Jay H. and Michael Pianko, members of AtheistNexus.org, are they transphobic?

 Comment by jay H on July 11, 2015 at 9:02pm
"doctors and midwives commit this procedure on infants every single day, in every single country."
I knew this would happen. Now it's becoming politically incorrect to announce 'it's a boy' or 'it's a girl' because the gender warriors will decry your impertinence. (Perhaps there is a reason why it's done like that everywhere... perhaps because it really is sensible).I observed this thought half jokingly, I figured it would take a while, like a decade. Apparently not.  But now it looks lie the inmates are taking over the asylum.
Can't see this as much more than nonsense. With the possible exceptions or hermaphrodites etc, there is not much scientific evidence for 'male in a female body' or vice versa. There is no real neurological basis for this (as in brain studies that would actually provide physical evidence this exists). BTW in Sweden, where gender change surgery is common and socially accepted, still after-surgery trans genders have something like 10 to 20 times higher suicide rate. It seems better to accept oneself as gay, and live that way.
Caitlyn/Bruce has a perfect right to pursue happiness, but is NOT a real woman. Not genetically, not biologically, not neurologically, and certainly not developmentally--essentially Jenner is just a medically produced caricature of a woman; a surgically modified (mutilated?) man with delusions. This does not differ much from people who believe they are really cats. or space aliens, vampires or even Napoleon. They are certainly free to follow their fantasies, and others of us are free not to buy into them.
A recent article, in all seriousness, listed over 20 different 'genders', each with preferred pronouns of address. And the number keeps growing as precious little snowflakes demand their own new gender so they too can be unique.
Now none of this commentary has a single thing to do with religion. It's more a matter of calling out the mush-mindedness of our culture, who are so afraid of being viewed as discriminatory, that they will buy into anything that is currently ideologically labelled as 'inclusive'.
It's time to stop being 'open minded' to the point of complete indecisiveness.
http://atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/transformer-transition-transgender?xg_source=activity&id=2182797%3ABlogPost%3A2621631&page=1#comments


  



Jay H. thinks that people consider it "politically incorrect" to refer to a child or a boy or a girl because gender warriors will decry such people's impertinence. He's says that
perhaps there is a reason for why it is done like that everywhere, perhaps because it "really is sensible" in his yes.  He views this as the "inmates taking over the asylum" and
sees it being no more than nonsense.  He claims that with the possible exceptions of intersexuals or "hermaphrodites" as he calls him that there is "not much evidence for 'male
in a female' body' and vice versa., which he puts it quotations.  He claims that there is "no real neurological basis for this as in brain studies that would actually provide physical evidence that this phenomena exists".  He says that in Sweden that transgender persons are 10 to 20 times more likely to commit suicide and claims that it "seems better to accept oneself as gay and live that way". Jay H., did it occur to you that transgender people have such a high suicide rate because of people like you denying that they cannot truly identify with the opposite gender of what they were born?  Are you a psychologist or just a bigot who fears what he doesn't understand? 


He talks of a recent article that listed 20 different genders with different pronouns and that this number keeps growing as "precious little snowflakes demand their own new gender so that they can be unique".  What's wrong with that exactly?   He claims that Caitlyn/"Bruce" Jenner has the right to pursue happiness, but that he is "not a real woman.  He claims that Jenner is " not genetically, neurologically and not developmentally a woman" and that Jenner is just a "medically-produced 'caricature' of a woman" who is a surgically-modified man with "delusions".  He claims that this does "not differ much" from people who believe that they are really cats, space aliens, vampires or Napoleon Bonaparte.  He says that they are free to follow their fantasies and that others are free not to buy into them.  Transgenderism is psychological according to what medical experts have said and some transgendered people can live just fine without having a sex change operation, but it is not a "disorder", the feeling of strong discomfort that transgendered people feel when their psychical appearance doesn't match their psychological view of gender is what doctors view as dysphoria. Gender isn't just physical.  Maybe Jay H. is a closeted and self-hating transgendered person.


Jay claims that none of his commentary has to do with religion, but that it is a matter of "calling out the mush-mindedness" of our culture" whom he thinks are so afraid of being viewed as discriminatory that they will buy into anything that is currently being "ideologically labeled as inclusive" and he puts the word "inclusive" in quotations. He claims that it is time for people to "stop being open-minded to the point of complete indecisiveness". Jay H. can't seem to distinguish the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation, if you won't to view transgendered people with a prejudiced mind, Jay H., then go ahead. However, that doesn't mean that people like me aren't going to call you out on your views.  You seem like the kind of person who doesn't even want to understand transgenderism and gender, so why waste time on people like you.




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 Comment by Michael Pianko on Sunday
For awhile I have felt like from the moment a kid is born until the parents take it home, the kid must not be separated from the mother, even for a second. I really don't know and never tried to find out what kind of tests they think they have to do to new born kids, which the parents are not supposed to see. I probably will never have a kid but if I did have one and it is a girl, everything is fine but if it is a boy there will be a big struggle to prevent him from getting circumcised... My family would be mortified at me or worse... In theory I don't see anything that wrong with just not assigning a gender at birth and letting the kid figure it out for itself later... This would be weird at first because we're not used to it... Most kids would interact with other kids at school and then figure something out... We do live in an over-prudish religious-influenced sex-hating culture where parents are mortified when kids find out about sex or body functions or body parts, and so on... I still think people who feel like they are the wrong gender should see a good psychiatrist before deciding to get any kind of sex Chang surgery, in case the person has a mental disorder similar to people who want to get a leg or arm or hand or foot cut off... Surgery could be rather dangerous or traumatic or drastic, not that I want to be prejudiced against so called trans gender or transsexual people... What if all public bathrooms were unisex, with a lock on the door, and just big enough for one person?




Comment by Michael Pianko on Monday
I never thought about how I would react if I had a kid who feels he or she is the opposite gender he or she looked like. I would like to think I would try not to be too creeped out... maybe if my kid were transgendered I would explain to it that I would like to inhibit him or her from getting sex change surgery, that I already inhibited him or her from getting shots or getting circumcised or getting pierced or tattooed or going through any sort of trauma or suffering caused by medical people or peer pressure or society and I want to continue to inhibit these sorts of traumas or harms... I assume that a person born looking like a boy will not be able to give birth later in life if given sex change surgery and a person born looking like a girl will not be able to function sexually like a man later in life if given sex change surgery, and if my kid changes his mind after a surgery or if the surgery doesn't go "well" that would be a disaster, for the kid and for me... Is the kid expecting somebody to just magically, painlessly cut off his or her present body parts, reposition the urethra and creat perfectly functioning new parts so that he or she will feel like the opposite sex...






Michael Pianko claims that if he had a kid that he would let them figure out their gender for themselves and that it would be "weird at first" because his family would not be used to it.  He thinks that people who feel that they are the wrong gender should " see a good psychiatrist" before deciding to get any kind of sex-change surgery in case the person has a "mental disorder" similar to people who want to get a leg, arm, hand or foot caught off. He says that surgery could be rather "dangerous, traumatic and drastic", he says while claiming that he does not  want to be seen as being prejudiced towards transgendered people. He claims that what if all bathrooms were unisex with a lock on the door that are just big enough for one person. 


I don't think that there would be nothing wrong with that.  He claims that he doesn't know how he would react if he had a kid who feels that they are the opposite gender of  they were physically born as.  He would like to try and not be "too creeped out" and that if his kid was transgendered, he would explain to the child that he would " like to inhibit" them from getting a sex-change surgery, like he had already prohibited them from getting shots, being circumcised, getting pierced or tattooed or going through any sort of "trauma" or "suffering" that he thinks is caused by medical people, peer pressure or society and that he wants to continue to "inhibit" these sorts of "traumas or harms". 


He assumes that  person that was born looking like a boy will not be able to give birth later in life if given a sex change surgery. So what?  He assumes that a person born looking like a girl will "not be able to function sexually like a man later in life if given a sex change operation". All men are different, Michael.  All men function differently.  He says that if his kind changes their mind after a surgery or if the surgery doesn't go well, a word that he puts in quotations, that such an incident would be a disaster for the kid and for him. He asks if the kid is expecting someday to "magically and painlessly cut off his or her present body parts, reposition the urethra and create perfectly-functioning
new parts so that he or she will feel like the opposite sex". Hopefully, the kid won't think of it as being so simplistic. I think you should consult a doctor who specializes in
gender reassignment surgeries and transgender issues first, but I doubt that Michael would, I doubt that Jay H. would either.


Michael seems like a self-hating Jew who hates circumcision to death. Jay H. wants the privilege of being prejudiced towards transgendered and possibly, intersexed people without being called prejudiced, or at least being challenged on his views.  Yes, we can be decisive on what counts as discrimination, but we shouldn't base discrimination on characteristics that do no harm to anyone else, like transgenderism, homosexuality, skin color, race, ethnicity or national origin.  I hope that neither of them ends up with a transgendered child. I'd fear for the child's mental and psychologically health, being born to fathers who probably wouldn't accept them.  Isn't that how many religious people treat their atheistic children?