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Franklin Graham Warns Christians: Keep Satanic Gay People Away From Your Children & Churches [AUDIO]
January 19, 2016 Crackpots, Religion
“We have allowed the Enemy to come into our churches. I was talking to some Christians and they were talking about how they invited these gay children to come into their home and to come into the church and that they were wanting to influence them. And I thought to myself, they’re not going to influence those kids; those kids are going to influence those parent’s children. What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving.
“We have to understand who the Enemy is and what he wants to do. He wants to devour our homes. He wants to devour this nation and we have to be so careful who we let our kids hang out with. We have to be so careful who we let into the churches. You have immoral people who get into the churches and it begins to effect the others in the church and it is dangerous.” – Franklin Graham, speaking at a Colorado church event organized hate group leader James Dobson, who has a very bizarre definition of bisexuality. Listen below.
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RGG • a month ago
"You have immoral people who get into the churches..." He says with no self-awareness whatsoever.
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ColdCountry > RGG • a month ago
I thought that's what churches were for? To save the souls of such people. If you isolate yourself from them - they way Jesus did, of course - then.... I'm sorry, I lost the thought.... What are churches for?
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Arkansan > ColdCountry • a month ago
Tax exemptions.
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PLAINTOM > Arkansan • a month ago
Profit
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anne marie in philly > Arkansan • a month ago
dingdingding, comment of the day!
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Terry > ColdCountry • a month ago
He'd have to have higher thought pattern to realize the irony...
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vorpal > RGG • a month ago
His message boils down to: "I love gay people. Just keep them and their ability to normalize their perversions and humanize themselves far away from me, our churches, and Christian families."
Christian love is the most hilarious kind. I'm sure he's utterly convinced that he isn't homophobic in the slightest.
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Octoberfurst > vorpal • a month ago
Well he did say that he isn't gay bashing and that God loves gays. But at the same time he calls gays "Satanic" and says that Christians should have nothing to do with them---ever. I wonder if idiots like Franklin ever really listen to their own words because they make no fucking sense to me. "I love you but I think you are an abomination & should have no rights." WTF?
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vorpal > Octoberfurst • a month ago
I'm sure that he's listened to himself speak and patted himself on the back thoroughly for what he perceives to be god-inspired forays into brilliance.
Cognitive dissonance is one of the main skills required to be a conservative Christian.
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Octoberfurst > vorpal • a month ago
Ain't that the truth!
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Kissmagrits > Octoberfurst • a month ago
And Franklin is still praising his loving God, who says in every prounouncment, "Love me above all else or I will send you to the realm of eternal "roasty-toasty'.
Non-sequiturs anyone?
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Octoberfurst > Kissmagrits • a month ago
Yep God loves you SOOOO much but if you don't kneel down and kiss his ass he will torture you forever in a fiery pit. Uhhh---ok.
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witch > Octoberfurst • a month ago
I always wonder why one would honor a god with blood stained hands.
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Steverino > Octoberfurst • a month ago
Indeed. What part of demonization does he not understand?
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Bj Lincoln > RGG • a month ago
The 'change' he is talking about is the church folks find out we are nothing like the devils you make us out to be and they begin to understand we are just like them except the gender of our mates. 'God' forbid they find out we are more alike than different and mean no harm!
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Gustav2 > RGG • a month ago
Don't you know they are better than the rest of America?
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Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
I completely agree that we must be very careful about the types of people that could influence our children. It's the reason why I broke ties with a toxic evangelical family member. I felt she was a horrible and evil presence in our lives and I didn't want my kids to be exposed to or become bigoted assholes who believed fairy tales were reality.
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Gene > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
I did the same Winter Marie, and had my younger cousins begin avoiding the presence of an Evangelical/toxic/fundy freak of a relative...bad, you have no idea how bad.
As per not visiting Franklins "church", WHAT self respecting Lesbian or Gay man would WANT to go to it? I doubt he has much to worry about on THAT front
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Wynter Marie Starr > Gene • a month ago
Gene, I wish I couldn't imagine how bad. My relative told me as a child that my parents were going to hell and when that didn't work, told me I was going to hell. I was all of seven years old when she began. I never left this woman alone with my kids because I didn't trust her, but kept the relationship to keep peace in the family. There came a day when that peace wasn't worth it.
These people will say anything, do anything to get people to join their little death cults. I don't trust them with anyone's kids. The more toxic ones are just as dangerous as any other sociopath.
They have no problems telling the rest of us how evil/bad gay people are and they never want to hear the stories like yours or mine. And if they did hear our stories, we would get the blame for being evil people. They sicken me.
I would gladly step foot in his church . If he paid me and allowed me to say what ever I wanted to. But, the paycheck would have to be substantial. And it would have to be a limited time. Like thirty minutes.
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Paula > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
"I would gladly step foot in his church . If he paid me and allowed me to say what ever I wanted to."
Nah!!! They would have to hold me at gunpoint. Even then, they better not take their eyes off me for more than a second or two.
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Wynter Marie Starr > Paula • a month ago
I figure I'd do more good with the money, Paula. I'd immediately donate it to the Ali Forney Center or the Trevor Project.
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David Walker > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
"We have to be so careful who we let into the churches. You have immoral people who get into the churches and it begins to effect the others in the church and it is dangerous.” Because god has so little power that fags can just sort of take it over? I think at least the first sentence is absolutely true. Part two is a good set-up for a money beg. But I just find it astonishing that any preacher would phrase that first sentence that way. It boggles what's left of my mind.
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Wynter Marie Starr > David Walker • a month ago
Understandable, David. Because that's just what Jesus would say!
It is mind boggling when you consider what church is supposed to do within society and the fact that christian churches are supposed to be based upon love and acceptance.
This pale imitation of a human is a whore and not the fun kind.
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oikos • a month ago
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Todd20036 > oikos • a month ago
Love the message, want to fuck the messenger.
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Steverino > Todd20036 • a month ago
Kind of looks like a wigged-out Jesse Pinkman.
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Mike C • a month ago
Is this tax-avoiding fuck advocating leaving gay homeless kids on the streets?
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Treant > Mike C • a month ago
Yes, dear. Phase two is to make sure that gay couples cannot foster or adopt children.
Phase three is to make sure that Social Services doesn't serve gay kids so they starve on the street.
Jesus wants it that way, with the least of those in the community harassed and dying.
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Todd20036 > Treant • a month ago
Phase 4 is to round them up an put them in "reeducation" camps where they will emerge as heterosexuals who breed lots of babies for Hair Fuehrer, or will never be heard from again.
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GanymedeRenard > Todd20036 • a month ago
Phase 5 is to exterminate all those who fail to become heterosexuals, or, out of extreme mercy, send them to Uganda.
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jahoiya > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
Phase 6 is they burn for eternity. Ha! That will show those gay freaks!
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OrliJoe in Fla > Mike C • a month ago
Why,yes. Yes, he is. Apparently churches are restricted membership only, as well.
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Cackalaquiano > OrliJoe in Fla • a month ago
"Unsaved unwelcome!"
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TampaZeke > Mike C • a month ago
Yes, yes he is.
Hopefully this doesn't surprise you at this point.
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Joseph Miceli > Mike C • a month ago
Yep.
To help gay kids:
https://www.aliforneycenter.or...
Also, start at the "amazon smile" page for the Ali Forney Center. You get the same prices, but a portion of the purchase will go to your designated charity.
http://smile.amazon.com/gp/chp...
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Sporkfighter > Mike C • a month ago
I think he's for leaving anyone who is on the street on the street. In his mind, if you're poor or sick or cold or hungry, it's because Jesus doesn't love you as much as Jesus loves him.
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oikos • a month ago
Spreading Jesus' message of love and acceptance.
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perversatile > oikos • a month ago
okay...
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Librarykid > oikos • a month ago
Is Jesus a self-hating Jew like so many of these Talibangelicals are self-hating gays?
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oikos > Librarykid • a month ago
He never existed: historians of the era make no mention of him.
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Gene > oikos • a month ago
not actually accurate Oikos. While belief in his divinity is of course a matter (or not) of faith, that the man existed is not contested by any historian without an ax to grind. From Josephus to several references to him made very soon after the year of his death, there are plenty of historical mentions. and, that a Jewish man would, as others had before him (and after) play a part in a religious revival movement is nothing hard to believe, or that unusual. As I point out, he was hardly the only one. that such a person existed and had a religious ministry in that part of the world at that time is pretty normal. That he is mentioned at all is quite remarkable, especially when one considers how few records from that time, in any language, have survived to our time
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Southpaw Σ:3 > Gene • a month ago
Josephus' mention of Jesus comes from 93CE, which is over 60 years after Jesus supposedly lived. At best, his writing is based on hearsay.
There's some very good reasons to believe that the entire paragraph is a forgery, stamped in hundreds of years later by either Eusebius, or someone right before him. He used the same library that Origen did in the 3rd century, and Origen never mentioned this paragraph from Josephus, despite quoting him thoroughly in other places. So suddenly, magically, Eusebius finds this paragraph in there? Seems suspicious to me.
Scholarship has also discovered that whoever wrote the paragraph in Josephus used the gospel of Luke, because of a series of parallels all in order that only make sense if the person writing it was going through Luke and writing each bit down in order. There's good reasons to believe that the gospel of Luke was written in the early 2nd century, which means that this Josephus insertion is clearly a forgery.
And that is the EARLIEST non-biblical mention of Jesus.
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oikos > Gene • a month ago
Josephus was not even born until 4 years after the alleged crucifixion. Well known historians of the era do not mention jesus
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Southpaw Σ:3 > oikos • a month ago
I think its important to know that the argument from silence doesnt really work from this evidence alone. What it does show is that the Gospel Jesus - the walking miracle man and son of God as depicted in the stories - is nothing more than legend.
It points to Jesus being a relative nobody, but the other important thing to keep in mind is that a relative nobody named Jesus is merely a POSSIBILITY. Its POSSIBLE that he existed in that sense. What we should be asking is: what is most probable?
It takes more than just the silence of history for us to know that Jesus didnt exist. That evidence is definitely out there, and people such as Richard Carrier, Earl Doherty, Robert Price, and David Fitzgerald have been arguing this for a while now.
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Dean > Southpaw Σ:3 • a month ago
Didn't the skies turn black and all the graves open up and the dead walk at the time of the crucifiction? You think that someone would have noticed and written about that.
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oikos > Southpaw Σ:3 • a month ago
It seems that christianity as a whole is a composite of other pilfered belief systems. Thank you for the authors and the other information.
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Southpaw Σ:3 > oikos • a month ago
Its not really fair to say they "pilfered" it or anything like that. Its more like a kind of cultural diffusion. Those ideas were all the rage at the time, and their cultural upbringings just inspired it. It wasnt like a conspiracy or anything, with a bunch of guys sitting around a round table wringing their hands and plotting to steal other religious ideas and take over the world. Though that would be even more hilarious!
If you want some good readings, David Fitzgerald's book "Nailed", Richard Carrier's book "On The Historicity of Jesus", anything from Robert Price's vast library of writings, and Earl Doherty's book "The Jesus Puzzle" (or the expanded followup "Jesus Neither God Nor Man"), are all really good.
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oikos > Southpaw Σ:3 • a month ago
I say pilfered because of the xtian appropriation of so many pagan holidays and traditions.
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Southpaw Σ:3 > oikos • a month ago
Yeah, in the case of things like Christmas, that seems like a fair description.
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Eric in Oakland > Gene • a month ago
Sorry, but the validity of the Josephus reference is highly doubtful. Other supposed historical references are even shakier. Liars for Jesus is not just a modern phenomenon.
http://ffrf.org/outreach/item/...
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Gene > Eric in Oakland • a month ago
and, I admit, I find the name of the source you write a perfect example of the "ax to grind".
I have degrees in History, and, as an agnostic associate (he makes his career as a history teacher, I don't) pointed out "the 'he never existed' argument is new, and weak. There is no reason not to believe that he did exist, men such as him are common, and a made up figure that would inspire such devotion from so many, so quickly, is a extraordinarily unlikely. Show me someone who is convinced the man was GOD (emphasis his) and I will show you someone motivated by faith and devotion. show me someone who is convinced he never even existed and I will see a devoted, passionate atheist, not a neutral historian"
We are each entitled to our opinion, are not, be they working in seminaries, or in groups devoted to not having a religious faith.
Last thought 1; obscure religious leader, non roman citizen, poor carpenter, taught for about three years in end of the world extreme eastern province of Empire. no army, no armed uprising, killed for sedition like countless others were at the time. People are expecting tomes...or anything for that matter, to be written about him by anyone other than his followers? Again, just speaking as someone who has taken more than one historical methodology class, the idea of so many coalescing around an idea that did not even have a real human to hang it on is as unlikely, as the idea that such a person as I described (roaming preacher in a land of them) is easy to believe.
Last thought 2; it was someone saying "he did not even exist" and my still neutral sense of history pointing out that this was bad history that was the beginning moment of my movement BACK into faith from my atheism at the time, though many other issues later helped the process along.
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Southpaw Σ:3 > Gene • a month ago
If you want to see a good argument for the non-historical Jesus, i highly recommend Richard Carrier's book On The Historicity of Jesus. The arguments are shockingly powerful, and the book was published by University of Sheffield, and was peer reviewed by biblical scholars. He uses Bayes Theorem to argue that the probability of Jesus existing as an historical person is very close to zero (1 in 12000).
His basic argument is that Christianity began as a type of mystery religion, where the apostles learned about the gospel and Jesus through revelations and esoteric readings of scripture. They believed he was a heavenly being who didnt exist on Earth. That changed after the gospels began to circulate, which created an earthly narrative for Jesus as a series of allegories and symbolic messages.
There is a lot to cover to see the whole picture, so i recommend looking at the book.
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jonfromcalifornia > Southpaw Σ:3 • a month ago
Except for Matthew the tax collector and possibly Judas Iscariot, the other Apostles were illiterate. That they could undertake any kind of intellectual "esoteric readings of scripture" was highly unlikely.
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Southpaw Σ:3 > jonfromcalifornia • a month ago
And how do you know that they were illiterate? The gospels? Why should we believe the gospels?
The other thing to know is that disciples and apostles are two different things. When looking at Paul's letters, he never mentions Jesus having disciples, only apostles (which means 'sent') who had contact with Jesus through revelations.
Carrier goes over this in great detail in his book.
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Eric in Oakland > Gene • a month ago
Look, I'm not saying that there was definitely no such person as Jesus. I'm only saying that the issue is in doubt. I'm agnostic on the issue of a historical Jesus. However, the evidence offered in support of his having existed is quite weak. You state that you consider the evidence for his nonexistsnce as weak, but I don't think it is any weaker than the evidence for his existence.
Also, I don't think it adds much to the discussion to say that the argument against his existence is relatively new. That says nothing about its merit.
Finally, your point about many people coalescing around the idea of Jesus lending credence to his historical reality seems a bit odd. There were numerous mystery cults around the same time period whose central figures most definitely were not real people. If a fictitious Mythras or Osirus could gain many followers, why couldn't a fictitious Jesus?
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Southpaw Σ:3 > Eric in Oakland • a month ago
Exactly. And the thing is, the pre-Christian Jewish theology that inspired Christianity doesn't even need an earthly, historical person to explain the origin of it. If you look at Paul's (authentic) epistles, the only Jesus he and everyone else knew was a heavenly being who never came to earth; everything he did was done in the heavenly realms above the earth. Jesus was only historicized later in the gospels, just like the Osiris cult did with their savior god.
That is all that is required to explain the origins. The slow growth of the religion is explained by the gospels, and the explosion in popularity is explained by the 3rd century Roman troubles, combined with it becoming the official religion in the 4th.
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Gene > Gene • a month ago
of course...whether one believes he was God or not, there is no question that many who claim to follow him are ignoring his admonition to love thy neighbor, to help the poor, to welcome the stranger in your land...that God is no respecter of persons, that great wealth is a SERIOUS threat to entry to heaven ( its best translated as a rope, not a camel, but the point stands about the eye of a needle)...in short, they use the bible to pick the "eye for an eye" parts of the old testament and ignore the "turn the other cheek" parts of the NT that dont fit in with their agenda. In short, they disgrace themselves, the God they say they follow, and look like assholes to the nonbelieves like you who look at them and go "if thats faith, you can keep that shit".
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and, seeing so much of that, I can't say I blame you for feeling that way.
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WhoDat • a month ago
Dear Franklin,
Being gay isn't contagious.
Sincerely, everyone with common sense.
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Tor > WhoDat • a month ago
Unfortunately, assholism is contagious.
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Ginger Snap • a month ago
I'm just plain old gay. I can't be satanic if I have no belief in the bible which satan, and God are derived from, so suck it Graham Cracker.
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jessi • a month ago
"And I thought to myself, they’re not going to influence those kids; those kids are going to influence those parent’s children."
and I thought to myself, "how weak their god must be, to be able to be influenced by them gays." poor Xtians, how sad
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pickypecker • a month ago
waiting....waiting....
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rabbit_ears > pickypecker • a month ago
But do we really want that? I'm ok without their love, in any form.
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Librarykid > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Yeah. It seems sort of icky and full of hate.
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pickypecker > rabbit_ears • a month ago
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rabbit_ears > pickypecker • a month ago
Top 'o the afternoon to ya Mr. Pickypecker!
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Todd20036 > pickypecker • a month ago
Does attaching someone to a St. Andrews cross count?
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thesunnysideofthestreet • a month ago
My straight christian brother has a personality disorder and is absolutely impossible to be around because he considers himself god's gift to this earth. His catholic wife despises her husband's 13 yo son and treats him like shit whenever she thinks no one can hear. These people are despicable in their treatment of those around them, but by Graham's insane standard they are intrinsically superior simply because of their sexual preference.
Religious fundamentalism is on the decline. I can't wait until it's extinct.
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Treant > thesunnysideofthestreet • a month ago
The adults are probably hopeless, but is there any way to help your nephew?
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thesunnysideofthestreet > Treant • a month ago
Unfortunately no. I spent some time with them but in the end my brother's personality disorder made it impossible to stick around. In keeping with that disorder he decided something was wrong with me because I called him on his compulsive lying and abuse. He has blocked contact with my nephew. It's all pretty much textbook stuff and there's nothing to be done.
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Treant > thesunnysideofthestreet • a month ago
Alas, but at least you tried, and you can feel great about that. He (your nephew, not your brother) may approach you when he's independent. He undoubtedly remembers the not-crazy uncle he's got. :-)
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KarenAtFOH > thesunnysideofthestreet • a month ago
Narcissism?
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Mark Alexander > thesunnysideofthestreet • a month ago
"Religious fundamentalism is on the decline. I can't wait until it's extinct."
From your mouth to the FSM's noodly appendages, my friend!
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HZ81 • a month ago
Yeah, because we're just lining up to be bored to tears about your fantasy world, Franklin.
I'd rather play World of Warcraft if I had that kind of fucking time to waste on a Sunday.
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Treant > HZ81 • a month ago
I find the priests in World of Warcraft rather enjoyable. When they stand in front of people and cast a spell, something actually happens.
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HZ81 > Treant • a month ago
Ha, I've actually never played but was a D&D head back in the day. Gary Gygax was my god!!
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Treant > HZ81 • a month ago
It's amusing. Right now, we're playing Age of Conan, which has a much more adult theme (free to download, free to play).
Even there, my priest can smite with the best of them, and then actually faith heal. And he's not going to demand your valuables to do it, either.
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Joseph Miceli > Treant • a month ago
Maybe they should to make the game more "real." Can you imagine? If you wear skimpy armor, you lose magic? If you don't preach, you take damage over time?
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Treant > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
That would depend on the god. :-) In most of D&D, the gods aren't particularly interested in what armor you're wearing, except that clerics don't train to wear heavy armor. The gaming reason is it's too much of an advantage. The in-game reason is that they don't have time to learn to use it due to their devotions and time spent learning magic.
Some gods want you to preach, some don't care.
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Joseph Miceli > Treant • a month ago
In ESO or WOW it would be a true pain in the ass to have to spread the word of Yaweh to every corner of the game or suffer a steady loss of manna.
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Octavio • a month ago
Gosh. It's only Tuesday. I thought all the "booga, booga" christofascist scare mongers came out on Thursdays. Oh well.
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Derrick Johns > Octavio • a month ago
You're right, Octavio. What the hell woke up the evangelicals this year. I guess 3 years ago the Mormon fellow wasn't their cup of bourbon. But my, they're all over the place this election year. And neither Donald nor Ted nor Marco are true evangelicals. Jeb doesn't want to be one.
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Gene > Derrick Johns • a month ago
Absolute....Abject... Terror.
The terror and fright and sense of impending doom if they dont change things back to their views of things (not gonna happen in any case), mixed with economic issues facing the working class (which they blame on effette, liberal, gay or pro gay, immigrant welcoming, feminist, internationalist, mainline or liberal catholic or atheist "enemies of America") have them truly on edge.
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Imagine all the gains GLBTs have made in the last 45 years since Stonewall. and women. and ethnic minorities. Now, make all the actors white lower middle class working guys with no college degree who worked in now gone factory jobs and took great solace in the assured teachings, shared at least on paper by all of society, of their Churches, and...play that scenario backwards.
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Thats how they feel...like everything they value is lost, and a N@#$%^ in the White House is about to be replaced by a (gasp) woman who is a liberal Methodist and married to (ick) Bill, and gays are in the military and the kids can't pray (actually, they can) in School and my new neighbors who bought the Johannsons house are from India or Ethiopia or a Lesbian couple and go some pagan temple or no where at all, or to a church that would MARRY those "damn lesbians"!
to us, progress...to them, its a hard a change to deal with as Scarlet and her lot in the aptly titled, "gone with the wind"
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Paula > Octavio • a month ago
Leap years scare them. They figger owt all that rithmetic
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Pierre • a month ago
Trust me, I stay as far away from all their goddam churches as possible!
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Todd20036 > Pierre • a month ago
I used to love going to the Limelight in NYC.
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Pierre > Todd20036 • a month ago
To be honest, I had been known to "pray" there on my knees in days gone by.
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perversatile > Todd20036 • a month ago
the Ladies Lounge in the Limelight was divine.
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Cuberly • a month ago
What?
Is Franky channeling Joffrey Jellineck?
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oikos > Cuberly • a month ago
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fuzzybits > oikos • a month ago
I love Amy!
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HZ81 > Cuberly • a month ago
Share the gifs of Joffrey in his speedo. Why? Just do it!!!
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Cuberly > HZ81 • a month ago
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Ok ok....sheesh.
Unfortunately couldn't find any animated ones. :(
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HZ81 > Cuberly • a month ago
Yaaay and yes!
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Cuberly > HZ81 • a month ago
My fave is the one where he's in the hammock but I couldn't find it.
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KCMC > Cuberly • a month ago
it's dancing, thrusting wildly on my screen...
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Treant > HZ81 • a month ago
Seconded.
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Octavio • a month ago
Reminds me of when I was 10 and my best friend, Max, told me we couldn't play together anymore. His parents had decided I was a bad kid and had a bad influence on him. They were serious momos. We never played together again. After high school Max attended BYU when mother was convicted and given prison time for embezzling money from the Utah State Training School, the campus where mentally challenged kids and adults go to be taken care of by the State.
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Treant > Octavio • a month ago
It sounds like you got off with the better in that deal. Max's mother might theoretically have had some influence over you.
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Octavio > Treant • a month ago
Probably. Max is a real estate developer who has been convicted for ripping off investors. No jail time just fines, but the Board of Realtors cancelled his broker license for life. His mother now suffers from Alzheimer's, and his lesbian-denying older sister is married to a major closet queen whose parents owned a men's clothing store and who used to "recruit" return mormon missionaries into odd sexual situations during the decades his family had the store. And they are all momos in good standing with their weird church. The more you know . . . . :-)
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Treant > Octavio • a month ago
OK, now I'm sure you got the better of the deal. Stay as FAR away from that family as possible.
We have few local momos and they keep their heads down. The one family I know is practically Stepford until you notice Mommy's valium prescription. And the slightly haunted look in Dad's eyes. And the slightly dead look in the kids' eyes.
Really, it's like Uncanny Valley.
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thatotherjean > Treant • a month ago
Mother's Little Helper. . .
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Treant > thatotherjean • a month ago
Yeah. I'm not criticizing, per se. I've been on Xanax for short periods of time during a very sudden death in the family. But all the time? No, and there are much better meds than Valium around.
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Stev84 > Treant • a month ago
Utah has the highest rate of antidepressant prescription. Really no surprise.
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Octavio > Treant • a month ago
Valium? Careful there. I have and am very fond of my Valium prescription. It's the SRI addicts you need to watch out for. A year before my father died his gerontologist put him on Zoloft, explaining that it was like vitamins for his brain. He suddenly became very chatty and a bit bitchy. It took six weeks to wean him off. Mormons take lots of serotonin reuptake inhibitors. So much so that it is actually at detectible levels in Utah Lake, a 25 mile by 5.5 mile body of water in the middle of Utah Valley south of SLC; the home of Provo and BYU. They don't call it Happy Valley for nothing. :-)
See: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?n...
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Treant > Octavio • a month ago
SRI addics? Careful there, I'm clinically depressed and on Effexor (an SNRI). Without it, I'm not functional. With it, I'm just very snarky.
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Octavio > Treant • a month ago
I'm very open about how much I appreciate and enjoy Valium, only to be criticized by people who think liking one's medication is a bad thing. I consider myself somewhat of a connoisseur. One thing about SRIs is that they do not break down. Also, approximately 80% of any given medication is flushed by our liver and kidneys intact and eliminated as waste. Sort of makes you think. But Prozac is prescribed in exceptionally large amounts in Utah Valley. True fact. So, imagine the affect upon those who depend upon the drinking water as well as the wildlife. The attached article's title is a bit of a joke (there are no trout in Utah lake. It is too polluted.) But everyone down stream in Salt Lake Valley's townships drinks that water. http://www.ksl.com/index.php?n...
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Treant > Octavio • a month ago
Ain't nuthin' wrong with liking your medication. I absolutely adore my Cardizem since it keeps me from, y'know, dying (exaggeration, it keeps me from being extremely uncomfortable and running a very high risk of a stroke and possibly dying one or two days a month).
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Octavio > Treant • a month ago
I hate it when I die one or two days a month. Coming back to life is always such a mean bitch. The death breath, alone, is enough to keep me dead. :-)
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camel54 > Octavio • a month ago
This would make a really good movie.......You just need to think of a suitable ending.
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Octavio > camel54 • a month ago
How about Max just sitting alone in his office whacking off to porn as the camera pulls away slowly?
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fuzzybits > Octavio • a month ago
And sobbing. It would fit well into a Lynch movie.
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Stev84 > Octavio • a month ago
Must be those family values they are always talking about
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barrixines • a month ago
I can't eat an American Christian- way too fatty.
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bkmn > barrixines • a month ago
Not to mention the strong aftertaste of bullshit.
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Todd20036 > barrixines • a month ago
Me neither, but I've cured a few gay people. You need to marinate them overnight, though.
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perversatile > Todd20036 • a month ago
"Is it true Matzo is made with christian babies?" My friend Harriet answered "How'd you find out? Who told you? Would you like some, it's homemade?" She's 78 and says it's Rabbinical Law for a Jewish mother to have at least one gay son, and all her kids turned out straight. When people ask if I'm her son,
(or G*D forbid that shiksa that asked if I was her grandson) she tells them
"No he's better than a son, my sons, they never call me"
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Cackalaquiano • a month ago
"We have to be so careful who we let into the churches."
So does that mean you assholes will stop evangelizing your fool heads off and leave us alone? I doubt it.
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Chris Baker • a month ago
Back in the day, Christians were told to invite their neighbors to their homes and their church, in order to convert them. Now they are being told to keep these "lost" people out of their churches and homes. The conclusion is that Satan must be more powerful than God?
Or maybe Christians will see that gays are just regular people like them, with the same jobs, concerns and worries and hopes? It used to be much easier to demonize gays when they could be all portrayed as creepy, disturbed, suicidal, depressed pedophiles, lurking in the shadows.
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Treant > Chris Baker • a month ago
In a more secular society with a weaker dominance by the religious, they've noticed that the conversion often goes the other way. They can't have that, so now they become isolated communities like the Amish.
I vote we send them care packages filled with Kool Aid*.
*Yes, it was Flavor Aid, I know that shit, but the meme is better with Kool Aid. :-)
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Gustav2 > Treant • a month ago
But always remember the Amish will do business with anyone in the public square.
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Treant > Gustav2 • a month ago
Of course, a closed and limited economy is one that's going to die very, very fast.
(We should point out that, living somewhat north of Amish country, I'm not exactly a banner-carrying supporter of the lifestyle. I find them insular, object to the frequent child--particularly daughter--abuse, rather hypocritical when convenient for them, and half a dozen other things. They make nice quilts, though).
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Arkansan > Chris Baker • a month ago
I take it as an admission of failure. All those Christians couldn't hold off the evils of the small percentage of gheys even with the guidance of their God. Feel the power!
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Southpaw Σ:3 > Chris Baker • a month ago
"Back in the day, Christians were told to invite their neighbors to their homes and their church, in order to convert them. Now they are being told to keep these "lost" people out of their churches and homes. The conclusion is that Satan must be more powerful than God?"
That's a really insightful observation, actually. I see it as a sign that Christianity is dying, so the hardcore are becoming more and more insular.
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MattM • a month ago
It's hard to keep hating gay people once you meet them and realize they're just trying to live their lives. So I understand Frankie's fear. Once the hate evaporates, so does the $$$.
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Friday > MattM • a month ago
Also there's the eternal question, of those who don't accept LGBT people are born, not made... Why, I wonder, do these Christianist haters seem to think 'turning people gay' is so *easy* that the only 'defense' is to ...completely obliterate any non-negative mention or even interaction with us? Apparently even in this case in the name of trying to 'convert' us to hating ourselves?
It's not just on this, ...it seems the worst of the haters find a lot of things 'tempting' including bad crimes, and call that 'fallen human nature.'
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MattM > Friday • a month ago
In the Quiverfull movement, women are to blame for their own sexual assault because they inherently tempted men to sin. For Christianists, it's always the victim's fault, because personal responsibility is not something Gawd cares about, apparently.
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Friday > MattM • a month ago
As Christian priests and ministers were known to call their underage victims 'tempters' and 'whores' and such, whichever sex, yes.
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chicago dyke • a month ago
always on Satan's side, in this house. i find him a very sympathetic character. what a bum rap. not to mention he's the only interesting one in the whole monotheism mythology cycles. all of those religions would be completely boring without him. srsly, they don't recruit with jeebus, they do it with the chills and thrills kids get when they first hear about Satan.
but thanks to the interwebs lots of kids are growing out of Satan like they are Santa. franki's right to be afraid.
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perversatile > chicago dyke • a month ago
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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perversatile > chicago dyke • a month ago
He's really out of her league, I don't get it when a 666 dates a 4 maybe a 6 at best, Whats in it for him?
I think South Park made Satan a lot more approachable, someone kids could relate to.
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chicago dyke > perversatile • a month ago
maybe, but when i was 7 or whatever when i saw that movie i knew i would own that dress someday.
and i do. ;-)/hellfire
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perversatile > chicago dyke • a month ago
I bet you look Devilishly Delicious!
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oikos > perversatile • a month ago
^THIS^
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pickypecker • a month ago
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GanymedeRenard > pickypecker • a month ago
Or the front door - depending on how good your oral talent proves to be. XD
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OrliJoe in Fla > pickypecker • a month ago
I've seen him out and about in Wilton Manors!
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Randy503 • a month ago
What he probably means is that the gay kids tried to explain that they are normal people, born this way, not satanic, and that frightened them because they started to believe that gay people are indeed normal. Can't have that.
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TampaZeke • a month ago
Over the centuries it's been called "shunning", "excluding", "the closet", "the veil", "segregation" and other things but the purpose and intention have always been the same. Keep people from becoming familiar with, and getting to know "the enemy" so that nothing challenges the hate and ignorance that bigots have so carefully instilled.
It's worked for centuries to maintain the oppression of women, black/brown people and LGBT people.
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Gustav2 > TampaZeke • a month ago
When you are a member of 'the elect' must protect your sinful self from the other.
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rusty57 > TampaZeke • a month ago
They would rather no one cut into their flock and horn in on their grift
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Bill • a month ago
These are not the ideas of God, Mr. Graham.
They are the ideas of mental illness.
We are here for you should you choose to seek any assistance, and will gladly help you.
Because LGBT people are more like Jesus Christ than any other people to walk this planet, so we understand. And we will help you.
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PLAINTOM • a month ago
Damn, we are powerful.
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Rex • a month ago
Just like Jesus said, "suffer the little children to come unto me." Except the gay ones and the ones with gay parents, keep them away.
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Necessitas • a month ago
It's coming into focus now...
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Frostbite • a month ago
He wants to keep "immoral" people out of his churches, hmmm, afraid of some competition?
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ceeenbee • a month ago
May I be the 100,785,456th person to say Fuck you, franklin, and fuck your whole sick family.
Thank you.
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Sapient • a month ago
How ironic. If kids were molested and raped at Chuck E. Cheese as much as they're molested and raped around pastors and churches, it would be illegal to take your kids to Chuck E. Cheese.
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Paige Turner > Sapient • a month ago
The church is the only business in the world that abuses its customers like this not only emotionally but physically and financially as well and they keep coming back for more and the government gives them tax breaks.
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Lakeview Bob • a month ago
"smiling and being real nice and loving"
REALLY? HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
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Treant • a month ago
While I generally avoid churches, now I'm tempted to go, lick my hand, and rub it on the church's siding. Just to make sure to spread the gay and all, and not on a door handle or anything where any cold I have might get spread around.
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Cuberly > Treant • a month ago
Lick it! LICK IT!!!
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perversatile > Cuberly • a month ago
wonder twin powers activated...
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Treant > perversatile • a month ago
Triplet powers. Guess what scene was going through my head when I said that?
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perversatile > Treant • a month ago
If Art doesn't reflect life -I mean really, what's the point?
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Treant > perversatile • a month ago
The Art I knew wasn't reflective, but he was built pretty nicely and had a big dick.
/realist
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perversatile > Treant • a month ago
Babs and Cracker
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Cackalaquiano > Treant • a month ago
I think that's #23 on the gay agenda, right?
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Coxygru • a month ago
We cannot and should not approve of the immoral lifestyle of "Christians" like Mr. Graham and his ilk. Lying and misrepresenting facts, ostracizing others, amassing fortunes from the misfortunate, manipulating the gullible, etc. Their sins are legion. Their sins must be condemned.
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Michael Rush • a month ago
Franklin Graham is coming to get you , Barbara ....
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Toasterlad • a month ago
I never tried devouring a home. Are they tasty? I'm going to be really mad if I've lived this long with nobody telling me about delicious houses.
Fucking Christians. Always trying to keep the delicious things to themselves.
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MonochromeMouse > Toasterlad • a month ago
if you ever find yourself wandering aimlessly through the black forest in Germany you can find some pretty delicious houses, but you have to be really careful about the people who live inside
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GanymedeRenard > MonochromeMouse • a month ago
Badass witches who're outcasts? We'd be in good company!
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bkmn > Toasterlad • a month ago
One can only wonder how many houses MOO-gie Gallagher has eaten.
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SFBruce • a month ago
I'm not a Christian, but the only perversion evident in these hateful ramblings is the way they've twisted Jesus' teachings. And bisexuality automatically equates to lots and lots of orgies??? Call me crazy, but I think you should actually learn a little something about a subject before you condemn it in such absolute terms.
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biki > SFBruce • a month ago
Xtian's don't learn about what is the current condemned idea/person/group du jour. They just twist the bible to spread hate.
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scorpiomike • a month ago
"You have immoral people who get into the churches and it begins to effect the others in the church and it is dangerous."
A little self evaluation goes a long way, Franklin.
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Dan • a month ago
So what's he's basically saying is that the "Immoral" people are one hell of a lot stronger and charismatic than your typical weak willed, pussy footed, lemming-like christian and their questionable belief system. Got it.
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
For those who say we need to be "tolerant" of opposing viewpoints, I'll simply say fuck that.
This man is a bigoted asshole and so is anyone who agrees with him.
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Octavio > Ninja0980 • a month ago
I agree with you so much. "Hitler wasn't that bad. He had some good ideas." I'm quoting my dead older brother when he was alive.
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Ninja0980 > Octavio • a month ago
My great grandmother thought that not using the N word made it okay to tell blacks that separate but equal was just fine.
She was truly shocked the ones she told that to didn't seem to like being told they deserved to be treated as second class citizens in a "nice" way.
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coram nobis > Octavio • a month ago
"Churchill ... With his cigars, and his brandy, and his rotten paintings! Rotten! Hitler, there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats! " -- The Producers
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GanymedeRenard • a month ago
In other words, Reverend Graham, your strategy must henceforth switch from proselytizing to hating gays. I see. Whatever happened to all that "hate the sin, love the sinner" bullcrap? Oh, I get it - your smiley façade is starting to fade... and it's showing your true hideous face. Now go fuck yourself for all I care, you miserable grifter!
Edit to add: I suppose you mean "affect", not "effect", sir?
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Little Kiwi • a month ago
you show me a sane person who talks about "Satan" as an actual entity and i'll show you a unicorn.
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petewestcentral > Little Kiwi • a month ago
That sounds naughty. Let's see it anyway.
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Joseph Miceli • a month ago
So if your kid turns out gay, kick them out onto the streets.
I hope this motherfucker dies and I hope he dies in pain. It will be what he deserves for what he's done to gay kids with his vile spewings.
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BudClark • a month ago
I take it the Suthren Babdist Church (sic ... local pronunciation) doesn't need ORGANISTS, then <eg>.
I have known ONE straight male organist in my life. He liked to beat up women.
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KarenAtFOH > BudClark • a month ago
Or choir directors, band members, art directors, or media experts. By the way, who does his makeup?
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Eric in Oakland • a month ago
Of course. It's much harder to demonize people once you get to know them.
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Chris Larosa > Eric in Oakland • a month ago
that's the problem. they don't know any of 'them':
1. We have cooties
2. We will influence you to become gay
3. God will hate you if you cozy up to LGBT people
4. You will compromise your 'Christian values'
5. "Christians' don't hang around gay people. That will automatically communicate that you 'approve of them' and God will have NONE of that!
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Mark • a month ago
"We have to understand who the Enemy is
and what he wants to do. He wants to devour our homes. He wants to
devour this nation and we have to be so careful who we let our kids hang
out with."
uh.....that would be freaks like you, Franky. You know, freaks who want to brain wash those little kiddies to believe in the non-existent....a myth....a fraud.
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KnownDonorDad • a month ago
"What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving."
Right, because Jesus was totally against that.
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BobSF_94117 • a month ago
What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving.
And the last time Franklin Graham was nice and loving is....
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zhera > BobSF_94117 • a month ago
2 months before birth. He COULD'VE kicked his mom right i the bladder, but didn't.
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bdsmjack • a month ago
How Christ-like.
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B Snow > bdsmjack • a month ago
Yeah. "What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving." -- I thought being real nice and loving was the whole message of Jesus. But I'm not Christian, so what do I know....
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shellback • a month ago
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Sk3ptic • a month ago
The enemy wants to devour your homes?
We respect our teeth WAY more than that.
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bkmn • a month ago
I take it Cranklin is a fan of Herr Cruz.
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Arkansan > bkmn • a month ago
Easier to recognize.
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BearEyes • a month ago
You have immoral people who get into the churches
and sometime do the preaching.
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Piercedchrlz • a month ago
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Harley • a month ago
And more people leaving the church in 3....2.....1
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Timothy Kincaid • a month ago
"What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving."
I might not be the world's foremost theologian, but wasn't Jesus more on the side of loving and less on the side of fighting? Just sayin
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Tor > Timothy Kincaid • a month ago
Except when it came to the money changers, which is our equivalent of Wall Street.
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Mark Cross • a month ago
Who does Franklin Graham (and the rest of Evangelical Christianity) think directs his choirs and his theatrical performances? There's more than a grain of truth in that stereotype.
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KarenAtFOH > Mark Cross • a month ago
He threatened them with firing if they didn't agree to be celibate. Oh wait, that only happened to me, I don't actually know about his staff! /-projection
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BudClark • a month ago
That bears not the SLIGHTEST resemblance to the teachings of Jesus.
An old Evangelical saying:
"The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints."
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BrandySpears • a month ago
I recently saw Graham on a very boring drag show on tv.
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Chris Larosa • a month ago
How sad. To relegate us as "the other" so it's easy to demonize us - literally. I can see this working in 1945...but in 2015? The power of fear and deception is strong in the church. "Of COURSE a gay person can get to Heaven! Uhh...just stop being gay..." What lunacy.
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Macbill • a month ago
And if some gay folk walk by, put your fingers in your ears and say real loud, "There's no place like church, there's no place like church, there's no place like church".
They will leave you alone.
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Necessitas • a month ago
This from a man who sells tickets to rubes to see his own mother's grave; she's just past the animatronic talking cow in an amusement park.
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bob • a month ago
We must HATE !
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OdieDenCO • a month ago
Why do I keep hearing "Witch! Witch!" every time he opens his mouth?
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Blake J Butler • a month ago
There are more churches on street corners than there are Starbucks. Places that are suppose to combat the issues that are happening here at home, and instead are too devoted with missionaries in some country under dictatorship rule, countries that get off on watching people suffer and die, all of that under guise that what they really are doing is looking to convert.
Graham is still living in the world that is long gone. the days where churches were popping up everywhere, the pews were full, and the collection plates were full. I think people are realizing that churches are not doing enough to combat issues like poverty, their strict stances on issues in the church, and a lot of them endorsing candidates for public office from the pulpit, telling people that only those who believe in god, especially their brand of what god is just to be considered a good person,and telling their congregation how to vote on ballot measures because of the churches ideology.
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Stogiebear • a month ago
"He wants to devour our homes. He wants to devour this nation...."
Careful there Satan. You'll end up with a ballbelly bigger than mine...
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biki > Stogiebear • a month ago
Love the new avatar!
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thatotherjean • a month ago
Right. Keep homosexual people out of churches and away from other people's kids--even if they're kids themselves--because god-fearing, Evangelical fundamentalist Christians will CATCH TEH GAY! It's just that attractive, that other, hitherto uninterested, people will be unable to resist. Sure, Franklin, only in your dreams. Now about those dreams. . .
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Baby Dave • a month ago
The time will come, and come very soon, when the religious lasers who have attacked GLBT people so vehemently will be a national embarrassment. I look forward to a time when their successors will apologize and express their shame in a never ending mea culpa
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Treant > Baby Dave • a month ago
It'll never happen. They might apologize, but it'll be a once and done, their believers will accept it, and they'll move on. Guilt? Reparations? Community support?
Picture me laughing.
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... > Treant • a month ago
Most likely they will gradually and quietly accept LGBTs, and claim that not only were THEY the ones who fought for equal-rights, but claim that the Liberals, etc., are the ones who tried to ban gay marriages and what not.
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Treant > ... • a month ago
Fortunately, the Internet Age has rendered most public positions immortal. :-) The hypocrisy should cost them a few more members at that time.
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scorpiomike > Treant • a month ago
Maybe, but doubtful. Some of these people stick to their beliefs even when the facts are against them.
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Baby Dave > Treant • a month ago
And after their once-and-done, they'll deliver speeches on Harvey Milk Day about the evils of homophobia, while using coded messages about how what they're really opposed to are 'promiscuous' gays or drag queens, etc etc
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Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
So, what is he saying? That we should take gay kids out and shoot them? Also, the jerk used the word effect incorrectly. It should have been affect.
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aar9n > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
No no no. He's saying that we should isolate and bully gay children so they can kill themselves and then he can say look the high suicide rate proves its unhealthy!
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Wynter Marie Starr > aar9n • a month ago
He's vile. I wouldn't let this piece of crap near my dogs and cat. Good people don't think we should hurt children.
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Porkie • a month ago
"Enemy"? Has this fool actually read the NewTestament?
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biki • a month ago
This about sums up my feelings about most xtian churches
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BlueLine > biki • a month ago
Pretty sad view of Christians there. Sorry to hear someone who claimed to be one mistreated you so much man. We aren't all like that
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biki > BlueLine • a month ago
Not Christians as a whole, nor all churches, but to many to enjoy.
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BlueLine > biki • a month ago
Yeah. I totally understand. As a Christian, my biggest problem with the world, is not atheists, or Satanists, or gays, or anything else, but people who claim to be Christians and yet say that there's someone out there God hates or doesn't want. Any real Christian will agree
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biki > BlueLine • a month ago
And therein lies my issue with organized religion. It has to long been used to keep the rich soothed and making sure those at the bottom of society firmly on the last rung. To use the bible, or any holy book to preach hate and violence is wrong. Religion, should be used to help others, to make us feel good by doing good for others, helping those who are in dire straits.
You are a true Christian, thank you for restoring my belief in good Christians.
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Secure • a month ago
Track Palin. Josh Duggar. Bristol Palin.
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wds • a month ago
And so, Franklin continues his war on his father's reputation ... John Osteen said that when folks get to heaven, not only are they going to be surprised by who IS there, but even more surprised at who ISN'T there ... I'm just saying ....
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Mark Cross • a month ago
Franklin Graham & Dr. Dobson could still save themselves some time, and spare the rest of us a lot of drama, and just suck each other off already. I've read this homophobic pulp fiction before, and it always ends the same.
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junesxing • a month ago
these are the same people that burned books in order to keep 'godless science' and different perspectives from 'infecting' their children. Sad, but even sadder if we allow them to get a further foothold into our government and schools.
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Orly • a month ago
Member of paedophile cult says what?
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Mark Alexander • a month ago
Satanic? Who still wears satan?
Oh wait...nevermind.
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JaniceInToronto • a month ago
Oohhhh! He really is a nasty piece of shit.
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biki > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
Without a doubt he is a shit frosted turd
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Kevin Perez • a month ago
So Franklin Graham is reduced to quoting Rogers and Hammerstein? You have to be carefully taught.
"we have to be so careful who we let our kids hang out with". Someone should let Franklin know that the song was not about a good thing.
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coram nobis > Kevin Perez • a month ago
I think the R&H song you have in mind is "Don't Throw Bouquets At Me." People will say we're in love.
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Friday > Guest • a month ago
Shows exactly how unrespectable his 'respected evangelist' Daddy's upbringing ever was, which is to say, far less impressive than he preached.
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Tom G • a month ago
Interesting idea. Invite only those without sin into your church.
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Tor • a month ago
"...We have to be so careful who we let into the churches. You have immoral people who get into the churches ..."
Just as Jesus would say.
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zhera • a month ago
Christer/crazy related, here's a link to an article about David Bowie. Now that he's dead, all the hyenas are coming out to 'claim' him. Prepare for enragement:
http://www.theimaginativeconse...
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justme • a month ago
Must be another "pledge" drive or time for "donations".. Donate your money but don't expect to be saved...
Ahh fake amerrican christians
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bambinoitaliano • a month ago
Poor Jesus. Not a day goes by without being whore out by these American pimps. Not to mention those johns that keep paying to fuck Christ over and over again.
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dcurlee • a month ago
What a moron Immoral people...you need just look around you. There's more immoral without anyone of the LGBT community to enter your church
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justme • a month ago
Hey FRANKIE.. Where/who would you be without daddy's money and fame...
Just a 2 bit whiner crybaby...
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Tor > justme • a month ago
Schtupping that other crybaby, Bristol.
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coram nobis > justme • a month ago
He doesn't sound much like his father. Apples don't fall far from the tree, but apples can be deaf, it seems. And rotten and wormy after one season.
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D. J. • a month ago
I hope his Daddy figures out a way you can take all that money with you when you die.
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Terry • a month ago
I hate how every time one of these stories come out, we have gays getting all up in arms to the point where they think those who are gay and have a belief in a higher power are idiots like GOProud or Log Cabins and KKKrisitians want to say I'm vile because I'm gay
I feel like I can't win with either crowd, but i won't apologize for my beliefs or who I am.
Yes, Franklin Graham is an idiot, but he doesn't speak for me. My church accepts me for who I am, I have a few gay friends at church who love being there and we contribute to it, welcome folks and love one another
Unlike my old church, I WANT to be at that one. I don't feel like I have to be there
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twinbeech2 • a month ago
Well, here's what Jesus (allegedly) said about it. "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
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BoJ • a month ago
Keeping the the gays out of the churchy places is going to cause a real shortage of church musicians and music directors. Just sayin . . .
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Joann Prinzivalli • a month ago
Wow - if one were to take Franklin Graham seriously, his churches would be empty.
Abigail van Buren pegged this in her "Dear Abby" advice column in 1964:
https://news.google.com/newspa...
"A church is not a museum for saints - it's a hospital for sinners."
(Of course, that assumes a religion with tenets that include concepts of "sin" and "forgiveness.")
Even Yeshua had disdain for the holier-than-thou Franklin Graham types in his preaching - Graham ought to re-read, or perhaps read fr the first time, chapter 23 of the Gospel of Matthew, and think on his statement.
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NMNative • a month ago
Because once you are around gay people, you will see that they are just like you and it will be hard to hate them. Does he not understand that's what he's saying?
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Derek Williams • a month ago
Keep your churches away from LGBT children!
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ExGayTherapyKills • a month ago
He makes us good Christians look bad.
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Robert Adams • a month ago
If we all became the good saints these preachers keep insisting we need be, there would be no need for them to preach at us. Then they would all have to go out and get a REAL job.
They need us sinners a lot more then we need them, else there goes the mansions and the multi-million dollar private jets.
Let's hear it! "Thank God for sinners! Amen!"
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emjayay • a month ago
I'm not a believer, but I think it is very unfortunate that so many hateful Christianists have pretty much ruined the image of all the other Christians, many of whom are reasonable, intelligent and loving people trying to do the right thing. These people aren't Christians. They are Christianists, Christofascists, Tealiban members, and Tealevangelists.
He's right in a way though. Bringing gay young people into your church isn't going to turn anyone straight. Also not going to turn anyone gay. It is however what Jesus would do.
I can kind of see how someone raised in a religion can believe in a Supreme Being. I know some rational adults who are believers. Being a member of a church of course offers a lot more than a place to worship. But this Satan business is just ludicrous.
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Reality.Bites > emjayay • a month ago
It's so sad when the overwhelming majority gives the tiny, cowardly minority a bad name.
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emjayay > Reality.Bites • a month ago
OK, funny, but not true. These people are a minority of mostly only American Christians. Although they have a lot in common with many of the more recently minted African Christians who started out a couple thousand years behind.
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scottrose • a month ago
The blood of gay bashing victims is dripping off of Franklin Graham's fingers.
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fuzzybits • a month ago
Why can't he just shut up and enjoy the millions he and his father have bilked from little old ladies?
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kaydenpat • a month ago
So now he's advocating hating gay kids? How pathetic and evil. He is such an awful person.
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Terry • a month ago
Yes I'm gay and believe in God, no...I'm not an idiot.
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BostonDotTom • a month ago
So being loving is wrong. Isn't that literally the opposite of what you guys are supposed to do? You know, that whole, whatever you do to the least of them, stuff?
Oh right. You're actually running a scam and nothing more.
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Gianni • a month ago
Did last week's donations drop? Has his income fallen a little bit since the last anti-gay diatribe? It looks like it. That's the only reason I can come up with to stoke that fire again so soon.
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jonfromcalifornia • a month ago
Franklin Graham is satanic. Who else could do what Satan does best, drive people away from God?
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Ryan Hunter • a month ago
This idiot is even more of a jerk than his father. if that is even possible.
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JCF • a month ago
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Ogre Magi • a month ago
christians are dog feces
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Lane • a month ago
Apparently I need more bisexual friends in my life!
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Robert Conner • a month ago
Damn straight, Franklin! Gay kids are Children of the Corn who are going to sacrifice Christians in bloody Satanic rituals! (If only.)
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sequel • a month ago
I don't want to listen to that tipe of thing today. I just listened to the trump liberty university speech and had my fill of conservative. Just tell me what he thinks of bisexuals - is it threesomes or is he a bit more creative?
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Rod Steely • a month ago
"We have to understand who the Enemy is and what he wants to do." We understand and we know it is grifters like you!
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KarenAtFOH • a month ago
Virulent Fundamentalism is a choice.
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Bill Harnsberger • a month ago
Another tirade against the LGBT community.....without a shred of evidence to back up his claims. Ain't is nice to be a leader of the god squad.
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justmeeeee • a month ago
How did Billy manage to spawn such a freak-a-zoid?
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anne marie in philly • a month ago
oooooooooooh, I'mma sure everyone listens to what this asshole has to say - NOT!
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BobSF_94117 • a month ago
“We have to understand who the Enemy is and what he wants to do.
If you're gonna capitalize "Enemy", should "he" be capitalized, as well?
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Ron Robertson • a month ago
hey franklin dickhead, why don't you go hunting with cheney?
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Sporkfighter • a month ago
"What happens is we think we can fight by smiling and being real nice and loving."
Frankie should read for comprehension.
Romans 14:1-23 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...
Colossians 3:12-14 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
Ephesians 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ...
Luke 6:32-36 If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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pickypecker • a month ago
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teeveedub • a month ago
"Carson cares about God and America. Obama cares more about his climate change cult than he does keeping Americans safe ..."
Translation: Carson cares about slogans and jingoism. Obama cares about actual issues that face the American people.
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Robincho > Guest • a month ago
Gravity: It's not just a good idea anymore... IT'S THE LAW!
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Chucktech > Robincho • a month ago
Gravity is only a theory...
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paulalovescats > Chucktech • 19 days ago
Satire, I hope. It's both.
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tcinsf > teeveedub • a month ago
Oh, the irony of religious people referring to science as a cult.
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B Snow > tcinsf • a month ago
And the irony of saying that climate change concern has nothing to do with keeping people safe....
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j.martindale • a month ago
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bkmn • a month ago
For he learned of this travesty by reading poverbs.
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TimCA > bkmn • a month ago
If the good Lord in His infinite wisdom had meant man to spell correctly, He would have incorporated the Merriam-Webster into the Bible.
(snark)
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SFBruce > bkmn • a month ago
This is exactly what came to my mind, as well. At least this time, he managed to spell all four words correctly.
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vorpal > SFBruce • a month ago
Christianity seems to be correlated with bad spelling and poor grammar. Since Christianity isn't genetic, by their logic, stupid must be a choice.
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paulalovescats > vorpal • 19 days ago
Don't play that card. Maybe the extreme right is ignorant and uneducated. I'm no smarter than I was ten years ago.
I have ALWAYS had good spelling and grammar.
You get indoctrinated, and it's a powerful thing. It's hard to give up.
I wasn't mentally ill or stupid.
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Steverino > bkmn • a month ago
Poverbs accompany loose vowels.
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Joseph Miceli > Steverino • a month ago
Poverbs be on the welfare.
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Bad Tom > Steverino • a month ago
I read that as loose bowels.
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Verbal diarrhea. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Chucktech > bkmn • a month ago
The fact that Dr. Stabby not only didn't have this grotesque embarrassment removed but allowed it to be photographed and presented in the Media should cause not only derisive scorn and mocking, but demonstrate in sharp relief why he is breath-takingly unqualified to run for any elected office.
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Judas Peckerwood > bkmn • a month ago
Misspelling aside, what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
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bkmn > Judas Peckerwood • a month ago
That engraving is in Dr. Stabby's house, along with the velvet painting of him with Jeebus' hand on his shoulder. He paid someone to misspell Proverbs.
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Nic Peterson > bkmn • a month ago
Klingon Jesus. There is a difference.
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Stogiebear > Judas Peckerwood • a month ago
Misspelling aside again, where the hell is the space after the comma?
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Michael Smith • a month ago
I would pay good money for a reporter to ask him what decade In God We Trust was added to the currency.
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bkmn > Michael Smith • a month ago
Adam and Eve put it on the first schekel.
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teeveedub > bkmn • a month ago
But ... but ... but if Adam and Eve were the first people, who were they gonna buy stuff from with those shekels? (I'm asking for a friend who is having a crisis of faith.)
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Azima Khan > teeveedub • a month ago
The apple wasn't free, the snake had to charge them due to pesky regulations that are known to drive up prices
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GanymedeRenard > teeveedub • a month ago
From Lilith, Satan, and the fallen angels, silly. XD
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Chucktech > Michael Smith • a month ago
1492? 1776? 1812? 1861? Aw, c'mon, not one of those??
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marshlc • a month ago
Obama cares more about his climate change cult than he does keeping Americans safe,
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And there it is - thinking that printing magic words on the money does more to keep Americans safe than actually doing things that really do help keep Americans safe. How does one deal with such people?
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JoeNCA > marshlc • a month ago
Seriously.
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GanymedeRenard > JoeNCA • a month ago
So true.
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Joseph Miceli > marshlc • a month ago
Sterilization?
Just where the hell ARE those FEMA death panels? It's been 5 years!
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pickypecker • a month ago
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CB > pickypecker • a month ago
This doofus just hands you photoshop wizards material! Hilarious.
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Bill • a month ago
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Six Pins Delores > Bill • a month ago
Love Judge Judy but one could have a seizure looking at that
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fastlanestranger • a month ago
"And the Lord was ready to smite the earth...but then he looketh upon the Facebook profile photos and knew these were a good people...and he smiteith not the earth." Revelations Revisited 7:14
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Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Speaking of Doc Stabby, this just in
(credit where credit is due...)
Staffers for Ben Carson‘s campaign in Iowa were involved in a car crash today and were immediately brought to hospitals.
A statement from the Carson campaign says that a van being driver by a staffer, with three campaign volunteers as passengers, when the van hit a patch of ice, flipped on its side, and got hit by another car.
The staffer and two of the passengers are at the Cass County Memorial Hospital, while another passenger is being brought to a trauma center in Omaha.
In response, Carson has suspended all campaign activity today. The candidate spoke with the family of the volunteer going to Omaha and will travel there later today.
http://www.mediaite.com/online...
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bkmn > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
One staffer and three volunteers is probably his entire Iowa staff the way people are jumping his sinking ship.
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Sam_Handwich > bkmn • a month ago
hey, hey!
lol
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Circ09 > bkmn • a month ago
And from Texas. That should tell you something about how disliked our sitting Senator is even in his home State.
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PLAINTOM > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
God did it, she has had it with this idiot.
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Frank Elliott > PLAINTOM • a month ago
Jesus hates comma splices.
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Steverino > Frank Elliott • a month ago
Then Jesus must really hate the Second Amendment.
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Mark > PLAINTOM • a month ago
it's a sign from gawd that he should roll over.
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PLAINTOM > Mark • a month ago
These folk say they believe in signs but God slaps them upside the head and they just don't get it. :)
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David F. > PLAINTOM • a month ago
God needs to smite them harder!
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Ragnar Lothbrok > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
That's very close to me, its been snowing all day.
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Gustav2 > Ragnar Lothbrok • a month ago
Ilias is coming for you!
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Bj Lincoln > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
While I am sorry they are all injured and hope for a speedy recovery, I do wish they would take this as a sign to just stop supporting this nutjob.
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Chucktech > Bj Lincoln • a month ago
If they're as god-addled as he is, they really might be delusional enough to think just that.
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Guess > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
In Doctors I Trust.
(The ones that work in Iowa/Nebraska, that is.)
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pickypecker • a month ago
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RustynAtlanta • a month ago
'A man's true character comes out when he's running for office.'
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > RustynAtlanta • a month ago
A blank space... how fitting.
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Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
I'll get right on changing my FB PP. Here ya go!
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BudClark • a month ago
If memory serves, it was the neo-fascist Retch (sic) Wing Roman Catholic KKKnights of KKKolumbus who led the charge for the change. The Supreme Court should never have allowed it in the first place; now we're going to have hell's own time getting rid of it.
But we will ... eventually.
And it's not TRUE. If we REALLY trusted "god," (whoever or whatever THAT is), we wouldn't have the largest defense budget and the largest army in the world.
AND the numb-nuts ammosexuals wouldn't need personal arsenals.
In point of fact, "god" has NEVER protected ANYBODY from ANYTHING.
Cases in point: the Black Death, the Holocaust, the atom bomb, pediatric cancer, etc. etc. etc.
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oikos • a month ago
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TexasBoy • a month ago
Because...you know.... prior to when "In God We Trust" was added to money in 1956, American Currency was worthless....oh...wait...
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tcinsf • a month ago
I don't miss facebook and this "change your profile pic" bullshit.
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Mark > tcinsf • a month ago
Glad I've never been sucked in to that travesty. I've seen it a few times at a friends' house who's on it - what a waste of time.
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pickypecker > Mark • a month ago
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tcinsf > pickypecker • a month ago
Lip is my hero.
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Mark > pickypecker • a month ago
that little bastard stole my lines!
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Todd20036 > Mark • a month ago
Yeah, I'd fuck him too
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tcinsf > Mark • a month ago
I deleted it for new years. I'd decided it was toxic. The first day or so I felt like a Borg disconnected from the collective - all the background noise stopped. Then I realized how much better the world is without all that babble.
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Chris Baker > Mark • a month ago
Facebook is what you make of it. Anything can be a waste of time, if you let it. Watching TV, going to the bar, playing video games, going shopping, etc.
I like to share photos with my friends and family, and see what they are up to. I probably spend less than an hour a week on FB.
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Chucktech > Chris Baker • a month ago
That means you're doing it wrong... ;)
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Steve Teeter > Chris Baker • a month ago
"Anything can be a waste of time, if you let it." Like reading ALL the comments on JMG? Or is that heresy.
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Mark > Mark • a month ago
I may get me one of those facebook thingies. that way, when I get a boil on my ass, I can share it with somebody..,,
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NZArtist > Mark • a month ago
Same here. Why would I want to present a lie to the world? I couldn't be honest about who I am and what I do on the weekends there, so everything would be sanitized pap for mass consumerism.
Fuck that - I'm more complex than Facebook would ever allow.
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tcinsf > NZArtist • a month ago
Initially I thought it was a good idea for simple things, and with a very small group of friends and family. Was rather convenient to take a picture on vacation and save the effort of writing all those post cards. But then I came to realize how reductive it all was, life and interpersonal relationships being dumbed down to a glorified Christmas card letter. I actually kinda like picking out postcards for individuals and writing something they would like.....
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NZArtist > tcinsf • a month ago
Well exactly. When you're conversing with people you care about everything you do and say is in the context of your shared history - your shared relationship.
When I'm talking with work colleagues the shared context is 'work'. We talk in terms of customers, projects, previous results.
When I'm talking with friends the context is more intimate.
Trying to dumb my life down to 'lowest common denominators' for general consumption is impossible. The result would bear as much relationship to 'me' as any randomly chosen Facebook account would.
It would be a complete fabrication.
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Treant > NZArtist • a month ago
So you're a serial killer on weekends or something?
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Joseph Miceli > Treant • a month ago
Everyone needs a hobby.
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Treant > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
Tru dat. I make soap, so have plenty of lye around if you need some. Just sayin'.
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NZArtist > Treant • a month ago
:) No. But would you like your boss (well, maybe you would...) to know what you and your sex-toy collection get up to?
Pretend for a moment (obviously it's not true, because that would be illegal) that I occasionally share a joint of marijuana with friends. I cant talk about that where my boss would read it.
Suppose at a party with friends I ended up naked, drunk, and puking into a bucket in the middle of the lounge...
My friends and I could laugh about it (if such an unimaginable thing were to ever happen to responsible person like myself) when we're together, but I cant talk to my mother about it.
I'm a complex creature, okay? Maybe I've experimented with enemas and catheter play... I'm certainly not going to tell *you* about it. And certainly not under my real name.
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Treant > NZArtist • a month ago
...I grow Madagascar periwinkle.
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Mark • a month ago
gawd and money.....just naturally go together.....
just ask brother perkins, brother huckabee, brother duggar, brother dolla.....
oh brother!
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B Snow > Mark • a month ago
Gawd and money, gawd and money, go together like a bee and honey.....
Now that song will be stuck in my head all night.....
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme • a month ago
E pluribus unum is what belongs on the currency.
The religious motto is an unconstitutional hijack.
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Bj Lincoln • a month ago
Get it off my money and out of my pledge!
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rabbit_ears • a month ago
I can't wait to see the parody pictures.
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Sam_Handwich > rabbit_ears • a month ago
ok...
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rabbit_ears > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Vewy vewy weww done!
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Gene Perry • a month ago
is Dr. Ben running for President or for Bishop?
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NZArtist > Gene Perry • a month ago
In the Republican voter's mind is there any difference?
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TheManicMechanic • a month ago
In God I Fart.
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HanyBaal > TheManicMechanic • a month ago
Is it too gauche to post a similar sign saying " F#ck your God"?
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Todd20036 > HanyBaal • a month ago
Hardly. My deity of choice is Pripus.
Bring LOTS of lube and serious poppers.
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TheManicMechanic > HanyBaal • a month ago
Not in the least.
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GanymedeRenard • a month ago
In which god, dear Federal Reserve?
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Oscarlating Wildely > Guest • a month ago
I can't stand Dr. Stabby or any of his GOTP ilk but I do hope that these staffers are all right. There is no need for snark, just civility when anyone is experiencing a medical emergency such as what this appears to be.
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Circ09 > Oscarlating Wildely • a month ago
Weirdly, the kid hurt is a relative of mine. Yes, I have family campaigning for the "other" side. Carson sent a jet to pick up his parents today.
UPDATE: B died about 30 minutes before his parents arrival.
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Beagle > Circ09 • a month ago
My condolences to your family.
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TimCA > Circ09 • a month ago
The world really is such a small place. I hope you're ok and around other people during this rough time, especially if you two were close. Wishing the best for his parents. So sorry to hear this.
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Circ09 > TimCA • a month ago
It really is a small world. I knew B was campaigning for Carson but even after I read about the accident on my newsfeed I didn't think anything of it until my mother called me yesterday afternoon. His grandmother and my mother are first cousins and very close. But I barely knew B since I lived outside of Texas for most of the time he was growing up. I think the last time I saw B was at a family event a couple of years ago. We talked about voting rights here in Texas and were very much in agreement with what needs to change.
I disagree with his ideals, of course, but he was just a young man trying to do good and make a difference in the world. Giving up your life to a campaign is a hard gig. I'll always admire him for his dedication.
And I've got to give props to Carson's camp. They bent over backwards to try and get his parents in Midland to B at the hospital. And by all accounts have been great to his family throughout this whole thing.
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WhoDat > Guest • a month ago
Like he suspended his campaign to sell books? Or is he actually quitting?
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
It truly is amazing how not being able to treat certain groups of people as second class citizens is persecution in their minds.
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BlueberriesForMe • a month ago
"In Stabby's Name, We Stab". Perfect.
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Kelly Lape • a month ago
I trust God, I just don't trust men who use God for political purposes.
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NZArtist > Kelly Lape • a month ago
Trust it to... kill innocent children? Rape women? Murder men?
Create cancer?
Just what exactly is it you trust your imaginary friend to do? Oh... nothing at all. Got it. Coincidentally I trust the absence of imaginary friends to do *exactly* what you trust your imaginary friend to do. It's almost like... almost like there's *no* imaginary friend, right?
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Kelly Lape > NZArtist • a month ago
Why the hostility? What do you care if I, or anyone else has a different belief system than you?
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prjoe > Kelly Lape • a month ago
I'm an atheist and agree 100% with you.
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NZArtist > Kelly Lape • a month ago
I absolutely don't care. Believe the moon is full of marmalade, if that gives you a hardon.
I care about you talking about it, and empowering the crazies who use their invisible friends to curtail my rights. I care about you giving legitimacy to the craziness of having imaginary friends.
But in all honestly I care not a jot whether you think santa is real or not. It's your head - fill it with whatever crap you like.
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Kelly Lape > NZArtist • a month ago
I respectfully and humbly request you cool your tits. I would ask you to consider that your open and public hostility plays into the religious rights lie that gay people are out to take away "their freedom"
There is no running away from this fight for the conscience and future of America. We won't win it by attacking our fellow citizens. The idea that those who disagree with us are our enemies is a losing proposition. Quit giving the "crazies" ammunition to say "both sides do it". Christians may not live up to the message of Christianity, but when atheist refuse to fall in to hate and anger, we win.
No one needs God to be moral, so stop acting like you have no goodness in your heart. Why let false prophets steal joy from your heart?
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NZArtist > Kelly Lape • a month ago
Thank you for your concern - my life is a fantastic place to live.
If people with imaginary friends choose to talk about their crazy, they can just deal with me calling out their crazy.
The christian crazies just make up shit whether I give them 'ammunition' or not - it's part of their crazy. See, their crazy is just made-up shit anyway. Irrespective of whether I tell them their delusions are just made up, they're still going to talk about their crazy shit.
So, every time some crazy delusions god-botherer talks about their imaginary friend, I'm going to tell them it's crazy.
You're completely welcome to ignore me, do something else, hell you can even go around doing that 'respect for your craziness' thing which empowers the legitimacy of having imaginary friends. I cant stop you.
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Kelly Lape > NZArtist • a month ago
Newsflash: Athiest believes in Hell.
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NZArtist > Kelly Lape • a month ago
Que?
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Bad Tom > NZArtist • a month ago
I was shocked to discover my dental hygienist is a Creationist. Right there while I was sitting in the chair.
I was showing her my Kindle Fire 6, and she saw my copy of Darwin's Descent of Species, which I am currently reading. She asked, "Do you really believe we were descended from monkeys?" The scorn in her voice was obvious
I replied that isn't what he says, and if you actually read his books, his arguments are wonderful, and really quite readable. And that evolution is actually the best supported scientific theory, ever, period.
I didn't convince her. She certainly didn't convince me.
But, I reflected, it didn't seem to affect her ability to scrape my teeth.
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NZArtist > Bad Tom • a month ago
Blimey. I would have walked out. If the crazy is that strong in her I wouldn't trust her with my teeth. Not only is she too crazy to understand evolution, she's crazy enough to try to infect you with her crazy, uninvited.
The crazy grabs these people and compels them to try to infect others. You thought zombie apocalypse was bad...
Why give your money to someone who obviously is actively spreading the disease which curtails your rights? If you see someone is infected with the crazy, don't encourage them by giving them your money.
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Bad Tom > NZArtist • a month ago
Second intriguing detail: she has no problem with me being gay. That dental office treated both of us for quite some time; they fully get that we both have the same last name, and live at the same address. They ask how Paul is doing when I go in for an appointment.
So, I have elected to remain engaged.
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Bad Tom > NZArtist • a month ago
Also, an intriguing detail: she's a Jewish Creationist.
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Bad Tom > NZArtist • a month ago
She's been my dental hygienist for about a decade.
I've been going to this dentist for over twenty years. He came to America from Crimea. Here, his DMD was no good, so he put himself through dental school again, delivering pizzas. He delivered pizza to my house. (I tend to tip well, because, shit, I wouldn't do that.) He's a great dentist; his office is a fifteen minute walk from my house.
If I could survive being forced to attend my Grandma's fundie church when I had to go live with her, I can survive this. ;-)
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Tigernan Quinn • a month ago
Please, in my lifetime, can we somehow free ourselves from this religious stranglehold. I never thought I'd be able to get legally married, and I've got a good thirty more years in me, so maybe maybe maybe maybe.
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WhoDat • a month ago
I wonder how it'd go over with Carson if I held a sign that said "Allahu Akbar".
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KnownDonorDad • a month ago
Refresh my memory, was he also on the front lines during the latest War on Christmas?
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Stogiebear > KnownDonorDad • a month ago
He would have been but Donald Trump renewed the Jingle Bell Jihad on Jan 7, 2016. It really does start earlier and earlier each year.
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BearEyes • a month ago
and remember to thank those liberal progressives who fought for the affirmative action you benefited from.
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NZArtist • a month ago
Odd that you'd put 'In god we trust' on a medium of exchange. Obviously if you need cash, trust isn't good enough.
But, you know, crazy people and their invisible friends... It's all about delusions and denial of contradictions.
"Please do send more of those bits of paper with 'In god we trust'. Because I don't trust I'll get elected without them..."
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Cuberly • a month ago
Alternate sign: It's 2016 and we still have meaningless incantations on our currency. Really.
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vorpal • a month ago
climate change cult, Marxist upbringing...
Faith in humanity is rapidly approaching zero.
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Todd20036 > vorpal • a month ago
It's cool. You still have to Volgons, the Vorlons, the Gorn, the Romulans, the Norm...
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DaveMiller135 • a month ago
Oh c'mon, it's kind of cute that he still thinks he's a candidate for something.
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Gianni • a month ago
I'm somewhat surprised to see he spelled the words correctly.
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Tom Schott • a month ago
I don't have much of an objection to having the g-word on our money. I've always taken it as an admission that the god they worship IS Money. It is obviously the case.
I just think there are other far more important areas in which to fight dominionist assholes. But that's just my opinion!
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Joseph Miceli > Tom Schott • a month ago
I don't like the way they creep into our lives through the corners. Replacing "E pluribus Unum" with the insincere "In God We Trust" is a sea change in the zeitgeist, and an unwelcome one.
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Robert Conner • a month ago
Can an idiot become a brain surgeon? At last we have a definitive answer.
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Guess • a month ago
"Carson 2016! Because Allen West 2016 would just make it obvious we're trolling."
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pickypecker • a month ago
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WhoDat • a month ago
Carson would hate me: a progressive and secular Christian.
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Todd20036 > WhoDat • a month ago
I know he hates me.
I'm a white, progressive, secular, Jewish pooftah, who's probably better endowed than that poser.
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Quadrillion • a month ago
This jibbity jabbity pastor pork chop eating house negro is probably the most narcissistic in this year's heap of republicans, but he's so dumb and mean that he can't even pull that base quality of well.
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Ragnar Lothbrok • a month ago
Hey Dr Bendo- Jesus healed the sick and fed the poor- for FREE !!
lol tell that to your BASE ha ha ha ha
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Blake J Butler • a month ago
"i'm not religious but" Dude you have used your faith as reference for the bullshit that comes out your mouth. Including using your faith as the reason why those people were gunned down in that community college in Oregon. (guy killed an atheist so stop with the persecution complex).
Also "In god we trust" was never there to being with, it was added in 1956 to combat communism, because people confused atheism being associated with communism.
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Gustav2 • a month ago
Frankly my dear, the Constitution doesn't give a damn.
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Todd20036 • a month ago
If he wants something godly, then change "God" to "Allah".
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paulalovescats • 19 days ago
Too bad the Constitution guarantees protection for the minority against the majority, and that the US is a secular country and can't endorse a particular religion.
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EqualityForAll • a month ago
I wish I knew where he bought his toothpicks. I can barely see them propping his eyelids open.
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Joann Prinzivalli • a month ago
It's no good without the second half of the phrase!
In God we trust, all others pay cash.
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Joann Prinzivalli > Joann Prinzivalli • a month ago
While we're at it, whenever I hear "one nation under god" in the pledge of allegiance, I get the image of a scruffy white-bearded old man forcibly raping the goddess of liberty, missionary-style. When you think about it - people like Carson support their patricarchalist misogynist heterosexist cissexist religion raping the rest of us, figuratively, if not literally.
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James L. Greenlee • a month ago
There is no argument that makes sense for keeping it, and legal decisions that DO always tie logic into a knot to get there. But I--as an atheist--have always thought this was a fight that just really wasn't worth the effort. To Jeebus beliebers, it makes us look unserious and petty, whether we agree or not.
But it is funny, that they'll bend over backward to call the motto generic, non-specific, no big deal, traditional, ceremonial; BUT YOU BETTER-BY-GOD NOT REMOVE IT!!!
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Dan Robinson • a month ago
Liberal progressives: Open minded people who want progress.
Devil worshipers!!
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BeccaM • a month ago
Only a fool can't see the sheer pandering hypocrisy in putting a religious affirmation on currency.
Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Adryl is exactly that kind of fool.
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glass • a month ago
ruh-roh! someone woke up Dr Benadryl, and charged up his tinfoil hat.
beeeep-beep beep beep beeeep
are you there god? it's me dr stabby.
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kaydenpat • a month ago
Shut up, Ben. You're done.
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Secure • a month ago
THAT will help you get elected Dr. Stabby!
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Richard Rush • a month ago
"In God We Trust."
If you are gullible enough to trust in God, then you are a great target for a scam. As I always advise aspiring young scammers, "The most profitable lesson you will ever learn is that religion is your best friend."
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DirtyPierre • a month ago
Nice print for toilet paper.
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anne marie in philly • a month ago
FUCK YOU, IDIOT! am I happy I don't have a facebork account!
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Rillion • a month ago
Lawsuit will fail. USA worships money, so it is totally appropriate that our currency is marked as our god.
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Cackalaquiano • a month ago
I'm going to peruse my fb account and block anyone who changes their pic. Pretty sure I already purged those idiots though, back with the "Stand with Chik fil A" bs.
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Michael White • a month ago
We live in Indiana and we have car license plates that say "In God We Trust'. They are the rudest, least considerate drivers on the road. That is my opinion of those with false religion - ass holes all
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bkmn • a month ago
If he wants to have a conversation about making the country better I would suggest starting at ending the tax-exempt status for religions.
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dcurlee • a month ago
First Carson makes me want to puke. our current president has done nothing but make sure our citizens are taken care of....again I have my faith and beliefs and respect those of others but that should not be an equation in politics
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HomerTh • a month ago
Funny how that phrase doesn't appear on any other currency.
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Dr. Stabby To Catholic TV: Abnormal Gays Don’t Deserve Extra Rights Like Same-Sex Marriage [VIDEO]
January 11, 2016 2016 Election, Teabagistan
“It’s beyond ridiculous that you take the most abnormal situation and then you make everyone else conform to it. That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. That’s one of the very reasons that I have been an outspoken opponent of things like gay marriage. I don’t have any problem with gay people doing anything they want to do. You know, it’s a free country, there’s freedom of association. However, when you now impose your value system on everybody else and change fundamental definitions and principles of society, I have a big problem with that. Everybody is equal, everybody has equal rights, but nobody gets extra rights. And when we start trying to impose the extra rights based on a few people who perhaps are abnormal, where does that lead?” – Ben Carson, speaking on Catholic television.
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Ben in Oakland • a month ago
Dear Dr. Stabby,
I am glad to hear that you, as a black man, are now considered "normal".
You didn't used to be.
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BearEyes > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
and he's gained 2/5. Does that mean he now has "extra rights"?
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Nic Peterson > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
Most Christians don't consider SDAs to be normal. I think heretic is a word they like to use.
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Homo Erectus > Nic Peterson • a month ago
I know, right? Why is he talking to catholics in the first place.
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Ben in Oakland > Nic Peterson • a month ago
Do I smell something burning?
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Christopher > Nic Peterson • a month ago
"SDAs"? Oh, Stabby Doctors Anonymous! Gotcha!
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Ninja0980 > Guest • a month ago
I have relatives in Upstate NY and they feel the same way.
There are many places where he could go and think he was back in the 1950's.
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clay > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
particularly when it comes to matters of sex.
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another_steve > clay • a month ago
Trump's comment that Hillary was "shlonged" by Obama during the 2008 primaries was widely perceived as a racist dog whistle to the base. The "black man rapes white woman" thing.
The mainstream media were afraid to go there, but people got it.
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Six Pins Delores > another_steve • a month ago
Hil is a DOG
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olandp > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
He is not normal, and that has nothing to do with his race.
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shellback • a month ago
"I don’t have any problem with gay people doing anything they want to do."
Well, then. Shut the fuck up.
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Schlukitz > shellback • a month ago
Touché!
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oikos • a month ago
Interesting but the RCC has no say in my civil rights.
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
Letting blacks eat at the same lunch counters or marry outside their race were considered extra rights at one point too asshole.
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The Milkman > Ninja0980 • a month ago
Not so very long ago, too.
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Azima Khan > Ninja0980 • a month ago
He supports coloured water foun-- I mean transgender bathrooms. Nothing but a house minority. That's what all black republicans are.
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Homo Erectus • a month ago
Civil Rights: If you give them to one group, pretty soon everyone will demand them.
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vorpal > Homo Erectus • a month ago
What extra rights is he talking about, anyway? Everybody's rights and freedoms have been expanded by marriage equality: now he, too, can marry someone of the same sex.
Oh, don't want to, Carson? Then stop telling us we fucking have equal rights because we can marry someone of the opposite sex, dumbass.
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Schlukitz > Homo Erectus • a month ago
And that is exactly what they are afraid of.
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bill@19D • a month ago
So how do the exact same rights as heterosexuals become extra rights? It is an absurdity. And allowing gay couples to marry in no way upsets or harms the system of marriage. And the majority is not on his side anymore.
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Cuberly > bill@19D • a month ago
The zero sum game. Apparently they'll have less of something.
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Ninja0980 > bill@19D • a month ago
They usually call it "special rights, but other then that it's the same old BS.
Us wanting the same legal protections as them is somehow "bad."
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Alan43 > Ninja0980 • a month ago
Something I've heard for the last 20+ years..."The gays shouldn't expect special rights"
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stuckinthewoods > Alan43 • a month ago
My brother told me he didn't believe we should have "special rights". I said if he had the right to do something denied me, didn't that mean he was the one with special rights?
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Robincho > stuckinthewoods • a month ago
Your bro sounds like one of those who gets real baffled if you glance to the right while jumping left...
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stuckinthewoods > Robincho • a month ago
yeah, but he has "evolved." He's almost bipedal.
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GayOldLady • a month ago
Ben's just upset because he's falling in the polls and a bunch of his Super Pac staff in NH quit on him and went over to Ted Cruz. He's finished, we won't have to listen to his nonsense much longer.
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Larry Larson > GayOldLady • a month ago
Until another loon selects Carson as his running mate.
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Todd20036 > Larry Larson • a month ago
never happen. Even Hair Hitler would probably pick Rubio or Cruz over Stabby.
Stabby is just too.... dark.
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Homo Erectus > GayOldLady • a month ago
A girl can dream...
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Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
Yet he has no problem imposing his death cult religion on the rest of us. I know he is ramping up his speaking fees, but I truly wish he'd just shut his ignorant, bigoted mouth already.
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Jason Lin • a month ago
It's beyond ridiculous that you're making such a stink about something that has already been settled by the highest court in the land. Something that literally has no bearing on your life at all. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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Ninja0980 > Guest • a month ago
Indeed, and acceptance of interracial marriage didn't get majority support until the 1990's and it still isn't accepted in many parts of the South.
If we used the logic of Doc Stabby and other bigots, there would still be places that ban interracial marriage.
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BeaverTales > Ninja0980 • a month ago
Stabby isn't in an interracial marriage,and he's too Jesus-bothered to give a flying fuck about anyone else besides himself.
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Robincho > BeaverTales • a month ago
He's married to the lovely Candy, who keeps singers like Marian Anderson, Kathleen Battle and Jessye Norman checking their rearview mirrors...
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popebuck1 > BeaverTales • a month ago
It would affect Clarence Thomas, though. Which still isn't reason enough to try the experiment, but it's fun to think of at least.
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oikos • a month ago
Lie number 1:
"I don’t have any problem with gay people doing anything they want to do."
Lie number 2 and projection:
"However, when you now impose your value
system on everybody else and change fundamental definitions and
principles of society, I have a big problem with that."
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Ninja0980 > oikos • a month ago
They have no problems imposing their values system on us though do they?
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oikos > Ninja0980 • a month ago
None whatsoever.
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Schlukitz > oikos • a month ago
Perhaps Dr. Stabby needs a taste of this, Ninja and oikos.
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bsinps > oikos • a month ago
Aren't the Fundamentalist xtians doing the same thing, pushing their so v called religion on everyone else. And he is doing the same thing?
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Larry Larson > oikos • a month ago
"however" is the new "but"
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Cuberly • a month ago
Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, so many places for Benadryl to go.
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BearEyes • a month ago
marriage IS an EQUAL right - get over it!
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Guest • a month ago
Shut up. Just shut up.
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another_steve > Guest • a month ago
So glad he's irrelevant.
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Yixing's Fluffer > another_steve • a month ago
Irrelevant, maybe, but he dun fleeced those "Christians" good. 'Ol Ambien Eyes will be eating well for years to come.
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Stogiebear > Yixing's Fluffer • a month ago
Eatin' Po-boys and quoting Poverbs.
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Keiffer • a month ago
So, Dr. Stabby, you say you, "...don’t have any problem with gay people doing anything they want to do." Well I want to be able to get married (and thankfully if I want to I can). So if you're against marriage equality you're also a liar -- mostly to yourself.
Full disclosure: Dr. Carson operated successfully on a nerve issue in my Dad's jaw. During the process my family fawned over him what with his background and the pro bono work he did for children. Alas my Dad has passed (a couple of years back now) but all of my family speaks of this man with full disgust.
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
Just another example of I've got mine, fuck you.
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ColdDesert • a month ago
See this is the problem with Republicans, right there in his first sentence. Republicans can't differentiate between justice and conformity. To them equality before the law means everyone must act the same, not that everyone gets treated equally by the law.
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Todd Allis • a month ago
Nope. An abnormal situation would be President Stabby.
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j.martindale • a month ago
You know, I don't think Black people should have the right to marry white people. I think shop owners should have the right to refuse service to anybody they want. We should let people decide for themselves who can attend the public schools in their neighborhoods. Let the system operate without imposing unnecessary limits on people's freedoms. And why are we paying to provide health care/Pell Grants/subsidized housing and the rest of it for other people? I made it on my own. So should they! (unnecessary snark.) Every piece of racism and sexism and homophobia can be given back to the bigots if fools like this man gain high public office. He doesn't see it when it spits in his face.
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Chicago joe > j.martindale • a month ago
And I dint want a black Doctor ....if you can even imagine such a thing. /s
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StraightGrandmother • a month ago
Let the people vote on your Constitutional rights Dr Stabby?
The majority has demonstrated their preference for walking all over the equal Constitutional Rights of Minority Citizens, heck in many parts of the country if they could they would vote back in legislative racial segregation.
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johncAtl > StraightGrandmother • a month ago
98% of Trump supporters are looking forward to voting segregation back in once he's elected. Then they'll do something about the Jews and Catholics.
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Dreaming Vertebrate > johncAtl • a month ago
... and then the Mormons.
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biki > StraightGrandmother • a month ago
I would imagine that in many areas they wouldn't stop at segregation, but would vote to re-institute slavery once again.
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kcken • a month ago
In his own words "However, when you now impose your value system on everybody else..."
Even he can't stand to listen to himself...Apparently.
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biki > kcken • a month ago
That seems to be a constant refrain from the GOP,
"Dont impose on me, when I'm trying to impose upon you"
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kirtanloorii • a month ago
I'm still waiting for someone to explain those "extra" rights to me.
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clay > kirtanloorii • a month ago
I've got an extra inch over most straight men, so there's that.
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Cuberly > clay • a month ago
You didn't specify where...../s ;)
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John30013 > clay • a month ago
Photographic evidence, please?
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Bryan > kirtanloorii • a month ago
I'm sure Carson would be willing to explain it in a delightfully somnambulist manner.
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OrliJoe in Fla • a month ago
You fucking twit-fuck! Marriage is a right. Like you being allowed to sit at the lunch counter!
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2amor • a month ago
yeah Ben, let's talk about that lunch counter.....
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Ryan Hunter • a month ago
What I have a big problem with is when Black folks start throwing rocks at other minority groups. Seriously?
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clay > Ryan Hunter • a month ago
I have a big problem with queer folks throwing rocks at other minority groups.
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bkmn • a month ago
Equal rights are extra rights only in a mental hospital.
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delk • a month ago
Hasn't this elevator reached ground floor yet?
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Robert Conner > delk • a month ago
Nope, this elevator just passed the sub-basement on it's way to China and there's still nearly a year to go.
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Ray Taylor > Robert Conner • a month ago
Ewww.
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SFBruce • a month ago
"I don’t have any problem with gay people doing anything they want to do. ...And when we start trying to impose the extra rights based on a few people who perhaps are abnormal, where does that lead?”"
So we can do anything we want, so long as we don't demand equality and its inherent respect and dignity. The doctor should consider the possibility that many of us think it's Carson who's the abnormal one.
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Guess? • a month ago
As a doctor, I wonder if Dr. Stabby knows what the American Medical Association has to say about homosexuality.
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GuestStop • a month ago
"Help, I've become an irrelevant meme and I can't get my dick out of this cow!"
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Jean-Marc in Canada • a month ago
Dear Christofucks and Teabangelicals,
Your fucked up religion and superstition does not own marriage or any other human endeavor. No one faith, or non-faith, can lay absolute claim to marriage or any version thereof......so kindly do us all a favour and fuck off back to whatever rock you all crawled out of and leave the rest of us in peace.
Sincerely,
People who actually read books other than the fucking BuyBull.
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canoebum • a month ago
This delusional asshole will be sent packing off to Nobody Land in a month or two. We won't have to hear from him anymore.
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Michael Rush • a month ago
And when we start trying to impose the extra rights based on a few people who perhaps are abnormal, where does that lead ?” - Stabby Normal
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KCMC > Michael Rush • a month ago
#StabbyNormal points+++
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Michael Rush • a month ago
Should doctors provide services to the gays or just let them die ?
( health care for the gays might be considered " Extra Rights " )
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clay • a month ago
He lost his campaign lawyer and ground operations manager to Cruz over the weekend. But at least he hired one of Billy Graham's former spokes-weasels.
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Christopher P. • a month ago
If you read his comments thinking he is talking about interracial marriage, his argument would apply equally as well. I just cannot understand how these people don't realize that. Not only is this just not a good argument, it is incredibly cruel as well.
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olandp > Christopher P. • a month ago
All of the arguments against same-sex marriage are exactly the same arguments that were used against interracial marriage. When people say that they are completely different things, just reply, "Then why do you use all of the same arguments?"
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2patricius2 • a month ago
"when you now impose your value system on everybody else and change fundamental definitions and principles of society, I have a big problem with that. Everybody is equal, everybody has equal rights, but nobody gets extra rights..."
I agree 100%. That's why I resent characters such as Ben and his Catholic counterparts on EWTN attempting to impose their value system on those of us who are LGBT.
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Bill T. • a month ago
The more Mental Ben speaks, the less guano accumulates on the floors of batcaves.
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Richard B • a month ago
Dr. Ben Carson, you nutty old fool - the party is over and its time for you to retire back to your obscure life of writing silly books about how you made it in a republican world...
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agcons • a month ago
It might be abnormal for you, Dr. Dumbfuck, but I suspect most things are.
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AdamTh • a month ago
I guess it would be a waste of time to remind Dr Stabby he also has the right to marry a man. No special rights.
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Reality.Bites > AdamTh • a month ago
He has the right to jump the broom with another black man. As 3/5ths of a person he can't marry.
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EdA • a month ago
What about us normal gays? And does that apply also to abnormal straight people?? (Like Kim Davis.)
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Robert Conner • a month ago
By far the most obscene spectacle in America these days is the blathering of shitwits like Ben Carson.
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Patrick Thomas • a month ago
Not extra rights, Dr. Stabby - just equal. YOU could marry a man, too. (If you could find one who would have you, which is doubtful.)
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dcurlee • a month ago
All I can say is we all will need to vote next year....none of the republicans should win
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Octavio > Guest • a month ago
Just 20 miles over the speed limit on PCH starting above Moro Bay. Black ice would be a nice touch.
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Octavio > Guest • a month ago
Nope. Missed it. Was it especially evil (fingers crossed)?
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Octavio > Guest • a month ago
Hah! That's rich! :-)
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clay > Octavio • a month ago
oh yes, definitely south-bound.
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Octavio > clay • a month ago
In that case, on PCH starting just below Carmel by the Sea.
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KCMC • a month ago
"Abnormal?" betrays any solid medical education which lost abnormal dx (diagnosis) unless the good dr. missed his psych rotation.
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Max_1 • a month ago
Dear Ben,
The 13th Amendment.
Good or Bad?
States Rights, ya know...
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Cosmo Tupper • a month ago
F.O.A.D!
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Tallulah • a month ago
He needs an education. I would like to give him one.
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olandp > Tallulah • a month ago
You would be wasting your breath darling. Have another cocktail instead.
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goofy_joe • a month ago
I feel like this question is so worn out from overuse, but what exactly does my right to get married to a man take away from your right to get married to a woman?
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zhera • a month ago
Oh, Stabby. Go shove a cactus up your ass. And then another one down your throat.
Imagine all the former patients of Dr. Stabby listening to this cray-cray and thinking 'That man poked around in my brain'. The horror!
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Gordon. • a month ago
Dear Dumb-Ass, How do you feel about SLAVERY ? That used to be considered, "normal." Do you think that black folks deserve equal rights ?
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Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
Comment from Carson's former colleague, Dr. A. B. Normal.
Ben and I had many disagreements at work and we tried to work it out with him. But after so many of his former patients woke up from surgery with knives, sponges and even hammers sutured inside, we had to let him go.
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Jumper • a month ago
Gods Below, I wish this asshat would STFU. He's...embarrassing.
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Jamie_Johnson • a month ago
I'll say it again: listen to the child-like thoughts that meander out of Uncle Ben's mouth...
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aar9n • a month ago
I can't wait till next December when your reduced to pandering for some cable show that you can go on bizarro word marathons with Sarah Palin on.
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NotAnApologist • a month ago
Pander Pander
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clay > NotAnApologist • a month ago
Pander Panda!
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That_Looks_Delicious > clay • a month ago
Meet the new Oregon militia panda
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PLAINTOM • a month ago
2/3 of a person says what ?
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Keiffer > PLAINTOM • a month ago
Over-valued. 2/3=67%. The original Constitution was 3/5=60%.
I say we split the difference (7%) and value him at about 3.5% of a "normal" person.
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Reality.Bites > Keiffer • a month ago
I say we value him at ⅔ of 3/5 of a person.
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JaniceInToronto • a month ago
Idiot. Just idiot.
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Judas Peckerwood • a month ago
Reasonable and coherent, as always.
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Oh'behr > Judas Peckerwood • a month ago
Listen to him or get stung by a jellyfish. Choices, choices. Hmm. Lol.
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Gianni • a month ago
Abnormal gays as opposed to normal gays? The abnormal gays are those who want to marry? The man is a pure, unadulterated, asshole.
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Curieux Bleu • a month ago
Oh M'Gawd, Thou mute impotent invisible non-existent Sky Fairy!
Trolling inside the feverish brain warp of VERY self impressed narcissists like Ben Carson. Shame on you Gawd!
How abused, Ben, you were, as a child pumped full of nonsense by your doting parents with this religious bullshit that defies all logic... and now you want to persecute your fellow mankind, in thrall to your self perceived magnificence. !!!
Gay people are real, Ben, unlike your Seventh Day silent Gawd, and gay people need equal rights not "extra rights" as in your false equivalency rhetorical evil ramblings.
And Ben there are thousands of neurosurgeons many who have gay children, and many who don't have a God Complex. You are psychologically fucked up, Ben ... Just realise that you a cruel asshole and then just let it go, dude.
Try golf and maybe just maybe trying to help the black community, which you have never really done, living in your mansion, that false monument you built to your own overinflated ego.
Overwhelmingly, Americans do not want or need you as POTUS. You are a delusional freak who would bring more DYSFUNCTION to already DYSTOPIAN social system
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Raising_Rlyeh • a month ago
Fuck him.
Not every gay or lesbian couple can afford to go to a lawyer for those legal documents and more importantly they shouldn't have. No gay couple should be forced to go back to the days where you had to carry around all those legal documents because if you got injured you needed to prove that you had legal power to make decisions or see someone. Once again, fuck him.
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DiatribesAndOvations.com • a month ago
WTF is an "extra right"? WTF is wrong with people who think he'd make a good leader?
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Gene Perry • a month ago
"I don’t have any problem with gay people doing anything they want to do." .... Obviously, Dr. C., you do have a problem.
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M Jackson • a month ago
Huh?
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empidonax_road • a month ago
Those last three sentences are the closest you'll get to chemically pure gibberish this side of Sarah Palin.
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LADY MABELINE • a month ago
Someone should explain to this freak the "Bradly Effect" . There is no way the Republican Party is going to nominate a black man in the 21st century". Mon chagrin.
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skeptical_inquirer > LADY MABELINE • a month ago
I will never understand how blind he is to the massive torrent of disrespect and racism they have towards Obama in a way they wouldn't if Obama looked like Joe Biden.
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That_Looks_Delicious • a month ago
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Six Pins Delores • a month ago
Thus, the American landscape declares itself in need of chains and more ball gags
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Nic Peterson > Six Pins Delores • a month ago
Duct tape. A ball gag says that you care.
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Six Pins Delores > Nic Peterson • a month ago
Nothing say that more better than scissors
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Gregory Peterson • a month ago
In other words, he wants a certain minority to be invisible and silent...and thereby complicit in their own oppression.
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Mormon Church President: It’s The Will Of The Lord To Exclude Gay Couples And Their Children
January 11, 2016 LGBT News, Religion
White Jesus has apparently delivered a personal message to the president of the Mormon Church. The Salt Lake Tribune reports:
After same-sex marriage became legal in several countries, including the United States, the LDS Church’s top 15 leaders wrestled with what to do, weighed all the ramifications, fasted, prayed, met in the temple and sought God’s guidance on the issue.
Balancing their understanding of Mormon doctrine about the “plan of salvation,” which is built on male-female marriage, with compassion for children of same-sex couples, Russell M. Nelson, head of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, said Sunday night, “we considered countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios that could arise.”
Then President Thomas S. Monson, considered a “prophet, seer and revelator” in the 15 million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, declared “the mind of the Lord and the will of the Lord.”
That led to the Utah-based faith’s new policy regarding same-sex Mormon couples — that they would be labeled “apostates” and that their children would not be allowed baptism and other LDS religious rites until they turn 18.
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JT • a month ago
Blow it out your ass, you bigoted motherfucker.
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Paula > JT • a month ago
I know! It must be nice to have somebody else to blame your hatred, prejudice and narrow mindedness on. Especially, when it is an imaginary, invisible, viscous, homicidal, petty, bigoted, old man in the sky.
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Mark Cross > Paula • a month ago
Don't forget: God is White, too. List that first ;)
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Nic Peterson > Mark Cross • a month ago
Theirs is.
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Joseph Miceli > Paula • a month ago
The evil sky fairy is alive and well.
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Nic Peterson > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
The hierarchy of the LDS church is afraid that the integration of same sex families into their wards will lead to increased acceptance and tolerance. The horror! Eventually they would have to deal with a potential missionary candidate that was raised by a same sex couple and that could prove them and their revealed word of God to be false.
I support their efforts to continue down the path of isolation and exclusion.
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john Johnson > Nic Peterson • a month ago
The description of the LDS heaven is rather more detailed than that of most Christians.
As I understand it, each man will rule his own planet.
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Nic Peterson > john Johnson • a month ago
True, there are varying degrees of heaven described in the doctrine. It's not an accident that the LDS faith has a segregated afterlife, if ya know what I mean.
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Ginger Snap > JT • a month ago
Your comment was much more to the point than mine was, Cheers!
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perversatile > Ginger Snap • a month ago
Try this one -
"Begone! Your magical underwear has no power here.''
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Gene > perversatile • a month ago
last week, while the huby and I were away, a nice lesbian couple, and their 3 kids, were formally welcomed into my congregation. They are now planning the things they could only dream of before; the big church wedding, the baptism of their kids, and being in a congregation that welcomes and celebrates them and their family as they gay people they are, and the wonderful children (orientations as yet unknown, they are small) and will be exposed to people of diverse backgrounds, and even the transgendered pastor who visits from time to time.
The Mormons loss, the Presbyterians (and the former Mormon couples) gain.
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JT > Gene • a month ago
Apparently, even some babdists have taken their heads out of their asses.
First Baptist Church of Memphis votes to OK gay marriage, ordination
http://www.commercialappeal.co...
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GC > JT • a month ago
And we've long seen how Episcopalians have, as Robin Williams said, "all of the pageantry, none of the guilt."
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perversatile > Gene • a month ago
I keep having the Heart Tugs when something delightfully regular, everyday, just being people kinda stuff happens for us
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john Johnson > Gene • a month ago
The Catholic Church will eventually remember their paired saints. Of Sergius and Bacchus one early church theologian said:
Let us not strive to separate in our
thoughts those who were united in life.
And another described Bacchus as the:
Sweet companion and lover of Sergius.
And in the case(s) of the others in each instance one of the pair came not for love of the new faith but because they would let nothing come between then and the other!
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John > perversatile • a month ago
So, if they're wearing their magical underwear and they rub their ass cheeks together 3 times and say "there's no place like home" do they fly back to Utah?
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Eric in Oakland > John • a month ago
No, they fly to planet Kolob.
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BlueberriesForMe > Eric in Oakland • a month ago
I thought it was the planet Shish Kabob.
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Robincho > BlueberriesForMe • a month ago
Keep stickin' it to 'em, bloobz...
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perversatile > John • a month ago
Great feats of 'Mormon Underwear Magic' can only be achieved thru the exhaustive, rigorous applications of alcohol caffeine and erotica.
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2karmanot > perversatile • a month ago
OhMyGawd----all those thongs gone wrong.
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Mister Don > perversatile • a month ago
unless smelled closely
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perversatile > Mister Don • a month ago
...reeked to high heaven
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Ginger Snap > perversatile • a month ago
Make sure you have your Ruby Slippers on.
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Harley > JT • a month ago
“we considered countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios that could arise.” Let me guess. I bet man-on-dog was one of the scenarios they thought of.
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Joseph Miceli > Harley • a month ago
Seems to be all they CAN think of....suspiciously so.
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camel54 > JT • a month ago
Succint and precise. No-one could say it better.
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JaniceInToronto • a month ago
This is most excellent news! Fewer children are going to be exposed to the insanity that is Mormonism. Wonderful.
I hope they keep issuing hideous proclamations like this and continue to drive people away from their odious religion. Great publicity...
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MarkOH > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
They may change their minds. I mean, in 1978, God told them to accept black people.
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Gustav2 > MarkOH • a month ago
And Mittens had to pull over to the side of the road to cry.
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Robincho > Gustav2 • a month ago
He was just checking on the dog...
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GayOldLady > Robincho • a month ago
The Mormon way
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Schlukitz > GayOldLady • a month ago
Did someone actually do that to a dog?
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GayOldLady > Schlukitz • a month ago
I think that is photo shopped. But Mitt did actually put his dog in a kennel strapped to the top of a station wagon and take a vacation with the dog on the car roof.
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Craig Howell > GayOldLady • a month ago
And NY Times columnist Gail Collins had a field day reminding people of that incident time after time.
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Joseph Miceli > Craig Howell • a month ago
As well she should. It revealed the man's character as surely as if he was cruel to his waiter because he could be.
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Schlukitz > GayOldLady • a month ago
Ah, yes. I do recall that incident.
What a horrible man.
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John T > Schlukitz • a month ago
If it weren't bad enough that he thought it was a good idea to transport the dog in a crate on top of the roof of his car on a long road trip, what's even worse is that Romney would keep telling the story years later and have a good chuckle about it and expect the rest of us to think it was funny too. The funniest part, of course, being that the dog was so traumatized that it shat all over the roof of the car and they had to stop at a self-serve car wash to hose it down. Har-har! Good one, Mitt! We sure dodged a bullet by not voting for that psychopath robot.
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Harley > John T • a month ago
But the people who voted for him should be shot.
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perversatile > Schlukitz • a month ago
!!!!
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GC > Schlukitz • a month ago
Yes, unfortunately.
http://www.snopes.com/politics...
http://www.boston.com/news/nat...
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Schlukitz > GC • a month ago
Yes. That fiasco got a lot of publicity. Not that I am defending Mitt's actions, but that dog at least had the protection of a crate and a windshield. The dog in the picture is exposed to the elements and tied down by the neck with what appears to be rubber which would be animal cruelty in the extreme.
A very interesting look in the second link at a mighty peculiar man, indeed.
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Sk3ptic > MarkOH • a month ago
The problem with us being gay is that we don't fit the procreation model that so entrenches the religion. They seem to forget that there are plenty of sterile straight marriages in the church.
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IamM > Sk3ptic • a month ago
And that there's more to being a parent than just begatting the little brats.
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MarkOH > Sk3ptic • a month ago
I used to be highly amused, and irritated, with the whole procreation argument against same sex marriage. Marriage was ONLY for procreation, except when a straight couple was sterile.
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Gustav2 > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
Silly, the apostate adults and their children, especially their children, will still be able to attend church at their local stakes and tithe. Sure, the adults will be denied access to the Temples and positions in the church, but the children can still be indoctrinated.
They must be carefully taught...Aunt Rebekkka will pick them up tomorrow.
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JaniceInToronto > Gustav2 • a month ago
It'll make it tougher for them to indoctrinate the kids. It's a win!
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Paula > Gustav2 • a month ago
Of course, we can't forget the tithe!
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Joann Prinzivalli > Gustav2 • a month ago
I'd hope that with enough apostates, they might just want to set up their own splinter sect with a variant theology - imagine, perhaps, women holding a Melchizedek priesthood (I think that would be one of the necessities for some same-sex couples to practice at home)
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Bob Kellerman > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
NO -- YOU HAVE IT WRONG, at least in the short term. Mormon kids are now living in 2nd class hell. When more parents leave, eventually, you will be right
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JaniceInToronto > Bob Kellerman • a month ago
It's all good. They are driving away customers. Win. The kids would be even more fucked up if they had a first class indoctrination. They will survive being shunned by the morons.
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LADY MABELINE • a month ago
Dear Mormon people: I neither need your approval nor acceptance. Your opinion of me is irrelevant.
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Todd20036 > LADY MABELINE • a month ago
PS, deny me any secular rights, and there will be difficulties.
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Chucktech > Todd20036 • a month ago
BIG fucking time...
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douglas > LADY MABELINE • a month ago
As is their "religion ".
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David Walker > douglas • a month ago
If only we could find those silver tablets...
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JaniceInToronto > David Walker • a month ago
Gold. They were gold tablets.
Joseph Smith wouldn't have lied about them, you know...
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David Walker > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
Now you know how much I listened to the boys in white shirts and dark ties who used to stop by the house. I'll go along with gold plated.
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Sylvatica > David Walker • a month ago
I was always distracted to what they were saying, I've no idea why.
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RoFaWh > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
This raises an interesting question to inflict on your momo acquaintances: where'd that gold come from?
Almost all the gold deposits in the US are in the west. And very few, if any, of them, had been mined before the nineteenth century.
Now what was that you were saying about "golden" plates?
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Sk3ptic > RoFaWh • a month ago
The Mormons follow the great religious tradition of having no fucks to give regarding facts.
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JaniceInToronto > RoFaWh • a month ago
You would have to ask Joseph Smith about that, he's the one who 'discovered' them along with the magic stones to read them with.
Nope, I'm not making this up.
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Sk3ptic > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
You're not, but he was. Quite the Great American Grifter, that JS.
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georgeatkinson > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
The golden tablets were brought by the angel Moron I; the silver must have come from Moron II.
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Prion • a month ago
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j.martindale > Prion • a month ago
Not sure religion hijacked it so much as tortured it into something unrecognizable.
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Octavio > j.martindale • a month ago
Nope. Religion highjacked it.
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j.martindale • a month ago
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Robincho > j.martindale • a month ago
Between New York and Utah, there was a little stop called Nauvoo which did not end terribly well for them...
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Gindy51 > Robincho • a month ago
Too damned bad it didn't end the whole damned cult.
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IamM > j.martindale • a month ago
sell magic underwear to gullible rubes is more like it.
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Schlukitz • a month ago
And the blatant, bigotry, hatred, homophobia and discrimination of religious organizations against LGBT people continues unabated.
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Chucktech > Schlukitz • a month ago
They wouldn't be who they are if it didn't.
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Schlukitz > Chucktech • a month ago
You are so right!
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Ninja0980 > Schlukitz • a month ago
Yup, why I have no regrets telling the Catholic Church to go to hell back in high school, best thing I ever did.
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Schlukitz > Ninja0980 • a month ago
Bravo for you. :-)
Like you, I too turned my back on organized religion at the age of five after I was tossed out of Sunday School for being "rebellious". LOL
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Bj Lincoln > Ninja0980 • a month ago
After many long talks with Father D., catechism and conformation, I left at 16. I was positive christianity was not for me.
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pickypecker • a month ago
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Ginger Snap > pickypecker • a month ago
I love this.
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WebSlinger • a month ago
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John T > WebSlinger • a month ago
I can't agree with this. Have you read the Old Testament? God is an evil, vindictive, petty, sadistic, jealous motherfucker. The fact that anyone would think He deserves to be worshiped is fucking terrifying. If God existed, we would be morally required to destroy the monster.
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ChrisMorley > John T • a month ago
They may have told you the old testament is the word of god. It's not.
It was however all written by human evil, vindictive, petty, sadistic, jealous motherfuckers.
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Todd20036 • a month ago
Golly, their made up God claims to hate the same people they do.
The coincidences just keep rolling!
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Raising_Rlyeh > Todd20036 • a month ago
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony
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David Walker > Todd20036 • a month ago
The mind wobbles.
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nycmcmike • a month ago
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." - Anne Lamott
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David Walker > nycmcmike • a month ago
I (heart) Anne.
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Sporkfighter • a month ago
"After same-sex marriage became legal in several countries, including the United States, the LDS Church’s top 15 leaders wrestled with what to do, weighed all the ramifications, fasted, prayed, met in the temple and sought God’s guidance on the issue." Then God told them what to do. Coincidentally, it was exactly what they already wanted to to.
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Chucktech > Sporkfighter • a month ago
Aren't those just the best kinds of gods? Thanks, god, I just knew You'd see it my way...
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joe ho • a month ago
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John Bogeman • a month ago
wow, another cult run by a homophobic piece of shit. fuck all of them.
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Houndentenor • a month ago
Why the fuck would any gay couple want to raise their children in the LDS church?
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Chucktech > Houndentenor • a month ago
To go to heaven or Kolob or where the fuck ever. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you're not a delusional loony.
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Houndentenor > Chucktech • a month ago
True. I also sometime forget how little self-respect some people have. See also: gay Republicans, women Catholics, etc.
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David Walker > Chucktech • a month ago
Alas.
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Dreaming Vertebrate > Houndentenor • a month ago
Stockholm syndrome.
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RJ Bone > Houndentenor • a month ago
Institutionalization. I was born, raised, baptized and spent most of my 20's in a conservative, literalist, christian cult. It has taken me almost a decade to finally let go of the beliefs and I still struggle with the guilt when I don't stop "doing my own carnal things" when their sabbath rolls around...
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Houndentenor > RJ Bone • a month ago
There are support groups for ex-fundamentalists. There are probably some for ex-Mormons as well. I was raised Southern Baptist so I understand. It takes awhile.
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Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
I am not sure how it is that I escaped the delusional clutches of organized religion (the attempts at indoctrination, the treats of hellfire, were pervasive and constant), but there is not a day I don't thank my stars for this great gift. A mind and a life is a terrible thing to diminish by willingly shackling yourself to a pack of lies. Organized religion has always been about CONTROL. Celebrate life, nature and friends. Embrace the sublime mystery and marvels of our natural world and the universe. Delusion-peddlers have nothing real to offer.
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Raising_Rlyeh • a month ago
"And I Believe; that in 2048 God changed his mind about gay people."
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Circ09 > Raising_Rlyeh • a month ago
I don't think it will even take that long.
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Ginger Snap • a month ago
It's odd that your "lord" never shows up to tell us of his will. Could it be because he doesn't exist and its really the will of bigoted men?
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David Walker > Ginger Snap • a month ago
Mmmmm. COULD be.
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2guysnamedjoe > Ginger Snap • a month ago
Miss Lord sure works in mysterious ways, doesn't she?
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amati1684 • a month ago
As Voltaire put it: if God created us in his image, we have more than reciprocated.
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oikos • a month ago
Anyone who wants to belong to a group that hates and despises them shouldn't be upset when that group reaffirms its hate.
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Ninja0980 > oikos • a month ago
Indeed, like LGBT Catholics with the Pope confirming he hates us and LGBT Republicans, no one should be surprised by this.
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vorpal • a month ago
"we considered countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios that could arise."
They should have fasted longer instead of being so ridiculously hyperbolic about the number of things they considered.
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zhera > vorpal • a month ago
Speaking of long fasts, I wonder how that Utah guy is doing. Tristan, was it?
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vorpal > zhera • a month ago
Tristan Meecham! Yes!
Why do these whackadoodles think that their not eating somehow makes their god happy?
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zhera > vorpal • a month ago
Because their god is a sadistic asshole who demands 'sacrifices'. And they've gotten the 'I shall now manipulate your feelings' in with the mother's milk.
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Mike in NC > zhera • a month ago
Demands a sacrifice? Their god is the Knights who say Ni? Who knew?
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Mark Cross > vorpal • a month ago
I won't pretend to speak for God (like the Mormons do), but when I think of Tristan not eating, it makes me happy. :)
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perversatile > vorpal • a month ago
Because if gawd didn't like it, there wouldn't be so many starving people in the world. I was having drinks with Jesus the other day, and he told me, that they needed to get really Hardcore about fasting for his dad to pay even the slightest bit of attention to them.
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Chucktech > zhera • a month ago
Oh, he threw in the fasting towel long ago. It was that siren's song of the pizza that did it.
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bill@19D • a month ago
“with compassion for children of same-sex couples” funny how these people always toss in some lingo about compassion but then adopt 100% exclusionary policies anyway.
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Bj Lincoln • a month ago
"Your approval neither desired or required." Ms. Noxzema Jackson
To Wong Foo
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Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
Mormon hierarchy - punish the kids, but they're perfectly fine with seditious, virulent Mormon extremists and welfare moochers like Ammon, Ryan and Clive Bundy.
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KnownDonorDad • a month ago
On the other hand, they financed Prop 8, which pretty much led directly to the Obergefell decision. Very unintentional civil rights catalysts.
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Spongebob CrankyPants • a month ago
"Mormon Church President: It’s The Will Of The Lord To Exclude Gay Couples And Their Children" The will of which specific "god"????
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David Walker > Spongebob CrankyPants • a month ago
The one that required polygamy until they wanted federal recognition. S/he got all flexible about that, s/he got all flexible over "the blacks" at the threat of federal funds being withheld. This, too, shall probably pass once some active Mormons leave, once some vocal Mormons and those whose tithes (the amount insisted on by the church) are withheld leave, the god/goddess may have second thoughts about this, too. "It's not that god was wrong," I was once told, "it was that the infallible leaders misheard." Got it.
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Palmer > David Walker • a month ago
The Mormon God is most definitely a "he". Mrs. God spends all her time popping out spirit babies, so she keeps out of the limelight.
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David Walker > Palmer • a month ago
Well, yeah. It's hard work providing all those virgins. Oh, wait...
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
Susan B. Anthony
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Mark Cross > Ninja0980 • a month ago
Like this...?
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Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
Oh, just beam that delusional nutjob to Kolob already.
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McSwagg > Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
Ever notice that Kolob spelled backwards (creatively) is "Bollock"?
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Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
It's amusing that the word compassion is used given they have no idea of what compassion actually means. I also think they should exclude the parents and sibs of anyone who is LGBT. That would serve to dismantle this cult even quicker and that can only be a good thing.
As far as this moron being a "prophet, seer and revelator,” please, I would consider my dogs better prophets and seers.
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Chrissy > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
I think it's a word we can constantly throw back at the Mormons. For example, the angry mob that killed Joseph Smith was in realty showing Mormon compassion for him by sending him to the celestial kindom.
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David Walker > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
Or peers, anyway. The threat of excluding straight parents and sibs of LGBTQ kids wouldn't work, I suspect, because the parents, not wanting to be dissed by neighbors and hated by god, would throw the gay child out of the house.
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Wynter Marie Starr > David Walker • a month ago
I bet any Mormon parent that would kick their kid out wouldn't need the threat of being excluded, David. They'd likely do it anyway. There is a groundswell of Mormon parents who refuse to hide the fact that they have gay kids. I don't know how they reconcile their love for their children with their faith. I suspect the majority of them pull back from the church and will eventually leave.
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Chucktech > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
Cafeteria Mormons.
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Houndentenor > David Walker • a month ago
They already throw gay kids out of the house.
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Ginger Snap > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
I think eh ment Profiteer and Seether.
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Wynter Marie Starr > Ginger Snap • a month ago
LOL, yeah, but they can't admit that.
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SoCalVet • a month ago
They would like to kill us in ovens.
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Stev84 • a month ago
A lot of people overlooked the truly evil part of Mormon theology in this case.
With murders or rapists they only say they may be excommunicated. But gay couples must must be kicked out. So they see gay people as worse than murderers and rapists.
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Octavio > Stev84 • a month ago
Thus it has always been.
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Alan43 • a month ago
He better be careful. God could change his mind about gay people the way he changed his mind about black people
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David Walker > Alan43 • a month ago
One of the best "oops"es ever.
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John T > Alan43 • a month ago
Only when the timing is convenient. God works in mysterious ways, but not too mysterious.
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swimboy • a month ago
Can we start a whisper campaign that *everyone* is gay and get them all kicked out of the church?
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Treant > swimboy • a month ago
"Joseph Smith? Fucked him, total bossy bottom."
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perversatile > swimboy • a month ago
"OMG Robert Murdock did you hear what
Thomas S. Monson said about you?!"
-That could work
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James L. Greenlee • a month ago
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. . .
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Dreaming Vertebrate > James L. Greenlee • a month ago
OK, enough about the Bushes.
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Schlukitz > Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
LOL
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Robert > James L. Greenlee • a month ago
Really dumb!!!
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BeaverTales • a month ago
Pathetic. I'm glad white Jesus finally put a stop to faggotry in Utarr....and those ladies who want to be elders instead of walking uterine clown cars. Instead Jebus made them the first red state domino to fall. Fuckers deserved it.
The collection baskets were running a bit low because of the folks leaving the church for the sake of their sanity. Maybe Sith Lord Brian Brown and friends can send some donations their way...they are so wealthy these days. Then there will be balance in the force again, lol.
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Robert • a month ago
When I left the Mormon church, I thought about joining the group 'Affirmation." This is a group of gay and lesbian Mormons, both members and former members, that wished to work within the church to effect change.
But my thought on the matter was 'if I'm done with it, I need to be done with it.' So I did not join, and I'm glad I didn't. It would have been one remaining tie to them.
The Lord didn't tell their 'prophet' any such thing. The prophet, based on his upbringing had his own ideas about how to treat gays and lesbians, and those inner ideas that he's had for decades he misidentified as inspiration, and then declared those thoughts 'the will of the Lord.' Such utter hogwash.
Because I made a clean break from it, it doesn't affect me. But to members of Affirmation, and those members who actually hoped the church was experiencing some spiritual maturity on gay/lesbian issues, it will be an emotional punch to the gut.
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Chucktech > Robert • a month ago
"But to members of Affirmation, and those members who actually hoped the church was experiencing some spiritual maturity on gay/lesbian issues, it will be an emotional punch to the gut."
I'll bet it will truly suck for them... Pity...
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Robert > Chucktech • a month ago
Yeah.. years of private meetings with church leaders will feel like nothing came of it. Wasted time. Yet, many of them will march on in an effort to build bridges. Futile.
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
Now that marriage equality is law of the land, the pretense (not that many of them bothered to hide it before), that the bigots don't hate us is shown for the farce we always knew it was.
Go jump off a cliff you bigoted asshole.
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DaveMiller135 • a month ago
If you don't get them kids when they're young, you ain't gonna get 'em.
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Chucktech > DaveMiller135 • a month ago
It's the "4-14 Window" and they make no apologies for it. Younger than 4? They don't understand. Older than 14? They'll laugh you right the fuck off your pulpit.
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M Jackson • a month ago
Well, god didn't make me a Mormon, so I couldn't give a flying flip what their "12 Apostles" or any other gathering of their own says.
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Gest2016 • a month ago
Time for you one-way trip to planet Kolob you hateful fuck. This planet doesn't need you.
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geoffalnutt • a month ago
One nasty, sick fuck.
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delk • a month ago
There is just no end to these mentally ill people.
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Ragnar Lothbrok • a month ago
No, it's the WILL of the LORD for you to STFU !
How do I know ? Because I exist and he/ it doesn't !
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David Walker > Ragnar Lothbrok • a month ago
How do I know? Because he told me in a dream, so STFU!
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Blake Jordan • a month ago
I hope there are not still LGBTs they tithe to these fuckers!!!!!!!!!!
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Todd20036 > Blake Jordan • a month ago
If there are still LCR's then there are still gay Mormons who tithe.
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Schlukitz > Blake Jordan • a month ago
How about all of the LGBT people who tithe to the RC Church?
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Todd20036 > Schlukitz • a month ago
Yup. Still plenty of them
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Caliban M • a month ago
How is compassion served by persecuting the children of married same sex partners. Mormonism is archaic and cruel.
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David L. Caster > Caliban M • a month ago
And a fraud.
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edrex > Caliban M • a month ago
I'm pretty sure compassion is not a Mormon value.
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Chris Larosa > Caliban M • a month ago
It's also about as misogynist as it gets. In order for a woman to even get into 'heaven', she MUST be married to a Mormon man of good standing. But when she dies, HE decides if she is worthy of eternal life with him, so her salvation is ultimately determined by her (now dead) husband, who is essentially the god of his own planet. And if she is 'lucky' enough to be resurrected by him, then she is destined to be pregnant to populate their earth with 'spirit babies'. Some Mormons will discount this teaching, but the reality is far too many Mormons confirm this is exactly what they teach. This is precisely why polygamy is a necessity - there's not enough Mormon men to go around. Conveniently engineered by JS and BY.
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Robert > Chris Larosa • a month ago
Yes... they are both given new names in the temple that the man must never reveal to anyone, including his wife. The wife also must reveal her name to nobody, with one exception: her husband.
Then on the morning of the resurrection, God will call the husband forth from the grave by his new name. The husband then calls the wife forth from the grave by her new name. Not God, but him. And if he chooses not to, then that would be his right.
LOL... The church really does not an ERA..
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Eddi Haskell • a month ago
This is good news. I was fantasizing about doing a hot mormon boy in holy underwear last night, and maybe I can get to meet a recently excommunicated hottie when I go to Salt Lake City and have him dress up for me! BTW this is the publicity photo for the BYU Water Polo team.
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Robert > Eddi Haskell • a month ago
I'll go for the one on the right....
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IamM > Robert • a month ago
Don't be stingy. They all deserve some attention. ;-D
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Robert > IamM • a month ago
LOL... Yes they do. But I didn't want any charges of polygamy coming my way..
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Schlukitz > Robert • a month ago
He's a real cutie, isn't he? ;-)
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Robert > Schlukitz • a month ago
Yes he is... : )
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Eddi Haskell > Robert • a month ago
Oh yes! He has a really nasty "I will slap you around if you look at me the wrong way look" -- very rough trade.
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PeterC > Robert • a month ago
Definitely, he must be the "princess'.
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Craig Howell > Eddi Haskell • a month ago
Mormon bois are too creepily good-looking, like so many sons of Stepford Wives.
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Octavio > Craig Howell • a month ago
Got that right. (shudder)
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Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
LDS: A small cult within a bigger cult.
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GayOldLady > Dreaming Vertebrate • a month ago
Just another ugly offspring!!!
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Dreaming Vertebrate > GayOldLady • a month ago
The nut does not fall far from the nut tree.
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BobSF_94117 • a month ago
Interesting that the old guard felt the need to up the ante with a "revelation". I guess they're afraid of the next generation.
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OdieDenCO • a month ago
Any religion requiring a sacrifice be it animal or human to obtain God, is not worthy of Human dignity!
These stone age beliefs need to be put in the dust bin of history.
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Michael Rush • a month ago
If i had a club Thomas S. Monson would never be allowed to be a member either , so take THAT !!!
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Ritorna Vincitor • a month ago
On the one hand you have tax-paying, law-abiding US citizens who want to enjoy the same rights as everyone else. And on the other you have a cult that wants to impose upon non-believers its beliefs that are based on the ravings of a former treasure hunter who claims to have translated angelic golden tablets from an unknown language called Reformed Egyptian into the Book of Mormon by placing magic stones into his hat, covering his face with the hat, and waiting for the translations to appear magically before his eyes inside the hat. What amazes me is that there could be any question what should prevail here. Basic constitutional rights or some nonsensical religion literally pulled out of someone's hat.
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2patricius2 > Ritorna Vincitor • a month ago
Depends on what the hat looks like...:-)
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Ritorna Vincitor > 2patricius2 • a month ago
I think they've still got it. I know they have the magic stones in their Secret Mormon Vault under Granite Mountain, Utah. They named them Urim and Thummim, or Uma and Thurman, or something like that.
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Octavio > Ritorna Vincitor • a month ago
My ne'er do well cousin who teaches geology at the U of U had the distinction of advising the brethren and sistren about a couple of Joe Smith's original "seer stones" that have been kept in a box for about a hundred years. When I asked him what he thought about them his answer was succinct. "Nothing but pieces of tiger's eye, classic examples of pseudomorphous replacement by silica of fibrous crocidolite."
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Ritorna Vincitor > Octavio • a month ago
LOVE it!
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witch • a month ago
Notice how chatty this god has been lately ......but getting people to listen has been sorely lacking, from a talking burning shrub to a grilled.cheese sandwich on eBay. O.o
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2patricius2 > witch • a month ago
And this god depends so much on these obnoxious humans to get his message out.
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GuestStop • a month ago
"If we're not scapegoating someone, they'll turn on us! We only demand complete obedience, fear driven ignorance, a great portion of their earnings, adherence to our insane practices, they push this bullshit onto other people, and violent intolerance to those who say otherwise or who dare to even question us. For some reason, some ignorant people think this makes us bad. IF we don't tell them who is bad, they might think we are."
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Silver Badger • a month ago
When a church punishes the children for the "sins" of the parents, you know exactly what side of the force they harken to. On a positive note, the parents don't have the church undermining them now. Is that kid on the stairs crying or throwing up in his hat?
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Circ09 > Silver Badger • a month ago
The children part of this doesn't bother me. I think it is a good thing. What weird, fucked up parents would want their children to attend sessions and be indoctrinated by people that believe in their eternal damnation? That kind of cognitive dissidence has always been beyond me. This way the whole nuclear family is free. Engaging with relatives will continue to be a bitch but most of us queers have learned to deal with that over the centuries anyway.
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Silver Badger > Circ09 • a month ago
As a child I was subject to the wrath and rocks in punishment from the good christian children in Nebraska for my Mother's misdeeds. The children are not responsible for the acts of the parents.
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Circ09 > Silver Badger • a month ago
Of course they are not. I see this decision from the Morons as further removing children from their easy reach is all. It still won't stop people shunning others in the public square. Same as it ever was. Or stop children from joining in with those Morons when they reach 18. What you are seeing as added "cruelty" to me actually adds choice to the equation instead of indoctrination. And, hopefully, less Morons in the future.
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Schlukitz • a month ago
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BearEyes • a month ago
who would jesus discriminate against?
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sherman • a month ago
".... and in 1978 God changed his name about black people.
A Mormon just believes"
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GayOldLady • a month ago
Y'all lost me with the underwear requirements.
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douglas > GayOldLady • a month ago
What an unsexy thing to put on those cornfed little Mormon boys I keep inviting in for tea and a wee chat.
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Eddi Haskell > douglas • a month ago
I find the outfits erotic at times, especially at gay mormon boyz porn sites -- they are so intense! Things look bigger on a white background.
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Todd20036 > GayOldLady • a month ago
I tend to go commando. You couldn't pay me to wear such silly things.
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People4Humanity > Todd20036 • a month ago
JMG Rule #1: Pix, or it never happened.
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Ginger Snap > Todd20036 • a month ago
I like my white briefs.
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vorpal > Todd20036 • a month ago
Commando FTW.
The only time I ever wear underwear is if I'm home and don't feel like wearing pants.
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zhera > vorpal • a month ago
...because kitties and claws?
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vorpal > zhera • a month ago
Haha... with currently five of the furry fuckers (four permanent residents and one temporary boarder), I do not remember the last time I did not have a scratch mark somewhere on me or ate something without at least one cat hair in it.
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zhera > vorpal • a month ago
FIVE? You are a brave one.
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vorpal > zhera • a month ago
Dinnertime is promptly at 11:00 PM.
If the clock hits 11:01 without me having fed them, I am scared I will be devoured.
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Schlukitz > vorpal • a month ago
Ever since I discovered flannel lounging pants, I don't feel like wearing anything else around the house these days.
I only put street clothes on to go shopping and run errands. LOL
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vorpal > Schlukitz • a month ago
Errands are why I keep a husband at the ready :-).
Less work and challenge than having to dress myself.
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Schlukitz > vorpal • a month ago
You lucky person, you. Hee hee
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Michael • a month ago
All they did is reconfirm their own homophobic beliefs. If they wanted to see what Jesus thinks, all they had to do was read Matthew 7:12.
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David Walker > Michael • a month ago
That's a secondary source. You want the real stuff, you gotta believe in The Book of Mormon. Which I do. I believe The Book of Mormon is one of the funniest musicals I've ever seen.
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billbear1961 • a month ago
No, it is YOUR will, you evil old bastard, and the will of others like you, who take it upon themselves to PLAY GOD, something your God has expressly told you, MANY TIMES, that you have NO RIGHT to do!
If there IS a God, that God is JUSTICE; and, one day, you will be judged precisely as you DARE judge others!
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anne marie in philly > billbear1961 • a month ago
FUCK YEAH!
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LightningRose • a month ago
Belong to a bullshit religion, follow it's bullshit tenets.
Spoiler Alert: All religions are bullshit.
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Patrick • a month ago
Then he should have written it in stone like he did the other rules, but he didn't Blanch! He Didn't!!!
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Sean • a month ago
That would be the "Lord" created just under 200 years ago by a paranoid schizophrenic barbarian in America who heard voices in the woods and had as many as 40 wives, some of which were already married.
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Bill • a month ago
“we considered countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios that could arise.”
except LOVE.
You forgot LOVE.
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Rebecca Gardner • a month ago
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Circ09 • a month ago
"prophet, seer and revelator"? Didn't used to be the blind, old witches up on the mountain town elders would seek out? Or was that only in Shakespeare plays? Mormons don't even afford women that kind of honor (or blame!). Where is the progress made in these thousands of years? Multi-billion dollar grifting. Good work if you can stand it.
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MB • a month ago
Motherfucking MORMONS !
These damn homophobic self-righteous HYPOCRITES !!!
Damn, I HATE MORMONS !!!! They will NEVER, EVER change.
HERETICS and BIGOTS, all of them !!!!
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Ben in Oakland > MB • a month ago
Actually, not all of them.
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Circ09 > Guest • a month ago
Unless you have a Mormon judge that wants to take your soon-to-be adopted child away. Then you better hope saner heads are around to prevail.
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AdamTh • a month ago
“we considered countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios that could arise.”
Yeah, right. I'd love to listen in on one of their "quorum meeting" - just to see how much wine they consume.
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Gigi • a month ago
God doesn't exist so I wonder who they were talking to.
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Todd20036 > Gigi • a month ago
The FSM is not amused by your blasphemy!
All hail is merciful noodliness!
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vorpal > Todd20036 • a month ago
By religious "logic" (I employ the term with hilarity), the fact that whole sections of supermarkets all across the world contain pasta is a true testament to His existence!
Can I get a RAMEN?
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Ginger Snap > vorpal • a month ago
I'll take my plate of FSM with a nice vodka sauce please.
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David Walker > vorpal • a month ago
RAMEN! Sorry it took so long. I was savoring the sauce.
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Palmer > David Walker • a month ago
Marinara or Alfredo?
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David Walker > Palmer • a month ago
Alice B. Toklas Marijuana Sauce. Mmmm...Mmmmmmm!
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Schlukitz > vorpal • a month ago
RAMEN!
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James • a month ago
It's really odd how when Jesus speaks to the leaders of the different sects he always tells them something slightly different.
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Joseph Miceli • a month ago
Jesus just appeared to ME and said all Mormons have been deceived by Satan and must reject their faith. Jesus said gays are good and that wearing funny magic underwear is witchcraft.
I'll prove it! Wait while I look into my hat and I'll write down what Jesus tells me.
Now, I have just as much credibility and just as much evidence for my statements as Joseph Smith. I suggest those Mormons hop to it. Jesus is waiting!
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canoebum • a month ago
Lucky break for those couples and their kids. Their chances of surviving into adulthood without a lot of useless psychological baggage being foisted on them by a cult of master con artists has been greatly enhanced. Congratulations! Welcome to the World of Reason and Modern Humanity.
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2karmanot • a month ago
"that they would be labeled “apostates” and that their
children would not be allowed baptism and other LDS religious rites
......." GOOD NEWS!!!!
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2patricius2 • a month ago
Well, instead of fasting and praying and waiting for the president of their organization to speak, these leaders could have followed common sense and the Golden Rule and just decided to do to others what they would want others to do to them. But I guess this was just too sensible for a group of people whose faith is based on invisible golden tablets seen only by their swindler founder before they were magically taken away by an angel.
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Duane Dimitrov • a month ago
I vote that the correct term for Mormonism isn't "church," it's "freakish cult." That should be added to the style guide.
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DoctorDJ > Duane Dimitrov • a month ago
What's the difference between a "religion" and a "cult?"
A "religion" has a university.
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Duane Dimitrov > DoctorDJ • a month ago
Lol.
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IamM • a month ago
It never ceases to amaze me how bigots like these will openly discriminate against and abuse innocent children in order to harass us.
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Natty Enquirer > IamM • a month ago
It's abuse not to be indoctrinated into the Mormon church?
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IamM > Natty Enquirer • a month ago
From their point of view you'd think so. I was referring to the general pattern extending beyond that though.
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Robert Conner • a month ago
Tom Monson dropped a big revelation out of his "prophet, seer, and revelator" hole! Praise White Jesus!
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jerome72 • a month ago
Is it me or does he look like he should be selling breakfast sausage?
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kiltedyak • a month ago
Hmm. Well that just makes the day
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Mark T. • a month ago
Well, here we have another example of a Christian Faith, forgetting what Jesus taught. Love Thy Neighbor, doesn't mean love him only if he isn't gay, it means LOVE Him or Her to the Best of Your Ability! The Golden Rule, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, would you like to be kicked out of the church for how you feel or who you are attracted too? No, Then don't do it to someone else ya idjit!
Sheesh, it really is that simple a religion folks, and people get it SO far wrong, and do so many horrible things in it's name, that I swear the reason Jesus ascended to heaven was to prevent us using his constant spin in his grave as a power source!
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john Johnson • a month ago
And once those children turn 18, they'll be expected to condemn their parents and their parents relationship if they want to be part of the Mormon community!
Both current and future treatment of these children is deplorable. I wonder if they considered:
. Suffer the little children to come unto me?
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Bob Kellerman • a month ago
THE MAN IS 91 YEARS OLD. THE RELIGION IS BASED ON MARRIAGE AND PROCREATION --- they would rather make their own Gay kids trapped in a living hell that have the guts to "listen to what God says in 2015". The good news is that they will destroy their evil church, because more and more young parents will not stand for this bullshit
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JCF • a month ago
Mormon Jeeebus is whiter than most White Jebuses...
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Macbill • a month ago
The Will of the Lord made us gays and the other natural occurrences of same sex attraction seen in Nature. The former nationally despised-as-Cult Latter-Day Saints shine some hate on "The Other". Who'd of guessed?
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Gianni • a month ago
It's the Will Of The Lord. That's all I need to know.
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Randolph Finder • a month ago
The interesting thing from a PR standpoint is that if the Church had gotten out front on this, they would have simply labelled married gay mormon couples as apostates, focussed things on their ability to do *that* and then added the situation with the children as "Just like other apostates". Fortunately, *our* side was quick enough to get the focus directly on the children and get the issue defined in our terms.
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NZArtist • a month ago
The correct response is: Hahaha! What a fucking loon. Dewd, the voices in your head aren't real. Your invisible friend is a manifestation of your mental disease.
And anyone here who demands 'respect' for this insanity: Fuck you too. Don't give legitimacy to the insanity of imaginary friends influencing our lives. Don't empower these fuckers. They're loons - there are no gods, elves, fairies, goblins, pixies, ghosties or ghoulies. Don't 'respect' this bullshit. Call it out for the madness it is.
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ExGayTherapyKills • a month ago
Why don't they show us their holy writings and things so we can all see them like the Bible? What are they afraid of?
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Octavio > ExGayTherapyKills • a month ago
The truth.
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Ray • a month ago
They effectively made black skin a sin and now they are making homosexual orientation a sin - and taking it out on their children.
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Robertmark Carlson • a month ago
Not too worried about this one- Mormonism is a sham religion created by a convicted shyster. When really old religious people from a false religion tell me (or my children) how "God" said it was okay for them to hate me.... it doesn't bother me once I remind myself they are all participants in a false faith from a sham church.
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Joann Prinzivalli • a month ago
It seems that they are trying to clarify the status of children of same sex couples within LDS.
One might assume that, as apostates with reference to the mainstream LDS religion, LDS same sex couples might have (or might want to start) a splinter sect that has a slightly different theology so they can raise their children within their religious tradition. This wouldn't be terribly different from the various LDS splinter sects that still practice polygamy.
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lattebud • a month ago
DEFINITELY NSFW
Google "abeardedboy mormon" and my respect towards the Mormon leadership is defined in pictures.
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Octavio > lattebud • a month ago
Lighting is rather dim, but it looks as though his is packin' large. :-)
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Hank • a month ago
Hmmm, I wonder what the Mormon Church still feels about the numerous polygamous families, that exist in their backyard. Have they been "cast out"?? Have they been labeled "apostates" as well?? Something to think about. However the word HYPOCRISY comes to my mind. /s
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Gerry Fisher • a month ago
You wouldn't know The Lord if he rode your ass from here to Kingdom Come.
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Gene Perry • a month ago
With the # of people leaving the Morman "church" annually, there will be no more in a couple of generations.
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Gindy51 • a month ago
Smooth move, Ex-Lax, you and your cult just lost whatever chance you had of being relevant in the coming decades. Hope your diminishing membership numbers and tithing receipts hurt. Assholes.
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JustSayin' • a month ago
Does that mean they will stop baptizing gay people after they die, which they do to everyone else but jews? If so then call me an apostate.
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octobercountry • a month ago
Let's hope this statement causes more people to leave this utterly ridiculous religion.
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TheSpinMonkey • a month ago
Yoda you have turned mean spirited
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Octavio > TheSpinMonkey • a month ago
Yoda? Spencer Kimball is dead. There is no more mormon Yoda any more. :-)
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Chris Larosa • a month ago
This should be of no surprise. Mormonism is predicated on marriage and procreation which is a complete departure from orthodox Christianity. Souls on earth are the fruit of a male and female god. A woman must be married to a Mormon man in order to obtain divinity. Male and female gods are called to cosmically procreate for eternity to populate their own earth. So the model of SSM completely doesn't work within the LDS Church. Male/Female Mormon marriage is the center of their entire reality. So you couldn't possibly be orthodox Mormon and accept "gay" at all. There's no possible room for the concept of SSM. To accept SSM would turn the very core of their belief system on it's head. It won't happen.
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Robert > Chris Larosa • a month ago
Mmmmm... yes and no. It is true that in order to become a God and create souls for your own world you have to marry in the temple, etc. But there are plenty of people in the church who are married to non-Mormons who won't have that hope. Further, there are people who cannot reproduce or choose not to... or are beyond the child bearing years. Non of these people are barred from being members. There is nothing that says a gay couple couldn't be members without hope of becoming Gods of their own worlds.
IMO, the reality of it is the Mormons have boxed themselves in (as they did with polygamy) by pretending their prophet is the mouthpiece of God... who pronounces a position as the will of God, only to see society and cultural norms change later which then precipitates a revelation 'clarifying' things... as they had in the 70s with blacks and the priesthood.
Gay Mormons should leave now so that their children are not 'conditioned' by the church and at 18 choose it over them. Find a welcoming church for socialization and community, and forget about the GodMakers.
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Chris Larosa > Robert • a month ago
it is also my understanding that the lead apostle, originally, was to prove his anointed position by god by being to sever a limb of his body and then be able to reattach it. Seriously?
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Octavio > Chris Larosa • a month ago
Works for me. Let's see him do it ASAP!
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Kissmagrits > Chris Larosa • a month ago
Don't forget another crucial foundation of Mormonism - - - Mammon.
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Octavio • a month ago
"Put down that sword, Laban!"
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Coxygru • a month ago
Family values!
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BobSF_94117 • a month ago
I really don't get why we're complaining about this. The LAST thing we need is a gay-affirming Mormon Church.
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oikos • 2 months ago
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GayOldLady > oikos • 2 months ago
Carson and his group of haters aren't really interested in "let and let live" if the were they wouldn't worry about selling us wedding cakes or employing us. They're interested in imposing their religious beliefs on all Americans.
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Schlukitz > GayOldLady • 2 months ago
Absolutely. They have done everything in their power to prevent LGBT people from living.
Fact is, many of his ilk would prefer to see all LGBT people in prison...or dead. :-(
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ExGayTherapyKills > oikos • 2 months ago
That sounds like psychological warfare.
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oikos > ExGayTherapyKills • 2 months ago
It sounds like the truth.
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Schlukitz > oikos • 2 months ago
Amen!
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Chris Baker • 2 months ago
From my count, it's 4 businesses that have been affected in the 10 years that SSM has been legal in various parts of the US. And, if my math is correct, the bakery actually benefited to the tune of $350,000 from donations.
And they didn't lose their livelihood, they just had to change, slightly, their business practices.
I guess this Dr. is too young to recall the cries of "I would rather close my business than be forced to serve [black people]."
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teeveedub > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
They had choices, like any other businesses. They all had the option of obeying the law. They chose not to. End of story. Any negative consequences are entirely of their own making.
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IamM > teeveedub • 2 months ago
And they were sued for violating equal rights laws, not marriage.
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Schlukitz > IamM • 2 months ago
Now, now...no fairsies.
You're using facts.
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MB > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
The plaintiffs that lost just had BAD lawyers.
Oh wait, none of them won their faux legal battles for being hateful homophobic douchenozzles.
* Here in Albuquerque - the Elane Photography case was appealed for 6 years. They lost every single appeal. How terrrrrribly unfortunate.
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Gregory Peterson > MB • 2 months ago
Not only that, but Albuquerque, and shortly after New Mexico, passed anti-discrimination statutes in the 1950s, back when the Bible Belt was hunkering down to protect Jim Crow by most every means possible, including terrorism, short of actual civil war.
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MB > Gregory Peterson • 2 months ago
Gov. Toney Anaya issued an executive order in 1985 prohibiting discrimination against LGBT employees in public employment. Full protections against all forms of discrimination for New Mexico's LGBT community and people living with HIV/AIDS were added and finally codified from 2003-2011 after 12 years of adding protections and finally eliminating/ preventing exemptions.
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GayOldLady > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
"I guess this Dr. is too young to recall the cries of "I would rather close my business than be forced to serve [black people].""
No, he's not to young to remember it, he's too privileged to care about it.
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Azima Khan > GayOldLady • 2 months ago
Black republicans have one very distinct thing in common about them. They're all eager to apologize to the white man on behalf of black people. Ben Carson tells a story of hiding a group of white people from a group of black rights rioters. He'd probably defend those white store owners for brownie points
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Rod Steely > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
Right. NO ONE has lost their business or home. In fact Memories Pizza made over $800,000. Cotonelle the bitter florist received over $174,000 in individual donations prior to GoFundMe removing her donation page due to an alleged terms of service violation. I could go one but NO ONE is being denied their right to do business. HORRORS- they may be told they have to do business with EVERYONE- even black people and 7th Day Adventists!
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studd55 > Rod Steely • 2 months ago
And those donations and benefits are the ones made public. There are several "Christian" gofundme type websites that pander to these bigots. Those sites don't indicate publically what they've collected. e can all rest assured that hundreds of thousands of dollars are raised there by Christians for Bigotry.
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Gustav2 > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
Now, now that was different. That was about BBQ and fried chicken, not cakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Joe in PA > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
yeah Ben, just Look at all the people.... Putz.
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Kissmagrits > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
Dr. Carson was only four when a visiting 14 year old named Emmett Till was accused of whistling at a white women in Mississippi in 1955.
Emmett Till never got to be fifteen because he was lynched on the accusations of a young white woman. So, I think Carson has forgotten what it's like to be reviled for being outside the mainstream. But, his memory goes all the way from selective to defective.
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saltcay > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
Actually, they didn't even have to change their business practices. If they baked wedding cakes, all they had to do is bake the damn wedding cake. If they DJ'd a wedding reception, then just DJ the reception. Issue marriage licenses? Issue the license. Wedding photography? Floral arrangements? Just do your damn job.
Nobody is stopping anyone from worshiping the way you want to worship, OR NOT WORSHIP.
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Schlukitz > Chris Baker • 2 months ago
"I guess this Dr. is too young to recall the cries of "I would rather close my business than be forced to serve [black people]."
That's the part that really gets me. One formerly enslaved group of people advocating the enslavement of another group of people.
Banging myself in the head with the palm of my hand.
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The Sentinel • 2 months ago
“I personally don’t have any problem..." Uh, yeah you do.
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JW Swift > The Sentinel • 2 months ago
If he didn't really have any problem, he could have just stopped right there. But, obvs, he didn't.
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Christopher • 2 months ago
This man is too stupid to function!
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Phaius • 2 months ago
That last bit reads like the religious person's version of "Look, I don't have a problem with black people but they all want to..."
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SFBruce > Phaius • 2 months ago
Exactly. "I'm not a racist, I just happen to believe white people are superior to black people, and because of that, God never intended for the races to mix. It's my sincerely held belief, and it's protected in the Constitution, and that trumps everything else."
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Steve Teeter > SFBruce • 2 months ago
I saw David Duke on a TV talk show appearance talking to a black woman in the audience who had challenged him, saying, "I don't hate you! I don't hate you!" Thing is, he may have been sincere. He may think that he really doesn't hate black people, and that it is a great misfortune for them that God has made them inferior to whites and fit only for subservience. What a shame! You gotta be sorry for them.
Doesn't make him any less of a racist asshole.
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Phaius > Steve Teeter • 2 months ago
I've told people that there are white folks who you can tell sincerely don't hate non-whites, but sincerely believe that there's a cultural or genetic "fault" that makes them incapable of being as civilized or intelligent as white people, so their racism is pity. But, they're still assholes.
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Steven Leahy > Phaius • 2 months ago
Look, you extend laws to protect THEM, then EVERYbody's gonna want civil right protections! Where does it stop??? /s
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oikos • 2 months ago
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Octavio > oikos • 2 months ago
That sure is a derp a derpy derp derp-looking Jeebuzz if there ever was one.
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cleos_mom > Octavio • 2 months ago
He definitely should have used sunscreen.
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lattebud > oikos • 2 months ago
Did they run into each other on men's day at the spa?
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oikos > lattebud • 2 months ago
Stabby's home spa.
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bambinoitaliano > oikos • 2 months ago
Oh My grandma. jesus got big hands. Grandma: It's big enough to jerk off, squeeze the nuts and insert three fingers into Ben Carson anus all at the same time.
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Joe in PA > bambinoitaliano • 2 months ago
someone's been practicing I see. :)
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bambinoitaliano > Joe in PA • 2 months ago
What? Me? No! Never! That's just so ungentlemanly.
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Octavio > Joe in PA • 2 months ago
Only three fingers?
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Joseph Miceli > Octavio • 2 months ago
Well, he WAS wearing some pretty big rings at the time. Don't worry, he got two of the three back.
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Octavio > Joseph Miceli • 2 months ago
Haah!
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Joe in PA > Octavio • 2 months ago
are we talking from experience O? You are so 'bossy'. ;)
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2karmanot > bambinoitaliano • 2 months ago
lunch just hurled
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Gerry Fisher > oikos • 2 months ago
This does kinda say it all.
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Joe in PA > oikos • 2 months ago
I'm kinda likin' the fur on jeebus.
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2karmanot > Joe in PA • 2 months ago
Here ya go Jo:
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Jarle Tveitan • 2 months ago
Imagine a world where a lunatic like this is a potential candidate for the presidency!
Oh wait....
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Bad Tom > Jarle Tveitan • 2 months ago
Oh, shit!
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Bob Conti > Bad Tom • 2 months ago
Waiter, another martini please. And keep 'em coming.
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bkmn • 2 months ago
That's right - the religious right has always been so supportive of letting us live and let live.
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Ninja0980 • 2 months ago
Ah yes, once again we have people telling us all we have to do is draw up a few documents here and there, and wa la, we have all the protections of marriage.
Not how it works asshole.
Not only do many people not have the $$$ to pay lawyers to draw up all those protections but when push came to shove, it was shown over and over again those protections weren't worth the paper they were printed on.
Blood relatives that hadn't seen their son, daughter, brother, sister etc. in years could swoop in and claim rights to a house, property, money etc., of the surviving spouse and in many cases they would win.
And last but not least, state bans in MI, VA, SD, and NE among others forbid the type of thing you suggested because it could resemble marriage.
You assholes never wanted us to have ANY kind of rights and were always happy to pass more laws hurting us because you could.
Take your live and let live attitude and shove it.
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Bad Tom > Ninja0980 • 2 months ago
Carson is stunningly ignorant of all kinds of facts. If he can claim the pyramids were used to store grain, he can claim almost anything. If he said the moon is made of cheese, I would assume he wasn't joking.
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Gustav2 > Ninja0980 • 2 months ago
After we got married I was talking to a 62 year old neighbor. I told her I couldn't believe how easy it was to just walk in and get the license. Ten minutes. It took a lot longer at our attorney's and 10 times the money to get not even one quarter of the protections.
She was shocked about no blood tests, no waiting period, etc.like we used to have in Ohio.
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stuckinthewoods > Gustav2 • 2 months ago
We did the marriage license and ceremony in an hour and a half without telling any one beforehand. An excluded friend wailed, "didn't you even need a witness?" I told her we didn't need a witness because we're obvious. Perhaps I should examine why that seemed to satisfy her so easily.
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studd55 > Gustav2 • 2 months ago
Don't give Christians any ideas, soon they will be requiring blood test, waiting period, etc again.
Because teh gays.
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Gustav2 > studd55 • 2 months ago
Anything to punish the heterosexuals because we can marry.
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studd55 > Gustav2 • 2 months ago
And motivate voters because of those horrible, horrible, gays.
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Schlukitz > Ninja0980 • 2 months ago
"Take your live and let live attitude and shove it."
May I add, sans any lubrication?
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Wynter Marie Starr • 2 months ago
People aren't targeted for their beliefs. They are targeted because they broke the law.
If you want gay people to get lawyers and such, they we should force straight people to do the same or the government should be picking up that tab.
Please define what type of marriage you are talking about as it has been redefined numerous times already. Marriage with a dowery or a bride price. Polygamy. Polyandry. Same sex marriage. Arranged marriage. Marriage for political gain. Marriage to keep wealth within a family. Or, the new kid on the block, marriage for love.
I'm a straight woman and no gay person has ever tried t ruin my life. But then I don't break the law and I'm not a hateful bigot trying to impose my values on people that aren't obligated to believe the way I do.
This fool is never going to get it. He must adore the taste of his feet.
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Ddinz > Wynter Marie Starr • 2 months ago
My 25th wedding anniversary would have been on the 31st of this month. If only Obergefell hadn't ruined our marriage. We were so happy...
Wait, we still are.
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Falconlights > Ddinz • 2 months ago
Happy anniversary!
You know, none of these bigoted dweebs has ever given a rational proof that straight marriage affects straight marriage in any way.
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Wynter Marie Starr > Ddinz • 2 months ago
Congrats! And Happy Anniversary. It's funny that. Marriage equality hasn't ruined one straight marriage. If marriages are ruined, I'd say the two people involved did that all on their own.
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EdmondWherever > Wynter Marie Starr • 2 months ago
They are targeted because they broke the law.
They aren't even really "targeted". Gay customers simply found a business which seemed like it served their purposes, and they went shopping. The merchants then decided that these customers could not make purchases of select products.
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Wynter Marie Starr > EdmondWherever • 2 months ago
Yes, targeted isn't really the right word. I was echoing the language Carson used. That's an old trick when writing or debating. I agree that the people who broke the law were not selected in hopes they would do so. The people attempting to use their services were doing just that. It isn't like these bigots advertised the fact that they were bigots.
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IamM > Wynter Marie Starr • 2 months ago
And the people who make pseudo-libertarian arguments for allowing discrimination never want a corresponding requirement for such disclosure so members of the public can also decide who to do business with.
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Wynter Marie Starr > IamM • 2 months ago
Yeah, they always balk at that, don't they? I had a discussion with someone here who was quite upset at the thought that signs should be posted. As horrible and backwards as that is, how else are we supposed to know?
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IamM > Wynter Marie Starr • 2 months ago
Or just in the last several decades interracial marriage and marriage where women are legally equal to their spouses.
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Wynter Marie Starr > IamM • 2 months ago
Yes, those are also new in the history of marriage. (Although in some places, interracial marriage was accepted and in others, women were equal, or in some cases had/have slightly more power.)
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B Snow > Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
"If you want gay people to get lawyers and such, they we should force straight people to do the same or the government should be picking up that tab."
THIS. Why should gay people have to spend hours of their time and pay lawyers hundreds or thousands of dollars for the same protections straight people get by paying the county $30 and saying "I do"?
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Wynter Marie Starr > B Snow • a month ago
They shouldn't, B. That's why until marriage equality, things weren't equal. That isn't "special" rights like the right says, it's just the gaining of the same rights. Think of what straight people got for their fee; over 1,100 rights. And it wouldn't matter if the people in question knew each other for 20 minutes.
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Mark • 2 months ago
"The way it works now, is Christians target you and they have all kinds of hate speech ridicule. They will bring action against you and try to ruin your life. Look at all the people, because of who they love and their belief in equality, have lost their livelihood and they’re put in jeopardy over their equal marriages. This is supposed to be a country where you live and let live and equal rights are for everyone."
There. I fixed it for your shit for brains.
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studd55 > Mark • 2 months ago
And have "Houses of Worship" devoted to the indoctrination of children and adult citizens to hate "the gays".
The "Houses of Worship" are funded by all taxpayers including "the gays".
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pickypecker • 2 months ago
Comin' thru...
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Joe in PA > Guest • 2 months ago
thank you for pointing that out...and I agree!
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pickypecker > Guest • 2 months ago
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Bad Tom > Guest • 2 months ago
Glittering pink smoke.
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DJ John Bear > pickypecker • 2 months ago
That never gets old ;)
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PLAINTOM • 2 months ago
Your church does not have to accept or sanction same sex marriage but the civil law does and will. By the way, you ARE a bigot.
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pickypecker • 2 months ago
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MB > pickypecker • 2 months ago
Dr. Sparkly Stabby 2016.
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Joseph Miceli > pickypecker • 2 months ago
Just what WAS Dr. Stabby doing in 1969?
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Giant Monster Gamera • 2 months ago
Apparently "live and let live" involves slamming your door in the face of paying customers you don't personally approve of...
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kelven • 2 months ago
Oh boo hoo hoo, hate speech gets ridiculed. Too bad those mean old gays won't just lay down and let you kick them in the teeth anymore. At least we are not calling for "christians" to be stoned to death or burnt at the stake, you know, the origin of that slur you all are so fond of.
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Bad Tom • 2 months ago
"All the people who've lost their livelihoods...because of the gay marriage issue..." -- Ben Carson
Who can be counted on one hand. And who lost their livelihoods by continued intransigence in the face of multiple court orders and lost lawsuits. Who nonetheless won big in the Grifter Lottery.
My heart bleeds for them.
No, wait. It doesn't.
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By the way, Doctor, live and let live includes us.
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lattebud > Bad Tom • 2 months ago
And how many GLBT-owned business have been burned down, bankrupted, etc. by religious folks intolerance?
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Jamie Brewer > lattebud • 2 months ago
This reminds me back in the early 1990's a local leather/book store was dropped by Discover Card because the board of directors decided they did not want to be associated with such a business. I actually owned stock in the company at that time which I promptly sold and cancelled out my account shortly thereafter. I laugh now as I shred the mailings Discover sends me to open an account.
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Bad Tom > lattebud • 2 months ago
Sadly, you will need a database to tabulate them all.
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Schlukitz > lattebud • 2 months ago
Thank you very much.
How about this one for starters?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/...
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lattebud > Schlukitz • 2 months ago
Wow... Thanks for the reminder. Seems so inappropriate to give this a like.
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MB • 2 months ago
At least WE don't murder, beat, bully, stab, bash, shoot and torture you fundamentalist whackjob homophobic religious zealots - though many of you DESERVE the same evils you have levied against us.
(at least not yet.)
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Gustav2 > MB • 2 months ago
Just once I would like an interviewer to ask these nuts, "When did civil marriage become a sacrament or sacred?"
(I know it wouldn't be this guy)
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Schlukitz > MB • 2 months ago
Wait, wait.
Tony Perkins with his report on Floyd Corkins shooting a heterosexual in the hand at HRC Headquarters in 5-4-3-2-1
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Blake Jordan • 2 months ago
I want slaves then, even Jesus supported that practice!
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Octavio > Blake Jordan • 2 months ago
This morning while buying new wipers for my truck I openly complained that at my age I was supposed to have slaves doing such menial work. Then I looked up at the cashier and noticed he was black. I didn't notice he was black until he scowled at me. Then I felt like a total ass. He grinned at me when I said, "Uh sorry for being such an ass." And after he gave me my change he took the wipers out to my truck and changed them for me -- making me feel even more of a total ass wipe. But he WAS handsome and had such beautiful perfect white teeth. I may need to apologize some more and repay him with me on my knees and . . . . . . uh, nevermind.
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MB > Octavio • 2 months ago
Just beg him, reeeeall nice-like.
(...an' mayebee yull gitz ah extree spayshull sir-prahz!)
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Octavio > MB • 2 months ago
The guy's name is Rich and he's extra double AA scenic. (my heart . . . it still flutters)
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Schlukitz > Octavio • 2 months ago
Is it your heart that is fluttering....or the new windshield wipers?
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Octavio > Schlukitz • 2 months ago
You're right, of course. At my age it is hard to tell the difference. :-)
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Schlukitz > Octavio • 2 months ago
LMAO
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oikos > Blake Jordan • 2 months ago
Me too. They must be white, christian and republican.
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Richard Rush • 2 months ago
". . . but to change the definition of marriage, the problem is once you do that for one group, why wouldn’t you have to do that for the next group?"
Relax, Ben. The definition of marriage has not been changed. Marriage has simply been extended to people who had been unconstitutionally excluded. Men have always had the right to marry the person they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with, and so have women, but when that person was of the same gender, they were denied marriage for no rational reason whatsoever. And, citing the Bible is never rational unless you are citing it as an example of writings by ancient people who were so ignorant that they didn't know the earth revolved around the sun.
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Ragnar Lothbrok • 2 months ago
" Why not just leave it like it is "
You probably have no idea about this, but once upon a time, had your wife been white,you would not have been able to marry her - idiot !
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oikos > Ragnar Lothbrok • 2 months ago
and a little further back he would not have been able to marry at all without his master's permission.
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stuckinthewoods > oikos • 2 months ago
Beyond that, slave marriages and families had no legal recognition in American law, leaving the master free to sell any member of a family.
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edrex > oikos • 2 months ago
yes. and what exactly does your bible say about that, Dr. Stabby?
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BeccaM > oikos • 2 months ago
A marriage which, under the laws of the time, remained in effect only as long as the slaves' master allowed it. Hence vows for slaves in that time included the phrase, "until death or distance do us part" -- allowing for the distinct possibility Mr. Master could sell one of them and there wasn't jack shit they could do about it.
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JT • 2 months ago
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EdmondWherever • 2 months ago
We ARE the "next group", Carson. YOUR group already "redefined" marriage in 1967. How soon we forget.
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Alan43 • 2 months ago
Someone needs to explain to Stabby that the reason we have these laws he objects to is precisely so people can "live and let live"
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BeccaM • 2 months ago
Been there and done that, Mental Ben, and guess what? Hiring lawyers to do all that shit is EXPENSIVE, unlike a civil law marriage license where the filing fee is often much less than a hundred bucks. And the funny part is even if you go to the trouble of carrying a manilla envelope with all that expensive legal paperwork in it everywhere you go, you can still end up somewhere where the people there simply refuse to respect it.
And then there's what happens if your 'partner' dies. Even if everything you owned was in both your names, YOU are suddenly on the hook for inheritance taxes, which can (and often did) mean you had to sell everything. On top of this, if your household was depending on a pension or Social Security retirement benefits from your 'partner', you can kiss that goodbye, too.
Or how about if your 'partner' is coming home, but your neighbor's vicious dogs attack and kill her. Well, you can't sue for civil damages or anything because in the eyes of the law, this person was merely a roommate. (This actually happened.)
Or about about all the families which were torn apart because immigration laws refused to recognize any relationship but marriage?
More than 1100 rights and privileges, Benny, and only a few of them can be approximated through legal paperwork -- paperwork which politicians in your own chosen party tried to declare null-and-void in a number of states, including Virginia and Ohio because it attempted to 'confer rights normally associated with marriage.'
In short, fuck you, Ben Carson for "not having a problem" with gay people living together, but not really having any guaranteed legal marriage or family rights. That's not good enough at all.
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studd55 > BeccaM • 2 months ago
Many found that other countries would reject documents unless the word "marriage" appeared on it. "Marriage" is an international word that conveys a meaning that no other documents do and all kinds of questions and problems arise when the word "marriage" does not appear.
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BeccaM > studd55 • 2 months ago
Exactly. There was no end of instances where our manilla envelope of legal paperwork meant nothing at all.
Meanwhile, a man and a woman can show up at a hospital, bank, customs line or anywhere really. She says, "He's my husband." Nobody -- and I mean NOBODY -- challenges that assertion or forces them on the spot to prove their legal relationship.
I still resent the fact I feel it necessary andprudent to carry a laminated miniature copy of our marriage license in my wallet -- but at least it's better than that damned manilla envelope of ID theft bait we used to keep in our car, just in case.
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Cuberly • 2 months ago
"I don't hate anyone.....BUT...those fags are gonna gitcha!"
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pickypecker > Cuberly • 2 months ago
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Friday > pickypecker • 2 months ago
Needs soundtrack: :)
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Steven Rowe > Cuberly • 2 months ago
Usual panic in the streets BS. So many things wrong with this video and what he says, double standards etc. Sill old sod.
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Cuberly > Steven Rowe • 2 months ago
Well, when courting GOPTP delegates and your campaign isn't doing so hot..
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studd55 > Cuberly • 2 months ago
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Friday • 2 months ago
Yeah, that's right, that's why with millions of LGBT people in the country, you still have to trot out the same two or three cases of self-promoting Walmartyrs year after year of this BS. :)
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SorryNotSorry • 2 months ago
It's "live and let live" only now that they lost all the civil rights battles.
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TheManicMechanic • 2 months ago
Doc has been raiding the pharmacy again.
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bkmn > TheManicMechanic • 2 months ago
I was thinking more like he spent too much time with a trash bag on his head with no oxygen.
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bambinoitaliano > bkmn • 2 months ago
That would be good if he held on 10 minutes longer.
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lattebud > TheManicMechanic • 2 months ago
Or maybe not taking his prescribed medication
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Henry Horton • 2 months ago
For 1000's of years they torture, kill us, and try to run us underground and now THEY are offended and 'persecuted' because we stand up and fight back. There's a special ring in the hell they believe in for these assholes.
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Ben in Oakland • 2 months ago
"Look at all the people who because of their religious convictions and their belief in what the Bible says have lost their livelihood..."
It comes out to about a dozen, max. And all because they were such poor business people and so convinced of their absolute superiority as moal people, as Christians, and as human beings that they just COULDN'T say, "I'm booked. please call so and so."
As for how many lives were wrecked because of don't ask don't tell? At least 9000. How many soldiers died because the many of the discharged soliders were arabic and farsi translators? How many people have been fired otherwise because they were gay? No one knows, but i'm petty sure it was more than 12. How many were imprisoned and or executed because of sodomy laws?
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Xuuths > Ben in Oakland • 2 months ago
Actually, it's zero. No one has lost their livelihood because of their biblical beliefs, but some have been fined for breaking the business laws passed by heterosexuals.
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Ben in Oakland > Xuuths • 2 months ago
And that is also true.
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Stev84 > Xuuths • 2 months ago
Some got very rich from being assholes
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Stev84 > Ben in Oakland • 2 months ago
And they lost because of their actions. Not their beliefs. But fanatics like Carson think that everyone has a right to force their religion on other people.
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LarryChemEngr • 2 months ago
Just the same old rhetorical twaddle. "Live and Let Live" is exactly what gay people want, Carson. It's you and your religious fan base that want our lives outlawed, that want the ability to fire us just because we are gay, that want to choose whether we get served at the lunch counter or at City Hall, etc, etc, etc.
I'm not impressed by your grudging acceptance to the concept of gay marriage. Evan a dolt like you realizes that the fight is over and you've lost. However, if we were on the other side of Obergefell at this time, I have absolutely no doubt that you would be including a denunciation of gay marriage in your campaign rhetoric.
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zhera • 2 months ago
Dr. Stabby, not only were you the dumbest kid in school, you're the dumbest man running for POTUS.
No-one has lost their livelihood because of equal rights. No-one is persecuted because of equal rights. Your definition of marriage was once against the law. You, as a black man, would not get to choose your wife. You would've had absolutely no rights. Yet here you are, fantasizing about your god and holy book, and how that makes you a better person than gay people, and how YOU get to decide what other people should be allowed to do.
Shame!
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JamesStone • 2 months ago
Marriage is a "sacred" institution? I thought it was a "civil" institution? This guy is scary!!!! My marriage license was issued by the State of Ohio not by a church!! Sorry Dr...cherry picking verses of your bible and using them to discriminate against people is not what our founding fathers had in mind.
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bambinoitaliano > JamesStone • 2 months ago
Their sacred marriage is like hey, i'm gonna pay you minimum wage to cook and clean my house and occasionally serve as cum dump and punching bag till your death do us part.
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Capritaur • 2 months ago
Unless you're an anti-marriage swindler or an ex-gay quack, nobody lost their livelihood, not even Kim Davis. Plus why should we have to get lawyers to arrange crumbs of rights that straight people so frivolously enjoy?
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studd55 > Capritaur • 2 months ago
Stabby's response: You're a faggot, that's why!
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Joseph Miceli • 2 months ago
There is so much inane, previously debunked bullshit in his statement that it is pointless to rebut it. We've said it all before and nothing gets past his Republitard filters.
Equality is for EVERYONE! Black, white, brown gay straight christianmuslimjew....the laws apply to EVERYONE. Don't like it Benny, move to fucking Russia, see how they like the color of your skin there.
Asswipe douche nozzle.
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Joe in PA > Guest • 2 months ago
Hey I think Colby should get top billing here. Not that I know who Colby Keller is. Ahem.
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Joe in PA > Guest • 2 months ago
eeewwh...talk about a boner killer. I'm glad you don't have those skills. ;)
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Sk3ptic > Joe in PA • 2 months ago
It's bad enough he's on the same cover. Total salt-peter :-(
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chicago dyke > Joe in PA • 2 months ago
i'm lysdexic and i first read your comment as "i think Cosby should get top billing..."
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Joe in PA > chicago dyke • 2 months ago
LOL, I hope "lysdexic" was a clever play. ;)
And I'm totally gay and I first read your comment as "Cosby should get on top". ;) LOL
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Steven Rowe > Guest • 2 months ago
Bend over and lets see what my gifted hands can do!!
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Michael Rush • 2 months ago
“The way it works now is they target you and they have all kind of hate speech ridicule, if there’s a way they can bring action against you they will do that, try to ruin your life. "
Notice here that in his Us ( good people ) Vs Them ( bad people ) world he isn't including you , you are " them / the enemy " , out to destroy everything he values . Ugh .
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bryan • 2 months ago
Ruining someone's life would involve stabbing them, or taking a hammer to them, or lying constantly to them, as Carson does.
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MDixon34 • 2 months ago
If you want to ruin my life then yes, I want to ruin your life right back.
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Gigi • 2 months ago
Stabby makes it sound as though gays are targeting businesses that refuse to obey anti-distribution laws. They're not. There have been a handful of cases where gay couples have been turned away by bigoted business owners. Right wing publications have written countless articles about them, making it seem as though the bigots are being targeted and persecuted. They're not. They're simply being reminded that they don't get to pick and choose which laws they'll obey and which they'll ignore based on their so-called "deeply held religious beliefs."
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Ragnar Lothbrok • 2 months ago
OT:
Seems momma affluenza is complaining about her " accommodations "
Surprise.
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Michael Rush • 2 months ago
" ... once you do that for one group, why wouldn’t you have to do that for the next group?” - Ben Carson
vs
" I’ll fight for the equal rights of all Americans " - Hillary Clinton
( and remember you can only vote for one of them )
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GuestStop • 2 months ago
Says the man who brags about stabbing someone and attacking his own mother.
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DirtyPierre • 2 months ago
Jesus Christ, don't throw stones you idiot! Y'all started this shit and we will finish it.
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Nic Peterson • 2 months ago
Christians went on Jeopardy because of gay marriage? Must of missed that one...
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William > Nic Peterson • 2 months ago
I'd like 'Brain Dead Assholes' for $500 please.
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Nic Peterson > William • 2 months ago
Daily Double!
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delk • 2 months ago
Yeah, right. We might try to ruin your life, you bigots have consistently ruined our lives, over and goddamn over again.
Go back pretending like the base would ever vote for you. asshole
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Gerry Fisher • 2 months ago
"Your attempts to pander and to enact a theocracy have grown TIRE-some. Now is ze time on Sprockets vhen ve dance!" --Dieter
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Gerry Fisher > Gerry Fisher • 2 months ago
Sorry...I can be a bit random on Fridays.
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Bad Tom > Gerry Fisher • 2 months ago
Do you vant to touch my MONKEY?!?
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oikos > Bad Tom • 2 months ago
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Rod Steely > Bad Tom • 2 months ago
LOVE my monkey!
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chris james • 2 months ago
There is no "next group" you idiot, what a moron. And of course we know not a single good Christian uses hate speech against the gay community. If there is any man in this country that needs brain surgery it is Carson...except they probably won't find a single brain cell if they looked closely..
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Baby Dave • 2 months ago
An animal thrashes wildly when backed into a corner. It fights most fiercely when nearest to it's own death.
This particular candidacy's life expectancy will run out some time after the second primary.
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Michael Rush • 2 months ago
This conversation happened in November 2015 .
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studd55 > Michael Rush • 2 months ago
The conversation started in 1970:
On May 18, 1970, two University of Minnesota students, Richard John Jack Baker and James Michael McConnell applied to Hennepin County District Court clerk Gerald Nelson for a marriage license. He denied the application, because the applicants were both men. Baker and McConnell sued Nelson, claiming Minnesota law on marriage made no mention of gender. The trial court was not impressed with the argument, agreeing with Nelson. The state Supreme Court agreed with the lower court. When Baker-McConnell went to the U.S. Supreme Court, the couple was rebuffed again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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jonfromcalifornia • 2 months ago
This man is so thoroughly uninformed and ignorant, I am just amazed that he is a "neurosurgeon". Does being a conservative mean you get to deduct 80 percent of your brain cells?
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delk • 2 months ago
AND, if Cotenelle's arrangements were anything like her hairstyle, she should have been out of business years ago.
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MB • 2 months ago
Why write a book on the Constitution, Dr. Stabby > Why, INDEED !!!
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Bill • 2 months ago
There are 3rd graders that have given these issues more considered thought than this fool.
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Sean • 2 months ago
When anti-LGBT bigots work to interfere in, deny, & take away 1st, 5th, & 14th amendment rights of LGBT people demanding LGBT Americans live our lives, define our lives, & base laws that apply to us according to anti-LGBT's religious beliefs that is NOT live & let live.
Banning gay Americans from serving in the military, which Israel does not, is NOT live & let live. Banning gay couples from marrying is not live & let live. Legalizing Jim Crow discrimination against LGBT while banning discrimination against anti-LGBT is NOT live & let live. Telling & controlling (against our free will) LGBT how we can & cannot form OUR families is NOT live & let live.
You say LGBT have no right to define marriage for everybody else - even though the definition of marriage in American law was changed when the Supreme Court legalized interracial marriage the exact same way they did with marriage for gay couples using the same arguments & legal constitutional justification for legalizing it - well you & everybody else have NO right to define marriage or family for me.
MY marriage, MY family, MY life, MY RULES & if you expect me to respect your life, etc then you better respect mine - that is the Golden rule Luke 6: 31 - the government however has no choice but to respect & protect me as I am & as I demand because I pay them to do so. I am their master, not the other way around. Get over it House Negro, Uncle Tom, "Dr." Carl Vaernet wannabe.
As for freedom of speech; that doesn't exclude you from MY freedom of speech to criticize you, nor does it exclude you from consequences. You can yell fire in a crowded theater all your want but if there is no fire & someone gets hurt or killed because of you then you deserve to face the consequences of facilitating the events that lead to that death or injury. You have the free speech to call me an anti-gay epithet, & conversely I have the free speech to call you a bigot, hater, etc. Just got to love Luke 6: 31. Oh right, CONservatives can do & say whatever they want to & about whomever they want but the second someone does the same to them their freedoms are being "violated." Classic "do as I say, not as I do" barbarian behavior no REAL American would value.
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BudClark • 2 months ago
Dr. Carson needs to take Black History 101. Apparently he knows NOTHING of his OWN people's struggles and journey.
How sad, really.
We older GLBTQAI people need to spend a LOT more time sitting around and passing on OUR oral history to younger GLBTQAI people. Yes, more of it has been written down, but SO much has been lost.
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KnownDonorDad > BudClark • 2 months ago
Maybe he has revitiligo, like Uncle Ruckus.
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KarenAtFOH • 2 months ago
Hey Doc, we have no problem with "live and let live" unless your idea of it is to stab us in back, fire us, refuse us lawful service, or otherwise prevent us from peacefully enjoying our rights.
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studd55 • 2 months ago
Gays are exposing Christians for the extreme bigots they are.
That is why Christians believe they are threatened. Their arsenal of hate is being ever so slowly removed and they are in a panic. They have to develop more and more twisted and contorted beliefs and techniques to express their hate, even trying to reinvigorate old ones to keep their hate toward others going. It is hard work!
Even the NALT ones since they continue to enable and support their bigoted hateful brethren with their tacit agreement in their silence.
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MB • 2 months ago
One of you guys should do something "special" to this photo, please ???
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BeccaM > MB • 2 months ago
"I like to lick."
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William > MB • 2 months ago
If only there was a corn dog around.
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Guest • 2 months ago
Go fuck yourself Stabby
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Yalma Cuder-Zicci • 2 months ago
We're just changin' it this one ti'. How is that fair for the next grou'.
God, I hate that clipped way he talks.
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Gustav2 • 2 months ago
Why does Dr Carson hate the 14th Amendment?
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Todd20036 > Gustav2 • 2 months ago
Because it applies to minorities he finds icky without realizing that he's a minority some of his "friends" find icky
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Boy Elvis • 2 months ago
We want people to stop being bigots, and bigots hate that, so I suppose to them that's life ruining.
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Hue-Man • 2 months ago
Ah, Friday. I wonder whose lives I'm going to ruin this weekend? (Grins evilly)
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pickypecker > Hue-Man • 2 months ago
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Joe in PA > pickypecker • 2 months ago
eeeeewhhh.
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delk > pickypecker • 2 months ago
ha, caught that rerun yesterday!
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Joe in PA > Hue-Man • 2 months ago
mmmm, whadya have in mind big boy? :)
[and be specific] ;)
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CottonBlimp > Hue-Man • 2 months ago
I only ruin assholes.
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Todd20036 > CottonBlimp • 2 months ago
Been there... done that.
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bambinoitaliano • 2 months ago
Did someone said he just shuffle his campaign team? What change? The toe nails color?
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JCF • 2 months ago
Stabby,
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KnownDonorDad • 2 months ago
"Ruin your life?" Like being denied housing, fired, disowned, assaulted, or driven to suicide? Oh right, that's what your side does to LGBT people.
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TheSeer • 2 months ago
Christofascist scum is projecting again.
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j.martindale • 2 months ago
Actually, I don't give a damn about ruining your life. Your life isn't worth shit to me. What I am interested in ruining are your political ambitions, because you and your party want to impose your religion on the rest of us. Freedom of religion does NOT include the freedom to discriminate illegally, which is what the bakers and other SOBs who were prosecuted did. It also does not include the the freedom from ridicule, something which I would say you are pretty much responsible for yourself.
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JVB • 2 months ago
The only life we want to ruin is yours Ben Carson and we will do it with fairy dust and glitter.
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GayOldLady • 2 months ago
You can go away now Ben Carson, your 60 seconds of fame are over!!!
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Marides48 • 2 months ago
Yea, we GAYS can be so upidee!
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ben • 2 months ago
OT: They caught El Chapo again.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/...
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TuuxKabin > ben • 2 months ago
Is that twice in the same day? They're getting better.
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The Professor • 2 months ago
Oh you asshole, don't flatter yourself. I couldn't care less about your pathetic little life, and once you finally drop out of your sad, joke of a campaign, neither will anyone else.
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stanhope • 2 months ago
How does he explain Miss Armstrong Williams doing his rendition of Jolene as the Black Dolly Parton-Jackson coming to an adult bookstore near you?
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Southpaw Σ:3 • 2 months ago
So his argument is a fallacious slippery slope argument? That's it?
We don't let pedophiles marry children because children cannot consent. We don't let zoophiles marry their pets because animals cannot consent.
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Raising_Rlyeh • 2 months ago
“I personally don’t have any problem with any two people, regardless of what their feelings are, of living together, of getting a lawyer to create some documents so they can share property and have hospital visitation rights"
Well... isn't that just so fucking kind and merciful of him.
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cleos_mom • 2 months ago
Totally in character for the token nonwhite GOP candidate to applaud a revival of Jim Crow for gays. But he's 8 years too late: that was the go-to scam in the 2008 election cycle (and plenty of people who should have known better bought it).
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radiofreerome • 2 months ago
What's "hate speech"? Isn't that Christian love?
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Mark Cross • 2 months ago
Dear Ben...
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Schlukitz • 2 months ago
"Extra" rights?
What the fuck is he talking about?
Wanting the same rights as everyone else is "extra" rights?
By his warped and twisted thinking, blacks wanting to be served at Woolworth luncheon counters was "extra" rights.
Along with that extra helping of "slaw' with your grilled cheese and tomatoe on "White" bread, please.
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j.martindale • 2 months ago
In my mind, a Black man who doesn't recognize the evils of discrimination when it is levied against other peoples is a disgrace to his race in the same way that a gay man who does not recognize racial discrimination is a disgrace to the gay community. Dr. Stabby is very simply a bad man who is a disgrace--blind to history and injustice.
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KnownDonorDad > j.martindale • 2 months ago
It's compounded by the fact that he's a highly educated man who believes the universe is 6,000 years old and Joseph built the pyramids to store grain.
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Gianni > KnownDonorDad • 2 months ago
I will always be in awe of his knowledge of Egyptian history and the real purpose of the pyramids.
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jerry • 2 months ago
"...constitution written at 8th-grade level..." So that's why conservatives have such a hard time understanding the constitution...that, or the willful ignorance they display on pretty much any issue.
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Gianni > jerry • 2 months ago
I wondered about that comment myself. So the framers of our Constitution debated, organized, composed, and wrote the document like a bunch of 8th graders? This boob is so far out of his mental league we're losing sight of him. That must be why he understands it so well. That must also be why it takes nine federal judges schooled in constitutional law and interpretation of the history, culture, mindset, and politics of the framers lives and experiences.
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geoffalnutt • 2 months ago
"Ridicule"? Absolutely! If it "ruins your life" - says a lot about your life, doesn't it? You idiot!
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TKW • 2 months ago
Why does he always sound like he just took a Qualude?
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BeccaM > TKW • 2 months ago
Mad cow disease, from playing with all those brains all those years. It's my working theory anyway.
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Jean-Marc in Canada • 2 months ago
Hey Stabby, you dumb fuck, SCOTUS has ruled on this so......
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Christian Activists To Debate Executing Homosexuals
February 16, 2016 Crackpots, Extremists, Religion
Today anti-LGBT Christian activist Michael Brown published a column for the viciously anti-LGBT Charisma News in which he denounced fellow anti-LGBT Christian activist Ted Shoebat for his many calls to execute homosexuals. Shoebat responded on Twitter by challenging Brown to a debate on this aspect of Christian Love™ and Brown has accepted. From the opening to Brown’s column:
In a very troubling video, Theodore Shoebat, son of former Muslim Walid Shoebat, has claimed that if “sodomites” had walked into the temple of Jerusalem, Jesus would have killed them. This is absolutely outrageous, totally unscriptural and downright dangerous. Mr. Shoebat, I urge you to repent.
To be perfectly clear, I agree with Theodore that homosexual practice is detestable in God’s sight (as stated plainly in the Scriptures); I totally oppose same-sex “marriage”; and I firmly believe that homosexual activism is the principle threat to our freedoms of religion, speech, and conscience. I also share Theodore’s abhorrence of the abusive acts of homosexual predators, just as I abhor the abusive acts of heterosexual predators.
At the same time, I categorically reject his encouragement of violent acts against homosexual men and women, and I renounce his statement that Jesus would have killed homosexuals who walked into the temple. That is utter rubbish. Not only is this not supported anywhere in the New Testament, which teaches us to overcome evil with good (see, for example, Romans 12:17-21), but it is flatly against the law, since, as much as we may oppose these gay demonstrations, we do not have the right to take the law into our hands and attack homosexual men and women. And if you have God’s heart of love and you want to see them saved and transformed, why would you want to beat them up?
Somehow yours truly got mentioned in their Twitter exchange.deb3 deb4 deb1 deb2deb5 deb6It’s rather comical that Matt Barber now denounces Shoebat considering that it was Barber who published multiple columns from Shoebat on his own site, BarbWire. Those columns were quietly deleted only after several posts about them here on JMG.
RELATED: Also today, Shoebat posted a video in which he celebrates this weekend’s “noble act” in which Peruvian police beat gay activists with batons for “blaspheming God” by kissing in public.
PREVIOUSLY ON JMG: Michael Brown exports anti-LGBT hatred to Peru. Michael Brown claims gay activists want Christians thrown into prison. Michael Brown claims that Hillary Clinton is controlled by Satanic homosexuals. Michael Brown claims that the Bible is 100% true except for the parts he doesn’t like. Michael Brown leads a hate march of hundreds of Christians to disrupt Charlotte’s gay pride parade. Michael Brown debuts his book with a video using small children to ridicule gay families. Michael Brown claims he’s “honored” to be featured on the SPLC’s “hit list.” Michael Brown claims he’s “outraged” to be featured on the SPLC’s “hit list.” Michael Brown denounces the “vulgar” post labels on JMG.
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Mark Alexander • 10 days ago
I still blame Reagan for cutting mental health funding.
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rabbit_ears > Mark Alexander • 10 days ago
He is still highly blameable for a ton of crap.
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Jimmie Z > rabbit_ears • 10 days ago
Reagan is still dead.
My name is Gip McGipperson, and I approve this message.
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Jimmie Z > Jimmie Z • 10 days ago
(post stolen from the late, great ReaganBook of Janet WhatserName)
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Maki Stefan > Jimmie Z • 10 days ago
Are you sure you do? I've always wanted to qustion that (stupid) line. If I would to commercials like that I would probably say that 'I'm not sure I approve this message'. Its so cliche that those you do say it probably don't even think what they are saying.
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2patricius2 > Mark Alexander • 10 days ago
And I blame him for refusing to address the AIDS crisis as it was in its initial stages when addressing it could have made a huge difference.
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DaddyRay > Mark Alexander • 10 days ago
He knew he had Alzheimer and didn't want to go to a mental hospital
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andrea > DaddyRay • 9 days ago
Everyone knew he had Alzheimer's and we just sat there and let a demented old man run our country.
I graduated high school in Reagan's last year. I think I have a permanent hate-on for the Republican party after having that grinning shithead foisted on me. I KNEW he was not right, all along. I wondered then, and now, why didn't ANYONE ELSE SAY SOMETHING??
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madmatthew56 > andrea • 8 days ago
A lot of us did. But there weren't the Intertubes back then, and besides, what good could we do even if there had been a web? We'd have just been dismissed as kooks by Congress and the so-called liberal media, then as now, and most of the public was too distracted by (a.) trying to make a living and (b.) the bread-and-circus entertainments of the day, then as now.
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CanuckDon > Mark Alexander • 10 days ago
It really depends. How much computer time are in-patients allowed daily?
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bryan • 10 days ago
Shoebat wants us murdered. Brown wants us suicidal. They all want us dead. They just disagree on the method.
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Maki Stefan > bryan • 10 days ago
They *pretend* they do. Thats the vital point. Brown is just lying. He don't want to be labeled as an arsehole which he is.
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Michael Rush • 10 days ago
Theodore Shoebat is the one person whose name address and phone number should be made public , someone in the national news needs to drag this roach out into the sunlight .
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nocadrummer > Michael Rush • 10 days ago
His address? It's his mommy's basement.
Along with the other vermin.
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The Professor > Michael Rush • 10 days ago
Seriously. Probably not hard to find.
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glass > The Professor • 10 days ago
Actually all I could find was El Paso TX.
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bkmn • 10 days ago
Ted would get lost on the way to the studio. Little things distract him so easily.
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Rebecca Gardner • 10 days ago
Religion is a mental disease.
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Marky > Rebecca Gardner • 10 days ago
+ bad parents + religion.
Don't you just love it when a group of people thinks that they were born of some kind of elevated status and get to "decide your fate" like they're rearranging animals in their farm?
Coming Next : People with common sense dictate whether those of us plagued by religious belief should be ALLOW to spread these lies. So, should we ALLOW them to do this? What should we do? How should we MANIPULATE these CHILD-PAWNS as they would like to manipulate others.
They need to get off of their stupid horse, and keep their damn palm fronds offa' my driveway.
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Paula > Rebecca Gardner • 10 days ago
It all started with dinner.
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Johnny Wyeknot > Paula • 10 days ago
Reminds me of a 70's brunch I once attended.
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Rebecca Gardner > Paula • 10 days ago
That's called Transubstantiation.
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Todd20036 > Paula • 10 days ago
At least Jesus is low in fat.
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andrea > Rebecca Gardner • 9 days ago
Religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity.
We really, really need to crush it out of our system before it kills us.
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PackCat > andrea • 8 days ago
I'll settle for tamping it down to a small smolder.
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Ninja0980 • 10 days ago
The only reason they are "angry" with Ted is because he is simply honest about what these folks would like to do to us.
Look at Uganda, Kenya and Russia or even the U.S. during the Aids Crisis of the 80's to see what happens when the Religious Reich has influence on government policy.
No different then the Islamic theocracies of the Middle East.
They all want us in jail or dead, the only difference being the ways they would kill us and the book they would use in justifying it.
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oikos • 10 days ago
Two knuckledraggers debating the degree to which the earth is flat.
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JT > oikos • 10 days ago
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Stev84 > JT • 10 days ago
He probably did not say that. And that the Earth is round was widely accepted by that time
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Paul D. > JT • 10 days ago
Earth's shadow does not cause the moon phases. To be accurate, the photo should show a lunar eclipse.
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2patricius2 > Paul D. • 10 days ago
The earth's shadow doesn't cause the moon's phases, but it does cause lunar eclipses.
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Shy Guy > Paul D. • 9 days ago
Perhaps it does show a lunar eclipse partway through? (I know it doesn't.)
Even though it's not the shadow of the earth. the curve does demonstrate the roundness of the moon, which should then cast doubt on the flatness of the earth.
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JT > Paul D. • 10 days ago
The size of the shadow may be off there but here's one with full action.
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aschops • 10 days ago
Imagine if Shoebat were a Muslim - imagine if he were a Muslim calling for religiously-motivated murders of entire communities. He'd already be under FBI custody for years by now.
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JT > aschops • 9 days ago
It's OK to be a Nazi if you're a christonazi.
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Jay Sheckley > aschops • 9 days ago
The FBI may well be watching him. Surely Homeland Security is.
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Blake > aschops • 9 days ago
Hes on the payroll of you know who. A collab in his peoples' misery. Sold his soul to the devil.
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bill@19D • 10 days ago
The question that should be posed to all those anti gays denouncing shoebat is: okay well what do you want to happen to gay people? They are trying to make themselves look civilized by comparison but the fact of the matter is most of them want it criminalized.
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LarryChemEngr • 10 days ago
These morons would poop their pants if the title read, "Homosexuals Debate Executing Christian Activists".
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TampaDink > LarryChemEngr • 10 days ago
"Homosexuals Debate Executing Christian Activists" is what they call, LGBT folks expecting equal treatment under the law. It kills them to think of us having the same rights that they enjoy.
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olandp > TampaDink • 10 days ago
No Dink, they fear that we will treat them the way they have treated us. And that is terrifying for them.
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TampaDink > olandp • 10 days ago
But the thought of that happening, to them...in their fucked up minds, equates us wanting them dead.
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olandp > TampaDink • 10 days ago
That is what I meant, they can't conceive that we just want to be treated as equal human beings. Other than that we don't care about them and would rather that we never hear from them again.
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TampaDink > olandp • 10 days ago
Knowing that we exist prevents them from being about to not care about us.
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PackCat > TampaDink • 8 days ago
This country has gone from enjoying the fruits of our labor, to making sure no one else can enjoy the same fruits for any reason. We have become a very selfish country by thinking only ourselves can call the shots on anything at any given time and that everyone else is wrong.
It is like greed in its pure form... It is not about how much YOU have, it is about what you can have and nobody else can.
I'm thinking everyone on the Forbes list would be fine with $15 in their pocket, as long as they knew everyone else had nothing in their pockets. We have become a sick society.
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Ogre Magi • 10 days ago
I hate christians soooooooooooooooo much
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TampaDink > Ogre Magi • 10 days ago
It depends on how they are prepared.
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Canadian Observer > TampaDink • 10 days ago
You absolutely have to cook em low and long... otherwise you can't get rid of the bitter taste.
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ZnSD > Canadian Observer • 9 days ago
Braised in their own bitter tears, the meat simply falls off the bone.
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TampaDink > Canadian Observer • 10 days ago
Bitterness does seem to be a major drawback to this particular type of meat.
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Craig Howell > TampaDink • 10 days ago
Where are my fava beans and chianti?
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TampaDink > Craig Howell • 10 days ago
Clarice will be bringing them around in short order.
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Johnny Wyeknot > TampaDink • 10 days ago
On wafers with some burgundy
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TampaDink > Johnny Wyeknot • 10 days ago
Or as we call 'em.....snacks.
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Jay Sheckley > Ogre Magi • 9 days ago
Ahaha! Half the Christians I know are gay. More than half. This whole gay vs god thing is idiotic, insidious and deeply inaccurate. Atheism is fine, but don't help out the nutbars trying to kill us.
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andrea > Jay Sheckley • 9 days ago
The whole Gay VS. God thing is all that there is, frankly.
You have to be blind not to see it. There are NO other social institutions trying so hard to kill LGBT people.
I don't care if "half" of your Christians are gay. Enough of them don't speak up and stop the madness, that we can't tell. I assume EVERY religious person is a bigot until they demonstrate to me otherwise.
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Tom Schott • 10 days ago
"...it [killing people because you don't like them] is flatly against the law, since, as much as we may oppose these gay demonstrations, we do not have the right to take the law into our hands and attack homosexual men and women."
And there is the ONLY difference between islamic and christian fundies - christians would kill the fuck outta gays and everyone else deemed worthy of death by their bible if only U.S. laws allowed them to.
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Necessitas > Tom Schott • 10 days ago
That's about the size of it. And under President Cruz...
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Todd20036 > Necessitas • 10 days ago
Or Rubio or Trump.
Trump may appear the least religious, but just as W attempted to put an anti gay amendment into the COnstitution, Trump would throw us into camps just to prove his conservative bona fides.
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teeveedub • 10 days ago
It's so comforting to see that there's nuance among the anti-LGBT zealots as to just how detestable we are.
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RJ Tremor • 10 days ago
I think we need more popcorn than this can ever handle. Just saying.
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Benny S. > RJ Tremor • 10 days ago
Should I bring martinis or cosmopolitans???
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Joe knows who I am. > Benny S. • 10 days ago
Both.
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ZnSD > Benny S. • 9 days ago
I'll have a french 75, thanks.
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joe ho • 10 days ago
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SpunkyBunks • 10 days ago
These two closet cases bitch about the gays EVERY single damn day. Doesn't it get old?
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Matthew Delemos > SpunkyBunks • 10 days ago
Not while they make a living off it.
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CanuckDon > SpunkyBunks • 10 days ago
You gotta bet that there's people in their daily lives that are fucking sick of it.
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Taylor • 10 days ago
It's curious that Brown mentioned Shoebat's father being a former Muslim. Why is this important? Would he have said anything about Shoebat's parentage if his father was not a former Muslim, but had always been a Christian, like Brown?
I'm guessing Brown, wants to incite the prejudice of the crowd, before the debate even begins.
Shoebat and Brown, deserve each. One is just as sleazy as the other.
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BobSF_94117 > Taylor • 10 days ago
Pere Shoebat is "famous" for being a former Muslim and former "terrorist". It's his grift. None of it is true, but the wingnuts love the "proof" he provides about terrorist goals and pay him accordingly. Sometimes with tax dollars.
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RJ Bone > Taylor • 10 days ago
"I'm guessing Brown, wants to incite the prejudice of the crowd, before the debate even begins."
Like the debate the other night between Trump and Cruz, they cannot even be CIVIL to THEIR OWN PEOPLE if they're not exactly the right brand of their bullshit.
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zhera > Taylor • 10 days ago
It's his way of saying that REAL christians are nice and Jesus-y, while muslims are savages who kill everyone. Thus, gay people should be thrilled to have a christianist theocracy in the US and grateful for not being stoned to death while they have their rights taken from them.
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popebuck1 • 10 days ago
Joe, your role here is clear. Obviously, only you have the moral authority to be the referee here!
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TampaDink > popebuck1 • 10 days ago
Or to be the adult in the room & encourage them to disagree and settle their differences like "manly men" with fists.
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popebuck1 > TampaDink • 10 days ago
I was hoping for pistols at dawn, but I guess your idea is good too.
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TampaDink > popebuck1 • 10 days ago
I like the imagery of pistols at dawn.
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Azima Khan > TampaDink • 9 days ago
I can't imagine shoebat interacting with another human being and it not ending in traded blows
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TampaDink > Azima Khan • 9 days ago
Full disclosure, I'm a little guy who has never been in a fist fight in my 52+ yrs. but bat shit shoe bat ties with the pharma douche in my book as having the most punchable face on the planet.
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Joe knows who I am. > popebuck1 • 10 days ago
Proving once again that the LGBTQ Inc. once again has the moral superiority.
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thank-you-thing • 10 days ago
In your face Theodore Shoebat !!!
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Octavio > thank-you-thing • 10 days ago
I see semen
I see France
I see something
Left your pants! :-)
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Joe knows who I am. > Octavio • 10 days ago
Always the one to bring childishness to this kind of debate.
Thanks! :-D
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Octavio > Joe knows who I am. • 10 days ago
It's a lingering sickness that began when I taught combined 4th/5th grades for five years. You should hear my catalog of jokes.
Q: What's the first lady's favorite vegetable?
A: Barackoli.
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Joe knows who I am. > Octavio • 10 days ago
You call it sickness. I call it preservation.
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RJ Bone > Octavio • 10 days ago
Please-just-not-his-under-pants
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Bill • 10 days ago
These are some sick, sorry, weak, weak, weak men.
Pity is all I can muster at this point.
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RJ Bone > Bill • 10 days ago
They do not even deserve pity. They barely deserve the consideration that it would take to step around them on a sidewalk. Their consciousness is subhuman, at best.
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Joe knows who I am. > Bill • 10 days ago
Better than me. I can't get past revulsion.
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CanuckDon > Bill • 10 days ago
Some numbers of psychotherapists too.
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RJ Bone • 10 days ago
"Michael Brown claims gay activists want Christians thrown into prison"
There are many who SHOULD BE locked away in a very deep, very dark hole because they are dangerous. These are people looking for a reason to hurt someone. These fellows among them. I would love to talk to people that knew them as children, because there will be stories of violence toward helpless things, for starters...
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Maki Stefan > RJ Bone • 10 days ago
Its intresting how they keep talking about what gays 'are thinking' (themselves projecting THEIR thoughts to gays) rather than what they think. They say how gays want them jailed BUT tactically 'forget' that THEY want and have wanted for a long time gays to be jailed. So its okay to want those 'abhorrent' sodomites to be jailed but terrible to think that about them when they do it against gays. Gays wanting to have same right to have and express an opinion is 'religious prosecution' but if their opinions are ignored they start to whine about how there 'should be "equal" right to have and express opionions FOR THEM' as they automatically reject and label disagreeing theim to be 'prosecution', 'silencing' = gays dont have right to express opinions but THEY DO. Hypocrite assholes.
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S.R Lee > Maki Stefan • 8 days ago
Well put, Maki.
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Friday > RJ Bone • 9 days ago
They're always threatening to kill us and encouraging those who do, and they are indignant about a few of the people they threaten thinking these lunatics ought to be locked up?
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Judas Peckerwood • 10 days ago
I'm rooting for the evil of two lessers!
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Paul • 10 days ago
This is why aliens won't talk to us.
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Porkie > Paul • 9 days ago
What about Ann Coulter? ...It's getting her to shut up that's the problem.
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Gregory In Seattle • 10 days ago
How about a discussion about committing dangerous religious fanatics to mental institutions?
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Mommie Dammit • 10 days ago
Bring it, Shoebat... Mommie has a surprise waiting for you, her name is Matilda.
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Jimmie Z > Mommie Dammit • 10 days ago
There was a guy who posted once on JMG, from behind what he described as a "double firewall."
He lived in the swamps of Louisiana, and some Bubba or other trespassed on his property to "come and git him." He also had a surprise in store for Bubba. He said he threw the carcass into the swamp, and alligators made short work of the disposal process. I have to say I got a chuckle out of that story.
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SunsetGay • 10 days ago
The debate will take at Michael Brown's radio studios.... In the men's restroom, 2nd stall, between the hours of 2AM and 3AM.
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Mark Alexander > SunsetGay • 10 days ago
Don't you mean between the 2nd and 3rd stalls at 2 am?
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paulakey • 10 days ago
In the debate, let them look at ALL the abominations in Leviticus, one of which is not loving your neighbour. For readers unfamiliar with Leviticus (written 3,500 years ago when starting a fire was done with two flints/sticks) here is a letter to a Dr. Laura who is a vicious homophobic:
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When people try to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them:
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9).The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24).The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev.25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev.11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev.11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend. He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Why do certain Christians hold on to the homosexual abomination in Leviticus while ignoring all the others. http://stories4hotbloodedlesbi... m
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Skeptical_Inquirer • 10 days ago
Christians always think they're superior in morality but a good many of them are no different than people who kill albinos because they think their body parts have magic powers. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3418... They have succumbed to the same bad impulse to wish death and harm on those that are different and accuse them of being the cause of disasters.
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andrea > Skeptical_Inquirer • 9 days ago
People who think they are "superior" are generally the opposite. They turn out to be the kind of people that everyone else has to drag-ass for.
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zhera • 10 days ago
So, apparently they all read JMG? Or is that 'read', while looking at the ads secretly?
I notice that Michael Brown never said that it would be a moral wrong to kill homosexuals, just that Jesus wouldn't have and that it's against the law in the US.
Interesting. Care to tell us more about that, Brown? Would you kill them if it wasn't against the law?
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j.martindale • 10 days ago
How very liberal of him. He doesn't think stoning is the appropriate punishment for homosexuality.
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Maki Stefan > j.martindale • 10 days ago
Liberal = free, 'free-minded'. But I think he didn't even want pretend be a 'liberal' but more like 'mercyful' or 'generous'. Of course full bs but thats what he obviously thinks he is.
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JT • 10 days ago
Shoebatshit crazy on the loose again.
What say we debate executing religious crazies who debate executing gay people?
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Michael Rush > JT • 10 days ago
You're just trying to create a better world , you know they won't like that .
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Matthew Delemos > JT • 10 days ago
I'm fairly certain some of these people want to be killed by angry LGBT's.
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TampaDink > Matthew Delemos • 10 days ago
Those are just some of their dark fantasies.
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Max_1 • 9 days ago
The ISIS of Christianity said what... ???!
Who
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Friday > Max_1 • 9 days ago
They need a new Fred Phelps so the other hate-preachers can tell their sheep they're 'moderate.'
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Cuberly • 10 days ago
Braun: Shame, chastise, prosecute, outlaw & demonize lgbts into disappearance.
BatShit: Kill em.
Desired outcome appears to be the same fellas. Be sure to video tape it so it can be put online. Lets recruit more atheists. Oops, did I say that out loud?
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KnownDonorDad • 10 days ago
Theodore Shoebat, son of former Muslim Walid Shoebat
I believe that would make Shoebat's family apostates, and I'm sure that Islamists would deem that worthy of death. Maybe he would like to discuss that?
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BartmanLA > KnownDonorDad • 9 days ago
He is the classic example of a troll, A. Theodore Shoebat isn't his real name it's Anthony Puccetti, B The setting where he makes his videos is staged. C. His rants are scripted and contrived by others. D While he might have some "religion" he's being used to promote a rabid Anti Gay agenda simply to generate more "clicks" and comments to stir up the right.
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Michael Smith • 10 days ago
Out of curiosity, I wonder how many views Ted Batshit gets? If these Christians truly find his views to be outrageous, it might be better for them to just ignore him instead of giving him a platform.
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JoeMyGod Mod > Michael Smith • 10 days ago
Tell that to Janet "ReaganBook" Porter, who put Shoebat in her latest anti-gay documentary alongside Mike Huckabee, David Barton, and Porno Pete.
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Mommie Dammit > JoeMyGod • 10 days ago
OK, Joe... speaking of batshit crazy nobodies that wouldn't see the light of day except for when you post about them...
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JT > Mommie Dammit • 10 days ago
Know your enemy (especially if they're crazy).
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Benny S. > JT • 10 days ago
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
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David Walker > Michael Smith • 10 days ago
"If these Christians truly find his views to be outrageous..." Supposedly, the (We're) Not All Like That xns were supposed to do something about this. Instead, they make videos, like "It Gets Better," only their videos congratulate themselves on not finding us icky. That's something, I guess, but wouldn't it be nice if they actually got together and faced these assholes?
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Tor • 10 days ago
I call for a debate as to whether we should throw Christians to the lions or crucify them.
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2amor • 10 days ago
Hey, Ted Shoebat, Michael Brown and Peter LaBarbara, FUCK YOU!!
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KnownDonorDad • 10 days ago
Wonder who Scott Lively would side with?
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Gordon. • 10 days ago
Who does Shoebat think he's fooling ? He's GAYER THAN CHRISTMAS.
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Bruno • 10 days ago
He's gone batshoe.
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PlumDumpling • 10 days ago
Keep safe, JoeMyGod. Crazy people know your name.
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Paula • 10 days ago
Here's what I hear.
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Joe knows who I am. > Paula • 10 days ago
Except, their mouths don't seem to ever run out.
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Paula > Joe knows who I am. • 10 days ago
I should have looked for an endless loop.
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Joe knows who I am. > Paula • 10 days ago
You're forgiven?
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Boy Elvis • 10 days ago
Congrats, you numb fucks, you actually found someone crazier than you are.
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Dreaming Vertebrate • 10 days ago
Oh, … so much Christian love on display.
I feel close to rapture!
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MB • 10 days ago
I am stunned that the Third Vulture of the Crapocalypse has not provided his definitive highly-academic inverted Hobby Lobby Venn diagram on toast for this moral dilemma.
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dcurlee • 10 days ago
Well let's go back to the bible and throw true Christians like Shoebat to the lions. I will rent the lions
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RJ Bone > dcurlee • 10 days ago
Please don't hurt the lions. Their genetic consciousness is still reeling from the last time they were thrown christians...
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CPT_Doom > dcurlee • 10 days ago
Please note, he is not a "real" Christian, at least not according to the nuns and priests from whom I learned the 1 true faith.
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Matthew Delemos > CPT_Doom • 10 days ago
They say that about anyone that makes them look bad.
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David Walker > dcurlee • 10 days ago
That's very generous of you. I can get some quick lime to help the bodies rot.
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BeccaM • 10 days ago
Words fail me.
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Gigi • 10 days ago
What a bunch of asshats.
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DaveMiller135 • 10 days ago
Conservative Christian Brain Trust.
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Johnny Wyeknot > DaveMiller135 • 10 days ago
That's oxymoronic.
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zhera > DaveMiller135 • 10 days ago
Conservative Christian Brain Rust.
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heimaey • 10 days ago
At least they're debating and haven't made up their mind to definitely want to execute us!
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Friday > heimaey • 9 days ago
That's what they call 'Look how merciful we are.'
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bkmn • 10 days ago
What does Ted do besides make himself look like an idiot? I just assumed he must be on disability for his severe paranoia and obsession with teh gayz.
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Friday > bkmn • 9 days ago
Probably gets paid a ton more for each rant than a disability check would be worth. Kind of doubt he ever actually worked in his life, anyway, with his hate-preacher father that's the family business.
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Steven Leahy • 10 days ago
Why kill us, having us around to hate and vilify is so much more fulfilling. Everybody needs an enemy.
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Todd20036 > Steven Leahy • 10 days ago
They don't need us alive.
Poland still contains an awful lot of anti Semitism.
There are maybe 2000 Jews left there, average age of 70. Everyone else left for Israel or were killed in the camps.
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Johnny Wyeknot > Steven Leahy • 10 days ago
And seemingly a money-maker. Or it used to be.
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gaymurcan • 10 days ago
Brought to you by Slander & Homophobia, Inc., a subsidiary of Anti-Everyone Christianism & Co. "Turn your willful ignorance into ca$h!"
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David Walker • 10 days ago
So where is NALT in all this? If they don't all feel this way, why aren't they saying something? Oh. Right. http://www.notalllikethat.org/
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Steven Leahy > David Walker • 10 days ago
Haven't heard anything from them in a couple YEARS
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Necessitas > Steven Leahy • 10 days ago
Silence is consent.
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Todd20036 > David Walker • 10 days ago
The don't care.
NALTS are all about different branches of Christianity getting along.
They could not care less about gay people.
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KQCA • 10 days ago
True colors.
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Merv99 • 10 days ago
Sometimes it's hard to believe how backwards Christianity is that they consider a topic like this worthy of debate. But it's probably worse in Islam, where execution of homosexuals is settled law carried out as a matter of course.
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Todd20036 > Merv99 • 10 days ago
I wouldn't consider Islam worse than Christianity. It's more like America is a democratic republic which guarantees basic rights to all minorities, whereas Middle Eastern countries are theocracies where a group of "holy men" determine what is allowed under their Koran.
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Merv99 > Todd20036 • 10 days ago
Yes, to a large extent Islam is worse because Christianity is being contained by reasonably powerful secularist forces for which there is no equivalent in most Muslim-majority countries.
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Leo Tallant > Merv99 • 10 days ago
...and the saddest part of your comment is that it is completely true!
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G. W. Markle • 9 days ago
We'll take them out and publicly whip and scourge them. We'll parade them through the streets, spitting on them and casting stones at them. We'll make them carry crosses and crown them with thorns, just to mock their sinful ways, and let them know that their suffering because of our love for God and Jesus. We'll take them to a public place, and there, our righteous religious ministers and faithful leaders can nail the feet and hands of theses sinners to the cross. We'll erect a sign over their heads announcing to the world their sin. Glory be to God! The blood of the sacrifice will appease our fears, our anger and our hatred, but only for a short while, so we'll look for more kill, in the name of God.
Persecution is the real sin. The mindset that leads to what is the true depravity of the soul. These so-called Christians share the same mindset as those who crucified Christ. Their mindset seems to be more Anti-Christian than any thing else.
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Azima Khan • 9 days ago
I'm excited for this is in a trashy hobo fight kinda way
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ZnSD • 9 days ago
Shoebat secretly aches to suck a big thick cock.
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Snownova • 9 days ago
This is just... surreal.
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BFlatlander • 10 days ago
I still firmly apply my boot to the neck of any christian that decides to get uppity. They can be taught. They CAN learn. Sometimes it needs to be painful for them, but the lessons have got to be taught. remember, these are brutal uneducated people. Sometimes the only way they learn is by violence,
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Canadian Observer • 10 days ago
Oh please, let them find studio space up here in Canada to have this debate - would love this as a test case for our anti-hate speech laws.
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teedofftaxpayer • 10 days ago
Bring it baby. I'll sit here with my S & W and hope and pray you're the first one through the door.
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Jmdintpa • 10 days ago
oh look ! a sale at Pennys
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Hruntar • 10 days ago
It's the reality, we will always be a persecuted minority, no peace for us. It is a mental torture and depressing having to deal with homophobia.Those who have never experienced homophobia or other form of discrimination will never know what it feels like growing up in such a hateful world.
Heterosexual people who oppose homophobes, don't waste your time anymore, your efforts are worthless. Homophobia will never go away. Just enjoy you were born heterosexual and don't have to deal with these things.
I find it useless trying to fight homophobia. If christians say I must be executed for being homosexual thenI guess it's OK.
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Steven Leahy > Hruntar • 10 days ago
Until the media, government figures, and the courts stop treating homophobic hatred, bigotry, whatever you want to call it as a morally equivalent "difference of opinion", you're right, things will never really change. When society gives respect and credibility to homophobia in any form, it endorses it.
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Johnny Wyeknot > Hruntar • 10 days ago
I get where you are coming from but I haven't given up hope on society at large. I've seen a huuuuge change in my lifetime. But, yes, we will always have our haters.
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GuestStop • 10 days ago
Delusional Terrorists To Shout-Advocate Genocide.
There, fixed it for you.
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Michael • 10 days ago
Two sad false prophets trying to desperately convince themselves that they're not going to hell.
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Necessitas > Michael • 10 days ago
All prophets are false; there is no hell.
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Stev84 > Necessitas • 10 days ago
But the profits are real
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The Professor • 10 days ago
Why aren't these assholes in jail?
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another_steve • 10 days ago
I want to be smothered to death in Brad Pitt's underarm.
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That_Looks_Delicious > another_steve • 10 days ago
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Jimmie Z • 10 days ago
I wish to propose an item for the upcoming Gay Agenda™:
Back in 1970, Frank Kameny and others protested at American Psychiatric Association's convention in San Francisco, interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In the 1974 edition of DSM, references to homosexuality were deleted.
Now it is time to declare religion as a mental disease. Who will be our Frank Kameny? Who will challenge APA to change the DSM?
This is our new Gay Agenda™!
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Jimmie Z > Jimmie Z • 10 days ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnost...
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rasungod0 • 8 days ago
When is the debate?
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Christopher Morris • 8 days ago
I keep asking my Christian friends for the passagees in the Bible where Jesus ever spoke against the homosexuals or same sex marriage and yet not one can provide it for me. Funny how that works. As a Pagan we love everyone and hate everyone on their own merits.
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Jim Jones • 8 days ago
All you need to know:
Google "lyings of a woman"
Google (centurion pais)
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Mitchell S. Gilbert • 8 days ago
As their power and influences wanes, some Christian extremists have engaging in armageddon type war for the heart and soul of America. The Axis of Hate: Donald Trump, Ted Nugent, Ted Cruz http://wp.me/p1Jt6N-1WU
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Martin Caballero • 8 days ago
Christian extremism is Islamic extremism in larval stage.
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Dan Francis • 9 days ago
Fuck you and fuck your genocidal imaginary friend.
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Bobbie Jo Justice • 9 days ago
WWJD - who would jesus destroy?
Now let's all hold hands and sing, "and they will know we are christians by our love, by our love. Yes, they will know we are christians by our love".
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Mickey Bitsko • 9 days ago
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andrea • 9 days ago
Vicious animals gather to discuss how vicious they should allow themselves to be.
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Jean-Marc in Canada • 9 days ago
At least, and this is not a compliment by far, Theo is honest about his evil and venal nature.....as opposed to the very passive/aggressive bullshit being spouted by all the other Christers. Fact of the matter is boys, Theodore Batshitcrazy is just saying what you're all thinking. A pox on all your houses, you vile, unclean creatures.
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Dont.Back.Down. • 9 days ago
Shoebat has YouTube videos calling for gays to be killed. He wishes it was legal do just that. Brown on the other hand is passive/aggressive and just wants to shame gays into committing suicide.
I'm calling for Loretta Lynch to investigate these Stochastic Terrorists. I'm also calling for PayPal to revoke their accounts. AND I'm also calling for FB and Twitter
to monitor these two and many more like them.
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Falconlights • 9 days ago
Shoebat has made the unpardonable faux pas of saying what so many Christianist activists are thinking but not saying. The sheer chutzpah of these people is unbelievable--and they certainly are getting bolder. I see more and more comments on various articles mentioning that according to their bible we are worthy of death. Not an outright call for our murders, but I do look to see those as well. What the hell is WRONG with these people that they would even take it into their heads to debate the genocide of an entire people?!
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JCF • 9 days ago
Make.It.STOP!!!! }-0
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Tammy Rainey • 10 days ago
I have no use for Brown but he is a skilled debater and i fully expect him to drink Shobat's milkshake.
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johncAtl > Tammy Rainey • 10 days ago
That's a very disturbing visual.
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BFlatlander • 10 days ago
My sincerest prayer is that they are made martyrs for their cause. It is only through the ultimate sacrifice that their message will be heard. It is only through Mr. Shoeblats death that we will hear God's message. Please join me in prayer that Mr. Shoeblat and the others in attendance will meet eternity, and that their message will be understood by other Christians.
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Gerry Fisher • 10 days ago
Yay?!
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fuzzybits • 10 days ago
Their shows? You mean their youtube channels?
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Blake • 9 days ago
What about ALL gentile Palestinians being massacred by impostor European zionist "jews"for 67 years whether.
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