old ads was Mormon.
 
 
 
I think that was also Gordon Jump.....yes?
 
Do any of you remember Mr. Maytag repairman also appearing in early versions of the temple films (in the Peter, James and John sequence)?
 
Oh yea baby!  I remember the old movie....Adam had such a bad wig. 
 
In the different films, Eve also went from blond hair to brown hair.  I guess "only her hairdresser knows for sure."
 

(and how many of you are old enough to know what "only her hairdresser knows for sure" means?)
 
 OH...Me...Me!  I know what it means!  We are showing our age here Jack.
Why haven't you joined the Friday night Postmo party?  Hummmmm.....too good for us? 
 
I know, I know, I know what that means too......
 
Opps, I guess I just gave a way my age as well.
 
Ya Jack how come you haven't joined the party thread yet.
he thinks he is too cool for us
 
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Back in the 90's when all the crazies were making up outrageous stories about Marilyn Manson I remember a relative saying he was brought up in the church and even went on a mission. Mind you these were the same people who thought Ace of Base were the biological offspring of Abba...
 


   


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Back in the 90's when all the crazies were making up outrageous stories about Marilyn Manson I remember a relative saying he was brought up in the church and even went on a mission. Mind you these were the same people who thought Ace of Base were the biological offspring of Abba...
 
 
 You mean to tell me they're not?
 
 
Marilyn Manson wasn't brought up in church nor is he LDS I think he just dissed the BoM on stage once while he was doing a concert in utah in the mid-90's.  Kind of like when the Bulls were playing the Jazz once and Michael Jordan,  in talking about Utah or possibly St. George said, "the only good thing about utah (or St. george) is that it's close to Vegas." 
 
Mike Holmgren is LDS.  And I know there were a few Packer's who took a discussion or two while Holmgren was their coach, Favre was not one of them.
 
Aaron Eckhart is inactive but professed, in Men's Health, that he still believes, somewhat, he just doesn't go.  Also the lead singer of "the Killers" is LDS, but I think he's been inactive since he was 14-15.
 
Oh and I heard some guy named Tibber, super famous, used to be LDS and he once ate a shit on stage and burned his garments off while they were still on his body;  and I heard he tore 5 BoM's in half, at the same time, while he was using the potty and that he had a 7 day marathon sexual escapade with Katherine Heigel and 11 other famous women IN THE TEMPLE! And I heard Christ himself appeared to Tibber and co while they were in the temple and Christ said, "that guy, Tibber, man.  What a stallion."


   


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I've heard (and tend to believe) that Tom Hanks used to be mormon.  Katherine Heigel (sp? - from Knocked Up).  Glayds (sp?) Knight.  William Brimmley (sp?) - he did the oatmeal commercials, I think.  Eric Estrada (I DO know that part of his family is because he came to my ward once for an Estrada farewell)
 
Wow, I'm gonna go back to mormonism so I can get some autographs!!
 
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Posted: 28 March 2009 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]   

   
 
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Back in the 90's when all the crazies were making up outrageous stories about Marilyn Manson I remember a relative saying he was brought up in the church and even went on a mission. Mind you these were the same people who thought Ace of Base were the biological offspring of Abba...
 
 
 You mean to tell me they're not?
 
 
Marilyn Manson wasn't brought up in church nor is he LDS I think he just dissed the BoM on stage once while he was doing a concert in utah in the mid-90's.  Kind of like when the Bulls were playing the Jazz once and Michael Jordan,  in talking about Utah or possibly St. George said, "the only good thing about utah (or St. george) is that it's close to Vegas."  
 
Mike Holmgren is LDS.  And I know there were a few Packer's who took a discussion or two while Holmgren was their coach, Favre was not one of them.
 
Aaron Eckhart is inactive but professed, in Men's Health, that he still believes, somewhat, he just doesn't go.  Also the lead singer of "the Killers" is LDS, but I think he's been inactive since he was 14-15.
 
Oh and I heard some guy named Tibber, super famous, used to be LDS and he once ate a shit on stage and burned his garments off while they were still on his body;  and I heard he tore 5 BoM's in half, at the same time, while he was using the potty and that he had a 7 day marathon sexual escapade with Katherine Heigel and 11 other famous women IN THE TEMPLE! And I heard Christ himself appeared to Tibber and co while they were in the temple and Christ said, "that guy, Tibber, man.  What a stallion."
 
This rumor IS going around New England.  I've yet to investigate - but I was told that he wasn't so much a 'stallion' but a gerbil fan.  Don't quote me on that - Just what I heard.....The Boston Herald isn't the most reliable source of info   (I am soooo kidding, Tibber....I'm sure you're at least Hung like a Stallion)
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This rumor IS going around New England.  I've yet to investigate - but I was told that he wasn't so much a 'stallion' but a gerbil fan.  Don't quote me on that - Just what I heard.....The Boston Herald isn't the most reliable source of info   (I am soooo kidding, Tibber....I'm sure you're at least Hung like a Stallion)
 
The other rumor was that Christ was going to join Mr Tibber, but upon seeing Tibber in all his gloriousness, had to shield his eyes lest he was smitten with a curse.  Two days later tibber found Christ donned in sack cloth and ashes and walking around the temple grounds cursing Elohim for bestowing tibber with such a blessing.  Tibber helped Christ realize that his "lack" was a test of his faith.  Then they both read Alma chapter 32 and Tibber forgave christ of his enviousness, and Tom Cruise tried to shoot them both with a machine gun. 
 
On a different note.  I was looking through wikipedia and came to this page that chronicles the "known geneology" of Helaman 
 
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Posted: 28 March 2009 06:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]   

   
 
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i am stealing this from someone else who mentioned it in another thread, so forgive me if i forget WHO it was, but i think they deserve the credit:
 
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  i'm laughing because when mormons say "famous" i think: on which end?  famous or infamous??  both were "famous" and both were "mormons"
 
the same person also said that just because people are famous, it makes the mormons think:  it HAS to be right!! 
it gives their pathetic religion some sort of credibility.
 
but, when you look at others who were mormons, they shun and run!
 
poodledoodledude
 
I realize I'm jumping in a little late here but this comment made me think of something related.
 
Scientology!  I mean, hey, if Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Nancy Cartwright (voice of bart simpson) belong, then it must be even more true!  And think about it, if you put Cruise or Travolta head to head against Gordon Jump, who's gonna win?
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i am stealing this from someone else who mentioned it in another thread, so forgive me if i forget WHO it was, but i think they deserve the credit:
 
ted bundy
gary gillmore
 
  i'm laughing because when mormons say "famous" i think: on which end?  famous or infamous??  both were "famous" and both were "mormons"
 
the same person also said that just because people are famous, it makes the mormons think:  it HAS to be right!! 
it gives their pathetic religion some sort of credibility.
 
but, when you look at others who were mormons, they shun and run!
 
poodledoodledude
 
I realize I'm jumping in a little late here but this comment made me think of something related.
 
Scientology!  I mean, hey, if Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Nancy Cartwright (voice of bart simpson) belong, then it must be even more true!  And think about it, if you put Cruise or Travolta head to head against Gordon Jump, who's gonna win?
You're on to something.  I'm quite sure that the Jackson 5 could of kicked the Osmond's asses any day.  So the JW church must be true too! 
 
This is funny, I looked at WikiAnswers to see what religion Michael Jackson is and here's what it says:
 
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Michael Jackson was raised as a Jehovah's Witness by his mother.
 
FURTHER
He announced publically about 15-20 years ago that he has disassociated himself from Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
 
CURRENTLY
he is a mormon
 
 
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Michael_Jackson's_religion
 
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Gladys Knight, and I understand she has given some grief to the 12 about the slow, boring church music!
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This is funny, I looked at WikiAnswers to see what religion Michael Jackson is and here's what it says:
 
Question: What religion is Michael Jackson?
 
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Michael Jackson was raised as a Jehovah's Witness by his mother.
 
FURTHER
He announced publically about 15-20 years ago that he has disassociated himself from Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
 
CURRENTLY
he is a mormon
 
 
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Michael_Jackson's_religion
 
 
Lmao, that's hilarious!
 
I found another link stating that he is now a Muslim:
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17555/michael-jackson-islam
 
Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Muslim, anyone see a pattern?  Seriously, I doubt that he was ever Mormon, though I understand that he and Jimmy Osmond were at least friends for a time.   But thanks for bringing that site up.  My guess is that  either it was a wishful mormon who came up with the answer, or possibly someone who confused Mormonism with Islam.
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Oh and I heard some guy named Tibber, super famous, used to be LDS and he once ate a shit on stage and burned his garments off while they were still on his body;  and I heard he tore 5 BoM's in half, at the same time, while he was using the potty and that he had a 7 day marathon sexual escapade with Katherine Heigel and 11 other famous women IN THE TEMPLE! And I heard Christ himself appeared to Tibber and co while they were in the temple and Christ said, "that guy, Tibber, man.  What a stallion."
 
 I heard that when Tibber did so many famous women and Jesus showed up, a new sign and token were given. It's made by clenching the right hand in a fist and extending it towards the other person. It's called the Sacred Fist Bump, or sure sign of the pimp.
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 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 Alice isn't mormon but he has mormon ties.  His dad or his grandfather was an apostle of the The Bickertonites, which is an offshoot of the LDS church from the beginning.   His dad's name, "Ether Moroni Furnier."  Doesn't sound very mormon at all, does it.
 
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Alice Cooper was born Vincent Damon Furnier in Detroit, Michigan, the son of Ella Mae (née McCart) and Ether Moroni Furnier. While in Detroit, Furnier attended Nankin Mills Middle School, which is now Lutheran High School Westland. His grandfather, Thurman Sylvester Furnier, was an apostle in The Church of Jesus Christ based in Monongahela, Pennsylvania. Vincent Furnier's father was an Elder in The Church of Jesus Christ. Furnier has some distant French Huguenot ancestry; the remainder of his ancestry is English and Scottish.[8]
 
 
Oh my gosh....  I think this post has uncovered the key to the major configurations in my life - for REAL.
 
I was raised mormon by my dad and step-mom.  My step-mom converted my dad.  I was 5 when they married.   Now here's where this gets interesting.... 
 
Vincent Furnier was in my step-mom's class in highschool (Camelback - AZ) AND his father and hers carpooled to work for many years.  This is PROBABLY where my grandfather became exposed to the church,  I KNOW that this is the time frame and place that he converted....
 
Damn that Alice Cooper and his dad... 
 
btw... any confirmation on whether Larry King's wife is LDS?  I know that within the last few years she has struggled with addiction to painkillers and has been in and out of rehab...  (MikeU are you reading this?  Kinda ties into your thread on the church and Belief in God as it relates to addiction...  If in fact it is true)


   


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Hey,  I heard a rumor that Richard Dutcher was mormon....
 
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 Alice Cooper is the one I always heard about.
 
So is this true? I don't know about Alice, but there was one rocker who converted. Someone made a movie about him.  .  . Trying to remember details, but my brain (which is not myself) is gone. Good thing I am more than my brain!
 
 Alice isn't mormon but he has mormon ties.  His dad or his grandfather was an apostle of the The Bickertonites, which is an offshoot of the LDS church from the beginning.   His dad's name, "Ether Moroni Furnier."  Doesn't sound very mormon at all, does it.
 
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From Wikipedia

Alice Cooper was born Vincent Damon Furnier in Detroit, Michigan, the son of Ella Mae (née McCart) and Ether Moroni Furnier. While in Detroit, Furnier attended Nankin Mills Middle School, which is now Lutheran High School Westland. His grandfather, Thurman Sylvester Furnier, was an apostle in The Church of Jesus Christ based in Monongahela, Pennsylvania. Vincent Furnier's father was an Elder in The Church of Jesus Christ. Furnier has some distant French Huguenot ancestry; the remainder of his ancestry is English and Scottish.[8]
 
 
Oh my gosh....  I think this post has uncovered the key to the major configurations in my life - for REAL.
 
I was raised mormon by my dad and step-mom.  My step-mom converted my dad.  I was 5 when they married.   Now here's where this gets interesting.... 
 
Vincent Furnier was in my step-mom's class in highschool (Camelback - AZ) AND his father and hers carpooled to work for many years.  This is PROBABLY where my grandfather became exposed to the church,  I KNOW that this is the time frame and place that he converted....
 
Damn that Alice Cooper and his dad... 
 
btw... any confirmation on whether Larry King's wife is LDS?  I know that within the last few years she has struggled with addiction to painkillers and has been in and out of rehab...  (MikeU are you reading this?  Kinda ties into your thread on the church and Belief in God as it relates to addiction...  If in fact it is true)
 Larry King's wife is LDS, although I don't think too strong.  She is a singer, and she sang at the Stadium of Fire at BYU a few years ago (not too good, BTW). Larry gets a younger wife and to interview Hinkley, and she gets singing engagements at the Stadium of Fire!
 
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I have had some fun poking around the website www.famousmormons.net
 
I really enjoyed the "rumoured to be mormon" and the "infamous" mormons sections.
 
This site is run like Mormon records! smiley19.gif If they are members of record then they're LDS. Doesn't matter if they don't identify as mormon or haven't practiced mormonism in a LONG time they are still Mormon!
 
I know Katherine Heigl's story is a sad one. However she is a member of record and the fact that their family converted after the death of her brother kind of doesn't sit well with me.
 
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In 1986, her older brother Jason died of injuries suffered in a car accident, after being thrown from the back of a pickup truck while out for lunch with some of his high school classmates. Following his death, the family decided to donate his organs.[9] Afterward, their parents converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (prior to that her mother was Lutheran and her father Catholic).[7] Heigl is now a strong proponent of organ donation.[10] Although she is no longer a practicing Mormon, she remains positive on several aspects of the religion,[11] and has expressed interest in returning to her faith.
 
I can see it now. The missionaries pull out the video of the movie where they show the little girl had died and the family copes by joining mormonism beacuse they "promise" that the family will be reunited in heaven, but only if they are Mormon. smiley26.gif
 
Still she doesn't practice Mormonism and I think she only says she thinks about going back to the religion because she probably feels like it's easier to say that then to tell her parents she doesn't want to be Mormon anymore, or it's easier to believe or think that she'll see her brother again only through the mormon religion. :(
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I used to hear the Alice Cooper rumors too, the one where he would dye his fathers garments and wear them on stage!
 
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  Also the lead singer of "the Killers" is LDS, but I think he's been inactive since he was 14-15.
 
 
Well, he's gone and named his son Ammon, so I'm assuming he's back into it again. Lame. No wonder the new album is so BORING!
 
 
Some of my favorite post-Mormons are actor Ryan Gosling and musician Win Butler (of the Arcade Fire). The Arcade Fire's last album "Neon Bible" seem to have some references to Mormonism in it. At least I think it does.
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Oh and I heard some guy named Tibber, super famous, used to be LDS and he once ate a shit on stage and burned his garments off while they were still on his body;  and I heard he tore 5 BoM's in half, at the same time, while he was using the potty and that he had a 7 day marathon sexual escapade with Katherine Heigel and 11 other famous women IN THE TEMPLE! And I heard Christ himself appeared to Tibber and co while they were in the temple and Christ said, "that guy, Tibber, man.  What a stallion."
 
 I heard that when Tibber did so many famous women and Jesus showed up, a new sign and token were given. It's made by clenching the right hand in a fist and extending it towards the other person. It's called the Sacred Fist Bump, or sure sign of the pimp.
 
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This rumor IS going around New England.  I've yet to investigate - but I was told that he wasn't so much a 'stallion' but a gerbil fan.  Don't quote me on that - Just what I heard.....The Boston Herald isn't the most reliable source of info   (I am soooo kidding, Tibber....I'm sure you're at least Hung like a Stallion)
 
The other rumor was that Christ was going to join Mr Tibber, but upon seeing Tibber in all his gloriousness, had to shield his eyes lest he was smitten with a curse.  Two days later tibber found Christ donned in sack cloth and ashes and walking around the temple grounds cursing Elohim for bestowing tibber with such a blessing.  Tibber helped Christ realize that his "lack" was a test of his faith.  Then they both read Alma chapter 32 and Tibber forgave christ of his enviousness, and Tom Cruise tried to shoot them both with a machine gun.  
 
On a different note.  I was looking through wikipedia and came to this page that chronicles the "known geneology" of Helaman  
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helaman
 
 
 
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Far as I can tell, no one has yet mentioned one of the great rumored-to-be Mormons, President Obama.
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Far as I can tell, no one has yet mentioned one of the great rumored-to-be Mormons, President Obama.
 
 Yup.
There you go.
Looks like that goofy handshake is in the making here...
 
 
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i am stealing this from someone else who mentioned it in another thread, so forgive me if i forget WHO it was, but i think they deserve the credit:
 
ted bundy
gary gillmore
 
  i'm laughing because when mormons say "famous" i think: on which end?  famous or infamous??  both were "famous" and both were "mormons"
 
the same person also said that just because people are famous, it makes the mormons think:  it HAS to be right!! 
it gives their pathetic religion some sort of credibility.
 
but, when you look at others who were mormons, they shun and run!
 
poodledoodledude
 
I realize I'm jumping in a little late here but this comment made me think of something related.
 
Scientology!  I mean, hey, if Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Nancy Cartwright (voice of bart simpson) belong, then it must be even more true!  And think about it, if you put Cruise or Travolta head to head against Gordon Jump, who's gonna win?
You're on to something.  I'm quite sure that the Jackson 5 could of kicked the Osmond's asses any day.  So the JW church must be true too! 
 
This is funny, I looked at WikiAnswers to see what religion Michael Jackson is and here's what it says:
 
Question: What religion is Michael Jackson?
 
Answer:
 
Michael Jackson was raised as a Jehovah's Witness by his mother.
 
FURTHER
He announced publically about 15-20 years ago that he has disassociated himself from Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
 
CURRENTLY
he is a mormon
 
 
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Michael_Jackson's_religion
 
 
Yes, there is a Michael Jackson who is Mormon, but it's not the Michael Jackson. I think the Jackson is Muslim now.


   


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I think Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were supposed to be Mormon but since they didn't believe in any thing the current Mormons teach it must just be a false rumor.
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Aaron Eckhart was not only Mormon, but a returned missionary (France somewhere I think). There is a prominent poster over on FLaK who served with him.
 
Shawn King is Mormon, but not for long. She cheated on Larry and will probably be exed.
 
Katherine Heigl was raised mormon, but is obviously not active. 
 
Eliza Dushku was raised Mormon, but is not active. I heard her interviewed by Howard Stern just before the premiere of her new show, Dollhouse. Howard being Howard, asked her if she wore magic underwear and she said, "I don't wear temple garments, but my mother does." Every time he said, "magic underwear" she corrected him and said "temple garments" which I found interesting. She also said she had a "Mormon hymn" tattooed on her hip.
 
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Aaron Eckhart was not only Mormon, but a returned missionary (France somewhere I think). There is a prominent poster over on FLaK who served with him.
 
Shawn King is Mormon, but not for long. She cheated on Larry and will probably be exed.
 
Katherine Heigl was raised mormon, but is obviously not active. 
 
Eliza Dushku was raised Mormon, but is not active. I heard her interviewed by Howard Stern just before the premiere of her new show, Dollhouse. Howard being Howard, asked her if she wore magic underwear and she said, "I don't wear temple garments, but my mother does." Every time he said, "magic underwear" she corrected him and said "temple garments" which I found interesting. She also said she had a "Mormon hymn" tattooed on her hip.
 
Wasn't Bobby Brady LDS?
 
 Well this is news.  When did this come out?  And why would she be exed, except maybe from her marriage?  It is not like they were sealed in the temple or anything.  To my knowledge Larry never converted to LDS.
 
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Shawn King is Mormon, but not for long. She cheated on Larry and will probably be exed.
 

 
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Aaron Eckhart was not only Mormon, but a returned missionary (France somewhere I think). There is a prominent poster over on FLaK who served with him.
 
Shawn King is Mormon, but not for long. She cheated on Larry and will probably be exed.
 
Katherine Heigl was raised mormon, but is obviously not active. 
 
Eliza Dushku was raised Mormon, but is not active. I heard her interviewed by Howard Stern just before the premiere of her new show, Dollhouse. Howard being Howard, asked her if she wore magic underwear and she said, "I don't wear temple garments, but my mother does." Every time he said, "magic underwear" she corrected him and said "temple garments" which I found interesting. She also said she had a "Mormon hymn" tattooed on her hip.
 
Wasn't Bobby Brady LDS?
 
 Well this is news.  When did this come out?  And why would she be exed, except maybe from her marriage?  It is not like they were sealed in the temple or anything.  To my knowledge Larry never converted to LDS.
 
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I think Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were supposed to be Mormon but since they didn't believe in any thing the current Mormons teach it must just be a false rumor.
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Aaron Eckhart was not only Mormon, but a returned missionary (France somewhere I think). There is a prominent poster over on FLaK who served with him.
 
Shawn King is Mormon, but not for long. She cheated on Larry and will probably be exed.
 
Katherine Heigl was raised mormon, but is obviously not active. 
 
Eliza Dushku was raised Mormon, but is not active. I heard her interviewed by Howard Stern just before the premiere of her new show, Dollhouse. Howard being Howard, asked her if she wore magic underwear and she said, "I don't wear temple garments, but my mother does." Every time he said, "magic underwear" she corrected him and said "temple garments" which I found interesting. She also said she had a "Mormon hymn" tattooed on her hip.
 
Wasn't Bobby Brady LDS?
 
 Well this is news.  When did this come out?  And why would she be exed, except maybe from her marriage?  It is not like they were sealed in the temple or anything.  To my knowledge Larry never converted to LDS.
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
 
Adultery is an excommunicable offense.
Ya but, if they weren't married in a Mormon church or sealed in a Mormon temple doesn't that kind of discount the whole marriage thing anyway (in the eyes LDS)??
 
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Aaron Eckhart was not only Mormon, but a returned missionary (France somewhere I think). There is a prominent poster over on FLaK who served with him.
 
Shawn King is Mormon, but not for long. She cheated on Larry and will probably be exed.
 
Katherine Heigl was raised mormon, but is obviously not active. 
 
Eliza Dushku was raised Mormon, but is not active. I heard her interviewed by Howard Stern just before the premiere of her new show, Dollhouse. Howard being Howard, asked her if she wore magic underwear and she said, "I don't wear temple garments, but my mother does." Every time he said, "magic underwear" she corrected him and said "temple garments" which I found interesting. She also said she had a "Mormon hymn" tattooed on her hip.
 
Wasn't Bobby Brady LDS?
 
 Well this is news.  When did this come out?  And why would she be exed, except maybe from her marriage?  It is not like they were sealed in the temple or anything.  To my knowledge Larry never converted to LDS.
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
 
Adultery is an excommunicable offense.
Ya but, if they weren't married in a Mormon church or sealed in a Mormon temple doesn't that kind of discount the whole marriage thing anyway (in the eyes LDS)??
 
 Absolutely not... Both are sacred events... one for time, one for eternity.  DH and I fit under the first instance...
 


   


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I kept hearing the Elvis was very interested and had at least read the Book of Mormon..???
Vickie, you've been reading "The Peep Stone..."
 
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Aaron Eckhart was not only Mormon, but a returned missionary (France somewhere I think). There is a prominent poster over on FLaK who served with him.
 
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I kept hearing the Elvis was very interested and had at least read the Book of Mormon..???
Vickie, you've been reading "The Peep Stone..."
 
"LDS Church Seeking Celebrities"
 
Enjoy!  (Again...)
 
 
The link is very funny, Peter_Mary. I enjoyed the read.
 
 
I don't think anyone has brought up the fact that if the lead investigator of the FBI is correct, and D.B. Cooper and Richard McCoy are the same man, Cooper would be LDS. 
 
For you young'uns, D.B. Cooper hijacked an airplane for $200,000 and jumped out over the Pacific Northwest in the 1970s. That was a huge sum at that time.
 
He was never apprehended. 
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there is a rumor out right now that i'm a celbrity-
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Annie Lennox wrote "Don't mess with a missionary man" because she fell in love with a mormon missionary.
 
Bono wrote " I still haven't found what I'm looking for" right before he accepted discussions with the LDS missionaries.
 
These are two of many ridiculous but deadly sincere rumors that circulated on my mission.
 
Speaking of said mish....I had a vivid dream while on my mission that I tracted into Lou Reed's home (velvet underground....take a walk on the wild side).  I taught him the first discussion and he was very interested.
 
 


   


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I've heard (and tend to believe) that Tom Hanks used to be mormon.  Katherine Heigel (sp? - from Knocked Up).  Glayds (sp?) Knight.  William Brimmley (sp?) - he did the oatmeal commercials, I think.  Eric Estrada (I DO know that part of his family is because he came to my ward once for an Estrada farewell)
 
Wow, I'm gonna go back to mormonism so I can get some autographs!!
 
 
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 Well this is news.  When did this come out?  And why would she be exed, except maybe from her marriage?  It is not like they were sealed in the temple or anything.  To my knowledge Larry never converted to LDS.
 
Enquiring minds want to know.
 
 
Sorry, TruthR. I wrote that post and then was offline for several hours.
 
I read it on RfM, but Googled it and found several gossipy sources. Take it with a grain of salt. But the rumor is that she cheated with her son's baseball coach. The Enquirer has it here, but they aren't the only ones. And others are right, you don't have to be married to a Mormon for it to be against church rules to cheat.


   


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So I googled Famous Mormons (wanting to check out Amy Adams of the movie Doubt--(she of the low-cut stylish gowns... oops veering off topic).
 
sure enough the site still exists  http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=famous+mormons&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
 
As well there are several other Famous Mormons sites. Then I did a few spot checks of Catholics, Christians, Baptists and sites exist for those too.
 
So it made me wonder, if there are famous people who are the same religion as you, does that give credibility to your belief system?
 
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Yep, for some people, the fact that a famous person believes or does or uses something is an actual endorsement.
 
That is why it is very, very important for political parties to showcase the famous who support the cause. There are actually people - many people - who take that as meaningful. 
 
 
 
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I believe that Mormonism has an inferiority complex, and so over compensate by trying and believing that Mormons are the best at everything!
 
Famous people confirm the church is true.
Olympic athletes confirm the church is true.
The wealth of the church confirms that it is true.
We contributed more to Prop 8 than any other organization - the church is true!
etc. etc. etc.
 
And if they happen to find an area that they can't figure out a way to show they are the best at, they use this strategy:
 
We have suffered more, so the church is true.
We are persecuted more, so the church is true.
People hate Mormons, so the church is true.
 
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Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
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Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
 WHOA! I had no idea! 
 
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I believe that Mormonism has an inferiority complex, and so over compensate by trying and believing that Mormons are the best at everything!
 
Famous people confirm the church is true.
Olympic athletes confirm the church is true.
The wealth of the church confirms that it is true.
We contributed more to Prop 8 than any other organization - the church is true!
etc. etc. etc.
 
And if they happen to find an area that they can't figure out a way to show they are the best at, they use this strategy:
 
We have suffered more, so the church is true.
We are persecuted more, so the church is true.
People hate Mormons, so the church is true.
 
Everything and anything confirm the church is true.  But they especially like the extremes.
 You're absolutely right about the inferiority complex.  In the '80's, when Michael Jackson was so popular, the JW's had a huge surge in membership.  As a missionary, we often got the question about were there any famous Mormons aside from the Osmonds.  That was before Sister Gladys Knight, Survivor, The Real World, and all those Dancing With the Stars and American Idol contestants.  Canadians only knew Junior Ah You, who played for the Concordes for awhile, and it was common knowledge Randy Bachman was LDS.  
 
Having famous people as members of your church legitimizes you.  Or something.  I never could figure that out.  
 
It also may be the Mormons' desire to prove "we're not really freaks!"
 
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Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
^The Famous Mormons site lists them all and then some.
 
And yes having famous people in your religion absolutely validates it.. Didn't you all KNOW that?? I mean you all should become Muslim immediately.. We have Cat Stevens.. how cool is that? Er.. um.....kindlly overlook Osama Bin Laden and all the pesky terrorists, and of course the most sinister of them all... Michael Jackson.
 
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Cooper:
Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
^The Famous Mormons site lists them all and then some.
 
And yes having famous people in your religion absolutely validates it.. Didn't you all KNOW that?? I mean you all should become Muslim immediately.. We have Cat Stevens.. how cool is that? Er.. um.....kindlly overlook Osama Bin Laden and all the pesky terrorists, and of course the most sinister of them all... Michael Jackson.
 
Seriously though, I'm always interested to learn if someone famous is a Mormon.
 
Gary Gilmore came from a long line of Mormon heritage....in 1977, he was the first man executed in the US, after Capitol punishment was suspended by the Supreme Court in 1972.
 
I don't know if Gary was actually a Mormon or not. His mother was, but married outside of the church to a drunken, con man.
 
Gilmore's brother Mikyl wrote Shot in the Heart. It is a good book with a lot of info about blood attonement and the Danites.
 
On a side note.....
I was never really impressed by the fact that certain people were Mormon. I figured if I only concentrated on those people, think of all the really wonderful people outside of the Morg that I would miss out on. Including my current husband, who is one of the finest people I have ever met. He is a good man, with a good heart, a hard working honest man, who treats me with all the love, respect and equality that I never had in my Ultra Mo temple marriage.
 
Even while I was involved in the church, I had decided that if I met a man who was not a Mo I would give him a chance because I wasn't all the impressed with most of the Morg men that I knew.
 
 


   


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Cooper:
Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
^The Famous Mormons site lists them all and then some.
 
And yes having famous people in your religion absolutely validates it.. Didn't you all KNOW that?? I mean you all should become Muslim immediately.. We have Cat Stevens.. how cool is that? Er.. um.....kindlly overlook Osama Bin Laden and all the pesky terrorists, and of course the most sinister of them all... Michael Jackson.
 
Seriously though, I'm always interested to learn if someone famous is a Mormon.
 
Gary Gilmore came from a long line of Mormon heritage....in 1977, he was the first man executed in the US, after Capitol punishment was suspended by the Supreme Court in 1972.
 
I don't know if Gary was actually a Mormon or not. His mother was, but married outside of the church to a drunken, con man.
 
Gilmore's brother Mikyl wrote Shot in the Heart. It is a good book with a lot of info about blood attonement and the Danites.
 
On a side note.....
I was never really impressed by the fact that certain people were Mormon. I figured if I only concentrated on those people, think of all the really wonderful people outside of the Morg that I would miss out on. Including my current husband, who is one of the finest people I have ever met. He is a good man, with a good heart, a hard working honest man, who treats me with all the love, respect and equality that I never had in my Ultra Mo temple marriage.
 
Even while I was involved in the church, I had decided that if I met a man who was not a Mo I would give him a chance because I wasn't all the impressed with most of the Morg men that I knew.
 
 
Gary Gilmore recieved Catholic last rites from the priest who accompanied him to his execution. I was taking an Italian class from the priest at the time and he mentioned it to the class, so I would assume that Gilmore wasn't active or that he wasn't a Mormon at all.
 
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TattooMe:
Anaar:
Cooper:
Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
^The Famous Mormons site lists them all and then some.
 
And yes having famous people in your religion absolutely validates it.. Didn't you all KNOW that?? I mean you all should become Muslim immediately.. We have Cat Stevens.. how cool is that? Er.. um.....kindlly overlook Osama Bin Laden and all the pesky terrorists, and of course the most sinister of them all... Michael Jackson.
 
Seriously though, I'm always interested to learn if someone famous is a Mormon.
 
Gary Gilmore came from a long line of Mormon heritage....in 1977, he was the first man executed in the US, after Capitol punishment was suspended by the Supreme Court in 1972.
 
I don't know if Gary was actually a Mormon or not. His mother was, but married outside of the church to a drunken, con man.
 
Gilmore's brother Mikyl wrote Shot in the Heart. It is a good book with a lot of info about blood attonement and the Danites.
 
On a side note.....
I was never really impressed by the fact that certain people were Mormon. I figured if I only concentrated on those people, think of all the really wonderful people outside of the Morg that I would miss out on. Including my current husband, who is one of the finest people I have ever met. He is a good man, with a good heart, a hard working honest man, who treats me with all the love, respect and equality that I never had in my Ultra Mo temple marriage.
 
Even while I was involved in the church, I had decided that if I met a man who was not a Mo I would give him a chance because I wasn't all the impressed with most of the Morg men that I knew.
 
 
Gary Gilmore recieved Catholic last rites from the priest who accompanied him to his execution. I was taking an Italian class from the priest at the time and he mentioned it to the class, so I would assume that Gilmore wasn't active or that he wasn't a Mormon at all.
 
I know that his mothers family was Mormon but I wasn't sure about Gary. It's hard to know what was true and what wasn't. His dad's mother told them that their dad was Houdini's illigitimate son and their mother told of witnessing a public hanging when she was a child. Pretty messed up family.
 


   


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athena:
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Cooper:
Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
^The Famous Mormons site lists them all and then some.
 
And yes having famous people in your religion absolutely validates it.. Didn't you all KNOW that?? I mean you all should become Muslim immediately.. We have Cat Stevens.. how cool is that? Er.. um.....kindlly overlook Osama Bin Laden and all the pesky terrorists, and of course the most sinister of them all... Michael Jackson.
 
Seriously though, I'm always interested to learn if someone famous is a Mormon.
 
Gary Gilmore came from a long line of Mormon heritage....in 1977, he was the first man executed in the US, after Capitol punishment was suspended by the Supreme Court in 1972.
 
I don't know if Gary was actually a Mormon or not. His mother was, but married outside of the church to a drunken, con man.
 
Gilmore's brother Mikyl wrote Shot in the Heart. It is a good book with a lot of info about blood attonement and the Danites.
 
On a side note.....
I was never really impressed by the fact that certain people were Mormon. I figured if I only concentrated on those people, think of all the really wonderful people outside of the Morg that I would miss out on. Including my current husband, who is one of the finest people I have ever met. He is a good man, with a good heart, a hard working honest man, who treats me with all the love, respect and equality that I never had in my Ultra Mo temple marriage.
 
Even while I was involved in the church, I had decided that if I met a man who was not a Mo I would give him a chance because I wasn't all the impressed with most of the Morg men that I knew.
 
 
Gary Gilmore recieved Catholic last rites from the priest who accompanied him to his execution. I was taking an Italian class from the priest at the time and he mentioned it to the class, so I would assume that Gilmore wasn't active or that he wasn't a Mormon at all.
 
I know that his mothers family was Mormon but I wasn't sure about Gary. It's hard to know what was true and what wasn't. His dad's mother told them that their dad was Houdini's illigitimate son and their mother told of witnessing a public hanging when she was a child. Pretty messed up family.
 
I don't know anything about his religious beliefs other than he chose a priest to be with him when he died. I remember they made a movie about it and it priest played himself.I don't know if he had been baptized or had any Mormon training.
 
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I just realized, my last comment may sound like something a troll would ask...but I was seriously wondering (not being sarcastic as it may appear)...I personally wish the former Mormon scientists who found the DNA evidence that shows where Native Americans descend from, ought to be famous...The fact that native DNA tests dont get more media attention makes me wonder...is the media afraid to disprove the BOM? Maybe they get a lot of money from the SCC to keep their collective mouths shut... 

   


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I just realized, my last comment may sound like something a troll would ask...but I was seriously wondering (not being sarcastic as it may appear)...I personally wish the former Mormon scientists who found the DNA evidence that shows where Native Americans descend from, ought to be famous...The fact that native DNA tests dont get more media attention makes me wonder...is the media afraid to disprove the BOM? Maybe they get a lot of money from the SCC to keep their collective mouths shut...
 
Was it a Mo scientist who discovered that? I'm only familiar with Southerton who, as a scientist, found the evidence irrefutable and ended up leaving the church because of it. But I had thought the studies were by non-Mos. Certainly if that was done originally by a Mo, they deserve a medal for their integrity.
 
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I just realized, my last comment may sound like something a troll would ask...but I was seriously wondering (not being sarcastic as it may appear)...I personally wish the former Mormon scientists who found the DNA evidence that shows where Native Americans descend from, ought to be famous...The fact that native DNA tests dont get more media attention makes me wonder...is the media afraid to disprove the BOM? Maybe they get a lot of money from the SCC to keep their collective mouths shut...
 
Was it a Mo scientist who discovered that? I'm only familiar with Southerton who, as a scientist, found the evidence irrefutable and ended up leaving the church because of it. But I had thought the studies were by non-Mos. Certainly if that was done originally by a Mo, they deserve a medal for their integrity.
 
Maybe it was'nt a Mormon who was over the tests, but they were involved, and they looked so conflicted on the Youtube video where they discussed the results...They appeared to be on the verge of tears while talking about it...
 


   


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Gary Gilmore recieved Catholic last rites from the priest who accompanied him to his execution. I was taking an Italian class from the priest at the time and he mentioned it to the class, so I would assume that Gilmore wasn't active or that he wasn't a Mormon at all.
 
 
I'm sure he's been necro-dunked by now.  As for the original question, Jesus was a Jew, but the Jews don't seem to be thrilled about it.
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The Scientologists do this same thing....Tom Cruise, anybody?
 
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I believe that Mormonism has an inferiority complex, and so over compensate by trying and believing that Mormons are the best at everything!
 
Famous people confirm the church is true.
Olympic athletes confirm the church is true.
The wealth of the church confirms that it is true.
We contributed more to Prop 8 than any other organization - the church is true!
etc. etc. etc.
 
And if they happen to find an area that they can't figure out a way to show they are the best at, they use this strategy:
 
We have suffered more, so the church is true.
We are persecuted more, so the church is true.
People hate Mormons, so the church is true.
 
Everything and anything confirm the church is true.  But they especially like the extremes.
 
 I think exactly the same thing.  Steve Young with a super bowl vicotory and in the NFL Hall of Fame concludes that the church is true.
 
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Cooper:
Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
 I dunno about the two other fellas, but I'm about 60% sure that Ted Bundy was not a mormon. According to the Wikipedia site, he was an active Methodist in his youth, but not other mention of a later conversion or anything suggests or supports the idea that he was a mormon. Just because someone lived in Utah does not mean they automatically drank the Kool Aid and just couldn't resist joining the church.
 
Same goes for Alice Cooper or Mick Jagger. Neither one sat on a jet with a GA and decided his rock and roll lifestyle was all wrong and he must simply join The Church.
 
It's all nonsense/appeal to authority type of logic, which is to say... it's not logical at all.
 
Let me know what evidence you find that Ted Bundy really was actually a mormon, even if only for five minutes. I don't buy it for one second.  
 
Oh, and Matt Stone and Trey Parker are not mormons either. Matt Stone just grew up around a lot of mormons so their knowlege is circumstantial. They are the only brilliant comedy writers who seem to be aware that mormonism is rife with comedy gold just waiting to be mined. Aside from our own Peter_Mary, of course, who has already plundered several really great mormon funnies. 
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 Randy Bachman...
 
 Define "famous."
 
I mean, I know who Randy Bachman is, but I'm an audiophile and am very much into music. I bet I could throw a rock and hit someone who has never heard of him. 
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Nothing like a bit of selective memory on the part of TBMs. They seem to overlook Mormons such as Ted Bundy, Arthur Gary Bishop, and Glenn Taylor Helzer. Quite the string of serial killers.
 
 I dunno about the two other fellas, but I'm about 60% sure that Ted Bundy was not a mormon. According to the Wikipedia site, he was an active Methodist in his youth, but not other mention of a later conversion or anything suggests or supports the idea that he was a mormon. Just because someone lived in Utah does not mean they automatically drank the Kool Aid and just couldn't resist joining the church.
 
Same goes for Alice Cooper or Mick Jagger. Neither one sat on a jet with a GA and decided his rock and roll lifestyle was all wrong and he must simply join The Church.
 
It's all nonsense/appeal to authority type of logic, which is to say... it's not logical at all.
 
Let me know what evidence you find that Ted Bundy really was actually a mormon, even if only for five minutes. I don't buy it for one second.  
 
Oh, and Matt Stone and Trey Parker are not mormons either. Matt Stone just grew up around a lot of mormons so their knowlege is circumstantial. They are the only brilliant comedy writers who seem to be aware that mormonism is rife with comedy gold just waiting to be mined. Aside from our own Peter_Mary, of course, who has already plundered several really great mormon funnies. 
 
I read that Bundy was baptized while he lived in Utah. His girl friend in Washington was Mormon. He did it partly to please her and partly to fit in.In Utah being a Mormon is an advantage and Bundy was an opportunist.He never actually lived a Mormon life.As a predator, perhaps he thought that being a clean-cut Mormon law student would help deflect suspicion from him. It was part of his Utah image.
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Maybe we should start a web site of infamous Mormons!
 
P.S. Alice Cooper is "sort of Mormon" in a loose sense:  His grandfather was an apostle in the Bickertonite Church (a splinter Mormon church based in Pittsburgh, PA). 


   


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I read that Bundy was baptized while he lived in Utah. His girl friend in Washington was Mormon. He did it partly to please her and partly to fit in.In Utah being a Mormon is an advantage and Bundy was an opportunist.He never actually lived a Mormon life.As a predator, perhaps he thought that being a clean-cut Mormon law student would help deflect suspicion from him. It was part of his Utah image.
 
It's entirely possible, but my burning question is where did you read that? Ann Rule did extensive research on the guy and knew him, so if you read it in her book, then I will accept this as fact, stand corrected, and acknowledge that I don't actually know everything.  Otherwise, I'd be interested in knowing what your source is, if you remember. (I never remember where I read things...)
 
I've seen him noted as a mormon on the interwebs before, too, so I'm not too sure what info out there is credible and what is, well, wishful thinking, I guess.  I have a passing fascination with Bundy myself because I live in one of the cities where he did some killin'.
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I think I read it in Ann Rule's book, but I could be wrong since I read it years ago. I've read other books about him and, since I live in Utah, there was plenty written locally about him at the time of his arrest, trials and execution. I'm not absolutely sure of my source, but I'm pretty sure he joined. I know he met with some bishop when he was investigating. The bishop invited him to dinner where Bundy complimented his teen-aged daughter on her beautiful long, dark hair. The man was totally freaked out when Bundy was charged with raping and killing all those girls who had long dark hair. If I have a chance, I'll  try to locate Rule's book and see if that was where I read it.
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The mormon grapevine also get excited about any celebrity who just LIVES in Utah.  Choosing Utah is oh so close to being Mormon.  It's probably just a matter of time.
 
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 Randy Bachman...
 
 Define "famous."
 
I mean, I know who Randy Bachman is, but I'm an audiophile and am very much into music. I bet I could throw a rock and hit someone who has never heard of him. 
 
30 years ago maybe.  Tal would probably be more "famous" but still a bit past his "famous" prime.  My guess, though, is that we can claim about half of the people on the "famous mormons" site.  I mean, do you really think that Sister Heigl pays her 10%?
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I think I read it in Ann Rule's book, but I could be wrong since I read it years ago. I've read other books about him and, since I live in Utah, there was plenty written locally about him at the time of his arrest, trials and execution. I'm not absolutely sure of my source, but I'm pretty sure he joined. I know he met with some bishop when he was investigating. The bishop invited him to dinner where Bundy complimented his teen-aged daughter on her beautiful long, dark hair. The man was totally freaked out when Bundy was charged with raping and killing all those girls who had long dark hair. If I have a chance, I'll  try to locate Rule's book and see if that was where I read it.
 
I forgot about the recanted Ted Bundy encounters circulating around the LDS functions after his final arrest was made.  Yes, I actually knew a girl whom almost left a dance with that creepy killer.  The nearly overt pressure excised on long dark haired young women, targeted by him, was sure to have happened in and around Provo, Utah.
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...I live in one of the cities where he did some killin'.
 
He dumped one of the bodies behind my Ward house, when I was a kid.  Pretty creepy.
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D. B. Cooper.
 
There is a book written by the FBI guy who did extensive investigation into the D.B. Cooper case and claims emphatically that it is one Richard McCoy.  The name of the book "The Real McCoy".  
 
For any of those that are that old or recall, he is the guy who hijacked an airplane with a bunch of money and bailed out over Provo, Ut.  The FBI nabbed him after a few days along with the money.  I believe the headlines were:  "Mormon Sunday School Teacher HiJacks Airplain".  
 
Anyway, he was convicted and got killed some years later after escaping prison.  At the time he was a BYU student and Sunday School teacher.
 
Does that qualify for famous mormon?
 
 
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D. B. Cooper.
 
There is a book written by the FBI guy who did extensive investigation into the D.B. Cooper case and claims emphatically that it is one Richard McCoy.  The name of the book "The Real McCoy".  
 
For any of those that are that old or recall, he is the guy who hijacked an airplane with a bunch of money and bailed out over Provo, Ut.  The FBI nabbed him after a few days along with the money.  I believe the headlines were:  "Mormon Sunday School Teacher HiJacks Airplain".  
 
Anyway, he was convicted and got killed some years later after escaping prison.  At the time he was a BYU student and Sunday School teacher.
 
Does that qualify for famous mormon?
 
 
He was pretty famous of a little while.  Of course, the legend of DB Cooper lives on.
 
 
Although the Cooper/McCoy connection is tantalizing, it has never been conclusively proven that they are one and the same person...
 
I'd like to think that D. B. is still around.  It makes for a good story...
 
To answer the question, hell yeah, Mc Coy is a famous mormon, let us not forget...
 
 
 
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Posted: 13 June 2008 01:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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As I was driving through Detroit today, I heard an ad for Gladys Knight who will be singing at the Caesar's Windsor Casino in the near future. There was an addendum to the ad which stated attendees must be 19 or older to attend.
Hold on! I know I've been couseled to stay clear of casinos, but Sister Knight can perform at one? Didn't anyone counsel her not to for fear of PR damage to the tscc? Just curious
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Posted: 13 June 2008 01:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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As I was driving through Detroit today, I heard an ad for Gladys Knight who will be singing at the Caesar's Windsor Casino in the near future. There was an addendum to the ad which stated attendees must be 19 or older to attend.
Hold on! I know I've been couseled to stay clear of casinos, but Sister Knight can perform at one? Didn't anyone counsel her not to for fear of PR damage to the tscc? Just curious

I think they are allowed to leave the magic underwear at home sometimes, and also they can play football on sundays. I cant think of any other privileges.
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Posted: 13 June 2008 01:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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While i cant answer your question with proof it does seem to hold valid.  I remember seeing Danny White in Lubbock one time.  There was a lot of star quality to that production. 
 
Have I not seen Steve Young in some weird beer commercial?
 
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  I would think Gladys is just doing her job in the business she is in. I would think she loves what she is doing and she has been doing is for a few decades.
  She is an entertainer by trade. I think she is a smart business women and would take the bookings she can get. That is after all her livelihood.
   It would be pretty sad for her if she had to compromise who she is as the entertainer that she has developed for over 25 to 30 plus years don't you think?
  If I lived in the area I would buy a ticket to go see her and I would enjoy the entertainment she has to offer. And don't you think that would be an evening to remember?
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I'm new, but if I may, I'd like to add something to this discussion.
 
We once asked why it was ok for Steve Young to play football on Sundays and were told "Because it is how he makes his living. He is contracted to play. No Sundays means no football." When we pointed out that he could also just go be a lawyer so he could have his Sundays for Church only we were met with stoney silence....which got stonier when dh suggested that him being a lawyer wouldn't bring the church nearly as much money.
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Posted: 13 June 2008 11:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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Right, it IS her trade and profession, that I don't argue. But, the whole point of membership is sacrifice. I often work Sundays, much to the local leaderships' concern that I would fall away and apostasize (which I did, just not because I worked the Lord's day).
"Normal" members are placed under a lot of restrictions that celebs don't seem to require. Another item in the "We're all equal in the Lord's eyes, but not ours" crap.
As for the avatar, I think it's from one of the Ace Ventura movies. I like it 'cause it's my happy dance for getting free.
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Posted: 13 June 2008 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]   

   
 
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I don't recall seeing any evidence of magical underwear on Marie Osmond when she took a header on Dancing With the Marginally Noteworthy last season.  Perhaps that's the real reason she fainted - No Power Panties to protect her from hypoglycemia.
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SARCOL:

 
I think they are allowed to leave the magic underwear at home sometimes, and also they can play football on sundays. I cant think of any other privileges.
 You mean like opting out of missions?
 
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They are more equal.  Nothing else to see here , move along!!!
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Cash, er, Tithing Cow = Spiritual Privilege...
 
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Speaking of celebs, I'm sure you guys recall those occasional rumors  that go around the Mormondom about this or that celebrity being a member.  I remember hearing when i was a kid that Alice Cooper was a Mormon, as well as Frank Zappa (neither are nor ever have been).
 
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camhead:
Speaking of celebs, I'm sure you guys recall those occasional rumors  that go around the Mormondom about this or that celebrity being a member.  I remember hearing when i was a kid that Alice Cooper was a Mormon, as well as Frank Zappa (neither are nor ever have been).
 
Anyone else? 
 
 Steve Martin and Fay Wray
 
 
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camhead:
Speaking of celebs, I'm sure you guys recall those occasional rumors  that go around the Mormondom about this or that celebrity being a member.  I remember hearing when i was a kid that Alice Cooper was a Mormon, as well as Frank Zappa (neither are nor ever have been).
 
Anyone else? 
 
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One of my past regrets for listening to the "counsel" of a bishop was when I was offered a Sunday jazz brunch gig, a "steady" (it lasted a year for the fellas who took it) and the bishop counseled me not to take it, so I didn't. (When the bishop speaks, the thinking has been done). I was in college at the time, with 2 young children and a stay at home wife...we were doing the Mormon thing all the way, baby. I was so freakin' gullible! (Ultimately a few years later, I think I heard "So, don't you find it difficult to be a member of the church and a professional musician?" one too many times) I guess it was ok for Steve to play football on Sunday and for Gladys to sing in a casino, but not ok for lil' ol' me to work that brunch when we really needed the bread. A**H*L*S! Hey, I think I'm still angry about it, huh?
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camhead:
Speaking of celebs, I'm sure you guys recall those occasional rumors  that go around the Mormondom about this or that celebrity being a member.  I remember hearing when i was a kid that Alice Cooper was a Mormon, as well as Frank Zappa (neither are nor ever have been).
 
Anyone else? 
 
 I never heard Zappa, but the Alice Cooper one is because his father was a member of an LDS breakaway group. I think by the time Alice (Vincent Furnier) was born, his dad had left and became a minister for his own congregation. His dad's name? Ether Moroni Furnier.


   


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JazzDaddy-o:
One of my past regrets for listening to the "counsel" of a bishop was when I was offered a Sunday jazz brunch gig, a "steady" (it lasted a year for the fellas who took it) and the bishop counseled me not to take it, so I didn't. (When the bishop speaks, the thinking has been done). I was in college at the time, with 2 young children and a stay at home wife...we were doing the Mormon thing all the way, baby. I was so freakin' gullible! (Ultimately a few years later, I think I heard "So, don't you find it difficult to be a member of the church and a professional musician?" one too many times) I guess it was ok for Steve to play football on Sunday and for Gladys to sing in a casino, but not ok for lil' ol' me to work that brunch when we really needed the bread. A**H*L*S! Hey, I think I'm still angry about it, huh?
 
 hehe.  When my father still went to church, he definitely got some looks from people, as he was a professional musician, and would frequently get home from playing a bar gig at 3am on saturday, then get up and go to church the next morning.  He also occasionally played organ for meetings, and would always throw jazz substitution chords into the hyms.  funny.
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WHAT?  No work on Sunday?  What church did you guys belong to?  I know that usually Sunday was the busiest day of the week.  Meetings, prepare lessons, give lessons, more meetings, home teach, planning meetings, meetings to plan meetings.  The people that worked a real job on Sunday's have it easy. 
 
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Back to the actual topic, I think there is a deference paid to celebrities and wealthy/successful people in general. For example, some in the church feel the benefit of a high profile celebrity like Steve Young being LDS and on TV every week is part of the greater good. I know that Alan Osmond was told by SWK himself that he was reaching more people as part of the Osmond Bros. than he ever could as a missionary.
 
A couple of years back, I heard Howard Stern interviewing Ricky Schroeder about his conversion to Mormonism. Howard was going bananas over the garments. He was asking him about masturbating and how mormons can't do it and Schroeder said, "I never heard that!" He seemed genuinely confused by it.
 
In a smaller setting, I was in a ward in which one of the members was on the road for his job pretty much every week. His wife and kids were always at church, but he probably was only in town one or two weeks out of the month. He was high profile and everyone knew he traveled for work. I never heard anyone say, "What's the deal with Brother Neverhere?" By contrast, I went on a vacation and was gone a couple of weeks once. When I returned I got the "approach." You know what I mean, right? The EQP comes up with an exaggerated look of love and said, "I'm so glad to see you here!." So yeah, high profile people are treated differently.
 
 


   


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Zim:
Back to the actual topic, I think there is a deference paid to celebrities and wealthy/successful people in general. For example, some in the church feel the benefit of a high profile celebrity like Steve Young being LDS and on TV every week is part of the greater good. I know that Alan Osmond was told by SWK himself that he was reaching more people as part of the Osmond Bros. than he ever could as a missionary.
 
A couple of years back, I heard Howard Stern interviewing Ricky Schroeder about his conversion to Mormonism. Howard was going bananas over the garments. He was asking him about masturbating and how mormons can't do it and Schroeder said, "I never heard that!" He seemed genuinely confused by it.
 
In a smaller setting, I was in a ward in which one of the members was on the road for his job pretty much every week. His wife and kids were always at church, but he probably was only in town one or two weeks out of the month. He was high profile and everyone knew he traveled for work. I never heard anyone say, "What's the deal with Brother Neverhere?" By contrast, I went on a vacation and was gone a couple of weeks once. When I returned I got the "approach." You know what I mean, right? The EQP comes up with an exaggerated look of love and said, "I'm so glad to see you here!." So yeah, high profile people are treated differently.
 
 
 
I didn't know Ricky was a member.  I thought he just married one.  I used to have THE biggest crush on Danny White.  Looking back - I think it was cuz he was the only decent looking mormon.  Besides Nephi, of course.  
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He also occasionally played organ for meetings, and would always throw jazz substitution chords into the hyms.  funny.
 
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camhead:
Speaking of celebs, I'm sure you guys recall those occasional rumors  that go around the Mormondom about this or that celebrity being a member.  I remember hearing when i was a kid that Alice Cooper was a Mormon, as well as Frank Zappa (neither are nor ever have been).
 
Anyone else? 
 
 I had heard that, I think, Stokely Carmichael (70's civil rights activist and member, perhaps founder, of the Black Panthers) had joined TSCC at some point.  Also, I believe David Gates (Bread) was an inactive member at the height of his popularity.  Any insight into these?
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JazzDaddy-o:
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He also occasionally played organ for meetings, and would always throw jazz substitution chords into the hyms.  funny.
 
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I've heard that lots of jazz musicians play "the organ."
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He also occasionally played organ for meetings, and would always throw jazz substitution chords into the hyms.  funny.
 
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I've heard that lots of jazz musicians play "the organ."
 
 Yeah.  The trick is not to overplay and run out of notes.
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JazzDaddy-o:
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He also occasionally played organ for meetings, and would always throw jazz substitution chords into the hyms.  funny.
 
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I've heard that lots of jazz musicians play "the organ."
 
 Yeah.  The trick is not to overplay and run out of notes.
 
I hear that you can get organ enlargers for that...
 
 
 
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Posted: 13 June 2008 05:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]   

   
 
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He also occasionally played organ for meetings, and would always throw jazz substitution chords into the hyms.  funny.
 
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I've heard that lots of jazz musicians play "the organ."
 
 Yeah.  The trick is not to overplay and run out of notes.
 
I hear that you can get organ enlargers for that...
 
 
 
 
As long as you don't get to organ failure.  And if you're a horn man, you have to take steps to prevent saliva buildup in the tubes.
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I had a friend whose son was offered a position on the Kansas City Royals (I think) baseball team during his first year of college.  He was told to turn it down by his bishop so he could go on a mission and was promised that after he served the Lord on his mission another great opportunity would come for him.  So he sadly turned it down.  Needless to say when he got back from his mission he ended going to work at an auto body shop and never had his dream fulfilled.
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Posted: 13 June 2008 06:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]   

   
 
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I had a friend whose son was offered a position on the Kansas City Royals (I think) baseball team during his first year of college.  He was told to turn it down by his bishop so he could go on a mission and was promised that after he served the Lord on his mission another great opportunity would come for him.  So he sadly turned it down.  Needless to say when he got back from his mission he ended going to work at an auto body shop and never had his dream fulfilled.
 
I'm curious, did he end up "going inactive" after his mission?  If he did, he not only lost out on a baseball career, but lost out on what he gave up the career for (I'm not sure that counts as English, but I think you know what I mean).
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I had a friend whose son was offered a position on the Kansas City Royals (I think) baseball team during his first year of college.  He was told to turn it down by his bishop so he could go on a mission and was promised that after he served the Lord on his mission another great opportunity would come for him.  So he sadly turned it down.  Needless to say when he got back from his mission he ended going to work at an auto body shop and never had his dream fulfilled.
 
I'm curious, did he end up "going inactive" after his mission?  If he did, he not only lost out on a baseball career, but lost out on what he gave up the career for (I'm not sure that counts as English, but I think you know what I mean).
 
In honor of "National Hijack Thread Day"....
 
"going inactive"....what most husbands say about their sex life.
 
Now back to the scheduled topic....
 
There was a Mormon legend pertaining to an Air Force Captain residing in our ward.  The story was that he was accepted into the Air Force Academy but was going to turn down his acceptance so he could go on his mission.  The Air Force apparently agreed to keep his spot open so when he returned, he could attend.  This story of doing what is right was spoken of with great reverance when anyone talked about going on a mission. 


   


Posted: 13 June 2008 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]   

   
 
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I had a friend whose son was offered a position on the Kansas City Royals (I think) baseball team during his first year of college.  He was told to turn it down by his bishop so he could go on a mission and was promised that after he served the Lord on his mission another great opportunity would come for him.  So he sadly turned it down.  Needless to say when he got back from his mission he ended going to work at an auto body shop and never had his dream fulfilled.
 
I'm curious, did he end up "going inactive" after his mission?  If he did, he not only lost out on a baseball career, but lost out on what he gave up the career for (I'm not sure that counts as English, but I think you know what I mean).
 
In honor of "National Hijack Thread Day"....
 
"going inactive"....what most husbands say about their sex life.
 
Now back to the scheduled topic....
 
There was a Mormon legend pertaining to an Air Force Captain residing in our ward.  The story was that he was accepted into the Air Force Academy but was going to turn down his acceptance so he could go on his mission.  The Air Force apparently agreed to keep his spot open so when he returned, he could attend.  This story of doing what is right was spoken of with great reverance when anyone talked about going on a mission. 
 
Wow, going on a mission and going into the Air Force.  He got screwed twice.
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Posted: 13 June 2008 06:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]   

   
 
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I had a friend whose son was offered a position on the Kansas City Royals (I think) baseball team during his first year of college.  He was told to turn it down by his bishop so he could go on a mission and was promised that after he served the Lord on his mission another great opportunity would come for him.  So he sadly turned it down.  Needless to say when he got back from his mission he ended going to work at an auto body shop and never had his dream fulfilled.
 
That's so sad. I think Katherine Heigl was a member once, no?
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"IF" your bishop found out you had been dancing and singing on stage with mostly naked women on a regular basis.  Literally night after night, I would imagine you would have to turn your temple recommend over to him.  Just thinking out loud here.

But it seems that Donny Osmand, (Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat) can do it for years and  he is still the poster boy of Mormon Celebrities.

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Posted: 13 June 2008 07:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]   

   
 
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I had a friend whose son was offered a position on the Kansas City Royals (I think) baseball team during his first year of college.  He was told to turn it down by his bishop so he could go on a mission and was promised that after he served the Lord on his mission another great opportunity would come for him.  So he sadly turned it down.  Needless to say when he got back from his mission he ended going to work at an auto body shop and never had his dream fulfilled.
 
I'm curious, did he end up "going inactive" after his mission?  If he did, he not only lost out on a baseball career, but lost out on what he gave up the career for (I'm not sure that counts as English, but I think you know what I mean).
I haven't kept in contact so I don't know if he ended up inactive.  His mom used to be my best friend, but when we moved and then resigned it sortof ended the friendship.  
 
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There was a Mormon legend pertaining to an Air Force Captain residing in our ward.  The story was that he was accepted into the Air Force Academy but was going to turn down his acceptance so he could go on his mission.  The Air Force apparently agreed to keep his spot open so when he returned, he could attend.  This story of doing what is right was spoken of with great reverance when anyone talked about going on a mission. 
 
I actually served with an elder on my mission who was in the same situation.  He had been accepted to West Point, but wanted to serve a mission first, so they did keep his spot open.  He and his companion got permission to travel to Oslo, Norway (we were in Sweden) to get an official military health exam somewhere there, just before he went home.  His story was used frequently as a prime example of sacrifice and reward throughout the mission.  I'm sure it still is.
 
 
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  I would think Gladys is just doing her job in the business she is in. I would think she loves what she is doing and she has been doing is for a few decades.
  She is an entertainer by trade. I think she is a smart business women and would take the bookings she can get. That is after all her livelihood.
   It would be pretty sad for her if she had to compromise who she is as the entertainer that she has developed for over 25 to 30 plus years don't you think?
  If I lived in the area I would buy a ticket to go see her and I would enjoy the entertainment she has to offer. And don't you think that would be an evening to remember?
 
 Mysticmamma, I am with ya. 
 
It would be sad for Gadys  to have to compromise her career on account joining the morg.  I think it is sad when anybody has to compromise important aspects of their lives upon joining the morg but the church makes them do it.  I play music locally and it is an important part of my life.    If I were to return to church, couldn't get a TR unless I gave up playing in bars.  Even if I got gigs outside of bars, music would not be an excuse to ditch the Gs.   The fact that I don't get rich off music and I am not famous doesn't mean it wouldn't be a huge sacrifice to give that up.  Music is only partly about money and fame. 
 
Fortunately for me, it is a non issue because I don't want to return to church but the church does present a double standard.  Marie Osmond was clearly not wearing Gs on Dancing with the Stars.  Other mormons don't get a pass on Gs when they go dancing.  Mitt Romney told CNN that he keeps alcohol in the house for when he entertains friends and associates that drink.  Millions of Mormons are forbidden to enter casinos and not given a pass on wearing Gs. Passes are reserved for the rich and famous.
 
  From my perspective, I hope Gladys Knight keeps on rocking and doesn't have to make the compromise.   It would be great if nobody did.
 
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  I would think Gladys is just doing her job in the business she is in. I would think she loves what she is doing and she has been doing is for a few decades.
  She is an entertainer by trade. I think she is a smart business women and would take the bookings she can get. That is after all her livelihood.
   It would be pretty sad for her if she had to compromise who she is as the entertainer that she has developed for over 25 to 30 plus years don't you think?
  If I lived in the area I would buy a ticket to go see her and I would enjoy the entertainment she has to offer. And don't you think that would be an evening to remember?
 
 Mysticmamma, I am with ya. 
 
It would be sad for Gadys  to have to compromise her career on account joining the morg.  I think it is sad when anybody has to compromise important aspects of their lives upon joining the morg but the church makes them do it.  I play music locally and it is an important part of my life.    If I were to return to church, couldn't get a TR unless I gave up playing in bars.  Even if I got gigs outside of bars, music would not be an excuse to ditch the Gs.   The fact that I don't get rich off music and I am not famous doesn't mean it wouldn't be a huge sacrifice to give that up.  Music is only partly about money and fame. 
 
Fortunately for me, it is a non issue because I don't want to return to church but the church does present a double standard.  Marie Osmond was clearly not wearing Gs on Dancing with the Stars.  Other mormons don't get a pass on Gs when they go dancing.  Mitt Romney told CNN that he keeps alcohol in the house for when he entertains friends and associates that drink.  Millions of Mormons are forbidden to enter casinos and not given a pass on wearing Gs. Passes are reserved for the rich and famous.
 
  From my perspective, I hope Gladys Knight keeps on rocking and doesn't have to make the compromise.   It would be great if nobody did.
 
Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. If little 'ole me is required to sit out on some of life's great parties, then the celebs, wealthy and famously named morgs should sit it out. I'd prefer to go watch Gladys sing.
 
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That's so sad. I think Katherine Heigl was a member once, no?
 
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I'm not sure I understand what people mean by "getting a pass" on wearing garments. I have never had a surprise garment inspection from a church leader. Ever since I went to the temple the first time, I have noticed that not everyone wears them with the same degree of frequency or with the same level of commitment. I have a sister in law who ditches the gs every chance she gets. Even when she does wear them, she folds, tucks and adjusts them so that she can wear the latest fashions. My brother, who went through the temple a couple of years after me, only bought a few pairs of garments and when they were being washed, he just wore regular underwear. 
 
For example, I was instructed in the temple when I was endowed that I shouldn't wear them in places where they were likely to be exposed or subject to ridicule. He used the example of public gyms or pools. I would guess someone like Marie Osmond knew that if she was spinning around on stage (and eventually falling ) then she better leave the garments behind. Even at my most devout, I would have done the same thing.
 
Of course, everyone is at the mercy of their local leadership. It's not inconceivable that Marie's bishop could have called her in afterwards and said, "If you had worn your garments, you wouldn't have passed out!" Come on, we've all met that guy at church. It could happen! 


   


            
 
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Well, I know alot of post-mos love to sleep in on a Sunday morning
right?  It is one of the many "blessings" of being postmo. 
 
I will be in and out all day as I have to go to town..but I had to share this
and check in once in awhile. 
 
At 7:30 this morning, the phone rang and his was my Dad..very TBM..who
knows that I  have been having issues about the church but doesn't know
that I have resigned...
 
He said:  "Vickie...Vickie...hurry quick..turn on channel 11!  You have got
to see this..this woman is a convert to the church and has a very strong
testimony.. !  You will get alot out of what she is talking about..she has
a strong spirit of the gospel". 
 
Okay...I just woke up and said okay Dad...hung up...started my coffee..
Then switched on the TV to see this wonderful convert with a testimony.
 
Gees...I could have woke up to anything except...GLADYS KNIGHT...
This is the same woman my Dad didn't want me to  listen to on the radio
when I was a teen..(he doesn't know the PIPS!)...
 
Anyway, I feel better..I didn't  want to wake up to Gladys Knight and her
testimony...blech...thanks for listening to me...Dad will call later and ask me
what I think...
 
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My Turn:
Well, I know alot of post-mos love to sleep in on a Sunday morning
right?  It is one of the many "blessings" of being postmo. 
 
I will be in and out all day as I have to go to town..but I had to share this
and check in once in awhile. 
 
At 7:30 this morning, the phone rang and his was my Dad..very TBM..who
knows that I  have been having issues about the church but doesn't know
that I have resigned...
 
He said:  "Vickie...Vickie...hurry quick..turn on channel 11!  You have got
to see this..this woman is a convert to the church and has a very strong
testimony.. !  You will get alot out of what she is talking about..she has
a strong spirit of the gospel". 
 
Okay...I just woke up and said okay Dad...hung up...started my coffee..
Then switched on the TV to see this wonderful convert with a testimony.
 
Gees...I could have woke up to anything except...GLADYS KNIGHT...
This is the same woman my Dad didn't want me to  listen to on the radio
when I was a teen..(he doesn't know the PIPS!)...
 
Anyway, I feel better..I didn't  want to wake up to Gladys Knight and her
testimony...blech...thanks for listening to me...Dad will call later and ask me
what I think...
 
(any fun suggestions is very much appreciated)  
 
 Dad! Don't you remember?  She was a music star when I was a teenager and YOU refused to let me listen to her!  Her music is of the DEVIL!!!
 
 
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I saw a little of that too.  The arrangement I heard wouldn't pass SM approriateness.  A little too jazzzzyyy for that.  I wish Gladys knew she was being used and abused by the Morg.  Heck, I wish everyone knew we were being used and abused, just like Gladys, come to think of it.  We get to do it without the spotlight though. 

   


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Well, I know alot of post-mos love to sleep in on a Sunday morning
right?  It is one of the many "blessings" of being postmo. 
 
I will be in and out all day as I have to go to town..but I had to share this
and check in once in awhile. 
 
At 7:30 this morning, the phone rang and his was my Dad..very TBM..who
knows that I  have been having issues about the church but doesn't know
that I have resigned...
 
He said:  "Vickie...Vickie...hurry quick..turn on channel 11!  You have got
to see this..this woman is a convert to the church and has a very strong
testimony.. !  You will get alot out of what she is talking about..she has
a strong spirit of the gospel". 
 
Okay...I just woke up and said okay Dad...hung up...started my coffee..
Then switched on the TV to see this wonderful convert with a testimony.
 
Gees...I could have woke up to anything except...GLADYS KNIGHT...
This is the same woman my Dad didn't want me to  listen to on the radio
when I was a teen..(he doesn't know the PIPS!)...
 
Anyway, I feel better..I didn't  want to wake up to Gladys Knight and her
testimony...blech...thanks for listening to me...Dad will call later and ask me
what I think...

(any fun suggestions is very much appreciated)  
 
I wish! I never know what to say! I tend to walk away with an inward groan.
 
My mom did something like this to me, Vickie. She knows I have issues with how the Church treats women. She came home from -- I think some General Conference -- gushing, "Oh, you should have been there! You would have been so proud! It was so feminist! Gordon B. Hinckley said he was grateful to his daughter for taking care of him in his old age!"
 
Inward groan. Thanks, Gordie. You helped to orchestrate the defeat of ERA ensuring low wages and limited opportunities for at least three more generations of women, but hey! You said thanks to the daughter whose life you have confined. Let's hear it for Gordie B. the great feminist!
 
Maybe you could come up with a clever version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" and sing it to him. "I heard it through the grapevine. No longer is this church mine. Yeah yeah I heard it through the grapevine."
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Posted: 18 May 2008 05:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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Vickie:
My only thought for a "fun" response to Dad would be,
 
"Gee, Dad, she was a real pip."
 
Then, of course, don't explain what you mean by that.
 
Then another response that might be useful could be something to the effect of, "I didn't find it helpful.  I kinda wish you hadn't called me and woken me up," said in as noncombative a way as you can.
 
None of our TBM family members put this kind of pressure on us.  Perhaps that will change some when my son returns from his mission.  On his Christmas phone call he admitted to one of my other sons that he had almost quit the mission and just come home.  Since that time, he has had some kind of major conversion.  I'm worried.
 
I am glad, however, that I don't have to suffer from family pressure, and I feel for you.  I wish I had something to offer other than just a virtual hug, but that's all I've got.
 
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"Seeing that reminded me of the Priesthood Ban. According to Brigham Young, if the Church EVER extended the Priesthood to black men, the church would be in a state of total apostasy and the priesthood would be removed from it immediately.
 
"I was going to call you with that reference, so you could get out of the apostate church and find the organization on earth that now HAS the priesthood. Thanks for reminding me."
 
Then say, "Opps, gotta go" and hang up. 
 
 
 
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Posted: 18 May 2008 05:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]   

   
 
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Oh..I love your responses, how I wish that I had sat down at the computer
before my Dad called the 2nd time..(like why isn't he in SM???)  He called
to tell me that President Monson was on...Uh..I do not know how you guys
that still have TBM's in the house do this!!  I have great appreciation for
what you are going through..
 
I wish that I had looked at your replies first..Love them..I did tell  him that
Gladys was a rock star/jazz star from way back...he didn't let me really
speak...it was just..well..she sure has a testimony...blah..blah..blah..
 
I wish in a way that I would have played along and suggested how Ms.
Knight had come a long ways...that to be so wayward in the pre-existence
that it is amazing that she has come along so well..
 
You know what though??  I would  have given anything if my Dad had called
at any time last Sunday to wish me Happy Mother's Day...
 
I will have to face him someday...but I don't want that to be over the phone.
I have a tendency to say the wrong things and then begin to cry..
 
You guys are amazing...thank you so much for your support and humor....!!
I really needed that..
 
Now..who is this Monson guy???
 
Hugs,  Vickie
 
 
 
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How about
 
"Wow Gladys Knight huh, so does this mean maybe there will be at least one sacrament hymn that doesn't sound like a dirge?"
 
"Ya know, I know how to use the internet.  I'm sure some overzealous Morgbot threw it up on youtube - no need to wake me up on a Sunday"
 
"Dad, we need to discuss boundaries - how does lunch Wednesday sound?"
 
 
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duryen:
How about
 
"Wow Gladys Knight huh, so does this mean maybe there will be at least one sacrament hymn that doesn't sound like a dirge?"
 
"Ya know, I know how to use the internet.  I'm sure some overzealous Morgbot threw it up on youtube - no need to wake me up on a Sunday"
 
"Dad, we need to discuss boundaries - how does lunch Wednesday sound?"
 
 
 
 


   


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Mashiara:
duryen:
How about
 
"Wow Gladys Knight huh, so does this mean maybe there will be at least one sacrament hymn that doesn't sound like a dirge?"
 
"Ya know, I know how to use the internet.  I'm sure some overzealous Morgbot threw it up on youtube - no need to wake me up on a Sunday"
 
"Dad, we need to discuss boundaries - how does lunch Wednesday sound?"
 
 
 
 
 
Oh..good deal...boundaries...boundaries...!!  You guys are great..
I will invite Dad to lunch...all of you show up will ya??
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Vickie, the thing that struck me about that conversation is that your dad seems to know exactly what he's doing.  He is trying to shut you up when you try to speak, which kind of indicates to me he knows he is being inappropriate and maybe pushy too. 
 
After lunch, I would start turning my ringer off and letting your calls go to voice mail on Sunday mornings.  Sheesh, at least I only hear church bells on Sunday morning (but my TBM FIL used to call at 4:30 a.m. so I do know what this is like). 
 
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Just the other day I found this cartoon in 'The New Yorker' and I thought it might fit well in this thread: 

Vick, I'm sorry your dad didn't call you for Mother's Day. I know what it's like to have one-sided conversations with a TBM parent. My dad is like yours in this respect. I never talk about my struggles with him either. When I have in the past, he happily pours out TBM 'advice.' Some things are just better left unsaid because they only fall upon deaf ears. Ironically, one of my dad's favorite quotes is "Don't confuse me with the facts; my mind is made up!"
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Just the other day I found this cartoon in 'The New Yorker' and I thought it might fit well in this thread: 





Vick, I'm sorry your dad didn't call you for Mother's Day. I know what it's like to have one-sided conversations with a TBM parent. My dad is like yours in this respect. I never talk about my struggles with him either. When I have in the past, he happily pours out TBM 'advice.' Some things are just better left unsaid because they only fall upon deaf ears. Ironically, one of my dad's favorite quotes is "Don't confuse me with the facts; my mind is made up!"
 
Love this picture..and..do we have the same Dad?  He doesn't call unless it
has something to do with the church.  There is no "how are you" or anything.
Should a conversation get heavy, he talks over me..it is just no good and
you know, I would love to talk to  him..but I can't handle that.  Hugs and
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Ugh. My dad sent me the glurge/chain e-mail about Snoop Doggy Dogg's conversion to the church. Ole Snoop was supposedly converted by Gladys Knight herself.
 
 
 
I just laughed and thought, "Have you ever even heard of Snoop Doggy Dogg, Dad? You're outta your mind if you think he's converted." No way Snoop's giving up all that fine smoke and p***y, and lopping off his dreds... to become a mormon. 
 
You can do what I do: just thank your dad graciously for the information, roll over, and go back to sleep. Or let the machine pick up his call.  
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You're kidding me right?? Snoop Diggy Dogg?? Converted?? Next Sunday dogzilla, the phone goes off...unplug the damn thing is what I am going to do...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Hey Mom,
 
I have been thinking about this since you called me this morning.  I really hope I don't give up too much personal stuff on the board.  If you think I crossed the line, just let me know and I will delete it, promise.
 
Grandpa has always been the "authority." He has always had issues with control, and even pushed my grandmother (who was a SAINT) down the stairs when she was pregnant with my Mom.  Let me tell you... if it was physically possible for me to have been there at that moment, I would have knocked him the hell out... but that is another topic completely.
 
Thing with Grandpa is that he doesn't listen.  He never has.  I sincerely doubt he ever will.  I even wrote an article for my blog about it, but decided not to publish it because it was too personal.  
 
He won't listen to anything we say because he is a "worthy" priesthood holder and we are just women.  That is why I have been living in the state for a year and he hasn't even picked up the flipping phone.  He won't like what I have to say, he won't. 
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Posted: 19 May 2008 12:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]   

   
 
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You're kidding me right?? Snoop Diggy Dogg?? Converted?? Next Sunday dogzilla, the phone goes off...unplug the damn thing is what I am going to do...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
 Well that's what the e-mail said. I searched Snopes, but I can only assume it's an urban legend/wishful mormon thinking. Just like the story of some GA converting Mick Jagger, or getting him to admit the Rolling Stones' music is designed to draw children to the devilish world of drugs and sex.  Right? 'Cause Snoop Dogg burns fat ones with Gladys Knight and Mick Jagger flies coach. 
 
I don't answer the phone before 8 a.m. or after 9:30 p.m. Unless it's a date/BF/hookup/booty call, or there's been a death in the family. In which case, you have to leave a message and I will call you back. If you can't be bothered to leave a message, I can't be bothered to call you back. My family are used to this and they all probably think I'm a selfish asshole. People without boundaries tend to react to people with boundaries in that way, so I wouldn't sweat it much if I were you. 
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Posted: 19 May 2008 12:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]   

   
 
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You're kidding me right?? Snoop Diggy Dogg?? Converted?? Next Sunday dogzilla, the phone goes off...unplug the damn thing is what I am going to do...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
 Well that's what the e-mail said. I searched Snopes, but I can only assume it's an urban legend/wishful mormon thinking. Just like the story of some GA converting Mick Jagger, or getting him to admit the Rolling Stones' music is designed to draw children to the devilish world of drugs and sex.  Right? 'Cause Snoop Dogg burns fat ones with Gladys Knight and Mick Jagger flies coach. 
 
I don't answer the phone before 8 a.m. or after 9:30 p.m. Unless it's a date/BF/hookup/booty call, or there's been a death in the family. In which case, you have to leave a message and I will call you back. If you can't be bothered to leave a message, I can't be bothered to call you back. My family are used to this and they all probably think I'm a selfish asshole. People without boundaries tend to react to people with boundaries in that way, so I wouldn't sweat it much if I were you. 
 OK. I am GLAD you said that! I am generally thought of us as a nice person. Headstrong, but nice. A mormon acquaintance of mine was telling me how she is having a hard time saying "no". I told her that I don't have a hard time with it. I said that perhaps some would find that bitchy...She jumped in, and said, "At least you are aware of it."
 
Hmmm. I have boundaries. She doesn't. I don't think that makes me a bad person, or selfish. I just know I can't love or take care of others without loving and taking care of myself. Period.
 
Talking about boundaries: A nice mormon boy I work with was really torn when he heard I was moving. The sweetie said he wanted to help me. I moved on his fiancees birthday. When he explained what was giving him "conflict" about it...I literally burst out laughing, and told him that it's a no brainer; he should spend time with his fiancee, not helping a woman at work move. Ummm. Boundaries. That is great! I forgot what it's like to be told you shouldn't have them.  
 


   


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You're kidding me right?? Snoop Diggy Dogg?? Converted?? Next Sunday dogzilla, the phone goes off...unplug the damn thing is what I am going to do...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
 Well that's what the e-mail said. I searched Snopes, but I can only assume it's an urban legend/wishful mormon thinking. Just like the story of some GA converting Mick Jagger, or getting him to admit the Rolling Stones' music is designed to draw children to the devilish world of drugs and sex.  Right? 'Cause Snoop Dogg burns fat ones with Gladys Knight and Mick Jagger flies coach. 
 
I don't answer the phone before 8 a.m. or after 9:30 p.m. Unless it's a date/BF/hookup/booty call, or there's been a death in the family. In which case, you have to leave a message and I will call you back. If you can't be bothered to leave a message, I can't be bothered to call you back. My family are used to this and they all probably think I'm a selfish asshole. People without boundaries tend to react to people with boundaries in that way, so I wouldn't sweat it much if I were you. 
 
 Dogzilla,
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Yes, DogZ is The ONE! I wanna be like her when I grow up. Really!
 
I remember a thread about Snoop here not too long ago and there was a link to an article that confirmed the rumor to be false.
 
If Snoop had really gone over the Other Side, that would be too scary for words!
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Posted: 19 May 2008 12:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]   

   
 
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Mashiara:

 OK. I am GLAD you said that! I am generally thought of us as a nice person. Headstrong, but nice. A mormon acquaintance of mine was telling me how she is having a hard time saying "no". I told her that I don't have a hard time with it. I said that perhaps some would find that bitchy...She jumped in, and said, "At least you are aware of it."
 
Hmmm. I have boundaries. She doesn't. I don't think that makes me a bad person, or selfish. I just know I can't love or take care of others without loving and taking care of myself. Period.
 
Talking about boundaries: A nice mormon boy I work with was really torn when he heard I was moving. The sweetie said he wanted to help me. I moved on his fiancees birthday. When he explained what was giving him "conflict" about it...I literally burst out laughing, and told him that it's a no brainer; he should spend time with his fiancee, not helping a woman at work move. Ummm. Boundaries. That is great! I forgot what it's like to be told you shouldn't have them.  
 
 Sheesh... what a passive-aggressive way to come out and call you a bitch.
 
Ever notice... when a man sets boundaries and stands his ground, he's just a strong person, but when a woman does it, she's a bitch?
 
Boundaries. Having them does not make you a bad person, selfish, or a bitch. But people who do not have them will perceive you that way. That's one of the big fat red flags they throw up... if someone calls you selfish or bitchy, ask yourself "did this person just clue me in that she/he cannot say no and has no boundaries of her own?" This is also indicative of a controlling personality. People who try to control me think I'm a bitch when I won't cooperate and just do what they want me to do. Saying no is perceived as bitchy... unless the person you're saying no to also has some modicum of self-respect and then saying no is just not a big deal.  
 
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 Sheesh... what a passive-aggressive way to come out and call you a bitch.
 
Ever notice... when a man sets boundaries and stands his ground, he's just a strong person, but when a woman does it, she's a bitch?
 
Boundaries. Having them does not make you a bad person, selfish, or a bitch. But people who do not have them will perceive you that way. That's one of the big fat red flags they throw up... if someone calls you selfish or bitchy, ask yourself "did this person just clue me in that she/he cannot say no and has no boundaries of her own?" This is also indicative of a controlling personality. People who try to control me think I'm a bitch when I won't cooperate and just do what they want me to do. Saying no is perceived as bitchy... unless the person you're saying no to also has some modicum of self-respect and then saying no is just not a big deal.  
 
 Ummmm. YES!
 
Given that popular perception, maybe I should change my name...I need a good dog name. 
 
That is probably part of what makes it so easy for Mormons to shake their heads and *tsk tsk* the evil people who leave. When you perceive someone as bitchy, or a jerk, it's easier to not want to "help" them, and "helping" us "poor, lost souls" should be their primary goal, right??? Oh, wait... That is Biblical, and probably not "translated correctly"... I have to remember to keep this stuff straight! 


   


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Hey Mom,
 
I have been thinking about this since you called me this morning.  I really hope I don't give up too much personal stuff on the board.  If you think I crossed the line, just let me know and I will delete it, promise.
 
Grandpa has always been the "authority." He has always had issues with control, and even pushed my grandmother (who was a SAINT) down the stairs when she was pregnant with my Mom.  Let me tell you... if it was physically possible for me to have been there at that moment, I would have knocked him the hell out... but that is another topic completely.
 
Thing with Grandpa is that he doesn't listen.  He never has.  I sincerely doubt he ever will.  I even wrote an article for my blog about it, but decided not to publish it because it was too personal.  
 
He won't listen to anything we say because he is a "worthy" priesthood holder and we are just women.  That is why I have been living in the state for a year and he hasn't even picked up the flipping phone.  He won't like what I have to say, he won't. 
What a very painful, sad sketch of him, WFS. My dad was never like that. I'm so sorry that your grandfather has had such a negative impact on his family.
 
As for Dogzilla's explanation of boundaries and 'bitches', thank you for that, Dog. I already knew that but you really clarified it for me. Mashiara, you too. That whole psychology of reducing someone who doesn't conform to someone's or some group's ideology to a mere label is so unfair.
 
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DoubleX:
Just the other day I found this cartoon in 'The New Yorker' and I thought it might fit well in this thread: 

Vick, I'm sorry your dad didn't call you for Mother's Day. I know what it's like to have one-sided conversations with a TBM parent. My dad is like yours in this respect. I never talk about my struggles with him either. When I have in the past, he happily pours out TBM 'advice.' Some things are just better left unsaid because they only fall upon deaf ears. Ironically, one of my dad's favorite quotes is "Don't confuse me with the facts; my mind is made up!"
 
 My Mother is not a TBM, has NEVER been a TBM.
 
She is a HARD CORE Southern Baptist and she sounds just like the TBM parents on here.
 
I don't hardly ever tell her what is going on in my life, I don't need the lectures or the advice, especially when she doesn't actually pay attention to what I am saying.
 
 
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You know what though??  I would  have given anything if my Dad had called
at any time last Sunday to wish me Happy Mother's Day...
 
 
Hugs,  Vickie
 
 
Dear Vickie:
Obviously I'm not your dad. Mother's Day is passed. I don't know your telephone number. I can't call you, but . . .
Did you know that tomorrow, Monday, May 19, is

VICTORIA DAY?

Well, it is. And, I'm not making that up. It says it right on my calendar,

VICTORIA DAY (Canada)

I think it is wonderful that Canada has set aside an entire day, just to recognize what a Terrific Person you are!
Even though I'm not Canadian, I'm going to celebrate Victoria Day tomorrow, in YOUR HONOR!
Thank you, Vickie. For the support that you have given to me and to others. Thank you, for being the wonderful, vibrant, vital, caring human being that you are.
Hope you have the best

VICTORIA DAY

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You know what though??  I would  have given anything if my Dad had called
at any time last Sunday to wish me Happy Mother's Day...
 
 
Hugs,  Vickie
 
 
Dear Vickie:
Obviously I'm not your dad. Mother's Day is passed. I don't know your telephone number. I can't call you, but . . .
Did you know that tomorrow, Monday, May 19, is
VICTORIA DAY?

Well, it is. And, I'm not making that up. It says it right on my calendar,

VICTORIA DAY (Canada)

I think it is wonderful that Canada has set aside an entire day, just to recognize what a Terrific Person you are!
Even though I'm not Canadian, I'm going to celebrate Victoria Day tomorrow, in YOUR HONOR!
Thank you, Vickie. For the support that you have given to me and to others. Thank you, for being the wonderful, vibrant, vital, caring human being that you are.
Hope you have the best

VICTORIA DAY

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Happy Victoria Day
 
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Wow, what a wonderful surprise to come home from town and find out
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How very sweet and I thank you with a huge lump in my throat,
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Pay-Lay-Ale,
 
Wow, what a wonderful surprise to come home from town and find out
that there is a Victoria Day...yes Santa, there is a Victoria!  
 
How very sweet and I thank you with a huge lump in my throat,
tears in my eyes, and a heart full of gratefullness.
 
You and others here make up for all the little lows in life..thank you..!!
 
Actually, that was Flat Lander, and I was just agreeing with his comments.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I posted this inquiry over at RfM, but I'm not getting much help.  Has anyone been to one of the firesides that Gladys Knight does with her choir? There's one coming up in my area and I love good gospel music, but I don't like missionary activities.  I understand that these firesides are pretty heavy with a "You should join this church" kind of message.  If I attend, will I be glad I did?
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I posted this inquiry over at RfM, but I'm not getting much help.  Has anyone been to one of the firesides that Gladys Knight does with her choir? There's one coming up in my area and I love good gospel music, but I don't like missionary activities.  I understand that these firesides are pretty heavy with a "You should join this church" kind of message.  If I attend, will I be glad I did?
 
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I am post-mo, my wife is still mo. She invited a couple of our non member friends (who are very involved in their baptist church) to this. We went and ended up walking out. My very mormon wife was embarrassed as to how "in your face" it was with missionary work. It was really long too, we stayed for 2 hours and from what I hear it went on for another 45 minutes. From the time we were there it was about 45 minutes music and the rest testimony, and not very good testimony at that. I felt like the message was "it's ok to be black and mormon". It was so bad that my wife, again who is very mormon, apologized to our friends for bringing them to something like that. In my opinion, do not waste your time.
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I am post-mo, my wife is still mo. She invited a couple of our non member friends (who are very involved in their baptist church) to this. We went and ended up walking out. My very mormon wife was embarrassed as to how "in your face" it was with missionary work. It was really long too, we stayed for 2 hours and from what I hear it went on for another 45 minutes. From the time we were there it was about 45 minutes music and the rest testimony, and not very good testimony at that. I felt like the message was "it's ok to be black and mormon". It was so bad that my wife, again who is very mormon, apologized to our friends for bringing them to something like that. In my opinion, do not waste your time.
 Thanks, rgb.  That's the impression I've gotten as I've heard it announced and promoted at church.  My wife is bringing a friend who really enjoys music, but I fear that she will not be too happy with the message.  For myself, I think maybe I'll just listen to the CD.
 
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Does Gladys promote a book, record or does the Stake pay her to do this? hum!!!!
 
I forgot - money is not involved.
 
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Does Gladys promote a book, record or does the Stake pay her to do this? hum!!!!
 
I forgot - money is not involved.
 
Where is Donny and Marie - I heard she had gotten skinny and available for a new g wearing man.
 
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I have been to one, here in Las Vegas.
 
There will be musical instruments in the chapel that are not normally allowed.
It was a full house, missionaries and their investigators, members all mixed together. The missionaries were told not to take the limited seats, so they stood on the sides of the chapel/gym. The looked like ushers, which I guess they were.
Then the crowd is instructed to stand and clap as the choir comes in, walking from all the way in the back to the front. Gladys, of course, comes in last.  The clapping was quite loud, and it was quite a scene. Very rock concert-ish.
 
Then opening prayer, music, talks, testimonies, and a very heavy dose of recruiting messages. "we have the truth" "come share our joy" "god is here with us""the special feeling you have felt while being here is the spirit, telling you our message is true".....stuff like that.
 
Testimony from Gladys, her husband (who was quite funny) and an institute director who is close to Gladys and acts as the master of ceremonies.
 
The most embarrassing part of the night was when the stake president closed the fireside with this gem of a comment.  He said "It's a good thing I was seated next to ______________ so he could help me keep in time with the music"
Of course _____________ was black.
 
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For all her efforts to bring new souls to the Celestial Kingdom, and more money into the coffers of MoInc, Glady deserves at least to know what she did in the pre-existence to warrant her curse. She was cursed, right? I mean, she has the mark of Cain - the skin of blackness - and was born well before 1978, after all. Clearly, she had to have been less valiant in the pre-existence. She also deserves to know why she has yet to become white and delightsome again. It worked for the ancient Lamanites.
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There will be musical instruments in the chapel that are not normally allowed...Then the crowd is instructed to stand and clap as the choir comes in, walking from all the way in the back to the front.
 
Yeah, I can see how uncomfortable member's would be with this setup...seeing how everything else they put on is incredible dull without modern music or the ability to clap.
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Wow... I wish I had read this thread before I went to one of these yesterday!!
 
I have to say, it was worth going just to hear Gladys sing the little bit that she did. She is phenomenal -- and a beautiful person, which came through very clearly.
 
But I left with a very sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and anger burning. I wonder if she has any idea of the true nature of what she's representing, and how they're using her, and I am sure at least 25% of the audience had no idea what they were in for, vis a vis the strong missionary push.
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Wow... I wish I had read this thread before I went to one of these yesterday!!
 
I have to say, it was worth going just to hear Gladys sing the little bit that she did. She is phenomenal -- and a beautiful person, which came through very clearly.
 
But I left with a very sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and anger burning. I wonder if she has any idea of the true nature of what she's representing, and how they're using her, and I am sure at least 25% of the audience had no idea what they were in for, vis a vis the strong missionary push.
JillOut, you must live close by.  My son, daughter-in-law, and daughter attended the 8:00 show last night.  Everything I heard along the way was pretty accurate...great music, some funny stuff in the talks, but an absolutely unabashed message re: "the one and only true church."  Hearing that description, in spite of my love of music, I decided not to attend...I'm glad I wasn't there.  They, on the other hand, thought it was great.  They admitted that it was a very strong push toward the church, but they thought people took it in stride.  If the Baltimore Stake has droves of baptisms because of it, I guess we'll know.  I kind of doubt that's likely.  There's too much church stuff to accept beyond Gladys Knight's message.
 
In all fairness, though, I know at least in the Susquehanna Ward, an announcement was read for a couple of weeks about the purpose of the fireside.  I think I remember the phrase "...strong missionary message..." in the description and they specifically cautioned against referring to this as a Gladys Knight concert.  Chances are good that the kind of reaction you had to the event (and I would have had if I had gone) is pretty common.  If people paid attention in sacrament meeting, they should have been able to prepare their non-member friends about it.
 
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I'm in the DC area, I'm glad to hear there are more of us out here!
 
All I know is, I wasn't warned. I was told to expect "a little bit of testimony sharing," not 45 minutes of it, with about the same amount of time devoted to the music. And I can't say because I don't know first-hand how it was presented, but I doubt the members of congregations of other churches who were given tickets were adequately warned; if so, I can't imagine that they would have come. I thought it was going to be a musical celebration of our common faith with a little Mormon flava mixed in; instead, it just seemed like a poaching expedition. Not a good way for the Morg to build good will in the larger Christian community, if you ask me.
 
Like I said, it was worth it to me to hear her sing, and the choir, in fairness, kicked a$$. But I was still left feeling a bit sick and angry; I have a hangover today, even.
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For all her efforts to bring new souls to the Celestial Kingdom, and more money into the coffers of MoInc, Glady deserves at least to know what she did in the pre-existence to warrant her curse. She was cursed, right? I mean, she has the mark of Cain - the skin of blackness - and was born well before 1978, after all. Clearly, she had to have been less valiant in the pre-existence. She also deserves to know why she has yet to become white and delightsome again. It worked for the ancient Lamanites.
 
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On my mission, a fellow elder swore up and down that a friend, or a friend of a friend (don't remember the level of acquaintance), who was serving a mission in California, had taught the discussions to Steve Martin and had baptized him. 
 
I'm proud to say I didn't buy it.  (Wish I could say the same about the Mormon fairy tale.)
 
I ended up hearing this story from more than one source.  It seemed to be spreading like wildfire.  But no matter how far it spread, the truth was that it wasn't true.  No number of believers changed that.
 
Another missionary on my mission said that while in the MTC, he lived in the same dorm floor as Peter Billingsley, more well-known as Ralphie Parker from "A Christmas Story."  To me, the dates didn't seem to add up.  But that elder swore by it.
 
Folks seem to be more interested in having something in common with a famous person than verifying facts.  At the risk of generalizing, may I say that Mormons love to name-drop. 
 
I lived in Las Vegas when Gladys Knight joined the church.  My mom, who worked at the Las Vegas temple, talked about when Ms. Knight came to receive her endowment.  So cool!  Everyone seemed abuzz about Gladys Knight.  Though I don't recall ever hearing these same people mention her when she was simply just a companion to the Pips.  And you never hear any of them mention the apparent exemption that Ms. Knight has received from wearing garments during public appearances, because no way could she be tucking and folding her garments under some of those outfits.  Just saying.
 
Mormons love to point out that Steve Young is Mormon.  Mormons in Utah idolized Shawn Bradley. (Mormons here in DFW tried not to bring him up too much due to his mostly dismal performance with the Mavs.)
 
For some reason, there's the feeling that having famous brothers- and sisters-in-arms makes the church more true, or more mainstream, or both. But all it really does is show that those famous people are just like us: dim-witted, bone-headed suckers.
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My BFF is a gay man. We've been friends for going on 25 years. As a consequence, I've been in a lot of gay bars and have hung around with a LOT of GLBT folks. A lot. To the point where I didn't actually have very many hetero friends at all for a while there. 
 
One day, I was laying on the beach with three gay guys and they were talking about different celebrities, Tom Cruise, as one example, who they think are gay. Is George Clooney gay? Then they'd discuss that to death, analyzing this and that. Is Bill Maher gay? More analysis and discussion. On and on they went, bringing up every single person of questionable sexual orientation they could think of, as if it matters*. They sounded like name-dropping mormons. I, being the only "outsider" (hetero person in the group), saw it immediately.
 
Finally, I got really sick of this discussion when they got to Johnny Depp. They can have George Clooney, but I'll be damned if they're going to claim my boyfriend Johnny Depp as one of their own.  I finally just suggested that, perhaps, it's really difficult to be GLBT in a mostly hetero world, so you guys must be assigning "teh gay" to anyone and everyone, even those who are demonstrably not GLBT, so you feel like you fit in somewhere. If someone as rich and famous and popular as George Clooney is gay, then hey, maybe that helps you not feel so bad about being gay yourself. You can even begin to accept yourself now that you can affiliate yourself with someone who's cool and hip and popular, 'cause now you're just like George. I went on and on, explaining how obviously they were projecting their own self-image on to these celebrities so they could feel like they were part of some accepted class of people instead of social pariahs (gay men in the Deep South -- the only thing that would make them more outsiders is if they were black as well). 
 
I never saw a group of gay men shut the #### up so fast in my life.  After digesting my words for a minute, they all laughed and admitted I'd totally nailed it and they wanted a lot of rich famous and sexy people to be gay so it would be okay for them to be gay too. 
 
I think that's what's going on with the mormon name-dropping, like the Mick Jagger on an airplane story and Steve Martin is a mormon story. Projection, once you get really good at spotting it, is really kind of pitiful. 
 
 
 
 
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I like Dogzilla Joy's explanation.
 
Have you ever gone to one of those sites that list all the famous mormons? It's actually a little sad. People who clearly don't believe and/or practice (Katherine Heigl, Eliza Dushku, etc.) are listed merely because at least one parent was mormon and perhaps they were brought up in the church. A lot of it certainly seems like grasping at straws.
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I like Dogzilla Joy's explanation.
 
Have you ever gone to one of those sites that list all the famous mormons? It's actually a little sad. People who clearly don't believe and/or practice (Katherine Heigl, Eliza Dushku, etc.) are listed merely because at least one parent was mormon and perhaps they were brought up in the church. A lot of it certainly seems like grasping at straws.
 
 Most certainly. Funny thing is, if you go to Eliza Dushku's Wikipedia page, it says she's Mormon, but doesn't practice. Considering she has tattoos and her roles tend to be risque at best, in the view of the Mormons, I'd say that's a fair bet. I love the whole "grasping at straws" people do. The only Mormon I know of in Hollywood that's practicing is A.J. Cook, who plays JJ on Criminal Minds. The rest have either "fallen away" or been otherwise seduced by the tantalizing aspects of the world. 
 
I still remember when someone first told me Eliza Dushku was MOrmon. I said, "Bullshit. I could believe Sarah Michelle Gellar, but not Eliza Dushku." But lo and behold...
 
Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Steve Young apostacized years ago. I seem to remember my dad going on about that....
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Most certainly. Funny thing is, if you go to Eliza Dushku's Wikipedia page, it says she's Mormon, but doesn't practice. Considering she has tattoos and her roles tend to be risque at best, in the view of the Mormons, I'd say that's a fair bet. I love the whole "grasping at straws" people do. The only Mormon I know of in Hollywood that's practicing is A.J. Cook, who plays JJ on Criminal Minds. The rest have either "fallen away" or been otherwise seduced by the tantalizing aspects of the world. 
 
I still remember when someone first told me Eliza Dushku was MOrmon. I said, "Bullshit. I could believe Sarah Michelle Gellar, but not Eliza Dushku." But lo and behold...
 
Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Steve Young apostacized years ago. I seem to remember my dad going on about that....
 
I don't know how any Mormon celebrity could really "practice" the faith in the sense of being a ward member with busywork callings and B.S. meetings to go to. But if we're just talking believing/self-identifying Mormons then you have to put Steve Young back in that camp. He has never disavowed Mormonism, although he and his wife did stand against Prop 8. Maybe that's what your dad was going on about? Also, Brandon Flowers, lead singer for The Killers, did an "and I'm a Mormon" ad.
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[snip] 
 
I never saw a group of gay men shut the #### up so fast in my life.  After digesting my words for a minute, they all laughed and admitted I'd totally nailed it and they wanted a lot of rich famous and sexy people to be gay so it would be okay for them to be gay too. 
 
I think that's what's going on with the mormon name-dropping, like the Mick Jagger on an airplane story and Steve Martin is a mormon story. Projection, once you get really good at spotting it, is really kind of pitiful. 
 
 
 
 
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I am of the belief that projection is one of the most important psychological concepts human beings need to get on board to function as vaguely healthy 'adults'. You have nailed it beautifully here.
 
It is accompanied by boundaries in my assessment, and the two concepts are often interconnected.
 
'Zilla, in this example, the Shadow, the shamed and and gay self, which is tired of always being different, unappreciated and unaccepted, is first inverted and then projected.
 
The (imagined gay) celebrity is then accorded the very opposite of the problematic aspects of experience of being a gay man: different - becomes perfectly OK, unappreciated - becomes not only appreciated, but desired and unaccepted, becomes adored and desired. 
 
I hold the belief that the more the party detaches from their pain, the more likely they are to project in some form. Mormonism and fundy cults generally are particularly good at denying or minimising their outsider status, and inverting it, to where they become 'God's Chosen' no less, who will take great pleasure when JC returns a whops everyone elses ass.
 
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The Wondertwins from DC comics are/were Mormon. There is also a couple of kids from Marvel. There is a site that tells you which superheroes are what religion. Whenever someone wants to name-drop like that I find myself saying, "Maybe, but most famous people aren't." or "What about Tom Cruse? Does him being a Scientologist make Scientology true?" 

   


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I lived in Las Vegas when Gladys Knight joined the church.  My mom, who worked at the Las Vegas temple, talked about when Ms. Knight came to receive her endowment.  So cool!  Everyone seemed abuzz about Gladys Knight.  Though I don't recall ever hearing these same people mention her when she was simply just a companion to the Pips.  And you never hear any of them mention the apparent exemption that Ms. Knight has received from wearing garments during public appearances, because no way could she be tucking and folding her garments under some of those outfits.  Just saying.
 
 
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Here's a little tidbit from my Facebook friends yesterday, lamenting the Supreme Court's decision to uphold Romneycare Obamacare. Oy vey. The person commenting on the original status lives in SLC area.
 
 
 
 
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 Keep the Faith..Mitt Romney was here at church Sunday (had a big gathering over the weekend). Karl Rove even attended Sacrament Meeting with him...along with the great # of secret service and policemen. Mitt's doing missionary work while he's running for Pres =) It was sweet! Lots of Prayers!
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I'm puzzled. Why would Karl Rove go to sacrament meeting? He isn't LDS, and I can't imagine he has any interest in the church. This sounds a bit fishy to me.
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"Mitt's doing missionary work..."
 
How delusional can someone be?
 
Do you think Mitt has EVER talked mormonism in his circle of high roller contacts?
 
Do you think Mitt has EVER invited non-mormon friends to dinner along with the missionaries to teach them the first discussion?
 
Do you think Mitt has EVER handed out a Book of Mormon with his family picture and testimony to a high government official, or to a Wall Street banker?
 
psssst ... this just in.........Missionary work is for the rank and file mormons. Speaking out to your friends and recruiting them into mormonism is for the low ranking members, not the rich and famous.
 
As Gordon Hinckley so often demonstrated, the church and its crazy doctrines are swept aside when the high and mighty meet with their peers.  While 50,000 missionaries are banging on doors and selling the Joe Smith story, Gordon was yucking it up with larry king on TV and denying all kinds of weird mormon doctrines. 
 
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Mitt's not doing missionary work, that is all behind him now, and frankly a little embarrassing....he has moved on.
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psssst ... this just in.........Missionary work is for the rank and file mormons. Speaking out to your friends and recruiting them into mormonism is for the low ranking members, not the rich and famous.
 
 
In the church's pyramid scheme, Mitt's near the top. You can bet his downline of minions is doing all the dirty, awkward missionary work.
 
But I don't doubt that Karl Rove went to church--he needs to figure out how to spin Mormonism's craziness when Mitt's beliefs finally become the topic.


   


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Karl Rove has mormon ties....
 
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I guess I don't consider growing up in Utah as having Mormon ties. If anyone, nevermos I know who grew up in Utah are happy to live elsewhere, where their neighbors aren't trying to convert them. My guess is Rove has had enough Mormonism to last a couple lifetimes.
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Here's a little tidbit from my Facebook friends yesterday, lamenting the Supreme Court's decision to uphold Romneycare Obamacare. Oy vey. The person commenting on the original status lives in SLC area.
 
 
 
 
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I have little doubt that once his political career is over, Mitt will find himself occupying one of the big red easy chairs in the conference center. His calling an election is sure!
 
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Posted: 30 August 2011 04:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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Back in the early 80's, a famous Polish concert pianist visited our area in Northwest Washington.  His name was Wladimir Jan Kochanski and he was apparently one of Poland's most famous concert pianists.  Besides that he was a Mormon convert.

He performed a number of piano concerts, selling copies of his CDs and his autobiography (my parents bought one of everything). He also gave several firesides, where he played a few songs and told us stories about his conversion and particularly his experience performing in front of the Pope (John Paul II, also from Poland). He told us that while meeting with the Pope privately, he found the courage to present him with a Book of Mormon. He told us the Pope told him that he had already read that book, and knew it was true, but that God wanted him to remain with the Catholics. It gave us all a warm and fuzzy feeling to know that even the Pope recognized the truth of the BOM!

After the firesides, he would sign his CDs and books and shake the hands of the various members who wanted to meet him. He seemed like a really nice guy and we thought it was pretty impressive that such an important, famous musician would come to our little neck of the woods and perform in our church building.

It turns out things aren't always what they seem. Imagine my surprise to read the following paragraphs from an Amazon review of his autobiography:

The most disturbing aspect of Wladimir Jan Kochanski's autobiography is his description of himself as the son of a Polish-American family. A quick Google-search indicates that he was actually born to a Texan couple, Mr. and Mrs. Harvey, of English decent. His actual birth name is Robert Harvey. Nowhere in his memoir does Kochanski allude to his actual origins, and one wonders how much credibility can be granted to his various tales when the most basic fact of his identity and birth are hidden and distorted.
"The People's Pianist" as Kochanski labels himself, is peppered with references to his "Polish" family and the various Polish friends in his life. He makes a brief, sentimental reference of his death-bed marriage to a young lady named "Krystyna". Like various other tales in this book, it somehow does not ring true. The tone of his recounting bears a striking resemblance to Paderewski's autobiography and reference to his early widowhood in the same wistful manner. One begins to wonder if Mr. Harvey, a.k.a. Kochanski, is creating a fictional narrative and projecting an almost entirely imaginary persona onto a vast and unknowing readership.

It seems that "Wladimir" aka Robert, was some sort of fraud or con-man, similar to his contemporary Mark Hoffman. I'm not sure how much money he made going from Stake to Stake, pretending to be a Polish Pianist, but he definitely tapped into the LDS desire for acceptance/affirmation when tales are told about famous people joining the church (like the frequent DesNews stories about bowlers, TV actors, etc...)

Does anyone else remember going to one of this guys concerts or firesides? It seems that he is now living in isolation in California, no longer involved in music.


   


Posted: 30 August 2011 04:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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I have no knowledge of him, but what your posting made me think of was the myriad Paul H. Dunn "faith building" stories in which he lied.
 
This guy should fit right in with at least one GA's history. 


   


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Back in the early 80's, a famous Polish concert pianist visited our area in Northwest Washington.  His name was Wladimir Jan Kochanski and he was apparently one of Poland's most famous concert pianists.  Besides that he was a Mormon convert.

He performed a number of piano concerts, selling copies of his CDs and his autobiography (my parents bought one of everything). He also gave several firesides, where he played a few songs and told us stories about his conversion and particularly his experience performing in front of the Pope (John Paul II, also from Poland). He told us that while meeting with the Pope privately, he found the courage to present him with a Book of Mormon. He told us the Pope told him that he had already read that book, and knew it was true, but that God wanted him to remain with the Catholics. It gave us all a warm and fuzzy feeling to know that even the Pope recognized the truth of the BOM!
 
 
***I REMEMBER HIM WELL TEETERING.. HE CAME TO HAWAII AND MADE THE ROUNDS OVER THERE IN THE STAKES.. WE SENT CARE PACKAGES TO MEMBERS IN POLAND THOUGH THIS GUY.  WE FUNDED THESE CARE PACKAGES OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET AFTER TITHING THROUGH A COMPANY HE TOLD US TO USE.... WE HAD SEVERAL SMALL CHILDREN WE WERE PROVIDING FOR AT THE TIME, BUT THIS GUY TOLD US THAT POLISH MEMBERS NEEDED OUR HELP....BADLY.  
 
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That guy sounds awsome!
 
On my mission, in Tallahassee, FL, we had a Jewish convert (i think) named Marvin Goldstein.  Marvin could play the piano like a motherfckr.  He would also do firesides etc as well as sell CDs.  
 
What is it with convert musicians doing firesides?  Marvin was very well regarded in Tally.  He also was the real deal as far as I know.  He would play some stuff and then talk and then play and then talk etc.  Good grief.
 
I also remember one time non other than the one and only Janice Kapp Perry came to Tallahassee and did a fireside.  WOW!!!!!  was that good (totally kidding).  Even at the time I thought the whole thing was lame. 
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I remember this guy so well because I've felt guilty all these years for having to stop giving to that poor Polish family because we could no longer afford to send money for food packages!  Now I'm wondering if the company he told us to send the money to was as fake as he is.
 
Holy F'ing fake prophet!!!  It seems like every day there's some new "revelation" about TSCC tied to some fakery.  Jo's legend continues. 


   


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One wonders how many "packages" ended up in Robert's cupboards.
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His piano teachers were Van Cliburn's as well, and the "mystic" of getting into Russia, or having a foreign-sounding name (during the McCarthy era)...got him gigs. He just began to believe his hype.
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"He told us that while meeting with the Pope privately, he found the courage to present him with a Book of Mormon. He told us the Pope told him that he had already read that book, and knew it was true, but that God wanted him to remain with the Catholics" My ex-wife has told the story many times that during her mission in Italy, a Catholic Priest told her, "I know the Book of Mormon is true, but I made a pact with Satan to deceive the people". Sort of sounds like the "PianoMan's" story.
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Here and there you hear famous people speaking and they sound a lot like mormons. Some even dress like them or share their main political ideals (of the majority of course). So who can you see that fills this profile. As far as I can see I would vote for Sarah Palin and Nicholas Sparks.  

   


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Well, one must not forget Christine O'Donnell, the Tea Party candidate for the Senate just elected in Delaware. She is known as a "Anti-Masturbation" activist, and is outspoken as to whether or not Christians would ever do such a thing. Maybe she is already LDS?
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apostate (FKA) strangite:
Well, one must not forget Christine O'Donnell, the Tea Party candidate for the Senate just elected in Delaware. She is known as a "Anti-Masturbation" activist, and is outspoken as to whether or not Christians would ever do such a thing. Maybe she is already LDS?
Everything I've heard her say reminds me of TBMs.  It's like the shocked mainstream press has never talked to a TBM before... ;)
 
Here's my two favorite quotes by her (but there's lots more here):
 
O’Donnell believes women do not enjoy sex, using it only as a means to love. “Women play sex to get love. Men play love to get sex.” [Fox News, 8/2/03]
 
O’Donnell excused gay bashing as ‘kids being kids.’ Asked about disparaging comments children had made about a gay peer, O’Donnell dismissed it, saying, “It’s kids being kids, that’s it.” [Hannity & Colmes, 7/19/00]
 
 
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Well, one must not forget Christine O'Donnell, the Tea Party candidate for the Senate just elected in Delaware. She is known as a "Anti-Masturbation" activist, and is outspoken as to whether or not Christians would ever do such a thing. Maybe she is already LDS?
 

 Who would of thought masturbation was going to be a political issue in 2010.
 
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For their willingness to tell any lie to obtain money:
 
Bernie Madoff
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...and the fine, upstanding citizens on this list:
 
http://www.dailyfinance.com/investing/famous-financial-felons/
 
The general authorities are of the same ilk as these people. Raking in a fortune and giving back...absolutely nothing. In fact these swindlers are so much like the general authorities they should make an exception and perform baptisms in absentia for the living in their cases. They should all also be given immediate callings to the Quorums of Seventy with Bernie Madoff next in line for an open seat among the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. 
 
 
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Well, one must not forget Christine O'Donnell, the Tea Party candidate for the Senate just elected in Delaware. She is known as a "Anti-Masturbation" activist, and is outspoken as to whether or not Christians would ever do such a thing. Maybe she is already LDS?
 
 
 Who would of thought masturbation was going to be a political issue in 2010.
 
 
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Well, one must not forget Christine O'Donnell, the Tea Party candidate for the Senate just elected in Delaware. She is known as a "Anti-Masturbation" activist, and is outspoken as to whether or not Christians would ever do such a thing. Maybe she is already LDS?
Everything I've heard her say reminds me of TBMs.  It's like the shocked mainstream press has never talked to a TBM before... ;)
 
Here's my two favorite quotes by her (but there's lots more here):
 
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O’Donnell excused gay bashing as ‘kids being kids.’ Asked about disparaging comments children had made about a gay peer, O’Donnell dismissed it, saying, “It’s kids being kids, that’s it.” [Hannity & Colmes, 7/19/00]
 
 
 
 
 
 
What the????  Aparently she has never had good sex...
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I really hate when Mormons talk about how Mother Theresa was so Christlike, but what a shame she wasn't a Mormon and didn't have the real truth. Or how she could have done so much more good if she'd been Mormon. It's a horribly arrogant thing to say. 
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Well, one must not forget Christine O'Donnell, the Tea Party candidate for the Senate just elected in Delaware. She is known as a "Anti-Masturbation" activist, and is outspoken as to whether or not Christians would ever do such a thing. Maybe she is already LDS?
 
 
 Who would of thought masturbation was going to be a political issue in 2010.
 
 
  Joseph would want to personally thank her 
 
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I really hate when Mormons talk about how Mother Theresa was so Christlike, but what a shame she wasn't a Mormon and didn't have the real truth. Or how she could have done so much more good if she'd been Mormon. It's a horribly arrogant thing to say. 
 
Several years ago I read how Mother Theresa, in her writings, actually doubted the existence of God.  I think she was on the right track. 
 
I sure those that are more computer savy than I am could find what she said.  I believe it was in a readers digest.
 
Maybe the US is turning into TBMs.  I watched a lot of football yesterday and for the first time I felt sorry, disappointed, pissed off and many other negative emotions as I saw both teams after a hard fought game all kneel to a mythical being.
 
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Posted: 15 September 2010 10:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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So we all know that I love Brandon Flowers and can't wait till he's a PostMo and am expecting him at any time - much like my parents expect me back at church any time.
 
Brandon Flowers solo album came out yesterday and I have listened to it.  Of course I read into his music what I want to read into it.  I'd heard that he called this album a testament to his faith or something along that line and I was worried it was going to be quite Jesus Wants me for a Sunbeam and all that.
 
In my opinion, from what I heard I would think he was closer than ever to leaving the church (and of course there is the question of how much he was ever in the church to begin with). 
 
Peruse the following lyrics from Only The Young:
 
Look back in silence
The cradle of your whole life
There in the distance
Losing its greatest pride
Nothing is easy, nothing is sacred, why?
Where did the bow break?
It happened before your time
 
And there were people there
Lovely as you’d ever care
Tonight, baby, you can start again
Laughing in the open air
Have yourself another dream
Tonight, baby, we can start again
 
Only the young can break away, break away
Lost when the wind blows, on your own
Only the young can break away, break away
Lost when the wind blows, on your own
 
Mother, it’s cold here
Father, thy will be done
Thunder and lightning are crashing down
They got me on the run
Direct me to the sun
Redemption, keep my covers clean tonight
Baby, we can start again
 
And the sun will shine again.
And the sun will shine again.
Are you looking for a sign?
Or are you caught up in the lie?
 
Only the young can break away, break away
Lost when the wind blows, on your own
Only the young can break away, break away
Lost when the wind blows, on your own
 
On my last Brandon Flowers of The Killers thread several people said that Brandon Flowers music really spoke to their own pain of disaffection.  I wouldn't expect any TBM to understand what it feels like.  Donny Osmond's music, for instance, has never caused me to feel understood (although Donny Osmond is so nice, can't help but like him anyway.)  Maybe it's our shared Mormon soul. 
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Posted: 16 September 2010 01:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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He was on NPR Weekend Edition on Sunday.  Enjoy!
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Posted: 16 September 2010 03:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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You could post a Brandon Flowers thread 10 times every day and I'd love you for it!!!  I heart him!!!
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]   

   
 
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He's moving our direction if he isn't here already.  His first son's name was Ammon.  His second son's name is Gunner.  Gunner's going to totally destroy Ammon.  I still consider Brandon the first PostMo I knew before I discovered all you good people were in our concert.
 
I saw The Killers this summer in concert.  I felt The Spirit© testify to me during the following opening hymn. 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHaXv0Yu4AU&feature=related
 
He took the words right out of my mouth since the whole song is how I feel facing my disenchantment with The Church© to my parents by, as he says, "cutting the cord" and becoming a human rather than doing the dance steps and following along.  It's interesting in the concert version he adds the following that is not on the studio version of the song. 
 
Bring on your new messiah
wherever he may roam.
First I'm gonna make it
then i'm gonna break it till it falls apart.
Hate'n all the fake'n
shake'n while I'm break'n your brittle heart.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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God, he sounds so MORMON in that NPR interview. I'm talking not about the things he says but actually the way he speaks, his Mormon accent. He sounds like me.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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Iron Rod:It's interesting in the concert version he adds the following that is not on the studio version of the song. 
 
 
Bring on your new messiah
wherever he may roam.
First I'm gonna make it
then i'm gonna break it till it falls apart.
Hate'n all the fake'n
shake'n while I'm break'n your brittle heart.
 
Not to take away anything from this post, but it should be noted he didn't write those lyrics. They're from "Bring on the Dancing Horses" by Echo & the Bunnymen.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]   

   
 
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So did you get his new album?  What do you think?  DW isn't a fan (except for the iTunes bonus tracks), but I'm diggin' it.  Of course, as I said to my wife, "I'd probably like anything he does.  He's dreamy." 
 
DD, a brand new teen, overheard and asked me, "Is he good-looking?"  I didn't answer.  The funny thing is that she and I saw The Killers one year ago this month in SLC.  Then she reminded me that she didn't bring her glasses.
 
Somebody mentioned Arcade Fire on this thread too, a band I enjoy as well (and seemingly my teen son's current favorite).  On lists of famous "postmos," I've obviously seen Win Butler, the lead singer.  But I saw his brother, William Butler, the band's drummer, on a list of famous Mormons.  This seems odd considering the few other things I've read about him.  Does anyone know more about this?
 
ETA:  I guess the Arcade Fire mention was on MishMagnet's other Brandon Flowers thread.
 
http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/discussions/viewthread/23520/
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]   

   
 
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So, I'm confused.  I thought he already was post-mormon.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]   

   
 
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I like the new album, not sure if I love it yet.  It's much more soulful without the energetic Killers back-up, but something about the back-up from the other band members is what really speaks to me on the band albums.
 
Gypsy Girl, he hasn't left yet that anyone knows.  He got sober a few years ago, got married (not in the temple) had two kids and in any interview does profess belief for the church. 
 
I kind of imagine he's a JackMo but am really not sure.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]   

   
 
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Hmm...I thought that I had read an interview several years ago where he said that he had heard some really weird stuff about Joseph Smith and then decided to leave TSCC, and then he talked about how weird it was to drink beers for the first time...
 
But maybe I'm getting him confused with someone else?  I dunno.  
 
I'll try to look for that interview...
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Posted: 16 September 2010 04:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]   

   
 
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Okay, this is hilarious...
 
I didn't find the interview, but I did find this quote on a Famous Mormons webpage:
 
"Mormon listeners may find some hints of our beliefs in Brandon’s lyrics such as the line found in the song “Somebody Told Me“:
Heaven ain’t close in a place like this
One wonders if it’s a possible reference to the teaching to avoid places where the Holy Ghost can’t dwell, but that’s anyone’s guess."
 
 
 
Are you serious???!!!  Hints to Mormon beliefs in "Somebody Told Me"???  How about the line..."you had a boyfriend who looked like a girlfriend I had in February"?  I'd love to hear a Mormon apologist try to find a link to Mormonism in that line!
 
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Posted: 16 September 2010 06:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]   

   
 
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gypsy girl:
Okay, this is hilarious...
 
I didn't find the interview, but I did find this quote on a Famous Mormons webpage:
 
"Mormon listeners may find some hints of our beliefs in Brandon’s lyrics such as the line found in the song “Somebody Told Me“:
Heaven ain’t close in a place like this
One wonders if it’s a possible reference to the teaching to avoid places where the Holy Ghost can’t dwell, but that’s anyone’s guess."
 
 
 
Are you serious???!!!  Hints to Mormon beliefs in "Somebody Told Me"???  How about the line..."you had a boyfriend who looked like a girlfriend I had in February"?  I'd love to hear a Mormon apologist try to find a link to Mormonism in that line!
 
 
That's what I love about art and artists.  You're influenced by your own experiences in your interpretation of them and their work.  My TBM BIL loves the Killers, I'm sure he only sees Flowers' words as pro-TSSC.  
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Posted: 16 September 2010 07:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]   

   
 
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Ok, I had never really listened to the Killers before, but because of this thread I have been listening to them all day on Grooveshark.

I have not heard a bad song YET!!!!!  These guys kick A.
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Posted: 16 September 2010 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]   

   
 
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Posted: 16 September 2010 11:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]   

   
 
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ElGuapo:
Iron Rod:It's interesting in the concert version he adds the following that is not on the studio version of the song. 
 
 
Bring on your new messiah
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First I'm gonna make it
then i'm gonna break it till it falls apart.
Hate'n all the fake'n
shake'n while I'm break'n your brittle heart.
 
Not to take away anything from this post, but it should be noted he didn't write those lyrics. They're from "Bring on the Dancing Horses" by Echo & the Bunnymen.
 
 I love Echo & the Bunnymen. 
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Posted: 16 September 2010 11:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]   

   
 
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ClearThoughts:
gypsy girl:
Okay, this is hilarious...
 
I didn't find the interview, but I did find this quote on a Famous Mormons webpage:
 
"Mormon listeners may find some hints of our beliefs in Brandon’s lyrics such as the line found in the song “Somebody Told Me“:
Heaven ain’t close in a place like this
One wonders if it’s a possible reference to the teaching to avoid places where the Holy Ghost can’t dwell, but that’s anyone’s guess."
 
 
 
Are you serious???!!!  Hints to Mormon beliefs in "Somebody Told Me"???  How about the line..."you had a boyfriend who looked like a girlfriend I had in February"?  I'd love to hear a Mormon apologist try to find a link to Mormonism in that line!
 
 
That's what I love about art and artists.  You're influenced by your own experiences in your interpretation of them and their work.  My TBM BIL loves the Killers, I'm sure he only sees Flowers' words as pro-TSSC.  
 
 Well, yes.  Be that as it may, "Somebody Told Me," as a Mormon song is a huuuugggge stretch (far off heavens and departing Holy Ghosts notwithstanding). 
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Posted: 17 September 2010 02:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]   

   
 
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I love The Killers. Don't know if I'll get the solo album unless the singles really kick ass. I wouldn't hold my breath for Flowers to leave TSCC though. He was a lapsed mormon for a few years, but everything recently points to him being a TBM.
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Posted: 20 September 2010 08:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]   

   
 
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GodFree:
I love The Killers. Don't know if I'll get the solo album unless the singles really kick ass. I wouldn't hold my breath for Flowers to leave TSCC though. He was a lapsed mormon for a few years, but everything recently points to him being a TBM.
 
I also get the impression that he's moving closer to the church, not farther away from it.  It's been quite a while since he was photographed with a drink in his hand or a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.
 
Also, check this out from his Wiki page:
 
 
Brandon and his wife have two sons, Ammon (named after a Mormon prophet), born July 14, 2007 and Gunner, born July 28, 2009. The couple is expecting a third child.
 
 
So they're certainly following the TBM reproductive pattern!  
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Posted: 20 September 2010 08:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]   

   
 
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  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/entertainment/music/71603/Killers-singer-says-it-KILLS-him-when-people-mock-Mormons.html
 
This is from back at the end of 2008, so I don't know where in his history of being active and inactive this falls.  But as of that date, this makes it sounds like he was pretty much embracing his TBMism at that time.
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Posted: 20 September 2010 09:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]   

   
 
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Zenock-Knock:
Brandon and his wife have two sons, Ammon (named after a Mormon prophet), born July 14, 2007 and Gunner, born July 28, 2009. The couple is expecting a third child.
 Hmmm........Brandon! No!!! Pleease don't slip into the Soul Eating Machine!
 
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Posted: 14 October 2010 11:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]   

   
 
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Just for you, MishMagnet:
 
Brandon Flowers interview in the London Telegraph (Oct. 12, 2010).
 
 
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Posted: 14 October 2010 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]   

   
 
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Ooh, thanks for the link!  I just wish it were'nt so depressing.  "My faith influences the songs I don't write" (regarding his darker, sexual nature.)
 
 
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I have been ADDICTED, seriously, to the Killers for over 3 years now.  I love Brandon so much that I would probably rejoin the church for him and be wife # whatever..!!!  Now that's true love 
 
My two teenage kids were taken to their first rock concert by me, to see the Killers a few years ago.  They loved it.  They're hooked.
 
Then this year in August I flew to Vegas to watch his first solo performance of Flamingo in a small room of a hotel.  Anybody else go to that?  I don't like the music as much as the Killers, but I could not get enough of his face. 
 
As far as what kind of Mormon he is, I think he's a Jack.  He believes but he can't stick to the suffocating rules. 
 
He's just a brilliant artist.   If he ever studies up on the history of tscc I bet he'll jump ship, and have SOOOO much writing material from those emotions.  Should be great. 
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