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Shooter in Oregon did not target christians.
Posted by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish on October 3, 2015 at 11:58am in Introductions
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So I've been seeing quite a few posts on my page about how brave those christian students were to die for their faith, I already knew something was up. Then I saw this article:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/10/03/oregon-gunm...








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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller yesterday

The fact is that there are certain christians out there who will play the persecution card any- and every time they get a chance.  While this behavior is tiresome and childish, the need remains to call them on it.
Insofar as the perpetrators are concerned, they are neither special nor blessed.  They are just another target.
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish yesterday

I felt great annoyance with the posts that I saw, and even got into an argument with one lady about it who, thankfully, blocked me. It is absolutely shocking when people use tragedy to make themselves feel good. And clearly this mental disorder of wanting to feel targeted and persecuted makes them fell good. Honestly seeing the posts that these people put up made me feel sick.
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller 23 hours ago

I wonder if it's some kind of mechanism they use to reinforce their mistaken idea that it's all part of their god's plan, that he's in control, when in fact, there is NO control.  Honestly, at some level, my suspicion is that they're scared shitless and this is their means of maintaining compartmentalization between their hallucination and the real world.
Just a guess ... but maybe worth a thought.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 22 hours ago

I think you are right, Loren.
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W 9 hours ago
Looking at recent history, it seems a lot of Christians relish feeling persecuted. Who knows the basis for their psychopathology. Multifactorial. Sick.
 It may be a reaction to the knowledge that christians have so horribly persecuted others for centuries, genocide, torture, forced conversions, shunning, beatings, killings, theft, rape... and they fear the tables could be turning, Even though the tables are obviously not turning. But they do love scary stories, to tell over campfires.
 Maybe they just have a histrionic personality disorder. Maybe they know, deep inside, that they are in denial, there is no god or jesus who loves and protects them, no afterlife, and they really dont want to hear it.
 Much of this is repeating what Loren stayed. As usual, right on target.
 Maybe it's a passive agressive ploy, the WANT to be persecuted, so they can feel special.
 Being able to say, "People are persecuting me" is a way to counter the persecution that many others currently exoerience at the hands of christisns.
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 Permalink Reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner 4 hours ago

Paranoia reinforces grandiosity, in religion as well as certain US politics.

It’s easier to believe you are exceptional if you are comparing yourself with others and if you are proving your remarkable strength against naysayers or challengers. It helps, in other words, to have an enemy who is threatening your greatness.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn yesterday

Christians want to feel "targeted." They believe there is a "war on Chritianity" and it is backed by the gospels telling them they would be persecuted along with their insistance that we have to be "in the end times" right now.
If the mainstream media was correct on the events of this shooting I would have to call the whole thing a suicide. Let me explain that. The shooter calls forward various individuals and asks if they are a Christian. When they answer "yes" he shoots them in the head. How many would have to be shot before they started answering "no?" Maybe no more than two.
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish yesterday

By the replies the shooter made after he received an affirmative answer implies that he himself was a theist and believed in an afterlife, he replied that it wouldn't hurt and he would see them soon. Creepy crazy people with guns.
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 Permalink Reply by Gerald Payne yesterday

He was targeting Christians for whatever reason.
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish yesterday

No, he asked what religion his victims were, but that's because he was religious and said things like, this won't hurt, and see you soon. He believed in an afterlife, and believed that he would see his victims in heaven. He wasn't targeting christians, it's more like he was making small talk.
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 Permalink Reply by jay H 23 hours ago

probably not. But it really is not significant, some may see it that way (by comparison, in Muslim areas Christians, as well as atheists and Jews ARE targeted).

We live in a culture which promotes questionable claims of persecution for race, religion, sexuality, disability etc. It's how politicians manipulate votes and how organizations keep their funding.
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish 17 hours ago

I honestly didn't think it was significant, until I saw some people posting about how this was a war on christians and that they need to arm themselves.
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Shooter in Oregon did not target christians.
Posted by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish on October 3, 2015 at 11:58am in Introductions
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So I've been seeing quite a few posts on my page about how brave those christian students were to die for their faith, I already knew something was up. Then I saw this article:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/10/03/oregon-gunm...








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 Permalink Reply by Michael Black 18 hours ago

I can't help thinking about this video.  .
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish 17 hours ago

Alright, I love darkmatter's videos, and I actually just thought of how great it'd be if there was an alien under the helmet.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Black 17 hours ago

When I first saw the video, I was expecting the video to end just before the shooter was revealed.  I should have known that it wasn't his style to play a joke on the audience.
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish 13 hours ago

http://theoswatch.com/ron-ramsey-serious-christians-should-arm-them...



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 Permalink Reply by jay H 12 hours ago

I saw a commentary calling out the Pope for his statement "people who manufacture weapons or invest in weapons industry are hypocrites if they call themselves Christian". Below it was a photo of the Pope with his entourage with all the heavily armed guards labelled.
Example: http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/the-HKMP7-probably-r...

They also did a similar one with Obama with his statement "guns make us less safe"


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 Permalink Reply by jay H 11 hours ago

Meanwhile in UK

http://freethinker.co.uk/2015/10/04/death-list-secularist-asks-why-me/

(in UK however, even carrying MACE for defense can get you in trouble. )
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 9 hours ago

Off topic a bit here but I want to bring up an important point. We see many reports about this shooter in Oregon just a few hours ago and nobody in media can get it right as to what he said before he shot his victims. I think we can all agree on that.
Then people want to convince us of what the gospels (the media of the day) said about Jesus over 2000 years ago. How can you believe that nonsense? Nobody is sure now of what happened 2 days ago in Oregon. They want to turn it into something else.
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W 9 hours ago
If only they had Facebook in ancient Israel, we would have a much better understanding of what transpired back in those times. If Jesus has posted selfies of himself on the cross, let alone during his ascension, it would have been so helpful.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 8 hours ago

Yes. I'm still confused about Jesus' 40 days and 40 nights fasting in the desert. After this he was taken into "an exceedingly high mountain" by thre devil to be shown "all the kingdoms of the world." That really was a high mountain OR there was a theater up there.
Then we have Stephen being stoned to death and he sees the heavens opened and Jesus "setting at the right hand of God." If I was being killed and I saw the sky open up with people setting there in chairs I would go --WTF?
Who reported these stories and how did they get their information?
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 Permalink Reply by Daniel W 9 hours ago
Gosh, I hope people dont start to view christianity as a death cult that glorifies torture and has a symbol of murder as its logo.
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 Permalink Reply by Visvakarman Svetasvatara-Upanish 4 hours ago

My word, that would be just horrible.
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