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Is Gladys Knight still mormon?  
Posted: 24 September 2009 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   

   
 
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The church doesn't seem to parade her around like they did when she first joined.  Is she still mormon? 

   


Posted: 24 September 2009 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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Posted: 24 September 2009 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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The church doesn't seem to parade her around like they did when she first joined.  Is she still mormon?
 
She still does firesides with her Mormon gospel choir, the Sports Utility Vehicles Saints Unified Voices (SUV): http://www.suvchoir.org/
 
Have her come to your ward or stake (just be sure to have your stake president do the request on church letterhead): http://www.suvchoir.org/contact.html 
 


   


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Posted: 24 September 2009 09:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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It seems to me that the morg would not be to happy with her choir competing against the tab choir for cd sales. From the look of the website, it appears they are looking at the endeavor as a business venture to sell cds. 

   


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how did she ever get suckered into this mess?
 
I am sure it has something to do with the fact she is treated like a rock star by mormons (who wouldn’t be the least bit interested in her if she weren’t mormon).  She likely hasn’t had that type of attention since the late 70’s.  She has no idea she is just being used as a pawn for church leadership—in order to show the world: “See!  We’re NOT racist!  We have a black celebrity!”


   


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how did she ever get suckered into this mess?
 
I am sure it has something to do with the fact she is treated like a rock star by mormons (who wouldn’t be the least bit interested in her if she weren’t mormon).  She likely hasn’t had that type of attention since the late 70’s.  She has no idea she is just being used as a pawn for church leadership—in order to show the world: “See!  We’re NOT racist!  We have a black celebrity!”
 
I've never been able to decide which is more depressing, that they trot her out or that she lets herself be trotted. They are absolutely using her.
 
But fading R & B stars, fading musicians of every stripe, seem to have hard lives. I suppose (glumly) that Mormonism beats (although not by much) drug addiction and the dropping ever lower into the seamier side of LA life. I'm thinking of Mackenzie Phillips' painting of her father's awful life.
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Posted: 24 September 2009 10:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]   

   
 
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Gladys was actually in my family ward in Las Vegas back in the day... She was still being "celebrated" in the LDS church then... And it was always surreal to see her in Sacrament meeting. Her daughter is LDS, and that is how she got involved I believe. When ever she bore her testimony, she always pointed out the fact that the church gave her comfort during a lot of loss she had in her immediate family. I remember her brother died, or was killed shortly before or after she converted. Her comments in RS were always fun, because she would always say "sista" and she never gave up her religious convictions of her prior faith.... she was always good for a "amen" and "praise jesus"  during a lesson!  Ohhh how I loved to watch the TBM's squirm at such vocal declarations!! Almost made church entertaining~~~
 
She did take over one Easter Sunday, and it was probably the best sacrament I had ever been to.. She and her backup singers did a whole song medley (she was performing on the strip at the time). Which was such a breath of fresh air, it really made me wish Mormons would lighten up a little, and actually celebrate life a little more.
 
If she still is a mormon I don't know, she didn't marry a member, and in spite of taking out her endowments... She was smart enough not to wear the dreaded "g's" when she was remarried a few years ago. I think she got what she needed at the time, from the church.... But she isn't, and hasn't been a public figure for them, for a very long time.  Like many of us, the romance probably ended years ago!
 
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When ever she bore her testimony, she always pointed out the fact that the church gave her comfort during a lot of loss she had in her immediate family. I remember her brother died, or was killed shortly before or after she converted.
 
I think there comes a time in every persons life who is mormon that uses the church as a crutch for comfort.  I really wanted to believe in the life after death and eternal family.  Mormonism preys on the emotional weakness durings such times of stress in a persons life.  We all need to feel succored...NO PUN intended!  Some members in the church can provide a feeling of nurture and caring to others..to mourn with those that mourn and comfort those that stand in need of comfort.  This is not exclusive to LDS.  
 
What makes us feel better about ourselves in our environment, within our family, our community and place in society?  I believe it's instinctive to want to feel part of the tribe and belong. When we do, we are at peace as long as we can live authentic and be ourselves with full acceptance from peers. 


   


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I think there comes a time in every persons life who is mormon that uses the church as a crutch for comfort.  I really wanted to believe in the life after death and eternal family.  Mormonism preys on the emotional weakness durings such times of stress in a persons life.  We all need to feel succored...NO PUN intended!  Some members in the church can provide a feeling of nurture and caring to others..to mourn with those that mourn and comfort those that stand in need of comfort.  This is not exclusive to LDS.  
 
What makes us feel better about ourselves in our environment, within our family, our community and place in society?  I believe it's instinctive to want to feel part of the tribe and belong. When we do, we are at peace as long as we can live authentic and be ourselves with full acceptance from peers. 
Absolutely. Such good sense. I think everyone goes through something like Mormonism -- if not Mormonism itself. Does anyone doubt that had he not been killed, Malcolm X would have moved on from surprisingly similar Islam?
 
Maybe because I lived through the seventies, I think of people joining the Moonies or Hare Krishnas, then running off to an EST seminar to put themselves back together or taking up Primal Screaming. All of it every bit as embarrassing as Mormonism, and all in search of comfort and community. And of course if you end up involved with organized crime (the Black Muslims), much more dangerous. 
 
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Posted: 24 September 2009 11:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]   

   
 
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I understood one or more of her children were members and encouraged her to take the discussions.  If I remember right New Attitude helped with a concert Gladys did in her area.  Maybe she will chime in when she gets home from the wedding with some interesting information.    

   


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Not that it adds much to the discussion at hand, but . . . My partner went to Catholic school in Detroit with Gladys Knight's kids. (As my partner says, "Back when she was a Catholic.)
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Posted: 25 September 2009 12:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]   

   
 
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But she isn't, and hasn't been a public figure for them, for a very long time.  Like many of us, the romance probably ended years ago!
 
 
She did a "fireside" concert in my stake just a few months ago. They announced it for months beforehand and even specifically said, "If you have any African American friends, this would be a good event to bring them to." You had to have tickets and I'm sure if you said you'd bring a friend -- especially an African-American friend -- they'd hand them over quickly. I didn't care about attending, but I heard it was standing room only.


   


            
 
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I posted this inquiry over at RfM, but I'm not getting much help.  Has anyone been to one of the firesides that Gladys Knight does with her choir? There's one coming up in my area and I love good gospel music, but I don't like missionary activities.  I understand that these firesides are pretty heavy with a "You should join this church" kind of message.  If I attend, will I be glad I did?
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Maturin:
I posted this inquiry over at RfM, but I'm not getting much help.  Has anyone been to one of the firesides that Gladys Knight does with her choir? There's one coming up in my area and I love good gospel music, but I don't like missionary activities.  I understand that these firesides are pretty heavy with a "You should join this church" kind of message.  If I attend, will I be glad I did?
 
I don't know. Are the pimps pips gonna be there too?
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Not a clue. I'm holding out for the Bachman Turner Overdrive Post Mo concert series, hosted by Katherine Heigl.
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I am post-mo, my wife is still mo. She invited a couple of our non member friends (who are very involved in their baptist church) to this. We went and ended up walking out. My very mormon wife was embarrassed as to how "in your face" it was with missionary work. It was really long too, we stayed for 2 hours and from what I hear it went on for another 45 minutes. From the time we were there it was about 45 minutes music and the rest testimony, and not very good testimony at that. I felt like the message was "it's ok to be black and mormon". It was so bad that my wife, again who is very mormon, apologized to our friends for bringing them to something like that. In my opinion, do not waste your time.
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I am post-mo, my wife is still mo. She invited a couple of our non member friends (who are very involved in their baptist church) to this. We went and ended up walking out. My very mormon wife was embarrassed as to how "in your face" it was with missionary work. It was really long too, we stayed for 2 hours and from what I hear it went on for another 45 minutes. From the time we were there it was about 45 minutes music and the rest testimony, and not very good testimony at that. I felt like the message was "it's ok to be black and mormon". It was so bad that my wife, again who is very mormon, apologized to our friends for bringing them to something like that. In my opinion, do not waste your time.
 Thanks, rgb.  That's the impression I've gotten as I've heard it announced and promoted at church.  My wife is bringing a friend who really enjoys music, but I fear that she will not be too happy with the message.  For myself, I think maybe I'll just listen to the CD.
 
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Does Gladys promote a book, record or does the Stake pay her to do this? hum!!!!
 
I forgot - money is not involved.
 
Where is Donny and Marie - I heard she had gotten skinny and available for a new g wearing man.


   


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Does Gladys promote a book, record or does the Stake pay her to do this? hum!!!!
 
I forgot - money is not involved.
 
Where is Donny and Marie - I heard she had gotten skinny and available for a new g wearing man.
 
Yeah, and which husband will this be for her now?????  Good gravy!


   


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I have been to one, here in Las Vegas.
 
There will be musical instruments in the chapel that are not normally allowed.
It was a full house, missionaries and their investigators, members all mixed together. The missionaries were told not to take the limited seats, so they stood on the sides of the chapel/gym. The looked like ushers, which I guess they were.
Then the crowd is instructed to stand and clap as the choir comes in, walking from all the way in the back to the front. Gladys, of course, comes in last.  The clapping was quite loud, and it was quite a scene. Very rock concert-ish.
 
Then opening prayer, music, talks, testimonies, and a very heavy dose of recruiting messages. "we have the truth" "come share our joy" "god is here with us""the special feeling you have felt while being here is the spirit, telling you our message is true".....stuff like that.
 
Testimony from Gladys, her husband (who was quite funny) and an institute director who is close to Gladys and acts as the master of ceremonies.
 
The most embarrassing part of the night was when the stake president closed the fireside with this gem of a comment.  He said "It's a good thing I was seated next to ______________ so he could help me keep in time with the music"
Of course _____________ was black.
 
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For all her efforts to bring new souls to the Celestial Kingdom, and more money into the coffers of MoInc, Glady deserves at least to know what she did in the pre-existence to warrant her curse. She was cursed, right? I mean, she has the mark of Cain - the skin of blackness - and was born well before 1978, after all. Clearly, she had to have been less valiant in the pre-existence. She also deserves to know why she has yet to become white and delightsome again. It worked for the ancient Lamanites.
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There will be musical instruments in the chapel that are not normally allowed...Then the crowd is instructed to stand and clap as the choir comes in, walking from all the way in the back to the front.
 
Yeah, I can see how uncomfortable member's would be with this setup...seeing how everything else they put on is incredible dull without modern music or the ability to clap.
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Posted: 21 April 2008 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]   

   
 
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Wow... I wish I had read this thread before I went to one of these yesterday!!
 
I have to say, it was worth going just to hear Gladys sing the little bit that she did. She is phenomenal -- and a beautiful person, which came through very clearly.
 
But I left with a very sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and anger burning. I wonder if she has any idea of the true nature of what she's representing, and how they're using her, and I am sure at least 25% of the audience had no idea what they were in for, vis a vis the strong missionary push.
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Posted: 21 April 2008 02:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]   

   
 
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JillOut:
Wow... I wish I had read this thread before I went to one of these yesterday!!
 
I have to say, it was worth going just to hear Gladys sing the little bit that she did. She is phenomenal -- and a beautiful person, which came through very clearly.
 
But I left with a very sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and anger burning. I wonder if she has any idea of the true nature of what she's representing, and how they're using her, and I am sure at least 25% of the audience had no idea what they were in for, vis a vis the strong missionary push.
JillOut, you must live close by.  My son, daughter-in-law, and daughter attended the 8:00 show last night.  Everything I heard along the way was pretty accurate...great music, some funny stuff in the talks, but an absolutely unabashed message re: "the one and only true church."  Hearing that description, in spite of my love of music, I decided not to attend...I'm glad I wasn't there.  They, on the other hand, thought it was great.  They admitted that it was a very strong push toward the church, but they thought people took it in stride.  If the Baltimore Stake has droves of baptisms because of it, I guess we'll know.  I kind of doubt that's likely.  There's too much church stuff to accept beyond Gladys Knight's message.
 
In all fairness, though, I know at least in the Susquehanna Ward, an announcement was read for a couple of weeks about the purpose of the fireside.  I think I remember the phrase "...strong missionary message..." in the description and they specifically cautioned against referring to this as a Gladys Knight concert.  Chances are good that the kind of reaction you had to the event (and I would have had if I had gone) is pretty common.  If people paid attention in sacrament meeting, they should have been able to prepare their non-member friends about it.
 
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Posted: 21 April 2008 02:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]   

   
 
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I'm in the DC area, I'm glad to hear there are more of us out here!
 
All I know is, I wasn't warned. I was told to expect "a little bit of testimony sharing," not 45 minutes of it, with about the same amount of time devoted to the music. And I can't say because I don't know first-hand how it was presented, but I doubt the members of congregations of other churches who were given tickets were adequately warned; if so, I can't imagine that they would have come. I thought it was going to be a musical celebration of our common faith with a little Mormon flava mixed in; instead, it just seemed like a poaching expedition. Not a good way for the Morg to build good will in the larger Christian community, if you ask me.
 
Like I said, it was worth it to me to hear her sing, and the choir, in fairness, kicked a$$. But I was still left feeling a bit sick and angry; I have a hangover today, even.
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For all her efforts to bring new souls to the Celestial Kingdom, and more money into the coffers of MoInc, Glady deserves at least to know what she did in the pre-existence to warrant her curse. She was cursed, right? I mean, she has the mark of Cain - the skin of blackness - and was born well before 1978, after all. Clearly, she had to have been less valiant in the pre-existence. She also deserves to know why she has yet to become white and delightsome again. It worked for the ancient Lamanites.
 
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