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Maybe the question should be directed to Marie's parents, did they advocate for gay rights?? What did they teach her about being "accepting" of everyone?? (Don't think they would have survived long in the business if they'd been raising hugely bigoted children.)
Do you think her parents were a little bit country or a little bit rock-and-roll?
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Posted: 22 May 2009 12:02 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 26 ]
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Now that is the question!!!
Actually, they first were "barber-shop" (Andy Williams Show) then morphed.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 12:57 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 27 ]
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activists in the GLBTQ community have a startegy regarding coming out -and that strategy states that more people will support GLBTQ causes when they actually know someone who is gay. When you find out someone you know is gay is not the horrible demon once portrayed by the religious right your attitude often is more open. we are seeing that more and more. Marie is another example of that. She will also be an example t many LDS parents though i'm sure many LDS parents are passing hideous judgement on her.
I've seen this first hand.
An acquaintance of mine, who is somewhat religious (not mormon), told me he felt conflicted over Prop.8. But he voted against it because he knows and likes me and my partner. He told me his vote was for us. He did it in spite of what his church said. I thought that was one of the most generous gifts I'd ever been given.
My hat's off to Marie. She loves her daughter more than her dogma.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 01:06 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 28 ]
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We can't support everything and everyone isn't political. We all have causes we support. Due to the constraints of time and money, we can't support everything we'd like. I haven't been active in support of gay marriage although I do believe in it. I do support other causes that are closer to my heart. That doesn't make me anti gay or a bigot anymore than you not supporting the causes I believe in makes you anti whatever.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 02:57 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 29 ]
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activists in the GLBTQ community have a startegy regarding coming out -and that strategy states that more people will support GLBTQ causes when they actually know someone who is gay. When you find out someone you know is gay is not the horrible demon once portrayed by the religious right your attitude often is more open. we are seeing that more and more. Marie is another example of that. She will also be an example t many LDS parents though i'm sure many LDS parents are passing hideous judgement on her.
That's been my experience with some of the people around here. Some like to just ignore it and make no comment, others agree with her, and still others scorn her for it. I think it just makes what she's doing all the more admirable.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 05:56 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 30 ]
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When I saw her on ET the other night I was a little mixed.
I've always been a Marie fan. (Donnie not so much as he lacks any real depth of character when he sings... like a sweet loveable smiley happy clone)
I thought it was great to see her support her daughter.
She said she was Christian and Jesus would love, etc
Then my husband and I wondered how she could justify the above with her own Mormon religions doctrines on a strong stand against gay relationships.
How does her mind claim she's Christian and grasp an idea of Christs actions and yet come to terms with the very true fact that Mormonism doesn't embrace homosexuality in the same way she just stated.
Maybe this is an opening for her to recognize the differences?
Maybe not.
Time will tell how strong the mormon program is and if it does battle with her definitions of Christ which on this point are very different in detail and application to life within mormonism.
I'm rooting for Marie to see the differences and represent strongly on the differences.
...it might happen....
although I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 06:13 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 31 ]
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...Then my husband and I wondered how she could justify the above with her own Mormon religions doctrines on a strong stand against gay relationships. How does her mind claim she's Christian and grasp an idea of Christs actions and yet come to terms with the very true fact that Mormonism doesn't embrace homosexuality in the same way she just stated.
...although I'm not holding my breath.
Simple, in a very mentally unhealthy way. You know the ropes, once you become sort of familiar with some of the minor inconsistencies and then the greater lies, involving the continuously deceptive practices encountered on a nearly daily basis. By using nearly celebrity super human powers to insulate the dodging reality from the rest of your personal, not only disastrously upsetting, but potentially lethal world of coming crisis, it soon seems simple and easy.
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as i've stated before -hurray for Marie and my energy and love go to her for taking this stand.
I am wondering about the daughter. Is she/was she a mormon? if so, what will the church do to her? what effect will all that have?
any thoughts anyone?
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as i've stated before -hurray for Marie and my energy and love go to her for taking this stand.
I am wondering about the daughter. Is she/was she a mormon? if so, what will the church do to her? what effect will all that have?
any thoughts anyone?
If this is reliable (add salt), then I don't think she's that active.
"Marie always envisioned Jessica being active in the Mormon church, going on a mission somewhere, marrying a great guy and giving her lost of grandchildren, but it's doubtful that's ever going to happen. Jessica and her partner consider themselves married, even though the haven't had an official ceremony. They've been together for about three years now and seem to be pretty happy," said a family insider.
When Jessica was 21, she and her then 16-year-old sister Rachel posted sexual explicit statements on their Myspace pages. Jessica posted that she was bi-sexual and wants to have sex "as many times as possible"; Rachel described herself as a "slut" and a "whore" who fantasized about David Bowie. (Rachel has since curtailed her slutty ways.)
"Marie just doesn't understand Jessica's lifestyle and it upsets her. She tries not to be too critical and often has to bite her tongue when they're together. Still, they've gotten into a lot of heated arguments," the insider said.
That's from a couple of months ago.
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Who knows...Marie could be "tweetering" here....(Waves to Marie.) Seriously...don't think Marie is going to be downing the church or it's policies any time soon...too many "religious" brothers, and honoring her father/mother and their thick mormon family. (Remember...she's had two divorces...not exactly the "prime" of LDS thinking at best....(woman are supposed to just sit and take it.)
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Joan:
...Then my husband and I wondered how she could justify the above with her own Mormon religions doctrines on a strong stand against gay relationships. How does her mind claim she's Christian and grasp an idea of Christs actions and yet come to terms with the very true fact that Mormonism doesn't embrace homosexuality in the same way she just stated.
...although I'm not holding my breath.
Simple, in a very mentally unhealthy way. You know the ropes, once you become sort of familiar with some of the minor inconsistencies and then the greater lies, involving the continuously deceptive practices encountered on a nearly daily basis. By using nearly celebrity super human powers to insulate the dodging reality from the rest of your personal, not only disastrously upsetting, but potentially lethal world of coming crisis, it soon seems simple and easy.
How did I forget. How could I?
I don't think I forgot so much as I occasionally am aware of putting quite a barrier between my new self and old self that sometimes it's difficult for me to cross back over to figure it out. Sometimes I identify easily. This time apparently I didn't.
But you're right, and I did the same thing in my own life with a lot of ease and conviction. I didn't look for it to make any sense if it was going to cast the church in a bad light. I always looked for ways to bend everything back to justify Mormonism in any way I could.
And of course the corporation isn't likely to slap the O's down when Marie is a big tithe payer and the O's are celeb missionary member image boosters on E.T. every other week. ((as much as I;ve always enjoyed Marie I can't for the life of me fiure out why on earth they showcase the Osmonds so much. Their a 70's has been group who are E, no F listers at best and unless the corp or buena vista entertainment own E.Tonight and allow the O's to get mo coverage it's all beyond me. That's not the point of this thread but I've always been curious about it.
Anyway, I wish them all the best b/c I know how hard it was when I had to rearrange my mind to understand love in a very different way than I'd ever been taught in mormonism. It's not easy and good luck to them all.
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As I was driving through Detroit today, I heard an ad for Gladys Knight who will be singing at the Caesar's Windsor Casino in the near future. There was an addendum to the ad which stated attendees must be 19 or older to attend.
Hold on! I know I've been couseled to stay clear of casinos, but Sister Knight can perform at one? Didn't anyone counsel her not to for fear of PR damage to the tscc? Just curious
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