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Our neighbor across the street is a nice guy and we've always been cordial since we moved here eight years ago. Not close, not friends exactly, but cordial. He comes over sometimes to ask if Don can help him fix something. He's plowed our driveway for us in the winters. Nice, decent guy. Well, Mom told me recently that he's been studying with the dubs and going to meetings semi-regularly. Our neighbor works swing shifts so meetings are apparently hit and miss. I had no idea. Mom said he's been studying (sort of) for three or four years now. The question is, would it be out of line for me to say something to him about the dubs? Tell him why I left? He's never asked and maybe he doesn't even know I used to be a Witness. We don't generally talk except to say hi. Our neighbor as never tried to 'witness' to us, which is good thing! Given how long he's been studying without getting baptized, maybe he isn't even serious. I don't want to be a nosey neighbor but I'd hate to see a nice guy get sucked in deeper. Any thoughts?
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Maybe do some "incidental unwitnessing" sometime. Engage him in some form of conversation when it's convenient... and the subject may arise without him thinking you are deliberately challenging him. Also, remember you don't have to do anything... I wonder too how serious he is if he's been studying for 2 or 3 years. Interesting situation.
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Best left alone. Too close to home, and not your issue.
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will drive him deeper, and will cause division in the neighbourhood.
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I say play it by ear. I had a student once and a few times when I went to their house there were magazines and some other JW publications on the coffee table. It made me crazy not saying anything but that was not what I was there for so I kept my mouth shut. But, when the subject of my grandchild came up (this right around when my daughter started shunning me) I laid it out why I hadn't seen my grandson. I then mentioned that I'd seen JW literature and asked if they were studying. To my relief they had already decided it was not for them and what I told them just sealed it further. Use your discretion but I hope an opportunity comes up to say something.
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I have been finding out from my own efforts that Bible Studies are often anywhere from 2 to 5 years. In fact someone getting baptized after just six months of study is a very rare thing. In order
to prepare for Baptism the person being baptized has to be able to answer a lot of questions. It takes time to learn all that. If you weren't born in then it's understandable that it could take years
to grasp all the information. I will say when I first heard from a Jehovah's witness that it would take me awhile to learn everything I needed to know. I was like why? I don't have that kind of time.
If you can't tell me quickly what I need to know...then how I am saved?? What if something happened to me tomorrow??
If this guy has been going for several years it actually shows me (from a non-JW point of view) that he is more serious about actually joining than not. He is taking the time out to try and learn
everything that is needed in order to be able to get baptized. Hopefully I am wrong...and he isn't serious about joining. I am just sharing my point of view based upon what I have learned myself
these past few months. People do take years to learn some basic concepts. Look at how many times we had the same basic math concepts in Kindergarten to 3rd Grade. If you don't grow up
in the JW religion it can take years to become proficient enough to answer the Baptism questions. It's a lot of questions that are asked...so it takes time to learn the answers. Not to mention the
fact that you also have to go door to door witnessing. And you have to become an ideal witness following rules and attending meetings.. Yes, I actually am more concerned with people who
have been studying awhile. Why? Because doing things as a gradual indoctrination of the JW's beliefs sinks in more and makes it harder to de-program them. The goal is to recruit and keep them in.
If he does know that you used to be a Jehovah's witness since you said you weren't sure if he knows you were or not. He isn't going to share the fact that he is studying with them. The Studies are
warned very thoroughly about the fact that anyone they tell is going to have a problem with the fact they are studying with JW's. And it's true I know I did when my friend told me she was studying.
I don't have anything good to say yet do I? lol. The good news is if he isn't baptized yet it will be easier to share what you know then after he is baptized. I think that if you get a chance to
say something to him. I would definitely give it a shot. I would keep it as a casual conversation type of thing. If it were me and I got the opportunity to talk to my neighbor. If he tells me
that he is studying with the Jehovah's witnesses the first thing I would do is ask him "Why are you studying with them?" And then based upon the answer I would share what I know.
For example if my neighbor says "I like the family atmosphere." I would repsond with "yes everybody is your brother or sister. What do you have to do in order to be loved by everyone in
the congregation?" That leads to other questions and then you can eventually move in for the kill and explain why it isn't a good idea to join based on their concept of "family." I think I would stay away from
the fact that you used to be JW simply because all Studies are warned that the outside world will try to talk them out of studying. And we all know how JW's feel about ex-JW's...best not to bring that up
unless you think he can handle hearing it.
Yes, if you get a chance to chat with your neighbor about the fact that he is studying with the Jehovah's witness then definitely say something if you think he is open to hearing it. Wait for the
opportunity to present itself. I do hope the opportunity presents itself. I would hate to see a nice guy get sucked into something that isn't "nice."
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What I never understood, is if a congregation 'owes' the Borg money for their hall, and after several/many years that congregation finally pay off said hall — why is it that the Borg still owns it? Shouldn't the cong now own it?
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Good caption for the Washtower Punkie! I had a good laugh.
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What I never understood, is if a congregation 'owes' the Borg money for their hall, and after several/many years that congregation finally pay off said hall — why is it that the Borg still owns it? Shouldn't the cong now own it?
The WBT$ own the property and can sell it, when they want more cash for the the GB, to look after their precious paedophiles. Check out Menlo Park Kingdom Hell. It's amazing the amount of actual money scams the WBT$ plays on the JWs. All the cutbacks that affect the JWs....yet they still don't wake up. The WBT$ eally HAS got them under mind control. Where do you start with it? Oh, welcome to el forumo, enjoy your time here.
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Paint jobs on some familiar magazines and 'dublications' of the washtowel are kept here >> http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/topic/17962/Some-Familiar-Publications-given-the-paint-job
I wish to see the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses(R) put on trial for crimes against humanity and face absolute justice. Why? Consider the un-Biblical an dangerous 'Blood doctrine', Shunning and the protection of paedophiles and you may see why I feel this way.
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I do hope my brother sees crap like this for what it is and wakes up.
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Why don’t they just downsize to keep within their means...and keep doing it until everything is sold and nothing remains?
A long aquaintance with the literature of the Witnesses leads one to the conclusion that they live in the intellectual ‘twilight zone’.
Alan Rogerson, Millions now Living will NeverDie: A Study of Jehovah’s Witnesses, (p116 Constable, London 1969).
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I popped in the living room as my parents were watching this crap. I stuck around for a bit in awe of the sheer idiocy of the whole thing. My mind was basically blown. I can't believe people actually buy into it. Especially with the way Lett speaks. He's so condescending. His delivery is like he's speaking to kindergarteners. I can't handle it, I wanted to throw up after.
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If they sold all the Kingdom Halls what would be next? Would they just have the meetings at people's houses or do you think the sale of all Kingdom Halls would be enough to get people to quit
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The new governing body tv program has Lett admitting that the money planned to go out is less than what is coming in, and is asking the sheep to give of their valuable things. You can read about it on Cedars' blog. Cedars will be doing a video discussing it in the next week or so, but he wrote a good article about it. Interesting that they are saying they aren't doing well financially. I was thinking, maybe what's going out isn't matching the contributions coming in, but they still have lots in the bank and in real estate. He said the circuit overseers are reporting that the flock thinks they are doing great with all of their real estate sales in New York and therefore they don't need to donate as much as they did before. I imagine it's just a matter of more and more waking up, and even if they stay in for families sake, they won't be donating. I think it's good news if they really are experiencing a significant drop in donations.
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Good. I hope it gets worse.
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Thanks Cacky. At last the paedophile protecting popes are admitting it's all about money...in a funny sort of way. Isn't it a shame that the average JW can't see it. I hope their evil empire is crumbling. It won't be yet..but fingers crossed.
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I just finished reading the article...and this is the part that got to me the most!
As already reported by this website, a full unabridged reading of the letters to elders dated March 29 and May 12, 2014 reveals that Watchtower has not stopped congregations from sending in money under the new arrangement. Rather, it has insisted that at least the same amount of money be sent through each month for congregations who were already paying off debts, and that congregations without debts should start sending in money each month as though they were in debt! (Excerpt from Cedar's Blog)
I don't know how the average JW thinks. But, if I was a member of a Kingdom Hall with NO debt...why would I want to start sending money in as if I was in debt??
Does the GB think people will give more? I certainly hope people don't start giving more. I do hope it gets worse.
Thank you Cacky for sharing the article.
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Even when I was in, I didn't give them my money. There were times when I had to scrape to meet my own needs. My thought was always that a loving god would want people to keep roofs over their heads and feed their kids rather than give money to the Society. Of course, the GB would say that was lack of faith in Jahoovah's ability to take care of the good little dubs. The economy is still rough in so many places and I'm sure many, many dubs are having a rough time making ends meet. And now they're being pressured to give still more.
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Even when I was in, I didn't give them my money. There were times when I had to scrape to meet my own needs. My thought was always that a loving god would want people to keep roofs over their heads and feed their kids rather than give money to the Society. Of course, the GB would say that was lack of faith in Jahoovah's ability to take care of the good little dubs. The economy is still rough in so many places and I'm sure many, many dubs are having a rough time making ends meet. And now they're being pressured to give still more.It's very contradictory sg. If we should have faith in j to take care of our needs shouldn't the society do the same. Why are they asking members for money?
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Good!!! I hope nobody gives them anything!!
This was wording that made me gag - a blast from the past........funny how an everyday word can sound so sinister in their hands...
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Hhmm Okay, am thinking, yes, here is a perfect answer... if the problem is no 'profit' gained from that TV Programme, then they should just shut it down then. I think it is unfair to rely on people's pockets most of them poor, with low-paying-jobs plus the economy of today.. as pillars of strength to that TV Channel. If they had consulted them before hand, as in sit with ALL the congregations in the world beforehand and decide and agree together about starting up a channel, that is understandable. But giving money every month as if in debt... lol, is not fair. When I was in, we used to put it in contribution boxes.... it was supporsed to be a 'voluntary thing' nobody was to know how much you did put in the box... I suppose if they still use the box, those who want to give can put a coin in or a button...
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There have been a couple of articles I've seen that were written off of Cedars' blog article about it. They all mention how Lett talks to the members like someone speaking to kindergarten children. I agree, he is very condescending.
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Right you are, auth. The GB should just pray more for their needs to be met. I really hope my mom doesn't give them anything. She's only a few years from retiring and needs every cent for her own needs. Most of the local dubs are just ordinary, one-paycheck-away-from-homeless folks. Not affluent by any means. Many are elderly. Very, VERY few have money to spare. At least the Catholic Church has resources to offer if someone is down on their luck and needs help. Dubs don't even have that.
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People like my parents and brother that are so indoctrinated will give without a second thought!!!
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Yes, Auth. Why isn't the magic man in the sky looking after them? If it was the 'truth(tm)', the magic sky man would give so much 'cup runneth over' stuff that all JWs would be living in luxury. 'False religion(tm)' springs to mind.
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Do you all remember how we were always being told "We aren't like other religions; we never ask for money"? Which was never true. At the circuit assemblies on Sunday they'd always have a talk where every time there was a mention of how they hadn't quite covered expenses but they were confidant Jahobah would provide. Jahobah my butt! It was the R and F who were expected to take the hint and shell out. Now it seems the GB has dropped even that charade and is flat out demanding money. Do you think they might turn to tithing next? "New light- You must tithe your monthly pittance to the GB."
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Do you all remember how we were always being told "We aren't like other religions; we never ask for money"? Which was never true. At the circuit assemblies on Sunday they'd always have a talk where every time there was a mention of how they hadn't quite covered expenses but they were confidant Jahobah would provide. Jahobah my butt! It was the R and F who were expected to take the hint and shell out. Now it seems the GB has dropped even that charade and is flat out demanding money. Do you think they might turn to tithing next? "New light- You must tithe your monthly pittance to the GB."Funny you would say that sg.
Governing Body instructs congregations to pledge fixed monthly donations
According to the leaked letter, “Congregation and Assembly Halls will no longer be asked to repay a loan.” However, in the elders-only part of the letter, congregations are instructed that their new monthly pledge must be “at least the same amount as the current monthly loan repayment” for congregations repaying loans for building work.
In other words, if your congregation is paying off a kingdom hall build or refurbishment, your loan repayments must effectively continue indefinitely.
If a congregation isn’t already making loan repayments, then a confidential survey is to be taken by passing out slips of paper to determine how much local brothers are willing to pledge.
They want money and they are not beyond shaking down the faithful.
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Why isn't the magic man in the sky looking after them? If it was the 'truth(tm)'
Seems obvious doesn't it? I bet they have some roundabout explanation. Probably something to do with the widow's mite.
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Please be patient with me. The computer guy just came today because everything was a mess and I really missed ya'll jig
What's that word? Tithing? Be sure to donate so much of your income to the church?
Now that the computer is up and running again - seems I have a lot of research to do.
Because of my husband going back to his religion of youth - and he does good things with helping community; I'm not ever going to join any religion that wants to take money from us when we already donate to community.
Who ever this Lett is...if I've read this correctly - kiss my royal ass you fucking hypocrite smiley: madsmiley: mad
Oh, forgot - I'm supposed to ask their forgiveness for having been a typical teenager and didn't beg their forgivenesssmiley: pimpand have been shunned by most of my family for over 40 years.
Wait!smiley: eek now they are doing things that we find offensive. Ya' just gotta love the insanity of the Borg; and remember too be grateful they no longer control us.
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Feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, auth, but what I got from that letter you shared was that publicly JWs are being told they no longer have to repay building loans. Privately however the elders are being told the payments have to continue every month as before, the GB is just calling it something else: 'pledge' instead of 'loan repayment'. The R and F feel good because they think the compassionate GB has let them off the hook when secetly they're still hooked. Have I got that right so far?
On top of that, now JWs are going to be asked to make monthly 'pledges'. Note: "It's not a TITHE! Perish the very thought! It's a PLEDGE!" Same dif. image
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And the congregations that don't owe anything on their buildings are supposed to start, or continue, paying as if they did.
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Lett really does have a strangely affected method of delivery. With him, every expression and gesture seems carefully planned and he comes off like someone leaning over a babys' crib and making faces.
At position 23s in the video at punk's link he speaks of the "privilege to donate funds"! I almost laughed out loud right there. It's such a privilege for JWs to part with their money. Everybody loves that!
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Feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding this, auth, but what I got from that letter you shared was that publicly JWs are being told they no longer have to repay building loans. Privately however the elders are being told the payments have to continue every month as before, the GB is just calling it something else: 'pledge' instead of 'loan repayment'. The R and F feel good because they think the compassionate GB has let them off the hook when secetly they're still hooked. Have I got that right so far?
Yeah, it seems like they're introducing a scheme whereby congregations donate a set amount every month (I think). For congregations paying back loans the loans don't have to be repaid but they'll be "donating" the former loan payment amount forever. I would say it's the difference between six and half of a dozen but at least if they were paying back a loan they'd eventually pay it off. For congregations that don't have loans to repay they'll have to decide how much they can afford to tithe "pledge" each month. Of course, it's a very compassionate and loving provision from the faithful slave.
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Apparently, since they've put this video out, that "donation" arrangement isn't working. lol
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Highway robbery, with guilt as the weapon instead of a gun. I hope the 'donation' arrangement goes down the tubes, Cacky.
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I was in the grocery store and pushed my cart where people who were standing in the pharmacy parted to let me through. I smiled and said, Excuse me. Then I saw an elder and he said hi to me before I said hi to him. He said, How are you guys doing? I think he recognized me as someone he knew but couldn't place me. I've changed in looks since I was a jw, gained weight and now wear my hair short (though I'm now going to grow it out), so I don't think he realized it was me, the apostate. His wife is the one I've mentioned before who has pioneered for 35 years now with absolutely no results, never a bible study, from all those years of pounding the pavement. She's the one who was on my porch with another sister asking about the twins, and when I'd say something to her, she'd just make noises, not open her mouth, like Mmmm, that kind of thing. It was funny at the time. Anyway, I do think he just wasn't sure exactly who I was, but I was surprised he spoke to me. It took me by surprise. I wish I had stopped and started up a conversation with him. It would have been interesting to see what he would have done, with lots of people around, once he recognized who I was. Oh well, I'll have to try to be prepared for that kind of thing in the future.
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She's the one who was on my porch with another sister asking about the twins, and when I'd say something to her, she'd just make noises, not open her mouth, like Mmmm, that kind of thing. It was funny at the time.
Cacky...that little interchange would have won be a cult classic Comedy Gold Award.
Someone needs to write that woman into a script...I have a friend that always says that the best comedy is real life and real people.
I would have cracked up in front of her if it had happened to me!
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Eh...the elder probably has 'insider top secret directives' to 'reach out' to 'those who have strayed from Jehovah'. It might be the latest 'feel important about doing nothing' ploy that those poor guys feed into that the WTS dreams up for them to do. If you run into one of them again, and you happen to be close to the meat aisle, just throw in some blood sausage. They will leave you alone. They have blood phobias.
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Elders are allowed to talk to DF'd and DA'd ones. That's a shame...I don't want them talking to me...unless they're offering me money!
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I will have to say for someone who is pioneering for 35 years with no results...not even a Bible Study. It's actually amazing she is willing to keep hitting the
pavement anyway trying to get results. I guess for some even with no results....will just keep on trying no matter what.
Yes, it can be hard to know what to say when someone you weren't expecting to talk to you...asks How you are doing. I know for myself that I can be thrown
off guard when people ask me questions I wasn't ready for. I am later thinking...ok now I know how I want to answer...lol!
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Lol Cathy.....maybe they have at last decided that you are 'beyond help' smiley: laugh
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HumbleLove, I don't know how it is now. They seem to have gotten more exclusive and stricter in some ways. But to pioneer for all that time without a bible study, back when I was in and the congregation I was in, used to look at it like perhaps some people were simply planting seeds of truth here and there, and that would eventually lead some find "The Truth" somehow. So, everyone who would go out in service or somehow contact people, were valued.
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This particular pioneer, she's a nice enough lady, but she has a stern type of personality. I think she just doesn't come across very nice to the people.
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I can see how the congregation might view what she is doing as planting seeds here and there that might end in some sort of Bible Study. It's too bad that everybody who is out trying to recruit doesn't also have zero results. Yes, I know I am dreaming...lol.
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Welcome Aperion, Dasker and Jacobsrob... glad you all found your way here!
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My name is Dominic.
I have been disfellowshipped for three years, due to my continuing to look at gay porn. I am gay. I live with my boyfriend of one and a half years. We are relatively happy, even though some things are hard at times, naturally.
But I find myself missing my mom. We had been through so much together. But now we're over. I usually am relieved that we are over, because she also put me through a lot. But sometimes the sadness and the guilt and the worrying that she's okay overwhelms me.
I am finding it hard to adjust to this life. I find myself questioning everything. I don't know if there is a god. I don't know what there is in store for us in the future. I'm scared because I see grayness ahead of me, I see a life where my boyfriend is gone, I am aged and alone. But I was beyond alone in that religion. I got to hear how disgusting people like me are. And the guilt trips over everything, every little thing were exhausting. But now I find myself without direction.
So I guess I'm looking for closure. I want to be rid of this part of my life, at least the sad and hard parts. I want to move on and accept myself but it's terrifying. I would love to hear other's input. Especially any LGBT ex-JWs out there. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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Dasker, you have soft landed in a very loving place so take some deep breaths and smile. I am so sorry about the loss of a relationship with your mother and believe me, many of us here feel it too. I am a mother who is cut off from her daughter and grandchild. The JW religion has a lot to answer to. They are a corporate religion, getting the tax break all the while investing in realestate and also people's lives. They have destroyed literally hundreds of thousands of family relationships...maybe millions! Gay people have been particularly hard hit and lives have even been lost because of the df'ing policy. The governing body are dellusional men following a Bronze Age patriarchal rule book.
I wish cultural change would speed up but it goes at it's own pace which is too slow in my book. 2,000 years ago some people might have gotten pretty pissed off if you'd dissed on Zeus or Hera or Poseidon. We all know where those mighty gods stand now, on the mythology shelves of the library. The time will come when the current crop of mythological gods be they Semitic war God, Jehovah or Allah, will take their rightful place on those same shelves.
Rather than look at things as grey how about focussing on the vibrant colors of each waking day. Enjoy every precious minute of life and give it your full attention. Peace be with you and your partner and while your mom's path is winding away on it's dead end course (she will go the way of all humanity) you go forward and LIVE. They are an end time death oriented religion.
I miss my daughter too....but I always keep the hope that something will click and she'll wake up. It's truly never too late.
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to the forum, Dasker!
I'm 38 years old and was disfellowshipped when I was 18.
I understand those conflicting feelings of sadness and yet feeling relief at the same time.
I know it must hurt to miss your mom.
You will not be able to have closure until you grieve for what you has lost - your family, friends, maybe even faith.
Give yourself time to do that, then you can start figuring out what you want to believe.
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Sorry about the shunning situation dasker. That is something that many people on here have to deal with and it's never easy. I read that there's a case before the US Supreme Court to rule on whether solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment. That is the extent of the human desire for social contact. But even prisoners will have visits from family members. The GB's shunning policy strips people of the social circle they either had from birth or were directly encouraged to build (by associating preferentially with those "in the truth"). It is extremely cruel and is designed to inflict emotional pain as a way forcing people into a religious lifestyle that they may no longer want or are simply incompatible with.
The rest of what you said about seeing yourself grey got me thinking. JWs have a rather unique theology in that they have a way to avoid death. Most other belief systems accept death but put it in a context that removes the finality. JWs have that too but, also, if Armageddon comes during their lifetimes and they survive they get to cheat the Grim Reaper. Furthermore, they receive heavy doses of warnings on how imminent Armageddon is. It's possible that people who grow up in the truth are blocked from fully coming to terms with their own mortality. If Armageddon is soon and you're a teenager you can't possible get old in "this system" right? At the age when children start to realize that people die JWs learn that they may not have to die...ever. It can be a bit unsettling to belatedly accept that we'll eventually die just like everyone else.
Then I'm certain you had to deal with some guilt over the circumstances of your disfellowshipping. They have their priorities real straight disfellowshipping someone for porn while coddling child molesters. You were actually trying to live a lifestyle that offered you no hope EVER for a compatible relationship. Those self-righteous elders should try it! I recently stumbled on a news report about google searches for gay porn by country. The top 10 was, counting down from ten: Canada, United Kingdom, United States, Australia, Philippines, India, Pakistan, Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya. The countries in the top five might surprise you. Curiously I went looking and found out that Mississippi, Louisiana and Georgia in the US are the states that search for the most gay porn. In the US, those "Southern States" are among the most religious and anti-gay. The greater the social stigma around homosexuality, the more porn people watch. Making same-sex relations "a sin" does not eliminate this aspect of human sexuality. I'm happy for you that you have been able to move past the self-hatred that was encouraged when you were a part of the congregation.
Based on everything I'd say that you're doing well after three years. You've had to deal with the loss of family, the loss of your belief system and coming to terms with being gay after being raised in an anti-gay environment. You're not giving yourself enough credit! You made it through the worst and you'll continue to grow into the spaces that have opened up for you. IMO, you should take a deep breath on the existential questions. There is a tendency to want to replace the falsely sure answers we had as JWs with the true answers right away. That can be a source of anxiety. Inventing terrible futures and being afraid of them is probably another uniquely human endeavor. Now is the time to smell the roses and be grateful for everything that you do have. Like they say, "The past is history and the future is a mystery. Today is a gift that's why it's the present".
Since death seems inevitable it's natural for us to wonder about it. But we will surely find out what it's like right...lol. No need to keep asking "are we there yet"! There's a lot to take in before we arrive. I don't expect to die imminently but I don't have a morbid fear of it. IMO, if there is a plan and life has a purpose it is more intimately associated with death than with living. Our lives are directionally drawn to death like a dropped ball is pulled to the ground. If it were not for the force of gravity the ball would be just as dead (stationary/static) in the air as on the ground. But it was lifted and will certainly return when released and that results in a journey through the air. I observe that whenever there is directional movement there was imbalance and the process of correction/equalization generates the motion. It's the same with a battery. The separated charges recombine spontaneously. So maybe death is more "natural" than life and we're simply going home while experiencing our way back. I'm not sure if that's a helpful viewpoint for everyone but I definitely rebelled in embracing death. I'm not trying to be morbid but I didn't want to develop a phobia about something that's inevitable. Now I see death as a kind of milestone that reminds me to live my life in such a way that I'll be OK with it when it arrives. I take more calculated risks because the higher aspirations that I sacrifice out of fear in order to live "safely" will be the things I remember and regret on my unavoidable deathbed.
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Hi Dominic and
I'll bet lots of JW's look at porn no matter their gender or sexual preference. JW's are very supressed in many ways let alone sexually...
I have to say this now - you are not disgusting! o.k.
I put this in a previous post somewhere and i'll say here again. My daughter wanted to talk to me one day because she had 'something to talk to me about'.. she told me that she likes boy and girls.
I feel so chuffed as a parent that my daughter can tell me anything she wants.
I said, "Are you happy with that?" and she replied, "Yeah".
That's all i needed to hear, that's she's happy with herself, with being her.
I think that's where you need to be. The JW's make us all guilty, heck we're all sinning before we're even born according to their teaching right?
It's o.k. to be you - really.
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Great post!
I don't think that life's direction and/or purpose points to death though. I believe it points more to procreation. Life doesn't want to die - the mouse will try to escape from the cat if it possibly can and humans will ever want to believe in eternal life.
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Great post!
I don't think that life's direction and/or purpose points to death though. I believe it points more to procreation. Life doesn't want to die - the mouse will try to escape from the cat if it possibly can and humans will ever want to believe in eternal life.Hey Gurgi,
I know it sounded a little morbid, lol. Procreation actually allows for life and death to co-exist. You could say that it solves the problem of how to have both operating together. Evidently, if nobody died procreation would not be necessary (and we wouldn't have had the chance to exist). OTOH, if people procreated in the absence of death we'd soon be crawling over each other. So in order to have an abundance and variety of different lives, there must be death too. It's a bit ironic. Even within our living bodies there is death taking place constantly but this actually rejuvenates us to an extent (as a whole) since new cells take the place of old ones.
Furthermore, given the effort it takes to remain alive it seems unlikely that it is the "rest state" of being. Rest states don't require constant input of energy to be maintained. A ball rolls into the valley and stays there unless moved. If you want to take it out you must operate against gravity and if you release it on the hillside it will roll right back spontaneously. Rolling back would be analagous to the state of being alive. So then death (settling in the valley) would be the goal of life. Yet the opportunity to roll is precious. Imo we should definitely love and enjoy life despite any bumps along the way. But is the valley a place to be terrified off? I'm leaning towards "No" but I'm not ready to find out. smiley: roll
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amazing! I've only just joined this site tonight and I already fine I have someone who is going or has gone through similar things to me. I recently come to terms and excepted that I am gay. I've lead 'a double life' for years, in as much I go to meetings but also watch gay porn and realise that no matter what is said I am gay and its not a choice its what I am. I haven't acted on those feelings yet so no boyfriend, but I've found mental relief and quite liberated in the fact I've finally accepted who and what I am. no more guilt. no more feeling disgusted at myself for not reaching impossible heterosexual 'norm' and not beating myself up for now conquering the dreaded 'masturbation habit'. It's early days for this joining here is my first step away from what I still find myself calling 'the truth'. I wish you well Dasker and hope that you find the posts on here comforting and helpful.
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Hey man. So cool to hear that my experience encouraged you. I'm new to this also, and though I've been disfellowshipped for three years I sometimes feel fresh out of the 'truth.' Thank you for your encouragement and good luck on your journey. I would love to hear more about your story.
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Welcome to both of you - apeiron and dasker!
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Welcome to both of you apeiron and Dominic! What great timing that you both posted so near to each other!! There is nothing quite so healing as meeting someone who has gone through similar experiences, and truly understands what you have been through....
Even though you both already realised that of course there is nothing 'wrong' with being who you are meant to be....to be able to talk to someone who not only struggled with being raised in the religion, but was also being brainwashed to believe that they are somehow 'wrong' or 'unnatural' for their sexuality, will be so cathartic to you both smiley: smile
You are both survivors, and this place is full of such wonderful people.......so I look forward to hearing more from you both, and getting to know you better!!
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Thanks guys for being so welcoming :)
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I said, "Are you happy with that?" and she replied, "Yeah".
That's all i needed to hear, that's she's happy with herself, with being her.
...Awesome Gurgi.
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Dasker,
Let me start by acknowledging that it stinks that you miss your mom, anything that causes division between and parent and child is NOT from a God worthy of following. I'm sorry that you are going thru that loss, as many on the forum are. I sorely miss my JW daughter. Being her father WAS the most important definition of the person I was. I am still her father, but, I have had to think hard on who else I am and focus on those relationships and aspects of me.
Let me continue with, you will have bad days and bad periods in life, but, you are young, and so much lies ahead. Accept the lows, look forward to the highs, and plan and work for your positive future.
I have a wonderful partner..ehh uhh hmm, husband now. He is a bit older than me, so, he will likely go first and I will likely go alone. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. I suggest you do the same. The bridge is alot closer for me than it is for you, and I'm not gonna waste time now worrying about it, I got too much fun to have.
Thru my hubby I have another wonderful daughter and son, who are not shunning me. Who knows the wonderful people you will have in your own life as you go thru it?!
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Welcome to our two new ones. Perhaps researching more about the org will help sort out your feelings. Some good sites are jwfacts.com and jwsurvey by John Cedars. Just google the jwsurvey for the site address. These are real good sites that expose the falseness and wrong things done by the org. I remember when I learned the truth about the "truth," (TTAT) I felt an urgent to find out, if this isn't the "truth," then what is. That is common among those of us who learn TTAT. It helped me when others told me I have the whole rest of my life to research, experience, and examine things and my whole life to come to terms with what is "truth," or not. There is no need to hurry and figure out things, it will come with time and life experience.
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Thank you all, I appreciate the encouragement. I would love to hear more about your experiences
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Welcome Aperion...I already welcomed dasker.
It's good to have you here. It is hell in the cult for anyone with a sexuality that is out of line for the brainwashed.
Personally, I don't care what gender people love. Love is not dirty. It's a higher aspect of life.
You can never fully erase the cult from your life...like many things we went through or experienced..they stay to some degree.
You'll work it out, I'm sure.
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First time commenting in here... I'm not LGB or T... but I am DF'd for 2 years now. I feel for you though Dasker. I think I was mentally free long before I even left, but I have friends overseas who have been out for several years now and are still working through stuff. It really is like grieving... there is no right or wrong way to do it. No standard time period it takes to clear all the cobwebs out and start living in color!
I hope your being in here gives you strength and comfort my new friend.
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I am not even going to pretend my case was extreme, but I do need to get a few things of my chest. I was born and raised as a JW. However, I did not buy into the religion and mostly stayed for family unity, but as some of you may have experienced living a lie eats away at you. Last year the stress of being a JW got somewhat debilitating and I had to go to the emergency room. It was at that point that I knew I had to cut ties with my lie. When I finally showed my true colors the Elders were utterly shocked and formed a judicial committee. The funny thing was I didn't even know that they were "judging" me until later. However, to prevent anymore pain of my transition I never officially cut ties with them. At that point they knew my "apostasy" and I was expecting to be disfellowshipped, but that never happened. Apparently my father got involved and managed to pull a few strings to avoid the shame that it would bring. I guess that is what I have not been able to let go of since I have seen people be disfellowshipped for less. It made me angry that even in this thing they could be so hypocritical. Maybe I am wrong in my anger, but this is how I feel. Luckily for me my family still talks to me even if everyone else sees as black sheep. Anyways sorry for the long post.
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Hello there and welcome SoCal!!
Anyways sorry for the long post
Believe me your post is miniscule compared with many of our posts when we first found this place lol!!
You are so right in saying that living a lie, even with the best intentions, has a negative effect on our emotional wellbeing......and in your case your stress levels outed themselves!!
You already knew that the jw's did not have the truth (or anything resembling it!!)......so I would not be too hard on yourself, or your father, for playing them at their own game.....remember, the whole d/f'ing fiasco is their rule not yours.....and if it means that you can still talk and interact with your loved ones, then I say good for you!!!
So many here would love to be able to be with loved ones, and your father seems to have managed just that!!! I do wonder how he must feel in his heart however, knowing that he has manipulated the org, and played them at their own game......maybe he has his own cognitive dissonance going on in there somewhere......lets hope he listens to his mind and doubts eventually, and joins you!!!
imo there can only be one of two reasons why he intervened to stop your d/f'ing.....1) he believes he can manipulate gods rules....or 2) he realises that they are mens rules, and there to be manipulated!!
I truly believe it must be the 2nd.....in which case there is hope for your dad to wake up to the gb's mind control too!!
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Firstly SoCalman, a big hello and welcome to the site! You are suffering the consequences of having been brought up in the confusing world of the JW cult...so we all know what it’s about.
You want closure (that means you are from North America!) The sentiment is clear; you want to put an end to the loose ends of having been mentally messed about with. You want to get your life in order and free from the Borg.
We were taught to obey not to think or reason, just believe and obey. In that way it appears to make the JW community all smiles and everyone smugly serene, like everyone there is on the same happy pills. Real life has its ups and downs but demands realistic goals and values and NOT being dictated to. One major problem facing all ex JWs is the very matter that the cult obligations as we understood them did not allow us to determine our own course in life and as a result we are initially not very good at knowing how to be free humans.
You have family; does that involve a wife and children? I suggest that whatever you do, ensure that you make it a priority to give them, the security they need and afterwards slowly resolve the other issues.
Keep posting and discussing...wishing you well as you recover your health and your freedom.
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Living a lie certainly takes its toll. I tried to carry on going to meetings after I'd admitted to myself that I no longer believed, but I only managed one meeting! I just couldn't stand it. I can understand how forcing yourself to carry on could make you end up in the ER. It really is crazy that simply admitting that you don't believe makes you a wicked apostate worthy of shunning in the eyes of JWs. Sorry you had to deal with that crap - even if it turned out relatively OK in the end, it still sucks that they even think that way.
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Welcome, SoCal. Good to have you here. I know what its like to live that lie. In my case, I was deeply depressed because the guilt and disgust at myself for being a hypocrite and the anger at the Society for making me be a hypocrite. Its a wonder I didn't end up in the ER. After I finally walked away completely (after hanging around the edges for a couple years) I felt a heck of a lot better. Like you, I was never DF'd, not even after it was widely known that I was living in sin with my now hubby. Try not to be too hard on yourself. You had no choice in how you were raised. You went along because that was what you had to do.
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Hello and welcome. Don't be so hard on yourself. I hope things go well for you.
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The truth is I have been angry for the first 23 years of my life I was a JW for about 12 of those I was a non-believer. I know I would have left sooner except my family was always what I would call the more "liberal" type of JW. Where other JW's would talk shit my parents would be more forgiving, more understanding, and willing to forget the sins of those who repented. Looking back perhaps that was why I tolerated being in so long. However, that doesn't change the fact that I am angry how I was not prepared for the real world. When I began college there was always this resistance from members since they were afraid I would leave. In the end I was even angry that they thought college caused me to leave instead of acknowledging I was already like this for a very long time a person who always wore a mask in front of them. I guess these posts are my way of dealing with it, which it has made me feel better.
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image SoCalman and image to the forum. It takes time to release anger, everybody has their own way of dealing with things. I am glad to hear that posting is making you feel better. Focus on doing things that
help you feel better. Life is about taking things one day at a time, one thing at a time. The members who were afraid that you were going to leave because you attended college...are probably going to continue to think that college is what caused you to leave.
I do understand why you are angry with them for not acknowledging that you were already a non-believer. The good news is that your family still talks to you. Your family is more important then what the other members think.
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While it is true my family speaks to me things are strained. To this day there are constant reminders that it's never too late to repent. I am coming to terms with the fact that what I shared with my loved ones will never be the same. They will always see me as their failure who was raised to be JW, but ended up leaving since they did something wrong. I have since then closed my "private" life away from them.
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It is difficult when family relationships are strained. You are not a failure, and maybe one day more members of your family will also leave JW. Are you married with kids?
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10 hours ago It is difficult when family relationships are strained. You are not a failure, and maybe one day more members of your family will also leave JW. Are you married with kids?
Luckily no like I said I was completely unprepared when I left. My ex was a JW and she left because I left. At this point though I am trying to adapt to being outside the JW's as all the years left me unused to the outside. Due to this, I have not seeked a relationship.
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It is going to take time to adapt to a life outside the JW's. Be patient with yourself and take things at your own speed. Have you made any friends with non-JW's in the past year? If you haven't this might be a way to help get used to being outside the JW religion. If
there were things you wanted to try as JW that you couldn't....now might be the time to try out some new things. But, just remember to be patient with yourself and take things at your own speed. People each have their own path that they take when getting used
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It took me 15 years to shed all of the guilt. I did not seek help and hindsight that was a mistake SoCal.
Immediately start seeking the real truth. Whether or not you want to be a Christian is up to you. But researching the past of JW dot ORG will give you a peace of mind that you have made the right decision to leave.
Attend a support group of persons that know where you are coming from. People, no matter how skilled (Phd's) Have no clue as to the amount of mindbending you have gone through over most of your life.
I myself, eventually attended a Calvary Church, and Vineyard and Methodist etc… The general theme to my surprise was.. WELCOME!!! Come take in the Holy Spirit and Praise the Lord with us. I must say that that helped the most. Knowing that I am a forgivin sinner and my debt was paid 2K years ago not one door knock at a time.
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Thank you all for your support especially HumbleLove. Truth be told I am an atheist. I am done with religion, period, at least at this stage of my life. I cannot say what will happen in further stages, other than I am never going back, but what I do know is that I am slowly undoing all that it does to you, whether you buy into the religion or not. One example is the complete and total loyalty demanded by the JW religion. This in the end is achieved through fear tactics of cutting all those you know since you are only supposed to be close to those who are JW. It is that fear, which everyone who decides to leave has to overcome. I knew what it meant leaving when I did some of these people were like family to me and the threat of being cut off is huge.
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It is difficult to leave JW religion for the very reason that you said...the fact that you can be cut off by people you know. The situation is different for each person. For some people when they leave they lose absolutely everybody. Every single friend and family member they had were JW and decided to follow the rules of shunning to the letter. Then there are people who lose some people when they decide. Each case is different but losing people is a difficult thing to endure. It doesn't matter how many people you may be losing...it's the fact that you are losing anybody which makes it difficult to leave.
This is why some people stay in and continue to attend meetings even though they no longer believe. I am sorry to hear that the lie ate away at you so much that you ended up in the emergency room...that was a difficult thing to endure. It is possible to find life after the JW religion...it's going to take time. And that's ok everybody discovers their path, at their own pace.
The good news is thanks to the invention of the Internet there are forums such as these where people can find support. The bad news is that not everyone is aware that these forums exist some people exiting the religion still feel mighty alone with their thoughts. The good news is you found this forum and you are slowly taking steps to find a life outside the religion.
Yes, the JW religion does demand complete and total loyalty. It's a lifestyle that doesn't promote any relationships outside of JW. Continue posting and sharing. Each step you take will help you achieve a life outside the JW religion.
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Greetings SoCalman.
Glad you were able to get some things off your chest.
Sometimes that alone helps.
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Getting things off your chest, purging the system, letting others pitch in their two pennies worth... What a great place we have here. I'm only new here, but it's such a positive place to let us all heal and move forward in this new life we all find ourselves in. Thanks everyone... very comforting and inspiring!
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For the first month back in my old congregation ( I was un sign language), two elders were "trying" to help and encourage me. They know what has stumbled me. As I said earlier on this forum, worshipping Jesus till 1954, the lie about Russell's biography, and other findings. They have nothing to say to me. They can't deny or scripturally reason it out. However, suddenly, no one is "helping" me now. Only a couple elders say hi if I run into them. Most just ignore me. Most of the congregation is not really talking to me except for a few of the "forgotten souls". When I was an elder I was dragged in the back room for anything. They tried to remove me as an elder 3 times. Finally succeeded. However, my removal was strange. No reasons were given. No council. No scriptures. Basically the CO removed me just to keep "peace". I know long story. I was a well respected elder and speaker. Many on the body were even jealous of me. I know that for a fact. But what is strange to me now
is that they know my "apostate" thinking. Yet, they don't take me to the back room and question if I feel this is Jehovah's organization, if he is directing slave, blah blah blah. You would think that this would be the ideal time to put me in "my place". Why do you think this is the case? And do you think the
elders are telling others to keep on gaurd regarding me?
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Hi vinman.
Why do you think this is the case?
They are probably hoping the problem goes away by itself. They don't want to deal with it.
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elders are telling others to keep on gaurd regarding me?
Probably.
Vinman, you sound frustrated and maybe even somewhat hurt. It might be best to accept the unloving behaviour of the elders and others and just pick up and re-group.
Accept that the relationship is over and find yourself a "new girlfriend".
Good luck, vinman...the sun is shining somewhere - you just have to find it.
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What they are thinking is..... sorry to say this but they are thinking you are an agent of the devil,
I say this because, that is how i, plus the congregation i belonged to years ago viewed a certain brother who had "questions" to the elders that they could not answer. They did not DF him but we all avoided him like fools.
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You know, the way you have described the luke warm to cool way you are recieved is the way things happen in such circumstances - at least that's how things kind of happened to me to a certain extent.
I was never an elder, just an ms. When you're 'spiritually strong' then things are o.k. (in that JW way of o.k.) but as soon as there are signs that you are 'straying from the path' then it seems that there is a distance between you and the ones who were o.k. with you a while ago.
My removal as an ms was 'odd'. They blatantly lied about me from the platform. They got what they wanted and even though i didn't see it at the time... so did i.
I remeber having a conversation with an elder who described me as being, "..outside the flock". I considered my own position and my 'relationship' with Jehovah (at the time) and agreed. I was definitely 'outside the flock'.. i no longer believed that things were being done in Gods way (my belief at the time). I had 'help' from a different elder and we talked about things he was unaware of. With him at my side, i had a meeting with three other elders (at my calling) and i had it all out with them. We agreed on a 'way forward' and i was hopeful of progress and prayed fervently being willing to accept 'help'.
What i discovered was pretty much as you describe.. no one bothered with me. I wasn't an ms anymore, i wasn't a blot on their copy congregation. I was in the cold.
It hurt me greatly. The belief system i pinned my life on was not what i believed it to be. I was distraught and it was natural.
What you are describing as i can see is nothing new. It is new to you though and it does seem as though you might be regarded as being 'out of the flock' so to speak.
It might be worthwhile asking yourself how you feel about this?
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Hi vinman, good to see you're still posting. The way you are being treated is no surprise to me. The elders can sense very easily who they can intimidate and who is best left alone. When we as a family left--we were also left alone. No one called for almost six months. And we were not called for any JC meetings. The local elders just appeared happy to leave things as is. Only when the Circuit Overseer came around he must have asked questions and the presiding elder had no choice but to visit us with the CO--yes just visit us in our home--that's it. The Circuit Overseer did all the talking, the elder never uttered a word. He was wise, because if he dared open his mouth--we were ready. (We were neighbours and knew a lot). He kept quiet, and the CO was no wiser.
You keep bringing up the subject of "Jesus worship until 1954." I was around at that time and was not aware of such. Perhaps you can quote a magazine or book on that. But with that aside-- the word "worship" itself is a rarely used word with the WTS in all the years I was in. Always referred to Jehovah if ever used. Today, however, it is avoided more than a four letter word. My guess is because in reality it is the "Governing Body" or the "Faithful Slave" that is worshipped. But of course this would be flatly denied in the same manner that 1914, 1925, 1975 and other dates that were marked for specific things--are denied.
Even Jehovah was hardly ever mentioned thirty years ago when we left. But the "faithful slave" was always on the forefront. Jesus?? who is Jesus?? Hardly ever heard of him except once a year. Oh--and what was the other one?? Oh yeah: the holy spirit--in lower case letters.
Check the Watchtower February 1, 1984 pages 18-20 under the heading of “Powerful Unifying Factors”; it lists seven altogether in the following order:
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7. Preaching the good news
Okay, it would be too obvious if Jehovah was not first. But note “the faithful and discreet slave”, who they claim to be, is ahead of Jesus Christ. I expected that Jesus Christ would immediately follow Jehovah. Further; note that the holy spirit (in lower case letters) is way down in sixth position!
You ask: "You would think that this would be the ideal time to put me in "my place". Why do you think this is the case?"
You have answered your question yourself, when you said, "They have nothing to say to me. They can't deny or scripturally reason it out."
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Hi, vinman. Your congregation is probably hoping you'll get the hint and go away. They'd rather not deal with you and are hoping to push you out. At least, that's how I read the situation. And yes, the elders have probably warned everyone else about you. While they may not be willing (yet) to take any stronger action against you, that won't stop them from making you miserable. Their unloving behavior is obviously causing you a lot of distress. Removing yourself from that may be the best course for your own peace of mind. All the best, vinman.
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The way I see it, other than going to the elders for help with your problems over what you've discovered, you haven't tried to convince others of your discoveries, so you haven't actually done anything that could be labelled apostate. In my case, when I had a meeting with two elders, my twin daughters, and myself, I had invited my brother to be there, even though he was never a jw, but for support. My girls wanted the meeting so the elders could try to convince me why the girls should be shunning their df'd sister. I agreed to the meeting, planning to read aloud the letter I had written the gb about all of my discoveries, since my girls wouldn't read the letter or listen to anything I had discovered about the org. I wanted my brother there to help ensure no one would walk out as I reading the letter. One of the elders almost did, then he looked at my brother and settled back down. I guess because I insisted on reading that letter in front of my girls, they decided I was an apostate. I received a letter that they had held a jc, had tried to contact me in person and over the phone (not true, I was home all the time), and since they couldn't reach me, held the meeting and df'd me for apostacy. Or in other words, my actions meant I had da'd myself by actions. I just let it go. At least my girls are not shunning me or their sister, and they say they never should have. They are an odd case, or maybe not; they are very devout but attend no meetings, they did attend the memorial, but they haven't been to a meeting in months and months. But they believe in Jehovah wholeheartedly. Anyway, that was my case. I guess unless you actively try to lead someone else away with your discoveries, they will have no grounds to df you.
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GoingForth wrote:
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Check the Watchtower February 1, 1984 pages 18-20 under the heading of “Powerful Unifying Factors”; it lists seven altogether in the following order:
1. Jehovah
2. Bible
3. “the faithful and discreet slave”
4. Jesus Christ
5. God’s Kingdom
6. holy spirit
7. Preaching the good news
Okay, it would be too obvious if Jehovah was not first. But note “the faithful and discreet slave”, who they claim to be, is ahead of Jesus Christ. I expected that Jesus Christ would immediately follow Jehovah. Further; note that the holy spirit (in lower case letters) is way down in sixth position!
You ask: "You would think that this would be the ideal time to put me in "my place". Why do you think this is the case?"
You have answered your question yourself, when you said, "They have nothing to say to me. They can't deny or scripturally reason it out."
I think the GB used restraint only putting themselves above JC, I'm sure they had to use all the humility they could muster to put themselves below Jah.
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Going Forth wrote :
"You keep bringing up the subject of "Jesus worship until 1954." I was around at that time and was not aware of such. Perhaps you can quote a magazine or book on that. But with that aside-- the word "worship" itself is a rarely used word with the WTS in all the years I was in. Always referred to Jehovah if ever used."
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Does anyone notice who is missing from the above group of 7? Of course they list "the faithful and discreet slave---who are now identified as strictly the 7 GB members. But even in 1984, they left out "the anointed class" (otherwise known as "the 144,000"). I've been gone a while, but I remember that great respect and emphasis used to be given to that group, while it seems that they have now pushed them aside, along with very little mention of Jesus.
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I worked as a stringer (freelance reporter) for a local county newspaper. I was in college studying computers, something alien to me, but a jw is supposed to only go to school to learn to make a living and computers were coming on the scene. I was so unhappy with my computer courses (boring) that I took a class I wanted, I just had to have some fun while being in college. I took journalism. Through the teacher, I got hired as a stringer for the newspaper. I turned down an offer of full time employment with that newspaper, for fear I'd be asked to cover a story that I, as a jw, shouldn't cover. Though my dad, who worked at the St. Louis Post Dispatch as an electrician, I had an opportunity to interview for a position there. That's the big paper in the St. Louis metro area. Again, turned it down. I could have applied for a $12,000 scholarship when I was in college, my teacher hinted I would have a good chance to win, and I didn't apply for it. Now, I'm returning to work as a substitute teacher next fall, and that will be my career. That's fine, I like it, but I could have really done something in the newspaper industry. Well, typing this, I guess I'd have to admit that my carpal tunnel is pretty bad from all those years of typing, so maybe I would have had to get out of that business anyway. That's why I'm not trying to get back into it. But I passed up great opportunities, due to being a jw. What did you give up due to being a jw?
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I had my head a bit screwed up for a while and could have made some better decisions but they weren't huge. The biggest thing I gave up was probably my self-esteem. I used to be pretty hard on myself. In just about everything, I got better evaluations than I would have given myself. Now put that psyche into a religion with many different requirements and expectations and the result isn't great. After coming out of the JW mindset I've been able to cultivate a more balanced view of self.
(I never got dunked BTW. I was an unbaptized publisher at one point and seriously considering it. Every assembly I said "next assembly". It's a a big decision and I wanted to ve sure! I lingered long enough to start to question certain things after seeing doctrinal changes. Then one assembly baptismal talk spooked me. It was too "culty"; pushing the point that you're essentially dedicated to the Org. I thank that talk because it helped to wake me up. That's when the goal to be baptized started to lose its appeal and my gradual path out of it all began.)
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I think it affects a lot of people's self esteem. I had low self esteem when I joined, so it was VERY hard to be in a religion like that, that stood out as so different. That also affected my decisions, not wanting to find myself in a spot where I'd have to explain why I couldn't do a certain thing on the job, or whatever. Having to stand out as being so different and being in a religion that is not liked by many people is very hard. I'm very glad I'm out, I don't have to worry about getting into situations where I'd have to explain why I can't do something. I now can do whatever I want, join in with the rest of society as far as holidays and that kind of thing goes and not have to feel so darned different. It's human nature to want to belong to the group, not be ostracized.
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When I was finishing high school in 1994, I REALLY wanted to go to college. Back then I didn't know what I wanted to be, but knew college was the way to get a better life. The Society had eased up a little bit on college education, but not a whole lot. It was still seen as unnecessary (we won't need doctors, nurses, and lawyers in the new system) and would take too much time away from 'serving Jehovah'. I had taken carpentry classes (unusual for a girl!) while in high school, so that's what I did for a living: cabinetmaking. It's what I still do, though the downturn in the economy has led to many a sleepless night the last few years. It's heavy work that's begun to take a toll on my 39-year-old body, but I won't admit that to the guys! It's how I met my husband, so I guess I can't really regret my career. At that same time, I had been seriously considering joining the military. In 1994 a lot more opportunities were being opened to women service members and that appealed to me. But I knew if I joined I would be shunned by my family and friends and I wasn't ready to take that step. So I missed out on the chance to be trained in a trade and see more of the world than my little town. If I'd gone in at eighteen and made it my career, I'd have been able to retire with full benefits by now and still be young enough to start another career. After giving up those options to be 'faithful to Jehovah' I went into a deep depression, feeling I was caught in a trap and not knowing how to get out. That went on for a year as I confronted the fact that I didn't want to keep being a JW. I'd always known it, deep down, but was finally facing it head on. Within a couple years I was cutting back on meetings and had stopped going out in service. By the time I was 25, I'd quit altogether. Now I kick myself sometimes, knowing all those sacrifices were unnecessary.
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Left school at 15, started pioneering, became a MS, kept pioneering until I finally woke up, some 25 odd years later!
What did I give up?
I would say (apart from the best years of my life), I gave up my right to plan for my future, and to live my dreams — whatever they may of been. I know I still have many good years ahead of me, but the emotional repercussions of being a male, in a male dominant cult, where they spoon-feed you what to do, how to live, how to think... The critical thinking skills we all need to plan for our futures, as well as the ability to execute our own plans (giving you self-confidence and life experience) — this was all robbed from me. And for what? I helped around 20 helpless fools study, get baptized, and sell their souls to the Borg!
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I'm not sure how to answer this one.
I suppose like many of those who were very young at the time their parent(s) got involved with the JWs, i didn't really give anything up especially as we (us kids) were so controlled anyway.
I did 'give up' my health but i never had much choice in that matter either.
Tough question there Cacky, you got me thinking - though my daughter would argue that is impossible
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I gave up the chance to go to college and be someone. I went into Cosmetology in high school and still cut hair to this day. My parents pushed me into it. They wanted me to go to Bethel (BARF!) and cut hair. I wanted to go to Bethel but they didn't accept women at the time. Now I feel like I dodged a bullet. So I gave up the chance to get an education. I also feel like I gave the best years of my life to the society, but I can't change that.
Although I did get one great thing from being a witness. My husband. I never would have met him if I left at 18, like I wish I would have.
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Wow, to be in a country where even hairstyles are dictated by the government would be so strange.
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It's not so differant from the JWs really. Men's facial hair is regulated. How petty can you get?
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I bet the JW congregation I went to would have objected to that pink close to a buzz cut I had a couple of years ago. I think I'd have gotten a talking to. LOL And I kind of think they wouldn't have let an old woman with pink hair cut so short by clippers go out in service.
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A homosexual haircut? Now that I'd like to see.
Don't you need multiple haircuts to demonstrate?
Or do homosexual haircuts behave a certain way?
I hope it's not too risque. I'd have to avert my eyes *halo*
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Kind of reminds me of tight-pants tony.
Pants and haircuts...I wonder what will be "infected" next...lol
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Man, I remember (with chills) studying with some young guys, and when then started coming to the meetings, I was discouraged from pointing out to them that they should cut their long hair. But rather, I was to let them "be molded by the standards of the congregation," and say nothing. It is a far more powerful (and insidious) method for controlling people.
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Did they figure out that they needed to get their hair cut? Or did they have to be told in the end?
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"Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful." -Buddah
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WELCOME! Welcome to our Support, Friends, and Informational Forum for former Jehovah's Witnesses or those that are considering a way beyond the JW Organization. Hopefully you will enjoy your time on the site. We are here for anyone who has left the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization; who are considering leaving; or simply for those interested in learning about the JWs.
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Helping and Discussion Board for Ex-JWs
More recent Ex-Jws are especially welcome here, but this board is a good place for anyone needing advice on any matter regarding the JWs, or to share general ideas in regards to advice or thoughts about the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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HumbleLove
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Tell Your JW Story Board
Here is where you can share your personal JW story. Please feel free to tell any good JW story that occured as well as your own personal one.
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HumbleLove
3 hours ago
Coping Board
This is a place to discuss what issues you are facing in life currently without regard to religion. Discuss any problems to seek assistance and share advice to others in return!
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cangie
A day ago
Cheerful Chat and News Nook
Please feel free to use this area to post any happy events occuring either in your own life or elsewhere. Any positive or uplifting thoughts are welcome.
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HumbleLove
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Health, Nutrition, and Self-Improvement
Here is a place to discuss anything related to overall health, nutrition, recipies, and self-improvement of any kind. Any aspect of physical, emotional, social, financial or general quality of life is included.
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HumbleLove
4 days ago
General Non-Religious Topic Board
A place to talk about any Non-Religious topics that don't fall into specific categories.
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HumbleLove
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JW Beliefs, Theology, and Teachings
A place for consideration of the various teachings, beliefs, and theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Feel free to post about any past or present beliefs or teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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HumbleLove
2 hours ago
Scandals, Coverups, and JW Controversy
For those interested in posting about any Jehovah's Witnesses related Controversy and/or various issues, scandals, and coverups that the Watchtower potentially faces.
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HumbleLove
Apr 28 15 11:07 PM
Jehovah's Witnesses in the News
Any news related items or articles that are related to the Jehovah's Witnesses or Watchtower are welcomed to be shared here.
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Apr 26 15 7:41 AM
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Any controversial topics are open for discussion and debate here on a wide variety of areas including science, society, politics, religion, ethics, media, law, the environment, culture, etc..
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HumbleLove
May 5 15 1:28 AM
Science and Technology Board
A place to discuss any items pertaining to science and technology. Feel free to discuss current trends or past events in either area.
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HumbleLove
5 days ago
Anger Management
If something has got you upset, here is a place to do some venting.
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Movie, Music, and Book Discussion
Discussion about any Book reviews are welcome here along with any kind of entertainment media: Music and movies or any other form of media.
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punkofnice
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Humor Board
Please share your jokes or funny stories!
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cangie
5 days ago
Creativity Corner
Post here your creative ideas of any kind. May include art, lyrics, music, poetry or anything else you wish to share with us that you have created. Feel free to share other people's creative ideas as long as you give them credit.
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punkofnice
Apr 26 15 12:38 PM
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Please post your own or other pics you have of family, friends, pets, vacation pics., etc... here.
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maksutov
21 hours ago
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Sex and Relationships Board-- Discussion Only-- membership by approval area
Healthy discussion-only area. A place to discuss issues generally surpressed by the JW organization. Any registered member wishing access that has at least 20 posts on the site, please click on the board link and fill in the requested information. It is a membership by approval area, and users with 20 posts or more are welcome to apply.
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Free and Clear Board-- Discussion for long-term members--- membership by approval area
A private and general discussion board for long-time members on any topic. Anyone having at least 100 posts can request access by clicking on the board link and filling in the requested information. It is a membership by approval area. Any member who fills in a request that does have 100 posts will have their request for access reviewed within approximately 1 week for potential approval.
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Technical Help and Suggestion Box
Any Technical Help questions, please post here to get resolved along with any suggestions you may have for the site.
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HumbleLove
Apr 19 15 11:35 AM
Jehovah's Witnesses Organization---Resource Links
Resources pertaining to the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization and recovery from it.
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Ronnie45
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Ex-JW Meetup Board
Any Ex-Jehovah's Witness meetup location information, feedback, or anything else pertaining to meetups, please post them here. If you are an Ex-JW looking for other Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses, feel free to post it here as well.
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