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62 apostates mark JWsurvey Day 2015 with a message of love for Jehovah’s Witnesses
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Posted on October 4, 2015

62 apostates have joined forces to reach out to Jehovah's Witnesses
62 apostates have joined forces to reach out to Jehovah’s Witnesses

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, you will have to be satisfied with remembering October 4th 2015 as the day congregations worldwide were informed of the scrapping of the Theocratic Ministry School – over a week after the news was leaked in advance by a Bethel source.
But if you are a former Jehovah’s Witness, or an “apostate,” you can take pride in thinking of October 4th 2015 as the day when more ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses than have ever before appeared in a single video with a message of love and concern for those still trapped inside the Watchtower organization.
Organized to commemorate the anniversary of this website’s launch on October 4th 2011, the short montage film represents the joint efforts of 62 “apostates” from far-flung corners of the globe. Rather than trying to condemn Jehovah’s Witnesses, the video sets out to debunk the damning stereotypes of apostates as disseminated in Watchtower publications.
Instead of appearing as foaming-at-the-mouth mentally diseased vagrants, the apostates in the video are calm, rational people who have walked away from a religion that causes far more harm than good, and is ultimately untrue.
It is hoped that the video, with its intriguing title, will reach out to as many Jehovah’s Witnesses on YouTube as possible, and get them to rethink their position regarding doing objective research into their cherished beliefs.


[Please note: Due to a music rights issue, the video does not play on all handheld devices.]
JWsurvey Day was first announced at the end of August, and the collaborative video was given the working title of “What you DON’T know about apostates.” A Facebook group was set up, and the script was made available online for people to choose which lines they wanted to speak.
However, as more and more people signed up for an ever-diminishing number of parts in the video, it became clear that something special was happening. The sheer number of people who wanted to share in delivering the video’s message was an event in itself.
Last night, as the deadline for the video drew close, I stayed up until 4 am making last-minute edits. Over 4 gigabytes of video submissions had to be sorted and whittled down to a final 15-minute short film. As the video took on its own personality I noticed a change was needed. The original title would be scrapped in favor of “62 Apostates Who Love Jehovah’s Witnesses.” (There are actually more than 62 apostates appearing in the film, but because I would rather downplay the figure than exaggerate, I have counted only those who speak in the final edit.)
I sincerely hope that we can do the video justice by making sure it is shared as widely as possible. It’s wonderful to see the enthusiastic response already on Facebook and Twitter from ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses who are enjoying seeing their own thoughts about Watchtower verbalized by such a wide array of people.
Special mention must also be made of all those who have worked in translating the subtitles for the video. Presently there are 8 languages available, but a further 9 are in the pipeline. Michel Mix (pictured below), a member of the JWsurvey Day group, has done a fantastic job of coordinating the translation project from his base in Colombia.
Oftentimes when I do activism work on my own (for example, a large JW Broadcasting rebuttal), I can find the process genuinely tiring – and even mildly frustrating. But when I am working with so many sincere people, I feel the burden lifted. Activism becomes the unbridled joy it should be. I am working with like-minded individuals who share my passion towards an important goal, which is one of the best feelings you can have in life.
A tribute to JWsurvey
When I first set up JWsurvey, it did feel like “my website” – and I still catch myself speaking in those terms occasionally. But as I look back on the work that has been done and the huge potential for making a difference moving forward, I find those ideas are shifting. JWsurvey is becoming more of a legacy.
In the most recent 2015 survey, one of the questions asks which resources have been most instrumental in the person’s awakening from Watchtower indoctrination. The answers as of October 4, 2015 are as follows…
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In total, 1,218 have so far credited this website as either very or extremely influential in their awakening. This figure, and the figures for other similar websites, are simply astonishing. It is a sobering reminder of just how much work the internet is doing in chipping away at Watchtower’s stranglehold on people’s minds.
It also means the role of this website is more important than any one single person, which is why I have been gradually expanding our team of writers and illustrators over the past year or so. My eventual aim is to leave JWsurvey in the capable hands of the next generation of activists, to hopefully continue on long after the bulk of my work is finished.
In the meantime, there is still much work to do – work that is made far more enjoyable when I allow myself pause to reflect on what has been accomplished. In that spirit, I hope you will join me in celebrating today, October 4th, as “JWsurvey Day.” And I leave you with some short messages that have been sent in by our readers…
Please note, I haven’t been able to publish all the comments as some are too long, but I will try to find a way of somehow adding some to this article either as links to Word documents or as comments.
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[Anonymous]
Put simply, JWsurvey enabled me to fully wake up. As an elders daughter who had pioneered – I faded from the organisation aged 21. I wanted to think for myself; I started to have an awareness that my thoughts were being controlled. This was not easy; I left behind my whole community to embark on a journey to educate myself and build a new support network.
Now aged 30, it has only been in the last 18 months that I have been fully awoken and free from JW indoctrination, thank you to JWsurvey and the John Cedars YouTube channel. This intelligent, insightful, educational, humorous and honest website, truly helped me to understand the facts as to why I had left. For this I will be eternally grateful. In the past two years I have been able to live a normal happy life, without any guilt, fear or regret – this is priceless. In addition to this, my child had been born free. One of the greatest gifts I could give him.
Please keep up the good work! You do an amazing job.
Thank you once again.
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Michel Mix
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My name is Michel Mix. I grew up in the truth and got baptized when I was 14 years old. After finishing high school I was advised to go to university. Instead I started a part-time distance education course (which I quit when I married a fellow Jehovah’s Witness), went pioneering and became a ministerial servant.
I always loved studying to Bible, but find out that many teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses were un-Biblical and merely human interpretations. It that didn’t bother me too much though, I still thought it was the ‘truth’.
When after many years my marriage broke up, I lost all my faith: I’d dedicated many years of my life to a God who didn’t support me at all. I got into a new relationship and the Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped me from the congregation. My former friends and even family members won’t talk to me anymore. That hurts. A lot.
Sites like JWsurvey.org helped me to realize the truth about the ‘truth’: Jehovah’s Witnesses are not just a religion like all the others. They are WORSE. The indoctrination is overwhelming and there are a lot of victims. All my doubts about teachings that I had in the past, were confirmed. And I found out that many members don’t agree with the teachings, but cannot leave for social reasons.
For me leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses was the best thing I ever did. I’m happy and free! I remarried, moved from The Netherlands to Colombia, enrolled in university and we are expecting a baby. I’ve lost 20 years of my life, but the future is still bright and shining!
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Yvette Rucker
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I became a witness in my early 20s. The promise of a paradise earth where there is peace and unity among all mankind especially between a husband and wife appealed to me.  I wanted this kind of world for my children. I studied and became a witness hoping and praying my husband would too and he did,  but it did not make my marriage better it only made it worse.  My husband believing that I now was scripturally bound to obey gave him total control and he was even more abusive. There came a day when I realize that if I stayed with him he would kill me and our children so I made the decision to leave and I did.
Of course, I was no longer good association because I separated from my husband and eventually divorced him to protect myself and the children.  Being a single mother was hard I had to work 2 jobs to support us but at least we did not have to live in constant fear.  The congregation had little to do with me so I received no help from them I was completely on my own  I missed so many meetings trying to work and take care of my children. 
My older daughter introduced me to your website because she no longer believed it was the truth, because of the way we were treated.  She pointed out scriptures that showed that her dad was not the loving Christian husband he should have been and that the elders were told and sympathized with him cutting me off from a faith I believed in wholeheartedly all those years.
I did read JWsurvey and all the links as well. JWsurvey helped me loose the fear and guilt that comes with leaving what you come to believe is Gods organization. I have been able to heal and i am still healing.   Thank you so much for the real truth about the Watchtower organization
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Julia Douglas
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I remember when JWSurvey was just an idea and Lloyd was only known by his pseudonym and had yet to officially break ties with the Watchtower. I had already been disfellowshipped and was using my true identity on Facebook, but that’s not to say I was truly free of the brainwashing and programming. I struggled for a long time… and reading the articles on JWSurvey proved to be a regular source of fact-based, reliable information that I have come to rely on.
It’s always exciting when there is a leak, but more importantly, JWSurvey has been a comfort to the demons plaguing my mind. Lloyd has a remarkable ability to quickly read, digest, comprehend and effectively refute Watchtower propaganda, time and time again. Sensationalism would only detract from the well-reasoned information that JWSurvey presents, and Lloyd does not take short cuts. For all of these reasons, I would say JWSurvey is one of the go to websites that I regularly refer people to, and I hope that Lloyd and his team will continue to maintain the high standards of quality in the days ahead.
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Patricia Burford
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 I am a former JW, I left the organization when I was 17. Recently I accepted a bible study from a JW, I was having feelings of disconnect from religion. I thought since I had left the organization at such a young age, maybe I just needed to reintroduce myself and see if I had made a mistake all those years ago because of rebellion and my youth. 

In the few weeks of my study, some issues from my past started surfacing. I had to deal with issues I had pushed back all those years ago. I had a ministerial father who was very abusive and a pioneer mother who had no clue. I went to a congregation where the elders knew what was taking place yet took no action.

I began to wonder why these things were coming to the surface 35 years later. I truly believe that in stages of our life we are led to face our past in order to grow and move forward. This got me to thinking about other JW’s, there had to be others that felt the same as I did and had similar experiences.

So I started to google, and JWsurvey popped up, I dived right in. I spent the whole day reading and watching the video’s. I found answers to questions I have had for years in just those few hours. I learned more about the JW’s and the organization that day, than I had being raised a JW for 17 years. John Cedars (Lloyd) has been there and experienced the same as we have.  He has proof and he backs up everything that he brings to the table. JWsurvey shows what this cult is all about and the information shared is to save us..

I am so grateful for all the work you do.

(Regarding the picture, I am the older gal… This is my daughter and I…)
 


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Susannah
I left the witnesses aged 27. I am now 60. I have had a good life. I got an education, met some wonderful people and made a new life. I buried my feelings about family and friends. Around the time or just after my JW sister died in 2012, I discovered JWsurvey. I could not believe what I was reading. Lloyd not only understood but wrote about his experience, intelligently, passionately and with a brave honesty. I remember watching him in his car the night he went for his JC. I cried when his father wrote to him, cutting him off. Watching, reading and listening was like being given permission to breath and to speak. JWsurvey has helped me heal when I did not even realise I needed to heal. It has helped me recognise the folly of the beliefs. It let me get in contact with my anger, my sadness, it let me cry and then forgive. This is a cult that has held my family in fear and still does. The fact that JWsurvey exists may mean the next generation will be free. For that I am grateful.


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Uwe Schoning
I da/df myself in 2003 … but defended the JWs and their policies a long time. Somehow in 2011 this stopped. A year later I knew I had to work up my past and I was searching for people with the same thoughts… that something in the organization was not right!
I found a German forum of escapists but felt like I would never fit in… and then I found JWSurvey.org and the kind words on this page showed me, that the author was indeed empathic and would exactly know what I was thinking. His objective arguments and the information he provided confirmed me… I had not left the truth… I left a dangerous cult. And his non-agressive activism showed me, that it is not a bad thing to be an apostate…
JWSurvey helped me to understand, that the truth about the “truth“ is a story about deluded old men, who think their claim to lead is based on a story Jesus told.
JWSurvey showed me, that apostates do indeed care for the people still caught in the organization… and are indeed good people.
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Mika
Mika July 2015 40th BDay
My name is Mika from Michigan in the United States. I couldn’t pass up this opportunity to voice how helpful JWSurvey was to me when I found the courage to turn in my letter of disassociation from Watchtower/JW. Although I saw a different activist account and website first, JWSurvey/John Cedars YouTube channel and website were by far the most helpful to me.
Visiting JWSurvey helped me get an idea of what to expect beforehand from the shunning that was sure to and did follow my exit from the religion, I also found needed encouragement and support from the articles and community of posters. I have always favored the honest, logical, balanced approach and visitor feedback your website & YouTube channel affords which made it enjoyable to view/visit.
One thing it helped I’m sure many visitors realize, is the choice we had all along to free, happy lives without instilled fear through cult doctrine. JWSurvey isn’t extremist nor does it promote fairy tales, it simply states the facts and sets an example in speaking up against the harmful effects of cults in an empathetic way that many could relate to.
JWSurvey gave me much courage and support while helping me realize freedom and peace of mind were already mine, I only need reclaim it from the undue influence of the cult that influenced me to believe otherwise. JWSurvey educated me on effective ways I could help others. I know it would have been more challenging for me had I not came across your activism efforts, but I am beyond grateful that I did.I don’t want to sound overly dramatic here, but it is true when I sum it up in one sentence, JWSurvey helped me reclaim long-overdue emotional freedom and joy in my life.
THANK YOU!
 
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Further reading…
◾Hemant Mehta’s “Friendly Atheist” article on the 62 Apostates video
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 Catalina says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:09 pm
 
These are beautiful people. This article brightens my day. The people in this article say things I want to say. You guys explain it all. This is the best article I’ve read so far because it is so moving, meaningful and helpful. I feel very comfortable asking people to read this article. It’s honest and explains the reality of what we go through. That’s awesome.
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 JohnBoy says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:16 pm
 
With no hatin’ Article explains it all. Its really helpful.
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 Amanda Allan-Blair says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:26 pm
 
Very proud to have been a part of this wonderful project. The video was beautifully edited, and the message came through perfectly. It was delivered with strength, warmth, and genuine concern. Thanks again to Lloyd for all the hard work, and for caring enough to do what you do for Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Everyone involved is awesome for reaching out, and coming together as one voice. Activism *is* teamwork, as Lloyd says. Here’s hoping more continue to wake up, and break free!
-AAB-
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 Catalina says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:33 pm
 
I also want to add Susannah said some things that I’m now going through. She said, “I did not even realise I needed to heal. It has helped me recognise the folly of the beliefs. It let me get in contact with my anger, my sadness, it let me cry and then forgive. This is a cult that has held my family in fear and still does.” I relate to her. John Cedars did good.
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 Susannah says:

 October 5, 2015 at 3:01 am
 
Happy, my comments resonated. I hope we all heal. I feel it is possible now. I even think my family could come out. Why not? We did!
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 JohnBoy says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:42 pm
 
Thank you Amanda-Allan-Blair and everyone else apart of this project.
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:43 pm
 
Annnnd now I’m sitting here crying. Well, that was absolutely beautiful. Thank you very much Lloyd, and all others who shared in the making of that video, and the making and sustaining of this site and other “apostate” sites that bring real truth to those who are starving for it. May you ALL be around MUCH longer than the Org itself.
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 Catalina says:

 October 4, 2015 at 2:47 pm
 
I agree with JohnBoy, Thank you, you guys. It’s an awesome video.
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 David says:

 October 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm
 
I think it would be a nice idea to organise groups or meet ups in different countries. One of the worst things that an ex JW face when leaving the cult is the loss of the social network and it is truly devastating. But if you meet regularly with people that are in the same situation it can be encouraging. It is beneficial for the ex and for the people thinking to leave the cult in the future.
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 Tara says:

 October 4, 2015 at 6:14 pm
 
I agree David. I am so alone but I am still so afraid. ‘It’s irrational’, as people who do not understand the fear and control, would say. Being a witness trying to escape is like coming of a drug. It’s like going ‘cold turkey’ without a support network.
I would love to find others who could support me as I would like to support them. But how? Giving names out could be opening the door to the WT police. How do we find each other? Even the fb pages under an assumed name is dangerous…. It’s a form of paranoia.
The fear is real. The looking over your shoulder when you talk to your df’d kids is real…. irrational, but real.
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 Awake! says:

 October 4, 2015 at 10:54 pm
 
It’s what the “Witlesses” call “leading a double life”. You don’t HAVE to interact with ex-JWs if that’s not a viable option. There are 8 Billion individuals on this Big Blue Ball. Make NEW friends! Anywhere and everywhere!! Starbucks? McDonalds? The local pub? The mall? Clubs? The Gym? Night classes in…basket-weaving? Take up a new hobby or sport. Get out there, on the sly. Lie if you have to. LIE, LIE, LIE. PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY!!! Cover your tracks. Remember, your business is YOUR business. To coin an old phrase, “Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.” And that’s how you build a NEW support network!!! Get out there. Don’t be shy. Use your imagination and you can work wonders. If you’re a friend, people will want to be your friend. I’m sure you have a lot to offer. Believe in yourself. Be CONFIDENT!!!
 Remember, you have been conditioned to feel insecure! It reminds me of something I once read, perhaps on this site, about how circus elephants are conditioned. As babies, their leg is tied to a stake by a metal chain. When they get used to the idea that they “cannot” break free, the chain is replaced by an ordinary rope. Even as an adult, the elephant never bothers trying to break free, even though it could easily do so.
 But you’re a lot smarter than an elephant.
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 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 1:58 am
 
@Awake! Excellent Comment….Take a LEAF out of the GB Handbook…IT IS NOT LYING…ITS !… That JOLLY OLD TERM.. THEOCRATIC WARFARE!!
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:06 am
 
So many EXCELLENT COMMENTS!
@Awake! – In my position, I call it being a “double agent.” I am a secret agent on a mission. This mission involves the lives and sanity of 8 million people!
I used to have a hobby which required much time and money but shortly after I woke up about 2 years ago, I decided my bothers and sister need ME! So I gave up my hobby. This is far more important.
My advice to any who are thinking of breaking free, do it slowly. Like Awake! said, drift. Make new friends. Go ahead and yes, “lead a double life” if you have to. One of the first things I did when I broke free from the Borg was make a bucket list of thing I ALWAYS WANTED TO DO. And let me tell you ***** IT WAS THE MOST EXHILARATING EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE *****
A few of the things I just had to do:
-I called up my disfellowshipped family and friends that I actively, naively, stupidly, ignorantly SHUNNED for YEARS and I begged for their forgiveness. My own sister. God damn….. I’m starting to tear up thinking about this. I called her up and poured my heart out to her. It was earth moving, to see her and my nephew and nieces after all those years. I need to stop here about this but…. just do IT. Everyone I contacted openly embraced me and forgave me. I was humbled. Truly, THAT WAS LOVE. Shunning was something I could no longer live with. At the time when I contacted them all, I was planning to make my resignation from this cult public so I didn’t care about the consequences of my actions. But amazingly, nobody ratted me out and I’ve been 2 years an active apostate while remaining an “active” JW.
-I registered to vote. After seeing the biggest traitor in the history of the United States get elected TWICE, I decided to do something I have always wanted to do! I contemplated becoming a Super Delegate but that would put me in the public light. Anyways, I can’t wait for next year’s elections!
-I bought an American flag. Yeah, I’ve always been super patriotic (secretly of course :) ) but I’ve never been able to do anything about it. Now Old Glory hangs in my office with pride. When I went with my colleagues to a *baseball* game, I sang the national anthem like nobody’s business. And it felt great!
-I bought lottery tickets. I didn’t win anything but the sheer act of doing it was great. I know it sounds stupid but if I won the megaball, I’d tell everyone to go to hell.
-I smoked an Arturo Fuente cigar which according to my colleagues is one of the best you can buy. Along the way, I’ve smoked everything imaginable, just once.
-I celebrated my birthday. I never told my colleagues at my new job that I was a witness, despite being under control of the Borg at the time, since my last experience of telling everyone I was a JW led to the loss of most of my office friends and subsequent dislike for my job. So they threw me a birthday bash. It was awesome! I’m not looking forward to showing them the same level of reciprocity! LOL :)
-The other biggies you’ll have to use your imagination for. Just know, I completed my bucket list in less than a month and repeated the process many, many times. The level of euphoria I experienced was what I could only describe as going to heaven.
And all of this, while still remaining “active” and keeping all of my friends and family. I’ve managed to also keep my MS status by using the “health issue” excuse so I don’t have to do much at all. I have a feeling though they will be asking me to reconsider since I am relatively young and indeed a very healthy and fit specimen. One of the elders has been giving me the stink eye recently because I’ve recently turned down most assignments. And he always hated me. He can kiss my apostate ass.
But I have been through the whole process of breaking free. It is amazing. That is all I can say.
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 Ready 4 to Fade says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:24 am
 
I agree, fellow ex-JW’s can only do so much to help. You have to become self-actualized in order to grow. Check out human theorist Robert Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, and see where you are at personally. (It’s not as hokey as it sounds, I promise). I agree with Awake, some day there may be no JW’s, which would mean calling yourself an ex-JW pointless. Didn’t John Lennon say something about just joining the human race, we all shine on…..yada yada.
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 David says:

 October 5, 2015 at 2:53 am
 
Breaking from the cult is the first step. But we also need to get rid of the cult mentality as well.
Years of indoctrination has created a distorted view of reality.
We are just people that not feel confortable investing our lives in spreading lies invented by 7 deluded/crazy guys.
I am personaly a Christian and live a normal life.
We are not apostate or evil. After all if the same rule apply all JWs are apostates, because the majority has left the previous religion.
But wordly people can show tollerance, can give them space to build their properties.
But the JWs who should be an example of Christ love can show the highest example of cruelty by using families and friends as a weapon.
Their behaviour reminds me the mafia families which try to obtain what they want by treathing the well being of family members.
It am truly shocked how heartless and brutal the JWs can be.
Therefore if we organise gatherings to encourage each other is perfectly normal. You do not need to hide or feel guilty.
We love truth and honesty and we have decided to leave a lie spreading cult paying a huge price.
This is something to be proud of not ashemed of.
The JWs should feel ashamed, they read the Bible everyday but like the Pharisees are cabable ot cruel acts and fail to understand that they part of a commercialised cult.
They want people to be like a Big Mac, all the same. You can think differently and still love God and be a honest person.
For the JWs they key to be a good person is to worship 7 men that have cleverly created a ficticious position to controll and dominate people through brain washing.
I think as formet cult members we have a moral duty of spreading the message. We are not against religion or the Bible, we want that people have the right to make a personal decision without being punished and treated with intollerance.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:30 am
 
JW’s can be the most judgmental, capricious, sanctimonious frauds of ALL religions on earth today. And that says a lot!
I know, sadly, because I was one of those myself- always judging this one and that one for the least infinitesimal “offenses” like coming to the meeting late, handing in your service time late, not reporting AT LEAST the average amount of hours (9.whatever hours), failing to shave before a meeting, chewing gum at the meeting, sending a text message at the meeting, wearing a tie that is too colorful, wearing socks that are too colorful, not giving a comment at the meeting, skipping a meeting, the list is endless….
And look at all of these “infractions” of MEN! Did not Jesus warn about this?!?!?!?!
Yet, while a Borg, you don’t even notice that you are a self-righteous prick. Until you finally break free!
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 Jill says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:18 am
 
Hi Tara,
 Find us over at Ex-JW Recovery Group 3: https://www.facebook.com/groups/xjwrg3/.
You are so far from being alone, as this group shows everyday. You might want to follow or join under an alias since the group is open. I wish you peace. ~Jill
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 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 1:22 pm
 
thanks Jill. I will have to make up an alias. Been meaning to do it but still worried as a witness looks after my computer needs when I crash it…. I do that a lot. not very computer savvy lol.
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 Arlis Scott says:

 October 4, 2015 at 4:15 pm
 
I’ve loved coming to this site to see what the latest news is regarding JW’s. Lots of great information, and ideas to think about. Breaking away from being a Jehovah’s Witness is one of the hardest things to do, especially if you were raised as one. You don’t even realize how you reason things out at times. When I left, I left because I never believed it anymore. I was disfellowshipped because I was living in sin, but never thought of it in that manner. Being yourself and making a choice is not a sin. Nor is believing in lies! I still know people who are inactive, but still believe, and I’m hoping that sites like this can make them make sense of what Jehovah Witnesses organization really is. A scam and cult at it’s worst! Many thanks to Lloyd and everyone who works at JW Survey! Plus all the apostates from around the world. Your voices do make a difference.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 5, 2015 at 11:50 am
 
Well said! You are not “living in sin;” you are simply living!
I too was raised a JW. That caused so much harm to my childhood. That’s all I can say for now about that.
For me, you can say I’ve been “living in sin” for 2 years. My friend at Bethel, 7+ years. I’d say his “sins” are far worse than mine and he is in good standing to this day. His friends also for several years. Others I know have been “living in sin” for many years although not apostate like myself. I now consider myself a Super Apostate. I’m so determined to see the collapse of this cult, you have no idea.
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 pearlsB4swine says:

 October 4, 2015 at 4:22 pm
 
Thoroughly enjoyed this informative and well balanced vid.
 Congratulations on a job well done, thanks and hugs to all involved.
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 anonymous says:

 October 4, 2015 at 4:23 pm
 
I loved the video and the article and jwsurvey has been the most helpful for me in dealing with the loneliness that I am feeling in my situation after a marking talk was given to me a few months ago. Thank you so much to all of those who contributed to making it. It warms my heart so much.
The Watchtower has the ability to bewitch and control the minds and emotions and consciences of eight million people. They are deceptive and give the impression of holiness but we were able to see through the deception but when we are the only one out of a whole congregation or circuit who sees the wickedness of the Organization, we are made to stand alone and are supposed to “get over it” while everyone else at the Hall or circuit is led to believe that the Society is saintly, while we are “crazy”. The depth of our despair and loneliness can be almost unbearable but this site is the one place that we can go to that we feel not alone anymore. It has literally saved our lives.
The skill of the Watchtower leaders at controlling eight million people is amazingly good. We were taken in by them but we finally woke up to the lies and we need to be thankful to all those who go through the work to expose the lies and cover-ups like Lloyd has done with this web site and his videos.
We need to be happy that our eyes were finally opened up to the kind of people we are dealing with when so many other people are still being duped into wasting their one and only precious life away working for an organization that cares absolutely nothing about them.
The Watchtower promised a paradise earth and that was the lure that they used and it worked good on us. We put off our lives in the here and now for the “future” life in the paradise earth but now that our eyes have been opened to the lies, we can start to live our lives now and enjoy our life finally without all the guilt.
At the end of the day, we are the winners. We are making a stand against our abusers. We are the ones who are strong and who finally have our own identity. We are the ones who are free.
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 Jill says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:25 am
 
This right here.
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 Meredith J says:

 October 4, 2015 at 5:21 pm
 
I take my hat off to anyone who is able to stand up to the Watchtower. This is a very sweet video which hopefully should dispel any ridiculous ideas JW’s have about ‘apostates’.
Ones like John Cedars have the guts to tell it like it is and at the same time, allowing us to do the same thing by means of this website. Congrats for your anniversary. JWSurvey has been a real success.
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 Dawn Hughes says:

 October 4, 2015 at 6:05 pm
 
You all really hit the nail on the head with this one. I was 4 th gen witness and a pioneer. I was luck enough to find a husband who was a grandson of a former witness who escaped his sisters husbands persecution when his parents died. God bless you all for your support. You have given us both a second lease on life. Hugs and kisses Cedars to you and your family!
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 Tara says:

 October 4, 2015 at 6:07 pm
 
I think when the ‘sister’ said ‘you don’t have to be afraid’. That’s when I broke down and cried. Thank you Lloyd and everyone in this video, Thank you everyone who comments… thank you for giving me a ‘home’.
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 From Brazil says:

 October 4, 2015 at 6:47 pm
 
When it will be available at the JW Broadcasting? = )
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 Texas says:

 October 4, 2015 at 6:57 pm
 
I am so touched by this video, what an amazing message! I am a born and raised baptised JW and am struggling right now with leaving. I came onto this site right after the “tight pants” talk. Which made me question where has the love gone, what an ignorant and irresponsible comment from a Governing Body member. I did something I never had the guts to do before. Google JW’ s… this lead me here. I am one that participated in the survey this year and checks this site pretty much every day for updates and Cedars utube channel. Guess you could call me an apostate stalker :) . I am in the position if I fully walk away I will have NO family and NO friends. That has been made very clear to me from an early age. I will be completely alone and that is unbearably painful and terrifying. I have had many losses and love those in my congregation dearly, I just wish their love was unconditional, as mine is for them. I am making this first ever post to tell you all “Thank you!”. Especially Llyod who has dedicated so much time, money, and effort to helping others like myself. I don’t know what the future holds for me or what my beliefs are anymore. It’s just nice to know that others have made or making the difficult journey to freedom and maybe I can too!
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 Sarah says:

 October 4, 2015 at 7:35 pm
 
What a nice comment. Believe me when I say I have been there. I used to do the exact thing, checking here every night to see any new articles. My husband and I left 2 years ago. He had some family that will still keep a minimal relationship with him. But me, not one person. No one, and i come from a big family. I truly feel like all of my family and friends died. They won’t answer my texts, or say a word to me, even when my daughter, their grandchild/niece was born. No one came, or even called. I am and think I always will be heartbroken over this. What you face is really so huge and you are so brave to be able to even think of facing it. But you know there is an incredible freedom that comes, doing what is right, being free from that judgement and able to just be yourself. I also think for every person that leaves because they find out it isn’t true, they open the door for more to come through. I really wish you the best. I am the girl who reads the last line in this video, and I think it is so true..be honest, and true to yourself, and learn what real freedom is all about.
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 Tara says:

 October 4, 2015 at 7:45 pm
 
You have us now Sarah. I have you :) x
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 Jill says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:26 am
 
YES!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 4, 2015 at 8:16 pm
 
Sarah, enjoy life to the fullest with your husband and children. Do not let the past cloud you so that you miss out on your own children’s upbringing. May God bless your home and remember Psalm 27:11 “Even if my own father and mother abandon me, God himself will take me in. “
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 Tara says:

 October 4, 2015 at 7:43 pm
 
You are not alone Texas :) you have us for what it is worth. It took courage for you to comment :) I took that step a few months back. Lloyd said he would try and get a forum going for us all to chat freely. I think we have a new family. One born from adversity, from an organisation that preached love but didn’t fully disclose how conditional it was. I come on here more often than I go on fb. I’ll look out for you :)
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 Awake! says:

 October 4, 2015 at 11:08 pm
 
@Texas
 Check out my response to Tara’s comment up above. She was expressing similar concerns about having no one on the “outside”. I offered some tried and tested advice. Good Luck t’ y’all!!!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 4, 2015 at 7:34 pm
 
Moved to tears by all the courage and love shown in the video and article. With everything that has been happening lately I feel that God is finally listening to the prayers of those victimized by this cult. I see a whole new meaning to the often quoted words of Psalm 37:10,11 10 “Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” This video gives me a real hope for that peace, as a still active member of a JW congregation I thank every person who participated for your message of love.
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 Tara says:

 October 4, 2015 at 7:56 pm
 
Can you see, with your minds eye
 People dwelling together?
 Sorry has passed, peace at last,
 Life without tears or pain….
Yes it’s a Kingdom song but perhaps we are the mirror image for who it is really intended.
Some of the scriptures I now look at and really wonder if we, the ones who have escaped or escaping, physically or mentally are not the ones being mentioned and not the ones who presume it speaks of them.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 4, 2015 at 8:25 pm
 
I’ve been reading the Greek scriptures again with that new perspective. They truly are part of the Babylon the Great they love to criticize, an ursurping false religion, masking as the one true faith, while really hunting down those that truly want a relationship with their creator. With the purpose of completely draining them of that love and hope in him they once possesed. There is no way the God of the Bible lets them walk off into the sunset without their judgement day.
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 ruthlee says:

 October 5, 2015 at 7:23 am
 
same here r 67 exactly the same ruthlee. its almost synchronicty
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 Jwpow says:

 October 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm
 
Careful, reading the bible without the oversight of the all powerful and all wise slave class. (That’s Masters of your faith to you, little camper.) Will lead to strange and unusual conclusions. Next thing you know, you’ll belive you possess a conscience.
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 jeff canning says:

 October 4, 2015 at 8:13 pm
 
good stuff John, glad to see you had some Aussies in the film. Down under we Have Paul Grundy J W Facts doing similar good work to rid the planet of this family destroying crowd. Jeff C
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 Grace says:

 October 4, 2015 at 8:40 pm
 
This video is a valuable tool for those waking up. The illusion that apostates are devilish can be quashed.
We have told a few still in Jw’s that we consider ourselves apostates to jw.org & that it’s not a word to be scared of.
 All it means is that we’re people living in a free world exercising our right to freedom of thought & speech. It’s sad when you see “satan’s governments” being democratic & the “truth” that supposed to set you free is nothing more than mental slavery.
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 ScotWm says:

 October 4, 2015 at 8:42 pm
 
JWsurvey’s four years of service came at the perfect time. Prior to 2011, typical Jehovah’s witnesses would suppress their doubts about the Governing Body’s claim that the Watchtower is God’s visible earthly organization. But after 2011, bizarre changes instituted by the Governing Body became difficult to ignore. During the same time frame, the Watchtower’s child sex abuse cases have become impossible for even the most hard-core witness to shrug off.
JWsurvey has addressed many of these Watchtower problems over the last 4 years: Watchtower founding father Charles Russell was demoted from the faithful slave class. The asinine overlapping generation teaching became the latest lie used to support the false 1914 doctrine. The seven “anointed” members of the Governing Body claimed that they alone comprise the faithful slave and that surviving the great tribulation requires complete obedience to them. The Watchtower is currently instituting desperate austerity measures and is now begging for money.
Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t need to look beyond than their own JW dot ORG website to find reasons to doubt the validity of Watchtower doctrines and teachings. Just watching the video presentations made by the Governing Body members are enough to sound alarm bells. At a time when many witnesses are realizing that they belong to a destructive religious cult, JWsurvey is here to help them make a transition into a normal life.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 4, 2015 at 9:45 pm
 
@ScotWm .. You ENCAPSULATE PERFECTLY ALL the Reasons since 2011 why the Governing Body is SUCH A FRAUD!! I commented in a Watchtower Study about 6 Months Ago that there are NO GREEK or HEBREW Words for …. ‘ GOVERNING BODY’ in the Bible!!! …. There was an AUDIBLE DEATHLY GASP from Many in the Congregation & the Watchtower conductor found it hard to get comments after that as Brothers & Sister were Mentally trying to GRASP the Meaning to what I said !! I KNEW by certain brothers & Sisters turning their backs on me after the meeting & some were trying to avoid conversation with me & ALL BECAUSE I SPOKE the TRUTH…. This is HOW WICKED, MANIPULATIVE & EVIL these 7 MEN ARE that they INSTILL THIS FEAR in PEOPLE to SPEAK THE ‘REAL TRUTH’!!!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 4, 2015 at 9:57 pm
 
To ALL of YOU that have Related How You Feel & Your Experiences Really Shows CEDARS(Lloyd) How Much he is Appreciated !! .. So Let’s All of Divert our WASTED CONTRIBUTIONS to these 7 CHARLATANS who are No Better than Bygone SNAKE OIL SALESMEN & Lets DONATE to Cedars Website which can Help COMFORT & Give a SUPPORT NETWORK to Those who are STRUGGLING EMOTIONALLY with the Mental Cruelty that these 7 SILLY LITTLE PYGMIES Impose on People …. NO WAY do they REPRESENT CHRISTLIKE BEHAVIOUR !!
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:07 am
 
EXCELLENT COMMENT! Something fitting I read on a completely unrelated YouTube video which I wish to share here:
“Don’t lie to the internet. We don’t need a polygraph to know truth.”
Now ain’t that the truth, Jack?
Finally, THE TRUTH ABOUT THE “TRUTH” is coming to light. Yes indeed, “the light is GETTING BRIGHTER” and is shining on the cockroaches in Brooklyn!
We all know that there will ALWAYS be those few self-righteous, arrogant, never-made-a-mistake brothers and sister that will go down with this ship who will NEVER admit they were wrong. How could they? This is all THEY KNOW and they GAVE UP SO MUCH TO STAY IN THIS CULT SO TO LEAVE NOW WOULD BE THE BIGGEST SLAP IN THEIR FACE! But I say good! Let their own pride and arrogance destroy them. It will. Believe me. The more arrogant and prideful you are to admit wrong, the deeper those roots go into your soul.
Investing in psychiatric hospitals and medicines should prove to be very lucrative when 8 million JW’s are left without their mental crutch!
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 Kat says:

 October 4, 2015 at 10:37 pm
 
So very encouraging this video for all of us struggling and some even after many years, but hopefully active JW will also view this as I am so convinced that many feel the way TEXAS said.
TEXAS, my heart goes out to you, I understand as I am in a similar position, you have support here and just keep in contact, talk and make friends outside the org, it really helps.
Thanks to all involved and cedars for your outstanding work and care!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 4, 2015 at 10:38 pm
 
@LOL … Ahhh …the RETURN of the INTELLECTUAL !!! …. A Bit Like the RETURN of the JEDI !!!
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 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 7:26 am
 
Didn’t Jesus have some tough love for Laodiceans? I believe he emphasised their ‘lukewarm’, apathetic nature three times.
Oh wait no, Is Laodicean messenger saying we are lukewarm…. hard to imagine when we have been heated up to boiling point within the fiery condemning waters of the WT.
I still find it amusing that some will come to ‘apostate’ websites when they are told not to. It’s a bit like a MOD going into a Biker bar….. sure the door is open but it begs the question ‘why?’
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:12 am
 
@Tara .. MODS & ROCKERS.., Those were the Good Old Days!!!
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 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:43 am
 
@Tara.i replied to your question about how congregation responded to sundays letter after it being read out on the previous post Lloyd did .Quite a Funny interchange between an Elder & me on the Saturday!!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 11:23 am
 
Want to remind everyone here about the importance of sharing this video everywhere. Facebook, Twitter, snapchat, Instagram, etc… We really need this video to go viral in order to save lives. Lets get it out there.

 
 
 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 1:25 pm
 
will go look. :)

 
 
 
 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 6:01 pm
 
Once a biker chick always a biker chick….
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 Exhausted says:

 October 4, 2015 at 11:07 pm
 
Positively inspiring. I was on the other side for years,
 Painfully shunning members of my own family, thinking
 I was rightly doing so. Then, after time, I realized that
 Was as wrong as two left shoes, I woke up primarily after
 The Bethelite who sold my mom a book, called me and
 Said he was counting on some money from my Gram’s
 Estate after her death, because he mistakenly took their
 Kindness as a token inheritance. We had a business so
 He assumed we didn’t need the money. It appalled me.
 the book was Let God be True back in The very early 50’s.
 It was never my fault to compensate for the choices these
 Guys make. Now, after years of shunning, I am pretty
 Much a loner. This sight gives me a smile.
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 Awake! says:

 October 4, 2015 at 11:15 pm
 
SSnakessssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 2:14 am
 
@Awake…The 7 VIPERS ?? Of BROOKLYN??
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 Holy Connoli says:

 October 5, 2015 at 3:05 am
 
@Pickled Brain? How about Snow White and the “7 Dwarfs”? JUST SAYIN! lol
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 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 12:37 pm
 
@Holy connoli . Yep!;..7 DWARVES!! ..of 7 MIDGETS… What’s in aName.. Just about sums them all up!!

 
 
 
 Awake! says:

 October 5, 2015 at 4:06 am
 
Good one! — Another one to add to the New Theocratic Terminology!!! :)
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 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:10 am
 
Omg Lord Flash heart and BlackADDER….. they had tight pants you know…WOOF
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 Meredith J says:

 October 5, 2015 at 4:23 pm
 
That’s disgusting but not surprising. How amazing of the title of the old book. “Let God Be True”. Ha ha.
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 Donald duck says:

 October 4, 2015 at 11:39 pm
 
Why do you visit this website? Are you searching for the truth? Most of us are so fed up with the lies and manipulation, so we look to it sources to understand it all… What’s your reason for visiting?
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 2:20 am
 
@Donald duck.. I presume you are referring to our VISITING INTELLECTUAL..@LOL…it means LOLLIPOP BRAIN…COLD HEART on the Outside & COLD HEARTED ON THE INSIDE!!!
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 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 6:10 am
 
@Lol .. Looks like your unkind comment has been Removed by the moderators of this site.. If you are still Lurking & Reading these comments ,Please be Reassured i still think of you FONDLY FONDLING Your LOLLIPOP…if you pardon my English.!! No hard Grudges??..Ohhh Alright MAYBE a FEW
 MAY you be BLESSED by the 7 VIPERS of BROOKLYN! ..MAY i HEAP FIERY COALS on YOUR HEAD in the words of the Apostle Paul…WILL 2 TONS of Fiery Coals on your head be ENOUGH??? With FOND AFFECTION!; Pickled Brain
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 RC says:

 October 5, 2015 at 2:38 am
 
It may seem off topic but was this the Watchtower plan all along to say that we need more money to construct new Kingdom Hall and then say they dont have enough . Was there any new construction done in the first place. I mean in countries other than US and UK. I am from India and i remember seeing the worldwide donation box when i visited my cousin’s Kingdom Hall.
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 Lester says:

 October 5, 2015 at 3:26 am
 
what a wonderful, short , joyful video!
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 Truthsetsfree87 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 4:51 am
 
Thank you Cedar and all the others! after over 30 years I have been set free for the last two years ! Although laying low as not to be DF, for my children and family are still ignorant as to the real organization. I hope one day I also can be apart of a video like this! No longer a slave to watchtower lies that have bothered me for the past 15 years.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:50 am
 
You’re in the same position as most of us. However, I’ve chosen to “use this short time wisely” (LOL I love using WT quotes against them! :) ) before my family and friends wake up on their own, to help others I know.
Send anonymous emails to everyone in your address book and ask them questions about 587/1914. Send them the link from herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t1T-MFZiHs
 to use the WT’s very OWN literature to prove that Jerusalem wasn’t destroyed in 607! Or from the thousands of resources on the internet!
Print out flyers questioning this or other false teachings and distribute them in the Kingdom Hall parking lots 30 minutes before the meeting starts or the night before (Saturday night). I mean if a wind happens to catch your stack of papers and it flies everywhere, then it must be another sign from Jehovah! If the stack stays in place while you distribute it then, it is still a sign from Jehovah because of the “overlapping generations of the four winds” of hot air. Either way, it is a sign and we must look at it that way.
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 StartrekAngel says:

 October 5, 2015 at 5:12 am
 
You really need to think about the effect this site has on people. You see the testimonies, no more needed. Why do I open my comment like these? You really need to consider having a Spanish version of this site. There is so much ignorance and so very few resources available for the Spanish speaking crowd. It is no wonder that Latin America is the place where the WT is getting his bigger growth. Last week during the WT study people were still commenting that the FD&S was all of the anointed. Even the elder conducting the study agreed. Another elder had to jump in and correct everyone.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:17 am
 
http://www.extj.com for Spanish and links from there will take you further down the rabbit hole of jw secrets.
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 The Laodicean Messender says:

 October 5, 2015 at 6:42 am
 
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 Jwpow says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:59 am
 
Are you the ghost of c.t. Russell? Speaking to us from the grave? The pyramid has spoken. …
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 Hippie says:

 October 5, 2015 at 7:09 am
 
Hi Cedars, I want to thank you so much for helping me wake up last year. Your website and all the other websites contributed to my waking up. After waking up, I have realised that it is a cult . I have many family in and I am trapped inside this cult. :(
 It is sad and angering to see how many of them are ignorant and mindless zombies . The biggest fact is , they don’t know they are brainwashed and that’s they are the way they are.
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 ruthlee says:

 October 5, 2015 at 7:48 am
 
Each topic runs a little longer .I wonder if we could all who visit this site just say thanks if nothing else. Some of us have become quite vocal as we awaken , because it is necessay to voice our thoughts .It’s not just to get an airing, it is because we want to help any who are crying and grieving over all this loss we suffer collectively. Each of us have a unique story, all have found common ground here. For me i think i was staring in the jaws of death for the third time. and it may have been third time lucky but as one of the comments above said they stumbled upon this site (me too) and i was wowed. All these like minded people and fair minded too. I started to read daily and things get better and stronger.How can you thank an anonymous person out there? words seem a bit too little but i do thank you Lloyd so very very much. We may never meet or agree about religion but I do know whatever the driving force that motivated you has made something bigger than your original intention.It’s a GREAT work that you do . I dont want to degenerate into wtower speech, ive had enough saccharin to last a life time.But to the team, the lovely faces out there who spoke for us in the dark,Lloyd and your probably most patient wife and darling daughter with love and true gratitude and tears too, thanks.ruthlee
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 5, 2015 at 7:53 am
 
Oh how I wish I could make my own public video and “come out of the coffin” and join these people! But I have a work to do, along with my Bethel contacts and others. The “harvest work is great, but the workers are few” so you know what we need to do!
The unfortunate fact is all of those people are now “burned” – in other words, their cover is blown. It seems to me that most of those people are mentally stable and sufficiently cunning enough to remain undercover and help expose this cult for what it is! So please consider working from the inside as many more good loving people need your help to wake up! If you are planning on publicly resigning yourself, consider helping to spread the word while your JW “friends” still listen to you. Ask them questions about 587/1914. *****Use the Watchtower’s OWN publications to prove that 1914 is WRONG.***** Once you do that, the entire premise of the JW cult is no longer valid. I don’t think you need to even mention the other dozens of false teachings once the 1914 doctrine is blown. Do you know why the GB is always reminding us to NEVER EVEN LISTEN TO APOSTATE MATERIAL? Because they know that once that “seed of truth” is planted, the whole cult is exposed!
Break free! Free yourself from the control of MEN, the very thing JESUS warned you about! Free your mind! Free your soul! :)
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 Robert67 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:07 am
 
Very well stated, Ur. We will definitely keep working from the inside knowing that when the grass is cut the snakes will show. They are truly trying to round up desenters.
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 StrongHaiku says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:04 am
 
Thank you Lloyd. That video made my day. And to the ones out there struggling, please remember as many have stated already, YOU ARE NO ALONE.
And, most importantly, whatever life you make for yourself when you leave, you will sometimes have a hard time and make mistakes. This is natural as most of us did not learn how to navigate in the real world. Further, many of your JW relatives and friends may point to your failings as a reason you should have stayed. Please be gentle with yourself and know that you are better than their God, better than their religion, and better than most of them.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:58 am
 
This is what many in that video have come to realize about the organizationhttp://youtu.be/u5JnngqQYvc
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 Robert67 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 11:00 am
 
This is what many in that video have come to realize about the org. John 8:32


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 covertfade says:

 October 5, 2015 at 12:40 pm
 
Just want to say a massive thank you to Lloyd and everyone involved in JW Survey, and the EX-JW online community in general. When my doubts first started to seriously fracture my faith, and I took those first terrifying steps online to research my own religion, JW Survey, JW Facts and JW Recovery were there to welcome me, hold my hand, coach me in breaking my indoctrination and give me the independently verifiable information I needed to prove that the WT cult was a sham. Most of all, I learned that these evil “Apostates” were actually some of the kindest, most reasonable and morally upright people I’d ever met, and that these very qualities were often the reason driving them to leave a cold, unreasonable and legalistic cult.
You guys saved my life, and now I can finally LIVE it, as the real and authentic me and not some inauthentic cult zombie drowning in cognitive dissonance and wasted opportunities.
Thank you.
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 Meredith J says:

 October 5, 2015 at 4:16 pm
 
Seeing that this is a rather historical event for JWSurvey, I just wanted to clarify something I wrote down on my survey the other day, that I should have elaborated on. Over the years, you forget things that were important at the time, but certain things come back that were significant in your life. I elaborated in one of the questions about what websites had been instrumental in my leaving. I put down silentlambs.org and watchtowernews.org but I forgot that the watchtowernews was from Randall Watters Freeminds.org website which is still running, I just found out.
He is very brave and has been doing this for a long time like John Cedars ( not quite as long of course, but having a big impact all the same), Bill Bowen and Barbara Anderson who have given so much to make a stand against the very powerful Watchtower Society or the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Powerful in the fact, that they call everyone who leaves and disagrees with them an apostate and also in that they have had an arsenal of lawyer/slaves to do their dirty work for them creating a witchhunt for all these people. This video is like icing on the cake and giving the finger to their cult and cruel dictatorship. I hope it gets viewed far and wide.
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 Stirring Awake says:

 October 5, 2015 at 5:27 pm
 
OT – the new format “No. 1” WT for 2016 is now live… http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp201601/
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 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 6:08 pm
 
I just went to look at it and was about to download when I though…. nope, they can give me a paper copy that I’m not donating for… hey we all have to do our bit for the downfall eh. every little helps. Then I had a thunk to myself… I may not even be at the hall by then so why worry about tomorrow when today has enough wine to see me through.
Cheers and clink clink
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 5, 2015 at 7:40 pm
 
Well, in the comic book world, a #1 edition can end up being very valuable down the road. Especially with the WT starting to look like it might be a “limited series”. I think I might have to get one. (This is the first time I’ve wanted a WT in over 6 years, lol.)
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 Tara says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:49 pm
 
Do you think the GB would sign it for us?
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 6, 2015 at 12:59 am
 
Of course! If we throw them a few bucks…

 
 
 
 
 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:22 pm
 
@Tara. Eat drink & be Merry for the GB are about to Die in the words of the Apostle Paul! Funny that i had just drunk a glass of Cabernet Merlot when you posted that comment! I know most Ladies like a Glass of Rose’ !!
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 John smithe says:

 October 5, 2015 at 6:18 pm
 
24 years baptized , 5 years at bethel , 10 years as an elder , 4 as school overseer and 6 as congregation secretary ! My awakening was slow and gradual . I still marvel at how misguided I was and how sadly I played a part in misguiding others . Had their been sites like jw survey many years ago … I would have enjoyed the ” real life ” that I am enjoying now . Keep up the fine work !
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 Robert67 says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:46 pm
 
If your still in you can correct some of those past wrongs by pushing the friends to place scripture over anything the WT prints. Sites like this one will take care of the rest. Revelation 22:18-21, Proverbs 30:5,6 Deutoronomy 18:18-22 that goes for anyone else still in, especially if you give public talks. Direct them back to God and away from false prophets before they lose all faith in scripture.
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 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:34 pm
 
@John Smithe GOOD COMMENT
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 johnsawthelight says:

 October 5, 2015 at 8:54 pm
 
FRIENDS IT IS A PLEASURE TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE LLOYD TO HANDLE JWSURVEY AND MAN IS HE DOING A GREAT JOB. I FEEL SINCE I BEEN COMING TO THIS SITE THAT I HAVE SLOWED DOWN A LOT ON BOMBARDING THE WATCHTOWER. I NO LONGER SPEW OUT HATE FOR THAT CULT.i HAVELEARNED TO MAKE THOSE 7 OLD BENT OVER MEN MY MAIN TARGET TO DECLARE WAR ON. I ACTUALLY HATE THEM BECAUSE THEY THINK NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING BUT THEM AND TO HANG US IF WE DISAGREE WITH THEM. I believe they have taken so many of them md pills that there is no hope for them. they are hateful. especially that clown in Australia Jackson. I loved it when mr stewart swore him in. mr stewart drug it slowly, to make this creep to let him know that he was now under someone elses power. I know that killed him. I bet he was so dam mad but he had to hide it. how about the times when asked a question he would reply “now t6hats a good question” he did not mean a word he said. Jackson is mr potato head.i cannot stand him. I cant wait to see some of those 7 old sex starved old men get their payback. something has to happen to those 7 creeps. that’s all friends- all you have a nice day or night. love all you. I do feel for those slaves that is 8 million of them- brainwashed and no where to turn to;. they have taken so many of those md pills that there seems no hope for them. in closing you may wonder what a md pill is. it is a mentally diseased pill. lol
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 Meredith J says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:09 pm
 
I cannot believe that we are the only ones who have seen the light. What does it take to convince the majority to leave before they have to turn the lights off? May God bless all those who have seen the light and may the rest wake up soon. The ship is going down quick.
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 pickled brain says:

 October 5, 2015 at 10:31 pm
 
@johnsawthelight. EXCELLENT COMMENT & LIKE YOUR USE of CAPITALS!!! You sound as ANGRY at that SMUG PERVERT IDIOT JACKSON as i am!!
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62 apostates mark JWsurvey Day 2015 with a message of love for Jehovah’s Witnesses
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Posted on October 4, 2015

62 apostates have joined forces to reach out to Jehovah's Witnesses
62 apostates have joined forces to reach out to Jehovah’s Witnesses

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, you will have to be satisfied with remembering October 4th 2015 as the day congregations worldwide were informed of the scrapping of the Theocratic Ministry School – over a week after the news was leaked in advance by a Bethel source.
But if you are a former Jehovah’s Witness, or an “apostate,” you can take pride in thinking of October 4th 2015 as the day when more ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses than have ever before appeared in a single video with a message of love and concern for those still trapped inside the Watchtower organization.
Organized to commemorate the anniversary of this website’s launch on October 4th 2011, the short montage film represents the joint efforts of 62 “apostates” from far-flung corners of the globe. Rather than trying to condemn Jehovah’s Witnesses, the video sets out to debunk the damning stereotypes of apostates as disseminated in Watchtower publications.
Instead of appearing as foaming-at-the-mouth mentally diseased vagrants, the apostates in the video are calm, rational people who have walked away from a religion that causes far more harm than good, and is ultimately untrue.
It is hoped that the video, with its intriguing title, will reach out to as many Jehovah’s Witnesses on YouTube as possible, and get them to rethink their position regarding doing objective research into their cherished beliefs.


[Please note: Due to a music rights issue, the video does not play on all handheld devices.]
JWsurvey Day was first announced at the end of August, and the collaborative video was given the working title of “What you DON’T know about apostates.” A Facebook group was set up, and the script was made available online for people to choose which lines they wanted to speak.
However, as more and more people signed up for an ever-diminishing number of parts in the video, it became clear that something special was happening. The sheer number of people who wanted to share in delivering the video’s message was an event in itself.
Last night, as the deadline for the video drew close, I stayed up until 4 am making last-minute edits. Over 4 gigabytes of video submissions had to be sorted and whittled down to a final 15-minute short film. As the video took on its own personality I noticed a change was needed. The original title would be scrapped in favor of “62 Apostates Who Love Jehovah’s Witnesses.” (There are actually more than 62 apostates appearing in the film, but because I would rather downplay the figure than exaggerate, I have counted only those who speak in the final edit.)
I sincerely hope that we can do the video justice by making sure it is shared as widely as possible. It’s wonderful to see the enthusiastic response already on Facebook and Twitter from ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses who are enjoying seeing their own thoughts about Watchtower verbalized by such a wide array of people.
Special mention must also be made of all those who have worked in translating the subtitles for the video. Presently there are 8 languages available, but a further 9 are in the pipeline. Michel Mix (pictured below), a member of the JWsurvey Day group, has done a fantastic job of coordinating the translation project from his base in Colombia.
Oftentimes when I do activism work on my own (for example, a large JW Broadcasting rebuttal), I can find the process genuinely tiring – and even mildly frustrating. But when I am working with so many sincere people, I feel the burden lifted. Activism becomes the unbridled joy it should be. I am working with like-minded individuals who share my passion towards an important goal, which is one of the best feelings you can have in life.
A tribute to JWsurvey
When I first set up JWsurvey, it did feel like “my website” – and I still catch myself speaking in those terms occasionally. But as I look back on the work that has been done and the huge potential for making a difference moving forward, I find those ideas are shifting. JWsurvey is becoming more of a legacy.
In the most recent 2015 survey, one of the questions asks which resources have been most instrumental in the person’s awakening from Watchtower indoctrination. The answers as of October 4, 2015 are as follows…
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In total, 1,218 have so far credited this website as either very or extremely influential in their awakening. This figure, and the figures for other similar websites, are simply astonishing. It is a sobering reminder of just how much work the internet is doing in chipping away at Watchtower’s stranglehold on people’s minds.
It also means the role of this website is more important than any one single person, which is why I have been gradually expanding our team of writers and illustrators over the past year or so. My eventual aim is to leave JWsurvey in the capable hands of the next generation of activists, to hopefully continue on long after the bulk of my work is finished.
In the meantime, there is still much work to do – work that is made far more enjoyable when I allow myself pause to reflect on what has been accomplished. In that spirit, I hope you will join me in celebrating today, October 4th, as “JWsurvey Day.” And I leave you with some short messages that have been sent in by our readers…
Please note, I haven’t been able to publish all the comments as some are too long, but I will try to find a way of somehow adding some to this article either as links to Word documents or as comments.
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[Anonymous]
Put simply, JWsurvey enabled me to fully wake up. As an elders daughter who had pioneered – I faded from the organisation aged 21. I wanted to think for myself; I started to have an awareness that my thoughts were being controlled. This was not easy; I left behind my whole community to embark on a journey to educate myself and build a new support network.
Now aged 30, it has only been in the last 18 months that I have been fully awoken and free from JW indoctrination, thank you to JWsurvey and the John Cedars YouTube channel. This intelligent, insightful, educational, humorous and honest website, truly helped me to understand the facts as to why I had left. For this I will be eternally grateful. In the past two years I have been able to live a normal happy life, without any guilt, fear or regret – this is priceless. In addition to this, my child had been born free. One of the greatest gifts I could give him.
Please keep up the good work! You do an amazing job.
Thank you once again.
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Michel Mix
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My name is Michel Mix. I grew up in the truth and got baptized when I was 14 years old. After finishing high school I was advised to go to university. Instead I started a part-time distance education course (which I quit when I married a fellow Jehovah’s Witness), went pioneering and became a ministerial servant.
I always loved studying to Bible, but find out that many teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses were un-Biblical and merely human interpretations. It that didn’t bother me too much though, I still thought it was the ‘truth’.
When after many years my marriage broke up, I lost all my faith: I’d dedicated many years of my life to a God who didn’t support me at all. I got into a new relationship and the Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped me from the congregation. My former friends and even family members won’t talk to me anymore. That hurts. A lot.
Sites like JWsurvey.org helped me to realize the truth about the ‘truth’: Jehovah’s Witnesses are not just a religion like all the others. They are WORSE. The indoctrination is overwhelming and there are a lot of victims. All my doubts about teachings that I had in the past, were confirmed. And I found out that many members don’t agree with the teachings, but cannot leave for social reasons.
For me leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses was the best thing I ever did. I’m happy and free! I remarried, moved from The Netherlands to Colombia, enrolled in university and we are expecting a baby. I’ve lost 20 years of my life, but the future is still bright and shining!
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Yvette Rucker
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I became a witness in my early 20s. The promise of a paradise earth where there is peace and unity among all mankind especially between a husband and wife appealed to me.  I wanted this kind of world for my children. I studied and became a witness hoping and praying my husband would too and he did,  but it did not make my marriage better it only made it worse.  My husband believing that I now was scripturally bound to obey gave him total control and he was even more abusive. There came a day when I realize that if I stayed with him he would kill me and our children so I made the decision to leave and I did.
Of course, I was no longer good association because I separated from my husband and eventually divorced him to protect myself and the children.  Being a single mother was hard I had to work 2 jobs to support us but at least we did not have to live in constant fear.  The congregation had little to do with me so I received no help from them I was completely on my own  I missed so many meetings trying to work and take care of my children. 
My older daughter introduced me to your website because she no longer believed it was the truth, because of the way we were treated.  She pointed out scriptures that showed that her dad was not the loving Christian husband he should have been and that the elders were told and sympathized with him cutting me off from a faith I believed in wholeheartedly all those years.
I did read JWsurvey and all the links as well. JWsurvey helped me loose the fear and guilt that comes with leaving what you come to believe is Gods organization. I have been able to heal and i am still healing.   Thank you so much for the real truth about the Watchtower organization
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Julia Douglas
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I remember when JWSurvey was just an idea and Lloyd was only known by his pseudonym and had yet to officially break ties with the Watchtower. I had already been disfellowshipped and was using my true identity on Facebook, but that’s not to say I was truly free of the brainwashing and programming. I struggled for a long time… and reading the articles on JWSurvey proved to be a regular source of fact-based, reliable information that I have come to rely on.
It’s always exciting when there is a leak, but more importantly, JWSurvey has been a comfort to the demons plaguing my mind. Lloyd has a remarkable ability to quickly read, digest, comprehend and effectively refute Watchtower propaganda, time and time again. Sensationalism would only detract from the well-reasoned information that JWSurvey presents, and Lloyd does not take short cuts. For all of these reasons, I would say JWSurvey is one of the go to websites that I regularly refer people to, and I hope that Lloyd and his team will continue to maintain the high standards of quality in the days ahead.
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Patricia Burford
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 I am a former JW, I left the organization when I was 17. Recently I accepted a bible study from a JW, I was having feelings of disconnect from religion. I thought since I had left the organization at such a young age, maybe I just needed to reintroduce myself and see if I had made a mistake all those years ago because of rebellion and my youth. 

In the few weeks of my study, some issues from my past started surfacing. I had to deal with issues I had pushed back all those years ago. I had a ministerial father who was very abusive and a pioneer mother who had no clue. I went to a congregation where the elders knew what was taking place yet took no action.

I began to wonder why these things were coming to the surface 35 years later. I truly believe that in stages of our life we are led to face our past in order to grow and move forward. This got me to thinking about other JW’s, there had to be others that felt the same as I did and had similar experiences.

So I started to google, and JWsurvey popped up, I dived right in. I spent the whole day reading and watching the video’s. I found answers to questions I have had for years in just those few hours. I learned more about the JW’s and the organization that day, than I had being raised a JW for 17 years. John Cedars (Lloyd) has been there and experienced the same as we have.  He has proof and he backs up everything that he brings to the table. JWsurvey shows what this cult is all about and the information shared is to save us..

I am so grateful for all the work you do.

(Regarding the picture, I am the older gal… This is my daughter and I…)
 


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Susannah
I left the witnesses aged 27. I am now 60. I have had a good life. I got an education, met some wonderful people and made a new life. I buried my feelings about family and friends. Around the time or just after my JW sister died in 2012, I discovered JWsurvey. I could not believe what I was reading. Lloyd not only understood but wrote about his experience, intelligently, passionately and with a brave honesty. I remember watching him in his car the night he went for his JC. I cried when his father wrote to him, cutting him off. Watching, reading and listening was like being given permission to breath and to speak. JWsurvey has helped me heal when I did not even realise I needed to heal. It has helped me recognise the folly of the beliefs. It let me get in contact with my anger, my sadness, it let me cry and then forgive. This is a cult that has held my family in fear and still does. The fact that JWsurvey exists may mean the next generation will be free. For that I am grateful.


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Uwe Schoning
I da/df myself in 2003 … but defended the JWs and their policies a long time. Somehow in 2011 this stopped. A year later I knew I had to work up my past and I was searching for people with the same thoughts… that something in the organization was not right!
I found a German forum of escapists but felt like I would never fit in… and then I found JWSurvey.org and the kind words on this page showed me, that the author was indeed empathic and would exactly know what I was thinking. His objective arguments and the information he provided confirmed me… I had not left the truth… I left a dangerous cult. And his non-agressive activism showed me, that it is not a bad thing to be an apostate…
JWSurvey helped me to understand, that the truth about the “truth“ is a story about deluded old men, who think their claim to lead is based on a story Jesus told.
JWSurvey showed me, that apostates do indeed care for the people still caught in the organization… and are indeed good people.
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Mika
Mika July 2015 40th BDay
My name is Mika from Michigan in the United States. I couldn’t pass up this opportunity to voice how helpful JWSurvey was to me when I found the courage to turn in my letter of disassociation from Watchtower/JW. Although I saw a different activist account and website first, JWSurvey/John Cedars YouTube channel and website were by far the most helpful to me.
Visiting JWSurvey helped me get an idea of what to expect beforehand from the shunning that was sure to and did follow my exit from the religion, I also found needed encouragement and support from the articles and community of posters. I have always favored the honest, logical, balanced approach and visitor feedback your website & YouTube channel affords which made it enjoyable to view/visit.
One thing it helped I’m sure many visitors realize, is the choice we had all along to free, happy lives without instilled fear through cult doctrine. JWSurvey isn’t extremist nor does it promote fairy tales, it simply states the facts and sets an example in speaking up against the harmful effects of cults in an empathetic way that many could relate to.
JWSurvey gave me much courage and support while helping me realize freedom and peace of mind were already mine, I only need reclaim it from the undue influence of the cult that influenced me to believe otherwise. JWSurvey educated me on effective ways I could help others. I know it would have been more challenging for me had I not came across your activism efforts, but I am beyond grateful that I did.I don’t want to sound overly dramatic here, but it is true when I sum it up in one sentence, JWSurvey helped me reclaim long-overdue emotional freedom and joy in my life.
THANK YOU!
 
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 Not Alone says:

 October 5, 2015 at 9:03 pm
 
Bravo!
 I’m an “Apostate” who remains trapped within the org. A victim of marital separation (Because that’s ok with Jehovah whereas Divorce is not…), my child would be turned against me if I left.
 This video was so spot on! I hope many a thinking witness view it to break down their fears. I am in complete agreement. I love a majority of those in the congregation – They are genuinely good people who are trying to lead good lives. I do not hate JWs, I hate the lies. I do not wish to “draw off disciples for myself”, I just want to be free to worship God from the heart, without all the “traditions of men” WT imposes. Mentally diseased? Actually, yes – I little bit! But not from my learning about 587 BCE or Beth Sarim. I actually almost lost my mind from the societal isolation and cognitive dissonance which comes from being a JW! Since my awakening, I have fully regained my mental strength and stability.
For those still inside and awakening, I tell you, You are NOT alone. I personally know of MANY in my surrounding congregations who have either already awakened and left or, like myself, are stuck inside due to the devastating threat of shunning by family members. There is just too much information available on the Internet for any thinking person to ignore.
Again to the contributors of this video – Bravo…
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 3:59 am
 
@Not Alone- You are not alone. The fear of shunning is the only factor keeping most JW’s from leaving. The GB knows this. They also know that the internet is their greatest enemy, because you can’t lie to the internet.
FEAR is what prevents many JW’s from going on the internet and discovering the TRUTH about “the truth!”
I know for myself, the fear of finding out that my religion is a cult filled with lies kept me for several years from actually doing research. At first, when I discovered, for example, that the 607/1914 teaching is WRONG, I DISMISSED it as LIES. I remember shutting off my monitor and turning away in disbelief. I even said, “Satan is really the ruler of this world and is blinding people…”
Then, something made me go back and verify the 607/1914 data. I researched every text referring to the destruction of Jerusalem and then USING THE WATCHTOWER’S OWN LITERATURE, I came to the conclusion, Jerusalem was NOT destroyed in 607! IT COULD NOT BE! And if that DATE is INCORRECT, the entire raison d’etre of this organization is DEAD. There was no significance of 1918, 1919 and definitely not 1914! Which means, everything is wrong.
Now don’t get me wrong- if you are a religious person in need of a spiritual crutch to numb your mind from the harsh realities of existence and death, some of the WT’s “interpretations” of the scriptures are better than most religions. That said, shouldn’t “God’s only organization” be right about everything? 1914 is a biggie…
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 Dee Griffiths says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:44 am
 
“……if you are a religious person in need of a spiritual crutch to numb your mind from the harsh realities of existence and death, some of the WT’s “interpretations” of the scriptures are better than most religion’s”.
This was what trapped me in the JW religion for years – the prospect of an earthly paradise sounded very nice.
 The best way to overcome this trap, is to surround yourself with a good support system of friends and relatives who genuinely care about you and you them, so that the camaraderie will help to soften the blows from the harsh realities of this life.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 4:11 am
 
One more thing I forgot to mention was since you are in this position, I am sure you still have contacts and addresses. Use that to help these lost souls! Send them anonymous emails with links to this video or other videos that you found useful. Text message them with questions about 607 or this new “overlapping generations” bullshit. Post videos on Facebook. Don’t bombard them with things about the WT’s financial standings, why the sudden reduction in growth, child abuse scandals and other things like that. They will dismiss all of that as “errors made by men…”
The whole premise of this organization is about 1914 and the “Faithful Slave Class.” If that can be shown to be absolutely UNTRUE, there is no reason to stay in this cult. It is that simple. Once they discover that, the rest of the filth and lies will fall into place and they will see this cult for what it is! As the WT always likes to say, “the light is getting brighter in these last days!” What they forgot to mention was the light is getting brighter on their bullshit and this cult is in its LAST DAYS!
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 Rose Graziano says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:11 pm
 
Your comment is spot on!! Everything falls on the fact that Jehovah is using the faithful slave and 1914 was the year the kingdom was established. Once someone can see that this is not true, the house of cards come toppling down.
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 Awake! says:

 October 5, 2015 at 11:34 pm
 
Here’s something to think about, for any still-believing or even half-believing JWs perusing this site (and I AM trying to help, not just telling you this to be a d*ck): When your elders walk into the KH, they don’t see you and think, “Oh, look at all my lovely sheep.” They’re thinking, “OK, let me get my game face on, so all these suckers can look up to me and hang off every word I say.”
 Believe it or don’t… 😉
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 Awake! says:

 October 5, 2015 at 11:55 pm
 
Sorry, maybe the term “suckers” was a little harsh, but you get what I’m driving at.
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 Awake! says:

 October 5, 2015 at 11:49 pm
 
Would it not be awesome and amazing if all 8 million Jehovah’s Witnesses became Apostates??? We could throw a party bigger than Dec. 31, 1999!!! For non-ex-JWs as well. The whole world would be invited for a month-long bash! Everything could shut down for 30 days of revelling. Like a Mega Woodstock, with dancing and singing and drinking and smoking things. It could go down in history as the greatest party ever. And perhaps the first time an entire religion was voluntarily abolished by its own members!
 I know, it’s Pie in the Sky.
 But who knows?…
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 Floyd Edwards says:

 October 6, 2015 at 2:37 am
 
Excellent… if there was alike button I would have clicked on it for your party comment … Cheers
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 5:51 am
 
@Awake .. Brilliant Idea & the MAIN THEME SONG of this Mega Woodstock could be say ‘HAPPY’ by PHARRELL WILLIAMS??? I am sure other suggestions will be forthcoming at what songs could be Sung!!
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 October 6, 2015 at 12:15 am
 
@Llyold Evans, I may not know how to pronounce your name as Jehovah’s Witnesses do not know how the name “JEHOVAH” or “YAHWEH” was pronounced by Moses…! They use that “holy name” to shake the world and I use yours to say “you are a hero…”!
I compare you with many strong people who have saved lives of many… like… “a physician named John Snow [who] had suggested that cholera was caused, not by contaminated air, but by contaminated water. (g 10/10 p. 20; http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=%22John+Snow%22&p=par )!!
“Contaminated spiritual food and water” JWs consume harm families more than cholera does today. Keep up good work and legacy.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 5:54 am
 
@Hakizamana .. NICE COMPARISON … I would Mark you ‘GOOD’ on your Slip but the School will soon be in the ABYSS.
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 Excelsior! says:

 October 6, 2015 at 6:27 am
 
Although I share appreciation for Lloyd’s work, he is not in the same league as John Snow!
Peace be with you, Excelsior!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:34 am
 
John Snow also let us know winter was coming, but sadly his watch has ended.
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 Dblaron42 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:33 am
 
Whose time will end next season?
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 Grace says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:40 am
 
Awake,
That would be good. We could have our own 3 day convention.
Pickled Brain can organise the drama entitled “The Rise & Fall of the 7 evil, deluded, midget, dwarf, pigmy, vipers!”. Did I miss any? It would have to be “m” rated though due the violent ending of heads being blown off.
My preferred ending would be like a Greek tragedy where the story ends with that sweet, powdered drink.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 5:47 am
 
@Grace.. How About a ….’ WARWICK TRAGEDY’!!!
Where The 7 MENTAL MIDGETS /VIPERS/PYGMIES DIE an AGONISING SLOW DEATH from MERCURY POISONING by CONTAMINATED DRINKING WATER in the Groundwater Supplies at their NEW HQ!!! Then the 7 Bodies could be CREMATED & the MERCURY ASHES could be RECYCLED in Thermometers !! …I Knew I WASTED my TALENTS by Pioneering !! I should have been a WARWICK Director & Playwright producing Warwick Tragedies!!
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 Tara says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:32 am
 
That’s no drama – it’s a pantomime!
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 M. says:

 October 6, 2015 at 2:54 am
 
Love this video: excellent video – well done
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 3:20 am
 
Lloyd and everyone at JWSurvey, I want to thank you all again, from the bottom of my heart, for what you do is truly “life saving work.” You are making history!
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 Ted says:

 October 6, 2015 at 5:49 am
 
H”* Business tablets exist for all the years traditionally attributed to the Neo-Babylonian kings. When the years that these kings ruled are totaled and a calculation is made back from the last Neo-Babylonian king, Nabonidus, the date reached for the destruction of Jerusalem is 587 B.C.E. However, this method of dating works only if each king followed the other in the same year, without any breaks in between.” Watchtower 2011 Nov 1 p.24 footnote.
 WT, admits that documentary evidence regarding reigns of Babylonian
 kings indicates a 587 BCE date for Jerusalem’s destruction.
 Then proceeds to fill in the missing 20 years with guesswork,
 conjecturing that there were breaks between reigns. And this
 without the slightest scrap of evidence in support.
Hardly surprising then that the “Alleged Apostate” ranks are growing
 rapidly.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 6:09 am
 
@Ted .. SO SO RIGHT in your ANALYSIS !! That’s what Carl Olaf Jonson found out & was ostracised for ! Then Grant Suiter on the GB in about 1979 came up with the idea of ‘SPUTNIK’ put into Space in 1957 being Part of the SIGNS in the Heaven might be start of Christs Second Presence to try & Move the ‘GENERATION ‘ interpretation !! But due to the Majority Voting on the GB at the time which Ray Franz highlighted in ‘Crisis of Conscience ‘ it was Voted Against!! Doesn’t this show us all that the GB are NO WAY directed by HOLY SPIRIT , but React when TIME is Against the GB Interpretations of Scripture & they PANIC & try & come up with something EQUALLY RIDICULOUS like …. OVERLAPPING GENERATION ???
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 6:57 am
 
@Ted- Thanks for pointing that out. The evidence proving beyond a doubt that 607 is INCORRECT is absolutely OVERWHELMING. The astronomical data and records ALONE prove with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that Jerusalem fell in 587. Worse still, the WT in its own tangled web of lies and bull—- literature proves that 607 is wrong.
On that basis alone, the whole WT organization is a fraud. No need to dig up the dirty secrets and scandals and failed prophecy, failed dates, misquotes, etc. Without 607, there is no 1914. Without 1914, everything turns out to be a lie. And indeed, it is.
As incredible as it may be for JW’s to accept that their entire belief structure is a fraud, it doesn’t change the facts.
Thank “YHWH” for the internet!
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 anonymous says:

 October 7, 2015 at 3:48 am
 
Ted to add to your comment, on page 23 of that article, at the bottom of the page there is a footnote that reads: Note: None of the secular experts quoted in this article hold that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E.
How many of us looked at that footnote? I didn’t notice it and I doubt very much if hardly anybody else noticed it either and I think the reason was because it wasn’t a study article where people actually “study” the article.
Most of us would have read that article thinking that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607, believing that our “mother” wouldn’t lie to us. We would have trusted our “mother”. If we read that article, we would not have believed that our “mother” was playing us all for fools.
We always trust our mothers and we were led to believe that when we became part of the “family” of Jehovah’s Witnesses that they would not take advantage of us. That is what we were led to believe when got involved with the Organization, our “mother” but we were taken in by an Organization that will say and do anything to maintain it’s facade of “caring” people, who would be there for us, through thick and thin but we were taken in by lies and we all know who their father is, don’t we?
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 Meredith J says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:56 am
 
It’s pretty obvious.
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 EverydayExplorer says:

 October 6, 2015 at 6:02 am
 
Beautiful, moving video; inspirational stuff!
Many thanks to all so bravely involved. I will do my best to share the film, which I suspect will turn out to be seminal in the history of spotlighting the WT Soc’s abuses of its followers.
WT Soc monitors of this site, be sure the sins of your man-made organisation will find you out. It might be well for you to start preparing redress guidelines for the cruelty that has been/still is being engendered by WT Soc policies.
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 Baby says:

 October 6, 2015 at 6:41 am
 
after leaving jehova’s organization what hope do you have now? How will you follow the order of Jesus in Matt 28: 19,20? how will follow the order heb 10: 24,25?
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 Susannah says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:01 am
 
Don’t need to – stop following orders, when I realised loving people was better.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:06 am
 
@Baby– And THERE is the retort that millions of JW’s use to justify their ignorance. I know, because I was there defending everything we were taught. To answer your question, I know it may be hard for you to grasp this simple concept that will shatter everything you were brainwashed to believe but the answer is quite simple. Are you ready?
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
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 David says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:21 am
 
please find in the Bible a single verse where it says “Jehovah’s organisation”. It is a term invented by a modern corporation. All the New Testaments accounts of people becoming Christians were accepting the authority God and his Son in their lives. Today the governing body of the jw.org have replaced the role of Jesus and you need to recognise them to be saved. What a crazy teaching!
 They teach a different gospel and one day they’ll realise the fraud they are. Joining a denomination does not make God happy.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:37 am
 
Notice how the GB love to use certain words like “the TRUTH,” or “JEHOVAH’S organization,” or “JEHOVAH’S flock” etc and etc to describe their cult- as if, yes, JEHOVAH MUST BE DIRECTING THIS ONLY ORGANIZATION CALLED THE TRUTH!
These snakes must have PhD’s in psychology. Every tactic they use PROVES that this is a cult. From shunning to the clever words they use to manipulate us! It makes me so angry.
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 David says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:43 am
 
Saying spring water does not make it water really spring water. You need to test it.
The jw.org have missed the target by a century and counting. They failed the test!
Obviously they use big words such ‘only true Christians’, the truth, Jehovah’s organisation.
The words have an effect to the mind of people and blur the thinking ability. But if you really start to test their claims, IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!
Hoe can you be a truth lover and teach the overlapping generation doctrine? it is just desperation to cover years of failures.
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 pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 10:27 am
 
@David … EXACTLY the OVERLAPPING GENERATION Doesn’t Make Sense & as you say the 7 STUPID MIDGETS are just trying to COVER UP PAST MISTAKES!!

 
 
 Baby says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:18 am
 
You can’t prouv it

 
 
 Meredith J says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:59 am
 
Such a deception calling it ‘the truth’. If you repeat that often enough anyone will believe it. That is why it is so hard to get out of your head when you are trying to leave.

 
 
 
 
 
 David says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:38 am
 
For example:
 Acts 2:41
 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Did they join your organisation?
 Were those baptised in the first century not true Christians?
 JW org is less the a century old.
Obviously denominations tells their story/sell their product but we are not babies we have brains to understand.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:41 am
 
By sharing Gods word with people I meet, anywhere and everywhere. There are also sites for ex Jw’s who still believe in Gods word, without the jw.org magic filter. There we can meet and encourage each other to keep doing what is right in Gods, not the seven watchers eyes. We haven’t seen what becomes of the watchtower after these truths about their “truth” becomes common knowledge to all. Maybe some of us decide to revert to the old bible student model without the sky is falling agenda. Stay tuned.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:42 am
 
@Baby … Ahhh the BIBLE SCHOLAR RETURNS … WELCOME !!! FRED FRANZ …RE-INCARNATED as???…… @ Baby…..!! WELL …, FRED??? OHh DEAD ONE , How about Explaining JESUS Words at Mark Ch.9 v38-40 & then Show us Why Jesus DIDN’T Require his Disciples to Follow only ONE ORGANISATION??? .. ALL of US who comment on this site are Fulfilling Hebrews Ch.10v24,25 .
 Secondly Math.28v19,20 to Go & Make Disciples of CHRIST !!!!..NOT AN ORGANISATION ..
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 Garrett says:

 October 6, 2015 at 11:24 am
 
@ Baby
Baby
 When are YOU going to follow the bible?
 Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says that false prophets are to be put to death. The Governing Body have predicted the end of the world 9 times according to the History Channel. When are you going to go kill them as the bible orders you to? When are you going to fly out to NY to execute justice for dragging Gods name through the mud with all the false prophesy? Chop chop! Fly out to New York and put those false prophets to death otherwise you don’t really follow the bible … you follow a bunch of liars in New York.
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 Baby says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:26 am
 
if they are false let God destroy them himself. Why do you wont to do God Job?
The first century christians were also not exact somtimes in thieir inspectations
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 David says:

 October 7, 2015 at 12:35 pm
 
If you justify JW mistakes why other religious groups don’t have the luxury to be inexact? Are you sure other Christians have all bad motives?
You are talking about the first century Christians, but let’s see what the Bible say. For example
Acts 1:6,7
 6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
Verse 6 shows that the Christians had expectations. What verse 7 shows? Does it require special skills to understand it?
The governing body think that they know more than God. They ignore God authority by inventing interpretations that are punctually wrong. The number of invented days shows that they totally ignore the Bible.
JWs are used to dates and they have to produce always one.
Also please think what being inexact could mean to people, God’s creatures. Please think, if the they are wrong with the blood policy it means that children have died for NOTHING.
If they are wrong with the inhuman shunning policy it means that families have been destroyed for no reason.
I think Jesus words are exact, “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”
Imagine if you are shunned because you are a JW. If your parent shun you because of your personal choice. Would you like it?
But as a Christian you practice this atrocious practice. Shame on you!
Psalm 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.
Do you consider the Bible true? Why you put your total trust in men?
 You will harvest what men can give, NOTHING!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 2:13 pm
 
@Baby .. Who was your theocratic School Overseer? You haven’t learnt to spell properly .. GO & GET an EDUCATION !!
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 anonymous says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:02 am
 
@Baby, that scripture at Hebrews is telling people that they can’t be restricted from gathering together. The Watchtower likes to say it’s a “command” to go to the meetings, but it is a command in not restricting people from gathering together.
You should read the Bible without Watchtower publications telling you what they think it means, and what it actually says instead.
When it comes to preaching the message throughout the world, many churches are doing that.
You need to prove to us that God actually chose the Watchtower as his one and only spokesman with proof. Just having good intentions, doesn’t make it the one and only channel of communication between God and men. The Bible is only the channel of communication between men and God (if you believe it) and not an organization of self-proclaimed, spirit directed men who appointed themselves to that position.
Prove to us that God chose the Watchtower organization in 1919 and I will “return to Jehovah”. If you can’t do that, then JW’s are no different than any other religion that the Bible says is worthy of destruction for being a prostitute. They prostituted themselves when they joined the United Nations in 1992. If you are brave, look it up.
The Bible tells people to get out of the “unclean” thing and if a religion teaches lies, then it’s unclean and a person with a working conscience, needs to get out of it and that is what we have done.
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 MimiLove says:

 October 6, 2015 at 6:57 am
 
I still attend some meetings because my mother lives with me and is still very much involved. I use my ipad and when I get bored I surf the net and read real truths about the jw’s…..however in the last month i noticed that our wifi is now restricted to jw.org only! oh well I guess I’ll read downloaded stuff :)
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:21 am
 
@Mimilove. ***WARNING: I’ll give you some insider info. The brothers in my hall regularly go through the web traffic in the router logs. I know they do it at Bethel too. It’s quite easy to see what device was surfing what IP address. They’ve been doing it to hunt down moles, apostates and dissidents they don’t like. So you need to be careful. One method is by using a free proxy. There are dozens of free proxies available if you search. That’s the easiest method for basic computer users. When I’m at the meeting reading that “bad apostate” material, I use an IPv6 subnet to go through the router’s back door. It’s a bit more complicated so I won’t go into details but suffice it to say, it will be impossible for them to found out what sites I am surfing.
I want to say that I am not an IT tech. I just like to keep on top of the technology. But as I advised in my first post a few days ago, the best way to stay in stealth mode is to use your own mobile data plan. You can turn your phone into a Hotspot very VERY easily and connect your tablet so you can surf all you want without fear of discovery or blockage! :) I’d venture to say that eventually all halls with internet access will restrict access to ONLY JW.org for obvious reasons. Control, control control!
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 MimiLove says:

 October 6, 2015 at 9:05 am
 
thanks!
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 Enuffsenuff says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:04 am
 
I keep wondering why they have dropped the Theocratic Ministry School name, and while I am uncertain of the exact format, it seems to me that children are excluded from the presentations and women are just collateral damage in that they get limited exposure for talks. In Australia if you run a “school” then those in charge have to get police background checks to work with children. If kids are excluded then might it be that elders need no longer submit themselves for police scrutiny. When this was first introduced the WT fought the new law tooth and nail. How dare the Govt think that they have some say in who might be eligible for positions in the KH. Since they couldn’t get out of it they have cooperated but with sullen resentment. I wonder if that will now change since the new arrangement “seems” to omit working with children?? Without that check the Congregation has no idea who might be in charge since the WT seems to have an asymmetrical view of who qualifies for positions. I have known of one instance where a molester who had abused his daughter(s), but had a builders ticket that was wanted by Bethel for a construction project. He was not d/f’d and kept in good standing in his hall to enable this use of his ticket. The R and F, never knew. So much corruption, the end always justified the means.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:52 am
 
@Enuffsenuff.. YOU HAVE HIT the PROVERBIAL NAIL on the HEAD!!! EXACTLY … The WORD… ‘SCHOOL’ had to be REMOVED otherwise because of Child Protection certain Laws by Governments would have to be implemented so … BINGO!!… We all have a NEWLY WORDED MIDWEEK MEETING !! The Watchtower LAWYERS are Covering the GBs Back at every turn!!! It Happened back in Rutherfords Time & still happening !!’ Trouble is the ordinary publishers aren’t aware of the SHENNANIGANS behind Closed Doors of Watchtower Lawyers Offices & then it is packaged up as NEW LIGHT or JEHOVAHS CHARIOT Moving Forward !!!
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 Dee Griffiths says:

 October 6, 2015 at 9:17 am
 
As the saying goes: “you never see smoke without fire”!
SMOKE: new name for theocratic ministry school.
 FIRE: “In Australia if you run a ‘school’ then those in charge have to get police background checks to work with children. If kids are excluded then might it be that elders need no longer to submit themselves for police scrutiny.”
The new name for the theocratic ministry school is more than likely just a legal workaround/ legal gymnastics at its best – how clever!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 2:34 pm
 
@Dee . Your Comments are SO INSIGHTFUL that the GB are Now TERRIFIED to have the Word … SCHOOL in any of their Meeting Names as then it IMPLIES Teaching Children which LEGALLY REQUIRES CRIMINAL RECORD CHECKS on ELDERS which could be Embarrassing if An Elder was found to Hsve a Dodgy Past!!
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 ruthlee says:

 October 7, 2015 at 12:28 am
 
If this is true then it really really really should be exposed fast….angry ruthlee

 
 
 
 
 
 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:58 am
 
It’s all in the shepherding the flock elder handbook. Those with privileges and their family get free passes in order to not discourage others when a mighty one falls. The rank and file can eat it. I don’t have any children, but grew up in the Borg and really find it hard to see how any child will be invested in meeting now. An hour and forty five minute meeting on a school night in order to listen to men who can barely understand what they are talking about try to errouniously decipher the Borgs twisting of scripture. Maybe every meeting will have a Caleb mascot segment. Where the kids will be brainwashed into kneeling before the great and powerful seven. Maybe parents will continue to push their children to leave school behind in order to become bethelites and special pioneers, just so they can get the boot a couple of decades in. Finding themselves middle aged with no job, home or any real job prospects with their potato education.
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 Ted says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:11 am
 
Hi PB, & Actigall. Ur
 I agree entirely, there’s a complete absence of superhuman
 guidance from beginning to end. Just a load of cockeyed
 ideas thrown together, that requires more craziness ( new
 light ) to keep them afloat.
I think the whole thing probably was borne of the Spirit,
 but the kind that a certain Judge was quite partial to.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:31 am
 
LOL so true. My father has a library of WTBS literature that would rival the society’s own. I remember doing research years back before my awakening, reading what they wrote in the 1920’s and 1930’s and literally laughing out loud. I asked my father about these things and his answer was always the same, “you can see how the light has GOTTEN brighter over the years. That proves that Jehovah and Jesus are directing this organization!” And of course, I would just kind of brush it off and return to my COMFORTABLE cognitive dissonance of lollipops and cotton candy of the new system when “the new scrolls will be opened…” Holy s— man! It’s insanity!
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 Tara says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:44 am
 
I have the original book of Russels sermons. You should have seen the elders faces when they visited me one time and saw it…. ‘where did you get this?’ This has a kingdom hall stamp in it’. Yeah well, I was given it by the elders when I made a request for it from the estate of a dead sisters estate. She was a special pioneer in her time and had been given it when it was deemed old and tatty for the shelves… I wonder what gems it contains. I have never read it as it is very delicate. Maybe I should.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:00 am
 
Yes you should! I do believe that CTR was sincere and he had good intentions. That said, let us not forget the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:19 am
 
@Actigall Ur …, I have Read most of Rutherfords Old Books like Government ,Enemies,etc & I have Read ‘ The Finished Mystery ‘ by Russell alias Clayton Woodworth … AS YOU SAY !! …,,, UTTER INSANITY …. The RAMBLINGS of a LUNATIC !!!! & CHRIST was Meant to have Chosen these NUTTERS as they were Providing ‘FOOD’ at the PROPER TIME???? …. HELPpppp!!!
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 11:46 am
 
@Pickled brain- Yes, I know! Some of the things he wrote about were clearly from a man suffering from delusional paranoia and/or the best damn LSD this side of the 1970’s!
Seriously though, looking back, HOW can ANYONE believe that this man was DIRECTED BY HOLY SPIRIT? As Ted said, he was directed by SPIRIT(UOUS)! LOL
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:53 am
 
@Ted … WHISKEY TALKS !!!
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 Dee Griffiths says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:18 am
 
Excellent video! The origin of the 1914 failed prophecy and its reworking over the years is a must for the next edition of this video as I think this doctrine more than anything else will show people who the governing body really are – a set of delusional liars who just keep perpetuating a lie to save face so that they won’t lose membership and contributions because it’s all about the money.
 Also, on another point – the child sexual molestation cases have been kept under lock and key by the JWs and not reported to the authorities over the years as the governing body wants its members to think that these bad things only happen in false religion or among worldly people not in Jehovah’s organization as Jehovah’s organization is so superior to other religions and the world – we are constantly told that we should have nothing to do with other religions and the world so the governing body had to find a way to keep the child molestation cases quiet by its two witnesses rule if they wanted the rank and file to keep believing that these things only occur in false religion and the world, not in Jehovah’s organization so that they can continue perpetuating their cultic social isolation control by telling Jehovah’s Witnesses that they should have nothing to do with anyone else as everyone else is bad and evil and only Jehovah’s Witnesses are good.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:07 am
 
@Dee Griffits Share this everywhere you can. It has helped me completely awaken one loved one. I just casually shared it as ” look at this video someone sent me, I thought it was one of ours at first. Can you believe what’s in here. I already did the fact checking and its all true!” Sometimes you have to ride the dragon and take risk for family. This time it paid off, hopefully now I have help freeing the rest.
 I know I keep posting it, but we keep getting new people to the site who need an organized quick way to explain what’s behind the curtainhttp://youtu.be/u5JnngqQYvc
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:07 am
 
I no longer believe in the bible or any religious text for that matter but I do know the bible inside and out. So it is now my understanding that when the bible speaks about “Armageddon” it is referring to the destruction of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Yes, MISTER Morris and Crew- You should be very fearful of what is about to come. The end is indeed near! The END OF YOUR DECEIT!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:11 am
 
Ur, that is this organizations greatest crime of all. Completely sucking any and all faith in the Bible out of people who joined to get closer to the God of the Bible. I respect your choice, hopefully they haven’t stolen prayer from you as well.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 11:38 am
 
@Robert- I wouldn’t say that. If I were born a Catholic, I would have reached the same conclusion as I have here- ALL religion is a racket and a snare. I don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God. Again, I am a man of reason and logic. So I did some research.
Did you ever wonder why his biographies were written 30-60 years after he died? Did you ever wonder why not a single person who witnessed his “miracles” (and there were supposedly THOUSANDS of witnesses) bothered to write any of that down or leave SOME recognition of his miracles? Did you ever wonder why there were other men, both real and mythical, before him with nearly identical stories?
Did you ever hear of Horus?
Well, Horus was born to a virgin mother named Isis who gave birth to him in the NILE river. His birth was announced by the star Sirius and three wise men came to visit him at birth. He is baptized in water at the age of 30 by a holy man named Anup the Baptizer, who is later BEHEADED. Oh, did I mention he walked on WATER, RAISED THE DEAD, was crucified and then resurrected after THREE DAYS?
Guess when this story was written? 2400 BCE!
How about Buddha? Everyone knows about him. Right? Guess what? Buddha also performed miracles, WALKED ON WATER, RAISED THE DEAD, fed 500 people from a SINGLE BASKET OF BREAD and was later transfigured on a “mount” or hill. Hmmmm. When was this? 560 BCE.
And roughly the same story for- Osiris, Krishna, Odysseus, Romulus and so on.
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 October 6, 2015 at 12:20 pm
 
@Actigall Ur, anyone with retional thinking will not only questions Jesus’ being from the Son of God, but the entire Bible as Book of God.
(2 Samuel 21:1) . . .Now there was a famine in the days of David for three consecutive years, so David consulted Jehovah, and Jehovah said: “There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibʹe·on·ites to death.. . .
How can a person with rational thinking make a relationship between death of the Gibʹe·on·ites and famine.
Was there a famine following this TERRIBLE CARNAGE? (Numbers 31:15-17) . . .Have you preserved all the females alive? 16 Look! They are the ones who by Baʹlaam’s word induced the Israelites to commit unfaithfulness toward Jehovah over the affair of Peʹor, so that the scourge came upon the assembly of Jehovah. 17 Now you should kill every male among the children and kill every woman who has had sexual relations with a man.
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 Jwpow says:

 October 6, 2015 at 12:59 pm
 
That, raises some interesting questions, like did they recruit 100 gynecologists to make that decision. …it seems always to come down to sex, power,and money, and what people will do to protect there own rights at the expense of yours.

 
 
 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:22 pm
 
@Hakizimana- Believe me, I was questioning the stories in the bible since I was 8. When I asked my parents how and why a loving God would ask his own people supposedly to go and kill men, women, children AND ANIMALS in his name, I always got the same absurd answer- “Jehovah’s JUSTICE AND WISDOM IS ABOVE OURS SO WE SHOULD NEVER QUESTION IT.”
Yeah, ok.

 
 
 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:40 pm
 
We can’t allow ourselves to be carried away by others brain farts, we might as well kneel before the seven again. It’s funny how you get to the truth of the matter if you just stick to the source and not philosophical rantings about the source. That goes for any religion.

 
 
 
 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:22 pm
 
As far as Horus goes from sources online— -I’ve heard repeated here several times that Horus, an Egyptian god, is carbon copy of Jesus. The obvious implication by those that have made this statement is that Jesus is a copycat version of an earlier Egyptian deity.
When I first heard that Horus was the inspiration for Jesus several years ago, I didn’t give it much credence because I couldn’t establish any source material for the claims. this theory originated with Gerald Massey, an English poet, born 1828, died 1927. He published primarily poems, but had an interest in Egypt. He parlayed that interest in Egypt into several books and lectures in which he set forth the proposition that Horus was in essence the first Jesus, and Jesus was a cheap imitation. The primary basis for his writing is the Egyptian Book of the Dead. This is available on-line and you can easily look it up to read it yourself. Be forewarned that forced reading of this would be an extremely efficient form of torture.
It should be noted that Massey’s actual proposition was that Jesus was a copycat from more than just Horus. According to Massey, Jesus was a compilation of an innumerable number of Egyptian deities. There were over 2,000 deities who had every human and godlike characteristic one can think of, excepting Superman’s power to stop a speeding bullet.
 Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.
Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a substitute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.
Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)
As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.
Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.
This is accurate.
Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.
I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Massey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.
Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.
There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Massey and Massey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/carrier_luxor_inscription.htm
Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)
There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.
Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.
There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.
Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.
There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Massey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.
Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.
Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.
According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.
Massey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Massey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.
Claim #10-Both walked on water.
Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Massey does not maintain that Hours did. Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night. Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.
As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.
Claim #11-Both performed miracles.
This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.
Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.
The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any document regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.
Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.
These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection. There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it. I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it.
Massey does compares a story about the Autumn Equinox related to Osiris, not Horus, as the symbolic crucifixion. There is no indication that Horus is involved in any way. There is no mention by Massey of any Sermon on the Mount. No mention or any actual crucifixion, no two thieves, no burial in a tomb. Massey does not maintain that anything of the sort occurred with Horus.
In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.
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 Jwpow says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:30 pm
 
Nice reply. .Robert 67..

 
 
 Robert67 says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm
 
Regarding Budda
Between the years 563 to 483 BC, there was a man in India named Siddhārtha Gautama better known as the Buddha. He was a man who taught principles for peace, harmony as well as love. He was raised in luxury by his father Shuddodana who was determined to not allow his son to see anything unpleasant. This was to keep the fact that there was ugliness and suffering in the world away from him.
One day when Siddhārtha was twenty-nine, he asked his father if he could visit a neighboring city. His father decided to allow him, but also attempted to have the entire city cleaned before his son should arrive. This tactic worked at first, but Siddhārtha strayed away from the rout that his father was counting on him taking and then he saw four different men on which the “four signs” were based: One was old, one was ill, one was dead and the fourth was a beggar. And frm this he came to the realization that even he would grow old and die and he began wondering what was the point of life if one was going to die. From then on he renounced his life of ease to begin a life of begging on the streets.
— By the age of 35, he had supposedly gained great insight of the causes of pain and suffering and how to eliminate it and later he ban to teach. Among his teachings, he taught the “four noble truths” which claim that 1) all life is suffering, 2) that desire causes suffering, 3) one can overcome suffering, and 4) that is would be overcome by following the Eight Fold Path.
 Several in the “Jesus Myth” crowd have attempted to tie the Buddha to Jesus Christ by mentioning several apparent similarities between the two. — D.M. Murdock, otherwise known as Acharya S, has been one of many of the mythers that do this. Following, her claims are placed in bold while my responses are in regular font.
Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the “Queen of Heaven.”
It is certainly true that the birth of Siddhārtha Gautama was miraculous in itself, however the claim that his mother Maya was a virgin is unsubstantiated and isn’t found in Buddhist writings. The fact is that Buddhist tradition points out that Maya and her husband King Suddhodhana were already married for twenty years before their son was born which argues all out against Queen Maya’s virginity. Most certainly, their marraige would have been consumated long before Siddhārtha Gautama’s birth. (Text link)
If Ms. Murdock’s mention of Maya being the “Queen of Heaven” is an attempt to link her to the virgin Mary, then it should also be mentioned that the idea of such a title for Mary is purely Roman Catholic and has no Biblical basis. Protestant Christianity, which is more based on the Bible than Catholicism does not recognize Mary in any such way.
He was of royal descent.
This is true for both Jesus and Buddha, however it is also incidental with absolutely no relevance at all. Arguing that this is a relevant parallel is like saying that since Queen Elizabeth I of England and Nero, the Roman Emperor were both of royal descent that they are therefore connected. Such reasoning just doesn’t work.
He crushed a serpent’s head.
I cannot find any evidence that this was said about Buddha. Even if it was, it certainly is not said about Jesus in any of the four Gospels or (as far as I know) in the New Testament at all. — The crushing of the serpent’s head (which is considered a Messianic prophesy) actually comes from Genesis 3: 15 which was written is at least 1397 BC over 800 before the Buddha was born. This pretty much means that even if such a thing was ever said about Buddha the Hebrew Bible had the saying many centuries before Buddhism ever had existed and therefore Jesus being a Jew would not have had to imitate Buddhism for this one detail.
The fact of the matter is that “crushing a serpent’s head” is actually out of the Buddha’s character because he had resolved not to harm a single creature. As a matter of fact there is a story of him protecting a serpent. (The Story of Buddha, page 7)
Sakyamuni Buddha had 12 disciples.
This is most definitely not true. — At first the Buddha, after his renunciation, had five companions (The Story of Buddha, Pages 40 & 41). Later on, not counting the Buddha’s immediate family or royal patrons, he had a total of eleven male disciples, nine female disciples, and five lay disciples making a total of twenty-five, more than double. (Click here)
In her footnotes Ms. Murdock cites a Travel Guide page as proof of “the motif of Buddha and the 12.” The page she refers to mentions a large statue of Buddha accompanied by twelve smaller Buddhas. — The problem here is that this imagery comes from the Chinese Yuan Dynasty which is dated from the 13th and 14th centuries AD. So even if this was a reflection of Jesus’ twelve disciples, it’s from a period way too late to have affected Christianity. Buddhist tradition shows, however, that the Buddha had more than twelve followers.
Besides, her source suggests that this particular scene is the “Nirvana.” If this interpretation is correct then I must point out that Buddhist tradition says that the Buddha at the time was surrounded by 500 arachants who committed to memory his teachings. (The Story of Buddha, Page 93) If this is the case then the only reason that the Buddhist relief she refers to shows twelve men is because it is much easier than depicting 500.
He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a “small basket of cakes,” and walked on water.
It is true that the Buddha is associated with miracles. But this hardly proves anything because it goes without saying that miracle-workers are an expectation in any religion and therefore this alone does not imply any imitation on Jesus’ part.
Even though it is true that the Buddha did care for the sick, he used a much different method than Jesus who healed with a touch and even over long distances. Buddha would treat his patients with hot water and would bathe them. There were various patients that Buddha treated that didn’t regain their health and even died, which is not the case with Jesus. (Text Link)
I can’t find any Buddhist or Encyclopedic sources that show that Buddha fed 500 people with a “small basket of cakes.” Besides, it should be mentioned that Jesus didn’t use cakes, but rather five loaves of bread and two fish. — And as for the last claim of walking on water, this one is true. But it is also true that this parallel has its differences because the Buddha is said to have accomplished this by “levitating over a stream” to convert a non-believer to Buddhism. Jesus didn’t levitate, he just walked. And he didn’t do it to convert anyone. (Text Link)
He abolished idolatry, was a “sower of the word,” and preached “the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness.”
It would be a true statement to say that Buddha “asked his followers not to create images of him when he died,” though this doesn’t seem to be an actual command. But this really is not an issue because Buddhism is a “Non-Theistic” religion. (Click here) Buddhist do bow to Buddha which, at least from a Christian perspective, is defined as Idolatry. — It should be mentioned that Jesus did not “abolish Idolatry,” nor did he need to because it was already legally prohibited by Jewish law. (Exodus 20: 4)
As for the last two claims that Buddha was a “sower of the word” and preached “the establishment of the kingdom of righteousness” — I can find absolutely no reference to them.
He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all.
Okay, and so did Gandhi, Seneca and many others. These are very common ideas, way too common to just assume that Jesus copied them from Buddha. Though these ideas are held in common between both Christianity and Buddhism, the truth is that there are differences between the two. The philosophical foundations of the two religions are actually quite different. (Text Link)
He was transfigured on a mount.
This is not true. He was transformed into the Buddha while he sat under a tree in a region in Northern India known as Bodhgaya. (Text Link) — I have been informed in an E-Mail correspondance by Eyal Aviv of George Washington University that this area is not even a mountain region.
Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected.
Again, this is completely false. Buddha did not die of crucifixion or even as a “sin-atonement.” He became ill and died at age eighty after eating a large meal of “soft pork” which, according to a diagnosis of his sickness, was too large for his digestive system. (Click here) Also, he was not raised from the dead, rather his body was cremated after death. (Source)
As for suffering in hell for three days in hell, this is not true of either Buddha or Jesus.
He ascended to Nirvana or “heaven.”
Here, Ms. Murdock is showing blatant ignorance of the concept of “Nirvana.” — Nirvana is not a place, and it certainly isn’t “heaven.” It is to live on earth in a state of enlightenment which ends the cursed cycle of reincarnation for a Buddhist. (Click here)
Buddha was considered the “Good Shepherd”, the “Carpenter”, the “Infinite and Everlasting.”
There is no evidence that Buddha was ever called the “good Shepherd or even the “Carpenter.” — It is true that one sect of Buddhism (Mahayana) contains the idea of an “everlasting Buddha.” But this is virtually a meaningless parallel between Jesus and Buddha considering the number of debunked parallel claims between the two made by Ms. Murdock.
He was called the “Savior of the World” and the “Light of the World.”
For once, there is truth to this. After Siddhārtha was born, a sage names Asita told his parents that if he renounced a life of luxury at the court he would indeed become the “savior of the world.” (Text Link) I cannot find a mention of Buddha being “the light of the world.” But even if it exists, it would not prove anyone did any copying.
After making these debunked claims, Ms. Murdock cites Dr. Christian Lindtner to further prove her point that Jesus was copied from Buddhism. — Even though Dr. Lindtner is recognized in the field, he is also a noted “Jesus-Myther.” Many of the claims Ms. Murdock quotes him as saying have already been debunked such as the alleged “crucifixion” of Buddha and the “twelve disciples,” so I’m not going into too much detail. The fact that he is willing to make such easily refuted claims shows blatant dishonesty on his part.
Interestingly, he lists the “last supper” as a parallel between Jesus and Buddha. Though it is true that they had a “last supper,” the details of the two are completely different. Buddha simply ate his meal, got sick and died. — In Jesus’ case, the event was used to declare that he would be betrayed, killed and resurrected. This is way too different to assume that one account influenced the other.
He then repeats the claim that Buddha was resurrected but he leaves out the fact that if this were true then that would mean he never attained “Nirvana,” the point of which was to prevent resurrection or reincarnation. But no dedicated Buddhist would accept this because this would mean that Buddha was not actually a Buddha. — Considering that he is recognized in this field and that his claims are so easily disproved, I unfortunately have to question his honesty.
As I was researching for this blog post, I e-mailed Ms. Murdock’s claims of Jesus-Buddha parallels to several professors of Buddhism and I received a response from Eyal Aviv, Assistant Professor of the Department of Religion at George Washington University who said,
Generally, the claims made in the website you read are historically so problematic that I can simply say that they are not true [ . . . ] I would recommend you to be cautious with Web sources and rely on authoritative scholars or religious writers from within the respective traditions you are interested in.
The truth is that even though there is what could be construed as evidence of Buddhist influence on Christianity, it is basically inconclusive. And just because there are certain similarities, this does not indicate beyond doubt that the similarities between them are a result of Buddhist influence on Christianity. (Text Link)
— So in conclusion, the claims that are made by Ms. Murdock (a.k.a., Acharya S) about parallels between Jesus and Buddha are mostly untrue. The claims that are true are so few in number and therefore can be assumed to be coincidence. Not to mention, in her list of parallels, she jumps to certain conclusions that lead her to misunderstand basic teachings of Buddhism. Considering the fact that Ms. Murdock claims to be an expert in comparative religion, this is pretty odd.

 
 
 Jwpow says:

 October 6, 2015 at 1:45 pm
 
Say Robert, I appreciate your thoughtful answers. Maybe I could get your take on this..at times there seems to be a huge difference between Jesus teachings and that of Moses and even Neihmiah.
 I am reminded of where Jesus said “on account of your hard heartedness , Moses made a concession,” do you think that is a issue of o.t. individuals going beyond what is written?

 
 
 Actigall Ur says:

 October 6, 2015 at 2:30 pm
 
@Robert- Thanks for your input. However, I did not say Jesus was a carbon copy of Horus, only that the similarities can not be overlooked and searching for similarities will lead you to many dead ends. You need to search for genuine Egyptology on Horus alone.
Further, I never implied the exact details were identical! The basics ARE the same and too similar to ignore.
See: https://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jksadegh/A%20Good%20Atheist%20Secularist%20Skeptical%20Book%20Collection/Parallels_between_Jesus_and_Horus_an_Egyptian_God.pdf
(Yes, Massey is quoted in this publication)
My point by choosing Horus and Buddha (and others) that PREDATED JESUS were to show that, in my humble opinion, Jesus was nothing more than an amalgam of various deities and god’s in ancient literature. The rabbit hole goes very deep on this one but to quote from another poster, “there’s no evidence that Jesus ever existed, no sculptures or paintings of Jesus. There are no artifacts or writings by Jesus or his contemporaries. We have Julius Caesar’s own writings, who lived 100 yrs. before the alleged life of Jesus. We also have actual letters that were written to Caesar and letters that Caesar wrote.
Contemporary historians wrote about the life of Caesar. However, mankind’s Savior Jesus never wrote a word. Jesus never wrote anyone a letter and we do not have any original documents written by his disciples or followers. There are no references to a historical Jesus by any known contemporary historian. No literate person in the time period, which Jesus supposedly lived in, mentioned him in any known writing.
All of the documents about the alleged Jesus came WELL AFTER HIS DEATH. Biblical Scholars know this and do not claim it is historical evidence. They instead claim that what’s important is the story. A story that is a lie (pawned of as the truth) can’t be very important.
The Jews at Qumran were waiting on a future Jewish king to appear and deliver them. The Mashiah, according to Jewish belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land. The enemies were the Romans or (future Christians). Essentially everything Christians have been told about Christianity is false. Their beliefs are based on a misinterpretation of the word Mashiah ‘Messiah’ a (Mashiah that never came) and layers of various pagan beliefs of the Roman culture…
The Lord’s Prayer and the Lord’s Supper can be traced to the Qumrans, also going back at least one century before the alleged Jesus’ virgin birth. The Sermon on the Mount is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke about fifty years after Jesus allegedly gave the sermon. The Gospels of Mark and John say nothing about The Sermon on the Mount and neither do Paul, Peter or John because as the Dead Sea Scrolls reveal, the Sermon on the Mount was recorded in the Book of Enoch, at least 100 years before the supposed virgin birth of Jesus.
Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. The verses and saying attributed to Jesus existed long before he was invented.
The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Unknown authors wrote the Gospels the names are only titles. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them.*** (see: FOOTNOTE)
Eusebius openly advocated the use of fraud and deception in furthering the interests of the Church. The first mention of Jesus by Josephus came from Eusebius (none of the earlier church fathers mention Josephus’ Jesus). Scholars have determined that Eusebius not Josephus was responsible for those writings. Eusebius wrote about “how it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived.”
Any claim that there had to have been a historical Jesus fails because a study of the true circumstances of Christianity’s beginnings (although this is difficult considering how much of the past is gone (books and whole libraries were burned and destroyed) and this is precisely the pattern expected if the Jesus religion was an offshoot from other existing religious myths.
Celsus pointed out the same flaws in the cult and (they burnt all his books) so with the silence of the critics, the re-writing of its past, any claim that there had to have been a historical Jesus fails.”
***FOOTNOTE: The WT is really trying to paint a picture of the Gospel writers as men they know everything about when indeed they have very little to go on. Notice in the newest “bible handbook” they have chosen Mathew as their first victim. They have filled in the blanks of his life. Sad. Very sad.
If Jesus really existed as the “Greatest Man Who Ever Lived,” do you think we would need to even have this discussion 2000 years after his DEATH AND DISAPPEARANCE?
I don’t think so.

 
 
 Tara says:

 October 6, 2015 at 2:47 pm
 
Phew

 
 
 Meredith J says:

 October 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm
 
Robert67 Why don’t you just write a book on it?

 
 
 JB Reezner says:

 October 6, 2015 at 8:40 pm
 
The cruelest character in the Bible is also presented as the most loving character in the Bible– one of many insurmountable problems.
Robert67: 3565 words
 Actigall Ur: 1121 words
 JB Reezner: 22 words
Robert67 wins!

 
 
 ruthlee says:

 October 7, 2015 at 12:37 am
 
maybe the stories of horus derived from an ancient skewed text of prophecy. All muddled with half truths and fabrications. It may have got lost in the mists of time, a bit likr the wtower rl

 
 
 Robert67 says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:42 am
 
Josephus the Jewish historian, the rabbinical scribes of the time, Tacitus the Roman official and thousands of personal letters found circling around the time all make reference to not only Jesus, but the Christ and his life. They say that even if every last copy of the Greek scriptures dissapeared off the face of the Earth, you would still be able to reconstruct them just using the personal letters. You forget how illegal it was to follow Christ first amongst Jews and later in the Roman Empire. These letters were their secret way of communicating despite not being able to meet openly. The poor that followed Jesus obviously would be illiterate and the son if God would not spend his precious 3 year ministry rewriting the Hebrew Scriptures or giving away the divine plan. You missed the whole “no sign but that of Jonah” explanation he gave. Those who follow him will have to do it by faith. There is way too much archaeological evidence to backup scripture and deny these people existed. The survival story of the Bible alone is a miracle. The planets three greatest religions all claim Abraham as their salvations starting point. It’s early here and I can go on and on, but the evidence in support of what scripture says happened is there. The rest for us living after the savior, were not going to get the firework miracles. We aren’t going to get God curing us or saving us. We get Biblical truth about ourselves and the human condition with a running theme that if we’re ok human beings, maybe there’s a little something for us and our children after our short lives burn out.

 
 
 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 6:54 am
 
@Robert67 . You have done your Research Well , Robert! Enjoyed your in depth analysis . It’s a Pity the 7 Midgets of Brooklyn aren’t as thorough as you !!
 I think many Ex-JWs Feel SO LET DOWN by the EVER CHANGING INTERPRETATIONS of The Bible by the 7 PYGMIES that when they do Leave the Organistion they Become SO DISILLUSIONED with RELIGION that Many Feel IT IS a SNARE & A RACKET!!! Which is Understandable after SACRIFICING SO MUCH to the 7 MENTAL GYMNASTS who Have FLEECED them for their TIME, ENERGY & MONEY !!

 
 
 JB Reezner says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:56 am
 
I love ya, PB! But the people here who have removed the Bible from its sacred pedestal in their lives have not all simply had a knee-jerk reaction to being burned by the Org.
For many of us, years of thoughtful, honest, open-minded research and a careful reevaluation of cherished, long-held beliefs has resulted in a more evidence-based belief system, which precludes continued acceptance of the validity of the Bible.
I said that in a SUPER NICE way, lol. I’m a lover, not a fighter…

 
 
 Reader says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:44 am
 
The similarities accross the pagan faiths is almost universal.
 This is why the Romans saw other faiths as other forms of their own, it took several hundred years of Emperor supervised interferance to create the RC church. The lack of true comparisons shows over years of church auguement.

 
 
 
 Awake! says:

 October 6, 2015 at 7:36 pm
 
Sounds to me like the story of Jesus is nothing but a load of Horus-sh*t.
 Sorry…sorry…sorry…;)
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 Grace says:

 October 6, 2015 at 2:43 pm
 
Actigall Ur,
I have to agree with you on this topic. I tried to refute these things myself & it didn’t take long for the connections to fall into place.
It started with my niece asking me the question as to whether Zeitgeist had any truth to it. So I set out to prove it wrong. I did find holes in the documentary but my personal research found too many similarities with many of the deities.
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 JWChange says:

 October 6, 2015 at 5:00 pm
 
A most excellent professionally made video clip. JWSurvey/Cedars and all the participants in this clip should be commended for a very LOUD impact statement. I hope it helps current JWs put their toe in the water and research TTATT.
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 Faded says:

 October 6, 2015 at 5:17 pm
 
This site means the world to me. Lloyd, I cannot begin to express my gratitude. It is so important that these horrible, fear inspiring lies are exposed! I’m struggling with my anger for having held to the beliefs for sooooo long. Thank you to you and all of the others who work along with you, for all that you do for the ex JW community. As you English say, ‘Cheers!’
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 6, 2015 at 11:28 pm
 
@Faded .. REALLY REALLY NICE APPRECIATIVE WORDS & SENTIMENTS!! .. I am from the UK &’ CHEERS to You!! …, AMERICAN ‘CHEERS’ was a Great Comedy Series!! So thank you my American friend for that !
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 ruthlee says:

 October 7, 2015 at 12:50 am
 
Hi all this is my MEGALOMANAIC moment. When you all anoint ME ME as the girl head honcho ive got a few changes.Seeing as the org is smelly rich i will dispose of it accordingly haha. All 8m can have 1m£ each,then they can all go pioneering.All df’d(they have records) can have 1m£each but no obligation to go pioneering.All peodophiles (those on their list) to donate their 1m£ to any charity of choice except WBTS.NO money to the lawyers they have a stash squirrelled away somewhere. And any one who has a reasonable claim for damages 1975 etc loss of education blah , petrol money, can all claim. I would break this cult with generosity.So when they meet their maker they may have a fighting chance.And we can all get on with our lives . NO squabbling ,no hard feelings,and no regrets. What do you think folks is that reasonable for a closet megalomaniac. I like that word today. ruthlee/ruthless
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 3:05 am
 
@Ruth Lee . You have made many Good Suggestions,Ruth . But The BEST THING I LIKE about your Comment is you SPELT.., MEGLOMANIAC with CAPITAL LETTERS!!! As you all know by NOW!’!!! … I am a BIG USER of CAPITALS ?!!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:07 am
 
@Ruth lee … SORRY to break it to you , But you SPELT … MEGLOMANIAC wrong … Sorry for being PEDANTIC but the ‘i’ goes before the ‘a’ …. !!!
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 7, 2015 at 6:58 am
 
Ah, but Ruthless only spelled it wrong once. YOU spelled it wrong TWICE, HAHAA! Get your act together, PB!!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 7:17 am
 
@JB Reezner .I Think you need to go to SPECSAVERS!!!

 
 
 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 7:26 am
 
@JB … Anyway LETTY has Told me I am GOING to HEAVEN & .. TONY said I can Spell MeGALoMIA ANYWAY I WANT !!!

 
 
 JB Reezner says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:33 am
 
Haha, okay I will let you off the hook then, PB. I mean, if ANYBODY has the copyright on the word MEGALOMANIAC, it’s Tony Tightass.
In fact, not only can the 7 WITCHES OF WARWICK SPELL it any way they want, they can even CHANGE the everlovin’ DEFINITION of it if they want! They have that power…

 
 
 
 
 
 
 ruthlee says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:37 am
 
Hi PB what you have to remember is that i’m clever but not educated because I followed the advice to not improve my life and wasted my opportunity to go to Oxford. Idimmed dumbed my life down to amoeba level daft eh and i don’t know where spell checker is on the computer. As for grammar I know iv’e annoyed folks with my quaint way of writing but glad you liked my nonsense for the day its as nonsensical as any thing else i heard at the c ass this weekend gone. NOTE to SELF MUST use CAPITALS more haha ruthlee
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 5:23 am
 
@Ruth lee . You have a point ,Ruth …. Let’s BLAME the GB for the POOR EDUCATION they Get because of the STUPID ADVICE to PIONEER or GO to BETHEL once we Reach 16 or so !!! Ruth I have PHONED … STEVEY !!… It’s Alright ME & LETTY are on First Name Terms so I am not being too familiar & STEVE Told me because your Spelling & Grammar has SUFFERED because of the GB STUPID Educational Policies … STEVEY is going to AWARD You £10 MILLION from the EXTRA DONATIONS the GB have Received from CHILDRENs ICE CREAM MONEY!! … I Bet your SOooo GLAD , ME & STEVEY are MATES!!!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 6:22 am
 
@Ruth lee . The CHEQUE will be in the POST… STEVEY has just sent it UPSTAIRS ? For FREDDY FRANZ to Sign!!!
 ALL You Lovely YANKS on this site .. PLEASE NOTE the CORRECT SPELLING for ‘CHEQUE’!!!!
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 ruthlee says:

 October 7, 2015 at 7:19 am
 
hooray hooray oh happy HAPPY day!!! I’m in raptures.tee hee rl
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 7:47 am
 
Q 2222222.4 Do u proms nt to yus spl cheque wen tippin on the ipad that u must now buy so dat you can reed all the socciety litriture. CPTALS CN B USD IN APRPRAITE PLCES four inapropriate fings two.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 8:10 am
 
@ Tara .., I MUST SAY …, your SPELLING & GRAMMAR is IMPROVING !!! … Just out of Curiosity ??? Is your Temporary??! Theocractic School Overseer .. David SPLANE by any chance ??? Tara , you seem to be OVERLAPPING your Vowels with your Consonants ;Also your Verbs with your Nouns . !!!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 8:13 am
 
@Tara . Please STILL ‘W’ on it ???. SPLANEY tells me That means Work on it ?? …

 
 
 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 8:35 am
 
‘GAWN! I is just a simple girl I am. I know nothin ’bout all these big worlds. Brought up by ‘Enry Iggins I was.

 
 
 
 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 8:40 am
 
@Tara … Enry iggins??? ..What did you say ‘My Fair Lady??’
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:19 pm
 
The rain, in Spain, stays mainly on the plain…. because if it hit Warwick, T3 would be twiddling his nob again!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Actigall Ur says:

 October 7, 2015 at 5:42 am
 
I have some exciting, but heart breaking, local news that many of you will be interested to hear about. I’ll try to keep it brief. Also, I have to change a few details to keep this confidential.
A young brother from a nearby hall that I am friends with texted me last night that he may be removed as an ——— and that he wanted me to know before the reasons why. Although we have had conversations in the past discussing our doubts, I never told him about my apostasy. In fact, in the last conversation we had I told him to stick around for as long as possible because “where else shall we go.” Shocking words, coming from me – I know. The reason I left it at that was because I must be very cautious as to what I say and honestly I can not trust anyone, even so called “friends.”
Now to the point: he told me his OWN F’ing FATHER (a self-righteous, arrogant son of B!) accused him of “corrupt apostate thinking” when he approached him about one of the things we talked about. I know after our conversation, he was withdrawn and just a different person. He started to go to my meeting instead of his for a while since he said he had changed his work schedule. I’m not sure how to approach this as that turned out to be a lie but I won’t hold it against him.
I know when I discovered the truth about this cult, I felt like my whole world just collapsed. Suddenly, everything I put so much time and effort into turned out to be a lie! Anyways you all know the feeling, so I have deep sympathy for him, especially since he does not know yet that I am an apostate. After all, what is HIS lie compared to the lie the WT continues to feed?!
Anyways, for the sake of saying too much, the book “Crisis of Conscience” may have saved him. Asking questions and bringing irrefutable evidence against this cult’s teachings is NOT ALLOWED. I suggest everyone reads that book. You can even find it in PDF on the net but believe me, this is a book you will want to cherish.
I still have not told him who I really am but I encouraged him that no matter what happens (including DF’ing if that happens) I will always be his friend and I WILL NOT SHUN HIM. I made that clear. I told him if he ever becomes depressed to please seek help immediately. I don’t think he is the suicidal type but knowing his father, he will kick him out of the house and on the street and HE WILL shun him. His mother might be a little more reasonable but the influence of that man is overwhelming. We shall see.
We’re supposed to hang out this weekend so I will be able to see what is really going on as you can’t derive “the deep thoughts of man” (LOL) from texts. I’m not doubting his situation, and I don’t want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist but I’m still going to be cautious about what I say. For now at least. Meanwhile, if all goes well, it seems my “planting of seeds of truth” (LOL) has helped another lost soul.
I would not have been able to do this if I were like one of these brave souls in the video.
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 7:54 am
 
It’s at times like this that I want to go get all these ones and, dare I say it… gather them together like a hen with her chicks…. the rug gets pulled, the walls come tumbling down and there seems no place or person to turn to. I hope he is ok. Its going to be hard for you too because no doubt you will feel some responsibility to this man. Is there any way you can scout out an emergency place for him to stay, just on the off chance he is kicked out?
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:04 am
 
@Tara- I do feel a certain responsibility towards him but I consider myself a surgeon, carefully performing a life saving operation and the patient was unwilling at first to take the hard medicine which will later save his life. He will thank me later for it. But to be fair, I believe he would have discovered the truth about this cult sooner or later. I might have saved him the best part of his life!
He didn’t say that he was kicked out of his house just yet or in need of anything but I told him that I will be there for him if he needs ANYTHING at all.
Like I said, I couldn’t sense any extreme sense of sadness through text messages alone but I can only imagine he must be hurt to have his own FATHER bring these accusations against him! At this point I don’t know all of the details since he was kind of vague (he was writing his girlfriend at the same time so…) I’ll see soon. I could TOTALLY see his father doing that to him though. His father is one of those do-no-wrong arrogant self-righteous holy rollers. He’d betray his own family for the sake of this cult. I’m sure of that. Ironically, and tragically at the same time, his father has stumbled so many people over the years it is not even funny. But of course, NOTHING ever happens to him because he is considered one of the holy pillars of faith in their congregation and holds a high position and various rolls (of domination, LOL). It’s a long story which I cannot mention in detail here (for obvious reasons) but be rest assured that this man is a man that Jesus would have cursed for being so evil. He is a modern day Pharisee and hypocrite. Thankfully his mother is one of the nicest people you could meet and is balanced. She probably kept things cool.
Last message he wrote was about hanging out this weekend. I said yes.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 7, 2015 at 8:01 am
 
Glad to hear he is awake and saddened that his outing will be so abrupt and not on his terms. Everyone needs to own a copy of crisis of consience. Downloading it as a pdf is great, but just looking at it in my book case next to all my WT literature helps me keep the right perspective when tempted to just cruise back into the Matrix. Send him our way if it comes to it and help him awaken gradually to keep dispair from kicking in. Life goes on and its a whole lot better without the Dogmatic chains around your neck. Remind him he’s reached his jubilee and should find joy in the adventure of life that awaits him. Remind him that the intense shock of being seperated from family eventually fades to a tolerable level. Have him watch Lloyd’s youtube channel to help with the nasty withdrawal symptoms. Good luck.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:21 am
 
Yes, I know for myself, finding out that my whole support system was a lie was devastating. But I faced the facts and began a new life. He too will do the same.
Crisis of Conscience was a book I heard rumors about when I was a Borg but never read because it was that “evil apostate material.” By the time I read that book I had already concluded this was an evil cult. That book merely solidified that vile fact. I too have a hard copy of it and recommend EVERY WITNESS READS IT ONCE. What do you have to lose? Your faith in a dangerous, lying cult?
It will be interesting to see how his whole family reacts! Again, I don’t have all the details just yet, but if this leads to a DF’ing then yes, his father WILL kick him out and shun him. His mother will still have contact with him, as she is more balanced but this will lead to problems. I’m not saying they will get divorced over this but who knows?
I’m hoping that he just gets privately reproved if anything at all. Then I will tell him to say to his father, “oh YES father, you WERE RIGHT” and just BS him do death. The key is to remain inside so you don’t lose your connections (and family). I’m going to make him my protege and train him to become a double agent. It’s quite exciting. I’m going to analyze his mental disposition this weekend. If I feel he is agent material, then I will tell him, “My name is Bond. James Bond.” :)
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 JWChange says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:24 am
 
Actigull UR, I agree with Tara and Robert. However ultimately it will be your friend’s decision whether to go cold turkey (DFd/DA) or to suck up for a few weeks and fade from the JW hallucinogenic ‘drug’. As far as the ‘where else do we go’ question, the answer is dependent on whether the question should be broken into 2 parts: (1) Can I cope with losing almost all my JW friends and family and (2) What will my belief system be post JW world?
Only your friend can answer Q1, however Q2 is easier for him to answer by watching / reading happy ex JWs on various websites (such as Cedar’s above clip) that range from Atheists to Born again/evangelical.
i personally believe in a Creator that caused or seeded life on Earth. My belief is a bit complicated and not for this thread. It gives me strength, however i do not believe there is one path/religion that is true. To use JW terminology, I am of the opinion ALL religion is Babylon the Great including the WTBTS. Although I am not a UU, this faith is probably the nearest to one an ex-JW can look into if they need ‘religion’. Personally I don’t.
i wish you and your friend all the best. Tell him to hang on in there.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 7, 2015 at 11:27 am
 
@JWChange- I quoted that clever phrase (“to whom shall we go”) the WT loves to use to claim that IT ALONE as the only way to God only to allay any possibility that I could be apostate after our discussion. As I said, I need to be very cautious.
I couldn’t care less if tomorrow he still believed in Jehovah or Jesus or any other god. What matters is that he sees that the current religion he associates with is a CULT.
Good for you. If you need a supernatural crutch to ease your internal conflicts or give you moral guidance, then more power to you. As for me, I am a man of logic and reasoning. I now believe, as I have held deeply for many years, that EVERYTHING that happens in the universe has a scientific explanation. There is no supernatural power directing things. IF there was, then I’d say this supernatural power is either dead or an evil piece of filth who I would never worship.
I live by this motto: IF there exists a god or gods and they are good, they will not care which path I chose so long as I were good to my fellow man and lived a noble life. If there are gods and they are evil, I would rather die than worship them. If there are no gods, I still want to live a noble life so that those who know me will keep me alive in their memory as a good man.
That is it.
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 8:44 am
 
Forgive me for going off topic but there was no where else to really mention this. Last night I was having a think – I do this occasionally. all this FDS stuff is really only mentioned once in the Bible isn’t it? Well, maybe Jesus was just telling us that ‘we’ are the FDS in our own households. My Mom and Dad – non witnesses btw, brought us up to have good morals etc etc. If Jesus came to our house back then I am sure he would have said ‘good job!’ Perhaps that is what he was getting at. We need to keep our own house clean to the best of our ability. If and when Jesus returns he can look at the family unit and say ‘hey, you guys really tried. well done.’ Instead of the GB trying to lord it over every family and screwing it up.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:31 am
 
@Tara Your Guess at F& D Slave can’t be any worse than the 5 DIFFERENT CHANGES to the Interpretation the PYGMY MIDGETS in Brooklyn have come up with since 1874 First it wasn’t RUSSELL ; then in 1910 it was RUSSELL ; Then in the Late 1920s Rutherford decides it wasn’t Russell but ALL the 144,000 then BINGO in 2013 it is only the 7 MENTAL MIDGETS in BROOKLYN !!
 So Tara you are PROBABLY MORE RIGHT than the GB will ever be!!!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 7, 2015 at 9:44 am
 
@Tara. That’s it right there. The word religion isn’t even in the Bible. Jesus tought “the way” to live life. He emphasized prayer, aquire knowledge of he and his father, but above all Love, Love, Love. Watchtower teaches hate, superiority complexes, judgement, policing, spying and saturated with lies. Jesus told the false teachers of the day that they originated from their father, the father of lies. The Watchtower Bible and Tract society has been exposed for lies after lies, deceit, manipulation, violations of human rights, mental and emotional torture all in Jesus name. “Get out from among them, unless you want to share in….
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 Jwpod says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:01 am
 
Interesting side note to this ….the term “little flock ” is only used 1x. Which raised question “who are you talking about ” which in answer j.c.talks about f.s., semi faithful s. And wicked s. But, he was talking about the apostles and disciples, back then…we just quietly changed that understanding with the “new” greatest man book released.last summer.
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 Jwpow says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:24 am
 
This is the.old slight of hand trick, but applied to the scriptures. .we use Matt 24:45, all eyes on that and.then with other hand cover over luke 12 as if its just a variation of “same” account..IT’S NOT.
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 Jwpow says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:50 am
 
Here’s another interesting fact..long long time ago when I was just wide eyed lad, I still could not figure out why John 10:16 at least didn’t have an application to the gentile christians…even though Paul makes same comments almost word for word in eph.2,
 Anyway …I Google searched that verse, low and behold we didn’t even get the top 3 listing for.it…nope, looks like old judge Rutherford borrowed from the Mormons.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:54 am
 
@JwPow .. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT !! LUKE 12 V42-48 shows 4 Possible Outcomes to the Faithful Slave or Steward !! But the 7 GB Twisters of Scripture only Focus on Matthew 24 v45-47 . WHEN ANYONE COMPARES the TWO ILLUSTRATIONS then it becomes APPARENT that ALL 8 MILLION JWs have been CONNED …. BIG TIME!!!
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 David says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:21 am
 
You are right Tara. Jesus is telling believers to keep on the watch. He used the example of the slave because having a slave was common in the Roman world. But the GB of the JWs have misinterpreted the Bible and applied the verse to them.
 But Christians are free. They are free to test every teaching and refuse any wrong teaching. The GB has robbed people of this freedom. You are not allowed to test but bend to 7 men. Either you say yes to everything or your family relations are seriously at risk.
 This is clearly opposite to Jesus view.
 Honestly it is impossible that they do it innocently, this is well planned. It is an excuse to exercise total control.
 Their behaviour is another example how humans can be intelligent but also extremely stupid causing extreme pain to innocent people.
 I am totally shocked at how people that study the Bible can be so blind.
 After all Jesus was rejected by the “visible organisation” of his time, by people who wrote the scripture. So you even if you study the Bible 24 hours a day you ca still be blind.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 11:50 pm
 
@ David .. I REALLY Like your POST ,Especially the comment about the Governing Body CANNOT be INNOCENT about what they are doing … IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL!!& Yes John 10v.16 is DEFINITELY about GENTILES becoming ONE FLOCK with JEWISH CHRISTIANS !! The GB Know this but Have TIED themselves into a Corner since RUTHERFORD came up with the IDEA in 1935 to tie it in with the GREAT CROWD being in An EARTHLY PARADISE instead of what RUSSELL taught about the Great Crowd being in heaven & IRONICALLY Rutherford taught the same CONCEPT of the GREAT CROWD being in HEAVEN until 1935 !! A Lot of this was probably CLAYTON WOODWORTHs Input as he was Editor of Awake formerly Golden Age & Consolation until 1947 & Woodworth was Co -Editor of The FINISHED MYSTERY’ the most UTTER INSANE WRITINGS Known to Mankind ??
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 7, 2015 at 11:50 am
 
@Tara- If I could give you a giant hug through this computer screen I would! You are probably the closest to the truth of the bible’s message than the GB will EVER be.
Who says that THEY ALONE have the power to interpret what verse in the bible should be taken as literal and what verse is figurative? The GB says so! Why? Because without THEIR HOLY SPIRIT GUIDED INTERPRETATIONS we would never know that WE NEED THEM! LOL Without THEM, we would have never known that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE! ROTFLMAO! :) :) :)
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BUT TARA REMEMBER THIS- ***********EVERY BIBLE SCHOLAR, RESEARCHER, HISTORIAN, MUSEUM CURATOR, ANTHROPOLOGIST, ANTIQUITIES DIRECTOR, JEWISH RABBI, ARCHAEOLOGIST and ENCYCLOPAEDIST THE WORLD OVER IS WRONG ABOUT THE DATE OF JERUSALEM’S DESTRUCTION– EXCEPT FOR THE 7 TALKING HEADS IN BROOKLYN!************
Pretty AMAZING how BLESSED JEHOVAH’S PEOPLE ARE TO HAVE SUCH MEN ON EARTH! BUT ARE THEY REALLY MEN? NO! They are MORE than MEN! They are going to be IMMORTAL! THEY ARE ALMOST GOD LIKE! Just LOOK at their statuesque BODIES, their FLOWING hair and broad powerful NECKS. SO GODLIKE! There is ALMOST a LIGHT GLOWING around their heads like they ARE ANGELS! WHY YES TARA! These MEN are ANGELS!
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PHEW! Got carried away in the thought of their holiness!
Circular reasoning is a specialty of the GB. Then again, circular reasoning is a specialty of every charlatan and fraud the earth over so it goes to show you…
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm
 
Wow I feel like I got a gold star at school – yay me lol. I am just sick of them interpreting every scripture with the ‘Why, that must be us! gee, aren’t we the important ones’.
Jesus was humble, so shouldn’t we be? I’m just going to look after my own household and teach them morals and to be truthful and loving. I’ll start by feeding the cats. BTW I except hugs :)
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 12:05 am
 
@ Actigall Ur . I AM GLAD you got Carried Away.. You Made so many GOOD Points about the GB Manipulating the 607 B.C. Figure to suit THEIR AGENDA ! The Evidence is Highly Stacked against the GB , BUT the GB KNOW if they Admit 607 B.C is WRONG then 1919 date is WRONG !! Which means NO 1919 … Jesus couldn’t have chosen them as F&D Slave because they weren’t providing Food at Proper time !!
 IF 1914 & 1919 is WRONG then the START of LAST DAYS is WRONG & Also the Time when JESUS Invisible Presence in Kingdom Power !!
 But as Tome Goes on ,the NEXT 10,20,30 years the LIES & DECEIT & MANIPULATION will be SEEN by the Majority & the GB will be like SCIENTOLOGY with about 50,000 HARDCORE MENTALLY DAMAGED People Left in it ! I think all of us know one or two in each congregation who have this personality!
 By the way … I LIKE YOUR USE of CAPITALS!!!
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 rob says:

 October 7, 2015 at 10:06 am
 
In my opinion the witness religion are the pharisees but unfortunately because they feel that they are saved and above and beyond everyone else, they just don’t see it.
Elitism, cliquiness, rule oriented, nepotism, and cover ups, are all words that could be used to describe what goes on in this religion. Everything that Jesus was against.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 12:09 am
 
@Rob .. ALL VALID POINTS you have made!!
 The GB Are the MODERN DAY PHARISEES!
 Sums it up Really!
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 Ted says:

 October 7, 2015 at 1:19 pm
 
Tara,
 Your delightfully uncomplicated explanation of the FDS parable,
 in my humble opinion, contains the essence of Jesus allegory.
My dictionary describes a “Parable”. As a fictitious tale, to
 illustrate a moral or a spiritual principle.” No indication
 whatsoever of prophecy, which would prefigure actual events.
Your simple description was the way we were taught it, as
 children in Sunday School. As a straightforward lesson to
 remain “Faithful” to Jesus and his teachings through-out life.
But Jesus instructions, as well as the complete Bible have
 been hijacked by a group of egocentric men. Who have
 complicated and corrupted them, and brazenly given
 themselves the authority to change them at their whim.
Best wishes, Ted.
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:36 pm
 
:) I remember the elders once saying that man tries to look at the Bible and over complicates it. That gods word is right there before us. The GB are no different. They have hidden the simplicity of it behind their doctrines. Which they are meant to be guardians of lol.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 11:31 pm
 
@Ted … That’s Exactly the point .. The GB have CREATED a PROPHECY about the F&D Slave where there is none … It is just an ILLUSTRATION !
 Simple Really just like Jesus intended .
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 Grace says:

 October 7, 2015 at 3:25 pm
 
I was having a cry last night to my husband because one of my closest friends who is much younger than me who would be my daughters age, texted me the other day. She’s the daughter of an Elder & became very close to us, she basically adopted us as aunt/uncle/big sis/big bro. We’ve watched her grow up & turn into a beautiful young lady/wife. She wrote that she is REALLY missing me to have someone to talk to & thinks about me all of the time. I know that she’s being genuine because we had many private talks about things (when we were still in), she found it hard to make genuine friends inside this awful cult.
She spent many times at our place & we had lots of laughs together. I don’t know if we have been marked but I know that she has been told to stay away from us. She would often get down about stuff & needed someone that she could just be herself around. I know that she hasn’t found anyone like us since we left. I told her that I missed her too (but I was careful about how I worded things back). I told her that I have seen her around & always thought how much I love her & miss her in my life. She truly did fill a void when our daughter died.
It just made me angry that I can’t have a friendship with her because of this damned cult. I live in hope that she may see why we left but being a born in, I don’t want to be the one to show her the way out, I suppose I don’t want to be responsible for the devastation that comes with waking up. I at least have a different frame of reference to her about life outside having been raised a Catholic. I still find it hard adapting to life outside yet I have a fantastic support system of people that I’ve opened up to that are really understanding. I don’t know how born-ins find their way in the world when that is all that they have ever known.
Anyway, it got me thinking about the biggest mistake that those 7 family wrecking offspring of vipers have done & that is; YOU NEVER COME BETWEEN A MAN OR WOMAN & THEIR FAMILY!!! PERIOD!!! It’s like backing a tiger into a corner, their going to strike back. Now that there’s a growing number of those that have been alienated from their families, they have created a refugee camp. But that camp has grown mighty in numbers.
I feel better now that I got that off my chest. At least this website is here for venting & coming together for therapy.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 11:26 pm
 
@Grace.. You Make SO MANY BEAUTIFUL POINTS in Your Remarks .., I Would like to FRAME your POST & PUT it on EVERY KINGDOM HALL NOTICE BOARD in the WORLD . My Heart goes out to you & that young sister ! & you MAKE a REALLY GOOD POINT…. The 7 Contortionists of Brooklyn have made a BIG BIG ERROR in SEPARATING FAMILIES by SHUNNING .., as YOU EXCELLENTLY SAY… A ‘ REFUGEE CAMP of VERY ANGRY TIGERS???
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 ruthlee says:

 October 8, 2015 at 8:37 am
 
What God has yoked together let NO man put apart. that means the offspring of that pairing too. ruthlee
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 Grace says:

 October 8, 2015 at 12:58 pm
 
I’m breaking into song now,
“I used to bite my tongue and hold my breath
 Scared to rock the boat and make a mess
 So I sat quietly, agreed politely
 I guess that I forgot I had a choice
 I let you push me past the breaking point
 I stood for nothing, so I fell for everything…
I got the eye of the tiger, a fighter
 Dancing through the fire
‘Cause I am a champion,
 and you’re gonna hear me roar
 Louder, louder than a lion
‘Cause I am a champion, and you’re gonna hear me roar! oh oh oh oh oh oh oh.”
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 8, 2015 at 3:01 pm
 
Beautiful thoughts in your initial comment above, Grace! And now you’ve brought Katy Perry into the mix, which is something we can ALL agree on as being GREAT, lol. (For those that don’t love her, just go crawl back into the cold, dark spider hole you crept out of!)
You mentioned having a good cry in your comment. When you’re ready for another one (a nice one) have a look at this: https://youtu.be/QX-xToQI34I –If you’re not crying by time marker 6:35, you will be within a few seconds after it.
Relevance? After escaping the clutches of our little cult, we find that charities and seeking cures for things ailing the children of this world are actually WORTHWHILE endeavors, rather than mere acts of futility. And being able to actually CARE about the world around us? Well that’s something to dance about, like the beautiful apostates in the video :)
Okay, maybe a clumsy point, but enjoy the video, lol.
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 Grace says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:07 pm
 
Thanks JB,
The link you gave me won’t let me watch it here in Australia. Dam shame when that happens because I always feel like I miss something when others post things that I can’t watch.
You’re all considered my friends here. I tell hubby that I have to check in with what you’re all saying. I read them out to him at brekky while we’re having a cuppa together having a chin wag & a giggle about the 7 crooked men.

 
 
 JB Reezner says:

 October 8, 2015 at 5:31 pm
 
Drat! Yes, it’s a very sweet little video with an autistic girl singing with Katy Perry, with a little about the girl in the beginning. Maybe if you look up “Katy Perry, Jodi DiPiazza Sing at Night of Too Many Stars”, you will be able to find a version you can watch.
And say “Hello” to hubby from JB! I can hear him now, “Who thaa HELL is that??” :)

 
 
 
 
 
 Meredith J says:

 October 9, 2015 at 2:20 am
 
You are so right Grace. When I and my husband and kids became Witnesses we had to cut ourselves off from our families that we had known all our lives. The Watchtower demanded that we stay separate from them as they had to be bad association. What a load of hogwash. My dear mother was as gentle as a lamb and I knew it deep down.
How dare they have demanded we keep separate from our family. Goodness knows the hurt they suffered?The years of keeping away from them must have been terrible. It was terrible for us I know that. The wasted time not hanging out with them I hate to think about. When I finally came to my senses my mother had dementia. I could not get back what I lost.
Those of us who came out of the ‘world’ suffered the whole time we were involved with the cult because we were missing our real flesh and blood families. That was not fun.
So sorry Grace, to hear about your daughter. That must have been such a lot to bear.
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 Reader says:

 October 7, 2015 at 3:43 pm
 
F&DS literal hmm??,
 Are there 5 virgins with large containers of flammable fuel and 10 naked flames sleeping somewhere in Brooklyn.
 Could explain the haste to move?
 There are seven of these cautionary pictures given.
 If one is prophetic, all 7 are.
 If one is a parable, all 7 are.
 If one is illustrative, all 7 are.
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 Jwpow says:

 October 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm
 
Oh, shucks your taking all the fun outta it. I like to mix and match my reality with metaphoric hyperbole.
 Kinda like Rodgers rabbit meets celeb and sophia.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 7, 2015 at 11:14 pm
 
@Reader.. EXCELLENT REASONING !! The 7 CONTORTIONISTS of BROOKLYN … DISTORT ??? Literal & Symbolic Terminology at the Flick of a Switch… Carrying on from your examples they do the same in the REVELATION with the 144,000 being LITERAL in the GB Eyes BUT the 12 TRIBES of Israel are NOT Literal according to the GB & being called VIRGINS is NOT LITERAL ,But according to the GB the number 144,000 is Literal … Then Again ??? NOW PONDERING on STEPHEN LETTS???? … He HAS GOT TO BE A VIRGIN ???
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 12:21 am
 
I know this is MILDLY ???OFF TOPIC? .. But WHO of the 7 Contortionists of Brooklyn GB are REALLY VIRGINS?? … I Really like MEDITATING on the Book of Revelation as it ENHANCES ??? My Spirituality & Draws me CLOSE to the F&D SLAVE !!
 I AM SURE ?? NONE of YOU that POST on this Site have ANY Thoughts on this DEEP TOPIC as I am on a MORE SPIRITUAL PLANE than you LOT?? … I SPEAK to FREDDY & NATHAN & JOSEPH & RUSS Daily ! …. It’s Alright I call Charles … Russ for short as we do talk on an hour to hour basis!!
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 Tara says:

 October 8, 2015 at 6:44 am
 
Def. T3 stands to reason… tight pants n all that and as a really ‘orrible man once said ‘Says so in the Scriptures’. (name that book/series)
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 Jackson says:

 October 8, 2015 at 1:49 am
 
What you said is something I have always thought about myself. All must be literal or all must be parables. But when you are so brain washed as a Jdub you can not see 2 feet in front of you. I am so angry right now I am thinking very bad thoughts. Got to get ready for the gym now. Maybe that will help kool me down.
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 Tara says:

 October 7, 2015 at 7:30 pm
 
Doing da rebel dance, oh yeah, oh yeah… not at meeting, oh yeah, oh yeah, don’t care, don’t care….. doing da rebel dance….
Look at me, at home watching drivvel on Netflix and drinking wine BAHAHAHAHA.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 9, 2015 at 5:31 am
 
@Tara … CHILL OUT GIRL!!… You Sound Like a DRUNKEN SHEEP… BAAAaaaa
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 Innocent Son says:

 October 8, 2015 at 2:38 am
 
Wow Lloyd this site just gets better and better! So much love and positive energy being generated, so many different posts to read. No wonder the Borg monitor this site, well get ready G B your Organisation is starting to implode! Many, many more honest hearted ones will be awakened and leave this cruel divisive cult. 7 men in designer suits squirming in their plush office chairs , trying to halt to the breech!!! Good luck with that, as the song says you’re ‘ Going Down ‘
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 8, 2015 at 6:25 am
 
@Innocent son- A little more than 2 years ago, shortly before my awakening as a brainwashed loyal Borg, a brother from a European country sent me an obscure email stating that there have been rumors circulating in some congregations that Jehovah’s organization was experiencing inner turmoil and dissidence and bleeding both money and members and that we should ignore these rumors as “apostate lies.” (Of course, bad news is always lies! LOL). I knew both him and his wife as missionaries and loyal Borgs…. oh I mean “servants” but I didn’t pay much attention to any of it as I was getting probably 25+ emails on a daily basis about this that and the other thing in the organization.
Fast forward 2+ years. What exactly do we see occurring right now? Exactly what that email told us to ignore! I was going to mention a side story I just remembered but it’s too complicated to write the whole thing and I have to get back to work but in summary, that zealous missionary brother who wrote the email warning us not to believe “apostate lies” is no longer a JW and is now divorced! From his Facebook posts, I don’t think he is going to be coming back any time soon.
Jeezus! How the tables turn!
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:06 am
 
When I was a regular pioneer…for many years…I used to reason with people on the ministry saying….’if you believe the bible then doesnt it make sense to look a your religion and test it against the things taught in the bible?’…it was usually very successfull….now its the last thing they want us every day r and f to do…. where on earth would you find the solid reasoning for the wierd and wonderful ‘overlapping generations’…where would be the sound reasoning for ‘shunning’ to the vicious extent it is used now..(it was much less constrictive in the 70s on this matter)…where is the real reasoning for not celebrating another year of life…and on and on and on and on….I got baptised at 13 and now Im 57 and still trapped…because of the blind obedience and Nazi like edicts of this cult…..Iv used my critical reasoning faculties now though…and gradually though an undercover fader I find myself getting less depressed and less scared….dont throw away your powers of reason…dont give anyone blind obedience…and never give up control of your mind…thank you all for this non judgmental forum of sound reasoning!
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 8, 2015 at 5:50 am
 
@Idontknowhatodo- Your words bring tears to my eyes. I was there too, I did full time — for – years. I know at the time, I really believed what I was teaching to others was THE TRUTH, despite having serious doubt about certain key doctrines such as Jerusalem’s destruction in 607 (the biggest lie), shunning, birthday celebrations, who the great crowd and other sheep are, Jesus’ parable of the faithful slave, and of course if we really are in the last days. But again, being a good LOYAL JW, I didn’t want to impose my questioning on others lest I stumble others and be branded “apostate!”
By the way, you are not trapped. Remember that FEAR is the driving force of this cult. Do not fear anyone!
May I ask you what your current standing in the congregation is?
If you’re active and in good standing, use that to help others. Send anonymous emails to everyone you know questioning the 607 lie or the latest overlapping generations lie. Plant seeds of TRUTH in their minds so they can use their reasoning abilities to find out what they need to know! I have several other tactics which I am using and they seem to be working. Some are actually FUN and the responses are priceless! For obvious reasons, I can’t mention them here. Use your imagination! :)
My awakening was fully actuated about 2 years ago. Since then I have been experiencing BS sensory overload! Once though, that initial step of searching for the TRUTH about “the truth” began, everything fell into place. I went though the various stages of shock – denial – sadness – emptiness – violent outrage – acceptance. However, I have made it my mission to have a helping hand in bringing down this cult and exposing it for what it is. And it is personal. Believe me. These #$!%@ pissed off the wrong dude.
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 Tara says:

 October 8, 2015 at 6:47 am
 
Don’t upset the Wookie
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 Reader says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:54 pm
 
Gentile times,
 If they run to 1914 from a bce date, shouldn’t they be adjusted?
 Because Jesus did say he could request ‘legion’s of angels’, beside some other items which suggest there might be a pause in the gentile times?
 If so add 34 years to 1914.
 Curious eh….
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 Holly Chu says:

 October 8, 2015 at 5:10 pm
 
My kind thoughts are with you. I spent many years defending the Org. One of many final straws was going on a Bible Study with another sister. The student was incredibly intelligent but also looking for insight into the Bible. Her pointed questions and pure puzzlement over our “explanations” made me realize once and for all this is total nonsence.
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 ruthlee says:

 October 8, 2015 at 9:04 am
 
With reguards to shunning had a great conversation with my hubby today slowly slowly releasee monkey. We were talking about greetings. We were down on the beach lots of different languages.We got onto the subject of the old german expression GrussGott (meaning hello and goodbye). In English we say Goodbye.(meaning God be with you). Maybe these old remnants of polite exchange that we stiil use were what was implied in the Bible.That is when you meet a known breaker of the rules just dont say a Godly greeting to him. Don’t bless him, rather treat him as one of the nations in that you would be polite and say a common greeting which we would say “Morning” and nod the head. Ireally do not think it meant annihilating the persons character,soul being, life by treating him as dead. It does not make sense,however if the sinner knew every time a brother saw him and did’t bless him it would be a reminder of his condition without continuosly reminding him of the sin. Just a thought. And i will repeat myself What God has yoked together let NO man put apart.This rotten religion has delighted in tearing apart the fabric of the family so now that it is in tatters there is no consolation Done good Done the Devil’s work for him. For shame for shame. ruthlee/ruthless
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 rob says:

 October 8, 2015 at 10:51 am
 
Shunning is a form of abuse and as indicated many times on this forum, violates an individual’s basic human rights.
Shunning is cruel, reduces an individual to a subhuman level, and is simply not Christian.
A truly spiritual person would not engage in or condone this type of behavior.
As indicated in the Bible, religion may divide people, which in my opinion is ok because people can agree to disagree about any matter and can be divided on various issues and still continue to have a normal relationship, but this religion doesn’t just divide families, it destroys families. To me that is a red flag that tells me that the witness religion is not directed by God.
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 Ted says:

 October 8, 2015 at 12:58 pm
 
“Shunning is cruel, reduces an individual to a subhuman level, and is simply not Christian.” Rob, your absolutely right. JWs , in many cases fail to
 recognise that there is a law that “Supersedes all other Laws” and rules
 out applying any Bible command in a way that results in harm to another
 human being. Whether it be shunning, denying a life saving
 transfusion or anything else. Romans, 13:8-10.
 Best Wishes, Ted
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 Gameisover says:

 October 8, 2015 at 1:05 pm
 
Shunning is what the farisees did. Jesus instead surrounded himself with people who were outcasts in that society.
 The word is out here that the door-to-door ministry will
 soon disappear. In that case, it makes sense they would scrap the TMS.
 Calling those who leave “apostates” has become a dreaded
 thing. Apostates are considered worse than any other
 motive for being disfellowshipped. The word in itself SCARES everyone.
 Could we call ourselves something else?
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 Tara says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:51 pm
 
I used to think the same. Now it makes me think of a group of courageous human beings who stand up for what they believe it. tag me with it if you want but I will hold my head up and tell the world with pride why I have that label.
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 anonymous says:

 October 8, 2015 at 2:22 pm
 
All of us who were Witnesses and shunned anybody who was disfellowshipped, were in effect, facilitators of abuse and didn’t even realize it. We were enablers of the narcissistic “slave”.
If we hadn’t shunned and all gone along with the shunning, it would have come to a stop. But we went along with it and our eyes were blind to the pain we were inflicting on the shunned. Our ears were deaf to the cries of the suffering and our mouths were mute because we didn’t speak up.
Why didn’t I speak up? That was the question that I had to ask myself That was a reason for it. What was the reason?
I had closed my mind to the pain that my shunning had on others until I am now the one that is being shunned. I am now wondering why won’t anybody listen to me to find out my side of why I am not going to meetings anymore and why they gave a marking talk about me? Why don’t they want to know what my problem is with the Watchtower Society?
I had been led to believe that when I became one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, that all those people at the Kingdom Hall were now my “family”. They were supposed to love me like my own family. They were supposed to replace the family that I left behind. I was a faithful Witness for fifty years, going to meetings and service all that time. When I was going to meetings and service, they acted like thy really loved me, so why won’t any of those people who supposedly were my “family” and “friends” even acknowledge what happened to me?
The fact that nobody who was supposedly my “family” seems to not care about me anymore, left me in a constant state of questioning why. As long as that question was not answered, I could not rest. I had to know. I did it too. I shunned those same people who had been my friends. Why won’t any of those people that I thought “loved” me, not stand up for me, even my closest friends? I had to dig deep in my consciousness to find the answer.
Even after I left off going to meetings because I one hundred percent knew that God could never be behind the Watchtower Society because of all the lies they tell, I was still feeling abused mentally because of the fact that nobody at all was standing up for me. Was it a lack of character or integrity on my part? Is that why nobody is standing up for me? I don’t think so.
That is not the reason why I enabled the Society’s shunning policy to influence me to shun my fellow brothers and sisters.
What it really was, was that I dismissed and abandoned my own honesty and conscience for the approval of men. I allowed myself to be corrupted. It was cowardly and shameful and it showed that I had a weak character. I didn’t stand up for what I should have realized was evil. I was an enabler of abuse and I am deeply ashamed of myself for not having listened to my inner feelings. I should have listened to my gut but I let myself be bribed by the inheritance of the “new world” and the approval of men.
I prostituted myself to the Watchtower for a reward, the same as a prostitute sells her body for money. A person who looks for approval from men, more than he longs for the welfare of his brothers and sisters, is a moral prostitute. That desire for approval from men, can override a clean conscience towards those people who should be our closest and dearest friends and relatives.
So, those who are feeling that pain from the abuse of shunning have to realize, it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with them. Those who have abandoned you, have sold themselves for a bribe. They have prostituted themselves for a reward, the same as a streetwalker. They have devalued their integrity. What they are doing is repugnant and cowardly.
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 8, 2015 at 8:18 pm
 
Anonymous, your comment is one of the most poignant things I’ve ever read on this site. There are varying opinions among us here regarding the subject of responsibility, but your words exquisitely represent the position of someone who rightly accepts that there are things that, even as brainwashed Witnesses, we should have never gone along with.
That’s not to say that the fact we were brainwashed shouldn’t mitigate ‘some’ of the guilt we carry. It should. And there are certainly those who deserve a much greater share of the responsibility than we do for the harm that has come as a result of the unconscionable shunning (and other) policies of the Org.
But I appreciate that you don’t feel like you were an entirely different person during your time in the Org, so that now you’re merely taking back ownership of your body now that that other person is gone.
I think accepting responsibility is a healthy way to move on. I believe remembering what we have been capable of in the past provides more of an incentive to never repeat the mistakes we’ve made.
That’s not to say that we should allow ourselves to be crushed by feelings of guilt. We just have to keep a balanced view of the past, and let it help us make a better future for ourselves, as better people.
Thank you again for your beautifully honest comment, and I truly wish you the best, and only happiness for your future.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 11:27 pm
 
@Anonymous . I must say an ELOQUENT POST about SHUNNING & the Responsibility we ALL have been Guilty of because of the EDICTS of 7 FALLIBLE MEN !
 HAPPILY Last month I Put some of that Guilt behind me . A DISFELLOWSHIPPED ELDER & PIONEER who I had known from my Pioneer days in the 1980s crossed my Path in the street! I Walked Straight up to him & SHOOK HIS HAND! It was RISKY because it was in our territory & any JW could have driven past! BUT I am GLAD I spoke to him for about 40 minutes. He said to me ‘You Know I am STILL DISFELLOWSHIPPED ,But I am thinking of COMING BACK!!!!
 Well, Happily after discussing with him the FLIP FLOP Policies of the GB & the HIDDEN CHILD ABUSE & then he Proceeded to tell me the BAD ARROGANT ATTITUDE of a Circuit Overseer that he & I knew years ago & what went on behind the Scenes . Anyway at the end of the discussion He said I had CHANGED HIS MIND & instead he was going to train as a Counsellor to help young people because when he was an Elder he loved helping people ! So the Organisation is LOSING a LOT of the DECENT JWs because they see through the LIES & HYPOCRISY of the 7 BUSINESS MEN in BROOKLYN !!
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 9, 2015 at 11:31 am
 
Fantastic, Pickled Brain! I applaud this victory in the fight against the vampires running the Org. I hope your acquaintance will indeed move on with his life and never devote another second to the service of this wretched cult. Very good work, my friend :)
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 Ted says:

 October 8, 2015 at 3:17 pm
 
Anonymous.
 Just going back in this thread a little. Thanks for the
 additional evidence regarding the false date of 607 BCE
I looked it up and have put it in my little black book of
 quotes that come in useful when my Brother in Law
 Elder visits. He admitted after one particular shoot out
 that we had, that the GB were false prophets. But after
 57 years as a JW, and most of his in laws involved in it
 I don’t think he has the will to follow through on it.
 ( Unlike you dear lady). Best Wishes Ted.
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 anonymous says:

 October 8, 2015 at 3:48 pm
 
Ted, I tried to show that to my husband but he refused to look at it. At least your Brother in Law admitted that the GB are false prophets. That’s something anyway. Best wishes to you too.
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 Jason wilkie says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:17 pm
 
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have been struggling throughout my awaking with the lable “apostate”, however, after watching this video(and balling my eyes out) I am proud to stand up and say: “I AM AN APOSTATE AND I LOVE JWs!”
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 11:29 pm
 
@Jason . MANY Know How you Feel!!
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:17 pm
 
@Jason- Oh man, I wish I could give you a hug! Don’t feel bad about being labeled an apostate by false prophets! Be proud! When the false prophet calls YOU an apostate then you are on the right side!
May I ask you, are you DF’d?
If not then please considering staying in the “active publisher” ranks so you can help others get out!
If you are DF’ed, I’m sure you still have contacts by email and cell numbers! Write them questions about 607 BCE and other lies! Let them do some research! When they do, they will uncover the ugly truth!
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 anonymous says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:18 pm
 
When the Watchtower puts in print that “apostates” are mentally diseased, they are trying to destroy that person’s reputation in the community and in the congregation and in their own families. The purpose of that defamation of a person’s reputation is deliberate. The Watchtower Organization has perfected the practice of word murder to a science.
The Watchtower Organization targets their own people, which is the most repulsive to a normal person’s thinking but it means nothing to the Watchtower Organization if a person’s reputation has been smeared by marking talks and disfellowshipping. It means nothing to the Watchtower if that person commits suicide because of it.
The cowardly “slave” will delude themselves with their imagined standing with God and engage in direct slanderous attacks on anyone who doesn’t share in that delusion and calls them on it.
If the Society’s elders or henchmen are too cowardly to call the “apostate” in to disfellowship him directly, then they will give “marking” talks about them. These cowardly attacks are non-direct with whisper campaigns. The intent is the same, to mentally murder that person with slander and like the cowards that they are, their weapons of choice will be words and all the while posing as pious and saintly.
Any of us who have either disassociated ourselves or been disfellowshipped directly or even faded have been the victim of of slander by the ones who were supposed to be our family our friends.
It is almost incomprehensible for a normal person to understand how people can be so evil, but especially when you realize that it’s the people who are the closest to them who are the very ones that these people will go after to destroy them if that person doesn’t worship them with the adulation that they so much have to have.
These people have no consciences. They have no love. It is only when we see the real people for what they really are, that it finally dawns on us, just how evil these people can be. Sometimes it takes decades. It did me. But I am glad I found out now, instead of later.
I’d rather not be in the dark one more day when it comes to these people who run the Watchtower. They are evil and every day, I am hoping that more and more people see them for what they really are and not for what they pretend to be.
It needs to be exposed for all to see so that it can be stopped dead in it’s tracks before it destroys one more person’s life. All lives are precious and the Watchtower destroys lives. It doesn’t make lives better. It destroys lives. It destroys families.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:23 pm
 
@Anonymous- WOW! GREAT COMMENT! And yes, I do know how it is. I have finally come to the conclusion that when the bible speaks about “False Prophets” and “speaking with a forked tongue” I know it is talking about ANY evil cult that PRETENDS to represent GOD and speaks about LOVE LOVE LOVE love love love LOVE and LOVE all day long yet INTENTIONALLY BREAKS FAMILIES APART AND CAUSES SO MUCH SUFFERING THAT PEOPLE WOULD RATHER DIE!
Yeah, I’m sure Jesus would approve! LOL
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 Ted says:

 October 8, 2015 at 4:49 pm
 
Anonymous.
 A powerful heart searching statement. I understand your
 regrets. I have sat on committees that have disfellowshipped
 people who needed not punishment, but compassion and
 help, not more misery piled on them.
I am truly sorry for those things, and if it were possible to
 replay them my part in them would be vastly different.
 If we learn from our wrong actions and become better people,
 then something valuable has been salvaged from our past.
The initial mistake I made, and you allude to to it also. Was
 surrendering my conscience and reason to others, coming
 under their control. But we’ve snapped out of it, it’s all in the
 past. Best to leave it there and move on.
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 Holly Chu says:

 October 8, 2015 at 5:32 pm
 
Ted, your comment “I have sat on committes that have disfellowshipped people who needed not punishment, but compassion and help, not more misery piled on them” is the most insightful, succinct description of the experiences I have heard of the kangaroo court called the J W Judicial Committee. The whole process is barbarous with the final outcome even worse. In most cases these people are in pain and distress and need a loving “shepard”. Hah! GOOD LUCK!
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 Holly Chu says:

 October 8, 2015 at 5:37 pm
 
Shepherd I meant
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 Holly Chu says:

 October 8, 2015 at 5:57 pm
 
Ted, on a softer note, your apology was beautifully written and obviously extremely heartfelt. Thank you for doing that.
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 Wild Olive says:

 October 8, 2015 at 8:01 pm
 
I came to the conclusion that my JW beliefs where wrong when I became an elder and found myself having to maintain policy’s that I knew weren’t scriptural ie disfellowshipping, handling child abuse,elevating the organization to sacred status,teaching changing truths that had to be discarded, to name a few.
 However the brotherhood still have to be admired for their humility and attempts at being spiritual, and that remains my concern, how to give true support to good people without tearing their belief system to pieces?
 It’s easy to critisize and fault find,but the Christian message is still going out and Christ is still looking for those who belong to him, and many JWs display a good heart despite the GB trying their best to interfere in that process.
 It’s not over till the fat lady sings,I feel many who have left will be the ones who are going to help those in when the reality of what’s going on is undeniable, the ARG in Australia is a good example of this,so while it’s easy to be negative, a TRUE Christian is going to show love no matter what the circumstance,I believe this to be the challenge that faces everyone on this site that knows TATT, Jesus helped those in need despite the fear and intimidation of the Pharisees who were the governing body of Israel , can we be the same as Jesus ?
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 ruthlee says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:29 am
 
It will be their great tribulation if they don’t wake up first. The dubs will mourn and cry for their precious lifestyle ,not that God’s name was defamed or that they demoted Jesus.Ive thought long and hard about those trapped in the tower and like when we were vulnerable and became trapped let’s hope there will be a window of opportunity to escape before the crumbling tower finally collapses.Who knows it might be a scarlet cord moment. ruthlee
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 9, 2015 at 4:36 am
 
@Wild Olive .. I thought Long & Hard about your comment because sometimes I ADMIT .. My Fingers Typing are more often than Not .. FASTER Than My BRAIN . I Like your KIND & REASONED Style of Commenting & I presume when you Refer to the ‘ BROTHERHOOD ‘ as being Spiritual & Humble , you Meant the Ordinary ‘Rank & File ‘ & NOT the GB & I would Totally Agree that MOST Brothers & Sisters are Genuine Humble & Decent People !
 The point you make about ‘Tearing Down Their Belief System’ …. Well Jesus did TEAR DOWN The Pharasaical ORGANISATION of the Ordinary Jewish Persons of his Day … In Fact JESUS RIPPED IT APART … Hook , Line & Sinker!! He OPENLY & BLUNTLY TRASHED the Pharasaical Organisation Apart in front of Ordinary ‘RANK & FILE ‘ JEWS by Calling them WHITEWASHED GRAVES FULL of DEAD MENS BONES& Told the Pharisees they were from their FATHER … THE DEVIL !!
 SO I Presume the PARALLEL would be US here on this site to try & imitate Jesus & CONDEMN These 7 GB PHARISEES for what they are ??
 I AGREE with you & Sometimes it will be VERY VERY PAINFUL & MENTALLY DEVASTATING to have our Whole BELIEF STRUCTURE DESTROYED , But the Alternative is MILLIONS will be Dragged into this CULT & Millions more CHILDREN BORN IN Not finding out until HALF their LIVES are wasted .
 If I am WRONG in my comment I am willing to be corrected because what I like about this site is that WE CAN ALL DISAGREE with One Another yet Remain Friends & NOT BE SHUNNED … UNLIKE the WATCHTOWER ORGANISATION !!
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 Robert67 says:

 October 9, 2015 at 9:00 am
 
Hold me back!, hold me back!
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 JB Reezner says:

 October 8, 2015 at 9:12 pm
 
Did I detect a little Watchtowerese at the tail end of that comment, Wild Olive?? Ewwwww…
You can hope for a delicate awakening for those in the Org, but there will be no dodging the harsh reality that the time, money and effort they sacrificed to this cult was utterly wasted. And even if you leave a framework of Christianity intact, there will still be a very large part of their belief system that WILL necessarily be torn to pieces.
But, as you say, there are many good people still in there. So I hope that they can get out with as little trauma as possible.
Pickled Brain is our resident expert at techniques of gentle persuasion. When he gets back on here, I’m sure he will be able to offer a suggestion or two of how to best reach our friends who are still in the clutches of the Org. :)
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 8, 2015 at 11:40 pm
 
@JB Reezner . AHAaa . Gentle Persuasion Techniques… It Has Been WHISPERED to me I Have … HIDDEN POWERS???
 JB have a look at my above Reply to Anonymous about my Gentle Persuasion Technique with a DISFELLOWSHIPPED ELDER & PIONEER!
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62 apostates mark JWsurvey Day 2015 with a message of love for Jehovah’s Witnesses
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Posted on October 4, 2015

62 apostates have joined forces to reach out to Jehovah's Witnesses
62 apostates have joined forces to reach out to Jehovah’s Witnesses

If you are a Jehovah’s Witness, you will have to be satisfied with remembering October 4th 2015 as the day congregations worldwide were informed of the scrapping of the Theocratic Ministry School – over a week after the news was leaked in advance by a Bethel source.
But if you are a former Jehovah’s Witness, or an “apostate,” you can take pride in thinking of October 4th 2015 as the day when more ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses than have ever before appeared in a single video with a message of love and concern for those still trapped inside the Watchtower organization.
Organized to commemorate the anniversary of this website’s launch on October 4th 2011, the short montage film represents the joint efforts of 62 “apostates” from far-flung corners of the globe. Rather than trying to condemn Jehovah’s Witnesses, the video sets out to debunk the damning stereotypes of apostates as disseminated in Watchtower publications.
Instead of appearing as foaming-at-the-mouth mentally diseased vagrants, the apostates in the video are calm, rational people who have walked away from a religion that causes far more harm than good, and is ultimately untrue.
It is hoped that the video, with its intriguing title, will reach out to as many Jehovah’s Witnesses on YouTube as possible, and get them to rethink their position regarding doing objective research into their cherished beliefs.


[Please note: Due to a music rights issue, the video does not play on all handheld devices.]
JWsurvey Day was first announced at the end of August, and the collaborative video was given the working title of “What you DON’T know about apostates.” A Facebook group was set up, and the script was made available online for people to choose which lines they wanted to speak.
However, as more and more people signed up for an ever-diminishing number of parts in the video, it became clear that something special was happening. The sheer number of people who wanted to share in delivering the video’s message was an event in itself.
Last night, as the deadline for the video drew close, I stayed up until 4 am making last-minute edits. Over 4 gigabytes of video submissions had to be sorted and whittled down to a final 15-minute short film. As the video took on its own personality I noticed a change was needed. The original title would be scrapped in favor of “62 Apostates Who Love Jehovah’s Witnesses.” (There are actually more than 62 apostates appearing in the film, but because I would rather downplay the figure than exaggerate, I have counted only those who speak in the final edit.)
I sincerely hope that we can do the video justice by making sure it is shared as widely as possible. It’s wonderful to see the enthusiastic response already on Facebook and Twitter from ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses who are enjoying seeing their own thoughts about Watchtower verbalized by such a wide array of people.
Special mention must also be made of all those who have worked in translating the subtitles for the video. Presently there are 8 languages available, but a further 9 are in the pipeline. Michel Mix (pictured below), a member of the JWsurvey Day group, has done a fantastic job of coordinating the translation project from his base in Colombia.
Oftentimes when I do activism work on my own (for example, a large JW Broadcasting rebuttal), I can find the process genuinely tiring – and even mildly frustrating. But when I am working with so many sincere people, I feel the burden lifted. Activism becomes the unbridled joy it should be. I am working with like-minded individuals who share my passion towards an important goal, which is one of the best feelings you can have in life.
A tribute to JWsurvey
When I first set up JWsurvey, it did feel like “my website” – and I still catch myself speaking in those terms occasionally. But as I look back on the work that has been done and the huge potential for making a difference moving forward, I find those ideas are shifting. JWsurvey is becoming more of a legacy.
In the most recent 2015 survey, one of the questions asks which resources have been most instrumental in the person’s awakening from Watchtower indoctrination. The answers as of October 4, 2015 are as follows…
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In total, 1,218 have so far credited this website as either very or extremely influential in their awakening. This figure, and the figures for other similar websites, are simply astonishing. It is a sobering reminder of just how much work the internet is doing in chipping away at Watchtower’s stranglehold on people’s minds.
It also means the role of this website is more important than any one single person, which is why I have been gradually expanding our team of writers and illustrators over the past year or so. My eventual aim is to leave JWsurvey in the capable hands of the next generation of activists, to hopefully continue on long after the bulk of my work is finished.
In the meantime, there is still much work to do – work that is made far more enjoyable when I allow myself pause to reflect on what has been accomplished. In that spirit, I hope you will join me in celebrating today, October 4th, as “JWsurvey Day.” And I leave you with some short messages that have been sent in by our readers…
Please note, I haven’t been able to publish all the comments as some are too long, but I will try to find a way of somehow adding some to this article either as links to Word documents or as comments.
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[Anonymous]
Put simply, JWsurvey enabled me to fully wake up. As an elders daughter who had pioneered – I faded from the organisation aged 21. I wanted to think for myself; I started to have an awareness that my thoughts were being controlled. This was not easy; I left behind my whole community to embark on a journey to educate myself and build a new support network.
Now aged 30, it has only been in the last 18 months that I have been fully awoken and free from JW indoctrination, thank you to JWsurvey and the John Cedars YouTube channel. This intelligent, insightful, educational, humorous and honest website, truly helped me to understand the facts as to why I had left. For this I will be eternally grateful. In the past two years I have been able to live a normal happy life, without any guilt, fear or regret – this is priceless. In addition to this, my child had been born free. One of the greatest gifts I could give him.
Please keep up the good work! You do an amazing job.
Thank you once again.
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Michel Mix
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My name is Michel Mix. I grew up in the truth and got baptized when I was 14 years old. After finishing high school I was advised to go to university. Instead I started a part-time distance education course (which I quit when I married a fellow Jehovah’s Witness), went pioneering and became a ministerial servant.
I always loved studying to Bible, but find out that many teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses were un-Biblical and merely human interpretations. It that didn’t bother me too much though, I still thought it was the ‘truth’.
When after many years my marriage broke up, I lost all my faith: I’d dedicated many years of my life to a God who didn’t support me at all. I got into a new relationship and the Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped me from the congregation. My former friends and even family members won’t talk to me anymore. That hurts. A lot.
Sites like JWsurvey.org helped me to realize the truth about the ‘truth’: Jehovah’s Witnesses are not just a religion like all the others. They are WORSE. The indoctrination is overwhelming and there are a lot of victims. All my doubts about teachings that I had in the past, were confirmed. And I found out that many members don’t agree with the teachings, but cannot leave for social reasons.
For me leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses was the best thing I ever did. I’m happy and free! I remarried, moved from The Netherlands to Colombia, enrolled in university and we are expecting a baby. I’ve lost 20 years of my life, but the future is still bright and shining!
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Yvette Rucker
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I became a witness in my early 20s. The promise of a paradise earth where there is peace and unity among all mankind especially between a husband and wife appealed to me.  I wanted this kind of world for my children. I studied and became a witness hoping and praying my husband would too and he did,  but it did not make my marriage better it only made it worse.  My husband believing that I now was scripturally bound to obey gave him total control and he was even more abusive. There came a day when I realize that if I stayed with him he would kill me and our children so I made the decision to leave and I did.
Of course, I was no longer good association because I separated from my husband and eventually divorced him to protect myself and the children.  Being a single mother was hard I had to work 2 jobs to support us but at least we did not have to live in constant fear.  The congregation had little to do with me so I received no help from them I was completely on my own  I missed so many meetings trying to work and take care of my children. 
My older daughter introduced me to your website because she no longer believed it was the truth, because of the way we were treated.  She pointed out scriptures that showed that her dad was not the loving Christian husband he should have been and that the elders were told and sympathized with him cutting me off from a faith I believed in wholeheartedly all those years.
I did read JWsurvey and all the links as well. JWsurvey helped me loose the fear and guilt that comes with leaving what you come to believe is Gods organization. I have been able to heal and i am still healing.   Thank you so much for the real truth about the Watchtower organization
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Julia Douglas
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I remember when JWSurvey was just an idea and Lloyd was only known by his pseudonym and had yet to officially break ties with the Watchtower. I had already been disfellowshipped and was using my true identity on Facebook, but that’s not to say I was truly free of the brainwashing and programming. I struggled for a long time… and reading the articles on JWSurvey proved to be a regular source of fact-based, reliable information that I have come to rely on.
It’s always exciting when there is a leak, but more importantly, JWSurvey has been a comfort to the demons plaguing my mind. Lloyd has a remarkable ability to quickly read, digest, comprehend and effectively refute Watchtower propaganda, time and time again. Sensationalism would only detract from the well-reasoned information that JWSurvey presents, and Lloyd does not take short cuts. For all of these reasons, I would say JWSurvey is one of the go to websites that I regularly refer people to, and I hope that Lloyd and his team will continue to maintain the high standards of quality in the days ahead.
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Patricia Burford
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 I am a former JW, I left the organization when I was 17. Recently I accepted a bible study from a JW, I was having feelings of disconnect from religion. I thought since I had left the organization at such a young age, maybe I just needed to reintroduce myself and see if I had made a mistake all those years ago because of rebellion and my youth. 

In the few weeks of my study, some issues from my past started surfacing. I had to deal with issues I had pushed back all those years ago. I had a ministerial father who was very abusive and a pioneer mother who had no clue. I went to a congregation where the elders knew what was taking place yet took no action.

I began to wonder why these things were coming to the surface 35 years later. I truly believe that in stages of our life we are led to face our past in order to grow and move forward. This got me to thinking about other JW’s, there had to be others that felt the same as I did and had similar experiences.

So I started to google, and JWsurvey popped up, I dived right in. I spent the whole day reading and watching the video’s. I found answers to questions I have had for years in just those few hours. I learned more about the JW’s and the organization that day, than I had being raised a JW for 17 years. John Cedars (Lloyd) has been there and experienced the same as we have.  He has proof and he backs up everything that he brings to the table. JWsurvey shows what this cult is all about and the information shared is to save us..

I am so grateful for all the work you do.

(Regarding the picture, I am the older gal… This is my daughter and I…)
 


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Susannah
I left the witnesses aged 27. I am now 60. I have had a good life. I got an education, met some wonderful people and made a new life. I buried my feelings about family and friends. Around the time or just after my JW sister died in 2012, I discovered JWsurvey. I could not believe what I was reading. Lloyd not only understood but wrote about his experience, intelligently, passionately and with a brave honesty. I remember watching him in his car the night he went for his JC. I cried when his father wrote to him, cutting him off. Watching, reading and listening was like being given permission to breath and to speak. JWsurvey has helped me heal when I did not even realise I needed to heal. It has helped me recognise the folly of the beliefs. It let me get in contact with my anger, my sadness, it let me cry and then forgive. This is a cult that has held my family in fear and still does. The fact that JWsurvey exists may mean the next generation will be free. For that I am grateful.


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Uwe Schoning
I da/df myself in 2003 … but defended the JWs and their policies a long time. Somehow in 2011 this stopped. A year later I knew I had to work up my past and I was searching for people with the same thoughts… that something in the organization was not right!
I found a German forum of escapists but felt like I would never fit in… and then I found JWSurvey.org and the kind words on this page showed me, that the author was indeed empathic and would exactly know what I was thinking. His objective arguments and the information he provided confirmed me… I had not left the truth… I left a dangerous cult. And his non-agressive activism showed me, that it is not a bad thing to be an apostate…
JWSurvey helped me to understand, that the truth about the “truth“ is a story about deluded old men, who think their claim to lead is based on a story Jesus told.
JWSurvey showed me, that apostates do indeed care for the people still caught in the organization… and are indeed good people.
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Mika
Mika July 2015 40th BDay
My name is Mika from Michigan in the United States. I couldn’t pass up this opportunity to voice how helpful JWSurvey was to me when I found the courage to turn in my letter of disassociation from Watchtower/JW. Although I saw a different activist account and website first, JWSurvey/John Cedars YouTube channel and website were by far the most helpful to me.
Visiting JWSurvey helped me get an idea of what to expect beforehand from the shunning that was sure to and did follow my exit from the religion, I also found needed encouragement and support from the articles and community of posters. I have always favored the honest, logical, balanced approach and visitor feedback your website & YouTube channel affords which made it enjoyable to view/visit.
One thing it helped I’m sure many visitors realize, is the choice we had all along to free, happy lives without instilled fear through cult doctrine. JWSurvey isn’t extremist nor does it promote fairy tales, it simply states the facts and sets an example in speaking up against the harmful effects of cults in an empathetic way that many could relate to.
JWSurvey gave me much courage and support while helping me realize freedom and peace of mind were already mine, I only need reclaim it from the undue influence of the cult that influenced me to believe otherwise. JWSurvey educated me on effective ways I could help others. I know it would have been more challenging for me had I not came across your activism efforts, but I am beyond grateful that I did.I don’t want to sound overly dramatic here, but it is true when I sum it up in one sentence, JWSurvey helped me reclaim long-overdue emotional freedom and joy in my life.
THANK YOU!
 
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 Jake says:

 October 8, 2015 at 9:46 pm
 
I think that the Watchtower has genuinely genuinely hurt people. ‘ there’s a wizard locked in his tower’.
I don’t think they going to recover, the momentum is to strong, it’s a matter of time. Though they have helped people to have a foundation of faith they have in turn destroyed, by their teachings and actions, their own members faith. One million Jehovahs Witnesses over the last ten-eight years are unaccounted for. Watchtower in its defence describes some of these ones as apostates rather than dealing with the issues that it has created, it seems it wants to take rather than give, to be submitted to rather than submit. The Watchtower continues to bury it’s head and tell its members not to listen to legitimate concerns it will eventually have to answer. The truth is the Ivory tower and the pain it’s cause is unexceptible, cruel and wrong but above all unsustainable. Personally the (so called) holy place will be no more. Millions of Witnesses are waking up, money is drying up, truth changes day to day in the hope the boat doesn’t capsize. Personally I believe this is the start of the end game. i personally believe that the man of lawlessness will take control over Christians before being exposed before the genuine presence of Chirst and I believe this is it. Other than that we’ll wait and see but either which way the Watchtower will come to its end and pay for the damage it has infflicted. No one hates Jehovahs Witnesses, we’ve all been there, it’s the way they are abused that is hated and the personal suffering endured by many here, still, not one word of apology, it does not bode well.
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 Tara says:

 October 9, 2015 at 7:39 am
 
Well said Jake.
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 Jake says:

 October 8, 2015 at 10:03 pm
 
Many Jehovah’s Witness, as did the majority, need a scriptural bases to wake up.x
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 Robert67 says:

 October 9, 2015 at 8:02 am
 
Spot on Jake, sad so many are blind to this crucial piece of the puzzle.
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 ruthlee says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:37 am
 
Any thoughts? Why dont the GB ask the minions to look for anointed ones in their sacred ministry. Surely that would be the priority since they are so close to their end and the rapture is three weeks tuesday!And if they find more of these darling ones why don’t they let us know.Seeing as there are sooooo many aposties who don’t fit GB criteria but claim to be Christ’s brothers, children of God even, they must be tripping over new special sheep.Funny that NO new revelations yet (please note GB my suggestions first not yours ) ruthless
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 Tara says:

 October 9, 2015 at 7:40 am
 
I can’t manage Tuesday… it ‘overlaps’ my week.
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 Jake says:

 October 9, 2015 at 4:50 am
 
Let me take a look at the Jehovah’s Witness point of view regarding the faithful slave (which I believe applies individually) which they already apply to themselves.
 According to JW’s this compersite slave is charged with managing the masters household which includes- managing the finances, the distribution food and the well being of the slaves.
 How of they got on?
 Many of the branch facilities are closing. Take for example Spain. Congregants were asked to donate towards this new building. Many, I believe, donated cash and family jewellery. Some years later the Watchtower had a disagreement with the state regarding pension plans . . The branch closed. Was the money returned?
 Imagine paying towards, and working on the building of a property, then for it to be sold and for you not to see any of the profit because they had to pay you for you work. . . And then ask you for more money!
 Who owns your current KH and who takes on the responsibility of the cost through debt and interest of any refurbishment?
 How about food?, enough said.
 So here I am looking after my household and a child suffers from abuse, what do I do?, I keep my mouth shut and tell them it’s their responsibility. Faithful? You work it out.
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 Ted says:

 October 9, 2015 at 5:09 am
 
Holly Chu.
 Thanks for your kind comments. Your description of the
 Judicial trials as “Barbarous” is so often relevant. One
 particular case in our cong, was especially inhumane.–
A young man who suffered with Haemophilia, was
 hospitalised several times and refused a transfusion,
 then he was given the awful choice of either accepting
 blood or dying within hours. He had a wife and two small
 children who depended upon him, and I suppose, in a
 weakened state, he accepted blood.
At the hearing he pleaded not to be disfellowshipped,
 but the CO, who presided, shamed him further by citing
 the courage of bros, in Malawi. This man though had
 struggled for years with a terrible problem and had shown
 courage many times.
Sadly less than a year later he died, and we weren’t even allowed
 to give him a funeral. Then later in the WT, they gave us permission
 to use our conscience in the matter of funerals for the
 disfellowshipped. As you say Holly barbaric, in the truest sense
 of the word. Best Wishes. Ted.
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 9, 2015 at 5:26 am
 
@ Ted .. Very Very Sad for that poor Brother & his family .. That C.O . Should be ASHAMED of Himself . Whereas Jesus disciples plucked heads of grain on the Sabbath which the Pharisees Condemned them for , BUT Jesus said ‘I WANT LOVE,JUSTICE & MERCY, Not Sacrifice !
 & on the point of GB changing policies on whether one can attend a DISFELLOWSHIPPED ONEs FUNERAL …. Reminds me of the Ever Changing Stance on ORGAN TRANSPLANTS .. Before 1967 Yes you can! 1967 to 1980 NO YOU CANT ;.. 1980 to 2015 YES YOU CAN !!
 These 7 MASS MURDERERS of BROOKLYN ( Hope I am not being too subtle here)..have been Responsible for How Many Lost Lives? & How many Families have LOST a Father,Mother or CHILD Needlessly because of the Constant Flip Flop Changes of these 7 Arrogant Men??
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 anonymous says:

 October 9, 2015 at 6:13 am
 
Ted, I am quoting from Crisis of Conscience on page 359 concerning those suffering from hemophilia:
“Even accepting the date of June 11, 1975, as the date the change in policy was decided upon, the fact remains that it was not until THREE YEARS LATER, in the June 15, 1978 Watchtower (pages 30,31), that the organization published a statement ensuring that all Witness hemophiliacs who had been told that their use of blood fractions to counteract hemorrhaging was limited to a “one-time-only” occasion might learn that this rule no longer applied. What emergencies might have been faced during those three years by Witness hemophiliacs who knew only the previous policy there is no way of knowing.”
The Watchtower has no conscience. It was okay for hemophiliacs to take blood but most were not aware of it and the rank and file were never told either. If it was okay for hemophiliacs to take blood to save their life, then it should have been okay for the rank and file.
Only people who have no conscience would take the life and death of their followers so lightly.
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 ruthlee says:

 October 9, 2015 at 7:43 am
 
truly blood on their hands! rl
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 Grace says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:21 pm
 
Ted,
That story is so sad.
That’s the problem with this cult. It’s not until you stand back & look at the overall picture that you see the picture in its true form.
I have to admit that while in, I insulated myself to my own little fantasy world to convince myself that it was the truth & the more that I doubted, the more that I curled into my shell. Not daring to peek at anything that seemed to contradict my faith but the more I did that the more that I became depressed because my intuition was screaming at me to be heard.
People who are in abusive situations often don’t realise that they are in them because the abuser has convinced them that this is normal & right behaviour.
To JB,
I said hullo to hubby & he says hi back to you & everyone here. He’s a sideliner & not a great reader. You have all helped him too. He was still an MS when I dropped the bomb on him & said that I didn’t want to be in this religion anymore & that I came to the conclusion that it was a crock of sh*t. It had been building to that though.
Luckily for me, he saw it that way too but didn’t know how to analyse his thoughts so we talked & talked & I researched & read books & we managed to find our way out together.
After reading others stories on here & their still in spouses, I’m lucky it didn’t backfire on me.
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 Reader says:

 October 9, 2015 at 6:06 am
 
When people are sure they have the truth either as administrators or R&F. It may be a more poisonous draft than the religion & politics coctail? Acts 17 v 11
 Apostate is a word for witch hunters.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 9, 2015 at 8:20 am
 
Truly the real apostates are in Brooklyn/Warwick. They are the ones that trample on Gods word and correct his sayings to fit their publishing cult agenda. Keep praying for their unmasking. Jesus said that anything we ask with genuine faith would at the very least be listened to. I hope there are enough of us praying for the truth about the Borg the prevail. I believe God is still on his throne and he is still in control smiling as we awake from the chains of these judgemental hipocrites, back into the love found in his word. My new and last religion is my personal relationship with my creator, my personal prayer and study of his word. I gladly share his love with others and live according to Hesus teachings. Some get sidetracked and cannot see the forest, because the trees are in their way, focusing on ancient history in the Bible that occurred to people so distant from us both in time and culture that we try and judge how things went down through the snippets of information found in the Bible. Slavery, Rapeing, pillaging, sacrificing of innocent lives is all still happening amongst people who reject Christ to this very day. Just turn on the news and see what’s happening in the Middle East. We must stay focused on Christ, not focusing on him is the reason my family got into this Watchtower mess.
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 Jwpow says:

 October 9, 2015 at 10:03 am
 
Yes it is..both then and now
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 Abel Alvarez says:

 October 9, 2015 at 9:35 am
 
I am still a JW but I know Now after so many years who really they are! Like most of you, I have all my family in the JW cult, no one knows what I am feeling or what I am thinking about the Jw. No, no event my wife, my son, my whole family. If they found out you guys know the consequences. It is very hard and sad that you can not do anything for them. I’m very happy for this website and you all
 Feel free to comment good or bad.
 P.s. you know the most important and powerful thing in the world and universities is
“LOVE” with out it nothing excit. And you all have that love in your face.
 May Jehovah and Jesus Christ blessed you all.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 9, 2015 at 10:06 am
 
@ Abel Alvarez. Many of us are also still in the truth held hostage at the moment waiting for the right moment to free our families. We also understand that if we just quit, we lose that vital tool which is communication with these still indoctrinated loved ones. As we wait keep studying the truth about their truth on sites like this one http://www.jwfacts.com or http://www.extj.com in Spanish. This way you’ll be ready to give a defence of your faith to any who require it. John 8:32 Welcome to the freedom that only comes from the truth.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 9, 2015 at 10:42 am
 
Make some time today to watch this video from JWcrisis



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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 9, 2015 at 12:44 pm
 
@Abel Alvarez- I feel you pain, believe me. I too am still an “active” witness, even still holding on to my MS position. Most of my family are witnesses. My father is really brainwashed, almost militant like in defending this cult so you can only imagine how I have to be super careful. My awakening took place about two years ago, and I have never felt better! I continue to report time, but I never go out in service (except when the CO is around). Fake hours. Fake return visits. Fake placements. All fake. Just like this cult’s leaders and their “spirit guided food.” The best thing was finding out that I am not alone! I went through the EXTREME shock of finding out that my religion that I came to LOVE and BELIEVE my whole life was nothing but a lie. And worse still, that the men who ran it, were nothing but liars!
So, I made my decision to HELP as many as I could to discover THE TRUTH about “the truth!” But I could only do that if I remained “active” so that my friends and family would still listen to me. So I consider myself a “double agent” working to uncover the lies that this cult is trying to hide! All I want is the TRUTH to be made known to everyone! Which reminds me of what Jesus said at Luke 12:2 when he said, “There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.” :) :) :) :) :) :)
That applies to this cult as well.
It’s too time consuming to write you everything about myself, but read my posts! I’m quite new to this site (posting only about a week, reading anonymously for several months) so you don’t need to look back more than this post and the one about Warwick.
But this is where you come in, Abel. Use your position (“active publisher”) to help others while being free of this cults laws and false doctrines! Be a double agent like myself! It is quite fun and exciting at times. There are MANY things you can do! For example send everyone you know anonymous emails and texts about the 607 BCE lie. Provide them with the research but do it nicely. Believe me, when they start to research 607 and find out that it is COMPLETELY WRONG they start to find out other things! I usually start with a simple question and provide research. Only the completely IGNORANT DIEHARD FOOLS will continue to believe in 607 because they know that 607 is KEY to the entire “faithful slave” lie! No 607 = no 1914. No 1914 = no 1918 = no “slave” = no JW CULT!
Anyways, I posted this a few days ago but I heard the hacker group “Anonymous” is on the WT’s ass now and you know when Anon is your ass, you did something not too nice! (Yeah, like covering up the child abuse scandals, lying about dumping toxic waste and covering it up for the sake of “Jehovah’s holy name and organization,” changing doctrines on a yearly basis because you’re a bunch of false prophets who can’t get it right so you call it “NEW LIGHT!” WTF?????????!!!!!!!!!!!
It makes me so mad thinking about it! Remember, the WT uses “theocratic warfare” to fight for their existence, I think it is only right that we use a little of their own medicine to expose their lies! EVERY HUMAN has the right to know the truth. ENOUGH WITH THE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS. Make a bucket list of all the things you always wanted to do but were forbidden to do because of this cult! Go see a rated R movie! Smoke a cigar! Have fun with the girls 😉 and play paintball and grow a beard, and WEAR TIGHT PANTS! WEAR THE TIGHTEST PANTS YOU CAN FIND! LOL DO WANT YOU WANT!
Don’t let this fear hold you back. The whole cult is based on FEAR.
It is exhilarating to be free! Free your mind and your soul of the evil chains!
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 Pickled brain says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:28 pm
 
@Abel .. You are WELCOME Here on this Site where there is PLENTY of REAL LOVE!! UNLIKE Watchtower Make Believe Land where LOVE is CONDITIONAL( PBCLI- JB Knows what this means!!
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 Pow says:

 October 9, 2015 at 10:55 am
 
Slightly off topic, did anyone catch the news item from N.Z. I believe, that the deaf community felt they were being targeted by the witnesses with sign language trained publishers. No surprise there, however the branch DENIED they knew anything about and chalked it up to coincident.
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 Pow says:

 October 9, 2015 at 12:04 pm
 
A little more on this subject. ..I could see a response like “we didn’t mean to offend but we were reaching out to the deaf community ” but to absolutely deny that there’s any substance to the report.?..and the spokesman for the branch, is that the same Spinks form the A.RC.?
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 anonymous says:

 October 9, 2015 at 11:12 am
 
Narcissists hate anybody they can’t control and who can think for themselves and with that hate, they will set out to ruin them in the eyes of their families and friends. The narcissist has an insatiable appetite for control and adulation and the person who is not tricked by the con artist narcissist, is an obstacle that stands in the way of the narcissist’s con.
As long as a person with low self-esteem is willing to give the narcissist the adulation and attention that they crave, the narcissist will maintain a pretend relationship with the person with low self-esteem, that is, if the narcissist stands to gain in some way by maintaining a relationship with that person. It is much the same as a farmer using a tractor. The narcissist only uses people for their gain and will pretend to “love” that person as long as that person gives the narcissist what the narcissist wants, either attention and adulation or money.
If the thinking person does not give the narcissist what the narcissist wants, then the narcissist will target that person with utter rage. If you are fortunate, then the narcissist will just abandon the person who is unwilling to play the narcissist’s game.
In the JW religion, the narcissist is the “slave”. They all have God delusions and it was reflected in Geoffrey Jackson’s comment at the Australian Commission on child sex abuse when he said that he would have to ask Jesus when he gets to heaven. That comment told the whole world that he considers himself already judged by God and having passed the test while all the rest of us little people “hope” we pass the test at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ, that is “if” we make it through Armageddon.
The Governing Body requires worship and adulation and those who think for themselves and who are unwilling to worship the “slave” will be the target of the narcissistic “slave”, i.e. the Governing Body and will be disfellowshipped for apostasy or the subject of a marking talk. Either way, the person will be punished by the Governing Body.
They will be made to pay the price for their defection for the worship of the Governing body by the Society’s minions, the elders. The congregation will follow the orders of the elders and shun anybody who has the courage to stand up against the Governing Body and the Governing Body will delight in punishing that person.
At the end of every jwbroadcasting, the Governing Body member says how much they “love” all of us. That “love” is based on how much use they can get out of us. We “love” our car if our car is in working condition but if that car no longer serves a purpose, we will dump it and get another one. We are like a car to the Society and once they don’t get any use out of us anymore, they will dump us and get a new lover who will idolize them, like what they crave.
The “love” that the Governing Body feels towards the rank and file is the sensation that megalomaniacs feel, knowing the power they hold over the rank and file. They “love” the feeling of power that they have over our emotions, our thoughts, our behavior and all aspects of our lives.
If we have the courage to break free from their control, we can expect from the narcissistic “slave” a full-out attack on our morality, character and integrity. They will make our name mud in any way that they can to destroy us. That is what a malignant narcissist does when they can’t get their own way but we will be the one that will be accused of leaving such a “loving” religion and we will be accused of being selfish and petty. They are like the three year child in the store who throws himself on the floor and screams and hollers when they can’t get the toy that they want.
A “relationship” with the Society is a one-way relationship with all the take on the side of the Organization and all the give from the rank and file.
If we have the idea that we were created as individuals with unique personalities, we will be the target to be humiliated, shamed and even targeted for destruction. The narcissistic “slave” has no use for people who can think for themselves and they will do whatever it takes to ruin that person.
What makes the narcissist miserable is when we break free from their control and are happy. They can’t stand that.
It is almost impossible for a normal person to comprehend how people can be that evil but once we have been the subject of their rage and attacked for not idolizing them, we come to the realization that people like that do not deserve any respect and do not deserve the benefit of a doubt.
They are not in touch with reality and live in ivory towers and have no idea what it like being a regular person in the real world. They are evil individuals. Anybody who takes pleasure in hurting people is evil. They don’t disfellowship people because they want to “save” them. They disfellowship because they hate them for standing up to them.
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 Robert67 says:

 October 9, 2015 at 11:55 am
 
Absofreakinglutely, the organization condemned the Catholic Church for the mild shunning they do up into the 1950’s when the number of friends with functioning neurons became more than they could handle. The only way to keep these spiritual men and woman from spreading the truths they were learning about the Borg was to fabricate a family and reputation anhialating form of shunning. Where the marked person was to be removed from the congregation and never spoken to again, even by their own family. Truly this anti-God organization keeps disguising itself as an angel of light, but the physical proof and overwhelming testimony from legitimate witnesses of God on these matters condemns them as the true apostates of the faith.
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 Actigall Ur says:

 October 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm
 
@Robert- As you already know, I no longer believe in any supernatural beings. That said, I know Jesus’ message. The more I examine my cult, the more I can see that they are anti-Christ! Nearly all of the big TRUTHS that Jesus was speaking about like, LOVE, not allowing MEN to make rules over you, to understand that there are just TWO COMMANDS that he gave – LOVE GOD and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR. THAT IS ALL.
Where is the LOVE in shunning? I know they always say, “oh but shunning is LOVE because it is Jehovah’s way of keeping the flock clean and making the DF’d person come back to him…” blah blah blah.
My sister attempted suicide after her UNJUST Df’ing because WE (my family and I myself) all shunned her. It was so evil I can not imagine. It is a long story which I do want to rehash any more. I’m already shaking just thinking about what it did to my family and tearing the whole family up. In the end, she found happiness despite her shunning. One of the happiest days of her life and MY life was after my own awakening when I set out to visit her for the first time in years. And then finding out that she FULLY forgave me and we cried for hours. We missed so much time as a family because of this cult. I swear to ^whatever guy is up there flying around^ I will make them pay for what they have done to my family and the hundreds of thousands of others. The pain and suffering so many have gone through… no way, would Jesus approve of this cult’s lies. Complete opposite of LOVE. Always so preachy preachy about “oh we have LOVE we have so much brotherly LOVE love love LOVE LOVE love love LOVE!”
But the truth is this is a cult of fear, depression, lies, domination, RULES OF MEN, brainwashing and even death.
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 Innocent Son says:

 October 9, 2015 at 1:11 pm
 
It’s 30 years since I first went into a K Hall snd got the ‘ Truth ‘ Wow how times have changed! I never ever thought that I would see K Halls demolished and the land sold off. Magazines being reduced to bi-monthly and bored staid witnesses in Town centres by their carts, boy is this religion in trouble! Not to mention all the pending Court Cases they have stacking Up! ‘Get out of her my people ‘ that’s what I advise. Do not share in her sins! Come to us on this site. Share your burdens, you are not alone! If I can break free anyone can! Much love to all on this site, Innocent Son.
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 KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

 August 25, 2013 at 6:55 pm
 
With every word they reveal and “impart” far more than they ever intended…
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 george says:

 August 27, 2013 at 4:45 am
 
Sorry Cedars, I can only access the first video on my I pad. There are a lot of over sized play icons and they won’t work.
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 Luke says:

 October 27, 2013 at 5:27 pm
 
Continue the good work on this site that expose what Watchtower Organization really are — a fanatic end-time driven cult that only serve interests of its leaders. I left this
 cult three years ago for good. My only regret is that I had not left the Watchtower Cult earlier! On Easter Sunday this year, I was baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and received into Eastern Orthodox Church, apostolic Church that preserved the Faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Cedar, you have my blessings of your work on this site that
 will yet help millions of JWs to see the truth of so-called ‘Truth’.
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 Fred says:

 November 2, 2013 at 12:09 pm
 
Forget taking your numbers from a 1974 yearbook if you question the amount of those killed, interned, etc get the numbers from the Holocaust museum. You forgot to mention the ‘JEWS’ were and its quoted several times in the Watchtower publications as it is related in the bible, “ONCE GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE” but they did not remain that because of their actions. Your quotes from WT publications are based on the latter that they fell out of favour in God’s eyes. They therefor were NOT written in an anti-Semitic nature. Many Jews have become JW’s over the years are they lesser beings because they were of Jewish blood?…ABSOLUTELY NOT! All races are equal so this video in my opinion is twisted in its presentation. Not to mention the ridiculous claim of Rutherford’s so called love letter to Adolf Hitler. No blinders on here, I have checked the facts. Sorry but this video paints an untruthful twist of events and statements about the WT as regards the comments on the Nazi’s and Jews.
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 Palma says:

 February 28, 2014 at 3:48 am
 
Hi everybody! Hi cedars!
 I found this article about a discovery in egypt that brings light to the origin of story of joseph in the bible.
 What do you think?http://www.davidovits.info/the-lost-fresco-and-the-bible-my-new-book-in-french/
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 Idris says:

 March 27, 2014 at 8:12 am
 
Thank you for this page, it has been a great help to me, as I seek the truth of the word of God, however I noticed in the video ‘Does the Bible speak of ‘Paradise Earth’ the speaker quotes Luke 21v43 twice, regarding Jesus word on the cross, there should be a correction note as the verse he mentions is in Luke 23 v 43.
 Keep up the good work
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 Julia Orwell says:

 July 17, 2014 at 3:47 am
 
Been to internationals before and this elaborate souvenir thing is entirely new. The last one I went to in 2009, the last ones they had, had nothing like this so it’s not a matter of you having not noticed it in the past, it’s a matter of it being a new phenomenon.
 I theorize that the wt motives for this involve keeping the masses busy and therefore obedient. Jws would volunteer to do this because there are no other legitimate outlets for creative expression. Armageddon being near has nothing to do with it: it’s about keeping the sheeple busy and happy. Making stupid trinkets is also a team building activity as it involves jws working together, thus reinforcing the herd mentality jws have.
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 frankie fernandez says:

 February 27, 2015 at 4:44 pm
 
dear friends I was baptized in 1974. Thank God I am no longer a member of the WT. Free at last and oh what a relief it is. A member of my former congregation who I considerd my best friend molested a minor. There was a big argument amognst the elders on the judicial committee. One elder who was a maverick, wanted to notify the police. But, instead they followed the instuctions of the society. They kept this crime against the child, hush hush. So as not to tarnish the name of Jehovah. But in reality it was a coverup to protect the wt’s reputation. Meanwhile this poor child that was raped has to carry the heavy burden of a victim for the rest of thier lives without compensation and without justice. While the abuser has remaind a member in good standing. The congregation he is attending now has not been notified that he is a sexual preditor.
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 Kirtley W. Burggraf says:

 March 11, 2015 at 11:16 am
 
Tell me, since governing body members are elected (replacing someone who dies) at what point do do they become “divinely inspired” or “spirit guided”? Were they always thus in the lower ranks or does this just “happen” the moment that they are appointed? What’s Watchtower’s take on this?
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 Alone in MD says:

 March 31, 2015 at 6:00 pm
 
Regards your video on the Memorial Service. I am one of those “non believers” married to a baptized witness. I go to just keep the peace but I’ve made it known that I consider this service one of the worst religious ceremonies that I have ever been to. “Anointed What”. Also it was announced at last years meeting that “this may be the last memorial service”. They are at it again. Thanks for the great videos.
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 frankie fernandez says:

 May 10, 2015 at 9:50 pm
 
IF CHRIST WAS ENTHRONGED IN 1914, WHY ARE THE WITNESES STILL CELEBRATING THE MEMORIAL? CHRIST SAID THAT AFTER HIS ARRIVAL NO ONE WAS TO CELEBRATE THE MEMORIAL .ALSO HE SAID THAT THE DAY OF HIS PRESENSE, IT WILL BE LIKE LIGHTNING FROM ONE POINT OF THE EARTH TO ANOTHER. LIGHTNING TRAVELS AT THE SPEED OF 3500 MILES PER SECOUND. SO IT WILL TRAVEL AROUND THE GLOBE IN LESS THAN A MINUTE. HE ALSO SAID THAT ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM. NOT LIKE THE WTS THAT SAYS WE ARE IN HIS INVISIBLE PRESENSE.
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 pj wilcox says:

 July 31, 2015 at 3:21 am
 
I watched the latest video of the inept elder being questioned by the commission. Who prepared this man for testimony? You all are aware of the dentist who shot Cecil the lion in Kenya? Well his life is over. He is in hiding. What he did ,did not break laws in Kenya and his is in a world of trouble with public sentiment. But this elder being questioned is far worse. He covered deeds that drove people to think of killing themselves. Should he not go into hiding? Is his life over? Has he know conscience? Emotion, caring? You know the answer. Bet ya, damage control is working overtime on this.
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 Adrian says:

 September 8, 2015 at 3:32 am
 
I think the Royal Commission videos demonstrate that fragility of the governance within the WT society. Yes, it’s an Australia branch issue but cross examination only points to the seat of control on which the governing body members sit. Everything starts and stops with the governing body, they set the policy but where are they? Sitting comfortably in NY watching from a distance ready to abdicate any responsibility whatsoever. A governing body governs and leads but I see no leadership I see the followers talking and being bashed around the head with questions, all too easy for the legal team.
However, it might just be me but does anyone else not see the lawyer’s gap in knowledge regarding the fundamental rationale for the WT society policies, they fall back in their comfort zone knowing that they can say ‘well we don’t have the authority to go beyond the bible.’
It’s this gap in knowledge of the legal representatives which the WT society exploit. I mean nobody is going to ask ‘ where actually did this translation come from anyway?’ What were the academic qualifications of the translators? Is there a possibility that you have interpreted things wrongly or even worse, translated things incorrectly? If there’s a possibility that your interpretation on how to deal with modern day child abuse cases in congregations may be flawed, then are you in agreement that your policies could result in lasting harm to victims of abuse? In my view that translation is the ‘elephant in the room’ every scholar knows it’s perverse but no one is holding this cult to account. So easy to say it’s all in the bible but should they really be saying it’s all in the NWT instead?
The WT society in the videos almost give of an innocence as if to say, ‘ but that’s what we understand from the scriptures’, and I think it works in their favor, but a savvy legal representative would do well to tease out the basis for the rendering of certain verses on which doctrine, policy and organisational decisions are based. So far the WT Society appears to be one step ahead because their authority is not a person but a book, which they are ‘only trying to understand and live by’. Expose the origin of the NWT and the basis for so many ridiculous uncaring decisions is called into question.
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