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Marie Osmond talks about her daughter….on E.T.
Posted: 21 May 2009 01:10 AM [ Ignore ]
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"So what if my daughter is a Lesbian....I love her. Why does society have to separate.....???
http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/05/74453/index.html
Look out church....Marie will defend her daughter...the line in the sand is drawn.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 03:43 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 1 ]
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Kudos to her. As she said, Christ loved everyone ... why can't we just do that?
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Posted: 21 May 2009 03:54 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 2 ]
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Yahoo Marie!!!
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Posted: 21 May 2009 04:00 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 3 ]
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Marie has proved she follows her heart, not some bigoted religion.
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”I’ve begun worshiping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate.” George Carlin
Posted: 21 May 2009 04:53 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 4 ]
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Yahoo Marie!!!
TruthR, did you know that Marie Osmond was once heavy-set like Oprah?
(Oh boy, why did I even open my mouth...here comes another beating!)
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Posted: 21 May 2009 05:14 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 5 ]
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Yahoo Marie!!!
TruthR, did you know that Marie Osmond was once heavy-set like Oprah?
(Oh boy, why did I even open my mouth...here comes another beating!)
(and not the kissy, kissy version)
You are a gluten for punishment Mr. Jack.
And yes, if you watch the video provided on this thread, Marie says she has lost 50 pounds.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 08:05 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 6 ]
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Bravo to her! It warms the heart to hear parents sticking up for their homosexual/genderqueer/transgender children, especially when they're part of a religious organization.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 11:46 AM [ Ignore ] [ # 7 ]
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That's awesome! Maybe my mom will see this and remember that she once felt the same way about me.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 12:52 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 8 ]
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That's awesome! Maybe my mom will see this and remember that she once felt the same way about me.
Oh JustThinkin , That completely and totally sucks. I hope one day she will see the light. You know, Marie does like to adopt.....you're never too old to be adopted......it's worth a try.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 12:57 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 9 ]
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I lived in Marie's ward for a few years and she was my visiting teacher for a while. I am SO proud of her. I have been so pleased with the way she has handled herself. So many mormon women have admiration and respect for Marie, I hope this might make at least some of them stop and think about their own views on the subject.
Posted: 21 May 2009 03:36 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 10 ]
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I have always liked Marie Osmond. I think she's classy, funny as hell and tough as nails. I hope other LDS mothers of gay children follow her example!
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Posted: 21 May 2009 03:53 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 11 ]
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Another famous person's mother is Ellen DeGeneres' mother...who has always loved her daughter unconditionally. She isn't Morg, but has set the example for all parents of gay children....a great person.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 04:07 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 12 ]
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That's awesome! Maybe my mom will see this and remember that she once felt the same way about me.
Oh JustThinkin , That completely and totally sucks. I hope one day she will see the light. You know, Marie does like to adopt.....you're never too old to be adopted......it's worth a try.
I suspect Marie has a lot more money to pass on than my parents do. Wait, though --- too many children have to split it. Besides, she's my age -- that'd just be weird. Now if she'd like to become my sugar mama. . . nah - not my type.
As for Mom -- I suspect she's displaying some incipient mental aging issues and that what I'm seeing now are real feelings that she's been considerately hiding. She gets props for years of good intentions and forgiveness for age getting the better of her.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 05:53 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 13 ]
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MsGabbieu:
I have always liked Marie Osmond. I think she's classy, funny as hell and tough as nails. I hope other LDS mothers of gay children follow her example!
I like Marie Osmond too and it is admirable that she is supporting her gay daughter. But as I mentioned in another thread several months ago, there is still the $64 Million Dollar Question:
Would Marie Osmond be as dogmatic and outspoken and supportive of gay rights if she did not have any children who were gay?
Perhaps I am being cynical, but I think the answer is no. Why mix it up with the Church if you don't have to. She has a vested interest in doing so now, because of her daughter. It is difficult for the Church to criticize her for supporting her child.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 05:55 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 14 ]
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Except she's in the "biz" and is surrounded by gay people, and knows how kind and wonderful they are....probably more so than the "lay" membership of the church. So the answer could also be "yes"....
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Posted: 21 May 2009 06:01 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 15 ]
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Tessa:
Except she's in the "biz" and is surrounded by gay people, and knows how kind and wonderful they are....probably more so than the "lay" membership of the church. So the answer could also be "yes"....
The answer could definitely be "yes." However, she has been in show business for over 40 years and up until now has been silent on gay rights. Everyone knows who the Hollywood celebrities are who champion gay rights and Marie Osmond has not been one of them. Until now.
Just saying...
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Posted: 21 May 2009 06:16 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 16 ]
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She could have also "banned" her daughter from the home and been a "stiff-necked" mormon....she didn't. Wonder how many non-mormon show-biz folks stand up for gay rights?
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Posted: 21 May 2009 07:03 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 17 ]
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MsGabbieu:
I have always liked Marie Osmond. I think she's classy, funny as hell and tough as nails. I hope other LDS mothers of gay children follow her example!
I like Marie Osmond too and it is admirable that she is supporting her gay daughter. But as I mentioned in another thread several months ago, there is still the $64 Million Dollar Question:
Would Marie Osmond be as dogmatic and outspoken and supportive of gay rights if she did not have any children who were gay?
Perhaps I am being cynical, but I think the answer is no. Why mix it up with the Church if you don't have to. She has a vested interest in doing so now, because of her daughter. It is difficult for the Church to criticize her for supporting her child.
I think it is a little unfair to blame her for not speaking out for gay rights until she has a vested interest. I think this is something that happens to us all on a variety of subjects. Until we have walked in anothers' shoes and seen the other side of the issue, we often keep our opinions to ourselves.
For example - until I became an ExMo....it never occurred to me what an ExMo endured, especially an ExMo living in the land of Zion where LDS, Inc. influenced laws for all to live under. I was not able to see the other side. No doubt this has given Marie a chance to see the other side firsthand, and that always provides a new perspective.
It is a heartbreaking reality that many LDS parents reject their gay children, and their rejection is supported by the church and it's members. I applaud Marie Osmond for publicly supporting her gay daughter instead doing what so many others have done and rejected her completely.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 07:07 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 18 ]
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I think it is a little unfair to blame her for not speaking out for gay rights until she has a vested interest.
There are many people who are never "put-to-the-test" on how they feel about gay rights, until they have children who are, have friends who are, have husbands/wives who are...(Carol Lynn Pearson comes to mind.) It's how they react and accept/reject that's truly important. Most people don't sit around and discuss sexuality all day....contrary to rumor.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 07:16 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 19 ]
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I think it is a little unfair to blame her for not speaking out for gay rights until she has a vested interest.
There are many people who are never "put-to-the-test" on how they feel about gay rights, until they have children who are, have friends who are, have husbands/wives who are...(Carol Lynn Pearson comes to mind.) It's how they react and accept/reject that's truly important. Most people don't sit around and discuss sexuality all day....contrary to rumor.
Why not?
Actually I agree with you. Marie didn't publicly stand up for gay rights until recently but I don't fault her for that. I admire people that don't need a vested interest to stand up for another person's human rights but that is actually quite rare.
There are dozens of important causes in the world that I am doing next to nothing about partly because I don't have a personal connection. For example, I think what is happening in Darfur is horrible but I haven't done much about it. If I knew someone affected personally, I might become more motivated. Most people need a vested interest to act.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 07:29 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 20 ]
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Most people need a vested interest to act.
Thinking of all the actors/rich-and-famous who suddenly are working for "Autism Research" because they have children with the syndrome.
Even Jesus reacted to the human conditions he observed...the woman had to "touch" him before she was healed.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 08:00 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 21 ]
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jackfitzzzzz:
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I have always liked Marie Osmond. I think she's classy, funny as hell and tough as nails. I hope other LDS mothers of gay children follow her example!
I like Marie Osmond too and it is admirable that she is supporting her gay daughter. But as I mentioned in another thread several months ago, there is still the $64 Million Dollar Question:
Would Marie Osmond be as dogmatic and outspoken and supportive of gay rights if she did not have any children who were gay?
Perhaps I am being cynical, but I think the answer is no. Why mix it up with the Church if you don't have to. She has a vested interest in doing so now, because of her daughter. It is difficult for the Church to criticize her for supporting her child.
I think it is a little unfair to blame her for not speaking out for gay rights until she has a vested interest. I think this is something that happens to us all on a variety of subjects. Until we have walked in anothers' shoes and seen the other side of the issue, we often keep our opinions to ourselves.
I'm not "blaming" Marie Osmond for anything. I'm simply pointing out that, with over 40 years in show business and having been exposed to more gay people than the average Mormon, Marie Osmond has not been a gay rights advocate. If you disagree with that then simply respond and say, "I think you're wrong Jack, Marie Osmond has been a gay rights advocate for years and the fact that her daughter is gay has nothing to do with her support of gay rights...Marie has always strongly and vocally supported gay rights."
ORANGE ABOVE: Is it your opinion that Marie has always held strong opinions for gay rights but choose to keep her opinions to herself until it hit home when her own daughter came out? I trying to think what might have influenced Marie not to speak out for gay rights even though she may have held strong gay rights beliefs?
Could Marie simply have kept quiet knowing that her Church considers gay people to be sick demonic sinners (that can be "cured"). What does that say about her.
My opinion is that the only reason that Marie is vocal now is because of her daughter. She had 40 years to speak out for the gay cause and not a word came out of her mouth. Now she's all onboard with "they are people just like the rest of us."
Again, I still think she should be commended for supporting her daughter. Many parents, both inside the Church and out, would not and have not done the same.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 08:29 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 22 ]
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I'm not "blaming" Marie Osmond for anything. I'm simply pointing out that, with over 40 years in show business and having been exposed to more gay people than the average Mormon, Marie Osmond has not been a gay rights advocate. If you disagree with that then simply respond and say, "I think you're wrong Jack, Marie Osmond has been a gay rights advocate for years and the fact that her daughter is gay has nothing to do with her support of gay rights...Marie has always strongly and vocally supported gay rights."
ORANGE ABOVE: Is it your opinion that Marie has always held strong opinions for gay rights but choose to keep her opinions to herself until it hit home when her own daughter came out? I trying to think what might have influenced Marie not to speak out for gay rights even though she may have held strong gay rights beliefs?
Could Marie simply have kept quiet knowing that her Church considers gay people to be sick demonic sinners (that can be "cured"). What does that say about her.
My opinion is that the only reason that Marie is vocal now is because of her daughter. She had 40 years to speak out for the gay cause and not a word came out of her mouth. Now she's all onboard with "they are people just like the rest of us."
Again, I still think she should be commended for supporting her daughter. Many parents, both inside the Church and out, would not and have not done the same.
Jack.....I think you missed my point. For many of us imperfect humans, until we have a vested interest in a social issue, we usually don't have an opinion that we express publicly if it is in contradiction to our religious beliefs. Even harder to do if you are in the public eye and everyone knows your religious affiliation. I share your opinion that the only reason she is speaking out now is because her daughter is gay....I'm just not holding it against her that she didn't feel so inclined to become a gay rights activist before now. I'm assuming she has privately supported her daughter for years. I am also assuming the reason why she chose now to speak publicly about gay rights is because the tabloids are involved and she probably didn't want them making up stories about her NOT supporting her daughter.
Maybe 30 years ago she believed homosexuality was a sin (given her religious upbringing it's possible) and maybe now she realizes sexual orientation shouldn't be a reason to limit civil rights. As we go through life, we learn, we grow, and guess what...sometimes we change our opinions. This very well could be the case for her.
Why turn the good thing she has done - supporting her gay daughter publicly DESPITE her religious upbringing - into a negative? What purpose does that serve?
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Posted: 21 May 2009 09:13 PM [ Ignore ] [ # 23 ]
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activists in the GLBTQ community have a startegy regarding coming out -and that strategy states that more people will support GLBTQ causes when they actually know someone who is gay. When you find out someone you know is gay is not the horrible demon once portrayed by the religious right your attitude often is more open. we are seeing that more and more. Marie is another example of that. She will also be an example t many LDS parents though i'm sure many LDS parents are passing hideous judgement on her.
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Maybe the question should be directed to Marie's parents, did they advocate for gay rights?? What did they teach her about being "accepting" of everyone?? (Don't think they would have survived long in the business if they'd been raising hugely bigoted children.)
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