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 Comment by Bertold Brautigan 15 hours ago
Thanks for the memories, Daniel!
She got one thing right when she said "My word isn't truth." If she's the future of Christianity, I'd say we've already won. I love that down in the comments some viewer posted for her edification Betty Bowers' explanation of "traditional marriage." That ought to straighten her right out.
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 Comment by Chrissie Farthing yesterday
Wow Daniel, that just proves that all the Fruit Loops don't come in a box.  She claims to have read her Bibble Book but I bet she means that someone told her about all the grody bits that she really wants to believe.  Of course, them being super
holy people they would never Lie?  That book is so right in every way, you know why, because the book says it is the truth and you are not allowed to disagree.
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 Comment by Daniel W yesterday
I hate to say it, but I laughed at this looney-tune person's meltdown.

TheNewCivilRightsMovement.com

Maybe she ran out of valium.
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 Comment by sk8eycat yesterday
Time's article is WAYYYY overdue.
Churches should never have been tax-exempt, and it should have been written into the constitution.  They are a business, like any other...that's entertainment.  If you buy tickets for a Broadway show or a circus, the tax is included in the overall price.
With honest bookkeeping, small congregations would probably not have to pay anything.  Of course mega-churches don't know the meaning of "honest," but I'd love to see them go bankrupt the way Robert Schuller has. They deserve it just for being arrogant,
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 Comment by Pat yesterday
Time's article is spot on. But, like Loren said, premature. I hope to see the day government lives up to the admonition that Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion by giving them tax exemptions. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be in my lifetime.
On another note, here's a great video courtesy of a reference by Brother Richard. The glaring difference between an adult who learned to hate, and a child who learned love.

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 Comment by Joan Denoo yesterday
Time magazine's article is yeast in the mix of questioning the heavy emphasis on religion in USA. I agree, Loren, it is premature, and it is a seed.
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 Comment by Loren Miller yesterday
That's one hell of a statement Time magazine makes, there, Carl.  I see a serious problem with it, though, in that it would tend to ruin the small congregations which may or may not be innocuous, while the mega-churches with millions in their coffers would be able to survive, though taking a substantial monetary hit.  Exactly HOW churches would be taxed, on what scale and at what rates, would be the topic for endless debate all by itself.  Indeed, with all the god-talk that goes on in Congress as it is, how such a bill could get out of committee, never mind getting an up-or-down vote with the current make up of the House and Senate, is a question mark at best.
A further problem would be that the US government would be accused of pulling a massive about-face on its principles and indulging in clear persecution of religion, with butt-hurt christians leading the way, of course.  Personally, I see such a move while religion remains dominant in the US as a non-starter.  Reduce that influence with grass-roots action as atheists, agnostics and freethinkers are doing now to the point where we more closely resemble England in its religion attitudes and it might be a lot more possible.
I'm glad Time did what they did.  I just think it's premature.
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 Comment by The Flying Atheist yesterday
Daniel, Time magazine just published a editorial advocating that religious organizations should lose their tax-exempt status.

Now’s the Time To End Tax Exemptions for Religious Institutions
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 Comment by Joan Denoo on Tuesday
I had a devil of a time getting this posted. So I copied and pasted it on another site and it was posted. Now, I see this one was finally posted a minute ago. Sorry for the duplicate.
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 Comment by Joan Denoo on Tuesday
If there were a god he/she/it would be giving the same message to each nation on every continent. The imperative would be to live in peace with justice for all. The purpose would be to create a world of people making the decisions in the interest of the health of individuals, tribes, communities, nations, and religions. There would be no fight over doctrine. There would be an emphasis on community building. Voluntary population control would be part of the litany. The focus would be on cleanliness to prevent disease spread and an emphasis on problem-solving and conflict resolution. The highest value would be win/win with each one having a valid right to contribute and consume.
What does exist seems to be an appetite for the accumulation of wealth and treasure. There are hierarchies that create class systems.
A participatory structure based on need and availability of food and resources requires discipline to manage. If god existed, he/she/it would guide in setting limits. Sexual appetites based on desire would provide birth control instructions that work.
If there is no god, any gods, and there is nothing listening or answering prayers, and there is no savior to redeem us, and there is no heaven, hell, nirvana or whatever, then Homo sapiens have to take charge of their lives. Stop depending on imaginary powers to solve problems.
Begin to think in terms of taking responsibility for ones' safety, security and stability. Provide food for all and teach our children how to be self-sufficient. Provide work in maintaining our infrastructure. Develop strategies for access to life-long education and health care. Create the means to care for elderly through the aging process until death.
Because there is no god, and Homo sapiens evolved from the great apes, and because Homo sapiens have the ability to see what is real, identify problems, search for options, develop action plans and evaluate progress, we, unlike great apes, can manage our lives.
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 Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner 13 minutes ago
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 Comment by Bertold Brautigan 4 hours ago
Per Queerty--


Coming Soon: A Virulently Homophobic Feature By Kirk Cameron’s Creationist Buddy, Ray Comfort

Grab your Bible, brimstone and buttered popcorn! Ray Comfort, a close personal pal of confirmed Creationist wackadoodle Kirk Cameron, is about to release a feature-length film called Audacity, which plumbs the depths of two hot-button issues: gay marriage and God’s unstoppered wrath.

 Related: Kirk Cameron + Ray Comfort’s 150th Anniversary Edition of Darwin’s Theory Includes … Creationism
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 Comment by Bertold Brautigan 5 hours ago
And here's the parody version.
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 Comment by Joan Denoo 6 hours ago
Silly! Do you remember when judges sat in judgment of others and gave long lectures, silly lectures by my standards? I listened to some silly lectures from judges when I interviewed them about family violence. I heard silly things from them, kind of like that blond hysteric woman. There is something about religion that makes people crazy, silly ... like the law enforcement officers who hit or shoot someone that does not look as they do or behave as police instruct them. Silly. Kind of reminds me of the abusive men I interviewed and listened to their tirades about how women cause men to hit women. Silly! Or the ministers I interviewed who defined women's roles and their imperative to submit. Silly! Or the police chief I interviewed who told raped women to lay back and enjoy it. Silly!
The time is come to just laugh at these foolish people and get on with life, with all the joys, beauty, love that surrounds us. After all, we are not born to listen to foolish men and women. We are born to love, and care, and to be compassionate, and strong, and wise, and grateful for all that is so very good.
I want to cry when I listen to such foolishness.
Laughing feels better and I can get mobilized faster if I see them as clowns! Or buffoons, or fools, or idiots, or dolts, or simpletons, or ignoramuses.
They are hate mongers, no other words fits them. I intend to be clear about how I feel about their nonsense. No need to be polit in the face of fools.

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 Comment by Bertold Brautigan 7 hours ago
Apparently to them as to most Christians being victimized means not getting to call all of the shots all of the time. They used to be able to fool all of the people all of the time (and just kill any holdouts), but the times they have a-changed.
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 Comment by Grinning Cat 7 hours ago
What chutzpah for catholicvote.org to present believers in dogma and discrimination as the "victims" here!
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 Comment by Daniel W 7 hours ago
@Bertold, I love reading good news!

Here is a video that's been going around regarding Catholics with a secret so shamed by society, and they feel so persecuted, they need great courage to admit it.
 Reminds me of the old anti-marriage "Gathering Storm" video from several years ago. There were so many spoofs and responded to that ad, it was difficult to find the original.
 That one went over like a lead balloon, too.
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 Comment by Loren Miller 9 hours ago
Wow!  To put it at its mildest, THAT was impressive as HELL, Bertold!  Seems like there's at least one christian out there who takes what I would hope the most positive aspects of Jesus' message to heart.
Wish there were more of 'em.
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 Comment by Bertold Brautigan 9 hours ago

In contrast, here's a very different reaction in a highly unusual Christian act of contrition:
A Southern Christian Asks for Forgiveness at a Gay Pride Festival
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