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Hi, I just joined this site in hopes to connect with other ex Witnesses and cope with my past. I was raised a JW, along with my 3 older siblings. My dad was an elder and very clearly had expectations of his children following in his "zealous" footsteps. It wasn't until after I was disfellowshipped and left home at 18 that I began to realize the abuse I had endured in his house and that cult, all in the name of Jehovah.
5 years later I am happily married with the most beautiful free spirited daughter. I have a job I that I love doing my passion - painting. Life is heading in the right direction now more than ever for me. Despite all this, my parents still want nothing to do with me. A few months ago I called my mother after 2 years of no contact, just to ask her if she loved me. I couldn't take one more day of wondering if my Witness mother could love her apostate daughter. She responded "I love what Jehovah loves and hate what Jehovah hates. Jehovah hates what you're doing with your life and hates who you've become." And there it was. Unless I got good with Jehovah she wanted nothing to do with me. And seeing as I want nothing to do with that cult and it's lies and manipulation my mom won't have a relationship with me. Or her son. Or her first born daughter.
I think my story is a normal Witness one. Elder father. Obedient mother. I learned to play the game fast. The better Witness you appear to be, the more disguised my double life would be. In hindsight, I was probably drawing more attention to myself but the plan made sense to me at the time especially watching the difference in love shown to my sister who was baptized at 12 versus my sister who was baptized at 18. From the age of 13 on my life was filled with back room meetings, describing my sexual thoughts, desires, and actions to groups of elders in both formal and informal committees. Shortly before my 18th birthday I had my second and last judicial committee that lasted in until almost 1AM. The moment the told me I was being disfellowshipped I felt a huge weight lift off my chest. I was finally free! That night I went home and told my parents and they hugged me, a real hug which was sort of rare in my house. We were hugging each other good bye. The next few weeks have been blocked out of my memory because they are too painful to recall.
I very lucky to have made it out so young and generally well adjusted. But every day is still a struggle, unraveling the mind fuck of brainwashing that was done, coping with the loss of my parents, dealing with body issues and eating disorders caused by my father's warped sense of values and morals. I have an incredible support system, but I could use a support system from people who first hand know what being a Witness really means as well.
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Welcome AP! This forum is an excellent support group. It's been a little slow lately, but I think that's because people get busy during the summer with vacations. I'm sure you'll have more welcoming you here soon!
In regards to your story, it is heatbreaking. ;( Your mom's response is so brainwashed and sad. Also, having to share sexual details with elders, a meeting until 1 a.m. etc. is ridiculous! Many here have had similar experiences. I am not DFd, but I'm shunned by many for choosing not to be part of it, and my relationship with my family is very strained.
I. look forward to getting to know you better here. ((Hugs))
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Hello there AP and welcome :-)
Although the details of your story are unfortunately familar to all of us here........each one of us is individual, and each one of us deals with the ongoing isolation and pain in our own way!! There is nothing natural about shunning your children, even more so when its purportedly done on behalf of a 'loving' god and religion smiley: sick
I am so sorry for all the hurt you have had to endure simply for trying to be who you are..........those who should love you unconditionally withdraw their love because a group of power-crazy men with delusions of greatness have told them to do so!!
When we all look back we can see that their love has always been conditional.............conditional upon going to the meetings, getting baptised, never questioning, making them look 'in good standing' in the organisation.......and as children we tried our best, cos every child just wants to be loved ......
But there comes a time when we do question, when we do want to be an individual..............but whereas in a normal family that would be celebrated, in our lives it becomes a source of contention........get back in line or lose everything that has made up your life so far.....many have even tried to carry on living a lie, just in order to keep the love of family, but that is no way to live, and affects the mental and emotional health of those who try.......
So I congratulate you on being brave enough to take back control of your life, even though you knew the fall-out it would cause............and even though the pain of losing loved ones never goes away, every time you look at your daughter you must remember to be proud of yourself for breaking the cycle of abuse..........for giving your own child that which we all deserved, unconditional love and the freedom to be who she is........and feel pity that your jw family have given up so much that is precious and irreplaceable.......for a bunch of man-made lies............
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Thank you both so much. It's good to know I'm not alone in my experience. My daughter has been the biggest source of recovery (and joy, laughter, and every other positive emotion). Without her and my husband Harry this would be so much harder. It took me years to believe in unconditional love again. I was convinced it was only a matter of time before everyone in my life shut me out, again. It's wonderful to be able to fully appreciate the love I receive daily.
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Hi AP,
Yeah, I've been away from the site for a long time myself. I've been out for almost 19 years now and
once you get caught up with the day to day grind you tend to forget about the JW stuff.
But it is nice to reconnect with others who have been there, done that and know what you're talking about.
I can relate to your feelings of relief when you were disfellowshipped. I was DF'd at age 18 also,
and even though I didn't want it to happen, it was a relief. The pressure of trying to stay in was finally over.
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Hello and welcome to our friendly abode. Your story is a sad one, but I'm glad for you that you have found yourself and now have the freedom to be who you are. I'm sorry for the situation with your parents. It's so sad what that religion does to families. It's just not right.
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One thing I have found amazing is how, you can pick up any story, fairytale, movie, novel, and they almost always have some life lesson, something to really gain from it It's been bothering me that some of the bible stories have nothing! What can you learn from lot? I mean really let's zoom out of just the salt pillar story The only family in the whole town that loves Jehovah is visited by two angles and told to flee the town While they're there the town demands they send there guests out because they want to have sex with them, So lot offers his daughters instead.... Then once they flee the mother turns back and turns into salt then the daughters decide they want babies so they get the father really drunk and sleep with him So the moral of the story is? And don't even get me started on Noah
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I always hated the story of Lot. What kind of father offers to let a raging mob rape his daughters? And that's held out as being righteous! Makes me sick.
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Did you know there's another story almost just like it but even worse? I'll have to find it for you it's just terrible
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Are you thinking of the one where a man's concubine leaves him and goes back to her father? He follows her and stays the night with the family. Same thing. A mob comes threatening to rape the guest so the father throws his daughter out to them instead. The mob abuses her so badly she dies from her injuries. The man takes her body and cuts it up into twelve pieces, demanding vengeance. It starts a war and nearly wipes out an entire tribe. I've forgotten what Bible book that's in. Horrible, horrible disgusting story. No wonder most churches don't tell it.
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Haha yes exactly! Although I thought the concubine was raped all might and died on the front step but yes same concept so crazy! No you cAnt sex me, here take my woman Instead
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I no longer find the bible as a whole, and the old testament specifically, to be of any use in my life. They were established as a history of the beliefs and culture of the people who inhabit the Middle East even today, and the scriptures reflect the same standards of behavior and punishment to women as ruled by the muslim religion. I fail to understand what makes the bible worth being called "holy" any more than the Koran, the Book of Mormon, the Talmud, or any other writings considered holy by the people who use them to dictate their lives. studying
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I'm with you, Cangie. There are some good things in the Bible, but they got lost under all the nasty or ignorant bits. Did you know Thomas Jefferson edited the Gospals? He admired the teachings of Jesus but edited out the miracles and supernatural stuff. Jefferson had no use for organized religion and cosidered himself a deist: maybe there is a creator, but if there is he put mankind on earth and left us to find our own way. Either way, it does no good to practice any sort of organized religion, since God doesn't care anyway.
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Honestly , since I have let my mind be open to learning I'm not sure I even believe there's a god. But if there is.... It goes back to the same question everyone asks... Why? Why does he allow the world to be how it is? And don't give me that Adam and Eve poopy..... Why does it continue? How can a being with a brain allow this? And if here exists and allows it anyway, then I want nothing to do with him
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I totally agree. Once you take a step back and really look at the bible's stories, they seem like archaic myths. Justifying violence and abuse hardly makes you feel like there is a balanced god with a "plan" for mankind. It just amazes me anyone takes it seriously any more.
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It's no justification but women were expected to die during childbirth or from infections afterwards.
Women also died from bad menstrual hygiene. So men were often having several wives over their lives to have large families. Often more than one wife was just an insurance policy I'd imagine.
It's why I think women are looked down upon in many old religions. Life expectancy was short and many died. Women are more of a tradable commodity instead. The agricultural work was very heavy and women are not strong enough to do it.
So they're relegated to a low position in society. They can't work as hard as men in the field, they died early on average and that was the norm for centuries.
I think that's why there's such a low value placed on women from bronze age religions.
But then a God should see past the circumstance and provide laws to show respect. It's not there in the bible, so it's not divine.
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A book written by men for men isn't going to hold women high up on a pedestal .... however in saying that, the bible is fictional to me!
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I hated that story of Dinah...because the guy was the one who started making eyes at her first but because she reciprocated the attention at the end of the day it was all her fault because she was a dirty whore. Really? Why are women always getting the short end of the stick? And it took me forever to realize just how messed up this story was because it used to be my favorite.
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Nevermind - Can you please explain to me how women died from "bad menstrual hygiene"? I don't think I have ever heard of that before.
Please enlighten me.
Thank you. *eh...never mind, nevermind. I looked it up. You are right. Men have always taken advantage of womens' physical vulnerability. Menstration and childbirth has always been the bane of women. Good thing women are stronger in other areas other than physical or the human species would be extinct.
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One of the sickest stories in the bible is when the most holy beloved king david has the hots for a woman who is married to one of his soldiers, so when her husband is off fighting, most holy king david knocks up the soldiers wife, then in order to cover his ass he has the soldier killed. Then Jehovah kills the baby to punish king david.
But the whole adam and eve and tree of life story takes the cake from the get go, IMO.
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I think the story that I hated most in the bible besides the concubine one,is the story of Job. I mean what the hell god, you're going to physically and psychologically torture somebody that you consider a friend just so that you can win a bet against the devil and gloat????? Poor Job, it's like he has stockholm syndrome throughout the whole story.
Now that I write it down it kinda makes god seem like he's Ramsay Bolton.......and I guess Job would be Theon.
Still messed up.
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Kefka, I love it! A new evil character to compare the Bible god with, Ramsay Bolton! That Game of Thrones character is one Bad ass psychopath! I think he might out-horrible Hitler to which I've been known to compare Jehovah with.
And Theon....nobody deserves what he got. Job didn't deserve what he got either.
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@whytebyrd I've heard of people comparing god to hitler, but I always thought he was kinda like a psychotic Santa clause for adults you know
like' he sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good OR HE'LL KILL YOU.'
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LOL, kefka. Sounds like a creepy stalker peeping in windows at night.
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Is it me or are they now brainwashing 5 and 6 year olds to get baptized, and it's pretty disgusting how they are depicting worldly children.
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No, its not just you. I was so disgusted I couldn't watch it to the end. Are they so desperate for recruits that they have to push early baptism for little kids? Rope 'em in and trap 'em so they have a harder time walking away when they wise up later. And to me it looked as if the worldly kids were shown as thoughtless, mean little creeps.
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Check 1 Corinthians ch 6 v9 in the normaL NWT and it goes on about men who lie with men ect now in the New revised version(which are due to be deliverd to congregations soon and is also available on pdf download via JW leikes) it directley says "Homosexuals"now i can be outspoken on stuff but to re word the bible is another thing..but hey who am i to question!!!! THING IS I DO QUESTION AND THATS MY NATURE AND ALL WAYS WILL BE,AND NO MAN WILL CHANGE MY THINKING TO QUESTION THINGS AND THEN TELL ME I CAN NOT,THATS WHATS CALLED OBEIDIANT IGNORANCE AND I AM NOT THAT...xxxx..Seth xxxxx
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My mother is so excited over this new bible. They got a copy on Sunday during their special talk. Uggh...
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So did they just paraphrase as in your example?
Or are there any changes with real doctrinal significance?
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I've done a bit of a sweep of the "revised" NWT over the past few days (I say "revised" because, for the most part, it is as much of a revision as the 1985 revision was of the original 1950 version). Frankly I was expecting a lot more.
The text generally reads the same in most places. There is no change to the clunky English and there is no attempt to capture the Hebrew rhythm in poetry. Except for the list of changes and additions announced at the Annual Meeting (i.e., "ass" is now "donkey," a few more additional uses of "Jehovah," etc.) there is little less to add here. Unlike what one of the speakers promised in saying this would be 'an entirely new translation,' it is, for the most part, a rather boring and unsurprising update.
The updating made to the vocabulary seems to be lifted from the choices made in the New Revised Standard Version, released in 1989. Except for the minor change to words regarding Jesus' being "impaled" (which are unique to the NWT historically and etymologically incorrect rendition for language about the crucifixion), all the other "modern" word choices seem to be shamelessly copied from the NRSV and its list of changes it made to the RSV vocabulary over 20 years ago. All the new language is what is found in all the major versions in one way or another, so the NWT offers a stale update of a presentation.
It is also very inconsistent in its update, never uniform. For example, while claims are made that the update is meant to be modern and conscious of renditions sensitive to inclusive gender, the first place this should occur, Genesis 1:26, still reads as it did before. "Let us make man in our image" is still offered unlike the modern "Let us make human beings in our image" as found in the NRSV, the New Jerusalem Bible, and the 2011 revision to the official US Catholic translation, the NABRE. This may be the one place where there is little to debate that the word "man" refers to humanity, yet the GB misses the mark, right out of the gate too! It is a "pick-and-choose" of NRSV vocabulary lifts that the NWT presents after this point.
As I stated it is, for the most part, a rather boring update. But there are three changes which don't make sense unless the Governing Body is about to spring a couple of new teachings on the unsuspecting JW population.
The first is the change from Sheol and Hades to "grave." Instead of strengthening the current view of JW eschatology it weakens it. Outside of the NRSV, this is the current usage and understanding of these words in Christian churches and among Jews. The NABRE, for example, uses "netherworld" for Hades almost always throughout the New Testament. Readers of the NRSV (which uses Sheol in the OT and Hades in NT) already understand that this means the common grave.
The second is the change of "soul" to read as it does in context, almost identically with the way it is rendered in the NRSV. In Genesis 2:7 the updated NWT reads like the NRSV, NJB, and the NABRE: "The man became a living person." The rest of the usages of soul through Scripture are similar to the major Christian churches and Judaism (the modern JPS Tanakh version reads likewise).
The last is John 17:3. Several Watchtower publications and many discourses and studies throughout the years have been based on the older NWT reading: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God." For decades the leaders of the JWs have ridiculed Christians for translating this verse the way the updated NWT now reads: "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you..." Since the religion of the JWs is a scholastic exercise void of spirituality that has been based on the older NWT reading, it is now interesting to see how the GB's choice to render this like Christendom's religions do will change things.
Except for the overuse of the Divine Name, the updated NWT is basically a poor reflection of modern translations and an inconsistent attempt at modern language usage. The translation is still stale and very hard to read. Compare it with the "literal as possible, free as necessary" NRSV and see how it is supposed to be done. In fact, JWs will be embarrassed should they compare their "new" Bible with either it or the other revised translations and see how smooth and easy-to-understand they are by comparison (the new NIV is another example).
The one thing this "revision" has got me wondering is: We will see the Governing Body do a major change over to more traditional Christianity like the Worldwide Church of God did? Their Bible is practically the same to those previously "incorrect" versions. If their Bibles are now almost the same in rendition, does this signal that they are about to make their doctrine just as similar? The GB did recently tell the JWs to follow their instruction even if it flies in the face of human reasoning, as they know it.
Hmmm, we shall see.
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So glad you posted this! I had no idea there was a new JW bible out. It's funny how the society gets followers so excited about such small things. Anything to keep them blinded.
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I pointed to the musical direction "ritard" and the two of us could barely finish the song for laughing.
My favorite had to be the laughing fit some of my friends got into with the song with the lines "bees that were molested" and how you could "not beat them off". Just high comedy.
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Comrades...comrades...I think you are sensationalizing all of this! No get back to the door to door work or ELSE!
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My mind is blown!! So that's what I was being forced to sing? :O
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AP, I've been around this site for about 6 months or so. I hadn't seen this thread from early 2013. Thanks for resurrecting it. So funny. I remember thinking what the hell?? about the bees being molested. What is that supposed to mean?
Ugh, now I have "We're Jehovah's witnesses" stuck in my head.
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Does anyone remember that dirge about Lazarus laying in a cold stone grave? I know it was in the purple book, not sure if it was in the brown book. It was rarely sang at the hall, but I remember it being sang at some witness gathering. My brother and I couldn't help but snicker at it. Who wants to sing about that?
I was also remembering how halls used to have pianos and organs. We had two sisters who were really good and loved to play. Then the society nixed that and all halls had to play recordings instead. Why did they do that? More control I suppose. :(. While kingdom melodies are lame, I did definitely miss the live music, which was way better than the recordings.
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Sup guys, been a long time since I posted here xP
So I was chatting on the exJW facebook, and I stumbled across something interesting. Namely, this.
Now, instantaneously, something struck me when I heard this song. "I've never heard the soviet anthem before, but goddamn I know I've heard that song somewhere before.". If you listen to more than 10 seconds of it, something probably clicked in your head too. "Hey, doesn't that sound like a kingdom melody from when I was a JW? And not only that, but one of the few good ones!"
Yes, 'friends', this does indeed sound identical to a kingdom melody. But which one? Can't quite put your finger on it?
Yes, the USSR National Anthem and song 141, Jehovah's Holy Nation are one and the same. But this probably can't be right, after all, the JW's are definitely against nationalism, so ripping off a country's NATIONAL GODDAMN ANTHEM can't be something they did.
Sure seems like it to me though. '3'
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Hey Korn How the hell have you been!!
I haven't been on the forum much either lately so how weird to pop in and find you! What has happened in your life lately? You doing well?
And what the heck were you doing listening to Soviet anthems?
But you're right. They are identical! This is what happens when musically uneducated people decide to write a songbook. They have no alternative but to rip off others.
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I'm in college now, as Mystla would have possibly mentioned once or twice. I'm taking a music appreciation class and they happened to assign national anthems as a lesson, so I stumbled across the nature that led to this thread and the rest is history!
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Good for you! Have you found a major or just exploring? Enjoy yourself!
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Wow, they're really, REALLY close. Practically identical.
I used to play the KMs but I didn't know the national anthem of the USSR well enough for it to ring a bell.
I was going to say it could be coincidence but the 2nd and 3rd videos together really reveal how similar they are.
There's just some slight rhythmic modifications.
So Jehovah's Holy nation is the USSR!
I guess that explains why we're waiting in vain for Armageddon.
That is explosive new light right there...lol
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Korny! Good to hear from you, been a long time.
So I wonder if the "brother" who wrote that Kingdom Melody was really a *gasp* COMMIE!!!
Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnn...
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Also, let me say THANKS A FREAKIN LOT for getting Kingdom Melodies stuck in my head!
Crazy
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I'm actually fairly certain that one song that we played at funerals, whatever it was called, was ripped off another song as well, but damn I can't remember the title of it for my life :V
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OK this is the last thing...smiley: roll
I love this post because this similarity, while not as good as yours, has been driving me crazy for years. �A KM that sounds a little like the Looney Tunes them song:
And the Kingdom Melody "Meeting In Unity":
What do you think???
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Cool find.
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I SO knew that melody reminded me of something! And I echo Rob - for some reason I now have "Make the Truth Your Own" running through my mind! Vomiting
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When I used to sing that song, I'd say "Th th th that's all folks!".
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Yeah, that's what I thought of. Merry Melodies. Porky Pig bursting through the screen saying "Th th th that's all folks!"
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My Mom always said that one (I can't remember which) reminded her of an old song called "The old grey mare". I've never heard of the old song myself but it is funny that Dubbies can find similarities between songs too. Which reminds me. Years ago I found a very old song book that the Dubbies used that only had words to the songs and at the top of each was a note to say the song was to be sung to the tune of i.e. The old rugged cross, etc. So they have been using other songs since forever. Instead of being a new religion it is a refurbished old one.
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"When 'Omer Smote 'Is Bloomin' Lyre"
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When 'Omer smote 'is bloomin' lyre,
He'd 'eard men sing by land an' sea;
An' what he thought 'e might require,
'E went an' took -- the same as me!
The market-girls an' fishermen,
The shepherds an' the sailors, too,
They 'eard old songs turn up again,
But kep' it quiet -- same as you!
They knew 'e stole; 'e knew they knowed.
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Amazing Grace, Auld Lang Syne, and The Star Spangled Banner all don't have original tunes but aren't "bullcrap".
The Hymn of the Soviet Union is such a great tune, the Russians recycled it for post-Soviet use with new lyrics.
The tune of "Praise Jehovah's Firstborn" is pretty good. Anyone know the original? Some old Protestant hymn perhaps?
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The Kingdom melodies have used existing melodies in the past. I read, in a JW yearbook, that there was some controversy about a particular melody being a Nazi tune. The explanation was that it was a melody by Haydn which the Nazis also used. But with the GB's self-righteous claim to be "no part of the world" I wouldn't expect them to "repurpose" a nationalistic song (like the USSR's anthem) regardless of how impressive the strain is. Is this melody present in the new song book that cut a bunch of songs? I recall that it was rarely used at meetings. How awkward would it be for Ukranian witnesses (for example) to have this blaring out of an assembly hall! With lyrics about "God's New Nation" to boot! I think I'm understanding why the JWs are so hated in Eastern Europe! (half joking...smiley: grin)
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I remember the old green song book from my childhood and I actually got into little argument with a classmate from my orchestra group over one of the lesson book songs. It went like this:
Her:That song is from MY church!
ME: No, it's from my kingdom
hall!! (except I think I said church even though I knew I wasn't supposed to.)
Anyway, the song was pulled when the purplish colored songbook came out. I loved the color of that songbook and was a little put out when the brown one was released BUT there were a couple of the old green book songs put back in with different words. And now they have yet another songbook *rolls eyes*
Church music with the 4 part harmony thing and certain chordal progressions goes back to Bach who wrote everything for the church. To me so much of the old songs from both the JW's and other churches sound similar and predictable.
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Hi Tony,
Glad to hear you are doing well!
I remember very clearly, from when I left the Borg in the early 80's, and I ended up at a Christmas celebration somehow. ( talk about a surreal experience that was, to a homeless 4th generation jw kid.) One of the christmas carols that I heard that night was definitely a "Kingdumb Melody". It was in the last third of the songbook, and seldom used, but it was a total rip-off of an eastern european Christmas song. I wish I could remember which one it was.... and they changed the song book now anyway.
The old songbook had a few ripoffs in there. If you are musically talented, there is definitely material in there for you to research. Get one and have a listen.
I must admit that I found their Der Stern magazine art rip off much more interesting ... then and now. :-)
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Hello KingKorn. Nice to see you around again. Good for you to be attending college. Do you still live with your parents or are you on your own now? Glad it seems things are going well for you. I'm fallgirl now but my old name on here was Cacky.
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I'm way too lazy to go hunting for examples but a fair few of the songs have VERY familiar tunes ;D
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I love that Porky Pig reference!!! LOL!!!
I remember hearing something about unoriginal music being a reason why the brown song book replaced the pink song book.
The funny thing I remember about the pink song book was one time we were singing during the meeting and my Mom made a mistake in the lyrics. I pointed to the musical direction "ritard" and the two of us could barely finish the song for laughing.
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