Criticism of a repressed bisexual JW male

Carlos,

Andrew is not trying to mislead anyone who has homosexual desires that are
JW's. Everyone does indeed have the right to make that decision. You are a
23 year old JW and are bisexual and have never had sex with a man or a woman
and you believe what your god 'tells' you in your religious text as being the
'right' thing to do. A persons struggling with same-sex feelings is not the same
as someone who has the desire to kill, committ sexual acts with animals, steal,
or do drogs and none of that is righ to do.  A person struggling with same-sex
attraction has the right to act on their sexual feelings. Not everyone feels
this way and it is not part of 'sin' and Adam and Eve were not real people
and so they didn't make 'bad decisions'. Comments like this don't misguide
people into having sex with a man as a solution. Having sex with a man is
a solution for a gay man struggling with his sexuality. It is hard to deal
with and it is hard to 'fight it' but they shouldn't find it and it is impossible to
do so despite what the WBTS tells you. It is not only a hard 'discipline' but
a bizarre one. You say the reason they are disfellowshipped in the eyes of the
JW's is to 'protect' the congregation because this person didn't want
to chamnge their behavior.  It's actually so they can hold onto their anti-sexual
and homophobic views and controll the sexual behavior of other consenting
adults.  Yes they are not disfellowshiped if they repent but they have
no reason to 'repent'. You claim that in the eyes of a JW committing
homosexuals acts is a 'sin'.  Well I think that the JW's are wrong for
viewing homosexual acts as a 'sin'.  You claim JW's being told to 'hate what is
bad' is wrong. Actually it's not. What the JW's view as 'bad' usually doesn't
do any harm. You ignorantly claim that it is not in your eyes but your god
who 'forbids' homosexual acts, not the desire. Well, your god has no reason
, not a good one anyways to 'forbid' homosexual acts.  You hate what is bad
i.e homosexual acts and not the person. How irrational! You have no reason to
hate homosexual acts and Andrew was not saying anything about your
god whom he don't believe exists or the JW's which he was factually reporting
about what they believe about homosexual, Andrew does have the correct
information and isn't doing it because he is 'resentful' and if Andrew thinks
they way he sees things as correct , then that is his business.






Carlos,
No, Steve doesn't view the Jewish and Christian text as your god's 'word'
and your right that that is fine. The bible might read that many would not
follow your god's 'word' and that us because the men who wrote the bible
were ignorant.  Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah does not 'say' that having sex with
another man is a 'sin'. The authors who wrote that attributed those words
to their god. Fortunately, that is something we actually don't have to 'live with'
despite what you say. If Steve decided to have sex with another gay that
is fine. Whoever believes in your god does not have to understand that
there are many things their hearts desire that are 'not right'.  The many things that
their heart desires are right if they don't hurt anyone which includes
the tendency to have homosexual sex. You quote a passage from the Book of
Jeremiah in the Jewish bible about the heart being 'more treacherous' than
anything else and is desperate. I don't agree that the heart is more 'treacherous'
or 'desperate' than anything else. That is quite a wrong view.







Carlos,
You have read the bible which is something you claim the JW's do daily. Well,
not without using the WBTS approved literature.  The men who wrote the
bible were not 'inspired' by your god. You ask how can Steve explain that
they lived in different times and you claim what they wrote is the 'same'
and the prophecies 'have' been 'fulfilled' in these days. No, they did not
write the 'same' things and none of the prophecies have been 'fulfilled' in our
modern times. You are the one who is ignorant , not Steve. He's has read the
whole bible and seems to to understand it and knows that what is written
it is right or wrong which I cannot say the same for you. We have innate
morality to tell us what is right or wrong, not the bible. It is not your god
Someone who has more power than Steve and society can decide what
is wrong or not for him depending on the circumstance. You accuse Steve
of saying that the bible is not the 'word' of your god because it doesn't go
with what he thinks is wrong and no your wrong on that count too, Carlos.
It isn't that he is telling your god is wrong and that Steve is right. That's not
what he is saying. He is saying that people that wrote the next are wrong
for saying your god hates gay sex and he probably would say your god
is wrong for telling gays not to have sex which actually would be wrong
if your god actually said that but chances are he probably didn't and even
if he did, he would have no good reason to tell gays not to have sex.








Carlos:

Steve's comment to you does not 'prove' that he was never a JW. He did not
'pretend' to be one like you want to believe.  We do not know who wrote each
book of the bible, or their names nor do we know the approximate time when
they wrote like you so arrogantly claim.  You are not a biblical scholar. You accuse
Steve of not being able to link what the authors wrote to see what the
'similarities' are because he was not 'reading it consciously'. I think Steve
understands what they wrote and seems that the presumed 'similarities'
conflict with one another which you are too foolish to see. You may not
need Steve to pity you. He does because your a sex-hating, repressed
bisexual male. The 'purpose' you have in your life is your business but
it seems fucked up to me and the 'happiness' you feel is probably not
'happiness' at all. You claim you are doing your best to make your god 'happy'
and you want to 'help' others to do the same. Well, what makes your god 'happy'
is quite wrong. You again, accuse Steve of wanting to have sex with guys and
that is awesome for him. It would be if he were bisexual or gay but he's not.
You claim your 'not missing anything' but I think you are. You state if were
were supposed to have sex with men then women wouldn't have existed
and men would be able to give birth. How stupid are you, Carlos. Gay men
are supposed to have sex with men, idiot. Women still exist even if men have
sex with other men and maybe someday men will be able to give birth. You
clearly don't understand the science behind sexuality but I wouldn't expect
a moron like you to anyways.





Carlos,
You claim with your god's 'help' you will never stop being a JW.  You don't have
to but don't expect people to unconditionally or uncritically agree with your
denominational beliefs or practices. You are certain of what you believe and
yet you cannot prove any of it.  I think without evidence what you believe
with such 'certainty' is wrong but you are still entitled to it. You quote another
passage from your text as reading that  some seeds just 'don't grow on the right
ground'. Seeds are supposed to grow on the right ground, sometimes
they do and sometimes they don't. Can you explain that? No. You are quite a foolish man but
I feel empathy for you but you clearly only repeat your religious propaganda
and that is really all your ignorant ass can do. No bisexual or gay man
would want such a dipshit as you for a boyfriend, at least until you grow up.






Carlos,
I don't believe the way your god 'talks' to people through the bible.  The bible
has no credibility. Steve does think before he writes and yes the GB has
stated that masturbation is a 'sin', oral sex between heterosexual married
couples is a 'sin' and a women who is raped is guilty of having sex without
being married which is punishable if she doesn't scream.  I do agree that is
so wrong but not for the same reasons that you do. You claim that Steve
needs to get information 'right' before he cooments. No, you do. Masturbation
is not a 'sin' you say? I agree that masturbation is not a 'sin' and neither is
having sex with the same gender. I don't believe in the concept of 'sin'. 
The things that Steve was saying were 'done in the past' and yes some
probably were and you claim that when Jesus came to earth that things
'changed'. Really? Funny, Jesus was Jewish and claimed that not one word
of the Jewish law would change until the 'son of man' comes back to establish
Yahweh's kingdom. Yes, Steve would say that a person who loves to have
sex with animals and that a person who loves and dog has sex with it
is not doing the right thing. Homosexual sex is not comparable to bestiality.
Your such a sick freak, Carlos!





Carlos,
You quote a WBTS book that reads those who have fallen into the 'habit' of
masturbation are often plagued with gilt. Without a doubt being
saddened in a 'godly' way which can give them the incentive to 'overcome'
the 'habit and you quote from the 2nd Book of the Corinthians. Quoting from
an ancient text does not help your case. People who masturbate are only
guily becase religious sex-hating fundamentalist tell them it is wrong and that
they will be punished for masturbating, duh! You quote from the Book of
Proverbs in the Jewish bible that reads excessive guilt can be
counterproductive and can make one feel discouraged that they just
want to give up the fight. Well excessive guilt not only can be counterproductive
but it IS counterproductive.  I don't think either of these passages are referring
to masturbation though which means you are straying from the topic. Steve
doesn't need to 'strive' to put the matter 'into perspective', I think you do,
Masterbation is not a form of 'uncleanness'. It does not make you a
'slave to various desires and pleasures' and it does not foster 'unhealthy
attitudes' which you quote from the Book of Titus which has wrong
views on masturbation. You claim that masterbation is not a form of
'gross sexual immorality' such as having sex without being married.
You then quote the a from the Book of Jude as if that hold any authority at
all. Having sex without being married is not a 'gross form of sexual immorality'
nor is it 'immoral' at all.  You claim that if Steve has a problem with masturbation
which he doesn't then he doesn't need to conclude that he has commited the
'unforgivable sin'. What part don't you understand that Steve doesn't think
masturbation is wrong or the 'unforgivable sin'. You claim that the key
is to 'resist' the urge and never to give up your 'fight'. You should not
resist the urge to masturbate and you should give up the worthless 'fight'
because you cannot and should not control your sexual feelings.  You may
repress yourself but that doesn't mean you are a healthy individual. You then
say if he wants to get the 'right information' that he should visit the JW
denominational website and you insist that he will find the 'right' information
there. I don't think he will find the 'right information' at the JW website which
is biased. They do whatever it takes to reinforce what they want to believe.
Steve did not say that we are ones that decide what's right or wrong, sometimes
we do but we have innate moral senses to tell us what is right and wrong too.
Therefore people who have sex with animals may think they are doing the
'right' thing, are they wrong? Yes. Would Steve say that it is bad? Yes?
What if he had a child and some random person raped him or her , is the
child molester doing a bad thing? Yes.  He might think that having sex with
children is the right thing to do but it is not. Does that give him the right
to say that having sex with children is okay? Well, we can't say that
he can't view it is right but we can evalute that his having sex with children
actually harms the child and we can punish him for acting on his urges to
have sex with children. You claim you are 'confused' now. You sure are but
not for the same reasons that I think you are confused. Having gay sex is not
the same as sexually abusing a child.