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Make a Statement: Quit--Kim Woods Jailed
Posted by Donald R Barbera on September 3, 2015 at 10:34pm in Introductions
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I was doing something important, when I got one of those news posts that made me stop my important task (finishing off my bottle of wine.) and take no
tice. Those Right Wing idiots are now crying about the “Criminalization of Christianity” after a federal judge jailed Kentucky clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
If Kim can’t do the job she was hired to do, then she should quit. Only politicians give a shit about Kim and once they figure out that Kim’s jailing won’t make a difference, they’ll find another windmill to joust. Two pharmacists also refused to issue birth control and the morning after pill because of their religious beliefs. This is still a democracy and people are allowed their opinion despite differences in belief and behavior.
Employees serve at the behest of their employer, not the other way around. Those who feel that strongly about a particular issue should step down or quit their job. Perhaps, employers and politicians might do well to understand the groups they belittle have 9 million votes to not vote for them. Christianity is not the issue, it is the use of religion to block another’s rights, As a side bar, it should be noted that Ms. Wood has been married four times. Oops! “If you can’t stand the heat—get out of the kitchen.”
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 Permalink Reply by Dyslexic's DOG on Friday

Maybe she could lose some weight in jail.
Might be the best thing for her health! 
A chin or two less won't hurt her!
Just demonstrating my bigotry against obesity!
LOL!

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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on Friday

You've pretty well said it all here, Donald.  Kim and others like her want to think that their beliefs supersede the requirements of their job.  Thing is, an essential part of most government job descriptions can be summed up in two words: SERVE PEOPLE, regardless of who they are, because that is the essence of the raison d'etre of government.  In 30 years of field service, I've been forced to deal with the occasional asshole, but then no one said that all my customers would be sweetness and light.  Had I told my boss that I didn't want to service a certain account because my contact there offended me, I would have been out on my ass before you could blink.  The situation with Ms. Wood should be handled no differently.
If she can't do her job, if she can't serve the people of Rowan County, Kentucky, then she needs to yield her position to someone who can and will.
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 Permalink Reply by k.h. ky on Friday
I totally agree with you Loren!
 Fire her.
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on Friday

BTW, I think the clerk's last name is "Davis" and not "Wood" as stated in the post title.
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 Permalink Reply by Grinning Cat on Friday

I don't know whether or how she changed her name for her four marriages to three men. (I think #2 and #4 are the same guy.)
Perhaps "True Christians"[tm] should condemn her for hypocritical bible-thumping while she "commits adultery" by divorce and remarriage... but that's actually irrelevant here. Someone observed that Davis expecting a "reasonable accomodation" in order to refuse to do a central part of her job is just as reasonable as an Amish person expecting to keep their job as a bus driver.
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on Friday

Esquire columnist Charles Pierce has predicted that she'll be speaking at the Republican National Convention next year and receiving a six-figure book offer.
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 Permalink Reply by Pat on Friday

Bertold, Pierce is probably right. The book will be a best seller the Ken Ham Creation Museum.
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on Friday

I put this up on my own post about this, but what the heck: it deserves to be spread around!


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 Permalink Reply by k.h. ky on Friday
Perfect! It well deserves reposting.
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 Permalink Reply by Freethinker31 on Friday

Kim Davis is  testing our Separation of Church and State laws..As a government employee she is required  to uphold the laws of her state and Nation.......She said God prevents her from giving out marriage licenses, where as our Supreme Court demands  that she do just that.......Religion is not a higher authority than our civil laws......No government employee should disobey our laws and still be employed......
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn on Friday

Yes, the religious think that poor Kim has been discriminated against. She isn't allowed to act on her religious thoughts and therefore Christianity has been criminalized. Kim Davis herself said it is all about god's law and heaven and hell.
We find that it's neither and none of the above. Davis is an elected civil servant who isn't marrying anybody, but she also is not doing her job. That is the issue! God has nothing to do with this. If you want to deal with "god's law and heaven and hell" take your issue to church. You have no given right of protest by expressing your opinion. She is in violation of the law by not doing her job.
The solution is really pretty simple for Kim. RESIGN. God doesn't care and nobody is going to make an exception to the law for Kim Davis.
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 Permalink Reply by Freethinker31 on Friday

She refuses  to resign, and I understand it is difficult to fire her since she is elected by the people......However, resigning is the proper thing for her to do.....
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Make a Statement: Quit--Kim Woods Jailed
Posted by Donald R Barbera on September 3, 2015 at 10:34pm in Introductions
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I was doing something important, when I got one of those news posts that made me stop my important task (finishing off my bottle of wine.) and take no
tice. Those Right Wing idiots are now crying about the “Criminalization of Christianity” after a federal judge jailed Kentucky clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
If Kim can’t do the job she was hired to do, then she should quit. Only politicians give a shit about Kim and once they figure out that Kim’s jailing won’t make a difference, they’ll find another windmill to joust. Two pharmacists also refused to issue birth control and the morning after pill because of their religious beliefs. This is still a democracy and people are allowed their opinion despite differences in belief and behavior.
Employees serve at the behest of their employer, not the other way around. Those who feel that strongly about a particular issue should step down or quit their job. Perhaps, employers and politicians might do well to understand the groups they belittle have 9 million votes to not vote for them. Christianity is not the issue, it is the use of religion to block another’s rights, As a side bar, it should be noted that Ms. Wood has been married four times. Oops! “If you can’t stand the heat—get out of the kitchen.”
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on Saturday

A recall election may be in order here.
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera on Sunday

Although Right Wing Evangelicals of politicians may kick this football a long way, they might find it will come back to bite them in the ass. I would be very care of pissing off any community while playing to another. She works at the behest of the state, the very same one that offers freedom of religion and freedom from religion. In the end, she broke the law. It's that simple. She should be removed.
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera on Sunday

Dyslexic's DOG,, I didn't want to go there, but you said what I was thinking. However, I think others considering marriage might consider marital expertise. They say the fourth time around is the charm. Or is that the fifth time. Maybe it's the third time. I was never good with numbers.
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera on Sunday

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" [Matthew 22:21] Perhaps, Mrs Davis is unfamiliar with this quotation from the Bible and when and how it was used.It is a direct reference to secularity and it's relationship with Christianity. Although the verse has been applied a number of non Christian applications, it still means much the same. Religion? A red herring foor political gain.
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera on Sunday

A recall! I like that.
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W on Sunday

Here's an entertaining take on the incarceration of Kim Davis.


 Kinda catchy!
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 Permalink Reply by Freethinker31 on Sunday

Thank you Daniel, for sharing this hilarious  video with us....The words  could not have been better to explain this situation......If she can't do her job, then she does not deserve  the 80 thou.  and a recall does sound like a plan....
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on Sunday

This is Kentucky, folks. There's a pretty good chance she would survive a recall, just like sleazoid Scott Walker did in Wisconsin.
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on Sunday

I'd love to be making 80 large a year to spend my time with my thumb up my tailbone, doing shit which takes about as much brainpower as it takes to sneeze (if that much).  Freaking spoiled brat thinks she can pull this kind of crap because she's in Kentucky and the Born Again-ers will have her back, eh?  WRONGO!
So yeah, Kimmy - shut up and do your motherfucking job!
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W on Sunday

What about pharmacists who won't dispense birth control pills due to religion?
What about pharmacies that won't provide "medications" for execution?
How about doctors who will not provide prescriptions for lethal medications, for physician assisted suicide  in states where that is legal?
These questions are not meant to be challenges.  I'm wondering where we draw the lines on issue of conscience.  I certainly don't expect Burgerville to hire a vegan who won't touch meat, or expect a pork sausage factory to hire an orthodox Jew who won't touch pork.

What I do feel sure about, is this person is a government employee, who refuses to do her government assigned duties, and also refuses to quit her job.  And she so amazingly hypocritical, all I can think is she is too stupid to know her own inconsistencies.
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Christian Science Pharmacist Refuses to Fill Any Prescription


News From TheOnion
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 Permalink Reply by k.h. ky on Sunday
A recall election during an election year in Kentucky? I'm afraid that will never happen my friends. People are already saying it will be too expensive. And the right wing is salivating with excitement over this religious, four times married, three times divorced, crazy woman, defying the courts who demand that she do her damned job. I'm sure the collection plates at her church are overflowing with support.
 I know the governor is running for re-election. What I can't recall or get signal out to learn is how many offices fall into this years cycle. Since I haven't seen any ads for local elections l believe we have those during presidential elections. I'm still trying to get signal out to be sure.
 As I always add; l may be wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.
 WOULD somebody who actually gets a reliable signal help me out please??
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Make a Statement: Quit--Kim Woods Jailed
Posted by Donald R Barbera on September 3, 2015 at 10:34pm in Introductions
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I was doing something important, when I got one of those news posts that made me stop my important task (finishing off my bottle of wine.) and take no
tice. Those Right Wing idiots are now crying about the “Criminalization of Christianity” after a federal judge jailed Kentucky clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
If Kim can’t do the job she was hired to do, then she should quit. Only politicians give a shit about Kim and once they figure out that Kim’s jailing won’t make a difference, they’ll find another windmill to joust. Two pharmacists also refused to issue birth control and the morning after pill because of their religious beliefs. This is still a democracy and people are allowed their opinion despite differences in belief and behavior.
Employees serve at the behest of their employer, not the other way around. Those who feel that strongly about a particular issue should step down or quit their job. Perhaps, employers and politicians might do well to understand the groups they belittle have 9 million votes to not vote for them. Christianity is not the issue, it is the use of religion to block another’s rights, As a side bar, it should be noted that Ms. Wood has been married four times. Oops! “If you can’t stand the heat—get out of the kitchen.”
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 Permalink Reply by k.h. ky on Sunday
Mitch McConnell's seat for senator won't be open until 2020.
 Jack Conway is the democratic candidate for governor in Nov and is running ads bragging about suing Obama previously for something. Probably the affordable care act. I can't keep up with these fools!
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera yesterday

Old Tooter's Turtle's place.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn yesterday

I posted this in another forum a minute ago and it was off topic for that one. I'll try it here.
I'm reading that a small Texas town is placing "In God We Trust" on their police cars and that Missouri will soon follow. They say this is because there have been a lot of cop killing recently. This way they are showing support and also being patriotic at the same time. I'm not buying that. Now if you say you are doing this to show support for Kim Davis it makes a lot more sense. I believe that is what they are really doing here.
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 Permalink Reply by Pat yesterday

Michael, the Sheriff's Department already did it in Jefferson County, Illinois. 1 hour drive east of St. Louis. They claim (and I don't believe it) that the bumper stickers were 'donated.' It has been protested by a local atheist group. However, I suspect no amount of logic or rationality, short of a lawsuit, will change it. Even there, since that phrase is on US currency, I doubt a lawsuit will change it either.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn yesterday

There we go again with the country "founded on Christian principals." Why don't people stop listening to their pastors and read some real books on this matter to see how we were founded. The Constitution might even be a good start.
My guess is that religion sees itself as losing so it has to make some bizarre claims to religious freedom. Unfortunately that claim is usually "Christian" and doesn't take in any others. This very fact makes it hypocritical. It also makes it unjust and unfair because the bumper stickers are so one sided. Thor, Allah, Ra, and Visnu are not on that bumper sticker.
I'm saying that believers saw this coming with the gay marriage issue and they want to give an impression that our police support "the laws of god" so that they can gear up for a fight on this thing. The brewing storm may be a long time in passing. Otherwise, the meaning of these stickers at this time is very unclear to me. Maybe someone can use better words than mine to define it.
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera 20 hours ago

The illiterati never read a book or study the source. Never. They take someone's word for it as truth. Even the highly educated read only six books a year. Anyway, a document known as the Treaty of Tripoli  signed barely 20 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence, stated unequivocally that the " . . . Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." That pretty much says it all. Now there can be a discussion of deism and its role if any, but deism is not Christianity in any sense. The separation of church and state came about because of experience with the Church or England, which caused enough agony that many left the country to go to an unknown land. 
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 Permalink Reply by Gerald Payne 19 hours ago

The separation of church and state has had a negative effect on the freedom of the civil authorities in the USA to implement its edicts. European countries that have state religions can rely on the subordination of the state church to parliamentary authority. The USA while wisely having church state separation has no such control.
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan yesterday

I love the "donation" excuse. You just know that if someone had supplied police precincts with gratis In Allah We Trust stickers, they'd be plastered all over those police cars too.
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 Permalink Reply by Jessica Chen yesterday

Quoting from an article in today's newspaper I got:
"She said that she was doing this under God's authority. She is 1,000 percent correct. She is echoing what western man has said for over 1,500 years now. And that is that divine law trumps human laws." -Matthew Trewhella

First thought that came to my mind - where is the evidence she's doing it under God's authority? Did God appear to her and told her to turn away these people? Show me the evidence!!
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan yesterday

I'd like to meet this "Western man." He sounds like a real dickhead.
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 Permalink Reply by Grinning Cat yesterday

"What do you think of Western civilization?"
"I think it would be a good idea."
(attributed to Mahatma Gandhi, but  
"not well-supported and may be apocryphal")
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan yesterday

I think it was John Platt whose characterization was the man who crossed the planet against the prevailing winds.
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Make a Statement: Quit--Kim Woods Jailed
Posted by Donald R Barbera on September 3, 2015 at 10:34pm in Introductions
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I was doing something important, when I got one of those news posts that made me stop my important task (finishing off my bottle of wine.) and take no
tice. Those Right Wing idiots are now crying about the “Criminalization of Christianity” after a federal judge jailed Kentucky clerk Kim Davis for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
If Kim can’t do the job she was hired to do, then she should quit. Only politicians give a shit about Kim and once they figure out that Kim’s jailing won’t make a difference, they’ll find another windmill to joust. Two pharmacists also refused to issue birth control and the morning after pill because of their religious beliefs. This is still a democracy and people are allowed their opinion despite differences in belief and behavior.
Employees serve at the behest of their employer, not the other way around. Those who feel that strongly about a particular issue should step down or quit their job. Perhaps, employers and politicians might do well to understand the groups they belittle have 9 million votes to not vote for them. Christianity is not the issue, it is the use of religion to block another’s rights, As a side bar, it should be noted that Ms. Wood has been married four times. Oops! “If you can’t stand the heat—get out of the kitchen.”
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W yesterday

Matthew Trewhella is a christian antiabortion activist, self described "Missionary to the Preborn".   He is associated with "The Faithful Soldier School of Evangelism".  I wouldn't trust him to be an authority on whether it's raining in his front yard, let alone the role of religious belief as something that "trumps" secular law.   "Western man" and western woman has probably been fighting that religious tyranny for over 1500 years.  With mixed success, and 1 step forward to every two steps back, and a lot of blood, torture, torment, and silent and vocal opposition.  The "Western man" might be a dickhead, but Matthew Trewhella is another part of human anatomy, around the corner and only slightly lower.
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 Permalink Reply by Grinning Cat yesterday

Hey! That's an insult to a perfectly useful and essential (if sometimes stinky) orifice!
(A fun fact that bears repeating: humans are deuterostomes: as in other vertebrates and a few other animals, the first opening in early embryonic development goes on to become the anus. In other words, at one point each of us was nothing more than an asshole. Fortunately, most people outgrow that stage.)
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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera 21 hours ago

I love it! People on the piece giving us all a lesson in anatomy and development.
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 Permalink Reply by Gerald Payne 19 hours ago

That 1000, per cent is some percentage.
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 Permalink Reply by Dyslexic's DOG yesterday

It looks like she has spent too much time in the kitchen and not enough time doing rational critical thinking about her employment.
Nor has she put much of the same critical thinking into her relationships.
She's a total loser, every which way we look at her.
Jail time won't fix idiots.
It only makes them more devious and desperate.

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 Permalink Reply by Donald R Barbera 21 hours ago

I didn't want to go there, but now that you mention it doesn't appear that she missed any meals. Jail time make the dimwitted even more so as they think other ruses.
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 Permalink Reply by Gerald Payne 21 hours ago

Only religious dogma could make marriage such a contentious issue. The same goes for alcohol drinking, Sunday shopping, and masturbation. Trivialities.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 18 hours ago

The latest on KIm Davis is that she (and her lawyers) expect the governor of Kentucky to save her. They claim he is directly over the marriage license issuing so he could make a "special" provision for Kim so she would not have to issue any gay marriage licenses and the rest of the clerks could then issue gay licenses legally. That way poor Kim could "practice her religion in peace."
None of these morons seem to see that Kim is using her job to force everyone else to practice her religion. The real solution is for her to resign because she refuses and does not recognize the law of the land.
Meanwhile, the Westboro Baptist Church has condemned Kim Davis as a hypocrite and says she "has helped bring this gay crisis upon us." This is because Kim is not married to her husband and she must leave him to make everything right. That's because Kim has been married 4 times (twice to the same man) and the Bible says you can only marry once. Poor Kim must leave them all OR go back to her first husband. In her defense Kim has argued that she only became a Christian 4 years ago. That doesn't seem to work because she was a Baptist before that and just 4 years ago became a Pentecostal Apastolic member. It means Kim knew the biblical law before divorcing and her "sin" is not covered under the forgivness of Jesus. Poor Kim.
I'm laughing my ass off here. (LMAO) This is all trucked up!
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W 15 hours ago
She doesn't need for the governor to save her. Jesus already did.
 Technically, from a fundamentalist christian bible point of view, WBC sounds right to me.
 She cant claim that her pre-conversion marriages, fornication, and children dont count now that she was born-again-again. That would be having her wedding cake and eating it too. Married is married, according to Jesus. She really should divorce her 4th husband and remarry her first. Unless her first was married to someone before her. Then she should become a nun or stone herself or something. I dont know what the bible says should happen to the kids she had by her 3rd husband before marrying her second - does god say they should be stoned, too?
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 Permalink Reply by k.h. ky 2 hours ago
Let's get them all stoned and see if they have a change of heart.
 Including; the devout muslim flight attendant who refuses to serve alcohol even though it's a job requirement.
 And the Indiana (?)judge who stopped performing marriages a year ago trying to circumvent the gay marriage law when it came into effect.
 How many more are going to try to hide their prejudices behind the cloak of their religion?
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W 2 hours ago
I wonder what goes on in these people's heads. i have known a gay man and in snother place and time, a Lesbian, who converted to and became devout Muslims. Back when I lived in Indiana I had a boyfriend for a while who was devout and became an AME minister. Tortured souls, I think. Indiana for some reason was a clergy stage for me - I also knew two bi or gay Methodist ministers on the downlow.
 I mean "soul" in metaphorical sense of course.
 Maybe Kim is horrified by the thought that, if she wanted to now, she could marry a woman. And somewhere deep in her psyche, wants that very much. So the combination of forbidden desire and lack of a social barrier, lead her to the security of a rigid religious structure. In order to more effectively impose that structure on herself, se feels she must impose it on all others.
 Armchair psychosnalyst here.
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