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Why are so many atheists here so liberal?
Posted by Michael Pianko on June 27, 2015 at 10:35pm in Water Cooler
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The most frequent posters on this website are so over-liberal. Not that politics has much to do with the fact that there is no god and religion is non-sense.

In general:
Liberals hate the second amendment of the United States constitution, the right to own firearms. Now I am Jewish according to heritage, and what do you want me to do when the nazis or the ku klux klan (or anybody) break into my home?

Liberals like to create victims. They whine and complain that there are so many poor people. So rather than find a way to put them to work, they would rather steel from productive people and give it to the unproductive poor people so they can continue to not work.

Global warming or climate change is imaginary. The average world temperature has not risen enough to make any difference, and the earth always heals itself. I am against air pollution as much as anybody else and the world is not going to turn into hell any time soon.

As for discussions about the confederate flag, I don't necessarily care whether it is displayed or not, and what about jim crow laws and prejudice against black people in the North? A flag is merely a piece of fabric until you check the owners pulse and give them a lie detector test, you don't know what kind of person they are. Just suddenly replacing one piece of fabric with a different piece of fabric with a different design doesn't mean whoever displays the new fabric with the new design has the attitudes you want them to have, is not prejudiced against some people, and so on.

I'm a more of a libertarian conservative than the typical republican dogma, and a small government conservative.

Everything that can at all possibly be handled by private organizations should be handled by private organizations and not the government.

Abortion is fine with me.

I'm fine with homosexuals getting married in the sense that I don't want to be prejudiced against homosexuals. From my viewpoint as a typical person, marriage shouldn't exist because it was invented in order for religions to make you have to get permission from the religion before you engage in man-woman relationship behavior because the religion wants you to have children and teach your children your religion. And you shouldn't have to get permission from a government before you engage in a man-woman relationship and the government shouldn't be prejudice against homosexuals and there shouldn't be such a thing as benefits you get after you get a piece of paper that says you are married that you can't just get without a piece of paper that says you are married. A lot of atheists still think about man-woman relationships like religious people do.

Liberals hate capitalism. They despise people who do work and make a lot more money than them. The more money rich people pay in taxes, the less money they have left to hire people. Have you ever worked for a poor person? All taxes are theft or extortion.

I'm sure there are more ways liberals want to screw up society but I think this is enough for one discussion.


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 Permalink Reply by Michael Pianko on Tuesday
Having people's garbage picked up does not require a government monopoly on garbage collection. You would be smart enough to pick your own garbage collection service. You should get a choice of who provides your services and getting the services you want does not have to require a government monopoly on providing those services. If somebody doesn't keep their property free of garbage or maintained to some minimum standard than the home-owners association or police or somebody could give the person a ticket or worse depending or what people vote on. You seem to want a powerful government hanging over your head like a parent or a god, "guaranteeing" that everything will go your way. And taxes entail extortion, or threats of violence against people who wouldn't want to pay the taxes. The extortion or theft or threats of violence morally negates the so called benefits of any services paid for by taxes. People also have this idea that making a profit is evil and this idea is false. Nobody goes to work just to help others, or people would all work for free. You work so you can make as much money as possible.
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 Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on Wednesday

Reply to Michael Pianko, Tuesday, June 30, 2015
In the name of efficiency, economy, and effectiveness, it makes sense to have one truck come by on a regular basis to collect garbage. Having the noise and pollution of more than one collection truck, a week seems unnecessary. Living in a civil society requires participating in activities that reduce traffic even if the company is not one of a person’s choice. One can call it government monopoly on garbage collection if one wants. I call it being frugal, effective and efficient.
If one does not like the official garbage collectors, one can go to city council and register a complaint. If the city council does not listen or does not take action upon one’s complaint, then one can take part in the next election offering a candidate that hears and understands one’s issues.
Yes, I agree, if homeowners  do not keep their property free of garbage and maintain some modicum of care, a complaint can be filed with the city council or police department. I had a problem with my next door neighbor and his garbage, and we had weekly pick-up by the city designated company. My neighbor was a lawyer and thought he could bamboozle me with his legalize. The police took care of the problem for me.
I perceive government as an asset, a friend, a resource for solving problems. They are my friends unless and until they demonstrate that they are not worthy of my trust. When that happens, I have recourse that works at the local level, not so much at the state and national level. However, I am a good community organizer and know how to replace people in office. I have done it more than once.
I am not interested in a god or parent taking care of me. I am interested in getting on with my business and not having to tend to some problems that can effectively and efficiently be handled by my government.
Some people call taxes extortion. I do not! I perceive taxes as the cost of living in a civilized society. If I can afford to live in the city, then I pay taxes required of me for services rendered.
Making a profit is not evil, it is what work is all about! There is a demand for some goods or services, I provide them, I expect to earn a profit. If the gain is not high enough, I stop offering the product.
I laughed when President Reagan called attention to a Mexican woman who built an excellent business by making and selling tacos off a van. In fact, she made a fortune and contributed significantly to Reagan’s campaigns. What Reagan didn’t tell was the horrid wages she paid her illegal immigrants to make that fortune.
There seems to be a difference between liberals and libertarians. Liberals care about people, especially vulnerable people. Libertarians tend to care about making profits off the backs of others. People don’t make fortunes by producing goods and services; they make money off the labor of others and paying non-living wages.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Pianko on Wednesday
There should be no legal minimum wage. The market would determine the average wage for various kinds of work. I do not make a "living wage". I work as a librarian and and you would think I make enough, but my basic expenses are so high that I actually got a raise in pay just this week, but between now and next year my expenses will still be greater than the amount of money I get. I am paying my car insurance with a credit card and paying the minimum payment on the card each month. And I owe fifty-two thousand dollars to various lenders. See, I am poor, just at a higher level than some people. Other people may earn less than I do but still be in the opposite of debt because they have fewer expenses. So why do liberals think they are so smart that they know what a "living wage" is or how much money somebody "needs"? I need or "need" my company to spend twenty-three dollars an hour on me.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Pianko on Wednesday
In fact when there is a minimum wage there is no motivation for people to pay more than a few cents above the minimum wage.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn on Wednesday

Iesous Christos! You need to learn how to manage some money! I'm a liberal and if I owed like that I would have to change my name and run away!
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 Permalink Reply by matthew greenberg yesterday

it does not appear as though the market is doing you any favors.  perhaps you are genuinely unworthy.  only you know that. 

i'm curious, why do you say that you are poor but "just at a higher level than some people"?  it sounds to me that you are on the verge of economic disaster.  i hope you take advantage of the social programs that will keep you alive once the shit hits the fan for you.  or not, i'm not so sure that i care one way or the other due to your flippant attitude towards others in need. 
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia yesterday

Nobody forced you drive a vehicle you can't afford, pay insurance you can't afford, to use a credit card to pay car insurance fees you can't afford, or put you deeper & deeper into debt except you.
You need to stop the wanting something for nothing attitude, face reality, & GROW UP!
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 Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo yesterday

My response to Michael Pianko Tuesday, June 30, 2015
The market is not now, nor never has been free. If a person needs someone to help produce goods and services, the help should earn a living wage. With the needs of people to support families the minimum wage was created by the USDA to provide a stable income for lower wage earners. With the growing gap between rich and poor, the system performs in an out-of-balance manner. A balance needs to be maintained.
You pay excruciatingly high car insurance. It is none of my business, but why? Don't answer me, but ask yourself, why? You pay it by credit card and pay the minimum payment each month! Why? Don’t you realize how much you pay in interest on that money?
I made it a rule 41 years ago to never pay interest for credit card debt. I pay it off every month and always have. The funny part of this story is 41 years ago a woman could not get a credit card in her name without her husband’s, father’s, son’s or male friend’s name.

“I owe fifty-two thousand dollars to various lenders.”
What? I have never owed more than $10,000 in my life and that was when I bought my home. It was a condemned building when I bought it and I created a beautiful home and garden out of that wreck. I surely do feel good about myself. I worked minimum wage jobs, went to school evenings and weekends and earned a B.A. and Master’s degrees and then was able to earn a modest living.
The basic rule is: never spend more than you earn!
Yes, you are poor, you will always be poor at this rate. Did you have a major injury or illness? Or did you have to pay for your mother’s health care because she didn’t have health insurance when she got older? Or did you get your college degree using loans instead of grants or scholarships? There is a reason you have such a high debt. Why? It is none of my business so don’t answer me. Ask yourself why?
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia yesterday

Not to mention putting food on the table for your 3 children!
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 Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo yesterday

Ah! that is where my huge garden came in. We grew enough vegetables to last all year. The kids helped me can, dry and freeze foods.
I went to our local grocery Mom and Pop store and told them my situation, what I was doing to feed the kids and what I needed. I asked them if they would help me develop some strategy to get protein and dairy for the kids. They offered to allow me to scavenge in their back room. I could get out of date eggs, milk, cheese and meat for $1.00 a bushel sized box per week. I did that for a year. I have shopped there for the 40 years since, paying regular price through the cash register. Their generosity served us both well.
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia yesterday

That's what I mean......you didn't want something for nothing, & bitch about it too.
 Permalink Reply by Michael Pianko 1 hour ago
You know who loves efficiency? Totalitarian regimes. They may be efficient at various tasks including killing and torturing people.
 Bureaucracies are not efficient.
 People would not mind if a few different garbage trucks roll down your street. Some people may just want the cheapest service. Other people may want to pay more for a service where the garbage people will pick up every last piece of garbage if A garbage bag. breaks open.
 Not every service is easy to have a choice about but whenever possible people should have a choice of who provides varoius services, a choice of where to buy their groceries and supplies, a choice of which bowling place or movie theater to visit, a choice of which health insurance to get or whether you even want the insurance. Suppose I am healthy and I want only minimal coverage? And if you say there is a good chance I will end up in the hospital, then that is a rather lousy attitude, do you want me to get amyotrophic lateral sclerosis? (My grandfather got ALS and dropped dead when he was 36).
 Yes it would be hard to have more than one police of fire department, but suppose the fire department lets your house burn down if it catches fire and you didn't sign up for and pay for coverage? There are ways to raise money for the important things without just extorting money from people. Suppose they have to save somebody's life or there's no time to figure out whether you signed up for services? So, let then act first and give you the bill later if you didn't already pay.
 If you make the "wrong choice" it is your own fault and you do not need a big, over demanding, powerful federal government hanging over your head like a parent, constantly telling you what to do.
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Why are so many atheists here so liberal?
Posted by Michael Pianko on June 27, 2015 at 10:35pm in Water Cooler
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The most frequent posters on this website are so over-liberal. Not that politics has much to do with the fact that there is no god and religion is non-sense.

In general:
Liberals hate the second amendment of the United States constitution, the right to own firearms. Now I am Jewish according to heritage, and what do you want me to do when the nazis or the ku klux klan (or anybody) break into my home?

Liberals like to create victims. They whine and complain that there are so many poor people. So rather than find a way to put them to work, they would rather steel from productive people and give it to the unproductive poor people so they can continue to not work.

Global warming or climate change is imaginary. The average world temperature has not risen enough to make any difference, and the earth always heals itself. I am against air pollution as much as anybody else and the world is not going to turn into hell any time soon.

As for discussions about the confederate flag, I don't necessarily care whether it is displayed or not, and what about jim crow laws and prejudice against black people in the North? A flag is merely a piece of fabric until you check the owners pulse and give them a lie detector test, you don't know what kind of person they are. Just suddenly replacing one piece of fabric with a different piece of fabric with a different design doesn't mean whoever displays the new fabric with the new design has the attitudes you want them to have, is not prejudiced against some people, and so on.

I'm a more of a libertarian conservative than the typical republican dogma, and a small government conservative.

Everything that can at all possibly be handled by private organizations should be handled by private organizations and not the government.

Abortion is fine with me.

I'm fine with homosexuals getting married in the sense that I don't want to be prejudiced against homosexuals. From my viewpoint as a typical person, marriage shouldn't exist because it was invented in order for religions to make you have to get permission from the religion before you engage in man-woman relationship behavior because the religion wants you to have children and teach your children your religion. And you shouldn't have to get permission from a government before you engage in a man-woman relationship and the government shouldn't be prejudice against homosexuals and there shouldn't be such a thing as benefits you get after you get a piece of paper that says you are married that you can't just get without a piece of paper that says you are married. A lot of atheists still think about man-woman relationships like religious people do.

Liberals hate capitalism. They despise people who do work and make a lot more money than them. The more money rich people pay in taxes, the less money they have left to hire people. Have you ever worked for a poor person? All taxes are theft or extortion.

I'm sure there are more ways liberals want to screw up society but I think this is enough for one discussion.


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 Permalink Reply by matthew greenberg 1 hour ago

go live in the woods then.  grab your go-bag (you know you have one!) and take off into the boonies.  live off the land and avoid Uncle Sam.  if you survive more than a year and want to rejoin civilized society we'll probably accept you - just be sure to pay your back taxes!
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck yesterday


Having people's garbage picked up does not require a government monopoly on garbage collection.
Michael, your lack of experience in public administration has you doing some very low-quality thinking.
I would explain but your posts have shown that you have closed your mind to everything that others might say.
If you want my explanation, demonstrate that you can open your mind. Choose several of the remedies you are demanding and for each one post at least one alternative remedy. For each one, do some comparing and contrasting.

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 Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on Tuesday

Tom, I very much appreciate your words of caution to remember the First Amendment in relation to Michael. I also recognize to use valid and reliable rebuttals in a discussion. I know this is not a place for debate, however when a statement occurs, I and others have a right and a responsibility to respond with appropriate words and attitudes.
Your caution provides an important element that we can learn and practice. Thanks.
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