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09:53 PM on 10/23/2011
I guess you missed the part I wrote earlier about personal incidents. I find it interesting that your Jesus is White with blonde hair. And muscular. Whatever works for you.
 I also find it interesting, that there are millions in this country and around the world, with cancer, heart disease, lung disease, paralysis, and all other sorts of ailments, who pray every day, yet God doesn't do anything for them. When I was visiting my Father in the cancer ward, a minister for 52 years, his Father, also a minister for 50 plus years, both died of cancer. Yet God couldn't do anything for them? Really? You have kids in the cancer ward, dying. Babies born with all sorts of diseases and they die. Their body literally falls to pieces.
 And yet here you are. You get a reduced rate on your home loan and that's some sort of reference to God?
 My brother said the same thing about his house. He would never get in that house if it weren't for God. Got up and testified and was telling anyone that would listen that God gave him the house. Then the housing market crashed, his home value plunged and now he is underwater with his mortgage.
 As I said, believe what you do. That's your business. I don't buy it.

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10:47 PM on 10/23/2011
Omaha it is appointed unto man to die. However if we die as a believer we know that we shall live again. Swish, you missed it. The fact is that I saw an touched an angel. he was rushing. i was rushing but we clashed! The angel did appear as a white person Jesus however has been described as having skin of bronze. At the time I was in good health. i didnt need a healing. I needed cash so yeah reducing my mortgage was the right blessing for me! btw my kid still live in that house which is paid for!

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02:14 PM on 10/24/2011
Ha! on "Swish, you missed it". Now, that's original! Have to laugh at that one!
 Anyway, you and I will never agree. It's quite obvious that you have your belief and I have no problem with you believing what you do. As I said, don't push it on me and I'm fine.
 You still completely miss the point but that's ok. That's like saying "Boom! You're blinded by religion just like the Pharisees!"
 But hey. It's your life. Live it how you want. Believe what you want. I'll say it a million times. Believe what you want. Just don't push your belief on me.

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03:01 PM on 10/24/2011
Omaha why come you believe people who are not obeying God themselves can in any way inspire others to do so? People spose to do as the say while seeing the evil they do and proudly proclaim!

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12:18 AM on 10/25/2011
jagge....we're going to run out of room to reply! I just got in from a long day on the road. I'm tired but will respond very quickly to your post. I'm really not sure what you're asking me. I think you asked how come I believe that people who are not obeying God themselves can in any way inspire others?
 Well, I don't believe that. I believe that the majority of the current people who call themselves are hypocrites. I think they use Christianity as a label and not as a life experience. They want to "fit in" and not be associated with Satan so they claim Christ, while their very lives reflect what we consider to be immoral behavior.
 The Bible clearly states that you can't serve two Masters. Yet, you have people who claim to follow Christ, behaving in ways that are clearly outlawed in the Bible. This modern day sect of "Pick N Choose Christianity" is destroying lives worldwide.
 I would rather show up at Judgment Day knowing that I have no allegiance to any church and let my life's record speak for itself. I would put my record and life's work up against ANY of the so-called Christians.
 Unlike most, I've studied and educated myself regarding my beliefs. I just don't regurgitate what some guy in a pulpit told me. Being educated doesn't make me smart but I'm able to discern Biblical hypocrisy and call things as they are.
 Anyway, that's all.

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07:17 PM on 10/25/2011
So how did you educate yourself on your beliefs? You aint dead. You dont believe the book or the preacher. You dont believe any one living has communicated with Him. Where did you glean your wisdom Omaha???

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05:32 PM on 10/23/2011
Hey Steve aint the church suppose to be dolling ourselves up like a bride adorned for her husband? Why come you want us to be going around in sackcloth n ashes?

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07:50 PM on 10/23/2011
Your metaphors don't even make any sense. Do you hide behind them because you have nothing of substance to say?

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08:32 PM on 10/23/2011
Steve you know exactly what I said and it blew you out the water! Ha!

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01:58 PM on 10/26/2011
I'm a Christian, but you aren't an example for me of anything but pride, self-righteous judgment and the false equating of material gain with God's favor. I pray that love will touch you one day.

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02:08 PM on 10/26/2011
Boy, Jaggy done submitted my will unto the will of God. He say jump I say how high Lord? I, aint the one trying to rewrite the book! God the one gave the judgement and rendered the sentence for disobedience not me. If you gots a problem with that tell it to the Judge!

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03:31 PM on 10/22/2011
I have heard that the problem is with the interpretation of the word that has been translated in English editions as "abomination."  I have heard more than one person with theological training explain that the passage means that homosexual ritual practices were outside of the religious practices of the Israelites.  This was to explain Jewish religious ritual by contrasting it with Roman or other pagan homosexual rituals.  It was explained that this Biblical passage did not address homosexuality outside of religious ceremonies.

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03:39 PM on 10/22/2011
I agree. You must acknowledge your own personal truth, but the whole point behind that is to align your will with God's will (easier said than done sometimes). But it's not okay to openly engage in sin!

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03:59 PM on 10/22/2011
I'm sure the Christians in the list are indeed reading the same bible. Funny thing that, hu? So many Christians who aren't getting the same message from god that you are.

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04:55 PM on 10/22/2011
They are playing church and ignoring what they don't agree with. This is true with many people, including many Christians and make believe Christians.

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04:15 PM on 10/22/2011
The same bible where the daughters plan to preserve their father's seed...yes in the biblical sense. So incest is a-ok?

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06:11 PM on 10/22/2011
Seems interesting how they gloss over that bit of extreme-breeding heterosexuality immediately after the part where they ignore the hospitality laws and assume that *obviously* in a city famed for being afraid of strangers, there was obviously a mob of 'gay agenda' that just had to do some angel-rapin', or else. :)
 Apparently, the idea is that Lot got wasted and was pointing at a city that got nuked from orbit and a pillar of salt, and was like, 'See, girls, this is all about buttsecs. People really have to be breeders.' 'But we're the only people left in the world, Dad?"
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11:31 PM on 10/25/2011
The BIble . . . yes, the book that says slavery is okay. Gone out and taken any slaves from neighboring villages by force lately?
 It's okay with God!!!

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01:01 PM on 10/22/2011
You're telling us that you alone have a direct link to hearing God's voice. C'mon, son! It just ain't true!

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01:25 PM on 10/22/2011
Me? Alone? Why come you say that? God always got a remnant of committed servants wuth an ear to hear what the Spirit of God be saying.
 If the hom dont want to be obeying God why come they want to claim to be part of the fold???

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04:57 PM on 10/22/2011
" Let the ignorant be ignorant" (Jesus Christ". " Don't cast your pearls before swine" (Jesus Christ).

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01:39 PM on 10/22/2011
Preach!!!!

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01:43 PM on 10/22/2011
Well He told us to tell them!

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12:22 PM on 10/22/2011
If only the LGBT comminity and Christians could somehow be on the same page. As a Christian, my goal is to tell people the good news that Jesus brought us. That news is that ALL can be saved by accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
 The bible teaches that to practice homosexuality is wrong. We all have our own sins to bear, and gays have the the sin of homosexuality. Just as I may want to lie or cheat or steal, the gay wants to engage in sexual relations with the same sex. That's pretty natural, as we all sin and fall short of the glory of God.
 Jesus came into the world not to condemn us, but to save us. When we trust in Christ, the urge to sin might not go away, but He will give us the strength to overcome that sin.
 Since we all fall short, gays might not always win that war against practicing homosexuality, just as I might not win that battle to lie, cheat or, steal. However, if we'll repent, He is faithful to forgive our sin.
 My prayer is that gays will know that homosexuality is sin, (Please note that I'm a sinner as well) but also that the grace of God can prevail over all sin, if only we'll trust Him and allow Him to work in our lives.

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04:16 PM on 10/23/2011
Being gay is not the same as lying, cheating. Heterosexuals engage in sex and are they sinning? Lying hurts another if done for the wrong reasons. Cheating or stealing takes from another. Sex with a partner is an affirmation of love and not hurting anyone, and in fact, being loving. The bigotry and poorly thought positioning is offensive and absurd.
 The bible has lists of sins that include hundreds of items including food one eats and the cloth one wears and who you are eating with. It allows and treats as a jolly affair (not a sin) slavery and the subjugation of women and selling people into slavery. It allows the completer eradication of villages and every man, woman, and child if god so agrees. The Christians pick their sins. Most of the sins aren't even thought of sins in todays world and most Christians don't live their lives as if those sins were relevant. Why? Yet here you are going on about a specific thing that isn't really a sin, but you believe it should be thought of one today.
 I'll be blunt. This is not religion by cherry picking and not thinking about what these are. This is bigotry. Love is love. You are not here saying lies are ok if they save someone's life or protect someone. You are not saying that homosexuality and sex is fine if one is expressing love, and if not it isn't.

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07:01 PM on 10/23/2011
I wish I could agree with yuor assertions, however, if you read the scriptures thoroughly, you'll find that you're the one cherry picking the bible. God has covered each of the supposed old testament sins in His new covenant. We can agree that some things seem strange to us, but we have to remember scripture tells us God's ways are not like our ways and our ways are not like God's. He says in Proverbs 1:7 that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Unfortunatley, people of the present now seem to believe they know more than God. Have you ever wondered what you'll have to say to the one awesome God when you meet Him?
 The truth isn't always fun, but it's always the truth. My prayers are with you, friend.

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07:48 PM on 10/23/2011
You missed a big point and you are incorrect in this regard.
 The New Testament was created decades after the death of Jesus. That truth may not be fun. It was created from people who never even met him or heard him.
 You are incorrect. People are on this thread quote all kinds of passages of the bible. Both New Testament and Old Testament quotes. Not all Christians are like you and say that only the New Testament counts. There are so many sects that differ in this regard. You just represent one opinion from one sect. Christianity has hundreds of sects and is abt 1900 yrs old. Please take a pause and get a little perspective.
 There is no reason to think you represent all of Christianity. That was the reason for my post, my friend. Please take a little time and put things in perspective. You neither speak for all of Christianity nor do you speak for god. Both of those latter points are facts which I think you can appreciate.

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05:11 PM on 10/23/2011
Tompo, We believe, we repent and we submit our will to His Jesus is the Christians Savior and Lord.A hom know He lives but he denies his own state of being and need for repentance and refuses to bow down. Yet for some strange reason he wants to be recognized as one of the called. Did He call us to remain in our sins? What Christ die for if we can skip any which a way into the kingdom?

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07:05 PM on 10/23/2011
You ask great questions. I hope all will see that it's not up to us to decide which commandments are right. My prayers are with you.

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11:58 AM on 10/22/2011
Hmmmm........lets see, LGBT card, check!
 Unity with God card, che......what the..............hey, wheres my card? Oh what the HELL?
 Oh well, I doubt anyone will even ask me if I have that card anyway!

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11:37 AM on 10/22/2011
It is so sad that not one Roman Catholic made the list. Not surprising though, since the Vatican is so homophobic and any RC religious leader who ventures out in support of LGBT catholics is slapped down hard and fast.

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01:02 PM on 10/22/2011
Yes, sad. I could post the name and photo of a gay priest I admire, who's done good work, and lives openly with his partner, but he'd suffer the consequences.

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11:23 AM on 10/22/2011
This is so sad. So many misled, confused people.

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12:13 PM on 10/22/2011
Not "misled". They are people who preach Jesus' teachings of love, forgiveness, and helping the least among us. They are not confused, but are following the way.
 It is the bigots that are blind and miss the entire point. The blindness is astonishing.

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12:57 PM on 10/22/2011
Heard Jesus said"Outside the gate are the dogs!"

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01:03 PM on 10/22/2011
Yes, but within the gates of Jesus's love, these lgbt leaders keep the homophobic dogs at bay.

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01:28 PM on 10/22/2011
Quit using that word. We aint afraid of yall. You are just sinners like the thief or murderer. When was the last time you let the village thug watch over your house while you was on vacation?

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01:48 PM on 10/22/2011
Hypocracy drips off your post. It is sad. Very sad.

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02:03 PM on 10/22/2011
Lucy, where was the hypocrisy in any of my post? Why would God leave the shepherding of His church in the hands of people who are not of His kingdom? The sexually immoral have no fellowship with holiness. Yall the ones trying to mix the threads!

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02:27 PM on 10/22/2011
Your hypocracy and obsession shows your blindness and shallowness. Yes, your posts drip hypocracy and are exactly why I left Christianity. The misuse of scripture, but worse, the complete cluelessness of not understanding the most basic premise of a path of love.
 Those that are homosexual have no choice. It is biological. Those that love whether heterosexual or homosexual are loving other human beings. That is only good and part of the way. More love in the world is part of the way.
 Your post is mean-spirited and obsessed with shariah. You miss the entire point of Jesus' teachings. You read words and don't understand the ideas. You condemn constantly and don't understand that Jesus was not about condemning, but about inclusion, love, forgiveness and helping the least among us. I'm sure you haven't even rid yourself of all of your property and help the least among us. I bet the odds are 99.999% you haven't.
“Lucy, where was the hypocrisy in any of my post? Why would God leave the shepherdin­g of His church in the hands of people who are not of His kingdom? The sexually immoral have no fellowship with holiness. Yall the ones trying to mix the threads!”

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01:51 PM on 10/22/2011
Bigots deny the way of Jesus is the way of love. They are fond of their institutional shariah and the feeling of self-righteousness and being the elite of heaven while 99.99% are tortured for eternity. Minds like that are not about love. It is human biology.

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09:55 PM on 10/22/2011
Exactly, perfect point.

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01:35 PM on 10/22/2011
Typical. Treating 'man's best friend' as something bad and dirty, then trying to close the 'gates' on em. :)

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12:21 PM on 10/22/2011
As opposed to what, having a religion whose teaching is rooted in bigotry and homophobia?
 I spent the first half of my life attending a conservative Church, and the second half attending a mainline "progressive" Church. So much of conservative theology is rooted in hatred. They hate the communists (this was a big deal back in the 60s and 70s), they hate socialists, they hate abortion, they hate this and that. Their list on what is wrong was long, and varied from one conservative Church to another. Some were anti-Catholic, and all were anti-gay. The Southern Baptists supported slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and fought against federal lynching laws, desegregation and civil rights. The bigotry, bitterness, and hatred I found among many conservatives became tiresome. I found great peace, joy, and love among in a mainline Church. The focus was no longer on why everyone is wrong, but what we can do to help others.

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03:08 PM on 10/22/2011
I guess we have different experiences

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04:39 PM on 10/22/2011
Go back and re-read your original message. Without even knowing the people you were writing about, you condemned them because they don't share your particular religious beliefs. Where was the love? Where was the compassion?

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06:02 PM on 10/22/2011
There was no condemnation. Believing that someone is wrong, confused, or misled is not condemnation.

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06:28 PM on 10/22/2011
You didn't say that there were merely wrong in their theology, you pontificated that they were "sad" and "confused." How would you know this to be true unless you knew them? And if you didn't know them, isn't such a statement merely a condemnation?

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06:44 PM on 10/22/2011
Steven,
 I have no desire to continue in conversation with you after this. It is for no other reason than I believe that you fit the Biblical definition of a "scoffer." Your theology is directed by your agenda, rather than your agenda directed by your theology.
 I never called any of these people sad but rather than this situation is sad. They may be completely happy in evert aspect of their lives. My statement is regards to their confusion is in reference to how absolutely wrong they are about what the Bible says about homosexuality.
 You can think someone is wrong without condemning them. I have no doubt, however, that is the absence of true repentance they will all face true and eternal condemnation.

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08:47 PM on 10/22/2011
Re: "My statement is regards to their confusion is in reference to how absolutely wrong they are about what the Bible says about homosexual­ity."
 You are the one confused. Where did any of them make any statement about what the Bible says about homosexuality? That's your problem, you make things up and then proclaim them as fact.
 Re: "I believe that you fit the Biblical definition of a "scoffer."
 Again, something you just made up out of thin air. None of the messages which I've written have scoffed.
 Re: "Your theology is directed by your agenda, rather than your agenda directed by your theology."
 Again and again, you make false accusations up out of thin air. You don't know me, you don't know my theology. At best, you have seen just one thin sliver of my theological positions, certainly not enough to pass judgement.

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01:39 PM on 10/22/2011
I agree with you!

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02:54 PM on 10/22/2011
The only misled person seems to be you.

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08:26 AM on 10/22/2011
When God placed man then woman in the Garden for his helpmeet, so he would not be alone, God knew his commandment not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil would not be obeyed. Nonetheless, He allowed us to multiply and fill this earth even after He knew the power within ourselves not do evil would cause the chaos we now consist of. So let this Bishop, the like-minded, the atheist, the Satanist, the legalist, or any worldly-minded individual make their proclamations or put their beliefs into action that are not in the Will of God, He is still in control. Taking His Word in its entirety is something he will not force on anyone. However, the non-repentant will have a bill to pay, which in Jesus Christ, has become null and void.
 Matthew 22:35-40 King James Version
 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

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09:34 AM on 10/22/2011
OK, you can step down from the pulpit now.

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06:17 PM on 10/22/2011
Peace.

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12:14 PM on 10/22/2011
These people listed in the article are doing just that.
 Jesus said to love, be compassionate and forgive, help the least among us, and give up all the material goods.

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01:57 PM on 10/22/2011
God before the foundation of the earth has decided how our works and faith in Him are justified. If a man or woman modifies what He has put in place, He will not have any part of them. Therefore, if we commit one transgression against His Word, it is as if we have committed them all. We will stand guilty before God and He will hold us accountable in judgment.

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02:03 PM on 10/22/2011
So speaks god's mouth. So speaks gods representative and spokesperson.
 Jesus' way is not about shariah. He badgered the Pharasees for missing the point. He preached the way of love and compassion, forgiveness, helping the least among us, getting rid of our material trappings. An open heart and a mind that is open to truth that is before one.
 I understand that you are into that shariah thing. So be it. It is your right to your subjective belief and mental machinations. However, there is no reason I should assume that you are god's spoke person on Earth. In fact, there is every reason to assume you are not.

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05:44 PM on 10/22/2011
Okay.

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05:50 PM on 10/22/2011
I am sorry, I forgot to say peace to you.

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05:59 PM on 10/22/2011
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12:59 PM on 10/22/2011
We show our love for God by OBEYING Him! Look it up.

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02:13 PM on 10/22/2011
I think that is the point I made....

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02:26 PM on 10/22/2011
If a point was made why come you trying to clarify it?

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05:48 PM on 10/22/2011
What do you want? Whatever it is, I do not think that I am the one who can help you with it. Peace.

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06:13 PM on 10/22/2011
I have what I want crispy. I am forgiven!

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06:46 PM on 10/22/2011
You do not get away so easy with that crispy statement, rude and arrogant. I read how you talked to Lucy. Having forgiveness, does not entitle you to act this way.
 Titus 3 King James Version
 1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates , to be ready to every good work, 2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. 3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
 You should get the gist of the above scriptures, forgiven.

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03:42 PM on 10/22/2011
What a sad, sad statement.

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03:51 PM on 10/22/2011
Read it and weep Lucy!
 John 14:21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."''You gits to trust and obey!

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04:04 PM on 10/22/2011
You miss everything. What a sad, sad statement.
 Love, forgive, help the least among us. Give up your material goods. Follow Jesus' way of compassion.

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05:51 PM on 10/22/2011
Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to GO AND SIN NO MORE! guess YOU missed that!

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06:04 PM on 10/22/2011
Your post: "Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to GO AND SIN NO MORE! guess YOU missed that! "
 You aren't comprehending most of what I posted.
 Love and expressing love is Jesus' way. Forgiveness. Helping the least among us. Giving up the material things. All of this to create a loving open heart. Loving people who happen to be homosexuals are still loving people. Expressing love is different then "betravel and trying to hurt someone". Adultery is betrayel of trust and love". It is not love. That you even think adultery is like people who are homosexuals and love each other as an open act of love, is pure cynicism and blindness.
 You missed everything that I was posting about and instead focused on the shariah rules.

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ladycrispe­rfat wrote "Matthew 22:35-40 King James Version. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandmen­­t in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandmen­­t. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandmen­­ts hang all the law and the prophets."
 To which jaggeththe­wires wrote "We show our love for God by OBEYING Him! Look it up."
 To which I respond: re-read the quote again. Jesus says the second commandmen­t is "like unto" the first commandmen­t. BOTH commandmen­ts are that we LOVE: God and others as if they were us. Jesus commanded LOVE, not OBEDIENCE. LOVE is the key. If you LOVE, then you will likely do the RIGHT THING. People who OBEY tend to be literal and blind, like the Pharisees. Jesus never used the word OBEY about what he said. Never. He used words like LOVE, and TRUTH, and SPIRIT. Never OBEDIENCE.

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02:40 PM on 10/24/2011
Dave we love God by obeying Him. You cant do the second command (love one another) unless you are obeying the first. Jesus said: "If you love me DO WHAT I SAY'
 That sound like he wants us to obey His commandments!
 Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as idolatry and teraphim.

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01:37 PM on 10/22/2011
If it's 'not good for a man to be alone,' why do you insist it's holy to ...demand LGBT people be alone, just cause you believe your Adam was straight? :)

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02:27 PM on 10/22/2011
Genesis 2 (King James Version)
 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20 And Adam gavenames to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept : and he tookone of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said , This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh . 25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

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06:18 PM on 10/22/2011
Well, that doesn't say why it's supposed to be good for LGBT people to be alone. Where you got your major nudity hangups, I dunno either. Blaming the gays for *that,* too? What is this, the Defense Department? :)

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06:21 PM on 10/22/2011
See, If I can spell that out for you, that book says that your God made a straight dude, and then said outloud all kinds of things about that dude. But are you saying he didn't mean it when he said 'But non-straight people, you can make them be alone all you want?' :)

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06:24 PM on 10/22/2011
Or, rather when you say he said what he didn't say some author said he said.
 He said, according to your book, 'It's not good for a man to be alone.' Why do you think that means it's good to force LGBT people to be alone? Never mind gives you the *right?*

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07:08 PM on 10/22/2011
I am alone and have been for 30 years now. I was alone even when I was shacking up with the man I was in love with for eleven years before that. I have had my heart broken more times than I want to count or want to remember. I have learned that God Grace is sufficent and weeping endures just for a night. If the God I serve is not for you, then press on with your life. Leave what I say in the dust. Peace.

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02:04 AM on 10/23/2011
I have to ask... If you've been alone for thirty years, and consider the 'marriage' you spew Bible hate to condemn others for not trying to be 'shacking up...'
 Again, why do you think your God says 'It's not good for a man to be alone,' and then try to demand all queer people be alone?
 What you *say* is *hate* and will neither make your straight marriage not-'shacking up,' nor make your solitary devotions to your God any more sacred, for trying to make someone else suffer for it.
 Personally, I've often felt that perhaps I loved my Gods better than the people I was with, and not for lack of loving the people... But when someone quotes books as you do to tear me away from the *people* I love, it does no good Gods any service, nor does it turn either of us straight nor make nor make either of us any *better* at serving any Gods.
 Things you advocate doing with your book are not 'Grace,' they are *hatred, blame, and weapons against others,* and perhaps indeed yourself.
 Funny thing: nothing to do with being a queer gal, but if *my* Lady had said, "Nah, Just Me and Only Me," I'd have been *there.* Bang. Frankly, sometimes it's hard to not be.
 Maybe She said, something like "It's not good for *you* to be alone" to a simple Pagan like myself.
 Certainly, never mind try and hurt others over it.

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06:47 AM on 10/23/2011
This is the last time I am going to respond to you, lintlass I said that God Grace is sufficient. I gave no excuses for my wrongdoing. If my life had ended when I was going through that time in my life, I would have opened my eyes in hell and worthy of the lake of fire on the Day of Judgment. Why would I expect anything more now that I see that His Grace is sufficient and Jesus loves me now as He did then? I was wrong, wrong, wrong, hoping I could make it right by my own will. Thanks to God, that let me lived. Now take the advice I gave you, press on with your life, and see what the end going to be. It seems that you are in a place of misery and need someone to take it out on. If I am wrong, forgive me. I will be praying for you. Peace.

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06:50 PM on 10/22/2011
Remember that god only created woman/Eve *after* Adam rejected all the animals as a "helpmeet". What if Adam took a fancy to the goat?

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08:32 PM on 10/22/2011
It said nothing about Adam looking for a mate in the animals. He just named them. God already knew that He was going to create the woman for the man. Those word of no mate was found for Adam was stated so mankind would know that it is only a woman and man that God deems good for each other as husband and wife.

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08:56 PM on 10/22/2011
--“It said nothing about Adam looking for a mate in the animals.
 Genesis 2:20 "but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."
 Why would god think that there might be a help meet?

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10:45 PM on 10/22/2011
He did not think that there was a helpmeet in the animals for Adam. He had created everything of this earth before he made and put Adam in the garden. All the animals had their mates. Adam was innocent and knew not of these kinds things. Don’t you think he took notice of how the animals were pairs off and wondered why there was no one for him in the Garden? God knows all and works on his own timeline he made mention of the helpmeet because he was going to do create the woman. However, it would not be until after the naming of all the animals. After the naming was over, God got to work and made woman from the man. They did not know that they were naked so there was no mating between the husband and wife at this time. As I said, Adam was innocent and so was his wife Eve until the fall.

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01:40 AM on 10/23/2011
Moralists and the 'what ifs'. How is it you compare my marriage to *sex with goats* (Why is it always goats, anyway... Even if you're talking to gals) .....and then claim there's something about straight dudes that can't tell me from a goat unless I am coerced into sex with them? :)

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05:55 AM on 10/22/2011
It's still comical how often people belittle another's belief or point of view, while demanding dogmatic adherance to their own. It does an atheist no good to simply say to a Christian, "there is no god", like all of a sudden the Christian will abandon what they firmly hold dear. And if the goslpel is foolishness to those that perish, Christians throwing out verses like they're blogging a tract won't achieve anything either. Quoting biblical texts out of context, which occurs prominently on both sides of the argument, is ignorant and disingenuous.

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12:17 PM on 10/22/2011
You are in error. They say "there is no objective proof of the gods". That is it. That is correct. If there was, people would believe.
 Noone denies that you have a subjective belief in gods. That is your faith.
 I am not an atheist.

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01:06 PM on 10/22/2011
satan believes, in fact he knows, there is a God. He just dont want to serve Him. God delivered the children of Isreal out of Egypt with a mighty hand and those wretches erected a golden calf and paid homage to that! We are surrounded by the mighty workings of an Almighty Being and yet debate the majesty of what our eyes behold. There is no excuse for doubting God's existence!

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02:48 AM on 10/22/2011
I do not get it.
Why reject part of traditional religious views while accepting the rest?  I get that it is easier to used an established religion instead of making one's own, but this just creates bigger issues within a religion.
It is not really logical either.   if part of a religion is wrong, that does not really show that the rest is right.

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05:59 AM on 10/22/2011
It's called the "Buffet Bible", and it's commonplace in American culture. Pick and choose what you like, leave the rest for someone else.

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08:39 AM on 10/22/2011
Re: "It's called the "Buffet Bible" ..."
 Any student of Christian and Jewish history would recognize that both groups have evolved over the centuries, just as the Bible itself evolved. There is nothing wrong with picking and choosing, it is only hypocrisy when one insists on condemning others when they don't follow certain passages, while one ignores other passages in the Bible.

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03:51 PM on 10/22/2011
Excuse me. The Bible was created in that way, too.
 It has a history of buffet and creating something long after the death of Jesus.

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07:37 AM on 10/22/2011
Re: "Why reject part of traditiona­l religious views while accepting the rest?"
 My religion tradition (Lutheran) has been constantly evolving. Christianity began as a Jewish sect, it evolved out of 1st century Judaisms (which evolved from older forms of Judaism in many ways, the synagogue is merely one example). Western Christianity continued to evolve into Catholicism (as Eastern Christianity evolved in a different direction). In the 16th century there was a major break between the old Catholicism and the emerging Protestant movements. But both the old Catholicism and Protestants continued to evolve in different directions from that point. The mainline Protestant Groups (including Lutherans) have continued to evolve.
 Conservative Christian groups like to pretend that their religious beliefs have always been the same, but any student of history knows this is merely an ideological myth with no substance behind it.

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09:40 AM on 10/22/2011
I can see from previous posts that you passionately argue that homosexuality is right, and that you've studied your bible. If you want to believe what you write, that's fine, however, as a Christian, you have a responsibility to tell the truth, in love, which is pretty hard to do at times. It is also true that Jesus accepts us as sinners, if only we will repent, and turn to Christ, regardless of what we've done.
 You and I both know that homosexuality is clearly wrong, as evidenced by numerous scriptures, yet you continue to push your agenda because of your personal choice to be gay, because thats what you want to do.
 If you so desire to live out of God's will, that's your decision, but to lead others astray through perverting what scripture says, might condemn many to a fiery grave that lasts for an eternity. The bible also makes it clear to those who would lead others astray.
 Write what you want, but you know the truth.

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Re: "You and I both know that homosexual­ity is clearly wrong ..."
 That might be half true, but it is also half a lie! There is nothing sinful with homosexuality. Furthermore, this is not merely my thoughts, but the teaching of my Church and the teaching of most (all?) mainline Churches. Furthermore, mainline Protestants have long taught that the Bible contains errors. Carl E. Braaten writes: “Fundamentalist Biblicism is rejected by most theologians and it out of favor in most of the seminaries that train clergy for the parish ministry. They reject Biblicism not merely because historical science and disclosed errors and contradictions in the biblical writings, but rather because the authority of the Bible is elevated at the expense of the authority of Christ and his gospel” (“Christian Dogmatics,” 1984:74-75). My church teaches that the authority of Christ and his gospel is greater than the dead letter of the law. The early Christians taught that we "have a new covenant, not of letter but of spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life" (2 Cor 3:6); and "if you are led by the Spirit, you are not subject to the law" (Gal 5:18). Conservati­ves have rejected being led by the Spirit in favor of the dead letter of scripture.

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11:20 AM on 10/22/2011
So you teach Christ's teachings? How about John 5:46-47?
 "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
(John 5:46-47 ESV)

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11:27 AM on 10/22/2011
And your point is what? Are you suggesting that if one followed Jesus' teachings that one should also follow all of Moses' teachings? Do you ever wear a garment made of two different materials (Leviticus 19:19)? Do you ever do yard work on a Saturday? Moses taught that a person doing yard work on a Saturday should be put to death (Numbers 15:32ff).

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11:35 AM on 10/22/2011
Ah, but don't you see that you set your own trap? Christ specifically addressed working on the Sabbath. The laws that you have referenced are ceremonial laws referring to the nation of Israel as a way to set themselves apart from other nations. Other laws (murder, theft, homosexuality, etc.) aren't in the same catergory.
 I'm not here to try and "ungay" anyone or change anyone's mind. I don't think anyone chooses to be gay. But the mental gymnastics necessary to make the argument that one can be gay and a Christian confound me.

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Re: "Christ specifical­ly addressed working on the Sabbath."
 O yes? Where?

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11:51 AM on 10/22/2011
Thanks for the info, but your staement that "most or all" is simply not the truth. If numbers are what you're after, then "most" would disagree with your assertions, as the number of people in the liberal churches that espouse homosexuality are in the minority.
 Concerning what the new Testament has to say, read 1Corinthians 6:9. "Do not be decieved; neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homoesexual offenders"...
 Further, you claim Galations 5:18 as your evidence that homosexuality is good and just. Didn't you read the next few verses? Galations 5:19-21; "the acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality... (which was named first)
 I understand your goal of bringing gays to Christ, and I'm with you on that one, but to tell them it is ok and acceptable is just not true. Everyone has their own cross to bear, and the truth is what sets us free, not a lie spoken to placate. Every gay should be loved and cared for...and taught the truth.

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12:11 PM on 10/22/2011
Christ and the Sabbath:
 "One Sabbath, when he went to dine at the house of a ruler of the Pharisees, they were watching him carefully. And behold, there was a man before him who had dropsy. And Jesus responded to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?” But they remained silent. Then he took him and healed him and sent him away. And he said to them, “Which of you, having a son or an ox that has fallen into a well on a Sabbath day, will not immediately pull him out?” And they could not reply to these things.
 (Luke 14:1-6 ESV)

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If one looks at the Gospel accounts where Jesus is accused of breaking the Sabbath, it is clear he never stated it was okay to break the Sabbath. First of all, there has always been exceptions to the general Sabbath rules (Luke 14:5). Israeli hospitals might be understaffed on the Sabbath, but they don’t close down completely. Rabbi Mattithiah (2nd century) states: “whenever there is doubt whether life is in danger this overrides the Sabbath” (Yoma 8.6). On the other hand, the strict Rabbis opposed “minor cures” on the Sabbath. In the 1st century, there was debate on this issue, whether “minor cures” was a Sabbath violation or not. Second, while the strict Rabbis classified practicing medicine as work, no Rabbi classified talking as work. None of the Gospel accounts where Jesus is accused of breaking the Sabbath does Jesus put a bandage on a patient or give a person medicine. E. P. Sanders, in his “Jewish Law from Jesus to the Mishnah” (1990) writes: “Talking is not regarded as work in any Jewish tradition, and so no work was performed” (21). The behavior of Jesus on the Sabbath clearly fell well inside the range of behaviors which the Rabbis debated about the Sabbath. But the bottom line, talking is not a Sabbath violation. And nowhere does Jesus claim that it is okay to not follow the Sabbath commandment.

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Christ and the Sabbath (cont.):
 "At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.” He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”
(Matthew 12:1-8 ESV)

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LOL. You've got a bad case of anti-gay bigotry going on there bucko. You've chosen to follow an anti-gay version of your religious tradition. The bible passages in question have nothing whatsoever to do with modern LGBTs in loving, committed, non-exploitative relationships. And you are arrogant to think that your approach to your religion is the only valid one. Many Christians and Jews do not believe that the bible is the infallible word of god. The men who wrote the bible were limited by their time and culture in their understanding of sexual orientation, just as they did not understand the germ theory of disease.
 You presume to know the mind of god. But you are only pretending that you know. You don't. Your overweening self-righteousness gives your religion a bad name.

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When you meet God face to face, you can tell Him what an anti-gay bigot you think I am. He'll say you should have listened. My real and only concern is that you enter heaven having trusted in the name of Jesus, Son of the One true and living God.
 There is a real and explicit difference between "germ theory" and homosexuality in the scripture. As far I can tell, Jesus wasn't concerned with germ theory, only people's hard hearts. I don't write this to criticize or condemn, as no one is perfect, but I do write so that you know what God says in His word.

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LOL! You're trapped in your own narcissistic thought bubble--imagining you know the mind of god. You keep making claims to know things you don't know--which of course reveals your foolishness.
 When you meetgod and find that he/she is bisexual and you learn thatthe biblical passages were targeting idolatrous, exploitative sexual practices and reflect the lmitations of theunderstanding of the Jews of that time period, he/she will say you should not have had such asmall mind and such ahard and closed heart.
 Or, when you meet god and you find outyou chose the wrong religion and that you should have followed the prophethood of Muhammed insteadof falsely believing that Jesus was the son of god, here's what might be in store for you:
 Quran (22:19-21) - But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads; Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron
 Quran (4:56) - Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise
 I say this only sothat you know that you are a foolish person living witha false sense of certainty. You have deluded yourself into thinking that you know what, in fact, you really don't know.

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Re: "You and I both know that homosexual­ity is clearly wrong, as evidenced by numerous scriptures­, yet you continue to push your agenda because of your personal choice to be gay ..."
 LOL! First of all, you are patronizing. That is rude and disrespectful. Second, I don't happen to be gay. And I've been married to my lovely wife for over 30 years. And third, most of those in mainline Protestant Churches, who support the ordination of those in same-sex marriage, as well as supporting Gay Marriage, are heterosexuals. While we teach that homosexuality is not a sin, most of us are not ourselves homosexual.

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That is what all of the Christian sects are about. They take some and not all. They read a KJB as literal or just as prose and general interest. There are thousands of sects of Christianity and of Gnosticism. This is the history of the religion or religions.

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Have you ever noticed, that in the bible, letters are addressed to certain groups of people ? Not every law applies to everyone in every instance. The Apostle Paul and the Apostle Peter had a dispute over law. Jesus had disputes with the Pharisees over their understanding of the law.
 The Bible is not a giant book of law. It must be understood with a historical-grammatical interpretation. What, when, who ?
 Laws pertaining to Levitical priests do not equally apply to everybody.

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Reflecting and shaping the culture in which it is embedded, religion has historically been hostile to LGBT-identified people and communities. However, over the last three decades more denominations, congregations and individuals have come out in support of honoring the full humanity of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered people. Today, hundreds, if not thousands, of religious communities are truly places of celebration, healing and hope for all people.
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I am an atheist and could not care less about other peoples sexual lives. I think that it is mean and nosy in a vulgar way to be homophobic. But my problem with these guys is why is it that the Bible thumpers always bring in homophobia and never mention greed?!
 I found these quotes that I think are eloquent:
 Mathew 19:21: "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
 Or Mathew 6:19: "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal."
 Or Luke: 12:33: "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys."
 Or Corinthians 6:9-11: "Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, arsenokoites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers, none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. And this is what some of you used to be. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
 Mmmhhh. All this talk about not paying taxes...

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Do you find it poetically ironic that you quoted a verse condemning homosexuals in your diatribe?

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Not really. It wasn't on the list. However, you may put homosexuality in a different bucket of sin and consider it so.

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Corinthians refers to "arsenokoit­es".

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That Greek word does not refer to homosexuality or homosexual sexacts. Please learn the linguistic history of the word and also how it was used first by Paul (decades after the death of Jesus).
 It is important to learn a little about the topic.

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Why do LGBT people want to belong to religions (Judaism, Islam, Christianity) whose holy texts condemn homosexuality and whose institutions have traditionally punished homosexcuality, even with the death? Why don't they just reject those religions? I mean, you can theorize as much as you want, contextualize the text, and explore languages and translations, but from statements such as "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22) or "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13), you will always have trouble to get a positive statement on homosexuality! Why do LGBT people don just say, thanks but no thanks to religions. Do it and lead the way!

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I fully agree.

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I believe it boils down to the desire to be a part of a group.  "Gay" has become a club (largely based around a homogeneous "culture"), but it does not give one any real meaning.  It justifies the individual, but not much more.
So people desire to help "religion" as it answers the questions of why we are here (no reason), what is the meaning of life (again, nothing), and why we should be good (no objective reason; arguments of mutual benefit are somewhat valid).  Yeah, these groups may be based on texts that say certain actions are "wrong", but "we" (not me and you, but society; I no in the group)  can always find a group that ignores those parts and claims that it actually means that "god" is all cools with us.

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Leviticus is the most hateful book in the Old Testament (Bible). So many horrible actions are in and supported by the religion. This is before Jesus, fundamentalist Christians do quote this book quite a bit. It is a book that shows a very mean, violent and disfunctional primate god. Not cool at all.

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In this video, I see a man that is making a plea for an earthly relationship by which he is to be judged as wrong, just as those whom do evil to him or the like-minded, by the same God of justice. However, for those who think that telling God’s truth in love is evil or an attack, are wrong. It is what it is for all of us. Here what Jesus told his enemies who tried too trip him up on His Kingdom to come.
 Matthew 22: 25- 32 King James Version
 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased , and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

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08:21 PM on 10/21/2011
It is shameful when religious leaders proudly advocate sin and immorality as part of their spiritual outreach program. It is a tragedy when people look up to those who show such blatant disregard for his laws and yet claim to be christian. Whilst the bible does not condone discrimination it's position on homosexuality is clear..it is an abomination.

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09:04 PM on 10/21/2011
It is shameful when you proudly advocate homophobic bigotry. Homosexuality is no more a sin than eating non-kosher, both of which were clearly condemned in the Bible.

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01:25 AM on 10/22/2011
So you admit is a "sin" in the view of the religion, but do not condemn those who try to utilize those religions to create new teachings to affirm their own views?
This is about feeling good.  "God" loves everyone.  Even people who do things that "god" does not like or did not mention specifically.

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11:22 AM on 10/22/2011
You know this argument is weak. Following your logic then murder is simply non-kosher as well.

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11:58 PM on 10/21/2011
Relax. God does not exist and sins are inventions of maladjusted minds.

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04:54 PM on 10/22/2011
What is your reference point for morality ? Do you define good and evil ? Can your definition of good, be someone else's definition of evil ? I may believe murder is good, but you may think it is evil. If I applied my equally valid view to end your life, your construct would be voided out by mine.
 This is all untrue though. Man has a certain knowledge of the truth written on their heart. This is why most people know stealing, telling lies, and murder are wrong.
 But, that truth is suppressed in unrighteousness. People say God does not exist. But, it's obvious to me that a certain law is natural to man revealed in the creation.

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07:50 PM on 10/21/2011
I'm so thankful to have had a Pastor & mentor like Bishop Yvette Flunder- she has a big heart, she's smart, she love's her people and she loves GOD!- Min.MYCHAELTODD

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03:06 PM on 10/21/2011
"Reflecting and shaping the culture in which it is embedded, religion has historically been hostile to LGBT-identified people and communities."
 No, not all religions have had that problem. Hard as that may be to imagine to some people who are familiar primarily with Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

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01:01 PM on 10/21/2011
74% of American Catholics support legal recognition of same-sex unions (43% for marriage, 31% for civil unions). 44% young evangelicals support same-sex marraige. Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative Jews celebrate same-sex unions and ordain openly gay rabbis. They have come to the sensible conclusion that the Levitican prohibitions were targeting idolatrous practices of temple-prostitution or pederasty or else do not reflect a complete understanding of human sexuality. In either case, they have concluded it is unjust to apply them to modern LGBTs in loving, committed, non-exploitative religions.
 The Judaeo-Christian tradition is transforming itself, from the bottom-up. As science establishes the fact that homosexuality is normal and natural, that same-sex couples raise children that are just as healthy as straight couples, that same-sex couples profit from the stability that marriages and cvil unions confer, is it surprising that large numbers of Christians and Jews are seeing that it is the old anti-gay versions which seek to exclude LGBTs or impose unjust and discriminatory restrictions on their behavior that are, in fact, the false teachings and the false doctrines--false teachings which the ears of the anti-gay bigots and authoritarians still itch to hear?

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01:28 AM on 10/22/2011
The Judaeo-Christian tradition is transforming itself, from the bottom-up. As science establishes the fact that homosexuality is normal and natural
 Normal?  No.  Normal is what is expected.   Suicide is not normal, for example, but it is natural.  Note that normal is not a value judgment.   It is just an observation of what is common in occurrence.
what does natural have to do with anything?  Clothes are unnatural.  So is agriculture and animal husbandry.  And computers.
Religion is about morality.  Morality has nothing to do with "natural."  It is "natural" to have lots of sexual partners over the life of an individual ("serial monogamy"), but religion does not claim that is "good."

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09:32 AM on 10/22/2011
I'm guessing this what brought up as many opponents of that lifestyle tout it as "unnatural" and therefore against the will of God (since he created nature and all).

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01:20 PM on 10/22/2011
Catholics dont adhere to the bible teachings ie. calling Pope father, lighting candles for the dead, pergatory, doing pennance for sins changing the sabbath from sat to sun, praying to idols and other humans... need I go on?

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02:05 PM on 10/22/2011
Worshiping the bible as you seem to do is not the only way. The bible was written by men for men to control men and reflects the limited understanding of people of that time. Need I go on?

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02:23 PM on 10/22/2011
I worship the true and living God. The scriptures are His word sent so that we could know Him. People of that time created the pyramids. Aint a building today show a more comprehensive understanding. Say what?

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03:45 PM on 10/22/2011
LOL! You need to throw that bible of yours away. It's thoroughly confused you. You no more know that you are worshiping the true and living god than does a Muslim or a Hindu. And your approach of worshipping the bible has no more intrinsic merit than those Christians who see the bible as the work of fallible humans through which the spirit of god can nonetheless be discerned. You"ve just chosen the anti-gay version of Christianity to justify your own anti-gay bigotry and make yourself feel better. You arrogantly pretend that you know the mind of god. Others use the bible in a different way.
 No ancient Egyptian architect could build the Petronas Towers. But modern architects could build a pyramid. Egyptians had a limited understand of architectural possibilities, techniques and materials.
 The average Egyptian lifespan was 33 for men and 29 for women. Looks like they didn't have it all figured out on the medical front either.
 People back then were limited--as was their understanding of sexual orientation and gender identity.
 Fortunately Judaism and Christianity are evolving to become LGBT inclusive and LGBT affirming.

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03:58 PM on 10/22/2011
What is to understand? God in His word said it is unseemly behavior that ought not to be. He created man. How you gonna tell Him he dont know what He is talking about?

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06:03 PM on 10/22/2011
You already have. But you and your fear of 'idols.' Catholics say 'Pagans do that,' Protestants say 'Catholics do that, ' ...since when or Protestants authorities on what Pagans do, never mind what Catholics say the difference is, when they pretty much make the same ignorant accusations ...None of which seem to be premised on more than the idea that someone else doesn't know how to pray even in proximity to some kind of statue or something? (Of course, then, some Muslims will say that Protestants use too many images...) :) On and on.
 Then on through maybe various branches of Buddhism saying, 'That's all illusion, too,' on to Zen saying *whack* It really isn't not-illusion! Then atheists being, 'No it's not,' then we're back to animists and the like being, 'You know it's all alive, anyway, ' then we're back to Pagans being like, 'And now we're going to keeping this grove, maybe carve something in it.
 You're just part of this whole grand cycle of people trying to have a spiritual life in a world with ...stuff in it. :)

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06:16 PM on 10/22/2011
WTH?

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