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Comment by Bertold Brautigan 1 hour ago
Susan G. Komen speaks out for equality, signs on to amicus brief to POTUS.
. . . it is almost impossible for me to fathom that in 26 percent of this nation, civil marriage is still unavailable for same-sex couples. There is absolutely no reason why loving same-sex couples should be excluded from the fundamental right to marry the person they love.
We are at a historical crossroads in America, when disparate political and ideological communities are committed to ensuring that discrimination on any level will not be tolerated. With this in mind, I have added my name to an amicus brief concerning government recognition of the freedom to marry filed with the U.S. Supreme Court by Project Right Side and former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman. A total of 303 Republican, libertarian, conservative, and center-right high-profile activists and government officials have signed on to the brief. We want the court to know that we support traditional conservative values, including a belief in the importance of stable families, and that those conservative values are consistent with affording civil marriage rights to same-sex couples.
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on March 13, 2015 at 3:45pm
Weekend entertainment, anyone??
There's a Brit TV show called Intelligence Squared that's a debate format, and this is a particularly heartening episode from a few years back. The topic is "Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good in the World? Arguing the pro side of the proposition is a most undynamic duo consisting of a Nigerian archbishop of the Catholic Church and a shrill and irritating former MP who noisily resigned the Church of England because they began ordaining women and became a Catholic. The pair, as the audience votes attest, would have lost a debate to a used prophylactic, and in this case they were absolutely no match for the "against" side which consists of Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry.
A memorable moment - while the Hitch is excoriating the Church for condemning his friend Fry for "who he is," he notes that "Homosexuality isn't just a kind of sex, it's a kind of love."
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on March 8, 2015 at 3:47pm
According to Out mag, before he leaves the AG spot Eric Holder is planning to have the DOJ file an amicus brief with SCOTUS denouncing statewide bans on same sex marriage.
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Comment by sk8eycat on February 24, 2015 at 11:03pm
I thought that sleeve-cutting myth was about a sleeping kitten....
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Comment by Daniel W on February 24, 2015 at 10:27pm
50 LGBTI factoids I knew a lot of these but not all. Kind of devoid of context - for example, the story about gay Chinese being sleeveless is based on the emperor's lover falling asleep on his arm, and when the emperor wanted to move, he cut off his sleeve so he would not awaken his lover.
Anyway, it's interesting reading the factoids all in a list.
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Comment by Daniel W on February 23, 2015 at 11:00am
Lunar New Year - also called Chinese New Year, is the largest mass migration of humanity in the world. It's like Christmas, Thanksgiving, and the Hadj, combined.
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Comment by David Matheu on February 22, 2015 at 6:15am
Adding insult to injury, this shameless "pedia-christian" lectured the two moms about what her god commands. She was unprofessional and totally unethical. Although there's no law protecting LGBT, her patient (the baby girl) is protected. Only a boycott of that pediatric practice will make her associates leave or force her to leave
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Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2015 at 11:08pm
On gay wedding cakes... Im not sure I agree, but I get Matt's point.
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Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2015 at 9:30pm
I'm thinking about a general forum discussion on this topic. On graduation from medical school, some doctors take the Declaration of Geneva (OHSU did that), some take Oath of Hypocrites, some take other oaths or none at all. Depends on the medical school. This is the Oath of Geneva, the Physician's oath taken at the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
"I solemnly pledge myself to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
"I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude which is their due;
"I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity; the health of my patient will be my first consideration;
"I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honor and the noble traditions of the medical profession; my colleagues will be my brothers;
"I will not permit considerations of religion, nationality, race, party politics or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patient;
"I will maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception,
"Even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity;
"I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honor."
Obviously, this pediatrician DOES permit religion and/or politics to intervene between her duty and her patient. In addition, the health of her patient is not her first consideration. Based on my understanding, she is clear in her violation of medical ethics.
However, as far as I know, the state medical boards to not require that any doctor has taken an oath, or that the doctor follow that oath. In addition, I don't think Michigan includes LGBT people in its laws regarding discrimination and public accommodations.
Felaine, being male of female doesn't guarantee any kind of sympathy or empathy. But I know you already know that.
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Comment by sk8eycat on February 20, 2015 at 6:31pm
Loren, the doctor in question is a WOMAN!! You's think a female would be more sympathetic, but NOHHHHHHH!
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan 1 hour ago
Susan G. Komen speaks out for equality, signs on to amicus brief to POTUS.
. . . it is almost impossible for me to fathom that in 26 percent of this nation, civil marriage is still unavailable for same-sex couples. There is absolutely no reason why loving same-sex couples should be excluded from the fundamental right to marry the person they love.
We are at a historical crossroads in America, when disparate political and ideological communities are committed to ensuring that discrimination on any level will not be tolerated. With this in mind, I have added my name to an amicus brief concerning government recognition of the freedom to marry filed with the U.S. Supreme Court by Project Right Side and former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman. A total of 303 Republican, libertarian, conservative, and center-right high-profile activists and government officials have signed on to the brief. We want the court to know that we support traditional conservative values, including a belief in the importance of stable families, and that those conservative values are consistent with affording civil marriage rights to same-sex couples.
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on March 13, 2015 at 3:45pm
Weekend entertainment, anyone??
There's a Brit TV show called Intelligence Squared that's a debate format, and this is a particularly heartening episode from a few years back. The topic is "Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good in the World? Arguing the pro side of the proposition is a most undynamic duo consisting of a Nigerian archbishop of the Catholic Church and a shrill and irritating former MP who noisily resigned the Church of England because they began ordaining women and became a Catholic. The pair, as the audience votes attest, would have lost a debate to a used prophylactic, and in this case they were absolutely no match for the "against" side which consists of Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry.
A memorable moment - while the Hitch is excoriating the Church for condemning his friend Fry for "who he is," he notes that "Homosexuality isn't just a kind of sex, it's a kind of love."
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on March 8, 2015 at 3:47pm
According to Out mag, before he leaves the AG spot Eric Holder is planning to have the DOJ file an amicus brief with SCOTUS denouncing statewide bans on same sex marriage.
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Comment by sk8eycat on February 24, 2015 at 11:03pm
I thought that sleeve-cutting myth was about a sleeping kitten....
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Comment by Daniel W on February 24, 2015 at 10:27pm
50 LGBTI factoids I knew a lot of these but not all. Kind of devoid of context - for example, the story about gay Chinese being sleeveless is based on the emperor's lover falling asleep on his arm, and when the emperor wanted to move, he cut off his sleeve so he would not awaken his lover.
Anyway, it's interesting reading the factoids all in a list.
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Comment by Daniel W on February 23, 2015 at 11:00am
Lunar New Year - also called Chinese New Year, is the largest mass migration of humanity in the world. It's like Christmas, Thanksgiving, and the Hadj, combined.
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Comment by David Matheu on February 22, 2015 at 6:15am
Adding insult to injury, this shameless "pedia-christian" lectured the two moms about what her god commands. She was unprofessional and totally unethical. Although there's no law protecting LGBT, her patient (the baby girl) is protected. Only a boycott of that pediatric practice will make her associates leave or force her to leave
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Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2015 at 11:08pm
On gay wedding cakes... Im not sure I agree, but I get Matt's point.
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Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2015 at 9:30pm
I'm thinking about a general forum discussion on this topic. On graduation from medical school, some doctors take the Declaration of Geneva (OHSU did that), some take Oath of Hypocrites, some take other oaths or none at all. Depends on the medical school. This is the Oath of Geneva, the Physician's oath taken at the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
"I solemnly pledge myself to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
"I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude which is their due;
"I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity; the health of my patient will be my first consideration;
"I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honor and the noble traditions of the medical profession; my colleagues will be my brothers;
"I will not permit considerations of religion, nationality, race, party politics or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patient;
"I will maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception,
"Even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity;
"I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honor."
Obviously, this pediatrician DOES permit religion and/or politics to intervene between her duty and her patient. In addition, the health of her patient is not her first consideration. Based on my understanding, she is clear in her violation of medical ethics.
However, as far as I know, the state medical boards to not require that any doctor has taken an oath, or that the doctor follow that oath. In addition, I don't think Michigan includes LGBT people in its laws regarding discrimination and public accommodations.
Felaine, being male of female doesn't guarantee any kind of sympathy or empathy. But I know you already know that.
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Comment by sk8eycat on February 20, 2015 at 6:31pm
Loren, the doctor in question is a WOMAN!! You's think a female would be more sympathetic, but NOHHHHHHH!
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Comment by Daniel W 19 hours ago
The news on race this year has been sobering. It feels to me like there has been a worsening of racial inequality, racism, and trivialization of racial topics.
Urban League President Marc Morial "Black America is in Crisis" CBS News. However, in the article, it sounds like there is incremental progress.
Im curious about the red equal sign Morial is wearing. I know there is a gay red equal sign, but this looks different. It leads me to wonder - with all of the ribbons, and the red equal signs, is there a logo that promotes racial equality? Would it matter if people wore such a logo?
My car has a Human Rights Campaign FUnd equal sign. I would love if there was such a symbol that promoted racial equality.
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Comment by Daniel W on February 17, 2015 at 11:07am
Among the truisms among those promoting racial equality, is that racism can only be practiced by white people against nonwhite. The truth is far more complex, and racism is universally practiced by in-groups against out-groups, even when both groups are out-groups and there is intermarriage between them.
IndianCountryTodayMediaNetwork.com Are Louisiana Tribes Turning a Blind Eye to Racism - despite centuries of intermarriage, " Social and legal prohibitions had been put in place to discourage any form of intermarriage with black people and to distance them from relatives who were perceived to have some black blood. Indians were attempting to shield themselves as best they could from further discriminatory treatment by the whites that surrounded them. By removing their own kin with attachments to the black community and intermarrying with white individuals, many were attempting to reduce the levels of prejudicial hostility they had experienced since the intrusion of whites on their lands. This historical reality has had devastating effects on indigenous families that intermarried with black people amongst numerous tribes in the nation. The Chitimacha are a poster child for such discrimination. "
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Comment by Daniel W on February 17, 2015 at 8:57am
Not sure what to make of this article from The Week. I try to read diverse points of view, as long as they seem thoughtful or inform my own. If anyone can tell me what the author is saying, I would be interested to hear it. I THINK they are saying, the ideas we think of as progressive, evolve, and what was considered positive social evolution in the past would be regressive now. Which sounds obvious, but I may be missing the point.
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Comment by Daniel W on January 20, 2015 at 9:34am
I need to see that movie. I need something positive and uplifting. I need some hope, some reminder, that somewhere, some people do the right thing, not whining about what words to use for political correctness, not buried in narcissistic Randian excuses for avarice, not disingenuous and mendacious, but just doing what is good and right and caring. Such people do exist, and have existed. They are, in the minds of many, flawed. They may have had affairs, had their moments when they lied, or stole, or had outbursts of temper. But if, in the end, they showed strength of character, and empathy, and courage, and stood up for others, that's what mattered.
I really need to see some of that.
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on January 20, 2015 at 9:15am
Charles Pierce has a thoughtful review of the film Selma titled The Ownership Of History: Selma And The Way We Look At America
His conclusion:
So we hear that the triumphs of the Civil Rights Movement, which were aided within the government by a Democratic president and the kind of Republicans who don't exist any more, are somehow cheapened and lessened by what, say, Robert Byrd and Hugo Black did in their 30's, and nobody notices that there no longer is a constituency within the Republican party for extending the franchise. The Civil Rights Movement, orphaned by popular culture and misused in memory by people who are not worthy to be mentioned in the same breath with the people depicted in Ava DuVernay's film, was an American war that culminated in an American victory, no more or less decisive than what was negotiated on the decks of the USS Missouri. It belongs to the country, which turns its back on that victory to its everlasting shame.
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Comment by Daniel W on January 14, 2015 at 8:58pm
The 5 worst USA states for black people, according to The Root. I'm kind of surprised Missouri was not one of them. Only 1 is in the South. Which says something too.
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Comment by Daniel W on January 4, 2015 at 9:16am
FromDailyKos, Remembering the Rosewood Massacre.
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Comment by Daniel W on January 4, 2015 at 9:08am
Elegant, historically incorrect portraits. One artist's Rembrant-style portraits of black subjects. CNN
This prompted me to think about "concerns" that the next James Bond might be Idris Elba, and disingenuous complaints that James Bond was "always written to be Scottish" - even though the only Scottish actor to play Bond, of many Bonds, was Sean Connery.
Culture. Race. Ethnicity. None are engraved in stone.
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Comment by Daniel W on November 26, 2014 at 10:15pm
Kind of a disappointment - I hoped that the younger generation was more open. We keep reading that is the case.
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Comment by Natalie A Sera on September 24, 2014 at 3:21pm
Actually, SB, the things that they have publicly identified as being Neanderthal have to do with the immune system, not any visible characteristics. And for me, because I already know I'm Ashkenazi Jewish, it's interesting to find out that in addition to Northern European, which I expected, there was no Eastern European (which people expect Jews to be), and there was Mediterranean and West Asian, which could include places as far-flung as North Africa, Israel (expected) and Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan. So I'm a Heinz 57, in a way, but in a different way from what people usually expect. So what do I put down as my "race" or ethnic group in the next census? :-)
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Comment by Daniel W 19 hours ago
The news on race this year has been sobering. It feels to me like there has been a worsening of racial inequality, racism, and trivialization of racial topics.
Urban League President Marc Morial "Black America is in Crisis" CBS News. However, in the article, it sounds like there is incremental progress.
Im curious about the red equal sign Morial is wearing. I know there is a gay red equal sign, but this looks different. It leads me to wonder - with all of the ribbons, and the red equal signs, is there a logo that promotes racial equality? Would it matter if people wore such a logo?
My car has a Human Rights Campaign FUnd equal sign. I would love if there was such a symbol that promoted racial equality.
.
Comment by Daniel W on February 17, 2015 at 11:07am
Among the truisms among those promoting racial equality, is that racism can only be practiced by white people against nonwhite. The truth is far more complex, and racism is universally practiced by in-groups against out-groups, even when both groups are out-groups and there is intermarriage between them.
IndianCountryTodayMediaNetwork.com Are Louisiana Tribes Turning a Blind Eye to Racism - despite centuries of intermarriage, " Social and legal prohibitions had been put in place to discourage any form of intermarriage with black people and to distance them from relatives who were perceived to have some black blood. Indians were attempting to shield themselves as best they could from further discriminatory treatment by the whites that surrounded them. By removing their own kin with attachments to the black community and intermarrying with white individuals, many were attempting to reduce the levels of prejudicial hostility they had experienced since the intrusion of whites on their lands. This historical reality has had devastating effects on indigenous families that intermarried with black people amongst numerous tribes in the nation. The Chitimacha are a poster child for such discrimination. "
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Comment by Daniel W on February 17, 2015 at 8:57am
Not sure what to make of this article from The Week. I try to read diverse points of view, as long as they seem thoughtful or inform my own. If anyone can tell me what the author is saying, I would be interested to hear it. I THINK they are saying, the ideas we think of as progressive, evolve, and what was considered positive social evolution in the past would be regressive now. Which sounds obvious, but I may be missing the point.
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Comment by Daniel W on January 20, 2015 at 9:34am
I need to see that movie. I need something positive and uplifting. I need some hope, some reminder, that somewhere, some people do the right thing, not whining about what words to use for political correctness, not buried in narcissistic Randian excuses for avarice, not disingenuous and mendacious, but just doing what is good and right and caring. Such people do exist, and have existed. They are, in the minds of many, flawed. They may have had affairs, had their moments when they lied, or stole, or had outbursts of temper. But if, in the end, they showed strength of character, and empathy, and courage, and stood up for others, that's what mattered.
I really need to see some of that.
.
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on January 20, 2015 at 9:15am
Charles Pierce has a thoughtful review of the film Selma titled The Ownership Of History: Selma And The Way We Look At America
His conclusion:
So we hear that the triumphs of the Civil Rights Movement, which were aided within the government by a Democratic president and the kind of Republicans who don't exist any more, are somehow cheapened and lessened by what, say, Robert Byrd and Hugo Black did in their 30's, and nobody notices that there no longer is a constituency within the Republican party for extending the franchise. The Civil Rights Movement, orphaned by popular culture and misused in memory by people who are not worthy to be mentioned in the same breath with the people depicted in Ava DuVernay's film, was an American war that culminated in an American victory, no more or less decisive than what was negotiated on the decks of the USS Missouri. It belongs to the country, which turns its back on that victory to its everlasting shame.
.
Comment by Daniel W on January 14, 2015 at 8:58pm
The 5 worst USA states for black people, according to The Root. I'm kind of surprised Missouri was not one of them. Only 1 is in the South. Which says something too.
.
Comment by Daniel W on January 4, 2015 at 9:16am
FromDailyKos, Remembering the Rosewood Massacre.
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Comment by Daniel W on January 4, 2015 at 9:08am
Elegant, historically incorrect portraits. One artist's Rembrant-style portraits of black subjects. CNN
This prompted me to think about "concerns" that the next James Bond might be Idris Elba, and disingenuous complaints that James Bond was "always written to be Scottish" - even though the only Scottish actor to play Bond, of many Bonds, was Sean Connery.
Culture. Race. Ethnicity. None are engraved in stone.
.
Comment by Daniel W on November 26, 2014 at 10:15pm
Kind of a disappointment - I hoped that the younger generation was more open. We keep reading that is the case.
.
Comment by Natalie A Sera on September 24, 2014 at 3:21pm
Actually, SB, the things that they have publicly identified as being Neanderthal have to do with the immune system, not any visible characteristics. And for me, because I already know I'm Ashkenazi Jewish, it's interesting to find out that in addition to Northern European, which I expected, there was no Eastern European (which people expect Jews to be), and there was Mediterranean and West Asian, which could include places as far-flung as North Africa, Israel (expected) and Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan. So I'm a Heinz 57, in a way, but in a different way from what people usually expect. So what do I put down as my "race" or ethnic group in the next census? :-)
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