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Just spotted this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614169/UK-blood-recycling-breakthrough-let-Jehovahs-Witnesses-major-surgery.html
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Thanks for that Sarah.
The real reason why the woman in the article survived so well ... is not her refusal of a blood transfusion ... but the clever man who created the machine. A worldly man. Not a spiritual jdub. A worldly man. Picky I know ... but keeping away from all things worldly surely means ALL things worldly! I've been out too long I think!
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This event should remind everyone to take a pause and remember all the JW guinea pigs who have lost their lives so that this kind of technology is possible for the rest of the population.
She is just another guinea pig.
This one lived. Many didn't.
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Exactly! Well said Dianne!
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Yes, Andria.
At least this woman won't have her name added to this list:
http://watchtower-blood.org/victims/index.shtml
I wonder how long that list would actually be if all the deaths of the Watchtower victims/guinea pigs were added to the list.
Hundreds...thousands...
All to promote the lucrative bloodless industry.
Refusal of blood transfusions based on religious beliefs?
Huh. Bullshit.
Deliberate propaganda to create a willing volunteer experimental group to try out medical practices that wouldn't be allowed otherwise.
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Is this like the cell saver they have in the US? My husband had one used when he had his bladder removed because of bladder cancer. He lost half his blood volume, but didn't require a transfusion. The funny thing about the cell saver, that he agreed to, was that it didn't keep up a continuous circulation of blood, it collected it, they "cleaned" it, and returned it to his body. When I was talking to the elders about it, I was thinking to myself how that alone was against the "rules," only later to learn that they do now allow for it to be separated from the body for a "short" while, and then put back in. Made me wonder why, if they can allow that, they can't donate their own blood for future surgeries, which would be the same thing, really.
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When I was talking to the elders about it, I was thinking to myself how that alone was against the "rules," only later to learn that they do now allow for it to be separated from the body for a "short" while, and then put back in. Made me wonder why, if they can allow that, they can't donate their own blood for future surgeries, which would be the same thing, really.
It is actually quite simple.
The rules change as the technology changes - each technological advance needs another control group to test it out.
The 'doctrine' serves to dictate the parameters of that control group.
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Deliberate propaganda to create a willing volunteer experimental group to try out medical practices that wouldn't be allowed otherwise.
Jesus. This is haunting.
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Jesus. This is haunting.
Yes.
So is this:
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Wow! I never thought of it from that perspective. Indeed a volunteer test group!
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Is this like the cell saver they have in the US?
I believe it is similar. Someone has taken the technology and added another bell and a couple more whistles or something like that...and presto! another guinea pig pops out of the hat.
Wow! I never thought of it from that perspective. Indeed a volunteer test group!
Well, Figurin'...if you hadn't thought of that before, maybe you would like to churn the grey cells a bit more.
Try thinking on this for a while:
The beginning of the JW blood ban coincided with the end of the Second World War. You know...that war. The one that was notorious for human medical experiments and all that stuff. The war that produced the Nuremberg Code in its wake.
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The list would take forever to read if all the names were whacked on that list Dianne! It's so very sad to read the various ages of the people listed too ... and all based on what some idiots interpreted from a book written by a whole bunch of men from so long ago.
It doesn't surprise me that the blood ban coincided with the end of World War II. The WBTS is notorious for wanting to stand out and have test trials in court for all kinds of things. Having test trials for medical reasons isn't really a stretch of the imagination .... although WBTS supporters would say that we're trying to persecute them with our apostate lies!
My parents approached their local hospital committee who in turned approached the state (Western Australia) hospital committee ... asking what type of treatment my mother could have for her cancer. When my father told me that ... my incredulous reply was unprintable! Asking for permission? My parents are in their mid to late 70's!
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One of my girls aked about when I was in 2nd grade. I don't remember much about it really. It was 1979 and all I can remember is a teacher's strike, I think a solar eclipse, and it being cold and dark and raining alot. I am curious to see if that was an especially cold or rainy year or not and if the eclipse happened. Maybe I'll check that out.
1979 was also the year my mom started to attend Kingdom Hall. I remember my parents fighting like cats and dogs over this and feeling torn between them.
I also remember sitting as an outsider in school while the other kids made holiday crafts and had cup cakes for birthdays. My mom had told the school I wasn't to participate.
1979 sucked.
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Hi Marked. I often wondered how disrupting it would be for those kids whose parents joined up while the kids were in school. I was a born in and knew nothing about being normal so I accepted the fact that I was different. I bought it hook line and sinker. But then I was a baby boomer and life was a bit different in the 50's and 60's. You sound like you were born in the 70's as was my oldest son. I know that life was harder for kids then. Sometimes I feel badly that I made my kids go through the same stuff that I lived through. Being boys served them well however, and they did make the truth their own. The left. LOL It was shortly before me. Anyway, I am sorry that you had such a hard time as a kid. I am so happy for you to have found TTATT. You are one of the fortunate ones who can actually think for yourself. Smart Man.
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Marked, I was also in 2nd grade in 1979. So we're the same age. I was born into it. I always hated being different and always wanted to participate in holidays. Usually I would obey though, which meant I had to sit in the principal's office whenever the class had a holiday project to work on. Teachers really didn't know how to handle JW kids in the 70s, at least not where I went to school. Every now and then I would participate in school holiday activities, if I thought it wouldn't get back to my parents.
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I was in second grade when my mom came in too. It does suck to not do parties and stuff. My son was in second grade when we left. so I guess it all came full circle.
Sorry 1979 was such a bad year for you. I was 3 in 1979, and my parents knew nothing of the troof yet
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It was the pits, I had to sit in my seat. My parents didn't have the sense to have me sent to the library, so, I had to sit there and watch while the other kids had Halloween, Xmas and Birthday celebrations. But I'm an old man, that was prior to 1979. But not a dreadfully old man, not prior to 1969. 1969 was awesome, we were Lutheran then. Being Lutheran was awesome!
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Kev- We were Catholic before everything changed. that was fun too. Alot of up and down, almost like aerobics!
I remember a fight my mom and dad had when she first started studying. My dad had a quick wit and he said that if she became a JW he was going to become a Druid. I still think that is so funny to this day, only unfortunate that he didn't follow through and eventually caved. He told me before he passed that he converted to save his marriage but "came to accept that it was the truth over time." I don't know if I buy that though.
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I had my first baby in 1979. I remember it being unusually hot that summer.
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Kev- We were Catholic before everything changed. that was fun too. Alot of up and down, almost like aerobics!
I remember a fight my mom and dad had when she first started studying. My dad had a quick wit and he said that if she became a JW he was going to become a Druid. I still think that is so funny to this day, only unfortunate that he didn't follow through and eventually caved. He told me before he passed that he converted to save his marriage but "came to accept that it was the truth over time." I don't know if I buy that though.I remember my parents fighting too. The first fight was when Dad got someone playing Santa to come to the house. It was quite magical because I said I wanted a candy cane in my stocking and he pulled one out of his pocket on the spot. (Hoo-da-thunk Santa have a candy cane. right.? But I was only 5, so it seemed magical to me. Then he left and mom told me Santa wasn't real. Xmas was bad and we should not celebrate. Dad was very mad.
But by 3 years later Dad drank the kool-aid and we were at G'Ma's house telling her we were going to be JWs. She cried and asked what she did wrong. She said it would break up the family. My parents said it wouldn't. True to my parent's words, we did visit G'Ma every other week. True to my G'Ma's words, gone were the weddings, Xmas, Easter, Halloween, Birthdays and everything we did with my cousins and aunts and uncles. The one exception was the family picnic every summer, we did go to that. But that was only once a year, really tore me away from my Dad's family and I loved being with them.
I feel like our parent's indoctrination followed a similar path Marky-Dee.
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Getting misty brother. Love ya!
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1979 .......
I was 17 and fast heading towards freedom. At the time it seemed freedom was totally elusive but I persevered, bit my tongue many times ... and managed to hit December 1979 still in once piece. It was a year later than I grabbed hold of that freedom ... and I still have it all these years later.
Marked ....... it could not have been easy going from all things normal to all things jdub-so-NOT-normal .......... I often think it's harder for kids who have been dragged in by their parents ... than those of us who inherited it from birth.
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Hello everyone, I havenʻt been on here in awhile. Although I am not questioning my own sexuality I came across this amazing video today I wanted to share. I also wanted to say thanks to Sam,Rhonda,Tim,Cj,Valerie,Punkie and the many others on here that have helped me so much in my journey of recovery. Love you all, Derek
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That was very moving. Thank you for sharing.
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Derek ... that was a very VERY cleverly written movie! It's something kids should be shown!
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That was a good clip. Thank you for posting it.
I was in a situation some what similar back in the late 90s. Although, one's sexual preference wasn't as salient as it is in this film; one's sexuality was generally "known." It was a telemarketing call center, and the owner of the company was gay, and most of the floor supervisors were gay. Frankly, gay people had more status. It was a good experience for me, as being one of JWs, we were taught that homosexuality is wrong. Which also meant that I believed what they told me. I was "unlearning" what they taught me.
It appears that today the anti-homosexuality sentiment is becoming more institutionalized, rather than people openly showing hostility to someone because they are gay. I think this has to do with our government being too influence by conservative religion; and that lack of dialogue in our society with regard to sex and sexuality, particularly homosexuality. People do not like to discuss things on a deeper level. This is also true with race and racism. We don't discuss racism; in fact if you want to discuss racism or homosexuality, I mean "really" discuss it, you might be labeled a racist or homophobic--which could then turn into you being attacked.
On the bright side, we do, at least presently, live in an open society with regard to knowledge, so that one can still participate in their own learning and development with regard to these areas.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam. ???
2. When Jehobuh kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, he placed an angel at the gate and set up a twirling-whirling flaming sword thingy. Adam and Eve never saw a sword before, so how were they supposed to know it was blocking their way back? Does this mean that Jehobuh invented the first weapon of war? ???
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Yeah sure. And how did people who had no knowledge of good and bad find themselves having to choose ? According to christian mythology, Adam and Eve were commanded by God directly to not eat of a certain tree.
At that point, God was their father figure, and as they grew up, tested their boundaries as children do… they listened to the talking snake and ate the fruit. In a normal family that would be worth a month's grounding without TV privileges. But no, we are expected to believe that we inherited the sin of an uneducated original couple who had no frame of reference as to good or bad? Yeah sure… the more you examine it, the dumber it sounds. The whole premise of original sin/redemption sacrifice is ridiculous.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam. ???
Punishment for Eve's sin. To punish women who craved their men.
And the sword point, yeah, I geuss that's how they learned about implements of death, from their heavenly Dog.
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What does the rabbi do with all those severed foreskins? They would make good bird-food in the cold weather...
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What does the rabbi do with all those severed foreskins?
Well, in certain Jewish traditions, mostly the ultra-orthodox followers, after the rabbi has removed the infant's foreskin and sucked the infant's penis, the foreskin is given to the parents to use in ritual.
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Traditionally they are buried. That's what we did after our son's Bris. The requirement to do so is given in Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah, 265:10. Occasionally the parents will put a bush or (preferably) a fruit tree on top of the foreskin. Kabbalistic (mystical) interpretation of the reason is as follows:
"According to Kabbalah, the foreskin is the symbol of the negative consciousness/energy in our world. Therefore, after the Brit we must bury the foreskin immediately in the ground. Kabbalah tells us, the earth (soil) is the only matter that has the power to eliminate/diffuse all of the foreskin’s negativity. When it is buried, it must be done with the intention of helping to diminish the negative energy in the world. All people present at the Brit benefit from the diminishment of their own negative energy, so therefore it is advisable to invite as many people as possible to participate in the ceremony of the Brit Mila, to share the positive benefits."
Most hospitals dispose of the foreskin as medical waste but there are other uses for infant foreskins and some hospitals sell the foreskins - big money in it.
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Foreskin fibroblasts are used to grow and cultivate new cells that are then used for a variety of purposes. From the fibroblasts new skin for burn victims can be grown, skin to cover diabetic ulcers, and controversially it is also used to make cosmetic creams and collagens. One foreskin can be used for decades to grow $100,000 worth of fibroblasts.
Since the 1980's many hospitals have been providing infant foreskins to a number of bio-research laboratories, pharmaceutical companies, and of course cosmetic companies. In Mothering Magazine in the Winter of 1997 issue Paul M. Fleiss, MD stated that "the marketing of purloined baby foreskins is a multimillion-dollar-a-year industry." With inflation and the growing number of cosmetic companies using foreskin fibroblasts that number is surely even higher today.
Just think, guys...if you or your male children have been circumcised, some old lady somewhere might have some of your penis cells in a jar of face cream that she rubs into her face to keep the wrinkles away! smiley: laugh
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Does this mean that Jehobuh invented the first weapon of war? ???
Of course he did, Silly.
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Hey David, I'm loving your thought-provoking comments as usual...
So here's my take (as if anyone cares): What we call circumcision, a practice established 28 generations after the first penis was created, is all about a physical sign of the contract made between the Jewish people--ONLY them--and their God. Relax if you aren't contemplating becoming Jewish.
As for the question about the Hebrew word translated "sword" it has multiple meanings, a sword, a knife or any tool that cuts or trims.
As for God inventing warfare, there's no doubt about it. After all the title used for the Almighty more often than any other in the bible seems to be "God of Hosts". Tzava'ot doesn't mean the guy who invited you for dinner, it most often means--run for cover--big friggin' ARMIES!
Those same verses bring up another question I gotta' ask: the reason there was a guard at the entrance of Eden was to keep the people from "putting out his hand and taking from the tree of life, eating and living forever". (Gen. 3:22) Right? So...someone tell me, if they already HAD everlasting life as we've been taught, what was the problem with their eating from that tree? What difference would it make to God if they already had that?
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from a JW perspective....
1. It was because the Jews were going thru the desert (dessert would be better), and they didn't want sand under their foreskins and get disease.
2. The account was written after the event when swords did exist and this was the nearest thing the bible writer could find.
From my persprctive.....
Man has made god in his own image. In other words it's just men...god has failed to provide evidence of it's existance....all knowing and yet doesn't know how to prove it exists.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam. ???
Punishment for Eve's sin. To punish women who craved their men.Um...no.
Male circumcision does not punish women.
Male circumcision can be a good thing for women. It lowers the chances of women contacting cervical cancer.
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/cervical-cancer/news/20110106/male-circumcision-cuts-womens-cervical-cancer-risk
And...if you are referring to sexual pleasure being better with a non-circumcised man...you may have some women (and men) that disagree with you.
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I heard that the sucking of the penis after circumcision is causing herpes in babies' penises. If the rabbi doing it has the cold sore (herpes) virus, he'll pass it to the baby with that ritual.
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I once knew a guy who worked in the circumcision ward. The pay was awful, but he got to keep all the tips. Budda-bing-budda-bang.
I remember something about circumcision supposedly helps prevent disease... but I thought that had largely been disproved. If it was to be a mark of membership into the Hebrew community, I have to wonder if boys and men were told to pull off their garments for proof. I have never heard about sucking on the penis after the procedure. Sick and wrong. Yeah, the thing about the "tree of life" needing to be guarded... never made much sense to me. I remember the illustration in the "Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained," that awful vomit-orange colored children's book from the 1950's, and the twirling sword of flames. A lot of those images have stuck with me for more than 60 years.
I started this thread as a kind of joke... but there is a certain seriousness about it I suppose.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam.
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Circumcision is not a tradition of man, it is a Tradition of God used to represent the gospel..
When man died a spiritual death by disobeying one commandment of God. Man realizing he was spiritually naked tried to cover themselves with fig leaves.
Fig trees are reserved to be used as a metaphor to represent a Jew in regardless of their religious affiliation whether the are believers walking by faith or as those of no faith. The fig leaves did not provide the kind of covering needed that could represent a righteousness not of ourselves. So God clothed them with skin to indicate we are brought back into a relationship with a work God has finished to help us understand He is not served with human hands
Circumcision is a ceremonial law which uses that seen, the flesh, as the temporal thing of this world to be used as a shadow to point to the true spiritual substance as that not seen, the work of God pouring out spirit life. Ceremonial laws are used throughout the scriptures to typify the suffering of Christ before hand the the glory that did follow (salvation). When scripture uses circumcision it is used to represent the work of Christ when he was cut off from the land of the living as He poured out His Spirit as if it was blood. God helps us to understand His intention of preaching the gospel beforehand in that way using ceremonial laws.
We can see that according to the parable found in Exodus 4 below.
When we the bride of Christ the church think of circumcision we think of our bloody husband Christ who was cut off from the land of the living.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exodus 4:25
I am offering a couple verse that I believe support the use of ceremonial laws that again are used to represent the gospel in regard to Christ suffering beforehand and the glory of that finished work., the salvation of our soul..
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Jeremiah 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
2. When Jehobuh kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, he placed an angel at the gate and set up a twirling-whirling flaming sword thingy. Adam and Eve never saw a sword before,
so how were they supposed to know it was blocking their way back? Does this mean that Jehobuh invented the first weapon of war? ???
Swords are used in the scriptures to represent the defense of the gospel in respect to .God's word, as it is written. It is sometimes called double edged to indicate like a surgeons scalpel it cuts both ways to remove the dross of a new born again creature being formed by the word of God and judges the intentions of our heart,.The sword was not something that could be seen as if it was carnal in nature but is used to represent the faith that comes from hearing the word of God, as the very faith of God.
The weapons of God's warfare are not carnal.Christians walk by faith not by sight.
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Garee, I don't believe in your religion, but you did a good job explaining things.
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Cacky wrote:
Garee, I don't believe in your religion, but you did a good job explaining things.
Thanks for offering that.
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Garee, welcome to the site. Most of us here have woken up from the harmful effects of unquestioned religious belief.
You may personally have a clear vision of how it all should be... but I must take you to task about your assertions that circumcision is a “Tradition of God used to represent the gospel..”
If instead of making the words of the Bible sacred... which they are not, you looked at the sources of the Bible and the cultural context in which they were written; you would find a completely different world of meaning.
Over time, circumcision has been a widespread tribal signifier and very popular in the USA but no authority can pinpoint its precise origin, nevertheless there is no reason to think that it is other than a human ordinance.
Since much of religious belief of the Bible stems from Egyptian sentiment, the Egyptian practice of circumcision, like many of their hygiene measures, was a precedent for the upwardly aspiring Semites of Canaan to copy. Egyptian practice greatly pre-dates the Jewish tale of God’s covenant with Abraham. The OT writings were nation-making myths written mainly from the fifth and sixth century BCE, hence a very long time after the events portrayed.
Preaching is declaring heartening words to true believers. Conversely, proper understanding comes from sceptical questioning and examination of the evidence. It is absurd to say that circumcision is a tradition of God.
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Another point I often think of. If God's creation was perfect then he didn't have a very good track record if the first two creations did not live up to expectations. If he knew in advance that they were going to fail what kind of a sick being is he to have gone ahead with this experiment. And if he didn't know then he was not all knowing and simply throwing his human experiment at a wall to see what would stick. Of course we were taught that Jehovah created all things through Jesus. That brings up the question of God allowing an incompetent team member to continue working on a flawed creation.
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Sadly most witnesses are gullible and even naive because good grief; it is expected of you! You shall believe!!
I always tended towards being sceptical, which ultimately got me out of the cult but since leaving I have seen how the world works. Any authority is in a position to use propaganda to influence minds... and it always does. I have learned that wherever there is power, especially unchecked power as in religious cults, there is abuse.
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A long aquaintance with the literature of the Witnesses leads one to the conclusion that they live in the intellectual ‘twilight zone’.
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Good thread Halfie ...................
I grew up doing what I was told but never really believing any of it. Having the courage to walk out when I did ... saved me from a lifetime of unhappiness and regret. I don't think I'd have been able to go down the fake jdub route ..... I'm far too vocal and definitely don't wear guilt or fear so easily!
What have I learned since leaving?
I've learned that life doesn't have to be filled with guilt ... or fear ... or recrimination. I've learned that it's okay to do things for yourself and it's NOT selfish to have a little pleasure (or a lot of pleasure) in life. I've learned that emotional blackmail in the hands of religious people can be extraordinarily dangerous. I've learned that religion is not my cup of tea and never will be again. I've learned that some people need or want religion, others don't and the rest haven't yet made up their minds.
Best thing I've learned ... is that life is for living and not just for 'getting by' until the world ends.
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I've learned:
It's important to truly listen and give consideration to other viewpoints without having a pre planned retort;
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Having the greatest positive contribution in life does not involve preaching at others, but rather supporting others;
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Life is for living and not just for 'getting by' until the world ends.
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Rhonda you put it all so perfectly.
I also really believe that there are not cut-and-dried, black-or-white answers to every big life question. If some still want to have some sort of religious or spiritual experience, more power to them; because having a strong faith truly does sustain millions and millions of people. But that is all it is - faith. No one knows for sure.
So I have learned, like Figuring, to really listen to others and what they believe, and never again waste a second on criticizing their viewpoints in my mind. I have developed much more humility; realizing that I don't, and I never did, have all the answers.
And instead of focusing on all the bad things in the world, I try to focus on how far mankind has come and how many incredibly awesome people there are out there who have spent their lives doing amazing things for others just because they are really that wonderful (and not because of some far-off, vague promise of life everlasting in paradise on earth).
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I have learned to live each day as authentically as I can. Each morning that I wake up it's with a little declaration of "Yes"! I am more aware of the little wonders in life that I might have missed before on my quest for eternal life in paradise. Paradise is often right out my door when I step out into my back yard and listen to the sounds of birds and the sounds and images of life being busy with a new day. The smiles and hugs from friends and family today are worth far more than a picture in a magazine of someone else's idea of paradise.
I've also learned that the Bible is just a book and one written by the hand and with the thoughts of mere men who lived in a much harsher time with values that are unacceptable to me in this day and age especially since I'm a woman. I've learned that a lot of it's counsel is wrong and unhealthy. A very small amount of what it says that is actually good was said by other wise ones through the ages. It's just a book (or collection of books). It's ominous tones no longer threaten me and in fact, I find them sickening so I don't give it's words any power over me. I let them go.
I've learned that I still have so much more to learn. There is no one 'truth'
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"I've also learned that the Bible is just a book and one written by the hand and with the thoughts of mere men who lived in a much harsher time with values that are unacceptable to me in this day and age especially since I'm a woman. I've learned that a lot of it's counsel is wrong and unhealthy. A very small amount of what it says that is actually good was said by other wise ones through the ages. It's just a book (or collection of books). It's ominous tones no longer threaten me and in fact, I find them sickening so I don't give it's words any power over me. I let them go.
I've learned that I still have so much more to learn. There is no one 'truth'"
This is said so beautifully, and represents so clearly how I feel about the Bible, that I hope whytebyrd2 will allow me to use these words to represent my present beliefs......clapping Pals
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Diversity in belief is okay. So is unbelief.
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I've learned that:
1) the importance of religion is to teach yourself how to be, everything about the supernatural is an unhelpful distraction.
2) the books included in the bible were not only written by man, but, selected and modified by man as part of political processes. Most people who claim to know and believe the bible have no idea who and how the books and versions of those books were chosen. We learned scriptures as JW's but, we did not learn how the Roman Empire/Emperor/Early Catholic church shaped and chose the writings to include in the bible.
3) Jesus was right about this : You really shouldn't judge people. I keep relearning this. I have judged other gay parents who opted out of raising their children and disappeared from their kid's life. Certainly have judged other people who have absconded with their children to raise them away from a former spouse. If I had it to do all over again, I think I would still do close to the same, but, I am certainly less cocky thinking I did things the right way. I can understand why some do these things.
4) You all have learned some important lessons after leaving the WTBS. Good question, good replies.
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I've learned to live life.
I've learned about Humanism.....like the idea of that.
I've learned to make some superb friends who are genuine people, and would do anything for you.
Well, I told the past to kiss my ass and turned and slammed the door.!!
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Well now half banana.. there's a right question eh?
I learned that freedom should be free.
That true freedom is a fantasy.
That crime will always be legal.
That there is no God.
That mental health issues are more common than most people realise.
That discrimination is rampant.
That choices are nigh on impossible to see through mind manipulation.
To listen to yourself - you wont go far wrong.
To listen to your body - you wont go far wrong.
That your personal happiness is far more important that the forced wishes of a money making scam masquerading as a religion.
That being a parent is entirely different to how i was raised.
That i'm brighter and smarter than folk lead me to believe.
And heaps of stuff i can't think of right now...
Blimey, half banana.. what a question!
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I Learned while a jw that it's best to trust your instincts. For awhile, I shunned my daughter who was df'd, the worst mistake of my life. I'm still plagued with guilt about it. But I've learned to trust my instincts, and I believe that's what led up to my being able to leave the religion.
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If we were all to treat the religion of our birth or religion of our choice (depending how we contracted it) as a HABIT rather than just as a religion ... then perhaps we would be less hard on ourselves and more open to giving ourselves leeway to break our habit!
"Life is too short to spend with people who suck the happiness out of you!"
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So true.
One of their favorite mantras is: "Bad associations spoil useful habits."
What does this mean? That you're a weak person, highly vulnerable to the wishes and whims of others, including higher education. You're not capable of making reasonable good decisions for yourself. Therefore you have to accept everything the governing body, or faithful and discreet slave, says. Why? Because they are the only legitimate source of how one is to understand the word of God; in fact, one cannot understand the word of God w/o them. Moreover, they're a good association! Therefore, read there literature voraciously, and considering how challenging their literature is to read ( . . . not!), act dumb; in fact, watchtower literature makes one act dumb. smiley: sick
Today I look back at some of the things they write, and you know . . . it's pretty stupid.
I've learned to be very happy that I no longer have to "try" and believe their infantile, "dumbing-down" information.
Cacky, I hope your relationship with your daughter is better, and you no longer have to beat yourself up over what happened in the past. Being a witness made us all bureaucrats; the importance of being a member of their organization superseded everything.
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Further to your thought Andria, religions only exist because children are indoctrinated by parents or parents permit religious authorities to do so. If an adult were to be confronted with such fantastical stories, they would not become believers.
Looking back on the replies to the question “what have we learned since leaving the organisation?”... I think you’ll agree it has been quite revealing.
It shows that unlike our former JW selves, we have all grown and become more self-reliant. We are broader-minded, more accepting, not judgemental, better listeners without stock retorts, have permitted personal fulfillment (as if permission were ever needed) we are more positive, we see in colour as opposed to narrow doctrinal imperatives. We have learned that there is no monopoly on truth, whereas we are tolerant of other’s beliefs or the lack of, the supernatural is for many just a distraction from the real issues of enjoying what we are. We value the family for its intrinsic goodness and have put the Bible in its place as a more commonplace anthology of literature. We have learned that ’the world’ is full of lovely genuine people and understood what freedom is , instead of following religious rules; now we listen to our own inner voice.
All in all, it could seem like we have become paragons of human virtue!
Well not quite... I think Sam has brilliantly balanced these issues by saying nevertheless ”that life is frustrating, sad, terrifying, confusing, exhilarating............ and far too short!!”
A long aquaintance with the literature of the Witnesses leads one to the conclusion that they live in the intellectual ‘twilight zone’.
Alan Rogerson, Millions now Living will NeverDie: A Study of Jehovah’s Witnesses, (p116 Constable, London 1969).
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I guess the biggest eye opener for me is that the world (not 'the world') is full of good people. I no longer believe that people are bad or worthy of death.
I no longer believe in SIN. Sin does not exist. Human expectation exists. But so does empathy and I hope empathy wins out in the end.
I have learned how powerful a tool metaphor (or illustrations) can be for persuading people. My lecturers at university employ metaphor to great effect in helping us understand and memorize difficult and complex processes and concepts. JW use metaphor to great effect to brainwash millions of people.
I have learned TRUE tolerance and the value of a non-judgmental attitude.
I am cooking dinner right now so I have to go and attend to my dish but there are sooooooo many things I have learned since leaving the borg. I would love to go on listing them here but I just don't have the time. Ultimately, my life is immeasurably richer and more peaceful for having left the JWs.
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. And grow up. And move on. Reasonable people don't write letters because... A: They have lives and B, they understand it's just TV. C: If they see something they don't like, something they do like might be on later. I've seen many comics I've hated. I've seen many shows that have offended me. I've never written a letter. I just go about my life.
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I have learned that the Governing Body(tm) and the watchtower corporations(r) deserve to face charges for crimes against humanity.
I've learned there can't possibly be a god otherwise none of this crap would have been happening so long.
I've learned life is actually graded depending on privileges at birth. Working class b@stards like me will die in poverty unfulfilled in life.
Regards Paul (MDA - Mentally diseased apostate)!
Just remember. Neither The Watchtower(TM) nor the elders(TM) nor anyone in the 'truth'(TM) have any authority over you. Once you accept this you're well on your way to living!
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John Cedars (google Cedars' blog) has a new post about a Finnish NGO that is asking for the government to look into the Watchtower religion because of the shunning policy and it looks like they will be looking into it. Good news.
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Hello everyone, I havenʻt been on here in awhile. Although I am not questioning my own sexuality I came across this amazing video today I wanted to share. I also wanted to say thanks to Sam,Rhonda,Tim,Cj,Valerie,Punkie and the many others on here that have helped me so much in my journey of recovery. Love you all, Derek
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That was very moving. Thank you for sharing.
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Derek ... that was a very VERY cleverly written movie! It's something kids should be shown!
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That was a good clip. Thank you for posting it.
I was in a situation some what similar back in the late 90s. Although, one's sexual preference wasn't as salient as it is in this film; one's sexuality was generally "known." It was a telemarketing call center, and the owner of the company was gay, and most of the floor supervisors were gay. Frankly, gay people had more status. It was a good experience for me, as being one of JWs, we were taught that homosexuality is wrong. Which also meant that I believed what they told me. I was "unlearning" what they taught me.
It appears that today the anti-homosexuality sentiment is becoming more institutionalized, rather than people openly showing hostility to someone because they are gay. I think this has to do with our government being too influence by conservative religion; and that lack of dialogue in our society with regard to sex and sexuality, particularly homosexuality. People do not like to discuss things on a deeper level. This is also true with race and racism. We don't discuss racism; in fact if you want to discuss racism or homosexuality, I mean "really" discuss it, you might be labeled a racist or homophobic--which could then turn into you being attacked.
On the bright side, we do, at least presently, live in an open society with regard to knowledge, so that one can still participate in their own learning and development with regard to these areas.
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One of my girls aked about when I was in 2nd grade. I don't remember much about it really. It was 1979 and all I can remember is a teacher's strike, I think a solar eclipse, and it being cold and dark and raining alot. I am curious to see if that was an especially cold or rainy year or not and if the eclipse happened. Maybe I'll check that out.
1979 was also the year my mom started to attend Kingdom Hall. I remember my parents fighting like cats and dogs over this and feeling torn between them.
I also remember sitting as an outsider in school while the other kids made holiday crafts and had cup cakes for birthdays. My mom had told the school I wasn't to participate.
1979 sucked.
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Hi Marked. I often wondered how disrupting it would be for those kids whose parents joined up while the kids were in school. I was a born in and knew nothing about being normal so I accepted the fact that I was different. I bought it hook line and sinker. But then I was a baby boomer and life was a bit different in the 50's and 60's. You sound like you were born in the 70's as was my oldest son. I know that life was harder for kids then. Sometimes I feel badly that I made my kids go through the same stuff that I lived through. Being boys served them well however, and they did make the truth their own. The left. LOL It was shortly before me. Anyway, I am sorry that you had such a hard time as a kid. I am so happy for you to have found TTATT. You are one of the fortunate ones who can actually think for yourself. Smart Man.
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Marked, I was also in 2nd grade in 1979. So we're the same age. I was born into it. I always hated being different and always wanted to participate in holidays. Usually I would obey though, which meant I had to sit in the principal's office whenever the class had a holiday project to work on. Teachers really didn't know how to handle JW kids in the 70s, at least not where I went to school. Every now and then I would participate in school holiday activities, if I thought it wouldn't get back to my parents.
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I was in second grade when my mom came in too. It does suck to not do parties and stuff. My son was in second grade when we left. so I guess it all came full circle.
Sorry 1979 was such a bad year for you. I was 3 in 1979, and my parents knew nothing of the troof yet
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It was the pits, I had to sit in my seat. My parents didn't have the sense to have me sent to the library, so, I had to sit there and watch while the other kids had Halloween, Xmas and Birthday celebrations. But I'm an old man, that was prior to 1979. But not a dreadfully old man, not prior to 1969. 1969 was awesome, we were Lutheran then. Being Lutheran was awesome!
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Kev- We were Catholic before everything changed. that was fun too. Alot of up and down, almost like aerobics!
I remember a fight my mom and dad had when she first started studying. My dad had a quick wit and he said that if she became a JW he was going to become a Druid. I still think that is so funny to this day, only unfortunate that he didn't follow through and eventually caved. He told me before he passed that he converted to save his marriage but "came to accept that it was the truth over time." I don't know if I buy that though.
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I had my first baby in 1979. I remember it being unusually hot that summer.
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Kev- We were Catholic before everything changed. that was fun too. Alot of up and down, almost like aerobics!
I remember a fight my mom and dad had when she first started studying. My dad had a quick wit and he said that if she became a JW he was going to become a Druid. I still think that is so funny to this day, only unfortunate that he didn't follow through and eventually caved. He told me before he passed that he converted to save his marriage but "came to accept that it was the truth over time." I don't know if I buy that though.I remember my parents fighting too. The first fight was when Dad got someone playing Santa to come to the house. It was quite magical because I said I wanted a candy cane in my stocking and he pulled one out of his pocket on the spot. (Hoo-da-thunk Santa have a candy cane. right.? But I was only 5, so it seemed magical to me. Then he left and mom told me Santa wasn't real. Xmas was bad and we should not celebrate. Dad was very mad.
But by 3 years later Dad drank the kool-aid and we were at G'Ma's house telling her we were going to be JWs. She cried and asked what she did wrong. She said it would break up the family. My parents said it wouldn't. True to my parent's words, we did visit G'Ma every other week. True to my G'Ma's words, gone were the weddings, Xmas, Easter, Halloween, Birthdays and everything we did with my cousins and aunts and uncles. The one exception was the family picnic every summer, we did go to that. But that was only once a year, really tore me away from my Dad's family and I loved being with them.
I feel like our parent's indoctrination followed a similar path Marky-Dee.
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Getting misty brother. Love ya!
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1979 .......
I was 17 and fast heading towards freedom. At the time it seemed freedom was totally elusive but I persevered, bit my tongue many times ... and managed to hit December 1979 still in once piece. It was a year later than I grabbed hold of that freedom ... and I still have it all these years later.
Marked ....... it could not have been easy going from all things normal to all things jdub-so-NOT-normal .......... I often think it's harder for kids who have been dragged in by their parents ... than those of us who inherited it from birth.
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Ian McEwan is one of my favourite authors, so I am so glad he has taken on the JWs.
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Interesting.
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Hmm ... must find this one!
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Sadly most witnesses are gullible and even naive because good grief; it is expected of you! You shall believe!!
I always tended towards being sceptical, which ultimately got me out of the cult but since leaving I have seen how the world works. Any authority is in a position to use propaganda to influence minds... and it always does. I have learned that wherever there is power, especially unchecked power as in religious cults, there is abuse.
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A long aquaintance with the literature of the Witnesses leads one to the conclusion that they live in the intellectual ‘twilight zone’.
Alan Rogerson, Millions now Living will NeverDie: A Study of Jehovah’s Witnesses, (p116 Constable, London 1969).
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Good thread Halfie ...................
I grew up doing what I was told but never really believing any of it. Having the courage to walk out when I did ... saved me from a lifetime of unhappiness and regret. I don't think I'd have been able to go down the fake jdub route ..... I'm far too vocal and definitely don't wear guilt or fear so easily!
What have I learned since leaving?
I've learned that life doesn't have to be filled with guilt ... or fear ... or recrimination. I've learned that it's okay to do things for yourself and it's NOT selfish to have a little pleasure (or a lot of pleasure) in life. I've learned that emotional blackmail in the hands of religious people can be extraordinarily dangerous. I've learned that religion is not my cup of tea and never will be again. I've learned that some people need or want religion, others don't and the rest haven't yet made up their minds.
Best thing I've learned ... is that life is for living and not just for 'getting by' until the world ends.
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I've learned:
It's important to truly listen and give consideration to other viewpoints without having a pre planned retort;
It's illogical to be 'no part of the world' that we live in;
Having the greatest positive contribution in life does not involve preaching at others, but rather supporting others;
Religion often makes people far too serious. Humor makes life so much better.
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Life is for living and not just for 'getting by' until the world ends.
Love this Andria!
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Rhonda you put it all so perfectly.
I also really believe that there are not cut-and-dried, black-or-white answers to every big life question. If some still want to have some sort of religious or spiritual experience, more power to them; because having a strong faith truly does sustain millions and millions of people. But that is all it is - faith. No one knows for sure.
So I have learned, like Figuring, to really listen to others and what they believe, and never again waste a second on criticizing their viewpoints in my mind. I have developed much more humility; realizing that I don't, and I never did, have all the answers.
And instead of focusing on all the bad things in the world, I try to focus on how far mankind has come and how many incredibly awesome people there are out there who have spent their lives doing amazing things for others just because they are really that wonderful (and not because of some far-off, vague promise of life everlasting in paradise on earth).
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I've learned that life is frustrating, sad, terrifying, confusing, exhilarating............ and far too short!!
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I have learned there is nothing more important in this world than my wife and children and no matter what happens I always, without exception, want them as close as possible. There is nothing that could (or ever will) change that. Nothing!
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I have learned I don't need my parents. Sure, I miss them, but they don't give a crap about me. I'm doing just fine with my husband and kids.
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I have learned to live each day as authentically as I can. Each morning that I wake up it's with a little declaration of "Yes"! I am more aware of the little wonders in life that I might have missed before on my quest for eternal life in paradise. Paradise is often right out my door when I step out into my back yard and listen to the sounds of birds and the sounds and images of life being busy with a new day. The smiles and hugs from friends and family today are worth far more than a picture in a magazine of someone else's idea of paradise.
I've also learned that the Bible is just a book and one written by the hand and with the thoughts of mere men who lived in a much harsher time with values that are unacceptable to me in this day and age especially since I'm a woman. I've learned that a lot of it's counsel is wrong and unhealthy. A very small amount of what it says that is actually good was said by other wise ones through the ages. It's just a book (or collection of books). It's ominous tones no longer threaten me and in fact, I find them sickening so I don't give it's words any power over me. I let them go.
I've learned that I still have so much more to learn. There is no one 'truth'
Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
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"I've also learned that the Bible is just a book and one written by the hand and with the thoughts of mere men who lived in a much harsher time with values that are unacceptable to me in this day and age especially since I'm a woman. I've learned that a lot of it's counsel is wrong and unhealthy. A very small amount of what it says that is actually good was said by other wise ones through the ages. It's just a book (or collection of books). It's ominous tones no longer threaten me and in fact, I find them sickening so I don't give it's words any power over me. I let them go.
I've learned that I still have so much more to learn. There is no one 'truth'"
This is said so beautifully, and represents so clearly how I feel about the Bible, that I hope whytebyrd2 will allow me to use these words to represent my present beliefs......clapping Pals
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I have learned that:
Diversity in belief is okay. So is unbelief.
Independent thinking is much better than herd mentality.
People who have the ability to love conditionally are not the kind of people that I want to be around. Ever.
It is okay to be happy and enjoy life!
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I've learned that:
1) the importance of religion is to teach yourself how to be, everything about the supernatural is an unhelpful distraction.
2) the books included in the bible were not only written by man, but, selected and modified by man as part of political processes. Most people who claim to know and believe the bible have no idea who and how the books and versions of those books were chosen. We learned scriptures as JW's but, we did not learn how the Roman Empire/Emperor/Early Catholic church shaped and chose the writings to include in the bible.
3) Jesus was right about this : You really shouldn't judge people. I keep relearning this. I have judged other gay parents who opted out of raising their children and disappeared from their kid's life. Certainly have judged other people who have absconded with their children to raise them away from a former spouse. If I had it to do all over again, I think I would still do close to the same, but, I am certainly less cocky thinking I did things the right way. I can understand why some do these things.
4) You all have learned some important lessons after leaving the WTBS. Good question, good replies.
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I've learned to live life.
I've learned about Humanism.....like the idea of that.
I've learned to make some superb friends who are genuine people, and would do anything for you.
Well, I told the past to kiss my ass and turned and slammed the door.!!
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Well now half banana.. there's a right question eh?
I learned that freedom should be free.
That true freedom is a fantasy.
That crime will always be legal.
That there is no God.
That mental health issues are more common than most people realise.
That discrimination is rampant.
That choices are nigh on impossible to see through mind manipulation.
To listen to yourself - you wont go far wrong.
To listen to your body - you wont go far wrong.
That your personal happiness is far more important that the forced wishes of a money making scam masquerading as a religion.
That being a parent is entirely different to how i was raised.
That i'm brighter and smarter than folk lead me to believe.
And heaps of stuff i can't think of right now...
Blimey, half banana.. what a question!
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I Learned while a jw that it's best to trust your instincts. For awhile, I shunned my daughter who was df'd, the worst mistake of my life. I'm still plagued with guilt about it. But I've learned to trust my instincts, and I believe that's what led up to my being able to leave the religion.
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If we were all to treat the religion of our birth or religion of our choice (depending how we contracted it) as a HABIT rather than just as a religion ... then perhaps we would be less hard on ourselves and more open to giving ourselves leeway to break our habit!
"Life is too short to spend with people who suck the happiness out of you!"
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So true.
One of their favorite mantras is: "Bad associations spoil useful habits."
What does this mean? That you're a weak person, highly vulnerable to the wishes and whims of others, including higher education. You're not capable of making reasonable good decisions for yourself. Therefore you have to accept everything the governing body, or faithful and discreet slave, says. Why? Because they are the only legitimate source of how one is to understand the word of God; in fact, one cannot understand the word of God w/o them. Moreover, they're a good association! Therefore, read there literature voraciously, and considering how challenging their literature is to read ( . . . not!), act dumb; in fact, watchtower literature makes one act dumb. smiley: sick
Today I look back at some of the things they write, and you know . . . it's pretty stupid.
I've learned to be very happy that I no longer have to "try" and believe their infantile, "dumbing-down" information.
Cacky, I hope your relationship with your daughter is better, and you no longer have to beat yourself up over what happened in the past. Being a witness made us all bureaucrats; the importance of being a member of their organization superseded everything.
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Further to your thought Andria, religions only exist because children are indoctrinated by parents or parents permit religious authorities to do so. If an adult were to be confronted with such fantastical stories, they would not become believers.
Looking back on the replies to the question “what have we learned since leaving the organisation?”... I think you’ll agree it has been quite revealing.
It shows that unlike our former JW selves, we have all grown and become more self-reliant. We are broader-minded, more accepting, not judgemental, better listeners without stock retorts, have permitted personal fulfillment (as if permission were ever needed) we are more positive, we see in colour as opposed to narrow doctrinal imperatives. We have learned that there is no monopoly on truth, whereas we are tolerant of other’s beliefs or the lack of, the supernatural is for many just a distraction from the real issues of enjoying what we are. We value the family for its intrinsic goodness and have put the Bible in its place as a more commonplace anthology of literature. We have learned that ’the world’ is full of lovely genuine people and understood what freedom is , instead of following religious rules; now we listen to our own inner voice.
All in all, it could seem like we have become paragons of human virtue!
Well not quite... I think Sam has brilliantly balanced these issues by saying nevertheless ”that life is frustrating, sad, terrifying, confusing, exhilarating............ and far too short!!”
A long aquaintance with the literature of the Witnesses leads one to the conclusion that they live in the intellectual ‘twilight zone’.
Alan Rogerson, Millions now Living will NeverDie: A Study of Jehovah’s Witnesses, (p116 Constable, London 1969).
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I guess the biggest eye opener for me is that the world (not 'the world') is full of good people. I no longer believe that people are bad or worthy of death.
I no longer believe in SIN. Sin does not exist. Human expectation exists. But so does empathy and I hope empathy wins out in the end.
I have learned how powerful a tool metaphor (or illustrations) can be for persuading people. My lecturers at university employ metaphor to great effect in helping us understand and memorize difficult and complex processes and concepts. JW use metaphor to great effect to brainwash millions of people.
I have learned TRUE tolerance and the value of a non-judgmental attitude.
I am cooking dinner right now so I have to go and attend to my dish but there are sooooooo many things I have learned since leaving the borg. I would love to go on listing them here but I just don't have the time. Ultimately, my life is immeasurably richer and more peaceful for having left the JWs.
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. And grow up. And move on. Reasonable people don't write letters because... A: They have lives and B, they understand it's just TV. C: If they see something they don't like, something they do like might be on later. I've seen many comics I've hated. I've seen many shows that have offended me. I've never written a letter. I just go about my life.
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I have learned that the Governing Body(tm) and the watchtower corporations(r) deserve to face charges for crimes against humanity.
I've learned there can't possibly be a god otherwise none of this crap would have been happening so long.
I've learned life is actually graded depending on privileges at birth. Working class b@stards like me will die in poverty unfulfilled in life.
Regards Paul (MDA - Mentally diseased apostate)!
Just remember. Neither The Watchtower(TM) nor the elders(TM) nor anyone in the 'truth'(TM) have any authority over you. Once you accept this you're well on your way to living!
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam. ???
2. When Jehobuh kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, he placed an angel at the gate and set up a twirling-whirling flaming sword thingy. Adam and Eve never saw a sword before, so how were they supposed to know it was blocking their way back? Does this mean that Jehobuh invented the first weapon of war? ???
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Yeah sure. And how did people who had no knowledge of good and bad find themselves having to choose ? According to christian mythology, Adam and Eve were commanded by God directly to not eat of a certain tree.
At that point, God was their father figure, and as they grew up, tested their boundaries as children do… they listened to the talking snake and ate the fruit. In a normal family that would be worth a month's grounding without TV privileges. But no, we are expected to believe that we inherited the sin of an uneducated original couple who had no frame of reference as to good or bad? Yeah sure… the more you examine it, the dumber it sounds. The whole premise of original sin/redemption sacrifice is ridiculous.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam. ???
Punishment for Eve's sin. To punish women who craved their men.
And the sword point, yeah, I geuss that's how they learned about implements of death, from their heavenly Dog.
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What does the rabbi do with all those severed foreskins? They would make good bird-food in the cold weather...
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What does the rabbi do with all those severed foreskins?
Well, in certain Jewish traditions, mostly the ultra-orthodox followers, after the rabbi has removed the infant's foreskin and sucked the infant's penis, the foreskin is given to the parents to use in ritual.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110304153557AAHxzRs
Traditionally they are buried. That's what we did after our son's Bris. The requirement to do so is given in Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh Deah, 265:10. Occasionally the parents will put a bush or (preferably) a fruit tree on top of the foreskin. Kabbalistic (mystical) interpretation of the reason is as follows:
"According to Kabbalah, the foreskin is the symbol of the negative consciousness/energy in our world. Therefore, after the Brit we must bury the foreskin immediately in the ground. Kabbalah tells us, the earth (soil) is the only matter that has the power to eliminate/diffuse all of the foreskin’s negativity. When it is buried, it must be done with the intention of helping to diminish the negative energy in the world. All people present at the Brit benefit from the diminishment of their own negative energy, so therefore it is advisable to invite as many people as possible to participate in the ceremony of the Brit Mila, to share the positive benefits."
Most hospitals dispose of the foreskin as medical waste but there are other uses for infant foreskins and some hospitals sell the foreskins - big money in it.
http://voices.yahoo.com/human-foreskins-big-business-cosmetics-201840.html
Foreskin fibroblasts are used to grow and cultivate new cells that are then used for a variety of purposes. From the fibroblasts new skin for burn victims can be grown, skin to cover diabetic ulcers, and controversially it is also used to make cosmetic creams and collagens. One foreskin can be used for decades to grow $100,000 worth of fibroblasts.
Since the 1980's many hospitals have been providing infant foreskins to a number of bio-research laboratories, pharmaceutical companies, and of course cosmetic companies. In Mothering Magazine in the Winter of 1997 issue Paul M. Fleiss, MD stated that "the marketing of purloined baby foreskins is a multimillion-dollar-a-year industry." With inflation and the growing number of cosmetic companies using foreskin fibroblasts that number is surely even higher today.
Just think, guys...if you or your male children have been circumcised, some old lady somewhere might have some of your penis cells in a jar of face cream that she rubs into her face to keep the wrinkles away! smiley: laugh
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Does this mean that Jehobuh invented the first weapon of war? ???
Of course he did, Silly.
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Jehobah made EBERYTING.
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Hey David, I'm loving your thought-provoking comments as usual...
So here's my take (as if anyone cares): What we call circumcision, a practice established 28 generations after the first penis was created, is all about a physical sign of the contract made between the Jewish people--ONLY them--and their God. Relax if you aren't contemplating becoming Jewish.
As for the question about the Hebrew word translated "sword" it has multiple meanings, a sword, a knife or any tool that cuts or trims.
As for God inventing warfare, there's no doubt about it. After all the title used for the Almighty more often than any other in the bible seems to be "God of Hosts". Tzava'ot doesn't mean the guy who invited you for dinner, it most often means--run for cover--big friggin' ARMIES!
Those same verses bring up another question I gotta' ask: the reason there was a guard at the entrance of Eden was to keep the people from "putting out his hand and taking from the tree of life, eating and living forever". (Gen. 3:22) Right? So...someone tell me, if they already HAD everlasting life as we've been taught, what was the problem with their eating from that tree? What difference would it make to God if they already had that?
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from a JW perspective....
1. It was because the Jews were going thru the desert (dessert would be better), and they didn't want sand under their foreskins and get disease.
2. The account was written after the event when swords did exist and this was the nearest thing the bible writer could find.
From my persprctive.....
Man has made god in his own image. In other words it's just men...god has failed to provide evidence of it's existance....all knowing and yet doesn't know how to prove it exists.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam. ???
Punishment for Eve's sin. To punish women who craved their men.Um...no.
Male circumcision does not punish women.
Male circumcision can be a good thing for women. It lowers the chances of women contacting cervical cancer.
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/cervical-cancer/news/20110106/male-circumcision-cuts-womens-cervical-cancer-risk
And...if you are referring to sexual pleasure being better with a non-circumcised man...you may have some women (and men) that disagree with you.
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I heard that the sucking of the penis after circumcision is causing herpes in babies' penises. If the rabbi doing it has the cold sore (herpes) virus, he'll pass it to the baby with that ritual.
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I once knew a guy who worked in the circumcision ward. The pay was awful, but he got to keep all the tips. Budda-bing-budda-bang.
I remember something about circumcision supposedly helps prevent disease... but I thought that had largely been disproved. If it was to be a mark of membership into the Hebrew community, I have to wonder if boys and men were told to pull off their garments for proof. I have never heard about sucking on the penis after the procedure. Sick and wrong. Yeah, the thing about the "tree of life" needing to be guarded... never made much sense to me. I remember the illustration in the "Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained," that awful vomit-orange colored children's book from the 1950's, and the twirling sword of flames. A lot of those images have stuck with me for more than 60 years.
I started this thread as a kind of joke... but there is a certain seriousness about it I suppose.
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1. Jehobuh made Adam and Eve perfect. Did Adam have a foreskin? If so, why did Jehobuh make all the Hebrew men cut theirs off? Maybe Jehobuh made a mistake when he created Adam.
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Circumcision is not a tradition of man, it is a Tradition of God used to represent the gospel..
When man died a spiritual death by disobeying one commandment of God. Man realizing he was spiritually naked tried to cover themselves with fig leaves.
Fig trees are reserved to be used as a metaphor to represent a Jew in regardless of their religious affiliation whether the are believers walking by faith or as those of no faith. The fig leaves did not provide the kind of covering needed that could represent a righteousness not of ourselves. So God clothed them with skin to indicate we are brought back into a relationship with a work God has finished to help us understand He is not served with human hands
Circumcision is a ceremonial law which uses that seen, the flesh, as the temporal thing of this world to be used as a shadow to point to the true spiritual substance as that not seen, the work of God pouring out spirit life. Ceremonial laws are used throughout the scriptures to typify the suffering of Christ before hand the the glory that did follow (salvation). When scripture uses circumcision it is used to represent the work of Christ when he was cut off from the land of the living as He poured out His Spirit as if it was blood. God helps us to understand His intention of preaching the gospel beforehand in that way using ceremonial laws.
We can see that according to the parable found in Exodus 4 below.
When we the bride of Christ the church think of circumcision we think of our bloody husband Christ who was cut off from the land of the living.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exodus 4:25
I am offering a couple verse that I believe support the use of ceremonial laws that again are used to represent the gospel in regard to Christ suffering beforehand and the glory of that finished work., the salvation of our soul..
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Jeremiah 11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
2. When Jehobuh kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, he placed an angel at the gate and set up a twirling-whirling flaming sword thingy. Adam and Eve never saw a sword before,
so how were they supposed to know it was blocking their way back? Does this mean that Jehobuh invented the first weapon of war? ???
Swords are used in the scriptures to represent the defense of the gospel in respect to .God's word, as it is written. It is sometimes called double edged to indicate like a surgeons scalpel it cuts both ways to remove the dross of a new born again creature being formed by the word of God and judges the intentions of our heart,.The sword was not something that could be seen as if it was carnal in nature but is used to represent the faith that comes from hearing the word of God, as the very faith of God.
The weapons of God's warfare are not carnal.Christians walk by faith not by sight.
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Baaahaaa Foreskin'bird food'....tooo funny!
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Garee, I don't believe in your religion, but you did a good job explaining things.
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Cacky wrote:
Garee, I don't believe in your religion, but you did a good job explaining things.
Thanks for offering that.
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Garee, welcome to the site. Most of us here have woken up from the harmful effects of unquestioned religious belief.
You may personally have a clear vision of how it all should be... but I must take you to task about your assertions that circumcision is a “Tradition of God used to represent the gospel..”
If instead of making the words of the Bible sacred... which they are not, you looked at the sources of the Bible and the cultural context in which they were written; you would find a completely different world of meaning.
Over time, circumcision has been a widespread tribal signifier and very popular in the USA but no authority can pinpoint its precise origin, nevertheless there is no reason to think that it is other than a human ordinance.
Since much of religious belief of the Bible stems from Egyptian sentiment, the Egyptian practice of circumcision, like many of their hygiene measures, was a precedent for the upwardly aspiring Semites of Canaan to copy. Egyptian practice greatly pre-dates the Jewish tale of God’s covenant with Abraham. The OT writings were nation-making myths written mainly from the fifth and sixth century BCE, hence a very long time after the events portrayed.
Preaching is declaring heartening words to true believers. Conversely, proper understanding comes from sceptical questioning and examination of the evidence. It is absurd to say that circumcision is a tradition of God.
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Another point I often think of. If God's creation was perfect then he didn't have a very good track record if the first two creations did not live up to expectations. If he knew in advance that they were going to fail what kind of a sick being is he to have gone ahead with this experiment. And if he didn't know then he was not all knowing and simply throwing his human experiment at a wall to see what would stick. Of course we were taught that Jehovah created all things through Jesus. That brings up the question of God allowing an incompetent team member to continue working on a flawed creation.
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Just spotted this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614169/UK-blood-recycling-breakthrough-let-Jehovahs-Witnesses-major-surgery.html
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Thanks for that Sarah.
The real reason why the woman in the article survived so well ... is not her refusal of a blood transfusion ... but the clever man who created the machine. A worldly man. Not a spiritual jdub. A worldly man. Picky I know ... but keeping away from all things worldly surely means ALL things worldly! I've been out too long I think!
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This event should remind everyone to take a pause and remember all the JW guinea pigs who have lost their lives so that this kind of technology is possible for the rest of the population.
She is just another guinea pig.
This one lived. Many didn't.
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Exactly! Well said Dianne!
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Yes, Andria.
At least this woman won't have her name added to this list:
http://watchtower-blood.org/victims/index.shtml
I wonder how long that list would actually be if all the deaths of the Watchtower victims/guinea pigs were added to the list.
Hundreds...thousands...
All to promote the lucrative bloodless industry.
Refusal of blood transfusions based on religious beliefs?
Huh. Bullshit.
Deliberate propaganda to create a willing volunteer experimental group to try out medical practices that wouldn't be allowed otherwise.
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Is this like the cell saver they have in the US? My husband had one used when he had his bladder removed because of bladder cancer. He lost half his blood volume, but didn't require a transfusion. The funny thing about the cell saver, that he agreed to, was that it didn't keep up a continuous circulation of blood, it collected it, they "cleaned" it, and returned it to his body. When I was talking to the elders about it, I was thinking to myself how that alone was against the "rules," only later to learn that they do now allow for it to be separated from the body for a "short" while, and then put back in. Made me wonder why, if they can allow that, they can't donate their own blood for future surgeries, which would be the same thing, really.
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When I was talking to the elders about it, I was thinking to myself how that alone was against the "rules," only later to learn that they do now allow for it to be separated from the body for a "short" while, and then put back in. Made me wonder why, if they can allow that, they can't donate their own blood for future surgeries, which would be the same thing, really.
It is actually quite simple.
The rules change as the technology changes - each technological advance needs another control group to test it out.
The 'doctrine' serves to dictate the parameters of that control group.
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Deliberate propaganda to create a willing volunteer experimental group to try out medical practices that wouldn't be allowed otherwise.
Jesus. This is haunting.
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Jesus. This is haunting.
Yes.
So is this:
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Wow! I never thought of it from that perspective. Indeed a volunteer test group!
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Is this like the cell saver they have in the US?
I believe it is similar. Someone has taken the technology and added another bell and a couple more whistles or something like that...and presto! another guinea pig pops out of the hat.
Wow! I never thought of it from that perspective. Indeed a volunteer test group!
Well, Figurin'...if you hadn't thought of that before, maybe you would like to churn the grey cells a bit more.
Try thinking on this for a while:
The beginning of the JW blood ban coincided with the end of the Second World War. You know...that war. The one that was notorious for human medical experiments and all that stuff. The war that produced the Nuremberg Code in its wake.
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The list would take forever to read if all the names were whacked on that list Dianne! It's so very sad to read the various ages of the people listed too ... and all based on what some idiots interpreted from a book written by a whole bunch of men from so long ago.
It doesn't surprise me that the blood ban coincided with the end of World War II. The WBTS is notorious for wanting to stand out and have test trials in court for all kinds of things. Having test trials for medical reasons isn't really a stretch of the imagination .... although WBTS supporters would say that we're trying to persecute them with our apostate lies!
My parents approached their local hospital committee who in turned approached the state (Western Australia) hospital committee ... asking what type of treatment my mother could have for her cancer. When my father told me that ... my incredulous reply was unprintable! Asking for permission? My parents are in their mid to late 70's!
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