Reply by Michael Penn on March 7, 2014 at 1:43pm
Oh, yes! They are being persecuted, and they believe that because the Buybull said it and Jeezus said it. In fact, when you turn away the JW's at the door, they too take this as the "persecution" the scriptures claim the "righteous" will suffer. You have to watch these "end times" because the persecution will become so great that Jebus will have to come and save them and "rapture them" away. To be "good christiasns" they have to want to be persecuted so they can be raptured away, etc.
Are they really persecuted? Maybe in thier minds or in a 3rd world country.
Reply by James M. Martin on March 7, 2014 at 4:43pm
I've always responded to their claim of persecution by saying I will be happy to give them what they really want, if only they pay for the hammer, cross timbers, and nine-inch nails.
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Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on March 7, 2014 at 5:12pm
James, yer such a SWELL guy! [wry chuckle!]
Reply by sk8eycat on March 8, 2014 at 11:27am
This country is in big trouble, period. Even moderates seem to be so frightened of the hard core CRASStians, that they just sit on their hands and do nothing. Or give in to their unreasonable demands.
The un-funny thing is that these CRASStians don't seem to understand their own buybull...or they are reading one of the newer versions that has more interpolations and errors in translation than the KJV.
And I will keep on calling them "CRASStians" (or CRAZEtians") until they sit down and STFU. ie: forever.
My sister has been a JeeHoover's Witless for more than 45 years, and she knows more about the actual buybull (but won't admit that most of it is fiction) than the loud-mouthed Dominionists and other fundaMENTALists who are trying to take over not only the entertainment industry, but lawmaking, medicine, and everything else...including fast food joints.
Sometimes I wish the "rapture" fantasy would come true, then we'd be rid of the yokels.
Reply by James M. Martin on March 8, 2014 at 1:17pm
sk8eycat, recent studies prove beyond question that most atheists know the Buy Bull better than the average Christer. The old saying, "Familiarity breeds contempt" is at play, since the more one knows about religulous texts the more one becomes aware how illogical, inconsistent, contradictory, &c. they are. When a Witness or Mormon comes to my door I ask them, "Did God destroy Sodom because of homosexuality?" They nod and say yes, yes, yes. Then I ask, "Did God turn Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking back on Sodom?" Same reaction. Then I ask, "Did God help Lot relocate somewhere else and then direct Lot's daughters to have sex with their father?" They look at each other blankly, then beg off and leave my doorsteps.
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Permalink Reply by sk8eycat on March 8, 2014 at 5:44pm
I can't do that; I have to live with my JW sister, but she knows what I think about the buybull, and we just don't discuss religion. Much.
I think it's funny that she considers the El-Ronners a cult, but not her own strange beliefs. (I also think she has Asperger's; she has been strange and awkward since infancy, and she shows all the traits, but there's no way I can get her to see a neuro-psych specialist for a diagnosis. And it's much too late, anyway.)
Reply by James M. Martin on May 21, 2014 at 5:44pm
Slightly off topic, but I wonder why all of the Booblical epics never tell the contradictory or "unsavory" parts of the stories they depict. I have many times referred to the bizarre fact that Christians rely on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to illustrated Gawd's displeasure with homosexuality but fail to depict Lot being seduced with Gawd's approval by his own daughters. (The irony illustrates quite dramatically the presentist nature of trying to apply five or six thousand year old morality to the 21st century: Lot was a patriarch and had no sons; with his wife turned into salt, he needed to inseminate his daughters to produce a male heir, so obviously Gawd approves of incest.) Another discrepancy involves the story of the youth of David, who is depicted in the Booble as bisexual. Why do such movies as "David and Bathsheba" (1951, with Gregory Peck as the giant slayer) concentrate only on his romantic entanglements with women without depicting his Booblical "knowledge" of Jonathan? There are a lot of other examples, but since these deal with a taboo subject -- same sex love -- they've been completely ignored.
Reply by Patrick Moore on August 11, 2011 at 10:11am
yeah...nothing like good ol' confirmation bias-but if you try to explain this to them they just give you a glassy-eyed look and don't hear a word you say. I'm not so sure I really believe that we should be a nation where religion is considered a freedom-it's more of a mental disorder in the most classic of senses, and should be treated as one-just like homosexuality was treated by the American Psychiatric Ass'n until 1975. Religion can easily be defined as "the inability to judge one's own thoughts or actions on a rational basis."
Reply by Mequa 5 hours ago
JWs forbid dating outside their faith. Ergo, she is not even being a good JW, not to mention being deceitful and manipulative.
A related, funny story. I once heard a LaVeyan Satanist from the States had a girl who was some kind of Christian pull the same thing on him. She actually told him post-coital that she would only stay with him if he converted to Christianity. He literally grabbed his gun and ordered her to GTFO.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 3 hours ago
In early high school I had a Pentecostal girlfriend who would babysit. I would ride my bike to where she was babysitting and we would hid in closets and kiss a lot. She told me "we were going to get in trouble" but I didn't know what she meant really. The last I heard of her she got pregnant and ended up married to a Catholic guy.
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Permalink Reply by John Aultman 1 hour ago
No but it doesn't surprise me.
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http://www.atheistnexus.org/forum
AtheistNexus.org comments on religiously-based persecution complex and sexuality that I think are interesting.
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