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Brigham Young Will Have 50 Wives In Heaven But LDS,Inc Is Protecting Traditional Marriage With New Changes?  
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Really?  And the public would have to be idiots to not read between the lines.  And looking forward to polygamy in heaven gives them a strong sense of identity and well-being?
 
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I laughed out loud and said “Thank you sir. And I hope every time you hear the name of JS you don’t think about him having sex with those girls and the women who were already married because if you’re going to start being honest with yourself then sooner or later you will also realize a real god would never do that, a real prophet would never do that, and it’s all just bull shit.”
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I always kind of wondered what the wives did with themselves...when Brigham was visiting someone else.
 
Seems like a brothel/harem.
 
Would be interesting to read the journals of the women, to see if there were close relationships among themselves.
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Had a discussion today with a TBM relative.
 I had understood that the new handbook rules denied children of same sex marriages blessings and baptisms until 18. (well not the blessing) and that children of polygamists could be blessed but not baptised until 18... are the rules for these two groups of children identical?
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You're likely to get different answers...  See, there's now a widening divide between Policy and Doctrine.  
 
Doctrine is set in concrete.  Policy is open to interpretation.  And that's just how ghawd operates, don'tcha know!
 
 
As for set in concrete, there's this:  Missionaries will baptize any kid between the ages or 9 and 17 they can, with zero consideration regarding the kids' circumstances, just as long as they can get even just oral permission from a parent or guardian.  
 
We had two sisters interested in joining the church but their dad was adament that they not be baptized.  I watched as my senior companion tried very hard to get their mother to agree to them being baptized.  Had she ever even just mutely nodded her head, he would have dunked the girls, and left them to deal with their dad.  
 
There was never, and I believe to this day, ever any consideration regarding the situations into which missionaries put their underage part family member converts.  But suddenly they care about the children of same gender parents...
 
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I have access to a copy of the 2006 Handbook.  It states that children of parents who have practiced or are practicing plural marriage must have approval of the first presidency before being baptized.  It does not require them to wait until age 18.  They must repudiate "the teachings upon which their parents based their practice of plural marriage."  It does not say anything (that I could find) about restricting name/blessings.  
 
I don't know if the church changed this since 2006, but anyone who claims that children of same-sex parents are just being treated the same as children of polygamous parents have been all along, is either mistaken or lying. 
 
A little side note:  notice the careful wording of the "repudiation."  They can't just say "repudiate polygamy" since D&C 132 still stands and polygamy is (in theory) alive and well for those who have died after serially marrying multiple wives.  
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Thank you for the info.  I needed to see the actual wording to read along beside Eric Reeves comments. 

   


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Thank you for the info.  I needed to see the actual wording to read along beside Eric Reeves comments.
 
Emilie, I've found a .pdf file of the changes. It's attached, just click on the link.
 
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This link will take you to the full 2006 handbook of instructions. It's too big to post as an attachment. The section on "Children whose parents have practiced or are practicing plural marriige" is on page 34 of the handbook (page 47 within the entire document). It reads:
 
    Children of parents who have practiced or are practicing plural marriage must receive approval from the First Presidency to be baptized. The mission president or bishop may request this approval when he is satisfied that the children (1) accept the teachings and doctrines of the church and (2) repudiate the teachings upon which their parents based their practice of plural marriage. The mission president submits the request through a member of the Presidency of the Seventy or the Area Presidency. The bishop submits the request through the stake president.
 
It is very clear that the rules about children of polygamous couples are NOT the same as same sex couples.
 
EDITED TO ADD:
 
I have found the 2010 Handbook of Instructions online - click on this link. The section on children of plural marriage (found on page 145) is a bit different:
 
Children Whose Parents Have Practiced or Are Practicing Plural Marriage
 
    Children of parents who have practiced or are practicing plural marriage contrary to the law must receive approval from the First Presidency before they may be baptized and confirmed. The mission president may request this approval from the office of the First Presidency when he is satisfied that all three of the following requirements are met:
 
The children accept the teachings and doctrines of the church.
The children repudiate the teachings upon which their parents based their practice of plural marriage.
Minor children are not living in a home where polygamy is being taught or practiced. 
So there you have it. What I find interesting, and Eric Reeves touched on this, is the statement in the first paragraph which only disallows baptism if the parents are practicing plural marriage contrary to the law. So if plural marriage is legal in a certain country, then there is no restriction on children being baptized.
 
Reading these excerpts, it is TOTALLY disingenuous of the church to draw parallels between children of plural marriage and children of same-gender parents.
 
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Posted: 27 November 2015 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]   

   
 
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Wow, it looks like an old Catholic mission. Surprised there isn't a bell in the steeple.
 
It makes me want to go to Taco Bell.
 
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Posted: 27 November 2015 01:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]   

   
 
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Wow, I just learned something!
 
When I was on my mission, it was a law that the church could own no property.  So this seemingly made consideration of a temple impossible, since the land belonged to the state, and agents of the state could not be excluded, if they wanted access to the property.  
 
I have no idea what arrangements the church made with the government regarding this rule, but obviously they must have come to some type of understanding, because the Mexico City temple is now over 30 years old. 
 
Turns out that Mexico formally registered mormonism as a an official Mexican religion in 1993, thus giving los mormones the right to own property.  So whatever the arrangement was, it ended in 1993.
 
Knowing the church, and Mexican politicians, money freely changed hands... 
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Posted: 27 November 2015 10:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]   

   
 
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Elder OldDog:
Wow, I just learned something!
 
When I was on my mission, it was a law that the church could own no property.  So this seemingly made consideration of a temple impossible, since the land belonged to the state, and agents of the state could not be excluded, if they wanted access to the property.  
 
I have no idea what arrangements the church made with the government regarding this rule, but obviously they must have come to some type of understanding, because the Mexico City temple is now over 30 years old. 
 
Turns out that Mexico formally registered mormonism as a an official Mexican religion in 1993, thus giving los mormones the right to own property.  So whatever the arrangement was, it ended in 1993.
 
Knowing the church, and Mexican politicians, money freely changed hands... 
 
 Reminds me of Monson giving expensive gifts to Nazi leaders so Mormons could build in Germany. Then Monson took credit for bringing down the wall.


   


Posted: 27 November 2015 11:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]   

   
 
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To me, this is just a PR piece bought and paid for by LDS, Inc. so it's members' tithing dollars at work.
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Posted: 28 November 2015 02:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]   

   
 
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Don't know why, but it looks like this place...St. Peter's Basilica kveit0159p.jpg
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Posted: 28 November 2015 04:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]   

   
 
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This stinks strongly of propaganda.  For example, this quote is a big lie:
 
"Catholicism and mainline Protestant denominations have seen declines in membership in recent years. Mormonism has seen uninterrupted growth since its founding in New York in 1830."     
                   (Underline added.)
 
People like to be on the winning team so the church hides how fast its numbers are shrinking.    So sad as most of the Latino people are family oriented and good people.  The "family forever" thing will suck many of the innocent in.   However, I remember reading how irrate some of them were to hear that Joseph Smith was a Warren Jeffs.  Maybe we need PostMo billboards in South America.
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Strong Free & Thankful:
This stinks strongly of propaganda.  For example, this quote is a big lie:
 
"Catholicism and mainline Protestant denominations have seen declines in membership in recent years. Mormonism has seen uninterrupted growth since its founding in New York in 1830."     
                   (Underline added.)
 
People like to be on the winning team so the church hides how fast its numbers are shrinking.    So sad as most of the Latino people are family oriented and good people.  The "family forever" thing will suck many of the innocent in.   However, I remember reading how irrate some of them were to hear that Joseph Smith was a Warren Jeffs.  Maybe we need PostMo billboards in South America.
 
Spanish Post-LDS billboards and websites! 
 
 
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