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Sarah Perry Edvalson Do you know what source these quotes are from? Preferably a primary source.
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Jonathan Brown In 1863, Young reported that he said, "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110)....all the rest of the quotes can simply be found using a simple google search. Have you not heard this before?
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Sarah Perry Edvalson I just like to have sources when I reference things. Nothing worse than saying, "I read it on facebook" lol
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Jonathan Brown I agree.
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Todd Barcodious Eckenfelder brigham young was such a departure from the philosophy of joseph smith when it came to race.....it is scary.
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Jonathan Brown Todd Barcodious Eckenfelder Joseph Smith also said some very racist things against black people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tfHzyCXHiw





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Todd Barcodious Eckenfelder @Jonathan.....yes, indeed Joseph Smith did say some very "racist" language, using our current (2013) ear as a barometer -however, my point is he was far more progressive at the time than his successor was -and, one of the most progressive prominent white thinkers in the country at the time, on race, socio-economics, and education. My comment was not so much to suggest everything Joseph said was correct, simply that it is interesting and sad, the church took a step backwards at that time, and negatively influenced generations of members, and non-members.
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Jonathan Brown I'm not so sure he was, but you have a right to your opinion.
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Todd Barcodious Eckenfelder Jonathan Brown: we should never be "sure" should we.
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Jonathan Brown I can say this: I know Joseph Smith was a racist based on his comments and was not much better than old Brigham.  Its a myth to believe otherwise.
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Todd Barcodious Eckenfelder what one misses in not being a relativist, is intent. thats important, especially when considering the changes in language/meaning over time.
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Jonathan Brown Yes and the intent was clearly racism.
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Was the Book of Abraham translated correctly? We think not. http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/08/book-of-abraham-facsimile-2-examined.html.
Was the Book of Abraham translated correctly? We think not. http://www.mormoninfographics.com/2012/08/book-of-abraham-facsimile-2-examined.html

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Jonathan Brown
Tithing: I find the following quote in the December 2012 Ensign very disturbing:
“If paying tithing means that you can’t pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can’t pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing. The Lord will not abandon you.”
Would a loving, kind, empathic God really place parents in the horrible position of having to choose whether to feed their children or pay what little they have to a multi-billion megamall owning Church that receives an estimated $8,000,000,000 in annual tithing receipts?

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Jonathan Brown
Letter to a CES Director
 A current lifelong Latter-day Saint, Jeremy Runnells was asked by a CES Director in April 2013 to share with him Jeremy’s questions and concerns regarding the LDS Church and its truth claims. The following letter is Jeremy’s response: http://mormonthink.com/personalstories/A_Letter_to_a_CES_Director.pdf





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Bart Tippetts
Humanistic social gospel is consistent with the theology of Zion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_gospel





Social Gospel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The Social Gospel movement is a Protestant Christian intellectual movement that was most prominent in the early 20th century United States and Canada. The movement applied Christian ethics to social problems, especially issues of social justice such as economic inequality, poverty, alcoholism, crime...

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Robert Slaven I joined Canada's New Democratic Party, which came from the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation, which was founded and led by Canadian Social Gospel pioneers like J.S. Woodsworth and Tommy Douglas.
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Bart Tippetts
Christian humanism has its roots in the traditional teaching that humans are made in the image of God, or in Latin the Imago Dei, which enhances individual worth and personal dignity. This found strong biblical expression in the Judeo-Christian attention to righteousness and social justice. Its linkage to more secular philosophical humanism can be traced to the 2nd-century, writings of Justin Martyr, an early theologian-apologist of the early Christian Church. While far from radical, Justin suggested a value in the achievements of classical culture in his Apology.[2] Influential letters by Cappadocian Fathers, namely Basil of Caesarea and Gregory of Nyssa, confirmed the commitment to using preexisting secular knowledge, particularly as it touched the material world. Source: Wikipedia.

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Jonathan Brown Welcome, may reason be with you.
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Jonathan Brown Welcome, may reason be with you.
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Jonathan Brown Welcome, may reason be with you.
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Jonathan Brown Welcome, may reason be with you.
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James Edward Nickels Jr
The Emperor Julian (aka "the apostate), nephew of Constantine the "Great." After Constantine and his successor, Constans established Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire, Julian, Constans' successor, tried to take it back to Paganism. Julian was a philosopher and so his Paganism was a much more enlightened Paganism in the Greek fashion. He ruled for 2 years and was killed in battle with the Persians. Actually, he was killed by one of his own soldiers who was Christian who took the opportunity of battle to stab him in the back.






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Alan Hunter So, that makes Julian the first person to be stabbed in the back by a christian.
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Alan Hunter Do you think that's where "he stabbed me in the back" comes from??
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James Edward Nickels Jr Alan Hunter I don't know if this is where the expression came from, but Julian was certainly betrayed.
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Angela Liscom Clayton
If all anti-social behavior is selfish and all pro-social behavior is selfish in a more subtle way, do we always "have our reward"? Is altruism always partly selfish?This is something I was giving a lot of thought this year. http://www.wheatandtares.org/12348/selfish-altruism/







My Selfish Altruism (Tales from Cambodia & Nepal)
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Why do we give? Is our altruism ever purely unselfish or do we give in part because we hope to gain something? What do we want to gain? In March, we had an opportunity to join a house building in...

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Adrian Comollo
Have you ever heard of the so called "Catholic Social Teaching"? It explains the standing of the Catholic Church on major social and economic issues. I believe that all Christian Churches should adopt something similar. Instead, a few of them, including the LDS Church, do not have official document regarding economic issues, as far as I know. Instead, Catholic Social Teaching says, for example: " How we organize our society -- in economics and politics, in law and policy -- d...
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Seven themes of Catholic Social Teaching
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Seven themes of Catholic Social Teaching
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Jessica Ramirez Cox Many of the Catholic Church's positions teachings and customs derive from the earlier centuries when the church was the government. Especially from the 14th through 16th century generations. These traditions and beliefs have merely been passed down and...See More
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Gemma Torr The point is that churches should never interfere in politics... the story of Catholicism teaches us all that when they openly controlled and then later influenced political decision. But in our modern times there is no bigger example of a church influ...See More
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Gemma Torr http://www.primewire.ag/external.php?gd=1890491027...
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Jonathan Brown
http://gawker.com/stephen-colberts-best-segment-ever-will-make-you-fee-1150255944?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow







Stephen Colbert's 'Best Segment Ever' Will Make You Feel So Many Things
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It's being called "perhaps the single best segment" to ever air on The Colbert Report. And with good reason, because it probably is.

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Jonathan Brown Gemma, I cannot read your mind, what do you mean?
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Gemma Torr Sorry I mean is that the same guy who does that show in the U.S called Colbert report... is that him? Just because I don't know who he is.... I've not been living in a cave... just England!
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Jonathan Brown Yes
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The Most Astounding Fact - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Mobile users can watch on Vimeo! http://vimeo.com/38101676 Astrophysicist Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson was asked by a reader of TIME magazine, "What is the most a...
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022: Pros of Prozac with Beca Mark | Mormon Mental Health ( LDS )
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Natasha Helfer Parker interviews Beca Mark, author of Pros of Prozac: A Faith-based Memoir of Overcoming the Stigma where she discusses the stigma on depression.
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"When I was young, I believed that life might unfold in an orderly way, according to my hopes and expectations. But now I understand that the Way winds like a river, always changing, ever onward… My journeys revealed that the Way itself creates the warrior; that every path leads to peace, every choice to wisdom. And that life has always been, and will always be, arising in Mystery." Socrates.
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