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Westboro Baptist Pickets At Scalia’s Funeral
February 20, 2016 Hate Groups, Religion
This morning members of Westboro Baptist are picketing outside the funeral of Antonin Scalia, who “well knows and understands the folly and fatality of that Catholic Monster he spent his life time nourishing and worshipping.” Because, presumably, Scalia is now in hell with billions of other Catholics.
Today’s protest is rather notable in light of the Supreme Court’s landmark 2011 ruling in Snyder V Phelps which affirmed the right of Westboro to picket funerals even if such protests are meant to “intentionally inflict emotional distress” upon the mourners. Scalia sided with the 8-1 majority in the case, with only Justice Samuel Alito dissenting.
The suit was brought by the family of a US Marine killed in Iraq, Matthew Snyder, whose 2006 funeral was picketed by Westboro members bearing signs that read “Semper Fi Fags” and “Thank God For Dead Fag Troops.” Snyder was not believed to have been gay.
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WebSlinger • 6 days ago
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Mihangel apYrs > WebSlinger • 6 days ago
wrong location
his roomies are Luke and Stan
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Phillip in L.A. > Mihangel apYrs • 6 days ago
Saddam and ... Satan!
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Mihangel apYrs > Phillip in L.A. • 5 days ago
Luke = Lucifer
Stan = Satan
But they would all object to this guy
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cleos_mom > Phillip in L.A. • 6 days ago
Larry, Curly & Moe
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Todd20036 > cleos_mom • 6 days ago
Don't diss the Stooges.
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RickCabral > Todd20036 • 6 days ago
Yeah. The stooges are a lot more intellectually refined, y'all.
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cleos_mom > Todd20036 • 5 days ago
Oy, what was I thinking!
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Phillip in L.A. > cleos_mom • 6 days ago
I was hoping maybe they'd be in Heaven....
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Phillip in L.A. > Christina Jelinek • 5 days ago
Flagged Sun. 21 Feb 2016 10:55 am
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J Ascher > WebSlinger • 6 days ago
He's been billeted to the SM Barracks.
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bryan • 6 days ago
I admire their ability to hold more than one hate sign at a time. It helps them look a bit crazier. But beyond that, they are attacking one of their own... Scalia was not far removed from Fred Phelps.
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Sam_Handwich > bryan • 6 days ago
i'm convinced it's nothing more than performance art
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clay > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
but then, you never lived in Topeka.
Their hate is real, and often aimed at their own children.
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Judas Peckerwood > clay • 6 days ago
"but then, you never lived in Topeka."
A-fucking-men!
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cleos_mom > clay • 6 days ago
Though oddly enough, they asked the director of "Fall From Grace" if he'd like them to picket the sneak preview in Kansas City KS. Presumably for free publicity.
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Duane Dimitrov > clay • 6 days ago
No one should live in Topeka.
If we want to sort our politics out in America, we needs to cordon off the "Heartland" and burn it--and its inhabitants--to the ground.
It's a modest proposal of mine.
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D. J. > Duane Dimitrov • 5 days ago
Brownback is taking care of that for you...
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Duane Dimitrov > D. J. • 5 days ago
Thank goodness.
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Rambie > clay • 6 days ago
Utah is bad enough.
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Dramphooey > bryan • 6 days ago
Having more signs than sign holders is not a sign of a growing or healthy movement. Of course it never was.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Dramphooey • 6 days ago
The only movement there is one of the bowel variety.
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RickCabral > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
Now you're talking!
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Rambie > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
Only their Depends knows for sure.
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Marky > Dramphooey • 6 days ago
Yeah, their sign to freak ratio is a little off these days.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > bryan • 6 days ago
They practice their sign juggling with chainsaws.
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Paula > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
I would think that is an activity best preformed outdoors.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Paula • 6 days ago
OK... with a little fire, perhaps?
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David Walker > Paula • 6 days ago
Not if you're good, apparently.
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Phillip in L.A. > Paula • 6 days ago
Yes--there was a guy at the Venice beach boardwalk who used to juggle chainsaws, inter alia. Maybe he's still there?
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Johnny Wyeknot > Phillip in L.A. • 6 days ago
Bits of him maybe
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PLAINTOM > Johnny Wyeknot • 6 days ago
And there he is and there he is...
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RW > Phillip in L.A. • 5 days ago
I heard he was 'armless. Sorry- old joke.
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Gustav2 > bryan • 6 days ago
It is to help to get them aloft in the Rapture.
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clay > Gustav2 • 6 days ago
ahhh, little butterflies of hate.
Pull!
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JW Swift > clay • 6 days ago
Not that I approve of the implication of violence, bit SNORT! (Guffaw, chuckle, chuckle!)
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PLAINTOM > Gustav2 • 6 days ago
I encourage ALL right wing Christians to try this at home.
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Johnny Wyeknot > bryan • 6 days ago
I just wish it were a windy day here.
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DaveMiller135 > Johnny Wyeknot • 6 days ago
Sister Bertrille knows just how you mean.
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2karmanot > DaveMiller135 • 6 days ago
True that, but Sister Five Wounds really nailed it.
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Rambie > bryan • 6 days ago
True, but for once I'm not upset they're protesting at a funeral.
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Joann Prinzivalli > bryan • 5 days ago
The Phelps clan is of the traditional Christianist anti-papist variety - so for them, Catholics and LGBT folks are equally damned. As it is, I am sure that most of these predestinarian fundie types are sure that they are hellbound themselves. Their thinking is typified by the published sermmon from colonial times that I had to read in high school called "Sinners in the Hands of a Angry God." I *had* to read this drivel - you can read it if you want: http://www.jonathan-edwards.or...
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Steve Teeter > bryan • 6 days ago
They don't care. They just attack.
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olandp > bryan • 6 days ago
Nope, Fred taught that Catholics were Satan worshipers.
Only slightly more extreme than mainstream Southern Baptist teachings.
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Dan Flathers > bryan • 6 days ago
Well, it's obvious that you are far-removed from reality -- and much closer to the fanaticism and intellectual bankruptcy of the Phelps than you realize.
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Reality.Bites > Dan Flathers • 6 days ago
The best thing about both of them is that they're dead.
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DaddyRay • 6 days ago
Hey Christians - remember when you wouldn't speak out against these nut jobs when they were picketing our events
Karma has come knocking
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GayOldLady > DaddyRay • 6 days ago
I was at a pride march over 20 years ago and these guys were there with their "god hates fags" and "you're going to hell" signs. They taunted us a bit as we walked past them but everyone managed to ignore them because ignoring them is the only way to get even. They want attention and the less they get the better off everyone else is.
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Johnny Wyeknot > GayOldLady • 6 days ago
I have heard that their financial model is to stir people into assaulting them and then they sue for damages. You made the right choice.
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David Walker > Johnny Wyeknot • 6 days ago
You heard correctly. And because people have finally caught on, even with WBC trying to instigate fights, people have not engaged and it's made a dent in WBC's travels.
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Houndentenor > David Walker • 6 days ago
These days they announce protests far more often than they actually show up.
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David Walker > Houndentenor • 6 days ago
Yes, and this had a bad effect on LGBT and other groups who used to make money from the WBC's appearances. It had been a lottery...how long would they stay? Raised a fair amount of money until WBC figured out what was going on.
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Houndentenor > Johnny Wyeknot • 6 days ago
That is indeed their financial model. Fred Phelps was a lawyer and several other family members went to law school to fight these court cases. If they had no one to sue, they'd all be broke now. So please, as tempting as it is, do not engage them and do not let them provoke you to violence.
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NancyP > Houndentenor • 6 days ago
Fred was disbarred for ethics violations in Kansas.
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Silver Badger > NancyP • 6 days ago
It matters not. Fred has gone on to his just reward.
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John Henry > Silver Badger • 6 days ago
Wormfest.
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Grumpy old Man > GayOldLady • 6 days ago
They were scheduled to picket in Seattle a few years ago so a fund-raising effort started with donations based on how many hours/minutes they protested. This was pretty heavily pushed by the media and quite a crowd gathered to see how much money could be raised for LGBTQ issues. They canceled their visit - many people donated anyway.
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Ty Nolan > GayOldLady • 6 days ago
I was slated to speak at the Millennial March in D.C. and brought the SigO. He saw the WBC group picketing and insisted we hold hands and skip past them. That's been the only time we've skipped together in the past 20 years of our relationship.
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madknits > Ty Nolan • 6 days ago
My boyfriend and I were in the French Quarter on Mardi Gras Day when the Crazy Christers went by. We got into a clinch and started making out like crazy. We could hear their comments as they walked by. Icing on the cake: we're an interracial couple. That and our kissing really fried their asses.
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GayOldLady > Ty Nolan • 6 days ago
LOL!!! I can picture that!!!
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Goodboy > GayOldLady • 6 days ago
I guess it's easier to picket in safe zones since they've been getting their asses kicked by kids lately.
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David Walker > Goodboy • 6 days ago
Let's hear it for the kids!
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NancyP > GayOldLady • 6 days ago
No, ignoring them is not the ONLY way to get even. Using them as a fundraiser is a fine tactic, particularly if one has a counter protester with a sign "$X pledged to Local Gay Organization per minute that the Phelps picket".
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JCF > DaddyRay • 6 days ago
FYI, the first picket job of these sick fucks I really remember, was Matt Shepherd's funeral...at an Episcopal church.
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ben > DaddyRay • 6 days ago
I think they also protested Falwell's funeral.
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David Walker > ben • 6 days ago
Just did the google but couldn't find that they actually did. Lots of reports on their "intention" to picket it, but nothing about and no pictures of the real deal. Not to say it didn't happen...just that I didn't find anything. How nice it would have been....
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KCMC > DaddyRay • 4 days ago
Events. Early 90's flashback, they seemed to not miss a single gay man's funeral here in KC.
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BobSF_94117 > DaddyRay • 6 days ago
More like Karma-lite.
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Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
:-D
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MB > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
Good one Sam !!
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KnownDonorDad > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
OOOOOOOOH!
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William > KnownDonorDad • 6 days ago
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
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NancyP > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
You mean "Stay classy, felon ADULTERER!"
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Prion • 6 days ago
..,
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Ritorna Vincitor • 6 days ago
Hell is actually different for each individual. For example, Hell for orchestral conductors is an orchestra pit occupied by nothing but banjo and accordion players.
Hell for Episcopalians is a restaurant with rude demon waiters and no salad forks.
For Scalia Hell is a perpetual 5/4 split in which he is always on the minority side. And no dissenting opinions may be delivered from the bench, but must instead be written in invisible ink which, no matter what he tries, remains invisible for all eternity.
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Beagle > Ritorna Vincitor • 6 days ago
And each one plays in a different key.
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NancyP > Ritorna Vincitor • 6 days ago
One of my favorites. Not on my work office door, which has science Far Sides.
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joe ho • 6 days ago
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Prion • 6 days ago
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David Walker • 6 days ago
I love it. Westboro's paying their respects the one way they know how. Haters saying "ta" to a fellow hater. It's just fucking perfect.
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TheManicMechanic • 6 days ago
These are your shit stains, Scalia. How do they smell now?
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DaveMiller135 • 6 days ago
You're nobody 'til somebody pickets you.
You're nobody 'til somebody dares.....
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sherman • 6 days ago
Million Dollar Question - How can anyone with decency or integrity support today's Republicon party? --
Edit: Someone pointed out that Muslim funerals are not held in mosques.
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sherman > sherman • 6 days ago
PS - Trump isn't at the funeral either.
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Reality.Bites > sherman • 6 days ago
They wouldn't let him give the eulogy, so he's boycotting it.
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JW Swift > Reality.Bites • 6 days ago
Yup, the spotlight is on someone else, so there's nothing that would feed his ego.
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cleos_mom > JW Swift • 6 days ago
By that standard, Trump should never attend either a wedding or a funeral.
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olandp > cleos_mom • 6 days ago
He only attends his own weddings, which keeps him so busy that he can't make it to any others.
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David Walker > sherman • 6 days ago
One of the republican'ts mantras: Do as I say, not as I do.
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Houndentenor > sherman • 6 days ago
Why would Obama go to Scalia's funeral. Does the Scalia family even want him there? This is just idiots looking for something to be mad about.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Houndentenor • 6 days ago
Obama went to the lying in state. Biden is at the funeral... part of a Veep's job description.
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Houndentenor > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
He's been far nicer to Scalia than Scalia ever was to him.
I like to reverse things to see if I'm being fair. If Scalia weren't coming to (FSM forbid) Obama's funeral, would I be offended? No.
So I really don't see that this is a problem. It's just something for right-wingers to smear the president with.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Houndentenor • 6 days ago
Yes... they'd find a way to smear him if he did go.
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Jay Sheckley > Houndentenor • 6 days ago
Yep. Obama IS nicer to to Scalia than Scalia was to him or any prez. Scalia was the ultimate egotist.
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MB > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
Also Joe is a Catholic. Our VP has a lot of class and humility.
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gewaite > MB • 5 days ago
Except for the plagiarism thing...
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Ty Nolan > Houndentenor • 6 days ago
This was actually given as one of the reasons he didn't attend by a NPR pundit, coupled with the apparently "official" response that Biden has a "smaller security footprint" than Obama.
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Phillip in L.A. > Ty Nolan • 6 days ago
We just experienced Obama's "security footprint" here in my neighborhood last week: streets barricaded for blocks around; no standing/stopping in a three-four block radius; literally hundreds of police, secret service, US marshals; we were actually trapped in our building because scores of motorcycle police parked their bikes in formation blocking our driveways.
The footprint is hyoooooooj.
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J Ascher > Phillip in L.A. • 6 days ago
When the President visited downtown Austin a couple of times, I couldn't leave work to go home for at least an hour after the event was done.
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Phillip in L.A. > J Ascher • 6 days ago
dang meddling Obama!
(Laughter.)
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zhera > sherman • 6 days ago
Yeah, because muslims get to be SCOTUS judges like, all the time!
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GuestStop > sherman • 6 days ago
It helps to have the ability to apply those selectively.
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NYCGUY • 6 days ago
but...but..but...but...Scalia was on their side.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > NYCGUY • 6 days ago
The irony totally escapes them.
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DaddyRay > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
I would like to see them do that
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Steven Leahy • 6 days ago
Seems like the Westboro group are becoming fewer and fewer with each "protest".
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Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
lol..........
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William > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
I always thought there was something alien about her.
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William > William • 6 days ago
Either that, or this, which is closer to a Peep.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > William • 6 days ago
Loved the Kids in the Hall.
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GanymedeRenard > William • 6 days ago
Goodness gracious! Is that Cruz in drag?
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William > GanymedeRenard • 6 days ago
Scary, there is a resemblance. It must be in the Canadian DNA.
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paganguy > William • 5 days ago
It's the smirk.
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kelven > William • 6 days ago
"Scarred for life… that's what they said…."
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Paige Turner > William • 6 days ago
That reminds me - I need a new salad bowl
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William > Paige Turner • 6 days ago
I bet you're having a craving for avocado as well.
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Paige Turner > William • 5 days ago
Funny you should mention that. I do. I have no idea why.
Oh, hang on
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
I hadn't thought of it before, but... spot on.
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Prion • 6 days ago
.,.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Prion • 6 days ago
Too bad it's a different kind of cupidity that animates the right wingnuts.
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Stogiebear • 6 days ago
My only disappointment with the Westboro freaks being there to protest his funeral is that there aren't thousands of them.
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GuestMan > Stogiebear • 6 days ago
Thousands of funerals.
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Princess Lardass • 6 days ago
Another group of desperate attention whores. That reminds me. Anyone know how Dr. James D. Manning is doing?
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Silver Badger > Princess Lardass • 6 days ago
Unfortunately, Dr. James D. Manning is not doing well. He is suffering from delusions of adequacy, sanity and is basically just deluded. He did get a short stay on the auction, which gives a bit more time to the good guys who have raised over $300,000.00 so far.
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Jay Sheckley > Princess Lardass • 6 days ago
About his "Attorney's": Google says Manning's attorney's office is permanently closed.
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TampaZeke • 6 days ago
This is the first funeral in their decades long career of picketing that I don't give a shit.
You live by the hate, you die by the hate.
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TJay229 • 6 days ago
Eh, the one time I'm not mad at them.
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bambinoitaliano • 6 days ago
Funny how they did not protest the funeral of that blue tarp man. Cannot imagine what would the result be pitting one nut against the other :P
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geoffalnutt • 6 days ago
Notice that they're often chased away from LGBT events/occasions, but not so here. Begs a question, perhaps. I guess Scalia doesn't inspire a 'protective' outpouring.
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David Walker > geoffalnutt • 6 days ago
Scalia said it's OK.
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Lazycrockett • 6 days ago
So according to these wacko's heaven has like what 50 people in it?
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Mark > Lazycrockett • 6 days ago
49.
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Soren456 > Lazycrockett • 6 days ago
Good old American anti-Catholic bigotry did not die with the 1960 Presidential election.
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BobSF_94117 > Soren456 • 6 days ago
The Whore of Babylon has had six seats on the Supreme Court and Westboro is still whining about gays???
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > BobSF_94117 • 6 days ago
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Miji > BobSF_94117 • 6 days ago
Yes. Funny how as much as many of these right wing nutters hate Catholicism, they seem to only trust Catholic judges on the SC with abortion.
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David Walker > BobSF_94117 • 6 days ago
Yes, because
1) We're still here.
2) WBC sees the RCC as the Whore of Babylon, so the more RCCs sitting at the bench, the more god hates the USA.
3) Or something..
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cleos_mom > Soren456 • 6 days ago
But now it's reversed in GOPland: not letting clergy "help" a wannabe elected official is a minus.
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madknits > Lazycrockett • 6 days ago
And founder Fred Phelps isn't one of them, since he was turned out and repudiated before he died.
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Blake Jordan • 6 days ago
Send them to protest Daesh...
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GuestStop > Blake Jordan • 6 days ago
Toss them from the plane without parachutes. God will seem them safely to their targets.
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Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
Alito's dissent in Snyder missed the mark constitutionally, but is memorable..
"Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case.".... "In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner."
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joe ho > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
So Alito hasn't read the Bible? It overflows with vicious verbal assault against outsiders. Jesus himself threatens people with hell more often than any other character.
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Gustav2 > joe ho • 6 days ago
Bible study is more of a Protestant thing.
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clay > Gustav2 • 6 days ago
The Catholics who seem to do it are the nuns and commies, or is that redundant?
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David Walker > clay • 6 days ago
I had a colleague who didn't mind people being anti-catholic (she was RCC) but who got into a rage when Pope Ratzinger and others started in on the nuns who were trying to do good.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > David Walker • 6 days ago
I remember when the Ratz went after the good nuns. That seems like long ago and far away. The new guy doesn't make any noises in that direction... and if he does, he'll say the opposite the next day. Not one for consistency, that Franciscus.
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David Walker > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
Francissy?
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gewaite > David Walker • 5 days ago
The nuns a
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Mute Point > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
It pains me to acknowledge that I agree with Alito on anything, but I don't believe his interpretation was unconstitutional even. The Constitution is open to interpretation, and the other 8 justices interpreted it more liberally. There is no reason that the U.S. Constitution has to allow hate speech any more so than it allows slander or death threats. As the U.S. continues to balkanize into religious hate groups of one strain or another, anti-hate speech laws may merit reconsideration, per the models of European countries. I would gladly have seen both Scalia AND Westboro prosecuted for hate speech.
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another_steve > Mute Point • 6 days ago
It's precisely the most heinous, most unpopular speech that requires and merits the strictest legal protections.
Anyone with an interest in free speech and the protection of minority views should be able to grok that.
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > another_steve • 6 days ago
Advanced democracies with hate speech laws have a strong judicial oversight system and those laws are not abused. In a country like the US, with a very partisan judiciary, there is a significant risk of political interference.
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another_steve > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • 6 days ago
My telling you which words you may not utter -- including the forbidding of words that do not overtly call the listener to violence ("faggots are bad people") -- is an abuse of the highest order. (The "yelling 'Fire' in a theater" prohibition is justified because it's an incitement to panic that can cause immediate harm to others.)
Other than government legally "ordering" us what to think, I can't imagine a larger abuse of government power than government banning hateful speech where there is no overt call to violence.
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Shut Your Mouth > another_steve • 6 days ago
I don't agree that there are no limits on 'free speech'. And more imporantly, neither does the Supreme Court. And most importantly, the Constitution has never been construed to allow an absolute right to 'free speech', Just as it was not always interpreted to allow Marriage Equality, social conditions can evolve such that stricter limits on hate speech (Holocaust Denials, anyone?) could be found acceptable. I'm already to that point.
It's interesting how people are so willing to follow Euro models on health care or taxation, but somehow the Euro approach to dealing with hate speech is anathema to American values, and religiously-protected hate speech is sacred beyond all questioning.
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another_steve > Shut Your Mouth • 6 days ago
History will shame those countries that have put limits on unpopular speech in which there is no overt call to violence. To the United States' credit, it has no such laws -- and I hope to never see them here during my lifetime.
I remind you that the ACLU in "Skokie" went to court to defend the right of neo-Nazis to parade and speak. I assume you find the ACLU's action there repugnant.
Speech where there is an overt call to violence -- "Let's go now and kill some fags" or "Find a Muslim and let him know what we think of their religion!" -- should not be protected. Just as yelling "Fire!" in a theater should not be. In both instances, the public's safety is directly jeopardized. One of government's primary purposes is to protect the public safety.
Me calling Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham theofascist Nazi thugs, however -- and they calling me a faggot deserving of eternal damnation -- does not constitute a threat to the public safety.
Speech -- however abhorrent or unpopular -- where there is no overt call to violence, does not constitute a threat to the public safety.
In a free and open democracy, both the theofascists' and my speech must be protected.
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Sam_Handwich > Mute Point • 6 days ago
I think Justice Stevens said he would have joined Alito,....but he had retired by then
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Stev84 > Mute Point • 6 days ago
The US already has a giant loophole in free speech laws. It's called "obscenity". And like religious freedom it's very vague. Under so-called community standards, it can vary from place to place and if some people somewhere find something obscene enough it could be banned. Given the country's puritanical attitudes, it's of course usually used against sex and nudity.
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Reality.Bites > Mute Point • 6 days ago
I think that even if hate speech is acceptable under your constitution it does not follow that all speech is permissible under all circumstances. What Westboro does at funerals is not exercising free speech. It's harassment, pure and simple. Acceptable on their website. Acceptable at a protest outside a legislature or a courthouse. Not at the funeral of a private citizen who they decided to target.
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unsavedheathen > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
Well, in defense of Alito, in his mind calling someone a homosexual is the absolute worst thing one human being can say about another.
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Phillip in L.A. > unsavedheathen • 6 days ago
Agree--see my comment to San upstream
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Phillip in L.A. > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
Wonder if Alito, J., would have ruled this way if the deceased had been out and proud?
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Johnny Wyeknot > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
Thanks for the quote. The law is no place for sentimentality, which we got a lot of in the federal court opinions on marriage equality.
Edit: I didn't used to think this when I gleefully read some of the early marriage equality opinions. But a great legal scholar friend of mine actually changed my mind on this issue and I'm pretty sure he is right.
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Gerry Fisher > Johnny Wyeknot • 6 days ago
I'd agree with you about the majority opinion of Obergefell. Correct decision, but a very poorly argued, sentimental decision. I think the MA Goodrich decision was quite well reasoned.
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Phillip in L.A. > Gerry Fisher • 6 days ago
Agree. I think the explanation may lie partly in the fact that a majority of the Supremes do not support the Warren Court's equal protection analysis-scheme (perhaps justifiedly). But substantive due process? ¡Ay-yay-yay!
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Phillip in L.A. > Johnny Wyeknot • 6 days ago
FSM thank you both! I totally agree on this (and with Gerry Fisher below). Unfortunately, this is a very unpopular opinion right now; 99%+ don't actually read Supreme Court opinions
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another_steve > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
"Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case.".... "In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner."
I always find it useful when evaluating the different legal takes on free speech to play a little mind game with myself and ask myself the "inconvenient" question:
What if suddenly the whole United States consisted of homophobic judges and of homophobic bakers who refused to bake wedding cakes for same-sex couples? What if I wanted to protest in front of such a bakery?
Would I want the baker -- the homophobic petitioner -- to be able to rely on a legal argument to suppress my speech under the rationale: "...it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner"?
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Gerry Fisher > another_steve • 6 days ago
Ummm, no. It would be more like you picketing the funeral of the homophobic baker's wife or husband or child. Plus, the petitioner was not asking that the statements not be made; they asked that the statements be made 100 yards away from the funeral (or some such).
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another_steve > Gerry Fisher • 6 days ago
Peaceful (even when morally abhorrent) picketing is analogous to speech. In "Skokie," the ACLU went to court to defend the right of neo-Nazis to parade with banners and the like, and to make their message heard.
The ACLU recognized that the neo-Nazis' parade --abhorrent as it was -- was a form of speech.
What Westboro does is a form of speech, and should be protected.
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Capritaur • 6 days ago
There is nobody's funeral WBC wouldn't picket, as long as that person is notable enough to get them attention. They will likely picket the funeral of Phyllis Schlafly, Billy Graham, and Pat Robertson because of they didn't adhere to some doctrine of their "religion" in some way.
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Robert Conner • 6 days ago
LOL. The Westboro Batshits versus the Magic Cracker Church. Priceless.
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j.martindale • 6 days ago
More signs! You can't get into heaven without more signs!
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teeveedub • 6 days ago
Hell is apparently going to be more overcrowded than a NYC subway car during morning rush hour.
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Silver Badger • 6 days ago
We should probably thank the Westboro Baptists for showing the world the true face of christionist fundamentalism.
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wayne > Silver Badger • 6 days ago
I really think no group has changed public opinion for the better more than the WBC.
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5moreminutes*imtired • 6 days ago
Well shit. If Scalia isn't bigot enough for them... I think they may have jumped the shark here.
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Jim E. • 6 days ago
Today the soul of Justice Antonin Scalia was committed to the everlasting arms of our savior by a 5-4 decision.
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Home To Roost • 6 days ago
Westboro Baptist condemning homosexuals and Catholics at Scalia's funeral is a poetry beyond all measure. "...rather refreshing, actually!", I'd say.
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Dreaming Vertebrate • 6 days ago
The Westboro freaks are occasionally "useful idiots". At least good for a chuckle. So terribly sad they decided to picket Scalia's funeral. {snicker}
TERRIBLE!! and SAD!!!!
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Marides48 • 6 days ago
When making funeral arrangements, Don't forget the flowers & call Westboro Baptists.
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Glkanter • 5 days ago
The Scalia family should welcome the "counseling" being offered by the protesters.
Just like the women going for abortions appreciate the "counseling" Scalia's Supreme Court forces them to endure by protesters.
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Matthew Delemos • 6 days ago
All the infighting is so delicious!
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MattPS • 6 days ago
There's something really strange about the fact that they only seem to be out in full force (i.e., all six of them) for FUNERALS. I'd think that if somebody was your enemy, you'd be at home having a quiet celebration sipping bubbly when he or she died, instead of going to the trouble of spending a lot of dough on travel expenses. After all, that person wouldn't even be a part of your life anymore. What's the point of wasting time and money protesting outside of a funeral??
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pickypecker > MattPS • 6 days ago
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Phillip in L.A. > pickypecker • 6 days ago
Exactly. Schnauzer-boy loudly scratches his nails on the carpet to the same effect!
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Gerry Fisher • 6 days ago
Is there anybody unworthy of a Westboro protest other than current Westboro church members? At this point, I'd bet they'd even consider picketing themselves.
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Lazycrockett • 6 days ago
I will say all these priests/clergy people at his funeral look like pedophiles.
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GuestStop • 6 days ago
They look like demented pixies. Someone get the bug spray...after the funeral.
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Ninja0980 • 6 days ago
I don't get why they are protesting considering Scalia agreed with them.
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stevenj > Ninja0980 • 6 days ago
They are publicity whores not operating on all thrusters.
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David Walker > Ninja0980 • 6 days ago
You don't need a reason when Truth is on your side.
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JW Swift > David Walker • 6 days ago
Don't forget the trademark symbol.
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freehit > JW Swift • 6 days ago
Hold the Alt. key plus 0153 (from the number pad, not the ones along the top). ™
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Gerry Fisher > Ninja0980 • 6 days ago
"We protest CUZ!!!'
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KnownDonorDad > Ninja0980 • 6 days ago
The WBC is rabidly anti-Catholic, among other things.
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KQCA • 6 days ago
That's class. Leave it to the Baptists.
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2016A • 6 days ago
They are still a "thing"? Quit giving them media coverage and they will go away.
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BearEyes • 6 days ago
another carnival sideshow.
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Jake • 6 days ago
Who?
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zhera • 6 days ago
Isn't it ironic, dontcha think.
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ExGayTherapyKills • 6 days ago
He is in hell with the pedophile Catholic priest where he and other Catholics belong for allowing priest to rape and abuse their children, even today.
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TexasBoy • 6 days ago
No doubt, if there is an afterlife, Scalia is rejoicing at their right to protest and inflict pain upon his family.
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KnownDonorDad • 6 days ago
I'm surprised they showed up. I was part of a blocks-long "human wall" to shield mourners from the WBC a few years ago, and after much bluster they were nowhere to be found. Met some very good folks that day, some of whom I'm still in touch with.
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MB • 6 days ago
The organ music (and the performance of said music) at Scalia's funeral was grotesque and pathetic. For the recessional they co-opt our Anglican "I vow to thee my Country" - and change the words ???
- not to mention the 100 priests necessary to send the old fuck off to glory ??
THIS is, "I vow to thee, my country"
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Sam_Handwich > MB • 6 days ago
i liked the Duruflé fugue at the end
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MB > Sam_Handwich • 6 days ago
Too bad Jeremy Filsell was not at the organ. The music performance would have been stellar.
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Natty Enquirer • 6 days ago
So much for ecumenism.
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Houndentenor • 6 days ago
If there were an afterlife, Scalia would be laughing right now.
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DaddyRay • 6 days ago
OT: sort of
I wonder if Scalia was any other religion other than Catholic we would be seeing wall to wall coverage of the funeral on Cable News
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bryan > DaddyRay • 6 days ago
I felt sick when I saw on CNN, side by side photos of Harper Lee and Scalia, with the words 'legends' written underneath. The reverential coverage of Scalia is nauseating.
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GC > bryan • 6 days ago
Yeah, the late Justice Whatisname is best forgotten, except as a cautionary footnote in history books.
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stuckinthewoods > GC • 6 days ago
In the below link it is argued that Scalia will be remembered for his snappy quotes - but will have no lasting impact. His "originalism" and "textualism" influenced "admirers off the court, not adherents on the bench."
http://theconversation.com/jus...
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Stev84 > bryan • 6 days ago
The same thing happened with Jerry Falwell and Jesse Helms. Suddenly "don't say anything bad about the dead" turns into "we need to glorify and praise them all the time"
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zhera > bryan • 6 days ago
Sacrilege!
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Lazycrockett > bryan • 6 days ago
Well everyone has to be there to cover the primaries and caucus so the media may as well make a day of it.
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Gustav2 • 6 days ago
All Roman Carholics are going to hell! Finally, Westboro and I are in agreement.
/snark
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BobSF_94117 > Gustav2 • 6 days ago
They're too chicken to say it outright, though, it appears.
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David Walker > BobSF_94117 • 6 days ago
It costs a lot to make and plasticize those signs and WBC just doesn't have the bucks they had when Fred was around.
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Bob M • 5 days ago
Interesting use of the American flag... according to the Flag Code (yes there is such a thing) from Section 8 - respect for the flag: The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.: he flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery.
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dcurlee • 5 days ago
They need mental evaluations. Trust me I'm no fan of Scalia but there is respect that should be shown for the dead
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3-Star • 5 days ago
I wonder how many showed up? I see three in the picture. Soon it will be ZERO
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Gina King • 5 days ago
Yet, not a single counter protester? Not one stood up for against the haters? wow...says a LOT that does.
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Bj Lincoln • 5 days ago
I hope he is pissed because he can't do anything about it now and doesn't have the last word on anything anymore. Ha Ha Ha Ha ! He deserves it.
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David Gervais • 6 days ago
Justice Scalia was not our friend, but (he) his family does not deserve the Westboro treatment.
There has to be some way of controlling them.
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RickCabral • 6 days ago
The ones really making here are the Westboro paper goods dealers and sign makers. These fuckers use a
LOT of signs and placards.
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JCF • 6 days ago
STOP making me feel sympathy for the Popoids, you WBC mofos!
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MBear • 6 days ago
good
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UPDATE: Ali Forney Center’s Donation Campaign To Buy Harlem Hate Church Tops $75K In First 48 Hours
January 31, 2016 Activism, JMG Community
AMAZING! On Thursday we learned that Harlem’s infamous “Jesus Would Stone Homos” hate church will be placed to public auction on February 24th due to over $1M in unpaid debts. Late Friday afternoon the Ali Forney Center, which serves homeless LGBT youths, announced a campaign to buy the building and the donation drive has already rocketed above $75,000. AFC founder Carl Siciliano tells us that a huge chunk of the donations have come from the JMG community. Let’s keep that thermometer rising!38percent From the campaign page:
AFC, whose Harlem based programs provide 50,000 meals a year for homeless LGBT youth and offers interventions such as medical and mental health care, case management, educational and career services, plant to utilize the Atlah site to provide housing to LGBT youths. AFC also plans to launch a catering business run and operated by its clients.
AFC hopes to raise at least $200K through an initial public fundraising effort, and will seek to leverage those funds to obtain additional support from local government, major donors and foundations. If the Ali Forney Center is not able to obtain the building, it commits to utilize any funds raised to increase its housing and vocational services for homeless LGBT youth in another site.
It’s hoped that we’ll see another big spike in donations tomorrow as people return to their offices and share the campaign with co-workers. AFC is also pushing to get the campaign into the national press. That ATLAH has been classified a hate group by the SPLC should help.
IMPORTANT: “Donations can also be made through Paypal. To do so, enter mramos@aliforneycenter.org as the payee address. Enter “Harlem No Hate” under instructions so that we may track donations on this page. “
RELATED: Yesterday ATLAH Pastor James David Manning wailed on Twitter that “sodomites are trying to silence me!” YES. Let’s do that.
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Necessitas • a month ago
Pastor Manning, we're not trying, we're succeeding! If God loves you so much, why are you a million in debt and losing your hate church?
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WebSlinger > Necessitas • a month ago
Dear Paster Manning and his followers of hate:
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CPT_Doom > Necessitas • a month ago
Besides, we're not silencing him, just trying to take away his current billboard. He will still be able to speak his mind the same as any other American, by trolling sites like this :-).
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Alex in Idaho > CPT_Doom • a month ago
There's always the subway...
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JT > Alex in Idaho • a month ago
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Jay Sheckley > CPT_Doom • 25 days ago
That sign (which has no permit) advocates murdering us! Inciting violence is a crime. If Manning were sane, bible reading would compel him to DONATE too. Here's my newest comment on the AFC fundraiser thermometer page + Facebook:
Jay Sheckley · Writer/Editor Fiction, Journalism, Humor
OMG!! In 2 days, $90K raised to buy Reverend Manning's failed "Execute the Homos" church from the city –evil sign and all!– to house abandoned gay/ trans kids! This may be Joe Jervis's idea. Joe writes the viral award-winning gay news blog JoeMyGod.com. Read it! Anyhoo, Paypal's not on the donation page, and wasnt on this one. So I wrote Joe, and SHAZAM the text above changed. To Paypal: "Enter mramos@aliforneycenter.org as the payee address. Enter 'Harlem No Hate' under instructions so we may track donations on this page." If you pay on the main page, you can also make automatic monthly gifts. AFC serves 50,000 meals a year. Big kids EAT. May this keep working past the goal until AFC has enough to buy the place outright. Bookmark this page and watch the $weetness rise. Tell your friends! Together, we gonna BUY that church! HALLELUJAH ! Spread the word! n As Joe writes [somehow in the Wicked Witches voice],"Fly my Pretties!" Make it so.
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wylekat > Necessitas • 25 days ago
Yeah... there is that.
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bkmn • a month ago
I know someone who is looking down in approval..
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Mommie Dammit > bkmn • a month ago
My Gram, for one - hell, she'd have roped me into helping her make crazy quilts for all the new beds by now!
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Homo Erectus > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
I was thinking about making a donation in my mom's name just to see the ground shake around the cemetery where she would certainly be spinning in her grave.
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Robincho > Homo Erectus • a month ago
She's doin' the Monster Mash -- it was a graveyard smash!...
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Six Pins Delores > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
It would be a thing of beauty to see quilts being made for living lgbt folks.
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shellback > Libse1969 • a month ago
Generally speaking, as a prostitute, you aren't making nearly enough per hour.
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Robincho > bkmn • a month ago
I'm tempted to go so far as to call her Bea-atific!...
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Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Joe, please find a way to keep this post up until Friday - I'm flat broke until then.
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David Walker > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Mommie!!!! How wonderful to see you here again. Been concerned, and there's no way to find out about anyone. If you were ill, I'm delighted you're on your way to being well. If you've been away on a trip, sorry it's over but welcome back!
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Mommie Dammit > David Walker • a month ago
David, m'love, neither of the above. I've changed jobs - gone back to technical escalations at HR Block - and tax season has started. I cease to exist between Dec. 10th and May 1st. And by the end of it all, if I hear the words "my return was rejected, something must be wrong with Blockworks" again I'll rip that person to shreds and feed him to my cats!
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BearEyes > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Congrats on the new job. As someone who is also 'customer facing', I understand fully.
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Mommie Dammit > BearEyes • a month ago
Customers are easy, B.E. I deal with Tax Pro's and Office/District managers and Franchise Owners all day... just because they've been doing taxes for a living for 30 years, all of a sudden they know how to troubleshoot Java...? LOL
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BearEyes > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
LOL - get it. (senior IT manager here) Some of my customers are VPs and think they know what their minions actually do. Sometimes, it's cute - other times - not so much, but you learn to deal with them. Once in a while, I get to shut them down. I love those days.
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Grumpy old Man > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
I face that crush myself - I answer phones for the IRS as a seasonal, they called me back a month early and plan on keeping me 3 months past my normal release date. I whimper quietly to myself because no one seems find my not getting 6 months off to be that awful, sigh.
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crypticscholar > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Oh Mommie I'll raise a pint of cider for you tonight. At my previous job, I spent several years as one of the system engineering support bitches for hrblock.com and I lost way too much sleep doing that job.
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Steven Leahy > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
I have to pay Nebraska, again :-( So I'll be waiting to file mine till later.
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Mommie Dammit > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Ugh... you'd have to wait anyway. Nebraska's DOR screwed up their efile forms so some of them would get rejected anyway. Targeted date for release is Feb 9th... mind you, I said "targeted."
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Steven Leahy > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Thanks for the info. and the heads up! I do mine online on Turbo Tax - have completed but not submitted. I will wait.
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Mommie Dammit > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Be glad you're not in Ohio. They got hit with a major deluge on opening of efile, and their system collapsed. They don't expect to be able to process efiled returns for another 30 days.
And I've used the HRB At Home software for 15 years. Never a hitch!
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Robincho > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Put "In honor of Ernie Chambers" on the memo line...
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Bj Lincoln > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
My step father does taxes and disappears until April 15th. It's their vacation money as they live on a fixed income. He hates dealing with unprepared people and the public in general. Lol
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Silver_Witch > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Mommie Dammit - $10 in your name! Kisses!
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McShane • a month ago
Almost halfway there.
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Todd Allis > McShane • 25 days ago
Just passed halfway!
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Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
It is actually quite a beautiful building. I had never seen a photo of the whole building like the one posted here. How wonderfully fitting that it should go toward helping people, toward offering love and protection.
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Acronym Jim > Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
The beauty of the building just an additional reason to donate; to preserve an historic building from being razed for yet another high rise condo. This way we can house people who have more legitimate and pressing needs.
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Fearsome Beard > Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
Imagine how beautiful it will be when love, acceptance and understanding is the mission of the people within its walls!
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Randy503 > Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
Oh, this won't be the last we see of that "Pastor." In fact, I suspect that he will be hanging around quite a bit, once he realizes that gay male teens are sleeping there.
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JCF > Randy503 • a month ago
Ew, thanks for THAT revolting thought...
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clay > Randy503 • 25 days ago
He owns a couple of private schools, a grocery store, and other businesses in the neighborhood.
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Johnny Wyeknot > Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
Will be even more beautiful without his hateful sign.
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David Walker • a month ago
Looked at the account and they deposited the amount early. HOORAY!!!! Just visited there and made my contribution. How satisfying! So much good done with one visit. I have despised Manning for so long, I have wanted to do something for our kids even longer...it feels like the perfect gift. Thank you, Joe, for pointing this out to us, and congratulations, Carl, on the excellent work you do.
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j.martindale • a month ago
I am getting money back on taxes soon. A few more bucks won't hurt.
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Anastasia Beaverhousen > j.martindale • a month ago
I cashed in some stock options from my company last week. It's like found money so when the deposit is made I will make sure to make another donation In honor of my favorite homophobe in Alabama.
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perversatile > Anastasia Beaverhousen • a month ago
I just called my Mom to wish her a "Happy Birthday"
Me- You know how you're always saying you're an old lady and you don't want or need anything.
Mom- Yep
Me- I didn't get you anything.
Mom- I'll remember that when your birthday comes up next, nothin's sadder than a birthday card with no cash in it.
I then told Mom I made a donation to AFC and the kind of work they do, who they help, goals etc. and even though she was completely unfamiliar with the Ali Forney Center, Mom totally knew who that "Asshole with the semen in the coffee" was.
Mom- well that's a real good present sweetie, I better not get a bunch of junk mail like the time your Aunt Alice planted a tree instead of getting Christmas presents that year.
Me- No Mamma
Mom -ya know, you should have made a donation in your Dad's name. That would of really pissed him off.
We are both laughing and I hear my step-dad in the background- "what are you hootin' about?" Then a muffled exchange and Mom comes back still giggling,
Mom- My husband wants to know how much it cost
Me- What cost?
Mom- to make a donation to the Ally Macbeal place,
we're gonna get a brick and put Jimmy Earl's* name on it.
Moments like this really show you, who your people are, and why you turned out like you did. I hope I'm even half this cool when I'm 76.
*My extremely racist, homophobic rat-bastard father.
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David Walker > perversatile • a month ago
I love cool stories about cool families. You raised you mom very well.
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perversatile > David Walker • a month ago
Thank you.
Sunday dinner at my Granny's house, I'm about 15 years old.
Dad- You have got all of your Mamma's bad qualities
and none of my good ones.
I just roll my eyes, grin and wait for it:
Mom- Did someone punch you in the fuckin' head?
Granny- Thank God, I couldn't handle another one like you.
Grandaddy- Is that what you really think son?
Aunt Louise to Mom- keep up the good work
Uncle Wayne- That's better than you deserve.
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Ginger Snap > Anastasia Beaverhousen • a month ago
My retail "holiday" bonus will be rolling in in February just in time to donate big. I don't have billions but what I do earn I always give back to my community when I can. This is what love looks like.
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perversatile > Ginger Snap • a month ago
For Ginger Snap
This Is What Love Looks Like
Love doesn't know the difference
between punctuality and causality.
Sometimes Love is too shy to speak first.
Sometimes Love jumps up and down,
shouting, Here I Am! Here I Am! and no one hears.
Love is woefully ignorant of the rules to Hide and Seek.
Love knows all the best hiding places.
Occasionally, for no reason at all, Love will break you,
and you'll never break in the same way again.
Sometimes Love is a tiny second.
A tiny second too terrified to speak,
terrified your heart will explode if you don't.
That tiny second when
Courage battles Fear, and loses,
when Fear grows brave and says
"'I love you"
That tiny second is
where Love hides when it wants to be found.
Is why stars explode and silly things make us cry.
It's why excitement is never proportionate to it's cause.
It's why you get mad when you're scared,
It's why we make silly faces at babies, listen to sea shells and talk about last night's dreams.
Its why sometimes a person we barely know,
is exactly what Love looks like.
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Ginger Snap > perversatile • 25 days ago
Absolutely beautiful, thank you darling.
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perversatile > Ginger Snap • 25 days ago
I'm glad you liked it.
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Reality.Bites > Anastasia Beaverhousen • a month ago
I thought all Stan's money was borrowed and that's why you divorced him.
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Anastasia Beaverhousen > Reality.Bites • a month ago
Yes but remember I married Finister and Jackie married Beverly, and while short in stature he was high in cash.
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dcurlee > Anastasia Beaverhousen • a month ago
Till Beverly got sucked off the balcony 😛
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Wayne Alan Blood > dcurlee • a month ago
Now THAT was a blowjob!
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JT > Anastasia Beaverhousen • a month ago
And Vince became a record executive in the 1970s. Oh wait ...
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Homo Erectus > Anastasia Beaverhousen • a month ago
Would that be a certain dick-head chief justice?
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j.martindale • a month ago
When I put in the contribution, I added to the place for a name that I was a Joe.my.god fan.
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Michael White • a month ago
My husband and I in Indiana are excited to be a part of this project.
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TallBearNC • a month ago
I donated 10k. Every bit counts, even if ever lgbt person donated 1$, they'd hit their goal
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DaddyRay > TallBearNC • a month ago
Holly Crap 10K! That is amazing TallBearNC
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DumbHairyApe > TallBearNC • a month ago
Woo hoo! $10k!!! You deserve an e trap big halo! Just kidding about the halo, every bit counts and I want to encourage everyone to donate no matter the amount they can give!
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napoleonva • a month ago
$200. Done.
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Acronym Jim • a month ago
I just donated. The total now stands at $82,100.
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Johnny Wyeknot > Acronym Jim • a month ago
Look now! Over $87,000 at 10:30 pm
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Randy503 • a month ago
Next up -- When the Family Research Council gets behind on its mortgage payments for their new office building in downtown Washington, DC, I will be the first one celebrating when we turn THAT one into a GLBT homeless shelter.
And it's going to have bathrooms for whoever the hell wants to use them!
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zhera > Randy503 • a month ago
Just imagine the Homosexual Lobby!
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billbear1961 > zhera • a month ago
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biki > billbear1961 • a month ago
Now THAT'S a lobby!!!
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rabbit_ears > billbear1961 • a month ago
Thats a lovely lobby!
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billbear1961 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
It just needs a refreshments table!
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rabbit_ears > billbear1961 • a month ago
But of course! It is a gay lobby after all ;-)
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billbear1961 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
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rabbit_ears > billbear1961 • a month ago
You're making me drool with this ear/eye/mouth candy dear Billbear!
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billbear1961 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
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:D
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Snarkaholic > billbear1961 • a month ago
Tag your porn!!!
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billbear1961 > Snarkaholic • a month ago
:O
:-)
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camel54 > billbear1961 • 25 days ago
A little on the plain side....
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Acronym Jim > billbear1961 • a month ago
That's no lobby; it's a Ryan Murphy set.
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rabbit_ears > zhera • a month ago
Ooh yes a lovely lobby, lots of marble, crystal and fountains, done with tasteful furnishings :-)
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Steverino • a month ago
That screen shot of the donation thermometer was taken precisely before we made our donation. I got tired of seeing the odd number total, so topped it up to an even figure, in addition to our basic donation. Typical Aspie thing to do, of course.
: )
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Steven Leahy > Steverino • a month ago
It's now at 40%/$79,515!
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JustSayin' • a month ago
Definitely notify your company office that does community outreach and or donations. This is a pure write off for them and great press at least for liberal companies
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Homo Erectus > JustSayin' • a month ago
My company donated!
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j.martindale • a month ago
The churches in our country think they have a lock on morality. And they create these myriad rules that people are encumbered with to elevate themselves to some "sainted" state. They rely on complicated texts to teach them the ins and outs of "goodness." But morality is not difficult. It does not require thousands of doctrines. You don't need divine guidance, nor do you need to be religious to be moral.
There is one rule we must follow to be successful, good and moral in our lives. We must leave the world a better place for our having been here. And every act of our lives can be judged by the question: "If I do this, will the world be a better place?"
So when we look at our relations with others, if they are loving relations, they will make the world better. If we treat the environment kindly, the world will be better. If we are charitable to those in need, the world will be better.
I have family members who doubt that we can raise kids morally without churches. I beg to differ. Life can be simple.
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billbear1961 • a month ago
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Gloria in excelsis Justitiae!
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Tigernan Quinn • a month ago
Never let it be said that we are not spiteful people with lots of disposable cash.
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DaddyRay > Tigernan Quinn • a month ago
Indeed - Don't F' with Us
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Robincho > DaddyRay • a month ago
I betcha Faye wishes that movie could be Dunaway with...
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > DaddyRay • a month ago
Except under the right circumstances.
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johncAtl • a month ago
About $2500 in the last two hours. I'm happy to have contributed to that.
I usually prefer to donate to local LGBT organizations. But whenever Joe posts a plea to donate to AFC I find a few extra dollars. I guess I have a soft spot knowing that many LGBT youth only know a few places where they can go and maybe survive. NYC is one of them.
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Ginger Snap • a month ago
Love,love,love will always win over Hate.
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bkmn • a month ago
With Monday coming a reminder to check with your HR department to see if the company you work for does any matching donations. I know not as many companies still do this but it is worth asking - every bit will help!
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rabbit_ears • a month ago
Two more percent in the last few hours! 42%. Not the answer to life, the universe and everything yet though, but its moving fast!
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billbear1961 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
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Justitiae Optimae Maximae!
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rabbit_ears > billbear1961 • a month ago
Thank you Billbear! An exquisite selection of music to celebrate our battle of love over hate!
Personally I'd love to set you loose on "Pastor" Manning and watch you tears a few strips off his hide. :-D
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billbear1961 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Let me try that again . . .
:-)
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DavidAZ > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Yes. Think revenant.
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billbear1961 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
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Silver_Witch > billbear1961 • a month ago
Love WINS again!!!
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Piercedchrlz > rabbit_ears • a month ago
That 42% is out of love and love IS the answer to life, the universe and everything else!
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Johnny Wyeknot > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
44% at 10:30 pm eastern time
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zhera • a month ago
Excellent! Tomorrow there WILL be lots more donations.
It still irks me though, to think about those pizza place people who raised almost a million dollars in just a few days (?), and that was pure hate motivated. But good causes like this one will never see the same level of donations. It makes me ashamed to be human.
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rabbit_ears > zhera • a month ago
Look at the opposite side of the coin, Joe's blog is a single entity that doesn't get the same amount of press that right wing bigots generate with their obtuse small-minded antics. They got news press galore and it snowballed faster.
Our little community did this much in three days without the press (yet, hopefully this gets in front of them soon). On top of that, these three days are typically slow days on the blog because a lot of us are out doing weekend events. I think we did pretty darn well considering our size and the timing. I hope Joe keeps posting updates to keep this in front of the readers who don't typically show up regularly on weekends.
Now that the weekend is ending lets hope it does get more press and more corporate commitments for donations and donation matching etc.
I think our little team has done pretty darned well considering the obstacles we have. Cheers to us all!
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David Walker > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Cheers and a hallelujah and maybe a Ramen/amen, too. I check in here and to the Forney site and smile.
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zhera > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Thank you for your positive view! I sometimes need to be reminded of how wonderful people can be. :)
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Ninja0980 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Indeed, sad to say but the haters have twitters set up just for them and they use it very well.
As you said though, look at what we've been able to get so far.
And it's being done out of love, not out of hate.
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Homo Erectus > Ninja0980 • a month ago
It makes the baby jeebus smile.
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Robincho > rabbit_ears • a month ago
And now, for once, a reason to look forward to Monday!...
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DumbHairyApe > zhera • a month ago
Keep in mind that hate money, though it might be a larger quantity, is UGLY money and disappears fast. LOVE money, especially LGBTQ colored, influences and lasts a lifetime and the money is PRETTY!!!
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zhera > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
And it definitely smells better!
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Robincho > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
Money is fungible. That Andrew, Ulysses, or Ben in your wallet doesn't care whether you send it to Ali Forney or Muck Fuckabee. But YOU do, and that's where the formidable Mme. Karma enters the picture. All of our anti-Manning donations are wreathed in her good graces...
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William > zhera • a month ago
Think how many of the donors are the same folks who send their entire Social Security check to a tv preacher because he said that he had a vision of Jesus. Not many of the readers or posters here are going to send off all their money for the month and be reduced to eating store brand dog food.
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zhera > William • a month ago
Hmmm.... if only AFC had the lacking morals to do some Jesus grifting. They'd be swimming in money in no time!
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Homo Erectus > zhera • a month ago
Joe needs a new jet airplane.
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TheManicMechanic > Homo Erectus • a month ago
Or a new hat! ;)
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Robincho > Homo Erectus • a month ago
Except that Creflo Jervis doesn't really have the proper ring to it...
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Homo Erectus > Robincho • 25 days ago
Dollar Jervis??? I'm glad he doesn't have the grift disease.
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Mark > zhera • a month ago
It is, pardon my french, fucking sad!!! Why is it hate generates more money than love? I just don't get it.
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Mommie Dammit > Mark • a month ago
Because humans are, by their nature, hateful, small-minded, and heartless. It takes great effort of Will to be kind, generous, loving and fearless... and Americans won't do ANYTHING that requires any kind of effort. How else would you explain the success of that POS Facebook?
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Steven Leahy > Mommie Dammit • a month ago
Agree, and people love us vs. them - they love posse-ing up on others.
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David Walker > Mark • a month ago
I'm inclined to believe that it's the way xnty is practiced in these United States.
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rabbit_ears > David Walker • a month ago
You want to get angry or depressed or both watch "Jesus Camp" on Netflix.
http://www.netflix.com/title/7...
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David Walker > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Oh, god, no. These drive me nuts. I felt frustrated Friday when I couldn't help AFC. This sort of thing pushes every button on my angry side and I stomp around for days thinking about it and wishing ill to the leaders. I'm feeling pretty good right now. I'll pass.
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rabbit_ears > David Walker • a month ago
I'll give you that get out of jail free card. It got my fur up so bad I just wanted to take those kids to the nearest child protective services shelter, then SLAP every adult involved physically and legally with abuse charges.
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Ninja0980 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
It boggles my mind how parents are allowed to abuse their children in the name of religion and get away with it.
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Steven Leahy > David Walker • a month ago
Please don't feel bad about it. You're out and an active advocate for LGBT issues, and I am sure you have done many good works of different types throughout your life.
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Steven Leahy > rabbit_ears • a month ago
I think I have that in my watch list, but haven't been able to bring myself to do it. Maybe get some alcohol first.
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rabbit_ears > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Believe me you'll need it. The only bright spot in it was a xtian talk radio show where a listener called in to say that Christianity is getting mean and warlike, and he didn't recognize it anymore basically. The host agreed.
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BearEyes > Steven Leahy • a month ago
You're going to need it. And you'll still scream at the torture and abuse.
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rabbit_ears > BearEyes • a month ago
The one thing that sticks in my mind was this preacher woman in front of the kids. She said xtians got too fat and lazy to fight sin and Satan. The irony is this woman could easily top 300 pounds and looks like she lives in a 7-11. I just wanted to scream "Get a fucking mirror!" at her.
Then she had the nerve to quote old testament shit at these kids, but quite obviously left out all the parts about how women should be the property of men, and all that crap that would basically have them chained to the home, living in a closet like a tool only to be used when needed. My blood pressure went right through the roof.
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BearEyes > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Seen, but not heard.
They never learn.
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GanymedeRenard > zhera • a month ago
Cheer up! At least Brian Brown didn't reach his goal last year. That alone makes me smile! ;)
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Johnny Wyeknot • a month ago
I'm in. Check the total now. :-)
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DaddyRay > Johnny Wyeknot • a month ago
wow $87K
Would be so wonderful to hit 50% by tomorrow
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Johnny Wyeknot > DaddyRay • 25 days ago
We are close at 8:15 am eastern
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Johnny Wyeknot > DaddyRay • 25 days ago
Done as of 12:09 pm eastern time. :-)
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Randy503 • a month ago
Just made good on my promise of $10.
So he is $1M in debt? All he had to do was pawn a few of his watches, and he'd have the money. I guess material things matter more to this "Christian" and stiffing people he borrowed from than actually performing a ministry.
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David Walker > Randy503 • a month ago
Thanks, Randy503. We live in the same neighborhood. Hey, it's where we are. On the other hand, we've given what we can and the total wouldn't be as high without us. We do what we can, and it all helps.
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Bluto • a month ago
No "pastor" Manning, we're not silencing you - obviously. What we're doing is cleaning up all the messes created by bigoted asshole hetero turds such as yourself by adopting, caring for & loving your discarded children.
Fuck Manning & his kind, I'll keep donating as long as there is a child in need.
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DaddyRay > Bluto • a month ago
Maybe if Manning didn't preach so much hate he would have a larger congregation would donate so he could pay his bills. As the states that fought Marriage Equality are finding out - hate is expensive.
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chicago dyke > DaddyRay • 25 days ago
all yall homocons and uncle tom's closets need to take note. i know you read this blog. wake the fuck up, cause your gravy train is drying up faster than Murdoch's wife when he takes off his pants.
this was a Thing for a while. that's over. you have two choices: switch over the the Dept of denying climate change, or something like that. or, realize like that stupid bitch who got fired from the rump campaign: you're a prop, until you're garbage. and that will happen. to you.
being nice let me say if you have real skillz, the forces of Good would welcome your intel.
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Snarkaholic > DaddyRay • a month ago
Does anyone here live near his hate hole church? I'd like to know approximately how many people show up there on Sundays.
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DaddyRay > Snarkaholic • a month ago
Probably like sister Sarah Palin's PAC burning through cash spending most of it on herself
http://www.publicintegrity.org...
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Kevin Perez • a month ago
I gave $50. If I win in Las Vegas next weekend on the Super Bowl, I'll make it $100.
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Lumpy Gaga • a month ago
Looks like a sweet piece of real estate. Some asshole will probably double AFC's offer without blinking.
Nonetheless, I put something in the plate.
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DumbHairyApe • a month ago
It would be kind of cool if they get the building AND somehow repurpose the current ATLAH acronym, just to turn some hate into love and spite the former occupants!
Anyone really good with creative acronyms?
A is for....
T is for...
L is for....
A is for...
H is for...
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Piercedchrlz > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
A Total Love & Acceptance House
or
Ali's Total Love & Acceptance Home
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DumbHairyApe > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
Wow. You're good!
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DumbHairyApe > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
How about Awesome Total Love and Acceptance House? Cuz we're awesome!
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David Walker > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
Yes. We are.
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Silver_Witch > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
+1000
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DumbHairyApe > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
Oh, that second one is terrific!
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biki > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
I adore a total love and acceptance house! bravo!
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Piercedchrlz > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
Ali's True Love & Acceptance Home
Done, last one :-)
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DumbHairyApe > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
You saved your best for last, huh?
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David Milley > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
This one!
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Piercedchrlz > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
All This Love Against Hate
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DumbHairyApe > Piercedchrlz • a month ago
Excellent! Anyway to work the word "House" in at the end?
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Bluto > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
All This Love Against Hate, House
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Piercedchrlz > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
Acceptance & Tireless Love Abolishes Hate
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Snarkaholic > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
Assholes Telling Lies And Hating...
...is now Ali's Triumphant Love And Healing.
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Friday > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
I'd lose the name but A Tasty Latte And How would be a good name for a coffee stand. :)
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Silver_Witch • a month ago
Donation Made - may the Unicorns make it so.
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sfbob • a month ago
Donation made and very gladly.
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Hywel Dda II • a month ago
And be aware that Smile Amazon has Ali Forney Center as a charity choice in its list. Sign up & shop 'til you drop.
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ClevelandJim > Hywel Dda II • a month ago
I've had Ali Forney as my Smile charity for well over a year, and I only enter amazon thru Smile. Among other things, I buy 2 or 3 ebooks a week, and I know it's small potatoes, but if everyone chooses AFC, it can certainly add up.
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Steven Leahy > Hywel Dda II • a month ago
I use Smile all the time., Will have to remember that.
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DumbHairyApe • a month ago
Has anyone heard or read anything from Manning or his hate-posse lately? He was supposed to address this matter at his church service today.
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Snarkaholic > DumbHairyApe • a month ago
He claims a friend offered him the 1.2 mil...but we'll see (he said this a day before the church service).
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KCMC • a month ago
LOVE away the hate. More, more, more!!!
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Lazycrockett • a month ago
and that's how you do it.
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DaddyRay • a month ago
Maybe we should hit up George Soros - he donated $8 Million to Hillary
http://www.politico.com/story/...
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Duane Dimitrov • a month ago
Jesus christ.
Now I just gave ANOTHER $100.
People, give. We are going to keep passing around this donation plate until it's full, so you might as well just give now.
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Mark > Duane Dimitrov • a month ago
HUGS Duane!!!
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TuuxKabin > Duane Dimitrov • a month ago
Most of us are giving what we can. There are some limitations to giving and from some threads it appears people have stretched their budgets to be able to give. But, I hear ya'!
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Steven Leahy > TuuxKabin • a month ago
Totally agree. Those who cannot give, or who can give a limited amount, I totally understand, Those who can afford it, cough it up! $$$! LOL
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Mark > Duane Dimitrov • a month ago
Oh hell I can tell you've been in a church!!! LOL!!
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Herald • a month ago
Just checked and they are up to $86,446 as of 10:15 pm eastern time.
This is looking very good!
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Johnny Wyeknot > Herald • a month ago
$87,515 at 10:30 eastern time
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Steven Leahy • a month ago
Maybe I'll just have to donate again!
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Mark > Steven Leahy • a month ago
I've been thinking the same thing - - looking at my checking account in the morning to see what I can do.
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JCF • a month ago
Did the building start life as a school? It sure looks more like a school, than a church.
...and, it looks like (depending on its condition, Yikes) it'll be a great physical plant for the AFC. Go get it! :-)
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Roger Mann > JCF • 25 days ago
It wasn't built as a church. Google books gives the description on page 533 of The American Institute of Architects' Guide to New York) that notes that it was originally built as The Harlem Club in 1888 -89, architects Lamb and Rich. When the AIA guide was published in 2010 it was home to an outfiit called the Bethelite Community Baptist Church. (That is apparently Manning's business name.)
The AIA's description reads: "Monumental. Once a private club for wealthy Harlem whites, it now serves as the monumental house of an African-American congregation. Splendid Romanesque Revival in rough brownstone and cut limestone with brick flat and radial and boasting of the fine craftsmanship of the 19th century's penultimate years."
(Wikipedia has a short article on the architects, whose best-known building is FD Roosevelt's country house, Sagamore Hill on Long Island, built in 1887.)
I'd be surprised if NYC's planning and heritage people would look kindly on the building's demolition for redevelopment, so I think Ali Forney's plan to keep and upgrade it would be a big point in their favour -- and their proposed use, as accommodation for young people, is certainly in keeping with its original purpose.
I can't find anything on-line that gives any serious indication of what it will sell for (though obviously the City hopes that it will be over a million) but there is an interesting page here: http://apartable.com/buildings... Apart from a long list of Manning's breaches of the building codes, it gives an interesting table right at the bottom, which lists its property taxes and gives a "market value" for 2014/15 of $428,000.
What relationship that figure has to actual market value I don't know.
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DaddyRay > JCF • a month ago
Some of the complaints against the church referred to classrooms on the 3rd and 4th floors so I assume it was being used as a school
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JT • a month ago
Recipe advice for Manning's next semen flavored latte.
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chicago dyke • a month ago
this is when you send the email to all your straight coworkers and friends who probably don't read Joe too often, but are on our side. remember, post holiday fundraising is the hardest, so couch your terms and cash in some favors. the trick here is that this is literally the funniest moment in fundraising ever. you really don't get very many opportunities like this one. laugh + doing good = moar chex.
i worked in fundraising for a while and all i can say is i wish i'd had something like this when i was trying to get the big juices flowing. everyone hates Monday Mornings at work; this is the perfect "email i'm going to open and look like i'm working" that will lead to lolz and $$ for AFC. if you're like me you rarely ask people not in your inner circle for donations, but i see this one as a very good time.
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David Walker > chicago dyke • a month ago
We're speaking the same language on this one, chicago dyke. I was going to post this on Facebook, but will work tonight on an email for sending tomorrow.
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Bj Lincoln • 25 days ago
I just sent all the info to Ellen to see if she will give them a shout on her show. Cross your fingers!
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DaddyRay • a month ago
OT: Not giving any spoilers but tonights Downton made me gasp out loud - poor kitty hasn't come out from behind the sofa
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Johnny Wyeknot > DaddyRay • a month ago
I know!
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johncAtl > DaddyRay • a month ago
Downtown? Was Aaron there underneath you? I mean with you.
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Randy503 • a month ago
I would send in a bomb squad, asbestos team and a SWAT team into that building before moving in. No telling how this hate pastor will boobytrap it, knowing gays are taking it over.
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Alan43 • a month ago
Perhaps it'll never happen, but it would just be so great if it did!
One of those things that I'm really hoping for even though it wont' make a big difference in the grand scheme of things. Like Mike Pence losing reelection
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DaddyRay > Alan43 • a month ago
Even if they don't get the site the donations are going to a very good cause.
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BobSF_94117 • a month ago
He owes $1M in back taxes. But that building has to be worth a lot more, no?
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dcurlee > BobSF_94117 • a month ago
I agree but even if they don't get the building the money goes to a good cause.
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JustSayin' > BobSF_94117 • a month ago
Yes it is however NYC has what is called tax lien foreclosure and it works just like a mortgage foreclosure.
The hate fucks were notified about the liens and failed to pay, now the city wiil sieze the deed and title, auction off to the higbest bidder to recover the owed monies and then foreclose on the property before handing it to the auctuon winner. The winner has now acquired full ownership of the property without any of the previous mortgages or debt remaining. It is free and clear except for any financing they did to get the winning bid.
The lenders or other lien holders can then sue the previous owners to recover what is owed them. The banks will most likely write off the loss, but other lien holders will have to take the hate fucks to court.
If an angel gives ali forney the est. $1 million owed they can make an all cash offer which the city will prefer and if they are the only NFP all the better. Having another property in the same neighborhood is an additional benefit as it makes them look like a good neighbor and better party to be responsible and improve the area.
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Mark > BobSF_94117 • a month ago
I don't know the laws in New York, but in many places, simply paying the back taxes will secure the person paying the property.
Anyone know what the laws are in NY?
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Anastasia Beaverhousen > Mark • a month ago
Living in NY state, I know that in our village if taxes are in arrears, you can get the building if there are no other lien holders.
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Steven Leahy • a month ago
I just did $75 more. Joe, I would love to send & see a link to this on the other LGBT blog sites out there!
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David Walker > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Thanks, Steven. And while I agree that other sites should donate space to the story and the campaign, I feel so proud to be here where it started, and with all the people I enjoy and who are so generous. We still have work to do, but DAMN does participating in this feel good.
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Steven Leahy > David Walker • a month ago
I so agree with you. I wonder if they can tell from where donations came - I guess they can through how the link was accessed? HMM.
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David Walker > Steven Leahy • a month ago
As BearEyes mentioned, they'll know. Friday night, though, someone said s/he put "joemygod.com" in the business block. I did that, too.
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BearEyes > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Yes. a website can see where the originating traffic (linked) came from. i.e. from Joe's site to AFCs.
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timncguy > Steven Leahy • a month ago
I've seen this on Towleroad and Huffington Post
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Steven Leahy • 25 days ago
They're at 45% or just over $90K as of this morning
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Guess • a month ago
Sorry, Manning, but you were almost right. Turns out, Jesus would Brownstone the gays!
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Sam_Handwich • a month ago
i have a problem with the plan to put homeless gay teens in that building.
i understand the snark factor of AFC taking over that particular property, but is it giving full consideration to the safety of the kids down the road?
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Lazycrockett > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Better to be protected in a building than outside alone on the streets.
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Sam_Handwich > Lazycrockett • a month ago
i didn't say they should be on the streets. is this the only building in NYC?
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TuuxKabin > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Don't know about other buildings, but it is located down the block from a AFC drop in center. So the kids are aware of the neighborhood and hopefully the neighbors are aware of the kids. Also I think it is a matter of strike while the iron is hot, seize the opportunity, if possible.
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Lazycrockett > TuuxKabin • a month ago
"While the iron is hot" totally agree, this is getting PR and making the rounds so its good for support that might normally not be there.
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StraightGrandmother > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Well Sam_H this is the building The executive director wants and so I wouldn't second guess him. I think it is a huge draw to have their headquarters just down the block.
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Ninja0980 > StraightGrandmother • a month ago
Indeed, and if there is a person that knows about safety of LGBT youth, it's him.
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j.martindale > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Any particular reason for your concern?
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Sam_Handwich > j.martindale • a month ago
they're evicting crazy anti-gay people from the building, led by a guy who wants to kill gay people
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Necessitas > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Sadly, you'll have that in any neighborhood in America.
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witch > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
And that guy is crazy enough to burn the building down in the name of his brand of god
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Cuberly > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
It's interesting you mention this. The first question that popped in my head was, just how secure can they make that building.
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TuuxKabin > Cuberly • a month ago
I've worked in 'residences' in NYC and there are budgeted departments, security is always one of them. The building looks secure, and as mentioned above the kids maybe familiar with the neighborhood, and the neighborhood with them. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but if we have nothing to fear but fear itself, why bring it up?
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Cuberly > TuuxKabin • a month ago
Oh don't get me wrong. This is still a great cause and I'm working on getting more friends/acquaintances contributing. It's a large building that could be used for doing a lot of good.
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TuuxKabin > Cuberly • a month ago
I didn't take your thread as anything but concern for the kids and good to you spreading the word! El husbian and I are doing like wise.
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Necessitas > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
There are others contending for the building as well, at least two other parties of which I am aware. It's looking like a three-way race, so the highest bidder will likely win.
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Sam_Handwich > Necessitas • a month ago
is Starbucks in on the bidding? :-D
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DaddyRay > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
I would love to see a joint venture between Ali Forney Center and Starbucks where they put a Starbucks in part of the building and employ some of the homeless youth to help get them on their feet.
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TuuxKabin > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
That was brought up yesterday when somebody mentioned they had contacted the, I guess, executive offices and a kind of generic reply which appeared to indicate no body was really there, it being the weekend, and the hope was on Monday the person overseeing requests would 'really' read it and hopefully reply. That's why I'm hopeful Monday will bring in more pledges and donations. Business day and back to work.
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BearEyes > Necessitas • a month ago
Who are the other 2 parties, if you would, please?
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Necessitas > BearEyes • a month ago
River of Life church, an LGBT inclusive church, and "an unnamed party which has expressed interest in the property in the past".
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BearEyes > Necessitas • a month ago
thanks.
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Six Pins Delores > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
A good question.
It surely must have a large kitchen facility where they can provide job training for a catering business but I wonder about the security for the kids not only in the neighborhood as it may be but also as it is being a secure and safe place from natural disaster like they experienced with Sandy
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TuuxKabin > Six Pins Delores • 25 days ago
Harlem is at a higher elevation than Lower Manhattan and this location is more or less in the center of Manhattan. Flooding from a hurricane should not be a problem until the oceans rise much higher, then we're all sunk.
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Six Pins Delores > TuuxKabin • 25 days ago
Thank you. I have been wondering because they say it is close to where the current AFC site is at.
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bambinoitaliano • a month ago
Okay who is the sugar daddy here?!!!
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Bad Tom > bambinoitaliano • a month ago
We're ALL sugar daddies and mommies.
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Dreaming Vertebrate > Barbara Schoenberger • 25 days ago
Please flag the spammer.
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rabbit_ears > Barbara Schoenberger • 25 days ago
Harlot.
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Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild • 25 days ago
$110K and rising!
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BrotherFlounder • 25 days ago
Donated! And if my tax return processes soon I can donate a little more.
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Piet • 25 days ago
Just noted on one of my daily rounds that as of a couple of minutes ago this item of Joe's had 7,100 tumblr notes off one reblog. Fly, monkeys!
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Tom G • 25 days ago
Let's take the home away from this horrible person. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Tom G • 25 days ago
I'm in! So excited to see this property used for good. And a big FU to that insane pastor.
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teeveedub • 25 days ago
Just checked. It's now at $101,841 - more than halfway to the goal of $200k.
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DumbHairyApe • 25 days ago
Looks like the number is over 50% for Ali's Total Love and Acceptance House!
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Halloween_Jack • 25 days ago
That would be just beautiful.
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David Walker • 25 days ago
Monday, 10:30AM...just shy of $97,000, which is just shy of 50%. Maybe it's time to talk about this with our straight friends, our allies, maybe email folks and Facebook it. I know we were not the only contributors, but by damn we did a lot to get AFC to this point. Almost 50% in 3 days! We probably won't match the GoFuckMe funding for Cottonelle or the bigot bakers or the pizza makers who'd refuse to cater our wedding receptions. There aren't as many of us...but look what we've done so far. We've made our monetary contributions, we've raised nearly $100,000, so now let's raise some awareness. PS: I love you guys.
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Johnny Wyeknot > David Walker • 25 days ago
Boom. As of 12:09 pm.
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zhera > Johnny Wyeknot • 25 days ago
YAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!! Amazing!
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Beto • 25 days ago
Just took a look seconds ago and it passed the 96k mark. Totally fuckingfantastically awesome. Too bad I'm practically broke (and I live in Colombia where the exchange rate took the upper way) so I cannot donate and i'm dying to do so! Hopefully they reach and past their goal before auction's date. Joe, can you pin this post in top of your blog? That way a lot of people will be informed and then hopefully will be more than compelled to do their donation. Cheers from Colombia guys!
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Necessitas • a month ago
A turd accusing a fart of stinking.
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another_steve > Necessitas • a month ago
Sing it.
For the life of me, I can't understand why any evangelical would support Trump. The pundits this morning are making a big deal about how many of them recognize him as "not one of them" but nevertheless think he's "strong" and "powerful" and would do good things for America.
A serial wedder of bimbos who has devoted much of his adult life to spreading gambling across the land.
The disconnect is amazing.
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Houndentenor > another_steve • a month ago
Very few of Trump's supporters are active churchgoers. Mostly they are Christians in the way Trump is. They use it to back up their opinions but don't have to bother with anything so mundane as showing up or donating or volunteering or inconveniencing themselves in any way. There are some exceptions, but overall Trummp's supporters are people who like to use their religion to beat up on others but ignore it when it interferes with what they want to do.
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DesertSun59 > another_steve • a month ago
Today's Christianity was invented by a businessman in the early 20th century. The inventor was the founder of Quaker Oats. His name was Henry Parsons Crowell. The wedding of business interests with evangelical Christianity is an absolutely perfect blend. It stands to reason that they would embrace Trump. He perfects their hatred of 'the Other' in ways that evangelical religion by itself can only hope to dream of in their wildest Inquisition fantasies.
http://religiondispatches.org/...
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Todd20036 • a month ago
That's so cute, he thinks he's relevant.
The goobs who love Trump don't care what you think.
The goobs who don't love Trump didn't love trump before you said that.
The democrats think you're full of shit anyway.
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Gustav2 > Todd20036 • a month ago
For too long the media and pollsters have taken the self-identification "Evangelical Christian" as a powerful unifying force in politics. It is a tribal identification, much like most Roman Catholics don't go to church either. This is not as much of a practicing Christian Nation as the pollsters tell us, it is just their prejudges align.
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MichaelJ > Gustav2 • a month ago
You hit the nail on the head. Trump polls very well among evangelicals because many if not most who identify as evangelical or born again or fundamentalist Christians do not practice either what is preached to them or the practices they wish to impose on others. They can't care about Trump's hypocrisy because they don't care about their own.
One doesn't have to support the Southern Baptist version of ethical behavior espoused by Moore, but he deserves for far more respect than does any Trump supporter who claims that Christian values are important to him- or herself and the country as a whole.
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Houndentenor > Gustav2 • a month ago
Right. There was a study that showed that people inflate their own church attendance in polls so self-reporting on that is pretty much worthless. It wasn't that hard to compare poll numbers with actual church attendance (every church does a head count every Sunday). People like to think of themselves as going to church a lot more frequently than they actually do. And we have a media not at all interested in looking deep into numbers. They just read headlines and blather on mindlessly as if they know something.
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Friday > Todd20036 • a month ago
Does show how 'deep' the Christianist hypocrisy goes, though.
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Frostbite > Friday • a month ago
hypocrisy isn't even in their dictionary.
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Houndentenor > Friday • a month ago
It doesn't just go all the way to the bone, it IS the skeleton for most of the country.
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bambinoitaliano > Todd20036 • a month ago
Let the Goobsilla and the Hatezilla battle begin.
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vorpal • a month ago
Trump [...] who has destroyed families
Why would he denounce Trump, then? Destroying families by turning parents against their gay kids is a much-lauded Evangelical traditional value.
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Gustav2 > vorpal • a month ago
What good is it to be a Christianist if you can't shun people, I mean, what is the earthly reward?
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vorpal > Gustav2 • a month ago
That's generally been my conclusion of Christianity: it's a stupidity competition where the winner gets the prize of freely wallowing in ignorance and feeling unjustified superiority to everyone, all without requiring any effort whatsoever. Bonus points if you spend your money on guns and unopened bibles.
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safari2bongaloo > vorpal • a month ago
I don't know. My cousin's husband spends hours a day preaching on line. He's so busy he can't work, clean, or cook
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safari2bongaloo > vorpal • a month ago
You see, they do it through love. He does it through lust.
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Prion • a month ago
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teeveedub > Prion • a month ago
Somebody please call the medics. I can't stop watching that video.
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Prion • a month ago
..,
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Michael • a month ago
Yet the false prophet is just fine with Josh Duggar and Kim Davis.
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BudClark > Michael • a month ago
Yeah ... I was *wondering* about that ...
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Sk3ptic • a month ago
Yes, those are the reasons.
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Bj Lincoln • a month ago
Good! Let them bad mouth him. He is a sinner many times over, a racist, bigot and a blowhard who is embarrassing and disgracing his country. He is crude and rude with no class. He maybe able to behave like this in his own businesses and life but it is VERY inappropriate for President.
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D. J. > Bj Lincoln • a month ago
Marco, Rafael and the Donald are all unfit for public office.
As long as my cat continues to piss and poop in her box, she is doing her job and is more qualified to be President than the clowns of the GOP.
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Derrick Johns > Bj Lincoln • a month ago
I agree with you, Bj. Praise the Lord that the evangelicals are finally sniff their own bullshyt.
But I have to keep reminding myself that Donald Trump is the best thing that could have happened to the Democratic Party this election year. Many Democrats who are not thrilled with Hillary or Bernie will still vote for either of them in November. Donald and Ted give us the incentive to go out and vote next fall. And of course, there's the Supreme Court appointments to come soon.
'Course I aint thrilled with Obama anymore. I'm just a bitter ol' queen of a Democrat, I guess. But I'll vote Democrat.
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DaveW > Derrick Johns • a month ago
"It's an election " should be All the incentive needed.
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Derrick Johns > DaveW • a month ago
Oh, but often it aint. Many Americans sit out elections.
And some Americans are motivated to get out and vote based on certain issues not the appeal of the candidates. And for many Democrats this year that's the case.
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William > Derrick Johns • a month ago
My partner's boss bases his vote on one issue, abortion.
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ColdCountry > William • a month ago
I'm afraid that over the years, I've narrowed it down to one thing: human rights. The most basic of which is a woman's right to make decisions about herself. You don't support a woman's right to choose? F you - no vote, no matter where you stand on other things.
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ColdCountry > Derrick Johns • a month ago
I have a Republican friend who is beside himself over the choice of candidates. He said if Trump wins the nomination he will be forced to vote for whomever he thinks can defeat him, regardless of who it is or what party they belong to, or even where they stand on the issues. ANYONE but Trump.
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thatotherjean > ColdCountry • a month ago
I'm not a Republican, but that sounds completely reasonable to me, too.
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AJ Drew • a month ago
and apparently not just runs but ruins casinos... double GOP sin.
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Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
"Yeah. I have a great relationship with, uh ... with god. His name is printed on all my money! Har har har!!"
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Marides48 > Brian in Valdosta • a month ago
Last time I checked, god's name is not on my debit card.
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Chucktech > Marides48 • a month ago
Then you have the devil's debit card!!1111!1!!
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sherman • a month ago
If you click on the Russell Moore tag, you'll see that he has: denounced ex-gay therapy, said officials who don't comply with marriage laws should get another job, and supported taking down the Confederate loser flag,.
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Craig Howell > sherman • a month ago
And yet he calls himself a Christian! Heretic!
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oikos • a month ago
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MB • a month ago
Then why in Hells Bells, did they invite him to Southern Baptist Liberty University ?
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sword • a month ago
Trump has a private jet...so do many of the mega-church Evangelists.
People dump millions of dollars onto Trump's gambling tables hoping to strike it rich...people dump millions of dollars into offering trays hoping that God will help them become rich. Trump decries those 'Godless...Liberals'...now the Evangelists decry that 'Trump...the Godless Conservative'. Each asks the 'unwashed' to send money...money...money.
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KnownDonorDad > sword • a month ago
At least with Trump they have a non-zero chance of returns.
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Gustav2 • a month ago
Finally, someone told the truth, Evangelical Christians cause divorce!
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Blake Jordan • a month ago
What do I have to sacrifice to whom, in order to make trump run as an independent?
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BudClark > Blake Jordan • a month ago
How about Tony Perkkkins to Ba'al?
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GanymedeRenard > BudClark • a month ago
You beat me to it, BC! Brian Brown to Mammon! Maggie Gallagher to Huitzilopochtli? Can't the whole Pagan pantheon accept a collective sacrifice of the haters? (Metaphorically, of course)
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GanymedeRenard > BudClark • a month ago
LMAOL!!
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skeptical_inquirer > Blake Jordan • a month ago
Let the RNC do the work for you.
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TuuxKabin > Blake Jordan • a month ago
We'll get back to you, but prepare the temple, high priests and rabble, hopefully you'll be able to do that soon. You have a platform high enough for all to witness? Something along a Maya or Aztec pyramid?
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David F. > TuuxKabin • a month ago
I do have access to a 53 year old male virgin that is available for sacrificing in case of planetary emergency like a killer asteroid. You supply the angry volcano god and we'll talk.
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Paula > David F. • a month ago
Oh....so they have to supply the volcano. I was wondering where you would store that.
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TuuxKabin > David F. • a month ago
ok. he's at the gym right now, soon as he comes home for lunch i'll ask if he's angry 'nuf.
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bkmn • a month ago
Infighting is funny.
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Lionel Leston • a month ago
Shouldn't that be Southern Baptist "Ethics" and "Religious Liberty" Commission?
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Ragnar Lothbrok • a month ago
How many times did the other guy say " As such " ?? 4 or 5 at least.
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Sam_Handwich • a month ago
Also yesterday, Limbaugh and Levin were attacking Trump (mostly for going after Carnival Cruz)
Does this mean that Rinsed Penus has finally launched Plan A?
Whatever. Too little, too late.
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DaveW > Sam_Handwich • a month ago
It's not too late, it just feels like it. We shouldn't have started yet. They'll run someone saner and it may be a real contest.
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Michael Smith • a month ago
He's an adulterer and a casino owner? How is he not in prison?
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M Jackson > Michael Smith • a month ago
How is he able to get a good christian clerk to issue him a marriage license?
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Frostbite > M Jackson • a month ago
she was off on her 3rd 4th 5th honeymoon!
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Paula > Frostbite • a month ago
She does seem to be making goo-goo eyes at Mat Staver in a lot of those pictures.
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B Snow > Paula • a month ago
Ew, ew, ew!!!! You owe me brain bleach!!!
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Porkie • a month ago
It's kind of impressive that he can out-hypocrite the southern baptists - scary, but impressive!
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j.martindale • a month ago
Trump has a lot to atone for, but it has nothing to do with this sanctimonious preacher's gawd.
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JoyZeeBoy • a month ago
Jews don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Protestants don't recognize the Pope as head of the Christian faith. Southern Baptists don't recognize each other in Vegas.
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Ginger Snap • a month ago
I thought those were cherished qualities of southern baptists?
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Sashineb > Ginger Snap • a month ago
Yeah, the southern baptists even admit their divorces are a scandal: http://www.sbc.net/resolutions...
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Chucktech • a month ago
"I'm not wanting a 'preacher in chief', either, I don't want... someone who knows the difference between two Corinthians and second Corinthians..."
Oh, you bald faced LIAR. You'd get positively wet with the semen o' Jeezis if you had a "preacher in chief."
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Rex • a month ago
Trump thinks he is god, so he's gonna ask himself for forgiveness?
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GanymedeRenard > Rex • a month ago
Well, it would't take a long stretch of the imagination. Cheezis sacrificed himself to himself to pay for the sins that he himself had condemned humankind for. Makes perfect sense, right?
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KarenAtFOH > Rex • a month ago
"Oh my Self, I forgive Me."
I feel dirty just having written that. Eewwwww....
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rextrek • a month ago
Russell Moore looks like the grown up version of DAVEY - from Davey and Goliath sunday show we watched as kids........besides he's a douche too
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Ginger Snap > rextrek • a month ago
I remember that. I wasn't allowed to watch TV growing up and I used to sneak watch D&G thinking I was getting away with watching Saturday Cartoons it was on at like 5am where I grew up.
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Phil2u > rextrek • a month ago
OMG. I had forgotten that show. It came on before Falwell's "Old Time Gospel Hour" on some channel... from Roanoke, I think. I learned quite early to loathe Falwell.
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MB > Phil2u • a month ago
Davey and Goliath was produced by The Lutheran Church.
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BobSF_94117 • a month ago
All that money flowing into his grift instead of theirs... that's gotta rankle.
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safari2bongaloo • a month ago
Relevant to this discussion: Trump says very curious things about God, church and the Bible
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
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Bj Lincoln > safari2bongaloo • a month ago
He answered them like a politician. Never really answered the question. Just talked around it.
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
Will he stand up for the religious freedom of people that don't want to serve him then or does that still only apply to LGBT people?
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Houndentenor > Ninja0980 • a month ago
You don't see him calling for repealing all public accommodations laws, do you? They want a special carve out of the law so they can discriminate against gay and trans people or people they perceive to be either.
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GanymedeRenard • a month ago
As long as The Donald remains in his current marriage, he'll be considered an adulterer per the Buybull standards. So why did Kim Davis get a free pass on this, Right Reverend? Consistency, please.
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KnownDonorDad > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
The Donald isn't anti-gay enough.
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GanymedeRenard > KnownDonorDad • a month ago
Well there you go, key component!
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Gianni • a month ago
I'm really confused now. Young Mr. Falwell believes Trump is too good to be true and supports him wholeheartedly. This dude says things that make Trump sound like evil trash. Can't someone please clear this up for me? What does God say about Trump as a candidate? I need to hear God's word.
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roadtripboy • a month ago
He runs casinos. That's funny. I can't tell you how many southern baptist here drive up the mountain to NC to gamble at the Indian run casino.
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MrSkippy > roadtripboy • a month ago
Well clearly it's ok to GO to a casino, just not to OWN a casino.
Truth is this dude probably has some serious gambling debts so gambling is a sin. If he was up he'd be cool with it.
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BudClark • a month ago
Well, well, well ...
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Texndoc • a month ago
I was reading the big news at the end of the day will be he's actually gotten the fellow reality show monster Sarah Palin to fly to Iowa to endorse him. (Her flight was tracked from Alaska). Wonder how he managed that a$ if you have to a$k.
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D. J. • a month ago
"Dr." Russell Moore.....Yada, Yada, Yada.....
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Ben in Oakland • a month ago
Why do I have the feeling that the Baptists will be able to forgive tRump for being tRump-- divorces, adultery, greed, wealth, crudeness, gambling, and hair...
As they were able to forgive Mittens for being an apostate, Jesus and Satan are brothers, not really a Christian Mormon?
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Terry • a month ago
Trump has constantly been all over racist rhetoric, but WHERE is his economic policy?
Crickets...
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JCF • a month ago
Moore: Broken Clock Moment (but mainly, Infighting is FUNNY!)
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Terry • a month ago
He's got a point
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Theo McKinney • a month ago
Circle that firing squad, Teaple! We'll be right here when you're done...
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thatotherjean • a month ago
It's about time that some Evangelical leader noticed that Trump didn't meet the criteria for a Christian, much less an Evangelical. Now if he'll take a look at the other candidates, maybe all the Evangelicals can just stay at home on Election Day.
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Theo McKinney > thatotherjean • a month ago
Now wouldn't THAT be a tragedy...
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Gianni > Theo McKinney • a month ago
It's the sort of tragedy that I could cheer.
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Bill_Perdue • a month ago
The real problem with Trump is that he's a union busting pig.
And here is the real answer to Trump:
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U eat shit > Bill_Perdue • a month ago
fuck off
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Bill_Perdue > U eat shit • a month ago
Hi vorpal.
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MikeBx2 • a month ago
I wish they would have had Fallwell, Jr on to rebut him. According to Fallwell, Trump is just like Jesus.
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William • a month ago
Trump does in public what plenty of Baptists do in private.
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Phil2u > William • a month ago
Do you know why Baptists don't fuck standing up?
They're afraid they may get caught...and someone will think they were dancing.
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Todd20036 > William • a month ago
I got a very ugly connotation of what you just wrote.
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Sashineb > William • a month ago
Right, as this southern baptist resolution notes: http://www.sbc.net/resolutions...
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Phil2u • a month ago
Wow. Trump's courting of the Baptists in Lynchburg may backfire.
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Head Of Russian Orthodox Church: “Honest People” Join ISIS Because They’re Outraged About Pride Parades
January 17, 2016 Religion, Terrorism
According to Patriarch Krill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, “honest people” become terrorists because they’re outraged about gay pride parades. Pink News has the quote:
“What we are seeing now is this godless civilization is reaching maturity, in as much by through the will of the people, who proclaim it the highest of virtues but then wearing a cross is banned.
“We can have parades for the sexual minorities – that is supported, but a million French Christian protesters defending family values are broken up by police.
“If you call non-traditional relationships a sin, as the Bible teaches and you are a priest or pastor, then you risk not only your ability to serve but you may be sent to prison.
“I could offer more simply frightening examples of how the godless civilization is growing yet here they are drawing attention to young people being converted by extremists.
“Look how they build the world – an unholy world, but we invite you to build God’s world. And they respond to that; it is for this they give their lives.”
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bkmn • a month ago
If you have to make up lies like this your religion is bullshit.
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WebSlinger > bkmn • a month ago
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People4Humanity > WebSlinger • a month ago
Is your calendar scratch-n-sniff?
(... asking for a friend)
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MB > Shantell Sheehan • a month ago
Flagged !!!
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Nic Peterson > WebSlinger • a month ago
Oh Sweet Jesus! Reaches for coffee...
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GanymedeRenard > WebSlinger • a month ago
Disturbing - save the hyper-sexy men in the first and third pics (and I'm not talking about the ones in frocks).
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Todd20036 > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
Actually, that's kind of why I REALLY like the photos
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Librarykid > bkmn • a month ago
And you have to have a lot of nerve to say what he's saying in that getup.
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Nic Peterson > Librarykid • a month ago
That dress with that hat? What was she thinking?
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Stogiebear > Nic Peterson • a month ago
I am the prettiest Patriarch in Petrogorod,
I am the prettiest Patriarch in Petrogorod,
I am the prettiest Patriarch in Petrogorod,
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Snarkaholic > Stogiebear • a month ago
I feel pretty and witty and gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
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Gene > Stogiebear • a month ago
never name your child after a crustacean
douche head of Russian Church (actually a stake run propaganda wing, always has been,.,,even under the Czars) will do what his earthy master (Putin) tells him to.
Only an idiot would follow him, or listen to a thing this man who first sold his word to the communists as a young priest, and now to this dictator, has to say.
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clay > Nic Peterson • a month ago
House of Faberge
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perversatile > clay • a month ago
I had no Idea Versace did ecclesiastical drag
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perversatile > Nic Peterson • a month ago
"I saw it in the window and just had to have It!"
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Mark > perversatile • a month ago
Taking lessons from Aaron Schock?
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perversatile > Mark • a month ago
You have spent your life focusing on the wrong things.
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licuado de platano > perversatile • a month ago
I'm going to be seeing Carol Burnett perform live at the Chicago Theater in May!!!
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perversatile > licuado de platano • a month ago
You are in for a real treat.
The following is not one of my stories:
So true story: My friend owns a store in my town and Carol Burnett is
a regular (she’s pretty much a regular everywhere in Montecito because
it’s so small).
One time she was paying with her credit card and when my friend asked
her to sign the receipt, she looked aghast and said “Aren’t you going
to ask for my ID?”. My friend froze and kind of stood there in awkward
silence before saying “I know that you’re actually Carol Burnett. I
don’t need to see your ID”.
Carol persisted, “I think you should ask to see my ID!”
My friend, obviously not wanting to piss off Carol Burnett, said yes.
Carol handed my friend the card and it was a fake ID of her cat.
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Bj Lincoln > licuado de platano • a month ago
That's awesome! Have fun.
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rusty57 > perversatile • a month ago
Isn't this the Red Room in the White House after Jackie was finished with it?
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perversatile > rusty57 • a month ago
I don't know. It was my second choice ,
I couldnt find a good pic of Diana Vreeland's house
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DaveW > rusty57 • a month ago
I was thinking same, that looks like a room full of Launier-but I thought his red room suite had Eagles for cariatids-this is definitely the same period, and Russian state furniture is often early 19th in the French empire style, so who knows. I also remember inlaid Hepplewhite fans in the door panels, not visible here.
But it's too late for the Aaron shock reference, by a few hundred years (but downtown Abby is all wrong. Mr Fellows doesn't seem to care about period accuracy). Hubby and I watch movies while I scream "that candlestick couldn't exist in this story, it's too late!"
I struggle at home too, can't have the 15th c stuff near the 17th c stuff. I know, but it's my burdon to bear.
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Galvestonian > DaveW • a month ago
Yeah, I do the same thing but lest you forget quite a few big estates had generations of ancestors that all contributed something decorator wise to the estate. However if it's 1820 and they have a kerosine lamp on the table...well,I just have an attack of the vapors." Uncle Peter ...where are my smelling salts ?"
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perversatile > Galvestonian • a month ago
"... enameled silver vinaigrettes were much on display, pinned to a sash or suspended on a finely wrought chain. Many an evening was made lively by the theatrics of a well adorned Young Lady given cause to swoon..." -Mrs. Frances Trollope
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perversatile > DaveW • a month ago
Have you read Russell Lynes' The Tastemakers?
It 's a fairly dry discourse on the development of American Taste, both good and bad from the mid 19th century thru 1949 when the book was published. Despite being overly academic, some parts read like
Mr Blackwell's Worst Dresses List and Lynes often gets rather snarky and pontificates over things like, the inappropriate use of caryatids, wooden salad bowls, and the type of persons one finds in homes with green painted shutters. I highly recommend it
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charemor > Nic Peterson • a month ago
Luv that hat!!!!!!
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Duane Dimitrov > bkmn • a month ago
Religion is based on lies.
I mean, a millennia-old book of fairy tales? Really?
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NZArtist > bkmn • a month ago
The first bit: "If you have to make up lies like this..." is completely redundant.
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ExGayTherapyKills > bkmn • a month ago
Amen
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freshacconci • a month ago
And how many evangelicals in the West fully agree with that? And yet, I got attacked by bigots (right here at JMG!) for suggesting there's not much difference between ISIS and far-right Christians other than context.
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olandp > Guest • a month ago
That is exactly what the Dominionists want.
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StraightGrandmother > olandp • a month ago
Exactly, those Dominionsts are absolutly religiously based fascists
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Todd20036 > Guest • a month ago
The only reason why I wouldn't lump in extremist Jews is because there aren't enough of them to cause more than an isolated incident.
But as Shoebat can attest, if they could get away with it, they would.
And yes, I'm speaking of this as a Jew.
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licuado de platano > Todd20036 • a month ago
They might not be large enough where you live.
But the nutters currently hold a good chunk of Israel's governing coalition. And the demography all points in their direction.
In the U.S., the nutters have managed to take over and destroy the East Ramapo (NY) public school district.
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Ninja0980 > Guest • a month ago
They are... and that is what scares the hell out of me.
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Chucktech > Guest • a month ago
Maybe freshacconci means people like me.
Of course there's a huge fucking difference between the puerile silliness of christianism and the odious ghastly death cult of Islam.
Islam was born out of a difficult, desert, tribal, nomadic life. Food and water were scarce to non-existent. It was a life of conquest, domination, submission, revenge, barbarism and bellicosity. And while the Old Testament certainly started out this way, the New Testament was supposed to undo a lot of that. I'm not saying that it necessarily did, but the point is that the genesis of christianity had a moderating influence that Islam never had.
So, while christianity is awful and stupid and childish and superstitious and laughable, Islam is much much worse. (Note that I'm hardly saying all Muslims are bad, of course they are not).
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Nic Peterson > Chucktech • a month ago
I don't think fresh was referring to you. Having a religious belief doesn't make anyone a bad person, imposing that belief on others that do not wish to share it or injecting that belief into a system of governance is where reasonable people must draw the line.
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Chucktech > Chucktech • a month ago
And let me also add that while there are certainly vile christianists with death cult tendencies, right here in Uhmerikuh, Western Civilization isn't going to put up with that shit.
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Joseph Miceli > Chucktech • a month ago
To my mind, that is the ONLY difference. Christianity and Islam are equally barbaric and loathsome, it is only due to the Enlightenment and the triumph of science and reason in the West that we simply will not allow Christians to get away with the shit Muslims pull. It isn't that Christians don't want to be dicks, they just aren't given the opportunity.
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Thom Kulesa > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
Unfortunately, there is a huge trend towards undermining the value of science and reason in Christianity. Evidence is disparaged in favor of faith.
Even basic knowledge of history is up for grabs, because all they need is faith, for example, faith in the idiotic belief that the founding fathers all shared their particular beliefs with urgent fervor, and separation of church and state is a modern conspiracy that the founding fathers would never have proposed or approved.
Any argument against their beliefs, regardless of evidence is met with "well, I have faith that I'm right and you're wrong, and the bible tells me that I'm right." And, more and more, they are trying to push their religion into our laws and public policies. Into our public schools and curricula.
That that kind of anti-intellectualism has always been a strong strain in American Christianity, but it's getting worse in recent years, how different is Christianity, really?
I don't think it's that Christianity is different. I think that our secular laws and secular society constrain Christianity and prevent radical Christianity from becoming too similar to what we see in radical Islam. Don't give Christianity the credit. Give our secular society the credit.
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Joseph Miceli > Thom Kulesa • a month ago
If you think I give Christianity ANY credit, you have misread my work. I agree with you 100 percent. The only thing holding back the unwashed hordes of Christians is our secular society. Thank God for secular humanists!
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DaveW > Guest • a month ago
Yes but I think garden variet religion is bad too. Stupid people following obvious bullshit give legitimacy to the real crazies that do real harm. Don't give the NALT religion-lite crowd a pass, they are dangerous in their non thinking.
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CottonBlimp > Chucktech • a month ago
Christianity turned the barbarity of Judaism into a cult with a pure black and white mentality and the drive for world domination. Say what you will about the Old Testament, but the Jews didn't believe that Judaism had to control the whole world. They didn't believe that God was absolute and beyond question. They didn't believe that you could be forgiven for any hideous, horrible act as long as you pray to a Prophet for forgiveness.
Christians spent the next two thousand years committing genocide, and often against other Christians. In the whole history of the Roman empire, barely 3000 Christians were ever killed from persecution. Catholics killed 10,000 Protestants in a *single day* and painted a fresco in the Vatican to celebrate it. This was a massive riot carried out because Catholics were so pissed off that there hadn't been a religious war in Europe for a whole 3 years.
So how in the hell is that a moderating influence? Christianity didn't introduce kindness or love into religion, it just figured out how much better it looks to murder and rape behind a saccharine facade.
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gewaite > CottonBlimp • a month ago
I am so glad you want to get rid of religion's tax breaks; now please get rid of Sharpton from MSNBC-a token hire if there ever was one.
Why anyone should regard "Reverend" as a title of honor, not shame or contempt, is beyond me.
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CottonBlimp > gewaite • a month ago
Ehh, you're preaching to the choir there. Dunno if you've seen the Sharpton/Hitchens debates, but they show Sharpton to be a pretty nasty and dishonest man.
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gewaite > CottonBlimp • a month ago
But if anyone had been watching the Tawana Brawley fiasco, even briefly, they'd already have figured that out. Pity nobody ever calls him on any of this. Pathetic.
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Chucktech > CottonBlimp • a month ago
Look, they're both horrible, OK, But in the year 2016 on Planet Earth, Christianity's perfidy and ignominy and ghastliness are minuscule compared to unbridled, run-amok Islam.
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CottonBlimp > Chucktech • a month ago
That has fuck-all to do with Christian doctrine and everything to do with the fact that Europeans discovered how much more advanced classical society was before Christendom. Wealthy intellectuals have vehemently resented and opposed Christianity for this pretty consistently since the Renaissance.
The Arab world's heyday, on the other hand, was during the age of Islam. The fact that it was at a time when Islam was stable and moderate, and it was ripped apart thanks to Islamic fundamentalists is not a nuance your average Afghani goatherd is going to understand. The Muslim perspective is being constantly kicked around by modern secular civilization, whether it's your wedding being bombed in Iraq or you're just some ignorant kid experiencing racism growing up in a French Arab ghetto. It's a perspective that leads to a horrific lack of self-reflection.
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DaveW > Chucktech • a month ago
I disagree. Islam came a little after Christianity with similar political and scarcity realities. I think your analogy applies to how they work today. Christianity is moderated by civil society, which is lacking in the Middle East. It is their contemporary environment that makes them different.
Plus, the New Testament was massaged by PR people. The Koran was a revelation, one shot deal, less adjustment to appeal to more normal people. It seems "nicer". Don't be fooled!
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Chucktech > DaveW • a month ago
Great points, and I'm assuming you mean the New Testament seems nicer, certainly not the Koran, yes?
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rmthunter > Chucktech • a month ago
You must know even less about Islam than I do. I'd say that Islam and Christianity are about on a par as far as positive and negative messages are concerned.
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Joseph Miceli > Guest • a month ago
"anotherSteven" is a Christian apologist who would argue that.
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freshacconci > Guest • a month ago
No. One of them is here already.
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WebSlinger > freshacconci • a month ago
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goofy_joe > WebSlinger • a month ago
There is none.
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Chucktech > goofy_joe • a month ago
Sure there is.
The one on the right will be put down like the rabid dog she is if she attempts to pull any crazy christian/gun-goofy shit by civilization. The one on the right can run amok in her cesspool of a society.
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chicago dyke > Chucktech • a month ago
you really think all white xtian gun nuts who kill people go to jail?
you need to come visit my neighborhood. i'll show you the people with gunz the cops actually arrest.
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Chucktech > chicago dyke • a month ago
Actually, CD, most white assholes who pull out their AR15's and mow a bunch of people down, like this crazy christian on the right looks threatening to do, do, in fact, either go to jail or have their heads blown off, yes.
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Jafafa Hots > Chucktech • a month ago
I think she could end up with her head blown off simply due to a pressure breach at the neck gasket.
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goofy_joe > Chucktech • a month ago
Touché.
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Todd20036 > goofy_joe • a month ago
Trump would only fuck the one on the left.
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gewaite > goofy_joe • a month ago
The one on the left doesn't care if females drive, cover their hair or drink or consume pork products.
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CottonBlimp > WebSlinger • a month ago
Why can't these fuckwits ever meet each other? They should all be together in some backwards third-world no-man's-land, like Afghanistan or Kansas, shooting at each other over their books and flags, and instead us sane people have to deal with their bullshit.
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Joseph Miceli > CottonBlimp • a month ago
I'll drink to that!
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Beagle > WebSlinger • a month ago
One is showing more skin.
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Ben in Oakland > freshacconci • a month ago
There is a difference.
Far right Christians are restrained by secular law in the civilized world.
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another_steve > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
Yes, but the mindsets are 100 percent the same.
Different deities. Different vocabulary. Same mindset.
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Gianni > another_steve • a month ago
I agree. Only the criminal justice system in this and other advanced nations keeps gay people majorly safe from a segment of Christian society harming/offing us en masse. Whatever the particular religious beliefs, the mindset is basically the same. Hate what God says to hate; destroy, if possible, those hateful things/people.
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Ben in Oakland > another_steve • a month ago
Absolutely.
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cleos_mom > another_steve • a month ago
You're both right.
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DaveW > another_steve • a month ago
Actually same deities.
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Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
"Far right Christians are restrained by secular law in the civilized world."
No they aren't.
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/0...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.alternet.org/tea-pa...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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Ben in Oakland > Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild • a month ago
They are not able to murder us, and can no longer credibly call for prison. That's what I mean.
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Chucktech > Guest • a month ago
We'll see. "Religious Freedumb" laws are merely the beginning of the end, certainly in civilization, of christianist entitlement and privilege. It's a reactionary response to their ever-constricting world in which they wish they didn't live.
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Chucktech > Guest • a month ago
They grind slowly, those wheels o' justice, don't they?
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skeptical_inquirer > Guest • a month ago
People need to remember that women are having their rights to their bodies attacked all the time.
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rmthunter > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
You seem to assume that the Islamic world is uniform. Think of the trouble that countries such as Turkey and Egypt have had with religious extremists and trying to limit the influence of the most conservative religious elements. Granted, not always with great success, but then there are also countries like Russia, where the Orthodox Church wields major influence -- to the extent that Kiril can even bring Putin to heel. (And if you don't think Putin has been pandering to the religious conservatives in Russia, you haven't been paying attention.)
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Ben in Oakland > rmthunter • a month ago
I don't disagree with a word you say, but that wasn't my point.
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another_steve > freshacconci • a month ago
You get attacked for that? I get attacked for suggesting that there's a difference between far-right Christians and the average Sally or Joe in the pews, but I can't imagine anyone on JMG attacking anyone for suggesting what you say there in your comment.
I certainly agree with what you say there.
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freshacconci > another_steve • a month ago
One of them already responded. I'm not going to engage this time. It's futile. All you have to do is point out the hundreds (thousands?) of blacks lynched in US history by "good Christians" to see how far the right will go, even when supposedly constrained by "civilized" secular law.
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another_steve > freshacconci • a month ago
Sing it Louise.
If one of the really rabid theofascist Republicans -- Huckashit, for example -- were elected president, he would attempt to install the far-right Christian version of Sharia law in America in a heartbeat.
Separation of church and state would be in serious, serious jeopardy.
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PLAINTOM > another_steve • a month ago
Haven't ALL the GOP contenders attacked same sex marriage ?
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another_steve > PLAINTOM • a month ago
Yes, but Democrats have too. Some of them have "evolved" on the issue -- like President Obama.
After the November election, marriage equality will fade from the agenda of the far right. They'll use the issue until then to try and rouse their neanderthal base, but after November they'll divert all their fundraising apparatus to the reproductive freedom battle.
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StraightGrandmother > another_steve • a month ago
That's it.
You know a lot of people,even conservative ppl who are gay supported Winning the right to a Civil Marriage politically, if I am not mistaken Andrew Sullivan promoted that, they said we should win it politically because then it is more, " real" kind of like Sally Fields said when she won an academy award, " they Love me, they really do Love me."
I am glad we won Constitutionally because then there is no going back, no more torturous campaigns, no more hate votes. This issue will fade because there is nothing they can do about it and they know that. There is no way to garner up 3/4th of the States voting to change the U.S. Constitution, save a change of Justices of the Supreme Court changing and re- trying a new case this is a dead political issue.
The mashing down of Kim Davis, ha- ha sweetheart!
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another_steve > StraightGrandmother • a month ago
The real nightmare scenario, I think, is that one of the Republican theofascists -- Cruz, for example -- wins the election and gets the opportunity to replace two, maybe three, Supreme Court justices. It's not likely, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.
With five or more theocratically-minded justices, it's conceivable the Supreme Court would choose to reexamine Obergefell.
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Cackalaquiano > another_steve • a month ago
I think this is a real possibility too. We're NOT out of the woods yet.
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chicago dyke > another_steve • a month ago
i believe there are already what? five catholics on the court bench? and no avowed atheists whatsoever.
a thug president would make it worse, no doubt. but please, spare me on how only conservatives put religious people on the court.
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rmthunter > chicago dyke • a month ago
Six, if I'm not mistaken.
The only really rabid Catholic is Scalia, whom I habitually refer to as the Vatican's representative on the Supreme Court. Alito seems to be almost as extreme, but a lot quieter about it.
And a Cruz or even a Rubio is more likely to appoint a real religious wacko.
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Piet > rmthunter • a month ago
Roberts is as dedicated to Roman theology as Scalia, just quieter about it, like Alito.
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charemor > chicago dyke • a month ago
Five or six are Catholic and the rest are Jewish. What aren't Bible thumping, fundamentalist evangelical heads exploding?
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Gustav2 > StraightGrandmother • a month ago
Andrew Sullivan is only indicative of Andrew Sullivan. ;-)
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freshacconci > PLAINTOM • a month ago
They wouldn't have made it this far if they did.
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rmthunter > another_steve • a month ago
If you look at the history of Christianity in Europe before the Renaissance, it's one long struggle between the Church and the secular rulers over who was going to wield the supreme authority. Just think of Henry VIII, and a long series of Holy Roman Emperors.
Christians, if they're True Believers, don't believe in the separation of church and state. Even that chapter in Romans (Romans 13, if I remember correctly) that says to obey the government, says you should obey the government because God put it in power.
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another_steve > rmthunter • a month ago
Power corrupts. In all realms of the human experience, religion included. Secular government is a threat to the power of institutional religion. Always has been.
Most people in the pews and on the prayer rugs are into reaching out and communing with what they perceive as the glorious, unspeakable transcendent. They're not into power struggles.
Discerning observers differentiate between the Pat Robertsons and the earnest seekers.
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Merv99 > another_steve • a month ago
"Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, "
Factor out the non-religious, and it's pushing 60%. No, average Sally or Joe in the pews *is* a far right Christian.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155...
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another_steve > Merv99 • a month ago
You're apparently unable to differentiate between what people believe and what they do. That's common here on JMG.
American Catholics, for example, believe all kinds of things you and I might think are silly -- but poll after poll indicates that the majority of them are not rabidly anti-gay and in fact support treating LGBT people fairly. Those folks won't (and didn't) vote against marriage equality when given the opportunity.
I could not care less what people believe. All of us have crazy beliefs of one kind or another.
I care only about what people do.
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Gianni > another_steve • a month ago
I believe we all know that the vast majority of Christians would not support any kind of physical attacks/remedies to what may be considered the 'homo problem', even though the mouthpieces cry about the total destruction of the US because of us. However, even though most bear no ill will against us for being gay, they will vote overwhelmingly Republican even though the candidates, by far and large, have publicly called for the reversal of equal rights and don't support anti-discrimination laws/policies. I still feel the weight of the religious gay-grudge.
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rmthunter > Gianni • a month ago
Most of those voters are not voting on gay rights -- quite frankly, it's an issue that's not on most people's radar, no matter the constant noise from the usual suspects.
Although I have to admit, I can't figure out why anyone would vote for a Republican these days. (This, from someone who routinely split his ticket until Dubyah. Although I never voted for a Republican for president.)
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Gianni > rmthunter • a month ago
You are absolutely right. I bugs me, though, that I have family members who are fundies and treat me lovingly and with respect. Being gay isn't an issue for us; I just don't like that it is a subject that is avoided by them. Knowing what the Rep candidates say about gay people and constantly bang the drum about the horrors of gay marriage and equal treatment of gay people, they will happily vote Republican and never give a thought about the denigration of me as a gay person. I can't help but feel somewhat insulted and not as respected as I'd like to think.
I, too, used to split my votes until Dubbya! Interesting. :)
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Joseph Miceli > Gianni • a month ago
You just described my family. They love me, I know they do, but they routinely vote Republican.
I can't figure it out.
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DaveW > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
It's money, for all the people you describe. Money over values. Honestly I struggle with this too I like half what the dens believe. Not the half about taking my money and giving it away. I give to charity for that. I know lots of people on the dole. Probably more than half could find work. It's that simple. I would be/am for supporting those that struggle. I simply know personally dozens who don't struggle, they take advantage. Charitable groups can see this, not government programs
Bernie and free university for example. "It works in Europe". No it does not. Bernie would waste a lot of that money on kids that would do better in trade school. No commitment education doesn't work when
Many don't need it
Yes, in Europe some of the best schools are nearly free-Maastricht etc. but only elite kids go. In Germany the rest learn a trade-and look at their manufacturing sector, the envy of the west. That is why the dens get it wrong. Gimme stuff for votes, doesn't work.
Republican, vote for bigotry and borrow-and-spend on defense. It's a Sophie's choice.
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Joseph Miceli > DaveW • a month ago
I do not agree with the picture you paint of Dems, but I do understand and agree with one major thing that you wrote: Americans are a generous people. The vast majority are not against giving their fellow Americans a helping hand. The problem is that NO ONE WANTS TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF! I know I don't.
As for taking your money and giving it away, if you are in the 1 percent then congrats! We are most certainly coming for your ill gotten gains and we will be raiding your offshore accounts. If you aren't in the one percent then I don't think you have much to worry about.
I don't think it is Sophie's choice to choose compassion over the Military /Industrial/Financial complex. I think the choice is clear.
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another_steve > Gianni • a month ago
I don't know for a fact that the majority of American Christians vote Republican, Gianni. Certainly the Christian theofascists that Joe focuses on on this blog, yes -- but I'd like to see statistics regarding American Christians in general.
The American Episcopal Church was just sanctioned by the greater worldwide Anglican community for the former's embracing of marriage equality. Polls have shown, repeatedly, that American Catholics are, for the most part, not homophobes.
I think we need to be careful about gross generalizations without facts to support them.
(P.S. I personally am neither a theist nor a Christian.)
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Gianni > another_steve • a month ago
True, I don't know either if a majority of Christians would vote Republican, but with the way the Rep candidates kiss up to the religiously minded voters, I do feel that it's a safe bet. I should have been more clear in my statement.
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Merv99 > another_steve • a month ago
I care a lot about what people believe, because what people believe is highly correlated to what people do, and in a democratic republic that has important regarding which candidates they vote for. And even if many American Catholics don't vote for anti-gay ballot initiatives or anti-gay politicians, their money goes to a church that actively supports both, in the US and around the world.
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another_steve > Merv99 • a month ago
Your and my tax dollars went to supporting Bush the Idiot's criminal war in Iraq. Your and my tax dollars will go to the Secret Service protection of whichever monster emerges as the Republican candidate for President.
The "their money goes to supporting evil" argument is glib and superficial, at best.
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chicago dyke > another_steve • a month ago
no, it's not.
you and i have no choice but to pay our taxes. paying taxes is also a social and moral good.
EVERYONE has a choice to not give the catholic kiddie raping organization their money, support, or votes for politicians the church supports.
that, my friend, is the difference. i really cannot understand people who defend, attend or support a known pedophile protection organization that also hates women.
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another_steve > chicago dyke • a month ago
We certainly do have a choice when it comes to paying taxes. We can leave the U.S. and not support what is frequently a corrupt and unjust government. Instead, we choose to remain here and attempt to reform from the inside that which can be reformed.
Good-willed people of faith do the same within their places of worship.
Your anger and wounded-ness prevent you from seeing that, cd -- but that happens to be the truth.
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DaveW > another_steve • a month ago
Leave church = become stateless. Your just digging a hole, that was really stupid.
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Joseph Miceli > another_steve • a month ago
Because choosing to not go to church and choosing to reject your citizenship and emigrate are ...the same thing. Got it. Right.
You didn't do very well in debate class, did you?
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DaveW > another_steve • a month ago
Oh my how wrong. I must give taxes. They choose to donate. That is a very tired immature view you promote.
Catholics voluntarily join and donate. They are 100% responsible for what the cult does with their money. We vote for people who then choose what to do. If our people loos, we still must support the government
This is obvious, no? Glib and superficial? Not sure is that projecting? It's certainly wrong.
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rmthunter > Merv99 • a month ago
I think that says more about our educational system than about the strength of the beliefs of most Christians.
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The Milkman > freshacconci • a month ago
This.
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goofy_joe > freshacconci • a month ago
Agree, must have been trolls. I think most people here agree that far-right Christians aren't much different from ISIS...with the exception that they live in a country with a robust police force and laws that would stop them from beheading people or tossing them off buildings.
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freshacconci > goofy_joe • a month ago
No, I hate say it, but some were regulars who happen to be bigots when it comes to Muslims (I won't say "racists" because then they jump on me with the semantic bullshit of "Islam isn't a race").
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goofy_joe > freshacconci • a month ago
It does irk me when in conversation there are blanket statements said about the Muslim people, as if all of them are bad. If that were true, with the number they have, we'd all be dead already.
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Merv99 > goofy_joe • a month ago
Muslims are overwhelmingly very conservative, and statistically only a small percentage are gay supportive. That's just a fact. There are a handful of prominent liberal Muslims, but really damn few. Most are the enemies of gay people, and it's time we acknowledge that.
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goofy_joe > Merv99 • a month ago
You comment beautifully illustrates my comment above.
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Merv99 > goofy_joe • a month ago
And yet, everything I said was true, and I didn't use the word "all" once. I'm not sure what your complaint is.
Are you a fan of Islam?
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goofy_joe > Merv99 • a month ago
Oh sweetie...you don't have to use the word "all" when you begin a sentence:
"Muslims are overwhelmingly very conservative..." When you word the sentence like that, the implied meaning is 'all'.
It's amazing how often I have to explain English to the people commenting on this board.
As far as your last comment is concerned, I'm not a fan of any religious organization, but I also choose to not fear them because we all know what Yoda said about fear.
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Merv99 > goofy_joe • a month ago
Turkey is often considered the most liberal and secular of majority-Muslim nations. Gay sex has been legal there since 1858. Even in Turkey, polls show that 80% oppose same-sex marriage. By most standards, 80% is overwhelming. Then there are countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and ISIS, where I doubt they have even bothered asking the question.
http://www.iha.com.tr/haber-tu...
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Chucktech > Merv99 • a month ago
But by the same token, let's also acknowledge that most Muslims, certainly all peace-loving Muslims, are cafeteria Muslims. Indeed, I'd say, like cafeteria christians, are not true to their religious dogma.
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Merv99 > Chucktech • a month ago
There are good people who are Muslims. Usually the best people are the worst Muslims.
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GanymedeRenard > freshacconci • a month ago
Legit question: exactly how is saying that Islam isn't a race a semantic bullshit?
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freshacconci > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
It's semantic bullshit when someone says it after being called out for racism. If you hate Muslims you're a racist (and yes, there are some "white" Muslims but the majority are not).
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GanymedeRenard > freshacconci • a month ago
You do realize that criticizing Islam as a religion/ideology is not the same as hating on Muslims, and that criticizing Muslims is not the same as having a racial prejudice against the many ethnicities that have Islam as their majoritarian religion, correct?
Per your logic, can you be called a racist if you criticize Christianity (it's a quite widespread religion whose faithful come in many ethnicities, you know) or Christians? Are you a racist if you dislike the TENANTS of Hinduism, taking into account that most Hindus are from India? If so, your definition of racism differs greatly from the general understanding of the term.
You're probably associating Islam with the Middle East - hence your "racism" objection. Well, if that's the case, let me remind you, if I may, that the Middle East isn't the home of one single ethnic group, but of many (Sephardis, Ashkenazis, Samarians, Arameans, Arabs, Assyrians, Persians, Azeris, Druzes, Berbers, Bedouins, Pashtuns, Turkmans, Caucasians, Kurds, etc.). And, did you know that the country with the largest Muslim population in the world is in Southeast Asia, i.e., Indonesia?
To say that a person who criticizes Islam has a racial bias against ALL those ethnicities is ludicrous to say the least.
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freshacconci > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
I didn't say someone who criticizes Islam is a racist or that Islam is above criticism. I am talking about Islamophobia, those that hold responsible all Muslims for the actions of some; those that refer to Muslims, as a whole, as barbarians, or less-than-human; that Islam as a religion on the whole promotes, in its very theology, the kind of violence we see coming from ISIS; and that Islam is incompatible with Western values. And yes, I've heard those kinds of comments from a few on JMG -- fortunately not too many. My comment about the term "racism" refers specifically to the attempt to shut down an argument by stating that Islam isn't a race, so therefore the person speaking is not racist. I mean racism as a hatred towards the Other. Racism is of course a construct and "race" doesn't exist as it is based on Victorian classification systems that were in fact racist. My own personal use of the word racist is that it is synonymous with bigotry. Others do not see that and I usually use the word bigotry to avoid semantic arguments.
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GanymedeRenard > freshacconci • a month ago
How do you reconcile "If you hate Muslims you're a racist" with "I didn't say someone who criticizes Islam is a racist"?
Islamophobia is not different from "Christianophobia" (as far as I know, nobody's said here that just because you're Muslim you're barbarian or less-than-human.
Again, Islam isn't a "race". Therefore, by definition, no one who's suspicious of Islam can be a "racist".
The "Other" is a blanket sheet to describe anything or anyone you're not. You CANNOT call a racist a person who's against women's rights - they're called misogynists. And you CANNOT call a racist a person who's against LGBT rights - they're called homophobes.
You cannot call a homophobe a person who's a xenophobe just because they both come from a place of bigotry. "Racist" is NOT synonymous with "bigot". And no, you're not avoiding semantic arguments with this. On the contrary, you're calling for them.
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freshacconci > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
Hatred and criticism are very different things. Someone who hates Muslims is a racist. And yes, I am avoiding semantic argument rather than calling for them as I explained, whenever I used the term racist, the other person attempted to "win" the argument by crying the Islam-isn't-a-race thing. And yes, there have been comments that did say exactly those things, thus my comment about being attacked in previous discussions. And no, the Other is in relation to privilege, the Other to white, male, Western privilege. It's not a blanket term to describe anything you're against. That's not how it works. I honestly don't understand what you're saying in the first sentence of the last paragraph.
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GanymedeRenard > freshacconci • a month ago
NO. Someone who "hates" Muslims is not a racist, in the same manner as someone who "hates" Christians is not a racist. And no, you're not avoiding a semantic argument: the minute you're conflating race and religion, you're necessarily engaging in semantics.
I've yet to read someone on here that HATES Muslims. I've read, yes (and with reason), many comments that criticize Islam's tenants or its radical faithful.
Again, the Other ISN'T a "race". Assuming you're a man, If you said that women are inferior to men, would you be considered a racist? NO, you'd be considered a misogynist! There are specific terms for each type of bigotry!
"Racist" is NOT a blanket term for those who "hate" the Other! That's not how it works. I can happily recommend you some books on alterity as a philosophical/anthropological concept.
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Joseph Miceli > freshacconci • a month ago
I despise Islam as the religion of barbarians, and I despise Christianity as the religion of fools. So, does that make me racist? LOL! Here, this is for you!
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freshacconci > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
Do you hate Muslims as people?
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Joseph Miceli > freshacconci • a month ago
Muslims are not "a people." The farmer in Indonesia is different from the housewife in India and the college professor in Australia. They are not an ethnic group. Islam is a belief system and I find it to be an appalling one. Just as Christianity is filled with magical thinking and illogical barbaric bullshit, Islam has silly rocks in Mecca, people riding horses into Heaven and crap about Jihad and slavery and all kinds of nonsense.
I do not hate anyone. Your average Muslim is just like anyone else, chasing the next dollar and trying to feed their kids. I despise religion, but thank you for asking.
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freshacconci > Joseph Miceli • a month ago
That's why I asked. A racist hates Muslims as people. Criticizing religion is different.
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DaveW > freshacconci • a month ago
I agree with that. We have Anglicans here that think there version of the hate thy neighbor cult is better because they get PR. Religion is for stupid people.
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Blake Jordan • a month ago
So the freedom of LGBTs causes straight people to become mass murders and rapists, so those straight people have no free will not to become monsters?
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clay > Blake Jordan • a month ago
not according to the Orthodox Church.
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bkmn > Guest • a month ago
The one with the vibrating butt plug?
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Bluto • a month ago
go fuck yourself, asswipe.
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skeptical_inquirer > Bluto • a month ago
That's pretty hilarious. I now wish Bill Maher would say that on air. (I can't think of anybody else who'd say that on TV)
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GanymedeRenard > oikos • a month ago
Oh, but then they'd be quick to tell you, "your reason offends my religion". It's next to impossible to try to reason with the irrationality they espouse.
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NZArtist > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
So don't try reason. Laugh at them. Call them crazy. Make sure other people see you laughing at them. Disempower the idea that religion is a valid lifestyle choice.
Make it 'uncool' to be religious. And above all, do *not* 'respect' their madness.
You are right - you absolutely cannot reason with religious people. There's not point, don't even try. Ridicule the shit outta them instead.
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CQCQCQ • a month ago
If Jesus Christ was real, he'd come back to Earth for the sole purpose of beating the shit out of assholes like that.
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Phillip in L.A. > Guest • a month ago
Here's how you say it in Russian, JB:
Распроеби твою мать! И твои брови!
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Steverino • a month ago
He's a soft sofa with the impression of Brian Brown's fat ass all over him.
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Cuberly > Steverino • a month ago
And a very gaudy sofa at that.
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perversatile > Cuberly • a month ago
Take the "Am I a Sofa?" Test Challenge
tufted- check
poofed- check
ruched- check
passementerie fringe skirt- check
decorative gold ormolu- check
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Stogiebear > perversatile • a month ago
All it's missing is the hermetically sealed plastic cover....
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perversatile > Stogiebear • a month ago
Take the "Who Are My People" Test challenge.
'The furniture in my Grandmother's house is covered in-
-Clear Vinyl
-Frosted Vinyl
-Floral Embossed Vinyl
-Gold Sparkle Vinyl
-18th Century Gold And Cream Striped Peau De Soie
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Ben in Oakland • a month ago
So gay people, not bothering anyone but the homo-obsessed, are so awful that we cause heterosexuals and God botherers to commit mass murder and rape.
What is his explanation for the 20 million murdered by Stalin, who made an agreement with the Orthos not to bother each other?
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shellback • a month ago
Honey, with a drag like that, you could be queen of the pride parade.
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Paula > shellback • a month ago
What is it with these people and big hats?
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People4Humanity > Paula • a month ago
Does this ass-hat make my butt look big?
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Elsewhere1010 > People4Humanity • a month ago
Fanciest weighted ball-bag ever.
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shellback > Paula • a month ago
...and flaming accessories.
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People4Humanity > shellback • a month ago
Don't talk about his altar-boys like that!
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Wynter Marie Starr > Paula • a month ago
They hide their weirdly small heads that don't have the same brain capacity of regular folks.
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perversatile > Paula • a month ago
God loves Hats
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radiofreerome > shellback • a month ago
I've never seen a Russian Orthodox priest who didn't seem to be suffering from advanced alcoholism and terminal pubic lice.
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DaddyRay > shellback • a month ago
He is probably upset that they won't approve a parade for his fellow child molesting priests
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Blake Jordan • a month ago
I wonder how many children he has molested...
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b > Blake Jordan • a month ago
The more homophobic they are, the weirder they are; the more they are trying to hide.
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freshacconci > Blake Jordan • a month ago
Blessed. The word he uses is "blessed".
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BobSF_94117 > Blake Jordan • a month ago
Nah... this one's in it for the bling.
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Blake Jordan > BobSF_94117 • a month ago
It could be both, maybe he likes to rape children in nice places...
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Merv99 > Guest • a month ago
But, Christians don't think that the Bible got slavery wrong. They think that the US got slavery wrong. I've debated several Christians online, and that's the position they always take.
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Ninja0980 • a month ago
For the trolls that want to keep screaming about gays being thrown off rooftops by the big bad Muslims in Syria or hanged in Iran, I notice you never say anything about the acts of violence against LGBT people in Russia.
Maybe it's because in Russia, it is in fact Christians who are fanning the flames of violence and brutality against LGBT people and not Muslims, this statement being the latest example of that.
There is no reason to say something like this unless you want to put targets on the back of LGBT people, which is exactly what is happening to LGBT people in Russia.
They are being tortured, they are being murdered and the ROC is gleefully encouraging more and more of it.
There is no difference between Christian and Islamic extremists when it comes to us, they all want us dead, simple as that.
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Cosmo Tupper • a month ago
Did he just endorse genocide?
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PLAINTOM > Cosmo Tupper • a month ago
And sounded envious of ISIS.
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Bad Tom > Cosmo Tupper • a month ago
Yes.
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Chucktech > Cosmo Tupper • a month ago
Alas, if the world would just kill homos, all this ghastly, godly ISIS shit would come too a screaming, god-besotted halt.
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KnownDonorDad • a month ago
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goofy_joe • a month ago
We gays sure are powerful creatures. We create floods, hurricanes, famine, quakes...and now...we are responsible for ISIS!! If we are as powerful as say...their god...why aren't they fearing and worshiping us?
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Bad Tom > goofy_joe • a month ago
They should at least give us stuff.
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No burnt offerings though. The odor is not pleasing.
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That_Looks_Delicious > Bad Tom • a month ago
What about if they do sage- or jasmine-scented?
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Bad Tom > That_Looks_Delicious • a month ago
We should reconsider.
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Paula • a month ago
I wonder how many little boys this friggin' smelly, nasty Santa Claus looking creep has duggared?
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme • a month ago
Where are the Krill-eating whale sharks when you need them??
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KnownDonorDad > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • a month ago
Whale sharks are awesome.
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cleos_mom > KnownDonorDad • a month ago
The one at the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta was the biggest animal I've ever seen.
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KnownDonorDad > cleos_mom • a month ago
Largest animal I've seen is a fin whale, but it was at quite a distance out on the ocean.
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Phillip in L.A. > Claude Jacques Bonhomme • a month ago
My first thought, too.
But this may be an error in transcription--the Russian name "Kirilla" or "Kirill" is very common, but I have never heard of anyone called "Krill"
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Claude Jacques Bonhomme > Phillip in L.A. • a month ago
Yup! In English, he'd be Cyril.
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People4Humanity • a month ago
I have seen the word "asshat" used s0 many times on JMG.
Ultimately, today, I had to look it up. You may be as astonished as *I* was:
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GanymedeRenard > People4Humanity • a month ago
LOL
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Michael Rush • a month ago
You'll never meet a person who does as the Bible instructs them , it isn't possible as the book constantly contradicts itself , I used to have some tolerance for religious beliefs but i can't even take anyone seriously anymore .
Only an idiot would want to belong to a religion that would have Patriarch Krill as a leader .
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cleos_mom > Michael Rush • a month ago
If some of the Old Testament lawbooks are any indication, it would be impossible. Not many temples anymore to take an unblemished lamb or goat kid for sacrifice.
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rabbit_ears • a month ago
Krill, isn't that a fish whales eat? Toss the holy man into a whale and see if his god saves him this time.
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Paula > rabbit_ears • a month ago
I thought the Krill were the mortal enemies of the Klingon Empire.
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canoebum > Paula • a month ago
Forbidden Planet.
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David L. Caster > canoebum • a month ago
Those were the Krell.
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canoebum > David L. Caster • a month ago
oops...
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rabbit_ears > Paula • a month ago
Certainly appears to be our mortal enemy too. Long live the Klingon Empire!
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Soren456 > rabbit_ears • a month ago
It is Kirill. The head has a typo.
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Phillip in L.A. > Soren456 • a month ago
That's what I thought, too. See my comment upstream.
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GanymedeRenard > rabbit_ears • a month ago
Well, it seemed to work with Jonah. But then again, he was a fictive character, no more real than Jack and his magic beans.
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zhera • a month ago
Hang on. Is he putting himself on the same side as ISIS? Is he saying that joining ISIS is better than being godless?
This guy would lose his head so fast he wouldn't know what hit him, if he tried to talk to ISIS people.
And hey, Krill! That's some mighty fine spin on events that DID NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY. Not that lying for Christ is a sin or anything, right?
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GanymedeRenard > zhera • a month ago
Not only that. He's defending the Neo-Nazi-supported Manif por Tous in France.
He's implicitly backing the infamous, rabidly homophobe Vitali Milanov, the Russian member of the Duma who loathes us (the author of the "anti-gay propaganda" law, which emboldens the thugs who constantly assault our bretherin in Moscow and other big cities).
He seems to be justifying the far-Right Pegida movement in Germany.
This Krill is no better than an ayatollah or a mullah. Ugh!
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Phillip in L.A. > GanymedeRenard • a month ago
Is Milanov now in the Duma? iirc, he was a city-council member or municipal legislator for St. Petersburg when he was last in the news
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GanymedeRenard > Phillip in L.A. • a month ago
My bad. He's a member of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg - he's never been a member of the federal Duma. Sorry for the confusion.
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skeptical_inquirer > zhera • a month ago
Seriously, he's a non-Muslim and would be instantly beheaded on TV as a major coup. Also, that is some serious batshittery considering his best friend Putin is already having problems with Chechens and would be pooing in his pants if they as a people joined ISIS.
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JT • a month ago
Since when did Gene Hackman become a christofascist nut?
Patmyass Krill is aptly named after a tiny crustacean eaten by whales.
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Wynter Marie Starr • a month ago
Wow, and here I was thinking that the reason people joined ISIS was because of abortion. Or feminists. Or liberals. Or democracy. Or McDonalds. Or…
Sociopaths may need a reason to kill, but these people would join ISIS if they passed gas.
Good try, but anyone with two brain cells to rub together gets the fact that you are a big fat lying liar who lies to push your own bigotry and hatred.
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Silver Badger • a month ago
The Orthodox Church in Russia has been pretty much ignored as they have long been a tool of the Russian Government.
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Chucktech > Silver Badger • a month ago
And, post USSR, what an effective and useful Russian tool it has been!
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itsjoe618 • a month ago
Considering we supposedly cause all manner of natural disasters I guess it's only natural we'd cause terrorist extremism, too. I mean what CAN'T we do!???? <snark>
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Dan M • a month ago
Asshat
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People4Humanity > Dan M • a month ago
Asshat. huh.
I have seen that word everywhere for the longest time.
NOW I know its definition!
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Sk3ptic > People4Humanity • a month ago
Well, in this orientation I'm reminded more of a fancy scrote warmer.
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Mark • a month ago
Santa Clause does drag?? I had no idea!
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JaniceInToronto • a month ago
He is not really relevant if he can't stop his followers from joining ISIS.
Useless bastard.
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Silver Badger > JaniceInToronto • a month ago
As Russian Orthodox are Christian, It shouldn't be that hard to keep his followers from joining the Muslims. If they do, the failure is on HIS head.
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Gerry Fisher • a month ago
...said the crusty fuck face bigot in bad, over-the-top drag.
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Bad Tom • a month ago
You know, Patriarch Krill, there aren't very many Gay Pride Parades in Syria.
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical, not a gay publication. The Kosher market attacked in the same incident catered to a Jewish clientele. The Eagles of Death Metal isn't a gay glam rock band, either.
And most of the people beheaded by ISIL are other Muslims.
The people who become terrorists are asshole fanatics like you.
You're doing a pretty good job of stochastic terrorism right now.
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freshacconci > Bad Tom • a month ago
And I'm sure he's totally fine with the brutal attacks on gays in Russia. Not a huge leap to organized murder by those good Orthodox Christians.
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GanymedeRenard > Bad Tom • a month ago
There you go with your pesky facts again.
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Ritorna Vincitor • a month ago
With the Nazis it was the Jews. With the Russian Orthodox Church it is the gays.
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Phillip in L.A. > Ritorna Vincitor • a month ago
The Nazis killed quite a few gays, too!
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That_Looks_Delicious > Phillip in L.A. • a month ago
And gypsies.
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Taleisin • a month ago
He reminds me of the polish priest who recently said that Lego is satanic for having zombie characters. He is obviously against the idea of people coming back from the dead. Like say, Jesus.
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Cackalaquiano • a month ago
Well we knew we were going to get blamed for terrorism too, right? If conservatives ever get around to believing in climate change, we'll get the blame for that too.
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Friday > Cackalaquiano • a month ago
Oh, they've been doing tha already, and had been setting up for it a long time.
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Tom G • a month ago
Says the bearded man in a fucking dress.
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Steven Leahy • a month ago
These people outfits and hats make the Roman Catholics' look positively drab by comparison.
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skeptical_inquirer > Steven Leahy • a month ago
It is pretty amazing what religion can do to make people hand wave some seriously unusual sartorial choices. Nobody would dare go to secular work like that.
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That_Looks_Delicious > Steven Leahy • a month ago
There's actually an entire blog devoted to bad vestments, here:
http://badvestments.blogspot.c...
Some of the photos are mind-blowing. These are two of my favorites.
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cleos_mom > That_Looks_Delicious • a month ago
A Komen cleric; no doubt of the anti-PP tribe.
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GanymedeRenard > Steven Leahy • a month ago
Tacky ponchos included. XD
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Silver Badger • a month ago
So many lies.
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Gustav2 • a month ago
Mr Trump, are you going to ban Orthodox immigrants?
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DaddyRay > Gustav2 • a month ago
But then he might not be able to get his next mail-order bride
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PLAINTOM > Gustav2 • a month ago
Why would he ? Putin endorsed Trump.
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Michael Rush • a month ago
There's a man with his finger on the pulse of world events .
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freshacconci > Michael Rush • a month ago
His finger is somewhere...
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TheSeer • a month ago
Russia is a barbaric, savage and corrupted cesspool of a nation.
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BudClark > TheSeer • a month ago
c.f. Rasputin ...
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Taleisin > TheSeer • a month ago
Always has been.
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skeptical_inquirer • a month ago
I swear a 70s science fiction movie clothes designer is making their clothes.
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Gil > skeptical_inquirer • a month ago
See Flash Gordon (1980), costumes and production design by the stupendous Danilo Donati.
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Robert Conner • a month ago
Love the hat. Gaudy and tasteless, but at the same time projects the aura of money and crazy. Sadly, they have to keep it inside--the last time the Patriarch wore it in a public procession, a babushka fainted in her pig sty and was eaten by the hogs.
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Richard B • a month ago
The sanctimonious self serving old fool is lamenting that if he can't control your sexuality, he won't be able to control you or your pocketbook.
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coram nobis • a month ago
Wild outfit. Religious types go for that, don't they?
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William > coram nobis • a month ago
I couldn't find the Cardinal Burke/The Lady in Red, so this will have to do.
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coram nobis > William • a month ago
There's also the one in which he's wearing puffy red chiffon, often posted on this site. In your picture he looks like the Spanish Inquisition from Monty Python.
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Stev84 > coram nobis • a month ago
http://amultiverse.com/wp-cont...
http://amultiverse.com/comic/2...
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Ragnar Lothbrok • a month ago
When are they going to start selling " Don't Lag - Hate A Fag " buttons ?
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CottonBlimp • a month ago
Godless society is reaching maturity, and the worst thing you can say about it is that it doesn't hate all the people you do.
Meanwhile, religious societies are beheading people.
I think that makes our society better, you tacky gold-encrusted human dildo.
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CottonBlimp > CottonBlimp • a month ago
I'm intensely curious why this post got downvotes.
It's a shame there's not a way to find out who downvoted you so you can at least know if you're pissing off trolls or somebody worth listening.
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ayzach • a month ago
someone should remind this priest that ISIS hates and kills Christians just as likely as they do homosexuals. ISIS wouldn't hesitate to butcher him, despite the fact they share a dislike towards gays
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Necessitas • a month ago
Belief in God is but a license to hate.
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Orion Dumptee • a month ago
3 carnations ? He muz' be moonlitin as a floorwalker at Macys
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Natty Enquirer • a month ago
Gangster with a cross.
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GuestStop • a month ago
Bitch, you're wearing a solid-gold dress and you have the nerve to lecture me about being virtuous?
If Jeebus was real, your ass would be the first on the chopping block.
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Macbill • a month ago
He must get messages from god with that web of gold he has upon his head. Because his god talks to money.
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Robert Conner > Macbill • a month ago
The cross at the top is an antenna that spreads the "good news" of Jesus through the gold wires.
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TallBearNC • a month ago
“If you call non-traditional relationships a sin, as the Bible teaches and you are a priest or pastor, then you risk not only your ability to serve but you may be sent to prison."
I don't know of any single country in the world that sends priest for pastors to jail for objecting to same-sex marriage, gay people, or pride parades. I think this guy is basically full of shit and lying through his teeth, and if I could speak Russian, I would email him and let him know that
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rmthunter > TallBearNC • a month ago
Of course he's lying. The Patriarch of the Orthodox Church, like any high-ranking prelate of any church, is a politician first.
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Ben in Oakland > TallBearNC • a month ago
Google translate. It will be close enough today FUCK YOU.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
you talk like a ghetto rat. clean up your language...please
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Ben in Oakland > desertpatriot • a month ago
You misunderstood me, and the typo, Which I didn't see, didn't help matters.
The fuck you was not to you, but to the asshole the article is about.
My apologies.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
apology accepted. but please, does the world need more f-bombs thrown about in our everyday conversations? i think not
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Ben in Oakland > desertpatriot • a month ago
You may be right about the f-bombs.
On the other Hand, I am sick to death of the hyper religious and people who should know better, trying to blame gay people for every defect in the human race, every problem caused by other people, and every bit of sickness in their own world.
Aren't you?
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
no. it's when the homosexual militants demanded...
-they be allowed to marry
-they be given civil rights protection and be allowed to sue those who refuse to do business with them
...is when they crossed the line
note: i've never be a strong proponent of organized religion (religious whack-jobs give me the creeps) but because of the current policies they have my full support
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Ben in Oakland > desertpatriot • a month ago
So now the real picture emerges.
How dare we demand the same rights accorded to formicating adulterous Newtie, three times married. It's just too much for us to say that our lives, loves, families, children, faith. Freedom and assets are every bit as important as his or yours.
How dare we claim civil rights protections to protect us from discrimination on the basis of religious belief. That's only for you.
They and you can do whatever you like to us, because we're just fags, and they are what. Oh yes, religious whack jobs.
And obviously, you agree with this Russian bigot and his bigot religion. Obviously, it doesn't give you too many creeps.
So, you may consider my apology rescinded.
fuck you.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
and the conversation was going so well...sigh ;>(
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Ben in Oakland > desertpatriot • a month ago
Darktpwn. Militant homosexuals...demanding civil rights.
You are what's known as a piece of work.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
but homosexuality is not a civil right. it is a mental disorder, a fetish, a perversion, a deviation from the norm. after all, people aren't born homosexual; it is a choice they have made
btw: that avatar you chose looks so gay
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Ben in Oakland > desertpatriot • a month ago
Being a bigot and deliberately ignorant is also a mental disorder, a fetish, and a deviation from the norm.
Have a nice life. And you should probably stop hanging around gay websites. You're giving it all away.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
name calling is the best response you can offer? really? can you prove you were born this way...'homosexual'?
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Ben in Oakland > desertpatriot • a month ago
Must...not...feed...the..bigot...troll.
Must...not...feed...the..bigot...troll.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
i...am...not...a..troll.
i...am...not...a..troll.
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desertpatriot > Ben in Oakland • a month ago
@benindarktown:
you're the one calling me names and yet you have the audacity to call me a 'troll'? really?
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1twothree4 > desertpatriot • a month ago
Wow. Touchy! Show us on the doll where MSgt touched you, 11 Bravo. Lol!
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desertpatriot > 1twothree4 • a month ago
@1t:
this is not your fight so butt-out!
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1twothree4 > desertpatriot • a month ago
Hey, you cane at me from out of the blue with a bunch of BS. Back at ya! Butt out? FU groundpounder. You girls can get back at it now, carry on!
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desertpatriot > 1twothree4 • a month ago
@1t:
again, this is not your fight so butt-out!
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1twothree4 > desertpatriot • a month ago
Neither was it yours when you jumped in on my thread. Your kinda a jerkoff, huh? Pissed off that you got out of the service before fanny pirating was allowed?? Hmmmm??
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desertpatriot > 1twothree4 • a month ago
@1t:
foad
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1twothree4 > desertpatriot • a month ago
Are you sure you're not 17 and just played at 11B? I mean, your words are very childish.
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desertpatriot > 1twothree4 • a month ago
@1t:
you add no relevance to this discussion. please leave
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1twothree4 > desertpatriot • a month ago
Now you are going to run away? Geez.
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desertpatriot > 1twothree4 • a month ago
troll
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Gianni • a month ago
Good to see that the Russians have their religious kooks, too. Under communism they scurried around like rats in the dark. Now they have microphones and cameras to boom their own hatred to the world.
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Gianni • a month ago
If gay pride parades drive them to such distraction, imagine what equal marriage rights would do to them? Maybe they'd all go jump off the nearest available cliffs.
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That_Looks_Delicious • a month ago
Well, there is some evidence that some of the known islamic terrorists were motivated by very deep rejection of all things modern/western/secular. But plenty of others were well known to be hardy-partiers who drank alcohol, smoked, ate bacon and did all kinds of things that devout muslims aren't supposed to do. So which is it?
One thing I know for sure: RELIGION (and Bush/Cheney/Blair's wars) manufactured the vast majority of the current batch of terrorists, or at least gave them the excuse they needed to act out their violent pathologies. There has never --not once-- been a terrorist attack motivated by feminism or gay rights (Unless Patriach Kiril considers Pussy Riot or Act Up to be terrorists).
So who exactly has the moral high ground?
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AJD • a month ago
So Patriarch, explain to me the fact that our "godless civilization" has been responsible for most of the technological and cultural innovation in the world, while your god-fearing Russian civilization has produced...what, exactly? If religiosity and homophobia were the predictors of success, Western countries would be the backwaters while Russia and the Islamic world would be the center of the world, not the other way around.
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Rex • a month ago
Nice to read about another extreme group as out of touch with reality as the republicans.
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motordog • a month ago
Oh, fuck you, fuck your ugly hat, fuck your cheap flowers, fuck your stupid candles...
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desertpatriot > motordog • a month ago
@dog:
please be respectful
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Justin > desertpatriot • a month ago
He provided all the respect that was due to that POS.
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GanymedeRenard • a month ago
Silly man in silly hat says what?
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Octavio • a month ago
Fun hat.
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coram nobis > Octavio • a month ago
Santa Claus.
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Chucktech > Octavio • a month ago
It IS kinda festive, in it's own, evil and bigoted way, isn't it?
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sword • a month ago
My best friend is Russian Orthodox...he was totally for the Soviet Union. It took him more than a decade after the Soviet collapse to acknowledge that they were just as bloodthirsty as the Nazis.
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canoebum • a month ago
Yeah, 'cause when I think of "Godly men", Vladimir Putin is the first one to come to mind. His Black Sea "dacha" cost what....$2 billion?
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Bill • a month ago
Take off the costume and speak like a man.
Both are required for you to be taken seriously by anyone but yourself and your fellow fools.
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JW Swift > Bill • a month ago
If only the world weren't so full of fools...
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another_steve • a month ago
I like the colors on his crown and schmatta. Red and gold.
You have to be careful when you do red and gold. The combo can be garish in the hands of a sloppy designer.
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DaddyRay > another_steve • a month ago
It sort of reminds me of Jiffy Pop popcorn
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People4Humanity > DaddyRay • a month ago
Almost bouƒƒan†-y enough!
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another_steve > DaddyRay • a month ago
Definitely.
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David in Palm Springs > another_steve • a month ago
If he wore green he could have been in the Karma Chameleon video.
🎶 Red, gold and green. Red, gold and green 🎶
You also get 10 points for using the word "schmatta".
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desertpatriot > David in Palm Springs • a month ago
@davidinfagtown:
that song is so gay
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ConnieHinesDorothyProvine • a month ago
Kirill seems to forget that any ISIS member would be perfectly happy to slit his throat.
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DaveW • a month ago
More godless people so we see more members of a religious movement?
No wonder he believes fairy tales, that's crazy logic.
These cult leaders should be in jail. Not for what they believe, for their real harm to society.
Plus, isn't that drag?????
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BudClark > DaveW • a month ago
Remember the pic posted here of a bunch of them lined up in brocade cassocks, complaining about men in dresses at Gay Pride?
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amati1684 • a month ago
Lavrenti Beria rises from his grave, just as ugly and vicious as he was when they threw him in it, in 1953. But in a much fancier dress.
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Cyril • a month ago
I thought Dumbledore was dead?
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Jafafa Hots • a month ago
But how does does Pope Plankton feel?
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kaydenpat • a month ago
All bigoted roads lead back to blaming "the gays". So predictable.
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Rubener Bautista • a month ago
Another Lunatic Wearing a Crown .
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David Gervais • a month ago
Is the the same guy who was publicly condemned by his followers for wearing a watch that sells for many thousands of dollars?
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Stev84 > David Gervais • a month ago
Which he tried to edit out of a photo, but forgot the reflection
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Taleisin > Stev84 • a month ago
Thanks. My once in a lifetime chance to use this gif.
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William > Taleisin • a month ago
Nanu-Nanu.
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BudClark > David Gervais • a month ago
Yep.
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rmthunter • a month ago
Uh, his name is "Kiril."* And I'd bet he's the real head of the Russian Federation.
And note his disdain for the will of the people.
* "Krill" is a small crustacean similar to shrimp that is a major food source for baleen wales and a number of fish.
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That_Looks_Delicious > rmthunter • a month ago
I didn't even register that typo until you mentioned it. I was wondering why people were talking about krill.
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rmthunter > That_Looks_Delicious • a month ago
I've been an editor for so long that proofreading is a reflex. (I even proofread my e-mails.)
And I've been watching a lot of nature programs lately.
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That_Looks_Delicious > rmthunter • a month ago
Krill are actually very pretty in close up photographs. They almost look like they're made of blown glass.
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Tom (Winnipeg) • a month ago
I never expect truth to come from their mouths, only manure and sewage.
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NZArtist • a month ago
Ha! What insane rantings. Next he'll be saying he has an invisible friend!
The insanity of these people...
Dewd, your insanity enables and empowers their insanity.
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Gianni > NZArtist • a month ago
But he does have an invisible friend.
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NZArtist > Gianni • a month ago
That cant be true, because that would make him totally insane, and totally insane people aren't given positions of power to espouse their beliefs.
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Gianni > NZArtist • a month ago
Oh, I forgot. :)
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Richard Rush • a month ago
We already know that Muslims, in general, are the most vicious gay-haters on earth, so if Krill is correct, then why do Muslim terrorists kill other Muslims far more often than members of all other groups combined?
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delk • a month ago
...and people join your church because they are bigoted assholes.
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Chucktech > delk • a month ago
Well... also because they are delusionally mentally ill.
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Pete • a month ago
Crying' Brian Brown of NOM has been over there many times working with these people, and feeding them his shit, since they aren't making headway in the USA.
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Merv99 > Pete • a month ago
The Russians didn't really need to be convinced. Bigotry is ingrained in the culture. Look at how they have treated Jews.
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Soren456 > Pete • a month ago
Nonsense. He was there for photo ops and a couple speeches. All of which he used for grandstanding when he returned home.
He has no more influence in Russia than Kirill would have here. Period.
No one from the west—especially an American—is influencing Russian public policy. They are doing it themselves.
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JW Swift • a month ago
He talks about "maturity" while whining like a little bitch about how things aren't going the way he wants.
Stay classy, Russia!
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Alan43 • a month ago
Russia does seem to be in the vanguard of the anti-gay movement today. Wonder why. Does the combination of cold and vodka induce homophobia?
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Man_in_the_mists > Alan43 • a month ago
More like the guilt that came after what the cold and vodka caused.
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clay • a month ago
So it's all those pride parades in Russia that leads them to be a target for ISIS?
And here I thought it was Putin's wars in the North Caucasus.
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Xtophe • a month ago
It's not "strongly held belief" or "religious conviction." It's increasingly illegal slander against and abuse of total innocents, carrying progressively stiffer penalties as such fraud is exposed in the modern world. And that's a good thing.
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JVB • a month ago
Oh Mary those Robes and hat are so yesterday.
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Brigham • a month ago
In that outfit? Really?
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Joann Prinzivalli • a month ago
Patriarch Krill is clearly possessed by demons and the religion he leads is conning its followers to worship Satan as if Satan were God. That is, assuming the existence of "demons," "Satan" or "God."
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BudClark • a month ago
BTW, it's K-i-r-i-l, not Krill.
In Engllsh, Cyril.
Cyril of Alexandria was a nasty bugger. He had a woman theologian scraped to death with red-hot clam shells for meddling in theology.
I took the name of Cyril of Jerusalem when I was ordained, because he spent most of his patriarchate in exile.
Now ... to the matter at hand: the Russian Orthodox Church is NUTS. Always has been. The clergy are poorly educated. They regard themselves as THE ONE TRUE CHURCH, period. They don't even recognize the other Orthodox and Oriental Churches, much less anybody else.
They hate Rome with a passion, and Canterbury with an even greater passion, especially those Provinces (like the US) that have approved marriage equality.
Some of the Greeks, Copts, and others are relatively friendly with Canterbury, and take part in at least some ecumenical talks, Evensong / Vespers, etc. ... but not the Russians.
I went to the Russian cathedral in San Francisco for Great Vespers one year on the Feast of the Dormition (Assumption, Aug. 15th). A priest interrogated me for half an hour before he would let me in the door, and I was NOT to participate in the Anointing or whatever it is they do at the end of Great Vespers.
The choir was WONDERFUL ... mostly Russian majors from the universities ... and the congregation was friendly enough, but the clergy ... BRRR!!!
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Vladimir Byazrov • a month ago
religion is the greatest evil ever existed.
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Galvestonian • a month ago
Stupid people everwhere ...
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Joseph Miceli • a month ago
Patriarch Krill is an amoral smegma smear of an excuse for a human being. Fuck him, fuck his primitive church and its bronze age mythology, and fuck him for using gay people as an excuse to justify the amoral barbarians of Isis and the atrocities they commit.
Christian extremists and Muslim extremists are exactly the same, the only difference being that we won't allow the Christians to get away with the shit the Muslims do.
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doninkansas • a month ago
Don't you mean the KGB agent, "Mikhailov"?
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Friday • a month ago
Welp, guess we know whose side *he's* on.
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bambinoitaliano • a month ago
Looking at the pic I thought Peter Jackson is coming back with another trilogy of Lord of The Ring. The poor cousin of Sauron returns.
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dcurlee • a month ago
what a fucking moron
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TrollopeReader • a month ago
He seems like a nice man. s/
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radiofreerome • a month ago
It's "Kirill" as in "Let's kill Kirill."
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Hue-Man > radiofreerome • a month ago
The spelling has an extra L to make it look more like the Russian Кирилл.
The English equivalent is Cyril.
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radiofreerome > Hue-Man • a month ago
Thanks. Corrected.
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TuuxKabin • a month ago
Krill? From Google: The name krill comes from the Norwegian word krill, meaning "small fry of fish". Throw him into the deep blue whence he came from. Whale food.
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PLAINTOM • a month ago
You made me do it.
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BudClark • a month ago
The Russian Church has always aligned with whatever government was in power. That's why there are like SEVEN different flavors of Russian Orthodox in the US. The anti-communists (rightly) believed that the Patriarch of Moscow at the time was in bed with the Stalinists.
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October 20, 2015 Crackpots, Hate Groups, Religion
According to Heritage Foundation nutjob Paul Kengor, nobody is happier about the Obergefell ruling than the Communist Party USA.
“One thing that very few Americans saw, including the millions of same-sex marriage supporters who aren’t especially political or ideological, was the quite revealing celebration among some really radical quarters. Among them, Communist Party USA and its publication, People’s World—successor to the Soviet-funded and directed Daily Worker—were thrilled with what Anthony Kennedy and friends had done. For communists, this was a stunning victory, the securing of a long-elusive effort to vanquish the fixed marriage model set forth long ago by nature and the Creator. Indeed, if you thought the White House seemed eager to hoist the rainbow colors, you should have seen the American Communist Party. In fact, the party of the red flag had been waving the rainbow flag before June 26, 2015. Communist Party USA has been pumping the full “LGBT” agenda for several years now. This intriguing appreciation from American communists is no surprise to those of us who study communism for a living and thus are forced to read websites like People’s World (as well as the homepage of Communist Party USA) as an occupational hazard. We know that one is far more likely to see the rainbow flag at People’s World nowadays than a red flag with a hammer and sickle.”
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Octavio • 4 months ago
When I was finally discharged from playing Army, I couldn't grow my hair back down to the middle of my back fast enough. I still had very short hair and needed to register to vote in my neighborhood district in North Beach. This was done at the home of the neighborhood guy whose house also served as the place where we voted. He thought I was a stand up good 'Merikuhn kind of young man and thrilled to see me use my military ID (which was still good for a year) and a utilities bill with my name and address on it for identification. He looked over my registration form and noted, "You haven't elected a political party affiliation. Do you have one?" I apologized an made sure he could see me write "COMMUNIST" next to the check box for "other." He was not pleased. But he did submit my registration form and I continued to vote in the foyer of his home for almost ten years. He never smiled at me. :-)
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Gene > Octavio • 4 months ago
oh Ocatvio...that was wicked sick cruel of you.....
I so so love you when you tell us stuff like that
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Octavio > Gene • 4 months ago
I'm just a born iconoclast, I guess. :-)
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GanymedeRenard > Octavio • 4 months ago
And irreverent. And blasphemous. And a heretic. Disgusting! Now can I go sit on your lap, sir?
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Octavio > GanymedeRenard • 4 months ago
Yes!
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2karmanot > Guest • 4 months ago
Where is her corner?
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Christopher Smith > Octavio • 4 months ago
Octavio, you're so bad. <g>
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Corsair Tact > Christopher Smith • 4 months ago
Like Muriel!
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ExGayTherapyKills > Corsair Tact • 4 months ago
They say Putin is going to marry his boyfriend.
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james_from_cambridge > Octavio • 4 months ago
You realize J. Edgar Hoover was probably looking thru your window every night, dressed in his best Halston and high heels, to keep any eye on your subversive behind. Keeping an eye on your behind too.
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Octavio > james_from_cambridge • 4 months ago
You laugh, but my "official" government file consists of 136 pages of notes and photos, including my arrest record from before and after serving in the Army for trespassing (the usual criminal charge for protesting the war in Vietnam). I'm rather proud of my arrest record. :-)
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james_from_cambridge > Octavio • 4 months ago
I'm proud of you for that! I was born in the wrong era...I would have loved to have been there from the Vietnam/Civil Rights protests thru to the Studio 54 era. Change the world, bring down the system and then for the rest of the decade relax in a tacky polyester outfit while completely coked up.
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Octavio > james_from_cambridge • 4 months ago
Something no one ever admits: we knew the polyester was tacky when it was "a thing." No one with a clue ever wore the stuff. Notice how many preachers, reverends, pastors et al you seen in polyester leisure suits. It was only for the clueless.
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james_from_cambridge > Octavio • 4 months ago
Ha! I assume all you cool people were naked all the time anyway...
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Octavio > james_from_cambridge • 4 months ago
:-) Yes. There was a lot of nudity. As much as possible whenever possible. But Levi 501s and cotton denim shirts have always been the tuxedo of the working man. :-)
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2karmanot > Octavio • 4 months ago
black 501's in South of Market, especially at the Eagle....
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Octavio > 2karmanot • 4 months ago
;-P
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StraightGrandmother > Octavio • 4 months ago
Ya know you are such a little shit, LOL!
Guys like you, you think to fast, faster than most people and because of that you really know how to plunge in the knife because you have that 3 second advantage.
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Octavio > StraightGrandmother • 4 months ago
Thanks for the compliments. Actually, I'm very slow. Remember: freedom's just another word for nothing else to lose. :-)
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2karmanot > Octavio • 4 months ago
Oh, Janis, where are you when we need you....
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Octavio > 2karmanot • 4 months ago
She's drinking Ripple and shooting heroin with Jimmy Hendricks in Heaven. :-)
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zhera > Octavio • 4 months ago
I fucking ADORE you!
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Octavio > zhera • 4 months ago
You should have seen me with hair! :-)
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Walker > Octavio • 4 months ago
North Beach in SF? If so, what years? I've been here since 79.
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Octavio > Walker • 4 months ago
In 66-68 I lived on Masonic above the Panhandle two blocks from Haight. When I moved back after 2.5 years of Vietnam I bought a money pit of a four-plex hidden up Alta Street at Montgomery. In 1971 it was a very poor and affordable neighborhood. Whenever the City was socked in with fog we always seemed to have the only sunshine during the day. I sold the place in 1979. :-)
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Walker > Octavio • 4 months ago
I wonder if that was the place that partially fell down the hill?
I had a friend who lived on Montgomery, about 1/2 block away from Alta. I'm on the other side of the hill.
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Octavio > Walker • 4 months ago
The place was falling down when I owned it. But it hadn't slid down Telegraph Hill. It has been torn down and site-appropriate new apartments stand in it's place now. We paid a visit to Alta Street during the Folsom Street Fair a few weeks ago. It's very, very true. You can't go home again. Especially when the place has been torn down. LOL!
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2karmanot > Octavio • 4 months ago
I lived on kite Hill, but couldn't see you from my house....:-(
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Octavio > 2karmanot • 4 months ago
The best feature of my little four-plex was the roof. When I had the building reinforced I also had the entire roof covered in redwood decking. Great view of the entire bay and the overgrowth from Coit Park and neighboring buildings offered complete privacy. Took a lot of Acid and drank a lot of tequila on that roof. It's one of the few things I really miss from my past.
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Ray Taylor > Octavio • 4 months ago
I lived at Montgomery and Broadway then in the apartment building on the corner. Dave's baths was 2 blocks down Broadway. 2 blocks the other way was the famous drag bar Finoccino's.
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Octavio > Ray Taylor • 4 months ago
Hah! I had far too many lurid adventures at Dave's Baths than I care to remember. It's amazing, but except for catching the crabs once, I've never caught an STD. 'Tis a fucking miracle, really. :-P
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Ray Taylor > Octavio • 4 months ago
I was in a relationship at the time so I didn't go there. This eve I went to google maps and looked over the neighborhood and saw where you must have lived now a massive apt. On Grant St. the only place I recognized was Savoi Trivoli. We prob saw each other there.
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Octavio > Ray Taylor • 4 months ago
That's spooky. There was a time it felt like I knew everyone in the city. I tended bar in every gay watering hole that was popular for ten years. But I was a died-in-the-wool North Beach resident, always going for breakfast, coffee, and reading the paper in the old cafes and restaurants along Columbus and around Washington Square Park. For several years I hung out with Carol Doda and other luminaries sucking down espressos every day before noon and gossiping with sex performers. It was definitely a great time to live.
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Ninja0980 • 4 months ago
The 1950's called, they want their scare tactics back.
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pickypecker > Ninja0980 • 4 months ago
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TampaDink > pickypecker • 4 months ago
Must stop Moose & Squirrel. (to be read in a Russian accent)
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Herald > TampaDink • 4 months ago
I remember that!
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Wynter Marie Starr > TampaDink • 4 months ago
I'm a bit too young for the Moose and Squirrel to be read in a Russian accent. I hear the cultured tones of Mark Sheppard as he refers to his Moose and Squirrel.
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2karmanot > TampaDink • 4 months ago
I ran into Moose and Squirrel recently. They now go by the names: Stocky and Bullwrinkle.
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TampaDink > 2karmanot • 4 months ago
Gravity is not always kind.
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BlueberriesForMe > pickypecker • 4 months ago
"Dah-link".
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vorpal > Ninja0980 • 4 months ago
I thought all the fear mongering idiots had gotten the memo, i.e. that the new scare term du jour is "Cultural Marxism."
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Michael Rush > vorpal • 4 months ago
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Robincho > Michael Rush • 4 months ago
Yeah, but Ms. Gravel was singing a different tune by the time she got to Mortville... But then she got all fond of Queen ("Seize her and fuck her!") Carlotta...
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Mawm > Michael Rush • 4 months ago
You know I hate nature.
Love John Waters.
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Mike C > Michael Rush • 4 months ago
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CottonBlimp > vorpal • 4 months ago
No, no, "cultural marxism" means "not a racist" in the wingnut language.
"Communist" means "faggot".
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Todd20036 • 4 months ago
I suppose some communists do. But also, given how much advertising we are seeing, lots of large companies (capitalists) love gay marriage for all the money that can be made by backing equality.
And when things go badly, lots of divorce lawyers love gay marriages so they can make commissions when they break them up.
So, do you have a point, or are you trying to create a boogieman, and failing miserably?
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Gene > Todd20036 • 4 months ago
many modern communist parties in western Europe now do support GLBT marriage...as do even CONSERVATIVE parties like the Conservative Tory party in the UK. So? Civilized people do.
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As it happens, historically, the communist states were, if anything, worse, than the capitalist/democratic ones on issues of GLBT rights. some have matured. Credit to the devil when its due; Bill P says he helped moved his (tiny) party to be GLBT inclusive and CREDIT TO HIM FOR THAT! (I feel dizzy...I just gave a strong compliment to Bill Perdue)
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Take home message for this Heritage freak....Your sworn enemies have started to grow up and improve on at least one aspect of Human Rights....
WHEN THE FUCK WILL YOU??????? Or WILL YOU JUST CONTINUE TO THINK LIKE STALIN and LENIN and HITLER and the other homophobic tyrants?
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Shy Guy > Gene • 4 months ago
Lenin actually decriminalized homosexuality in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Sadly, it didn't last long, and Stalin criminalized it again only a decade later.
Interestingly, from the same article:
"Soviet propaganda began to depict homosexuality as a sign of fascism"
"aimed at the decadent and effete old ruling classes, thus further linking homosexuality to a right-wing conspiracy, i.e. tsarist aristocracy and German fascists"
And now the rabid right-wingers try to pin gay rights to communism. Plus ça change plus c'est la même chose.
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Stev84 > Gene • 4 months ago
East Germany decriminalized homosexuality several decades before West Germany. That doesn't mean it was socially accepted or talked about, but you weren't thrown into jail either.
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Ben in Oakland > Gene • 4 months ago
Not Lenin. under Lenin, homosexuality was decriminalized.
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canoebum > Todd20036 • 4 months ago
He is the boogieman, a sad one indeed.
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jonfromcalifornia • 4 months ago
And you know who HATES gay marriage? ISIS, Iran and the other Muslim extremists just like the rightwingers at the Heritage Foundation.
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KnownDonorDad > jonfromcalifornia • 4 months ago
Bingo. They have to watch this argument by association they're doing.
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GanymedeRenard > jonfromcalifornia • 4 months ago
I think you forgot the Vatican, aka, the Whore of Babylon.
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bkmn • 4 months ago
Commies? Somebody is still stuck in the 1950's.
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ColdDesert > bkmn • 4 months ago
Yeah, Communist Party USA had a mention somewhere, this must be the first time in about 50 years.
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Gene > ColdDesert • 4 months ago
I just gave him a...compliment...I feel dizzy, but, its NOT the first time in 50 years someone in here has mentioned the Communist Party. ;)
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Which makes me wonder...all joking about summoning him aside, this IS something he has every right to comment on, even gloat about. He says he helped move his party platform to be more GLBT inclusive, and, credit to him. Where is he? I suspected he would JUMP on this news story. I am not fond of the man, but, I hope he is well.
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Corsair Tact > Gene • 4 months ago
Keep ... your .... voice ... down ....
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MB > bkmn • 4 months ago
Yeah, and we're all pinko-fag fairies, too.
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oikos • 4 months ago
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pickypecker > oikos • 4 months ago
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Paula > pickypecker • 4 months ago
That was one of our running cadences in the army.
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BearEyes > pickypecker • 4 months ago
Nancy Reagan?
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Ritorna Vincitor • 4 months ago
I understand that when you lose the culture war it can be really upsetting and cause you to say some pretty outlandish things. But you have to keep it at least slightly real if you don't want people to see you as deranged.
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pickypecker • 4 months ago
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Treant > pickypecker • 4 months ago
"O great McDonald, squirt your mustard in my face..."
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Joe in PA > Treant • 4 months ago
go on.... :)
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TheManicMechanic > Treant • 4 months ago
Communion fries beat the hell out of those nasty Jesus-wafers.
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Mawm > pickypecker • 4 months ago
5 billion served.
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Jmdintpa • 4 months ago
communist, socialist, fascist, capitalist, social democrat do they even know the difference?
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oikos > Jmdintpa • 4 months ago
No.
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ColdDesert • 4 months ago
Since when is marriage "natural"? Since when do doves and chickens and rats and goldfish go to the courthouse to solidify their marital vows?
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TampaDink > ColdDesert • 4 months ago
You're thinking of civil marriage. Non-human animals only recognize religious marriages...which are performed by other animals and never when being observed by humans. ☺
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Robincho > TampaDink • 4 months ago
Never having been witnessed by humans, it follows that there exist no photographs of these mysterious rites. Ergo, according to the Doctrine
of Staverism, they totally exist! We thus have all the proof we need, and
you win both human and animal internetz for today, sir...
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TampaDink > Robincho • 4 months ago
You see, by never actually witnessing it that animal marriage is true after all. They sometimes also are granted private moments with the pope.
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Stogiebear > TampaDink • 4 months ago
If a rat and a platypus get married in the woods and there's no photographer there to document it, do they get any gay wedding cake?
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Robincho > Stogiebear • 4 months ago
They're fertile little bastards, so stand by for a pantload of
rattypussies...
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oikos • 4 months ago
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GanymedeRenard > oikos • 4 months ago
I don't know where you get all these images from, but they're always brilliant!
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oikos > GanymedeRenard • 4 months ago
I think this one originally came from Cracked magazine.
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William > oikos • 4 months ago
Here's the original, complete with a quote from Stalin.
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William > oikos • 4 months ago
It was a real Soviet war poster. This version is a postage stamp.
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oikos > William • 4 months ago
Really? With the two soldiers kissing?
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William > oikos • 4 months ago
Only one is a soldier. The man on the left is a peasant, joyous for being liberated
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William > oikos • 4 months ago
It isn't considered 'gay' for two men to kiss in some parts of the world. As long as there is no tongue action.
Leonid Brezhnev and that nice Erich Honecker had a few makeout sessions.
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oikos > William • 4 months ago
I know that. I grew up during the coldwar. The stamp still looks pretty gay to me. :)
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William > oikos • 4 months ago
Given the choice, I'd rather make out with the Red Army soldier than Leo Brezhnev.
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oikos > William • 4 months ago
Brezhnev
Achieved trolldom at a young age.
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William > oikos • 4 months ago
He was born under a bridge.
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caphillprof • 4 months ago
Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War and the Republicans have been unhappy ever since.
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greenmanTN > caphillprof • 4 months ago
It sounds like they're getting nostalgic for the good old days...
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Goodboy > caphillprof • 4 months ago
Except we became the commies then.
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JaniceInToronto • 4 months ago
It's amazing they're still dragging out that poor old communist bogieman.
It's 2015 for fucks sake. The commies are not the problem. Sheesh. Get over it.
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Friday > JaniceInToronto • 4 months ago
Yeah, and, someone claiming Commies loved gay marriage or gay people at all obviously doesn't 'study Communism for a living.' :)
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Patrick • 4 months ago
So all those gay bashings in Russia are just a natural reaction to all those (non-existent) gay weddings that were held in the Soviet Union, right?
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Sean • 4 months ago
Neo-Nazi Heritage Foundation says what now?
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Sean > Sean • 4 months ago
P.S.1.
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Sean > Sean • 4 months ago
P.S.2.
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Octavio > Sean • 4 months ago
Love this. "fueled by liquid dinosaurs?" Such a simplistic yet reasonably accurate truth. :-)
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TheManicMechanic > Octavio • 4 months ago
Veliciraptor-ade!
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Octavio > TheManicMechanic • 4 months ago
Soooo juicy!
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Gene > Sean • 4 months ago
thats absolutely priceless...thanks for that
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Clive Johnson • 4 months ago
Ah, those communists. They're everywhere working behind the scenes, controlling situations and people, warping the language to suit their ideology, adding insidious memes into political discourse which they then use to get their way. They see everything.
They taint milk. They control the media, the schools, Hollywood, universities. They prevent bread from rising. They give you bad dreams. They plot in bathrooms. They lick frozen metal and their tongues don't stick.
Beware the communists dear friends. They are poised for a takeover any day now, and teh gayz are their malleable puppets.
The Red Hand is on the shoulder of anyone who doesn't have as their first allegiance Jeebus and his dad.
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pickypecker > Clive Johnson • 4 months ago
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Gustav2 > Clive Johnson • 4 months ago
Don't forget fluoridating our water!!!!!!!!!11!!
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Kissmagrits > Clive Johnson • 4 months ago
And all this under the approving gaze of "Tail Gunner Joe" and Auntie Edgar - - wherever they may be.
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camel54 • 4 months ago
The man is evidently thick as a fucking plank. I wonder otherwise how he can come up with such unfounded, contradictory meaningless drivel.
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MattM • 4 months ago
As Ms. Scarlet once said:
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Ginger Snap > MattM • 4 months ago
One of my top ten favorite movies.
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Joe in PA > Ginger Snap • 4 months ago
what movie? That's Leslie Ann Warren?
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Ginger Snap > Joe in PA • 4 months ago
From the movie Clue.
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Joe in PA > Ginger Snap • 4 months ago
Thanks Ginger.
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Steve Teeter > Joe in PA • 4 months ago
Hmm. She's not much of a threat. Her gun is visibly unloaded.
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Ben in Oakland • 4 months ago
After the recent Irish election, 62% of predominantly catholic Ireland was rejoicing that marriage equality had passed.
That means that Catholics are enemies of god and marriage.
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Gustav2 > Ben in Oakland • 4 months ago
Everyday Catholics have been with us, about the same number in American polls, the hierarchy not so much.
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Ben in Oakland > Gustav2 • 4 months ago
I know. His ideology driven "point" was simply about ideology, not fact.
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Bill T. • 4 months ago
So what?
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Raising_Rlyeh • 4 months ago
And we should be worried why? Hell, Lenin decriminalized homosexuality and then Stalin recriminalized it. The communist party for the majority of its history did not support the right of people to do anything that deviated from what they deemed correct. In that regard the social conservatives are just like the communists they hate.
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RMillican • 4 months ago
What a sad man. He can't be happy unless others are being oppressed.
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TampaDink • 4 months ago
Rather than getting so wrapped up in all things gay....shouldn't the "Heritage Foundation" focus on their crowning achievement, designing the basics of Obamacare?
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oikos > TampaDink • 4 months ago
They seem to have forgotten it was their idea.
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TampaDink > oikos • 4 months ago
They'd remember it clearly & often, had it been put into place under a republican.
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SFBruce • 4 months ago
While he might be right about today's US Communist Party, which has very little influence in politics today, traditionally Communists viewed homosexuality as the product of bourgeois decadence resulting from capitalism. Until recently, they weren't even remotely our friends.
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Tor > SFBruce • 4 months ago
Note their decedents in Russia.
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Craig Howell > Tor • 4 months ago
I wish their decedents were deceased. But alas, Putin, the new Czar/Stalin, is very much alive and hates us (among many, many others).
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Lakeviewbob • 4 months ago
There is a shitload of conservative christians that support gay marriage as well. Are they christian communists?
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LovesIrony • 4 months ago
if you don't like being forced to read the communists sites GET ANOTHER FUCKING JOB YOU ASSHOLE
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Jean-Marc in Canada • 4 months ago
Well now, he's a whole new kind of stupid, isn't he. All I can do is......https://
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Octavio > pickypecker • 4 months ago
Reminds me of the bombing(s) of Cambodia that Nixon started in 1969 and set the stage for the insurgent Khmer Rouge. Fun times! /s
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LovesIrony • 4 months ago
A Confederacy of Dunces indeed
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Mawm • 4 months ago
This is like saying, "Charles Manson likes to eat food. If you like to eat food, you must support Charles Manson."
This thing has to be expected, though. Religion's very existence depends on people being bad at applying logic.
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Walker • 4 months ago
Funny, I am unaware of any communist country that didn't repress - or worse - gay men. Cuba has made some advances.
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Octavio > Walker • 4 months ago
One of the benefits of the Mariel Boat Lift back in 1980 was all of the stunningly handsome/sexy gay men who flooded into the USA from Cuba. It definitely improved the USA gay community's gene pool. :-)
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Cuberly > Octavio • 4 months ago
Oy, Before Night Falls, such an amazing movie, and a gorgeous Javier Bardem too. Can't even count how many times I've seen it. Every frame is...(goosebumps)......the book is amazing as well.
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Octavio > Cuberly • 4 months ago
And the real Reinaldo Arenas was a damn good author/poet, too.
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Cuberly > Octavio • 4 months ago
He sure was.
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Corsair Tact > Octavio • 4 months ago
I was just having a garlicky kale salad (the ONLY way I will eat kale) at the downtown Miami Whole Foods and was sitting there trying to keep from doing constant wolf whistles. SO MUCH HOTNESS!
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Tor > Corsair Tact • 4 months ago
It's not the hotness, it's the humidity.
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Corsair Tact > Tor • 4 months ago
True! I'm quite damp as a result... ;-)
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Little Kiwi • 4 months ago
apparently so do Kenyan Muslims...so....allah akbar?
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Grafxbear • 4 months ago
Commies? Really???? That's so 1950s of him.
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biki • 4 months ago
Ok, so now we know, for these right wing extremist folk, its STILL the 1950's. When women were still chained to the stove, blacks were distinctly unequal in their ability to access civil rights and LGBT'ers were deeply closeted, and the RED MENACE was real.
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Southpaw Σ:3 • 4 months ago
You know what else communists like? SUGAR. OXYGEN. SLEEP. Therefore, these things are BAD!
HITLER liked those things too! You don't want to be like HITLER and be for same-sex marriage, do you?!
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pickypecker > Southpaw Σ:3 • 4 months ago
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JustSayin' > pickypecker • 4 months ago
That is so wrong on so many levels..,too job!😂
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GanymedeRenard • 4 months ago
I keep hearing about The Gay Agenda, and I'm still pissed because I haven't gotten a copy yet!! Must I travel to Lenin's tomb in Moscow so I can obtain one (gratis, I suppose)?
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Roger Mann > GanymedeRenard • 4 months ago
Lenin's tomb is a communist plot.
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Steve Teeter > Roger Mann • 4 months ago
We all saw what you did there.
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Queequeg • 4 months ago
Is that why marriage equality is so ubiquitous in the countries of the former Soviet Union?
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GanymedeRenard • 4 months ago
Poor me! For all this time I've been ignorant about the fact that Big Business (from Apple to Starbucks), the very bastion of capitalism, has been secretly an elite of closet commies! Who knew?
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Clive Johnson > GanymedeRenard • 4 months ago
Indeed.
According to the anti-communist conspiracy theorist, communism shifts forms and labels all the time to evade direct identification by patriotic Americans and conservative thinkers. It's very tricky that way.
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GanymedeRenard > Clive Johnson • 4 months ago
Why, you're so right. It must be the slyest and most mercurial system out there! / s
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Corsair Tact > Clive Johnson • 4 months ago
Lots and lots of fundraising possibilities!
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BearEyes • 4 months ago
the bible must be communist then.
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Michael Rush • 4 months ago
Point your finger and blame " them " for " that " , it's fun and its easy !!!
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delk > Michael Rush • 4 months ago
The Blame Game:
Commie, Commie, bo-bommie
Banana-fana fo-fommie
Fee-fi-mo-mommie
Commie!
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Michael Rush > delk • 4 months ago
wacky packages
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Octavio > Michael Rush • 4 months ago
Milton Bradley has applied for the copyright.
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Cuberly • 4 months ago
Have you now, or have you ever been, accepting of a lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered person?
Today's GOP & talibanjelicals, forever on the search for noncompliance.
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MattM • 4 months ago
And.....? So what? How does the approval of a group with a different political ideology relevant? If anyone is un-American, it's these fuckwits who want to outlaw a subscription to communist ideology and to legally disenfranchise gay people.
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Jan Wesselius • 4 months ago
Ahh, so that's why McCarthy called them "Pinko Commies". Seems as if McCarthy and the Heritage foundation are operating on the same intelligence level :0".
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Tor > Jan Wesselius • 4 months ago
Now, apparently, they are "Lavendero Commies."
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Gustav2 • 4 months ago
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party, "concealed" or otherwise. Moreover, I have never been a supporter of that party, its candidates or officers. I have never in public or private, in oral or written statement, endorsed the Communist Party, espoused its cause or supported its ends. Its tactics and its revolutionary philosophy and objectives are, and always have been, repugnant to me.
...except when they mess with your mind, Paul Kengor.
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Puckfair52 • 4 months ago
Mary Mao what the fuck is he going on about!!
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teeveedub • 4 months ago
We all fondly recall those Cold War days, when same-sex marriage was so prevalent in the Soviet Union.
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delk • 4 months ago
Does this even make sense?
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BobSF_94117 > delk • 4 months ago
Given that the GOP has usurped the color red...
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William • 4 months ago
Only when it isn't being used for hook-ups.
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oikos > William • 4 months ago
That is an awesome poster. You could still buy this a few years back. I sent one to my sister and when she took it to get a frame the people at the frame shop thought it was hysterically comical.
Edit: still being sold.
http://www.northernsun.com/Bat...
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lymis • 4 months ago
For them, all the good people agree on absolutely everything, since there is only one Objective Good that, by their definition, applies to everyone. It therefore follows, that everyone else also agrees on everything - mostly on the need to attack everything Good.
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Terry • 4 months ago
Funny how everyone who disagrees with Right Wing Politics is Communist...
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red-diaper-baby 1942 > Terry • 4 months ago
Actually, we're Communists/ Marxists/ Nazis/ Muslims, all wrapped up in one delirious package: we hate AMERICA and FREEDUMB!
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Terry > red-diaper-baby 1942 • 4 months ago
I hate AmeriKKKa and FreeDUMB too
Of course, they'll criticize this country all they want, but let a liberal do it and they say "America love it or leave it"
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Macbill • 4 months ago
Putin is secretly gay.
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Fyva Prold > Macbill • 4 months ago
Don't know about Putin, but his head of TV Dmitry Kiselev most definitely is.
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Baltimatt • 4 months ago
And how many members does CPUSA have? I think it's about 2,000.
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BobSF_94117 > Baltimatt • 4 months ago
If you count the dead ones, maybe.
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2karmanot • 4 months ago
OhMyGawd! Communists? In America? Where? When? I love dinosaurs!
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NMNative • 4 months ago
Drat. Commie brothers and sisters, we've been found out.
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bill@19D • 4 months ago
Let’s be clear what this is about, they can’t effectively argue against same sex marriage on its own and they know it and so they attempt to link it to other things, polygamy, communism, etc, in order to argue against it by affiliation. Same sex marriage has been a reality for over a decade now in the US and in the entire nation for four months. If they want to point to actually real harm then they are free to do so. Thus far all they got is “Kim Davis” and that fake victim has been a huge PR flop for them.
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Skokieguy [Larry] • 4 months ago
“One thing that very few Americans saw, including the millions of
same-sex marriage supporters who aren’t especially political or
ideological, was the quite revealing celebration among some really
radical quarters.
Was there a party and no one invited us? Quite revealing celebration - naked dancers?
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rmthunter • 4 months ago
Note to Paul Kengor: Nobody cares about the communists any more.
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JCF • 4 months ago
Who? What? Who???
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red-diaper-baby 1942 • 4 months ago
The Communists? The CPUSA? He's really seeing ghosts, isn't he.
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Veylon • 4 months ago
Is there a single communist country where gay marriage was/is legal? I thought it was purely a White Christian thing.
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Chris Baker • 4 months ago
I hear that Communists like milk, and love their mothers, and love apple pie, and like Football. And most of them drink water on a daily basis!
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ECarpenter > Chris Baker • 4 months ago
They eat pickles. Lots of pickles. Damn commies.
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Sporkfighter • 4 months ago
I'll bet communists love chocolate chip cookies, too. Just because we agree on one issue doesn't mean we agree on other issues.
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ExGayTherapyKills • 4 months ago
Something new and old, A gay person named Larry said that God came to him one night and had sex with him and as a result he gave birth to Gay God also known as Larry Junior. Larry Junior grew up and liked to hang around guys and oppressed people and the people called him a king. The government did not like people who stood up and spoke the truth so they said Larry was anti-government and then nailed him to a T as part of their capital punishment program. After that the soul of Larry Junior came back to life and the people called him a Gay God. The people would mark this day that Larry Junior came back as Capital punishment day or Retsae, a Holey Gay God day.#
Later on rich and powerful people who were also known as the kings of disaster and went by the popular name of Snatas went to Gay God aka Larry Junior and offered him money to write his story in a book and sell it in hope that people would buy it and believe it and if they did then the rich and powerful people could use it to control the people and get the people to give them 10% of their income around the world. That is a lot of money and control and since these rich and powerful people were slave masters they figured they could make everybody their slaves and no one would know the truth, especially since they would not educate them or let them in on their little secret. The Snatas would keep the people busy working their fields and looking at useless information of pictures screens that the slave master owned and only showed the slaves what they wanted the slaves to see.
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Matt Rogers • 4 months ago
"Communist Party USA has been pumping the full 'LGBT' agenda for several years now. This intriguing appreciation from American communists is no surprise to those of us who study communism for a living and thus are forced to read websites like People’s World (as well as the homepage of Communist Party USA) as an occupational hazard. We know that one is far more likely to see the rainbow flag at People’s World nowadays than a red flag with a hammer and sickle."
I went to the website of the Communist Party USA. There was a modified hammer and sickle flag, but no rainbow flag. LGBT issues were barely mentioned. I found only one reference, under "Why is the fight against racism, sexism, and oppression so important to the communists?":
"We make the fight for equality an important part of every struggle we fight. The Communist Party fights for full equality for people of all races, for women and men, straight people and LGBT, for speakers of all languages, for young people and older people, and for people of all religious beliefs or none. The U.S. working class includes millions of immigrant workers. We stand for full rights for these workers, regardless of their documentation status. We believe in equality because it is just and right. Even more, the fight for equality is key to uniting the working class into a powerful force for the changes we need."
People's World had an article about anti-trans violence at the U.S. tab, and a review of a lesbian-themed film at the Arts tab. There was no rainbow flag (or hammer-and-sickle flag) in sight.
From what I can tell, these websites have less LGBT coverage than your typical, corporate news site. Did Kengor just make up his claims? Was the Heritage Foundation simply lying? Again?
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Duane Dimitrov • 4 months ago
It's interesting the Heritage has gone of the wingnut deep end. I mean, they used to just be the lapdogs for the Chamber of Commerce types...now the theocrats too?
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John Masters • 4 months ago
Yes, and they are such a large and politically powerful party too.
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TheSpinMonkey • 4 months ago
commies were known for being so inclusive.
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Mark • 4 months ago
This one is definitely a moaner. And just before the big moment - he'll suddenly get all religious. Then he's out the door looking for those mean, nasty communists.....again.
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GuestStop • 4 months ago
Well, the communists had one thing right: Religion is the opiate of the masses.
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Luther Kreiger • 4 months ago
The straws they are reaching for aren't even on another table, they're in a house four blocks down.
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Queequeg • 4 months ago
And who is the saddest? Any group whose name includes the words "freedom", "liberty" "family" or "heritage" and believes in none of those things.
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Adonisus • 4 months ago
As an active Marxist myself, I can tell you definitively that for much of the 20th century the Communist movement (at least the ones that were allied to the Soviet Union) were actually quite anti-gay in nature. After Stalin re-criminalized homosexuality and abortion (two things his predecessor Lenin legalized), the majority of 'Marxist-Leninist' and 'Anti-Revisionist' parties worldwide had a strongly anti-gay attitude. The CPUSA was very much along that line for decades.
As far as the Left is concerned, our earliest allies were the Anarchists like Emma Goldman, as well as a few left-communist and Trotskyist groups. With a handful of exceptions, most Communist Parties these days are either Pro-LGBT rights or don't see it as a priority. Exceptions include the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and some parties in Africa and Eastern Europe.
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