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My response to Mark Sanderson’s “come home to Jehovah” November broadcast
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Posted on November 4, 2015

Mark Sanderson makes an emotional appeal for inactive ones to return
Mark Sanderson makes an emotional appeal for inactive ones to return

Last night I was contacted by one of my Facebook friends who was facing a dilemma.
They had themselves been approached by a believing relative regarding the November JW Broadcasting episode, hosted by Mark Sanderson.
This new episode revisits the “Return to Jehovah” theme from the brochure release at the last convention, and beckons inactive ones to come “home” through a dramatic series of experiences and re-enactments – deliberately playing on the emotions rather than answering any intellectual concerns or factual objections.
Empowered by this overt propaganda, it seems some Witnesses are wasting no time in contacting their estranged family members to relay the Governing Body’s message, and this person asked me how they should reply.
I would never issue a script for this sort of situation, because I actually think it is far more compelling when individuals express themselves authentically on such important subjects. That said, here is how I would respond if I were asked to watch the latest broadcast and/or asked to come “home” to “Jehovah’s organization”…

I am touched that you have thought of me, but you should know I am already familiar with the latest JW Broadcasting episode and its message. My particular problem, shared by many who were raised as Witnesses, which this video does not address, is that I don’t believe the claims made by the Governing Body to be true. I cannot come “home” to any organization that teaches untrue things – especially to children. If you are convinced it is “the truth,” then please show me the evidence and I will request a bible study and start attending meetings. If you cannot show me evidence, or you tell me it’s all down to having enough “faith,” then you have to accept that your religious beliefs are no more substantiated than those taught by any other religion. I want to take this opportunity to let you know that I love you and think about you often and the happy times we shared together, and I hope that eventually your own hunger for truth will lead you to do objective research rather than simply accept everything you are told in one organization’s books, magazines and videos.
Obviously, due to the threat of shunning, most inactive Witnesses who are approached by family members will be prevented from being quite so honest. Any kind of statement such as the above that refutes the religious claims of the Governing Body would be responded to with severe punishment through shunning.
But if you are able to be honest with your relatives, perhaps because they already know how strongly you feel, or because you are, like me, disassociated (or disfellowshipped), I hope you will find the above response useful.
Harmful policies such as child abuse, shunning and blood transfusions aside, the reason we don’t go back is because it simply isn’t true. If we stick to that argument and refuse to be swayed or sidetracked by appeals to emotion, there’s a sliver of a chance that a friend or relative who is intellectually honest enough might start asking the hard questions themselves.
 
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The emotional beckoning of the inactive was not the only disturbing feature of the November broadcast. I will be addressing other issues, such as the segment on the Typhoon Haiyan video, in my next JW Broadcasting rebuttal which should be available at some point over the next three weeks. Please subscribe to my YouTube channel to be notified about this and other new videos.


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216 Responses to My response to Mark Sanderson’s “come home to Jehovah” November broadcast


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 alanv says:

 November 4, 2015 at 5:40 am
 
Would be great if my JW son approached me to try to get me to come back, but I know he wouldnt as he is aware that if he says anything to me about it, I will just say the same things as Lloyd would say, and he is afraid of the truth. He likes his JW life and seems ok with living a lie.
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 Anthony says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:15 pm
 
Just let him live his life the way he wants, If he likes living a lie what’s that to you ?
If its some kind of doctrinal issue that’s directly effecting individuals then speak out.
Otherwise I don’t see why people like you always feel the need to judge others by the way they live
There’s a lot of things about the jws which I don’t agree with, Which are wrong, but that’s not one of them.
That’s just an outright attack, Try approaching the police with them kind of remarks about your son, And they will soon correct your thinking.
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 tiger123 says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:07 pm
 
@ Anthony
Did I miss something? You go and berate Alanv. You rudely speak out in public about him and impute motives you have no basis for. Clearly your a JW with a I am better than you complex. The invocation of talking to the police about the matter??? Wow why don’t you try that one yourself, I bet you will look pretty dandy in a straight jacket.
Do yourself a favor and don’t blog the next time you go off your medication. Besides don’t you have some windows or a toilet to clean. Shhhh, did you hear that, I think your mother is calling you to come up from the basement and study your Watchtower.
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 Anthony says:

 November 5, 2015 at 4:52 am
 
Tiger
You mentioned a number of things there.
Let’s just say I am a JW ( which I am not ) Thankfully, Would that justify all that nasty hate coming from within you ?
Alanv is no more special than anyone else on this planet, We are all equals on this planet, With the same freedom of speech.
Regarding the police, I know exactly what I am talking about on that one, ( Your going to have to take my word on that one without any further explanations )
If you or any of your family came under attack from the JWS themselfs I would come to your assistance straight away as well.
I used to be a JW, But I agree with what Lloyd Evans said, You can drift that far that you don’t recall any good times left when in the JWS, And I also understand why Lloyd cannot be an activist any longer, Lloyd said they are just frightened cult members.
Sorry I am not going to go around hating anyone just to win the approval of people like yourself, Just so you can feel better about yourself ( I think for myself ) And always will.
alanv is in the wrong, Deep down you know that, That’s why you reacted the way you did.
I may not be a JW any longer but my faith in the Almighty himself is a 100 times stronger than when I was with the JWS.
If Jesus or Jehovah themselves wanted to deel with people like you, You would know about it.
Plus i don’t think I am better than anyone else at all, Everyone deserves to be treated as human beings, And yes, That includes the Jehovah’s witnesses as well, No matter what our views towards them are.
Sorry tiger, Not going to make you feel better about yourself on this one.
I was doing him and you a favor just pointing that out.
How you deal with that is up to you.
No need to respond back, Since I really don’t like engaging in these kind of conversations and issues.
There are a lot of people on this site who need help and support, And have had a difficult time when with the JWS. Help them.
Regards.
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 Anthony says:

 November 5, 2015 at 4:16 pm
 
Tiger
I know what you meen, but that’s the reality of life.
By the time people figure certain things out, Its to late, its all over, like Michael Cain said, life is not a reversal.
I am not a people follower.
If you put your trust in religious organizations they will let you down, That’s because they are all made up of fallible people by nature.
I stick to the way I understand things now, That works much better for me, No confusions that way.
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 tiger123 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:56 am
 
I certainly can appreciate your point of view of avoiding the confusion, by avoiding being a people follower. I encourage my family, that if you can’t reason to something then you need to do more investigation because something is missing.
Dogma only stagnates human progress and as you quoted life is not a reversal. I hope you will rethink your comments to Alanv, it is hard to have any family member be a JW and reject you and stay with their lies. I think that is what he is speaking about. It takes time to get over that when it is someone you love dearly. Because when you put as much love and time as you do with your children and they would choose anything, no matter what that would cause them not to be around you at all is very hard to take. I am fortunate my whole family and all of my close friends left shortly after I did and I have all of them in my life.

 
 
 
 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 5:21 am
 
Tiger
You are right, I don’t really know alanv, Its probably the way I read it, Or the way it came over.
I really don’t like all that rigid inflexible dogma of the witnesses, It just makes them judgemental on others, And they use it as a weapon to try and control people, One minute they talk to you, Then if you say something they personally don’t agree with, They withdrew from you.
I stopped going to the meetings years ago because of all them kind of confusing mind games, It was messing up my head, And what’s even worse, They do that to young ones and teenagers as well, At a time when the they need the parent’s the most, with all the confusions going on in there heads at that young age.
I have had some seriously huge arguments with the witnesses about all that, right in the middle of the meetings, That should say something about me, I always spoke my mind about doctrinal issues, They did not like that, they tried to stop me by using all that withdrawal approach to get me to conform as they say, In return I gave them back twice as much as they gave me, Just for involving me in the first place, Then using that thought reform or control techniques.
They avoid me altogether now which I like.
I also used to tell them the true meenings of some Greek words, like gentile times ( Kairos, greek ) which ( dose not ) imply a definite fixed time as they were teaching in there books to support the GB and there 1914 chronology, But rather just meens a general period of time.
I also pointed out to them that the Greek word for taking in knowledge ( John 17:3 ) Dose not meen that at all, It meens to know someone, Or get to know them on a personal basis. They used to look at me and think, who are you to question the governing body on how they translated the scriptures ? A lot of them stopped talking to me because I questioned that one, And sure enough, they change that Greek word back to ( knowing ) again in there 2013 revised translation.
It is a shame that witnesses stop talking to there family members just because of there interpretations to scriptures.
Its not the teachings of Jesus that caused divisions between father and son, Its the interpretations of the governing body itself which causes the divisions.
Regarding ( alanv ) I really don’t know his personal experiences on things, And how things effected him, Since everyone knows there own background to things and how it has effected them, I ment no harm by it, But I also kept in mind what Lloyd said, A lot of these people are frightened people deep down, And that makes me sensitive to how I treat them now, Or anyone for that matter.
I ment to say life is not a rehearsal, By Michael Cain, But reversal sounds o.k. as well.
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 Tiger123 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:53 pm
 
Your response to the witnesses is good and challenging their doctrine. I agree with many things you said. I have trouble understanding how you can feel offended when I challenged you and you felt hurt enough to respond. I challenged you in a very closed minded way making assertions that without evidence to help you see as you admit that you do not know Alanv. You response to him was personal. You quote Loyds comments and agree yet you are not having dialogue with him. You know as well as I do that is a way of garnering his favor when you chose to personally attack another commenter. If you believe what he says then just say it. Quoting him on his website is a cop out. Being a free thinker does not mean that you even have to express your opinion. In general that is called opinionated. The older I get the more I realize how hard it is not to be opinionated.
 As for law enforcemt. Perhaps you are an officer and that is how you feel. That may explain why you approach everything as an authority. My next door neighbor for 8 years was the police chief and I am certain that is not the way he feels.
I do not feel the need to tell others what to do, rather to seek understanding and fairness. Your statemts to Alanv were not seeking to help him, you berated him. He did not deserve
 It.
I see that you are disinclined to admit your fault in the matter. I will admit what I did was dogmatic and unfair. I hoped you would respond the way you did so you could see how it feels. No matter you have the right to your own opinion and I have the right to disagree.
Final thought. Most people like and associate with people that agree with their views. I try hard not to be that way, when someone challenged my view I try to think about
 What they are saying and then why they may view things that way and where did I gets viewpoint. I find that by doing that life is far more interesting. Even though we disagree does not bring any animosity on my part.
Best wishes

 
 
 
 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:04 pm
 
Tiger123
I allreay sent an apology to ( alanv )
Being a free thinker dose not meen a person is free from feelings or that they don’t make mistakes.
It just meens I think things through first, I don’t accept any religious dogma from anyone unless it can be 100% substantiated, Which I know no one can do.
I do approach things in a methodical way as you say, Free thinkers do that, The only things I go for 100% is the things that make 100% sence to begin with, Otherwise I would not be a true free thinker, If you think about it.
Don’t read into things to much, All I went by to begin with was that comment that alanv posted, I think most people may have thought he was being a bit to hard on his son, Since that comment was all they had to go by.
I was not making accusations or judging, I was just thinking about his son, Is that so bad ???
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 mackgg says:

 November 5, 2015 at 6:34 am
 
Anthony, you are a lemming. You are told how to be. How to think. And who you can and cant associate with. Keep following :)
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 Anthony says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:12 am
 
Mack
I am one of the most true ( Free Thinkers ) you will ever come across in life, You just don’t know it, But if only you did.
And i don’t follow anyone’s religious systems, With man made origins.
I also don’t follow former witnesses either who are filled with rage against other human beings, Who are caught up in systems.
If the witnesses are truely wrong about them being gods spokesmen, ((( Which I know they are wrong about anyway ))) Then you should be helping them, Not attacking them.
A lot of them witnesses are just following the GB, They don’t know any better, You lot with them past experiences should know better.
Instead of helping, your attacking.
I don’t follow any religious system, And I don’t follow people who have serious issues with them either.
I think for my self, Always will, And thats how i like it, And I think you know that.
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 tiger123 says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:44 pm
 
“I am one of the most true (free thinkers) you will ever come across in life, You just don’t know it. But if only you did”
Reminds me of what I told Kate Upton, I am one of the best looking people you will ever come across in life, you just don’t know it. But if only you did. Still waiting for her to give me a call when she figures it out. Lol

 
 
 
 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:01 pm
 
Mackgg
I typed in ( lemming pictures ) on the internet today, And a huge image of a rodent came up.
( Thought that was really funny )
Thanks for that.
I’m the rodent that broke free, who the GB are begging to come home.
They have given up on me now, You have to see the funny side to life, because when I was there, all I did was
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 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:05 pm
 
When I was there all I did was sleep. Forgot to add sleep.

 
 
 tiger123 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm
 
@ Anthony
Now that was a funny comment, loved it! I guess I am a rodent to. lol

 
 
 
 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:01 pm
 
Thought you would find that funny.
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 Anthony says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:33 pm
 
alanv
Since your son don’t approach you in the first place, I thought that itself should be great, But no, You need him to approach you as well just so you can tell him were to go.
I really don’t understand that kind of thinking mentality in people.
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 Anthony says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:39 pm
 
alanv
Sorry, But not going to make attacks on people just for the fun of making attacks.
That’s criminal behavior type thinking.
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 Anthony says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:02 pm
 
alanv
As you said, Your son is already aware of how you would react.
If I had a parent that was talking bad about me, Especially on national website, I would be ashamed of him.
Not defending the jws system itself, But you should know when something is right or wrong, And be able to make that distinction.
Maybe your the reason he’s a JW to begin with ?
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 tiger123 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:18 am
 
@Alanv
I was responding to Anthony and I stopped my comment short because I really wanted to direct the rest of what I had to say to you.
First off, I am sorry that you have a strained or even broken family relationship due to Watchtower. I will tell you the piece of the puzzle that helped me get my 3 closest friends (servants and Elders as well as their families out) as well as my Father, Sister and lastly my Mother. I cannot guarantee it will work, but if you have not tried it, it could be worth a try.
There was a special done by Lisa Ling about North Korea. In the special there was an eye doctor who risked his life to go to North Korea to help people who needed surgery regain their sight. During their time there they visited families who had pictures of the former leader Kim Jung Il on their walls. They looked at those pictures with the reverence of a God. Almost all of the people the video to, quickly commented how ridiculous that was and could not help but wonder how could intelligent people fall victim to such a terrible regime?
By the end of the show the doctor had many of the patients come to what looks like a church with photos of, as they called him “Dear Leader” on the walls of the center. Simultaneously they were all asked to remove their bandages from the surgery and they could see. They were delighted! With the doctor standing there, they never even stopped to thank him, instead they fell down and cried and thanked the “Dear Leader” and began bowing to photos of Kim Jung, the man who in fact opposed the operations.
At the end I asked a couple of simple questions because the piece of journalism is so compelling. Once you see it you will not likely forget it. I asked, how do you think something like that could ever happen to a human being, that they would thank someone who did nothing for them, but who is willing to take the credit? Do you wonder if you live over there would you be able to see through this evil man who makes the country live in poverty as he lives like a king? Last questions and the most critical while the show is fresh on their mind. If I were over there and you knew I had been brainwashed what would you do? Would you leave me there? Would you help me get out? If so, how?
I let it sink in a little and then showed them the truth about the GB and WT. I started off simple sharing all of the bad mouth things WT and
 Rutherford especially, said against the medical community. He put tens of thousands of people at risk because of his arrogance. (sound familiar) I then showed all of the lies and cover ups making sure to provide clear evidence for every thing. They all had trouble accepting it at first, however not one of them stayed, they all began to do their own research and left. I can tell you it wasn’t easy for any of us. However we are all without a doubt much happier now.
Best wishes to you and your family. I hope this may help in some way.
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 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:40 pm
 
To alanv
I do apologize about any comments I made which may have been upsetting , I was not aware of the background details of you and your son/family, And how it was effecting you.
I just thought you was having a go at your son for no reason, Apologies for that.
( If I can make a suggestion ? )
Next time you see your son, Or if you invite him over, ( Never ) talk to him about the jws or say anything negative about them, Talk about other things instead.
No matter what may have happened, He will never forget your the dad, He will always remember the good times.
If you talk about the witnesses or say anything negative about them, Then they keep out the way and avoid you, They are scared to loose there faith, But they don’t want to loose you either.
Whether they are trapped in the religion or whether they choose to be there ? One thing I am pretty sure about is, Deep down the love you.
I have a book here, Its called ( The way of **** it )
On one of the pages it says, ( **** it, separation is just an illusion )
Try and look upon it like that.
How you handle the situation is more important than the situation itself if you understand what I meen.
Its easy to get along with them, The trick is, Never talk about the religion with them or try and pull them away from it, Because the more you try, The further your pushing them in it.
Keep things friendly and simple with them, Without talking about religion, And if he should bring it up, Then casually and friendly, Change the subject.
A lot of witnesses loose interest in it as time gose by anyway.
But in the meantime its possible to get along with them as normal as long ad you avoid the subject.
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:39 pm
 
@Anthony, Geez, I hate to disagree with you but I don’t think you could be further from the truth to alanv.
My family won’t touch religion with me with a ten foot pole. Every time I try and say anything to them, they close up shop as quickly as possible. They can be around me as long as I don’t talk anything about religion. If Alanv’s family wants to talk religion, that is a good thing, I believe.
That is the only way, he will be able to help them escape the JW religion, is if he is able to talk to them about the religion.
If they don’t want to talk about it, they will end the conversation quickly if his family is anything like mine and most JW families.
He can start with something like 607 which is easily proved to be wrong. If the Society is lying about 607 that is huge and might be the one little crack that opens up the valley of deceit for them to discover.
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 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:25 pm
 
Caroline
Your cracking me up, Just joking.
It dipends on the situation to begin with, Its not as if he has lost his son alltogether, Its about resolving the situation for now so they can get along.
Theres a lot witnesses who probably know the 607 date is wrong anyway, But still choose to stay there for other reasons, Not sure if that would be enough to pull him away from it ?
I have already explained to my witness brother why the 607 date is all wrong, Given him proof after proof, But he is still there.
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 Anthony says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:28 pm
 
Caroline
Forgot to mention.
If you read (alanv) initial comment above, about his son, alanv already said how he would react if his son approached him.
That’s what I was going by, to begin with.
I just was not aware that there was a backround issue going on.
Whether talking about it with his son or not ? I really don’t know, Everyone is different.
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 November 4, 2015 at 5:43 am
 
This is a subtle way of making a “theocratic war” against… “Apostates”!! Imagine the following you can read in Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Publications…
*** w53 11/1 p. 655 Examining Islamic Teachings ***
 ISLAM’S “JIHADS”
One of the more striking contradictions found in the Quran concerns itself with freedom of worship. On the one hand there are a number of expressions favoring religious liberty, such as, “Let there be no compulsion in religion.” And on the other hand, time and again expressions appear that indicate the direct opposite: “When the sacred months are passed, kill those that join other gods to God wherever ye find them; and seize them, besiege them, lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way for God is gracious.” And again: “Fight for the cause of God against those who fight against you: Kill them wherever you find them. . . . Fight therefore until there be no more civil discord, and until the only worship be that of God,” or “until the temptation stops.”—Sura 2:186-190, 212, 213; 8:12; 9:5, 124, Rodwell.
 Modern Muslims claim that the Quran teaches freedom of religion and advocates only defensive warfare, but can such expressions as “kill those that join other gods to God wherever you find them,” “but if they convert . . . let them go their way,” and “kill them . . . until the temptation stops” be construed as either defensive warfare or permitting freedom of religion? The very Arabic word jihad disproves such a contention, for it means, “A religious war against infidels or Mohammedan heretics.” (Webster) Many, many Muslims were slain by other Muslims because of religious differences. Certainly that does not spell out freedom of religion.
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 agatha says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:44 pm
 
la WACHTOWER INC. tiene temor porque cada ves son mas los inactivos jaja ya no pueden contra la supuesta APOSTASIA se cae a pedazos su mascara de hierro y nadie los atacara jamas son nuestros seres queridos solo respetuosamente nos dan la oportunidad de hablar con nuestros familiares y quiza lograr despertarlos
 doble riesgo para ellos pues el amor siempre es mas fuerte que cualquier mentira
 tranquilidad claridad tolerancia firmeza compasion y por sobre todo amor para nuestros seres amados una gran oportunidad de calmarlos para que bajen de la pelicula de ciencia ficcion que les estan haciendo vivir
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 Chiafade says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:56 am
 
This is the same campaign the Catholic church had not too long ago. The “come home” theme is definitely meant to illicit an emotional response. I haven’t watched it but I’m sure that my feelings towards the briadcast will be the same.
I just wanted to punch Gerrit Losch in the nose. All i could hear from him is his hypocritical response to the courts that would not be accepted in ANY kingdom Hall were it used by your average publisher. These men have no credibility. The idea that God is using this organization is laughable.
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 Doc Obvious says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:21 am
 
Watchtower is still labeling people as “inactive” ones. This is just like the Pharisees in Jesus day labeling the common people. When is the organization going to start counting the zeros every month for the inactive ones. So, that the publishers get to see what the “real” truth is about. The survival of the fittest, or the “race for life”, is the reason why there is such a conflict. Telling the publishers when they go through life’s traumatic changes in their life and albeit God dishonoring practices as “that’s your problem, that’s not our problem” a statement by a prestigious elder just shows that Jesus Christ’s life has no effect on the religion. In addition, the elders playing rank over the publishers is not showing the qualities of Jesus but rather the spirit of Satan the Devil. These streaming videos and printed material is so impersonal and does not represent Jesus Christ way of handling matters.
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 Searcher says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:55 am
 
Agreed! Would Jesus ‘lovingly’ shun people that he saw in need or danger?
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 Oubliette says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:38 am
 
Lloyd,
Nice assessment and analysis: short, sweet and to the point!
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 Mary says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:46 am
 
I did a thread on JWD about 7 or 8 years ago under the Comments You Will Not Hear at the WT Study so this is the same old same old.
What is so irritating is that in both the WT study articles and their videos is that it’s never the fault of the Organization when someone leaves. It’s always the individual who is to blame. Either they ‘let themselves be stumbled’ or they no longer wanted to go out in Serve-Us, or they’re too full of themselves, etc. etc. They NEVER ever will acknowledge that anyone has a legitimate reason for leaving, no matter what the facts show.
My family has more or less, left me alone on the subject. They know I think the religion’s a crock so they don’t ask me questions anymore, simply because they realize I know more about it than what they do. And that is always a huge threat to any cult.
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 Garrett says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:16 am
 
“Serve-us”….hahahahhaa…I love stuff like that.
Pio-sneer
 BORGinization
 Eldress
 Circus Overseer
…..
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 i sawthelight says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:49 am
 
Come home? Come home to what? They are the ones that should come home.I have had enough of this sorry crap from a group of brain washed old bent over men claiming to rep God.I left this nonsense after 32 years of my life in a lie. Now they want me to come home? This is another brainwashing campaign by a group of dead men walking around.I say to them sell all the stock you have invested all over the world and sell all those kingdom halls and all the property you own and give the proceeds back to the flock where it came from. Give them all that money then apologize to the world for being such a lie and manuplitator .Beg them your forgiveness and go get a job like any other human being. Then I will say that indeed that the watchtower has came home.
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 ruthlee says:

 November 4, 2015 at 12:13 pm
 
Hear hear! Ive always thought this org needs breaking with kindness give ALL the money back to whom it is owing and then they wont owe a single thing except love.Hmmmmm can’t see that happening in a thousand years. ruthlee
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 agatha says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:47 pm
 
perfecto pedido!!! adhiero completamente
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:57 am
 
Iv noticed over the months how…. well….. portly Mark Sanderson is getting…its laughable that he is a couple of years younger than me and Im expected to believe God is using this slightly overweight man..(ahem he had better be careful according to jw guidlines)to guide my life and make my life decisions for me…all the governing body look like they have forgotten how to do a days work…I was talking to an elders wife a few days ago and she said the broadcasts have really shaken her faith in the organisation… she finds the governing body totally unlovable…that may be why they are having more broadcasts done by the helpers in the future!…I think the broadcasts are the begining of a long slow death for the organisation…Im so happy my head is free!
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 Searcher says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:58 am
 
This is obviously showing that they need something out of the people that have drifted or faded away. What is it? Their MONEY!
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 ForestDaughter says:

 November 4, 2015 at 1:20 pm
 
Yes, especially as anyone out of the organisation is more likely to be better off financially, in higher paid work and having taken some further education to better themselves. Also, the GB are wanting our energy I should think. Many inside the org are getting exhausted and dispirited, and there isn’t much in the way of new blood through field service here in the west. The need fresh victims, lol.
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 Michael Gates says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:05 am
 
Could it be that the GB leaders have some statistics from the field as to how many are no longer associated, and thought how much revenue that would bring back to the coffers if they did “come home” and bring their wallets?
Just wondering…
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 Ted says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:09 am
 
Said the cunning Spider to the Fly, ” Dear friend what can I do,
 To prove the warm affection I ‘ve always felt for you?
 I have within my pantry, good store of all that’s nice;
 I’m sure you’re very welcome — will you please to take a slice?”
 “Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “kind Sir, that cannot be,
 I’ve heard what’s in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!”
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 Michael Gates says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:18 am
 
One other point as to the broadcasts of late. If you can remember back in the 80s – 90s of the GB which included the likes of Jaracz, Klein, Schroeder, Booth, Gangas, Barry, Barr, Henschel, Sydlik et.al these men were basically in the background. We barely knew who the GB was and most rank and file would hardly recognize them.
Now why is it all of a sudden different? The GB of today are rock stars? Could it be that the new group are mostly former COs and DOs, “who like the front place in the synagogs” and the adoration of men. They were always in the front and center, and commanded everyones attention everywhere they went. They loved it that way, and had enjoyed the creature worship. This happens to many Pastors in mega-churches in the US.
Now behind their desks in New York, they miss that attention. Much as JR Brown (former DO, now PR Man) when he first went to bethel in 1978. He had become so popular and famous as a DO and speaker, it was thought the GB brought him to bethel to stop the creature worship. He seemed to have languished there for all of that time.
Well now the GB has an outlet to be seen, JW Broadcasting. This time though, not only by their circuits, but the whole world of JWs.
Interesting to see how this venue for creature worship will play out…someone pass the popcorn.
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:30 am
 
The elders wife said much the same to me…I was in shock that she said it…she felt like it was the same as any American evangelical sect…she was really disturbed…I didnt give much away because Iv learned to be careful…but I did say to her that if she feels this way she cant be the only one….I truly felt for her…she just kept saying it was a good job she loved Jehovah…That will go soon…Iv been there…you feel lost.
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 Faithful Witness says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:12 am
 
We stopped our study with the JW’s in the spring of 2010. This new projection of the GB members, into the magazines and now as televangelists, is a striking development to an outside observer.
When the GB declared themselves to be the “faithful and discreet slave,” this must have justified their motivation to start showing their faces more prominently. They are finally getting the adoration and recognition that they deserve. They have set themselves up on thrones, for all the worldwide web to see.
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 David says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:33 am
 
We are almost 2016, this alone tells that they have taught lies for more than a century. Everybody makes mistakes but you cannot be wrong for so long. Instead of asking people to comeback to the org the governing body should act as normal people. They should realise that a person is not evil if does not agree with their flawed viewpoints.
 Now their growth is close to 0 and their moving mountains to adjust the stats.
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 Pj wilcox says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:34 am
 
I am envious of your kindness. Sir, you do a great service. You have helped me get over the rage and anger in me by bringing a readonsonable discourse to the table.
 Please keep up the good work. I will be always listening to what you say
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 Tara says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:43 am
 
I tried to watch it but his sickly sweet pleading just made me annoyed. I’ll wait for Lloyd to do his bit on it and then watch.
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 Catalina says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:07 pm
 
Tara, Me to.
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 Markie says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:54 am
 
Sanderson appears to be a latent homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that). I don’t think he is married. I could just imagine all the hot pioneer babes that would want him and have probably thrown themselves at him. So I would conclude he is gay. I love him in his Mexican wedding shirt. Just wonder how he got that position. For that mathere any of the GB. None of them appear to be very bright.
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 Arlis Scott says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:57 am
 
I haven’t seen the broadcast, and probably won’t. Waiting to see if my family will send me an invitation. Don’t think that they will though. I would see it as an opportunity to open up some way of them starting to use their own reasoning power! I’ve heard of more people leaving now, and that’s a great sign. You can fool the people some time, but you can’t do it all the time. Sooner or later the governing body will make such a fool out of themselves that it will be their undoing. Great response Lloyd Evans.
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 rob says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:00 am
 
In my opinion the JW religion is nothing but a corporation – I dont agree with so many things with regards to this religion. Why would they want me back? I would be a fly in their ointment.
Is it for Money? Counting Numbers?
Can they be so oblivious to the fact that so many have left because they can no longer tolerate the fact that this religion is really about money, cover ups, ever changing doctrines, rules rules rules not found in the Bible and mainly about ensuring that their reputation goes untarnished.
The internet is exposing the witness religion for what it truly is and it appears to me that it aint gonna stop.
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 Markie says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:16 am
 
I don’t think it really is a publishing company like so many people say here. But yet it is a corporation. They don’t charge for their literature here in the USA. They rely on donations. Judging by the GB ill fit ting suits and lovely silver shoes it doesn’t appear that the GB is benefitting from large amounts of cash. Yes they do appear to be living off the fat of the land judging by their belly sizes. They do fly around and act like rock stars but I don’t think any of them have big bank accounts filled with money from the society. They really don’t need it. I do see some of them as hypocrites building Wallkill to ensure a comfortable future for themselves then telling people not to get an education. Lucky for me I went to school and have a nice profession making decent coin.
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 Faithful Witness says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:57 am
 
Markie: Have you seen this video of Geoffrey Jackson, where he appears to be wearing a gold Apple Watch?https://youtu.be/gBE_oof1RzE
If you are uninterested in listening to his testimony to the Australian Royal Commission, you can skip ahead in the video to get a better view of the watch, beginning at 55:45 in the video.
The price for a gold Apple Watch in the US, starts at $10,000. There are more comments about this watch at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/440110001/geoffrey-jacksons-golden-apple-watch-investigated
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 Markie says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:53 am
 
You can’t really tell what kind of watch that is. People are seeing what they want to see. Their suits are all very cheap looking. None of them fit like they are a canvased suit. They look like cheap fused suits.
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 Matt says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:12 am
 
“the reason we don’t go back is because it simply isn’t true.”
That’s the key to the whole thing! If it was true then I would still be in and trying to reconcile all the extra strangeness.
It’s simply not true and that makes all the misery that it’s doctrine causes all the more intolerable.
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 Pow says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:39 am
 
Well put…
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 Velvia Blue says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:15 am
 
If only our relatives who haven’t yet woken up could just take the bible at face value. Its teaching is the salvation comes through faith in the death and resurrection of the Christ. Yet the teaching of the watchtower is that salvation is only possible through an unquestioning allegiance to the W/T corporation.
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 Faithful Witness says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:39 am
 
Yes! If only… and that is almost exactly how I put it to my mom a few weeks ago:
“I’m still hoping that you and Dad are going to wake up one day, and realize that this was all a mistake. Your family will be here, and we love you unconditionally.”
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 Caltanzee says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:29 am
 
Velvia blue: you summed it all up in a nutshell ! It was all about being in alliance and under the subjection of men, rather than under subjection to God and Christ. Now these power hungry tyrants realize that vast numbers are waking up and freeing themselves from years of enslavement, they have gone into panic mode. Using Guilt tripping tricks to entice the freed captives to come back to slavery…who in their rights senses would ever want to do that? Nooh!! Watchtower ! Enough is enough ! We have had more than enough with you.. Ya done !! We are through..My fifty years is more than I should have given you..Not another nickel, not another dime.And certainly!!! Not a second of reporting time.
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 Faithful Witness says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:30 am
 
I agree with previous comments: The GB has placed themselves in the spotlight. This will prove itself to be a big mistake for themselves and their corporation.
Cedars: I love the reply that you composed! It was compassionate and honest… something a JW will not get from their brothers in the congregation.
I’m grateful for the work you do here. I feel like I’m informed and up-to-date on enough of the developments in the WT organization, without having to subject myself to their relentless propaganda.
Again, I am so glad I got away from these deceivers, before they made any claims on me or my children!
… although I will always welcome their doorstop visits, and I will definitely use some of your words when they do come for a return visit. :)
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 DavidR says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:33 am
 
“The question isn’t why you have become inactive…” Yes, yes it is. That is the most important question. And although you try and ignore it and attribute it to being blinded by Satan or an arrogant and prideful spirit, you continue to allow your members to go on being held captive to an organization that they no longer believe in purely because they don’t want to be shunned. And you continue to enact policies that help to shelter child molesters. Also, you use women to do the lion’s share of your preaching work but will not allow them to hold positions of responsibility.
So yes Mark, it DOES MATTER WHY!
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 John Baptist says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:47 am
 
I guess the internet has really begun to take it’s toll on this religion to the point that they can only appeal to the emotional side of people anymore. The facts are in and there’s no disputing they are a false religion with false prophecies.
 1 component of a cult religion is to recruit or in this case re-recruit members on a emotional level.
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 Searcher says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:54 pm
 
Any organization that has to rely on membership for financial support must have a growing membership in order for the greater organization to grow. The WTS organization is in plateau or (hopefully) in decline now, because of the internet and education. Thus, the reason for the plea to disassociated and faded members. It has no other resource than the accumulated wealth (i.e. real estate and stock holdings) to draw upon for sustenance.
Poor little Mark, when he gets older, his organization will be only a shadow of the former empire of Sir Judge Rutherford.
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 agatha says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:13 pm
 
asi es nuestras emociones nos conectan directamente con el miedo a la muerte
“el miedo es un lazo” :-)
las emociones ya no son mi vista creo todos los seres que salimos de este gran enriedo tenemos bien claro cual es la señal de no avanzar: y es cuando el estomago se transforma en un nudo y el corazon se arruga de dolor e impotencia ufff 35 años de ulceras ansioliticos antidepresivos antiparanoides y no se cuantas enfermedades mas que hoy por hoy no existen en mi ni remotamente la LIBERTAD no tiene PRECIO $$$$$$ WACHTOWERRRR INC.!!!
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 fader~Blues says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:47 am
 
Thanx for all the comments this am,just what I needed to hear…I started “fadeing” years ago when most of my family (made excuses) for not coming to my sons wedding,he had been d f for smoking,and unfortunately babtised young.its one thing for a person to deal with the shunning of oneself or of a mate,but completely another to watch your kids,kids get snob~Ed when the cousins used to be best of friends.so I find myself taking delight in the thought of the bursting of their bubble…the inevitable J~w. Self implosion on the horizon! Lloyde…did u ever imagine what u started would come to this??Thanx
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 Pow says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:52 am
 
Just a side comment about the org. “Not charging for their publications “, that was not at the direction of the Holy Spirit as has been inferred, it was the fact that they would lose their tax free status as a non profit corporation. I believe it was in connection with the Baker/Swaggat fallout. ..where the watchtower actually filled “friends of the court briefs”, hoping to sway the justices to rule in favor of those “T.V. Evangelist”
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 Markie says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:01 am
 
Very well aware of that. But truth of the matter is they don’t charge and rely on donations from a bunch of poor people. I know how much is contributed in my congregation and it really is not that much. Maybe that is why they are asking for money.
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 Searcher says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:00 pm
 
You’re correct. This org has painted itself in a corner by limiting the potential of so many people that could have had a chance in this world. Even to this day, the GB frowns on higher education and individual achievement. Now, the WTS has to reap what they have sown. Good enough for ’em! The GB gets what they deserve, a declining accounts receivable.
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 Kat says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:58 am
 
This is NOT pro-Catholic but the Catholics have had the same campaign for a long time, return home to the Catholic church. To me it seems the JWs have been pulling from other religious organizations ideas that seem to be working, Return to Catholic church, Family Night ( LDS),VeggieTales/ non-denom Christian church ( Caleb and Sophia cartoons)and a symbol to bow to or worship( The Blue Square).
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 Caltanzee says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:47 am
 
Their are following the a same modus operandi as the mainstream churches. For instance in the menio park congregation trial.watchtower made a statement via their attorney Calvin rouse: That we just like the Catholic church, an hierarchy..That should speak volumes to any present jw.That disputes it’s claim to be different. It’s is actually the same as the others it criticizes..So that’s another reason not to go back to the GB’S. OF SCAMMERS and LIARS.
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 Mama Joy says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:01 am
 
Coming back to Jehovah God means coming back to their publishing company/ religion???!!!!!
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 Anonymous says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:14 am
 
Well put Lloyd. Very dignified. And hopefully will nudge someone toward intellectual honesty.
 Looking forward to your book!
“Anne”
(https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010359243959)
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 George says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:21 am
 
Not your best article John. If your suggested reply goes as far as to say you would not return because it simply isn’t true, then why not also tell them it’s also because of the very real harm and suffering many of the organizations teachings cause, eg, the death causing blood transfusions policy, etc. And because you see too much rotten fruitage and a lack of real love. And because you feel the org is more like an abusive, threatening parent rather than a loving, kind parent. Trying to confine a response to just saying you don’t go back simply because it isn’t true is a gross simplification and reduction of the whole issue to nothing but an intellectual issue when there are so many other important reasons that must be bravely stated for the sake of the victims. In other words, the moral reasons for not returning are equally, and probably more, of a reason not to return than the intellectual reasons.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:55 am
 
You want me back in?
 Here are my terms
 1) Eliminate the two witness rule in cases of abuse
2) Eliminate shunning as there isn’t a man alive who can read hearts and minds like the Christ, therefore none but he can judge. Mathew 25
3) Stop discouraging our youth from attending universities. Please see the testimonies of your buddies at the Australian Royal Commision for reasons why this is of upmost urgency in your organization.
4) Eliminate all attempts to predict the future. This is how God himself through his word points his finger at you and screams “false prophets!” Deutoronomy 18:18-22, Proverbs 30:5,6, Revelation 22:18-23
5) Stop calling yourselves the annointed class, its just gas. You yourselves say that all scripture is inspired, stop nit picking at the verses in the book of Revelations to fabricate some elite status amongst Christ followers.
6) The original sin was not a lie, but a murmuring for defamations sake against Gods reputation. This eliminates 99.9% of your elders wives, time to act on that cause of stumbling and clean house of all murmurers and defamers by making them apologize to the congregation from the stage.
7) Encourage the friends to preach as much as they can without the pyramid scheme of merit badges for outstanding hours. The titles pioneer and publisher are not biblical teachings. Gods word says that my left hand shouldn’t notice what my right is doing, in other words, how much I preach is none of your bussiness and strictly between me and my God and his son.
8) Stop attacking men for growing their God created and alloted facial hair while allowing the painting of the natural hair, the changing of natural eye color, the use of wigs in worship. Please see http://www.google.com for definition of the biblically used word -Hypocrites
9) Eliminate the stupid suit and tie requirements. Modest dress absolutely, but my weekly worship of my God shouldn’t be treated as a G8 summit. I am positive my loving God will not strike me down for wearing Dockers and a cardigan.
10) Get rid of all bigots in leadership positions. Every congregation should have an annual vote of who they want to pastor them. Your only requirement now is who puts in, or claims to put in the hours in field service. Develop a written test of 1000 questions completely based on scripture that your elder candidates who must have been baptized at least 15 tears must answer in one sitting without their Bibles or electronic devices. Your current elder lineup is an embarrassment to the entire evangelical world. I just had one of your Bethel elite elders explain to me through one of your Awake magazines how it is the Faithful Slave had God reveal to them that animals also have DNA in their bodies along with most sea creatures. (and you want me to come back to these geniuses?)
11) Make apologizing and recovering all of Gods sheep tossed into the world by shunning a requirement for keeping current elders. This must be done by the antichrist committee that tossed them.
12) We are never going away, we will be fact checking everything you say and print until the end of the Watchtower. Our methods of exposing the antichrist watchtower society will only increase exponentially in the future. Time for change is running out.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:02 am
 
13) blood transfusions- Life is a precious gift from God, with a promise for more some day, we must show him how badly we want to keep it. Commiting honorable suicide by refusing treatment is not a way of showing an appreciation for said gift.
 Revelation 22:18-22 Stop twisting Gods words, no one here wants to drink a blood smoothie, only preserve life when absolutely needed.
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 rob says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:07 am
 
Robert 67 – you pretty much nailed it.
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 Pow says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:51 am
 
May I add……stop punishing individuals who speck the truth, even if it’s not “current ” official doctrine. And, let’s report our history candidly not revising to give the best impression, if it makes us look bad ….so be it, What ancient prophet was worried about making the king/nation look good?
 It’s time to unravel the lies.
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 Searcher says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:13 pm
 
Whew!!! Don’t hold your breath! You’ll suffocate!
These are valid points to straiten the crooked ways of this organization. Unfortunately, the GB couldn’t do a do many of these changes for the better, even if they wanted to. Why? The avalanche of lawsuits that would follow them.
However, if this is God’s one and true religion, then what do they have to fear for doing the right thing in the first place? That’s because the WTS isn’t God’s organization!
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 Thad says:

 November 4, 2015 at 11:26 am
 
I thought this was interesting:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXZsFVlM9g
Terrible customer care by the WT
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 k. Ives says:

 November 4, 2015 at 12:31 pm
 
Money ? Look at the latest letter to all B.O.E. pic.twitter.com/uYmAUWXyjt
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 C.O.B.E. says:

 November 4, 2015 at 1:02 pm
 
Latest letter to Body of Elders about service meeting part on December 21st about giving money .
Follow this link
https://twitter.com/ThatTennantGuy/status/660830080470511616/photo/1
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 ruthlee says:

 November 4, 2015 at 12:38 pm
 
You are inspired Rob 67 i could not agree more . the only other thing that should be mandated is every Jehovah’s Christian Witness must read the entire Bible before they go out in a ministry .Must be baptised in the name of The Father,The son,and the Holy Spirit no other words clauses phrases lies and alliances to an org.And finally use God’s word ONLY in said ministry and all their meetings It would make interesting reading and phenominal spiritual growth. Ah but I hear you say that would be too simple , too near the Truth of the matter and may expose all the daft prophecies and interpretations as the erronious load of nonsense that it is. But if those stars don’t want crushing in the hand of the Almighty better get a wiggle on and start using the Bible and nothing else.Then you will see happy sheep come back in their droves with new ones too but the onus is on the gb to stick to the Bible alone not their drivel and spew. Bet ya they could never do it because it would take humility and honesty something that this org is not built on and would detract from their own pontificating. Oh well for a brief moment i had a dream. Now i woke up! ruthlee
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 Winston Smith says:

 November 4, 2015 at 12:45 pm
 
Since they love to use this scripture on anyone returning to “Christendom,” I’d say let’s apply it to them in their invitation to “come home”:
2 pet 2:22 – but it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
To return to the mind control, the fear-based programming and the unquestioning acceptance of any and all “new light” would be like eating vomit!
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 mary ruth says:

 November 4, 2015 at 1:11 pm
 
My husband and I stopped going to meetings 4 months ago but just recently we are getting cards, phone calls and visits from family and old friends from the hall. They are concerned about us and want us to come back because the ‘end’ is right around the corner. My brother, who never talks to me anyway and I think my mom made him do it, came to my house and told me he thought i was wrong to stop going to meetings and that he felt he would be blood guilty if he did not tell me so. I just know now all of my jw relatives will be coming out of the woodwork needing to tell me what we are doing is wrong and it is very stressful. Would love some suggestions going forward.
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 Tara says:

 November 4, 2015 at 4:27 pm
 
Lock the door, close the curtains and hide behind the window…. Oh wait…. HBH Home but hiding lol. We got told off for writing that on the door to door slips. actually it’s exactly what I do on a saturday morning if I have no where else to be around 9:30 – noon.
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 mary ruth says:

 November 4, 2015 at 10:00 pm
 
thanks for the laugh, that is exactly what I am doing.
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 Garrett says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:41 am
 
Ruth
 Only you know why you left and only you know why you wouldn’t go back.
 Write up a list of ALL those reasons and the things you don’t agree with and send it off to all those you know or come knocking.
 Tell them why. Take a stand for what you know.
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 covertfade says:

 November 4, 2015 at 1:31 pm
 
Well, Mark, thanks for the offer to come home, but I’ve found a new home.
My new home is full of freedom of thought, and the chance to become whatever I want to become, and friends who love me for who I am and not simply because I agree to follow whatever orders seven old out of touch men give.
It’s full of a life lived to a full potential and not postponed for a never-never land built on theocratic genocide. It’s full of the right to make my own choices and experience the highs and lows of those chosen paths. It’s full of the right to live, and love, and think, and speak as the person I really am and not the person you think I should be.
I did give a quick glance to my old home, the one you’re offering to me, but to be honest, it’s a bit silly and full of paedophiles.
Yours-sincerely-and-absolutly-totally-never-coming-backly
Covertfade
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 Caroline says:

 November 4, 2015 at 1:59 pm
 
I forced myself to watch the whole video and it was simply gagging to me through the whole thing.
We had two visitors on Sunday night and I love them both so much but I can tell that when they come here, that they think I will be so happy if I “return” to the Kingdom Hall and were just bubbling over with how happy they are that they are in the “truth”.
I didn’t want to come right out and tell them that I hate the Governing Body and think they are a bunch of liars so I copped out and told them that I was agnostic and the looks on their faces were that they felt so sorry for me. I tried to reassure them that I was happy but I could tell they still felt so sorry for me. They went on and on about how it was the “best way of life”, being a Witness and how even though they don’t understand the Hebrew Scriptures and why Jehovah killed all those people and how Lot slept with his daughters and how David killed all those people because David took a census and on and on, it was still the “best way of life”.
I just smiled and only was able to tell them a couple of things like what the real ten commandments really are as in Exodus 33 and that ours is the only Bible that implies that Jephthah did not kill his daughter and they did say they were going to go home and look it up. At least I accomplished that much. But I couldn’t say anything else. My husband sat there and about taped my mouth shut but it was the delusional happiness they were trying to get across that was the biggest obstacle to my telling them how I really feel about the “truth” that held me back from spilling my guts to them, if only to save them from wasting the rest of their lives on the lies of the Society. Being in the position of knowing the whole truth about the “truth” is the worst position to be in and as much as I want to warn them, I know what a horrible position it will put them in and that to be in that position like what we all are in, once we learn the real truth, is the worst position to be in and is life destroying.
There are so many people (like our friends that came over) who really love the “truth” and if they could listen with an open ear why we have left the “truth”, they would not want to have anything to do with it either. If we could only warn our families and friends and we could all escape it together. That is the best way to escape but the Watchtower has done such a good job of mind control over them, that it’s almost impossible to do.
What the Society doesn’t do in that latest jwbroadcasting episode, when it comes to encouraging former Witnesses to come “home”, is to let those people start spewing anything negative about the Society. They carefully scripted that into one of the experiences.
The former Witnesses who might receive a visit from active Witnesses, know full well that if they start saying anything negative about the Society they will be called on the carpet for apostasy and so they can’t say how they really feel if it’s negative towards the Society.
The Society is only going after people who still believe it’s the “truth” but just got lazy or left because of some other reason like depression or married out of the “truth” or got disfellowshipped or something like that.
In that video, it never encouraged active Witnesses to listen to the real reasons the inactive Witnesses left but made it look like once these people come back to meetings, that they will be welcomed into a “family” of smiling and happy friends again. This might work for friendless people but once these people start associating again, the burdens will be on them once again to go in service (a lot), all the meetings and assemblies and on and on.
The video makes it look like all those people at the Kingdom Hall are so happy but that video is made up of a bunch of actors, playing a part. In real Kingdom Halls, many people are at the meetings because they are guilted into going or else they think God will kill them at Armageddon. Many patiently sit through the meetings so they can socialize afterwards and before the meetings, but if they don’t have any real close friends at the Kingdom Hall, they can walk in and sit there and walk out and go home afterwards and suffer the worst depression because they are not one of the popular ones. I remember lots of times, putting my time in at the meetings and going home and stuffing my face with ice cream because the meetings made me so depressed. That is the reality of a lot of us.
If you go in service a lot and don’t miss any meetings, they might still pick on you because you might have mentioned a certain television show that you liked that wasn’t what they might have approved of. That happened to me a lot of the time so I learned to keep my mouth shut most of the time so as not to be judged. You can’t even talk about any book you might have read and enjoyed. Once I did that and a pioneer sister said “if I had that kind of time, I’d be reading the Bible instead”. She said that while she was going to the bathroom at McDonalds during break and I was washing up my hands.
I heard that our congregation had a congregation needs talk a couple months ago and suggested that if you aren’t regular at meetings and not putting in a lot of time in service then you are bad association. I heard that some people felt pretty hurt by that. I know the reason for a talk like that is to guilt people into not missing meetings and going in service more. A talk like that, wouldn’t encourage me, but discourage me but that is how the brothers think. They hold out the “carrot” of people associating with you, by how much you can do in the “truth”.
If only all those people could realize that the Society has no control over them at all and all that “love” is only conditional. So many of those people could get off their pills that they are keeping, not to kill themselves because of the depression that being a Witness brings on them because of all the burdens it imposes on them, once they start associating again or once they “come home” to the Kingdom Hall.
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 Jake says:

 November 4, 2015 at 3:39 pm
 
That’s one comment I’d love to hear at a meeting.
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 Jake says:

 November 4, 2015 at 4:02 pm
 
This word “inactive” is a control word.
 It also shows the opinion they have of themselves. It (the word) is based on Peters words. How do they know I’m “inactive”?, or is it because I disagree and disagree with being labelled too? Yours is obviously the right way, how stupid could I be, I’m so sorry.
 Arrogance to describe a person like that and then promote yourself as the right way. . Me thinks.
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 Ready 4 to Fade says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:09 pm
 
We haven’t been to a meeting since the special talk last year, and I would agree that the people in general are not happy. We were the inactive ones who you think they’d be putting on a good front for and trying to encourage, but there’s just too much dysfunction to keep bottled up for that long. Just smile and nod your head as they divulge their emotional, financial and family woes, one after another. Our own families suspect how inactive we are, but still complain to us about the problems in the congregation, and moan about the same individuals who were bothering them 20 years ago. Somehow I think we’re a subconscious outlet for them, a touchstone of reality. I keep hoping we’ll “win them over without a word” if they eventually recognize how relatively sane our lives have become since we’ve faded. I leave little crumbs of TATT here and there covertly in conversation. Time will tell.
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 tiger123 says:

 November 4, 2015 at 9:49 pm
 
@ Caroline
Good comment. I know tons of JWs that are on pills for depression anxiety disorders. In no way do I wish to judge anyone who suffers from depression, rather, I like you realize that situational depression is very high amongst JW’s. Where is holy spirit that produces peace of mind that excels all thought.
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 dee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 3:02 pm
 
I think some of these persons would perhaps be better served if they were to visit a professional counsellor/therapist/psychologist. Sadly the WT discourages JWs from seeking outside help from worldly persons. They are instead told that there are qualified elders appointed to shepherd the flock of God and that these elders are “like a hiding place from the wind, a place of concealment from the rainstorm, like streams of water in a waterless land, like the shadow of a massive crag in a parched land” (Isaiah 32:2).
Unfortunately, many of these elders haven’t a clue about counselling psychology, they do not have the experience, skills and know-how to deal with psychological/mental health issues and so many in the congregations do not get the right help that they need.
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 Meredith J says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:36 am
 
Caroline, I think this push to return to Jehovah is to make those who are still fooled by all this, to think that the GB is doing such a fine job and is so loving, that they would ask those who left to return. It just makes the GB look good they think. And it is also to reassure the friends that they are in the time of the end and that they are doing the right thing here. Oh how kind they are?
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:01 am
 
Meredith J, I agree with you completely. That “show” was to make themselves look good. There was no sincerity in it at all.
Now when we get visits from people who before didn’t want anything to do with us, come calling, we can ask them why now????
I will tell them that I also watch jwbroadcasting. Why now, when before, I wasn’t good enough to visit with? The only ones that are welcome in my house now are those who would talk to me BEFORE the broadcast.
What is so curious is that now, one of my cousins suddenly is posting on my Facebook page again but for months, she wasn’t. It is so obvious.
They can’t think for themselves and whatever the Watchtower tells them to do, they do. They are non-thinking, non-feeling robots in my opinion. I don’t “need” those kinds of friends. Fortunately, I still have family who aren’t Witnesses and they aren’t fake.
My husband has been diagnosed with inoperable stage four cancer and as much as he “loves” the “truth”, you think anybody from his hall will call him or come over to visit him??? Hell no.
As much as our oldest daughter “loves” the “truth”, she is very disappointed with our congregation too but she won’t stop “loving” the “truth”. It should tell her something but it doesn’t. All it does, is break her heart at how unloving they are here. All’s he gotten are some really stupid get well cards.
But, now, in the shape he’s in, I don’t even want to tell him any more about the lies of the Watchtower. Now, I am glad he’s at least got the hope of waking up in the new world, like what he thinks is going to happen.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only ones I think who can’t deal with death. They are all led to believe that they aren’t going to die, which is such a shame because if Armageddon doesn’t come like they think it will in their life time (which it hasn’t for over one hundred years and counting now), they have wasted their only short years they had on this earth, serving a publishing company when they could have been going to school, expanding their minds, raising families and enjoying their short lives, instead of being forced to go in service, meetings and studying all that Watchtower literature and spending how much money going in service, going to assemblies and sticking their money into the contribution boxes and washing windows and cleaning houses. What a shame it all was.
How many of those people died because they refused blood and how many of their kids died because they couldn’t take blood? And for what? So a publishing company could build more and more Kingdom Halls and assembly halls to build up their real estate empire.
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 disillusioned says:

 November 4, 2015 at 2:16 pm
 
I am df’d, but attempting to return, for 4+ years I have attended all the meetings and lived a ‘sin-free’ life but no success at being reinstated. In fact after one letter requesting reinstatement it took 6 months after the committee meeting, for the body of elders even to give a reply. I would say that my ‘sin’ was particularly notorious, also being female I think makes a big difference. Just interested if any of the elders /ex-elders out there can tell me if there is an unwritten law that x years must pass before considering reinstatement. I am not in the original congregation so away from certain ones who were affected. When I have asked why, they have just made excuses, for example saying the brothers wouldn’t feel comfortable if I was allowed back into the congregation….feeling more and more disillusioned. So even though they are saying that they want inactive ones to return to the fold, for disfellowshipped ones it’s a different matter!!!
 Very good comments Robert67 by the way….
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 Innocent Son says:

 November 4, 2015 at 3:05 pm
 
But is it unconditional love that’s on offer? A resounding no! As long as you go back cap in hand so to speak and admit that you were wrong to develop independent thinking and accept all the Borg’s teaching all will be forgotten. I for one will not be doing that, but I prefer to remain under their radar and watch things develop…
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 Tara says:

 November 4, 2015 at 4:33 pm
 
If you bow down and do one act of worship to me….. hmm. Get behind me satan/GB
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 Richard says:

 November 4, 2015 at 5:16 pm
 
I’m sorry Lloyd, but I don’t really like that answer, particularly because of this part:
“If you are convinced it is “the truth,” then please show me the evidence and I will request a bible study and start attending meetings”
The problem with that statement is that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t have the faintest clue what the word “evidence” means, and this is just inviting a long, frustrating conversation full of nonsense.
I would simply state that I have no desire to “come back” to something that simply isn’t true, and I certainly don’t support the many harmful beliefs the Jehovah’s Witnesses are indoctrinated to accept. Beliefs that are immoral and anti-scientific. There is nothing that a Jehovah’s Witness can say or do that would make me even consider returning to that facade, because I’m intimately familiar with the cult and all its teachings and I want no part of it. Ever.
..that’s how I would approach it.
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 Caroline says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:45 pm
 
@Richard, if my husband is any indicator of what it is like trying to talk to a Witness who is convinced it is the “truth”, it simply won’t work to tell them that it isn’t the truth and that the beliefs are immoral and anti-scientific and that there is nothing they can say or do to make us return. You can’t get out two words and they close their minds.
The best thing to do is to turn the table on them and have them convince us what kind of evidence they have that it’s the true religion because there is no evidence and putting them on the spot like that, will for them for once in their life, to try and come up with proof.
All our lives, we read from the magazines that it was God’s organization, but they never once gave any evidence. We just took their word for it, like the 1981 March 1st Watchtower pages 24-27 called “Do You Appreciate the Faithful and Discreet Slave” where on page 27 it lists 80 supposedly “Overwhelming Credentials”. I am going to list them and this list explains it all.
1) Noah’s wife
 2) angels sent to Lot
 3) Rebekah
 4) Joseph and Benjamin
 5) gleanings left behind
 6) two spies to Rahab
 7) Barak
 8) Jephthah
 9) Naomi and Ruth
 10) David’s Israelite warriors
 11) Jehu
 12) Mordecai and Esther’
13) Job
 14) King’s daughter
 15) men of loving-kindness
 16) Intimate group
 17) Shear-jashub
 18) light of the nations
 19) big trees of righteousness
 20) ministers of our God
 21) cluster preserved
 22) servants called by another name
 23) men trembling
 24) new nation born
 25) Jeremiah
 26) Jehovah’s people in the new covenant
 27) enduring watchman
 28) cleansed people
 29) cleansed people
 30) dwellers in center of earth
 31) the host of heaven
 32) sanctuary restored (cleansed)
 33) they that are wise
 34) the happy one who is keeping in expectation
 35) all flesh receiving the spirit
 36) Jonah
 37) apple of Jehovah’s eye
 38) liberated remnant
 39) a Jew
 40) Sons of Levi
 41) Wheat
 42) sons of the kingdom
 43) workers for the vineyard
 44) those invited to marriage feast
 45) chosen ones
 46) eagles
 47) faithful and discreet slave
 48) discreet virgins
 49) brothers of the king
 50) little flock of sheep
 51) beggar Lazarus
 52) sheep in “this fold”
53) branches of the vine
 54) royal palace of David
 55) heirs with Christ
 56) the remnant
 57) branches in the olive tree
 58) holy ones or saints
 59) temple
 60) new creation
 61) ambassadors for Christ
 61) congregation of God
 63) part of Abraham’s seed
 64) Israel of God
 65) body of Christ
 66) soldiers of Christ Jesus
 67) house under Christ
 68) holy priesthood
 69) holy nation
 70) association of brothers
 71) seven congregations
 72) twenty-four persons of advanced age
 73) spiritual Israel
 74) locusts
 75) two witnesses
 76) two olive trees
 77) seed of the woman
 78) New Jerusalem
 79) the bride of Christ
 80) Jehovah’s Witnesses
After each of these “overwhelming” credentials, is a scripture. In the old days, I would have looked up those scriptures and tried to apply it to the Governing Body’s “credentials”. Now I look at those scriptures and would like to have the Society explain how those scriptures apply to their having overwhelming credentials. What this looks like to me, is that they opened up their Bibles and pointed at a scripture and put it down as a “credential”. Those supposed “credentials” are ridiculous, to say the least.
We never expected the Watchtower to explain how any of those scriptures apply to anything they ever wrote. They put scriptures in the paragraphs and WE supplied the explanation, pretending like we “got it”.
We played right into their hands and that is because we believed what they said without asking for any evidence. They don’t have any evidence of any credentials or they would have come up with something a whole lot better than what they did, not this nonsense that they put in that Watchtower article.
Witnesses have no evidence. All they have is the Governing Body saying that they were appointed by God. Put any Witness on the spot and see what evidence they come up with.
What you will hear is that they are the only ones using Jehovah’s name (not true). They will say they are the only ones preaching from door to door (not true). They will say to look at the fruitage (doesn’t prove a thing). They will say they are the only ones who won’t join the army (not true).
What matters is, do they have any evidence that it’s God’s only organization and they don’t have evidence. They only take the Society’s word for it.
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 Richard says:

 November 5, 2015 at 10:48 pm
 
@Caroline, I understand your point of view. From my experience speaking to my family members, they simply don’t understand the meaning of the word evidence. When I’ve “turned it around” on the, and asked them for evidence to prove what they believe is true, the things that constitute evidence in their mind are just ridiculous, and when you try to explain what would actually constitute real evidence, they disagree and accuse me of “just wanting to make excuses to sin”, and “you’re just mad at Jehovah”.. and the conversation becomes pointless and ugly. That’s my experience anyways.
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My response to Mark Sanderson’s “come home to Jehovah” November broadcast
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Posted on November 4, 2015

Mark Sanderson makes an emotional appeal for inactive ones to return
Mark Sanderson makes an emotional appeal for inactive ones to return

Last night I was contacted by one of my Facebook friends who was facing a dilemma.
They had themselves been approached by a believing relative regarding the November JW Broadcasting episode, hosted by Mark Sanderson.
This new episode revisits the “Return to Jehovah” theme from the brochure release at the last convention, and beckons inactive ones to come “home” through a dramatic series of experiences and re-enactments – deliberately playing on the emotions rather than answering any intellectual concerns or factual objections.
Empowered by this overt propaganda, it seems some Witnesses are wasting no time in contacting their estranged family members to relay the Governing Body’s message, and this person asked me how they should reply.
I would never issue a script for this sort of situation, because I actually think it is far more compelling when individuals express themselves authentically on such important subjects. That said, here is how I would respond if I were asked to watch the latest broadcast and/or asked to come “home” to “Jehovah’s organization”…

I am touched that you have thought of me, but you should know I am already familiar with the latest JW Broadcasting episode and its message. My particular problem, shared by many who were raised as Witnesses, which this video does not address, is that I don’t believe the claims made by the Governing Body to be true. I cannot come “home” to any organization that teaches untrue things – especially to children. If you are convinced it is “the truth,” then please show me the evidence and I will request a bible study and start attending meetings. If you cannot show me evidence, or you tell me it’s all down to having enough “faith,” then you have to accept that your religious beliefs are no more substantiated than those taught by any other religion. I want to take this opportunity to let you know that I love you and think about you often and the happy times we shared together, and I hope that eventually your own hunger for truth will lead you to do objective research rather than simply accept everything you are told in one organization’s books, magazines and videos.
Obviously, due to the threat of shunning, most inactive Witnesses who are approached by family members will be prevented from being quite so honest. Any kind of statement such as the above that refutes the religious claims of the Governing Body would be responded to with severe punishment through shunning.
But if you are able to be honest with your relatives, perhaps because they already know how strongly you feel, or because you are, like me, disassociated (or disfellowshipped), I hope you will find the above response useful.
Harmful policies such as child abuse, shunning and blood transfusions aside, the reason we don’t go back is because it simply isn’t true. If we stick to that argument and refuse to be swayed or sidetracked by appeals to emotion, there’s a sliver of a chance that a friend or relative who is intellectually honest enough might start asking the hard questions themselves.
 
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The emotional beckoning of the inactive was not the only disturbing feature of the November broadcast. I will be addressing other issues, such as the segment on the Typhoon Haiyan video, in my next JW Broadcasting rebuttal which should be available at some point over the next three weeks. Please subscribe to my YouTube channel to be notified about this and other new videos.


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 Lisa Clark says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:11 pm
 
I too received that loving brochure from my mother. I wrote her back a similar letter as Lloyds. The one thing I asked her was “how do you feel about all the child abuse going on in the organization that is hidden. This was her response via a text. “Received your letter today. You asked me to reply & according to Bible prophecy we know these things will happen in the last days & It will cause some people to do wrong & change their beliefs. But as an individual I will stick w/ what I know is the truth & worship our God Jehovah” Pretty disturbing but at least I spoke up.
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 Tara says:

 November 4, 2015 at 6:24 pm
 
Sometimes it’s like bashing you’re head against a brick wall. I guess when ‘we’ went door to door we felt the same about people. Now we are ‘out’ and trying to get the RaF to see what it is going on we feel just as frustrated. When I began to wake up it was a ‘feeling’ that something wasn’t right’. Then I looked at my two df’d (adult) children and knew then that the society was wrong. It snowballed from there. Now I can’t stand being at the meetings I do go to. Just forcing myself to watch the GB in their studio doing the whole web broadcasting makes me sick. I’m so thankful I have this site because I know it’s not just me who feels this way.
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 Garrett says:

 November 5, 2015 at 8:06 am
 
Tara
 I read all your comments. You come across as an amazing person with great humor and insights.
That aside…why do you still go?
 Just leave…..
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 Tara says:

 November 5, 2015 at 8:47 am
 
Thanks for the nice comment Garrett… I like to think of myself as a covert, sarcastic, rebel :p
I would love to leave but it’s not that easy is it. My daughter got reinstated so she could again talk to her friends…. she doesn’t really believe but the loss of friendship hurts her. My grandchild lives with her mother, a reinstated witness who lives in a different town, miles away, surrounded by her ‘witness’ family. One of our elders is related to them… there is already a custody thing going with my son (df’d). If I leave they will stop her seeing me. I have to wait… bide my time.
I sat with my daughter at the meeting this week and her little one…. we left half way through. There were maybe 30 people there out of 120 ish. Most looked bored and were paying more attention to the kids who were bored and playing up. Same old hands up, same blaa blaa comments. I felt pity for them all and want them to wake up.. Most are nice people who are just brainwashed and gullible. They have no where else to go, or so they think.
Who knows… this little bit of leaven may ferment the whole lump.
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 Rikos says:

 November 4, 2015 at 7:27 pm
 
I am reading a book call The History of atheism.
 One of the chapter talks about in the middle ages about the 1300 AD in Europe, if some one have some doughs about the catholic church or the pope or about god, or any question regarding the church this person automatically becomes excommunicated, but later the1500 AD their burnet any one who challenge the church. But before the 1500AD the excommunicated was thousands and thousands.
 The catholic church make an a piling to those excommunicators to returner home to the church, and the church will reinstate them.
 the reason the church make this request to ex-communicators because was so many and the church was afraid maybe these people they may start war and valance against the catholic church. so it was better for the catholic church to bring them in and benefitted from their donations rather keeper hem loose end expose the catholic church their lies and their false teaching. The watchtower following the same method like the Catholics by inviting the people who left have
 less to worry from the opposes if they bring them in to their cult house can condoling them and take their money again.
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 Catalina says:

 November 4, 2015 at 8:24 pm
 
I was going to wait for Cedars review of the November broadcast but I went on ahead and watched it. I wonder what my sister thinks of this November broadcast. The first time I was inactive she told me to my face the reason she hadn’t been talking to me for so many years was because I wasn’t going to any of the meetings. For me, my experience is JWS don’t practice what they preach.
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 lithargoel says:

 November 5, 2015 at 12:20 am
 
Hi all !
… as it’s now plainly visible on the wheat field, may be is it due time to pull up the “rye grass” and … burn it completely !
…
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 Jake says:

 November 5, 2015 at 1:15 am
 
Pink floyd ‘sheep’ sums up indoctrination for me.
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 enuffsenuff says:

 November 5, 2015 at 1:26 am
 
LLoyd, fair comments in your article, I suppose, because I agree in principle with them, and most of the comments by regular contributors likewise make valid comments on the topic. But things have been a bit quiet lately, no major blunders, no stuff ups, no miserable letters to the BOE’s been leaked, that we can consume with distaste and disgust… so this wasn’t just an article to keep the pot boiling?
 It does seem like that, lulls can be hard to deal with for people and momentum is everything. Without spectacular scoops interest fades. I hope that contributors remember patience is everything. There was a football coach in describing what seemed like a long time for his team to win more games quoted Confucius, “the ox is slow but the earth is patient”, and then there was the quote (from memory and ad lib) “if we have been treated unjustly… God will hand out justice, but if we are really blessed we will see him do it”.
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 ruthlee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:09 am
 
Why oh why do they want us. Probably because they are bored witless. Not because they had much wit, but you know “no wood and the fire goes out”. They have finished character annihilating one another. The elderettes have no one else to bitch about as all has been said and done on the latest sisters naff outfit or incorrect shoes. They have picked holes in each others trousers hair cuts, beards, non beards and anything else you can think of. They are bored, bored , bored stupid . So now dear lost, faded, inactive , anti social, VICTIMS, let’s turn our attention to you. Vomit time. Weeeee luv you soooo much we want you to return to the weak and beggarly things> We want you to feel the guilt from the inside out and to never be good enough again. We want YOU to be the subject of our gossip and scrutiny because we’ve used each other up and have no poor fool to bitch about anymore. Are you not sad for us? THe elders are sitting around waiting, just for you, you naughty little sheep because you may be lost and if you come back they promise to put you in in the bosom position. NO they will beat you and fleece you and kick you again. Remember how good it felt to be so abused and hurt .that is all free of charge. There is a proviso you must give us all your bloody money because we haven,t got any . Give until you are wrung dry again and guess what we’ll kick you out again before God does it because we like to do God’s job for him . So dear little foolish sheep go back, go back and see for yourself how saccherin in large doses may have no calories but kills in the end. (this post is for ironic purposes only) ruthless/ruthlee.
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 Bart says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:42 am
 
I think it’s a legitimate post with value. It may not be scandalous or reveal some great secret about the ORG, but it’s relevant to what a lot of us inactive ones are contending with. The ORG tries to tug on our heart strings and especially those of the ones that are still in and that have family members who have drifted away. But they gloss over, no, ignore, any of the real issues and reasons why they are losing members. The brochure “Return to Jehovah” proves this. They list some reasons why people may have drifted away from the Truth, but most of those are superficial, “safe” stories that take no responsibility for any faults within the organization itself. It completely shields itself, remaining spotless and unblemished, as of course the chosen organization of God should be.
So I don’t think this article is “click bait”, or just keeping the fire stoked. I feel like it is a help to those that have left or drifted, but are defenseless in the propagandist attacks and pleas to regain members in the religion.
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 Bart says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:44 am
 
Oops, I meant to reply to the comment above by “enuffsenuff”.
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 Waseldersdawter says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:47 pm
 
I found the article enormously helpful! It’s very relevant for those of us who are being pestered by our families to come back to the miserable cult. Forewarned is forearmed I say, and for that I am grateful.
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 Baby says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:09 am
 
dismiss your concerns the Bible say: 1peter 5:7 ”while you throw all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you.”
John 6:44 “No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day”
(Ezekiel 34:16) “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”
(Psalm 119:176) I have strayed like a lost sheep. Search for your servant, For I have not forgotten your commandments.
(Luke 21:34-36) “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you 35 as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth. 36 Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.”
meditate on these Bible verses.
listen to the November program of JW.Broadcasting tv.jw.org and tries to hear the voice of Jehovah your God
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 kofybean says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:26 pm
 
“listen to the November program … and tries to hear the voice of Jehovah your God”
Wait… what?
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 Winston Smith says:

 November 5, 2015 at 12:21 pm
 
@ ruthlee – kudos on your comments!
The abusers find life rather boring when there is no one around to abuse.
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 David Tritenbach says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:11 pm
 
Yes, their running out of people to abuse so they need you to “Return to Jehovah!”. If I shared the wickedness I experienced in this organization most would say “oh, there must be two sides to each story” but its amazing how many of us share similar attacks against our name, lies, slander and accusations to discredit us so our truth might not reach anyone seeking answers.
Allow me to share some Witness logic with you, there’s a Witness girl raised in since she was 31 years old. She was asked to do something that bothered her conscience, tell the person on the phone “her employer was not home!” only to tell her employer “please pay me in cash because it will stop my Food Stamps and Government Benefits!
” Do you see the insanity, she’s been handing out brochures “Return to Jehovah” but how can I take anything she say’s seriously when she has no problem with tax-theft but act’s pious that “I can’t lie and tell some tell-a-marketer your not home?” That’s what bothers me greatly about this organization, they abuse, cheat, hate, lie and act so evil and feel their doing the works of Jesus Christ?
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 i sawthelight says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:23 am
 
Return hell. What about this cult would I want to return? Give me one reason.
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 Meredith J says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:56 am
 
I am probably going to see my son on the weekend. This is going to play on my mind I am sure. I think if it wasn’t for his wife he would be a lot more open about it.
I have already been handed that Return To Jehovah brochure by my youngest grand daughter. (She has been well trained sadly) I don’t think I would go being general like that, although I am sure we would pick our own tactics. I would try more facts than scriptures I think. The fact that they became an NGO with the UN, their disgusting history in dealing with pedophiles and their horrible practice of disfellowshipping is unChristian. They probably would hate me but I feel they have to be told. If it comes up again in an unrelated way, then they will remember that it had already been mentioned.
Still, this is a good point for this article to make. What would we say if we are put on the spot? Maybe we should have something in mind if we are asked. Our answer might save someone from being subjected to this cult any longer than they have to. In my case it would be my son, his wife and their three dear little children. I still think prayer is important too.
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 Caroline says:

 November 5, 2015 at 4:51 am
 
Meredith, I think the simplest thing to tell them is that the Society is lying about 607 or have them prove that God is backing the Organization.
If you go to that 2011 Nov. 1st Watchtower article on page 23 in the footnote, it plainly says that no secular authorities quoted in the article agree with 607 B.C.E.
When you tell them that, they will say that we “need to wait on Jehovah” so then you can tell them that the Society has been proved wrong for over thirty years! So, they know, but lie about it. Why? It is because the whole religion will crumble and fall if they don’t stick to that date. It proves they are liars. Keep it as simple as possible.
No matter how many facts you come up with, either scriptures or other facts to prove they are liars, most likely whatever you say to them will fall on deaf ears, if any of my experiences have held true.
I have found a Youtube channel about narcissism that you can suggest to anyone who complains about anybody and that is a couple by the name of Smakintosh. If you just type in Smakintosh, their channel comes up. They have a wide variety of topics on narcissism that you can choose and once they listen to them, they will see Watchtower all over the place in the description of malignant narcissists.
All of us know people who make us crazy with their comments or the way they act and all of us will relate to those videos in one way or another. What I love about them, is that when they describe these abusive people, we are describing the people in the Watchtower Organization.
It tells us why we suffered depression all that time we were in the Organization because we didn’t “fit in” with them because the Society actually trains it’s followers to be self-serving and egomaniacs.
We were always told how much better we were than the “world” because we had the only one and true religion and we could pat ourselves on the back because we were the only ones fulfilling the mandate at Matthew 28: 19,20.
We were taught to “hate” anybody who didn’t think like we did and to hate anybody who turned away from Jehovah (Organization). We were taught to be sociopaths.
If we felt even a little bit out of place in the Organization, it is because we knew deep down that there was something wrong with the religion. We probably didn’t see all our our friends and relatives and the people we worked with as “evil”. We probably liked those people instead of hating them, unless they came into the “truth”.
When I think back, I was also turned into a sociopath but now I see why. It is because I was under the hypnotic control of Watchtower speak. I bought into it hook, line and sinker but now I can see the “truth” for what it is.
I also couldn’t see the “truth” for what it was either for all those years. It took me months of deep researching to realize that it’s all a lie. There might be some who can wake up suddenly, but not many. What it takes is just one little crack, like maybe 607 B.C.E. or having them prove it’s God’s only religion. It is so hard for them to realize they have been lied to by the Society.
Anyway, listen to some of Smakintosh videos and see what you think. Everybody gets driven crazy by somebody and their videos might help them see people for what they really are and they have nothing to do with “apostate” web sites. That is one way to help them see it for what it is without drawing attention to all the Watchtower lies. When they see those personalities as abusive, they can relate it to people they know at the Kingdom Hall.
Also, Lloyd has mentioned about the worst religion in the world, that church that goes to funerals and screams at those people. I think it’s the Westboro Baptist Church and you can play those videos for them and they will see Watchtower all over it. Even anything about Scientology might help them realize how much of a cult it is. You just can’t bring up anything when it comes to doctrines in the Watchtower because they are too brainwashed to see it and will close their ears.
Also, you should be able to use old literature now since at the annual meeting, they said that our literature doesn’t become outdated and so that’s why they aren’t going to be putting dates on the magazines anymore. They can’t claim it’s “old light” anymore.
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 James Broughton says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:31 am
 
Caroline, the best book on 607 BC which I have read is by a former Swedish Witness Carl Olof Jonsson entitled “The Gentile Times Reconsidered”. It was his research on that very topic that prompted the book.
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 Caroline says:

 November 5, 2015 at 9:36 am
 
Thanks James. I have read that book and I also highly recommend it.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:09 am
 
Meredith, I myself had to literaly see with my own eyes everything that ex-jw’s were alleging was in print. I hunted down dozens of pertinent books on their false prophecies and contradictions. Perhaps you can start with Russels first book complete with Great Pyramid 1914 fold out and its manipulated measurements. You get gems like the false 1914 doomsdate, all annointed ones completed by 1881; making current annointed ones a contradiction or Highlander swordsmen.
 Another great book is Miilions now living will never die written by the great apostate to Russels teachings himself JR Rutherford. Break down the Beth-Sarim mansion as explained by Rutherford himself as having been built for those prophets that he was expecting to resurrect and ring his door bell at any moment. How he used that mansion as his personal luxury home in sunny California complete with Swimming Pool incase King David wanted to take a few laps upon returning.
 The list is embarrassingly longer than that on the absolute clear markers of being charlatans, but these are a few suggestions to get started and in the case of life long witnesses like me, I had to see it for myself in print, not just the interwebs.
The very least that can come out of it as that both your son and doughter in law will be more sensitive to the non sensical ramblings of these 7 CEO’s and their ever changing interpretation of scripture.
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 Jake says:

 November 5, 2015 at 3:51 am
 
‘Please come back to Sugarcandy Mountain’.
Thing is we already know what’s there and it ain’t nice.
 The pigs may rule the roost but not my faith.
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 Jake says:

 November 5, 2015 at 5:05 am
 
“This work was strictly voluntary, but any animal who absented himself from it would have his rations reduced by half.”
Excerpt From: Orwell, George. “Animal Farm.”
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 James Broughton says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:25 am
 
Jake, there is a superb book by Heather and Gary Botting entitled “The Orwellian World of Jehovah’s Witnesses”. Well worth a read.
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 Peter Jeuck says:

 November 5, 2015 at 5:28 am
 
More proof the Watchtower is in financial trouble. They know that the inactive ones tallys into millions of individuals, which then translates into lost donations that in return value into the millions of dollars.
Watchtower’s push on Armaggeddon adds an urgency to this “return to Watchtower” campaign for funds. They don’t care one bit for the souls (welfare) who left them, only the ” valuable things” (tax free mind you) that no longer streams into the coffers of the organization. As for truth? They make up the “truth” as they go along. What ever best suits the Watchtower’s financial bottom line is the only ” truth” that matters to them. From the days of CT Russell to the present. There is no single truth. I don’t think there are too many “Bible based” teachings so sacrosanct as to not fall vulnerable to reinterpretation. If the physical laws governing the universe were so malleable as to be subject to so much change , we not only wouldn’t but couldn’t exist. Since the existence of this universe ( and if one so believes it to be God’s universe) absolutely depends upon the stable truths of gravity etc. If these laws are not immutable. If these laws were subject to whatever interpretation suited God’s whimsical desire at any given point in time, the universe would simply disintegrate into chaotic rubble. Watchtower’s truths have never been immutable. They are amoebic often nonsensical doctrines meant to do one thing alone, terrify members from leaving. Look hard at the organization’s history. That is all it is.
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 Peter Jeuck says:

 November 5, 2015 at 6:06 am
 
I had typed a comment I’m not sure took… Mistake on email address. I was born and raised a Bible Student. They adhered to CT Russell’s teachings and separated from Watchtower in the late 1920s and early 1930s. When I first left, I was racked with guilt over abandoning my “heritage.” All my family back generations well into Russell’s day had been Bible Students. As time passed and I could see the doctrines for what they really were, I lost all sense of guilt and shame. I would never go back to them ever again, no matter how thick they’d try to lay the guilt on, or however earnest their intent would be for my “spiritual ” welfare, I would never return. I simply do not believe what they teach. Truth is indeed important for one to maintain his integrity, and truth is important to me. Bible Students and I’d say the same about the current Watchtower doctrines, are not the truth! That is all there is to it. If they can’t accept that fact, then that’s too bad for them. Actually I had been approached several times, but not in recent years. I was reminded of my heritage, as if I owed something to those who indoctrinated me from the time I was born. Nope! I do not owe them a single thing. Conversely however? I’d gain say they owe me a lot in terms of the years of therapy I incurred as a result of the mind and soul bending they did to me growing up. But that’s water passed long under the bridge. It’s been since the early 2000s since I stopped attending , and I have no regrets whatsoever.
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 dee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 6:22 am
 
@Markie:
The WT certainly started out as a publishing company under Rutherford with free labour to distribute its publications. That continued for a while until 1990 when the WT changed its literature distribution program eliminating set prices for literature items. JWs believed the Governing Body instituted a “simplified” arrangement. Few know (including myself at the time) that the change really took place because Jimmy Swaggart lost his case in court regarding the payment of tax for religious books. In a February 21, 1990 letter to congregations, the Society explained the new policy this way:
By adopting a method of literature distribution based completely on donation, Jehovah’s people are able to greatly simplify our Bible education work and separate ourselves from those who commercialize religion (new light! – it took the WT quite a few years to realize that they were doing it wrong. Wonder why God’s Holy Spirit didn’t tell them not to ask for set prices for literature in the first place?)
However, this is what really happened:
•Early 1980 State of California informs Jimmy Swaggart Ministries that tax is due for religious books and tapes sold in the state since 1974. Swaggart eventually pays the tax–$183,000.00–but sues for a refund. The case begins moving toward the U.S. Supreme Court.
•February, 1989 U.S. Supreme Court rules it is illegal for Texas (and 14 other states) to exempt religious books from sales tax. Some states had been taxing religious books all along.
•Summer, 1989 WT Society gives away “free” books released at U.S. conventions. Witnesses are instructed to place donations in contribution boxes to cover the cost.
•June 22, 1989 Watchtower Society, files amicus curiae (“friend of the court”) brief with U.S. Supreme Court in Jimmy Swaggart case. Others filing similar briefs include National Council of Churches and Society for Krishna Consciousness.
•January 17, 1990 U.S. Supreme Court rules against Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, declaring that the sales tax must be paid.
•February 9, 1990 WT Society writes letter to congregations announcing that literature will no longer be sold at Kingdom Hall and no price will be set in door-to-door distribution.
•February 25, 1990 February 9th letter from Society is read at Sunday meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses across the United States.
•March 1, 1990 New policy of distributing literature without naming a price goes into effect.
•The March 15, 1990, WATCHTOWER magazine and March 22nd AWAKE!–printed earlier–still say “25 cents (U.S.) a copy” and “$5.00 (U.S.) per year.” The April 1, 1990, Watchtower no longer carries a price.
•March 11, 1990 Announcement is made at Kingdom Halls in the U.S. that food will be available at no cost, on a freewill donation basis, at JW conventions.
This info as well as the legal brief that was filed by the WT in Jimmy Swaggart’s case can be found at:http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/jw_jimmy_swaggart.htm
Watchtower – May 15, 1960, page 295: “The Scriptures justify the ‘war strategy’ of hiding true facts from the enemy.”
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 JBob says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:27 pm
 
@dee – you missed something in “what really happened” there— you see it was published in WSJ that the Watchtower had filed “amicus curiae” during the Swaggert trial, then we had the famous “free literature” switch.
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 dee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 6:25 am
 
The WT may no longer be earning as much revenue from the distribution of its publications, it however owns stocks (I understand that some of the companies in which these stocks are held may be questionable) and a significant amount of real estate – the WT recently made a $375 million deal to sell six key properties in Brooklyn, N.Y.: http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/huge-watchtower-sell-seen-boosting-new-tech-triangle-2013-07-10-140000
Public records also show that the WT has received subsidies for its farms from the U.S. government:http://farm.ewg.org/persondetail.php?custnumber=A00359922
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 dee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 6:29 am
 
The WT certainly started out as a publishing company under Rutherford with free labour to distribute its publications. That continued for a while until 1990 when the WT changed its literature distribution program eliminating set prices for literature items. JWs believed the Governing Body instituted a “simplified” arrangement. Few know (including myself at the time) that the change really took place because Jimmy Swaggart lost his case in court regarding the payment of tax for religious books. In a February 21, 1990 letter to congregations, the Society explained the new policy this way:
By adopting a method of literature distribution based completely on donation, Jehovah’s people are able to greatly simplify our Bible education work and separate ourselves from those who commercialize religion (new light! – it took the WT quite a few years to realize that they were doing it wrong. Wonder why God’s Holy Spirit didn’t tell them not to ask for set prices for literature in the first place?)
However, this is what really happened:
Early 1980 State of California informs Jimmy Swaggart Ministries that tax is due for religious books and tapes sold in the state since 1974. Swaggart eventually pays the tax–$183,000.00–but sues for a refund. The case begins moving toward the U.S. Supreme Court.
February, 1989 U.S. Supreme Court rules it is illegal for Texas (and 14 other states) to exempt religious books from sales tax. Some states had been taxing religious books all along.
Summer, 1989 WT Society gives away “free” books released at U.S. conventions. Witnesses are instructed to place donations in contribution boxes to cover the cost.
June 22, 1989 Watchtower Society, files amicus curiae (“friend of the court”) brief with U.S. Supreme Court in Jimmy Swaggart case. Others filing similar briefs include National Council of Churches and Society for Krishna Consciousness.
January 17, 1990 U.S. Supreme Court rules against Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, declaring that the sales tax must be paid.
February 9, 1990 WT Society writes letter to congregations announcing that literature will no longer be sold at Kingdom Hall and no price will be set in door-to-door distribution.
February 25, 1990 February 9th letter from Society is read at Sunday meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses across the United States.
 March 1, 1990 New policy of distributing literature without naming a price goes into effect.
The March 15, 1990, WATCHTOWER magazine and March 22nd AWAKE!–printed earlier–still say “25 cents (U.S.) a copy” and “$5.00 (U.S.) per year.” The April 1, 1990, Watchtower no longer carries a price.
March 11, 1990 Announcement is made at Kingdom Halls in the U.S. that food will be available at no cost, on a freewill donation basis, at JW conventions.
This info as well as the legal brief that was filed by the WT in Jimmy Swaggart’s case can be found at:http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/jw_jimmy_swaggart.htm
Watchtower – May 15, 1960, page 295: “The Scriptures justify the ‘war strategy’ of hiding true facts from the enemy.”
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 Markie says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:58 pm
 
Everything you said I knew years or decades ago. It was no secret. Calling a religious institution a publishing company is really just being overly critical. Weren’t the magazines offered for $.25 and bibles $3.00. Other books for a buck? Jimmy Swaggert was selling his bibles for a lot more. He was selling them with a good profit margin. No comparison but if they had to pay sales tax the brothers knew they would be next on the states list to go after. Most of the societies money came from donations like it does today. They did not have large profit margins on the literature if any at all. So calling the society a publishing company is just plain short sighted. Seeing what you want to see. But they did sell off Brooklyn at a bad time and then squandered the millions on new cribs for themselves. If they could have waited a few years the would have gotten a lot more.
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 James Broughton says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:36 am
 
Dee, I found this comment recently which might throw more light on the finances question. “I have a friend who has done a bit of searching through the Corporate Records Office. The WT are wealthy alright. Watch Tower petty cash reserves,
 Net Asset Fund $18,575,509,118.83… that’s 18 billion 575 million US dollars as at 9th September 2015
 Not bad for a ‘non-stock, not-for-profit organization’”. Hope that is of help. 
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 Markie says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:56 am
 
I would like to see proof of that. If they have that amount of cash they are smarter then I think. I don’t believe that is accurate.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 5, 2015 at 12:09 pm
 
5000 ignored sex abuse cases in Australia alone x’s $10,000,000.00 each is $50,000,000,000.00 They are a bit short. Now lets play with the worldwide numbers…….
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 JB Reezner says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:48 pm
 
The WTBTS is one of many investors who participate in a JP Morgan “Liquid Assets Money Market Fund” that currently has a value of $18+ billion. The Org is surely far from being broke, but the $18 billion “Net Asset Fund” figure shouldn’t be mistaken for their own petty cash reserves.
I think there would be less of an air of panic in all of the Org’s recent efforts to save (and chase) money if they had that much cash lying around.
I’d love to see abuse victims get everything the Org has, but I fear that the various court systems that will be involved will avoid setting legal precedents that could potentially have a devastating impact on religions more politically influential than our little cult.
That’s not to say the Org won’t have to pay millions to victims. I just don’t think it will be as devastating as we all hope it will be. However, I do think that more and more people realizing that it’s a life-ruining cult WILL be as devastating as we all hope it will be.
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 covertfade says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:13 am
 
For what it’s worth, I tend to agree that if the bOrg had 18 Billion just lying around we wouldn’t have seen the succession of embarrassing climb downs recently over construction and the foot shuffling pleas for cash on JW Broadcasting. This is a VERY proud organisation and the only reason they’d be indicating anything other than total financial stability would be if there genuinely were concerns in-house about the books.
The overwhelming narrative they feed their followers is “Jah blesses everything we do and there are never and problems. This lack of problems PROVES God is with us.” The only reason they’d put something out there that ran against that narrative is if they genuinely had to.
TL, DR. They’re not acting like they have a cool 18 Billion on ice.
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 markie says:

 November 6, 2015 at 6:43 am
 
I didn’t think they had billions. I do believe they sold the properties in Brooklyn and got close to a billion. But I do believe they spent all of it on their new digs. I truly love how they tell us not to pursue things in this world such as education because we are so deep in the time of the end but they are building this wonderful campus using all these brothers and sisters who really should be out in the ministry since we are so close to the time of the end.

 
 
 
 
 Holy Connoli says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:25 am
 
@JAMES BROUGHTON. Does that $18 Billion Dollars ONLY refer to cash on hand?
 Does it include any Real Estate holdings or stocks and Bonds etc? How did your friend have access to that information or get that info? Can he publish it for us and show us
 the source? That would be powerful information to verify.
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 JB Reezner says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:52 am
 
Holy C, the $18 billion refers to a fund that many investors are participating in. WTBTS is only one investor in that fund.
Relevant links can be found in the original comment (by enuffs enuff) here: http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/12-things-we-learned-from-geoffrey-jacksons-testimony-at-the-royal-commission/comment-page-2#comment-36075
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 Garrett says:

 November 5, 2015 at 6:29 am
 
Come back to Jehovah’s organization………………..with your wallet.
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 Vivian says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:44 pm
 
That’s funny!
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 MimiLove says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:09 am
 
Has everyone seen this map? I know it isn’t complete but wow…http://aawa.co/jw-crime-map/
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 James Broughton says:

 November 5, 2015 at 7:14 am
 
Lloyd, that was so helpful. The latest Awake! (November 2015) makes interesting reading with its article”Is Religion Dying Out?” Their use of statistics is highly selective of course and their conclusion is that theirs is the only religion that has Jehovah’s approval. I would like to challenge that. Well done on your response to Mark Sanderson.
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 Garrett says:

 November 5, 2015 at 9:16 am
 
Just watched the Sanderson video.
 Mark Sanderson is at least 30% body fat which is obese, yet he quotes Luke
 21:34 which says to not be “overeating”. The GB are clueless.
They show the illustration repeatedly of the sheep and the Shepard. How appropriate!
 Sheep aren’t kept as pets or because people like the company. It’s a business.
 They let them graze on worthless scrub so they can fleece them for wool and eventually kill them for meat.
 Just checked. Lamb chops are on sale at Byerly’s for $14.99 per pound.
 Bet our wooly friend wasn’t too happy about returning to the flock.
If YOU have strayed, …my advice? “Run Forest! Run!”
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 Jake says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:29 am
 
Lol. You didn’t mention their mental ineptitude.
 Is it that they save their own souls and feel better if they try to reach? . . . Box ticked.
 It’s not about me at all is it?, it’s about you. You’d die for me apparently, give your soul above your own to save my soul, I’d be right in thinking that wouldn’t I?
 Get this right Watchtower I do not bow. So what’s so difficult about a question?
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 Robert67 says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:17 am
 
To all my ex-jw friends who are having doubts about going back, please listen to this absolute must hear podcast on the subject of dangerous and life threatening religious leaders.
 It is one episode taken from Hardcore History podcast by Dan Carlin
 I recommend listening to the whole thing, maybe during your walking or workout time or as background while you work.
http://podbay.fm/show/173001861/e/1366626424?autostart=1
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 Jake says:

 November 5, 2015 at 11:40 am
 
Show me a Jehovahs Witnesess willing to die for me.
 Your a fraud Watchtower. Keep your sh t for your own ears.
 Your on the side you think is winning.
 No offence towards the genuine.x
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 Holy Connoli says:

 November 5, 2015 at 12:25 pm
 
I watched the video with interest bc the way I see it the WT is EXCELLENT at propaganda. they take a few examples and make a short video about a few cases where Everything turned out “beautiful” and they lived happily ever after. Well, that isn’t the way it works in the real Worls for JW’s that leave the WT. They leave bc they see the real WT and the way they treat people and abuse thm mentally and physically many times and the fact that the WT has never apologized to any of it’s victims or admitted that they have made hundreds of mistakes and fake prophecies. When I saw the podcast it reminded me of a Jmmy Hendrix song that is a classic called all along the WATCH TOWER! In the opening words of the song he says,” Their must be some kind of way out of her” “said the joker to the thief”. So this website and many others are showing there is a WAY OUT OF HERE! I am including the Song by Jimi Hendrix. Please listen to the words.Much of it does apply to the REAL WT ..https://youtu.be/TLV4_xaYynY
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 Holy Connoli says:

 November 6, 2015 at 5:26 am
 
From Holy Connoli: Here are the words to the Jimi Hendrix Classic All Along the “WATCHTOWER” AA lot of it applies to the Current Watchtower. I did a little self interpretation WT style!On this Song.
 ..https://youtu.be/TLV4_xaYynY
There must be some kind of way out of here, ” ( THE JW religion )
 Said the joker to the thief,
“There’s too much confusion, I can’t get no relief. ( The Wt teachings and cult )
 Business men – they drink my wine ( the GB taking money..the Borg )
Plowmen dig my earth ( Publishers working for the WT )
 None of them along the line
 Know what any of it is worth.” ( following the WT and whatever they say )
“No reason to get excited, ” ( The end is not near now so Accept the overlapping generation teaching )
 The thief – he kindly spoke, ( thief is the GB and WT corp )
“There are many here among us
 Who feel that life is but a joke (JWs having their Awakening realize the WT is fake they got scammed)
But you and I we’ve been through that
 And this is not our fate ( getting out of the WT )
 So let us not talk falsely now ( No longer promoting the WT and the WT is a lie )
The hour’s getting late.” (need to realize life goes on and live our lives away from the WT Cult )
All along the watchtower
 Princess kept the view ( Elders and Co controlling your life )
 While all the women came and went
 Bare-foot servants too ( pioneers..mostly women )
Outside in the cold distance
 A wild cat did growl ( anger after realizing the WT lied to us all )
Two riders were approaching ( the WT falling and imploding )
 And the wind began to howl, hey. ( collapse of the Ivory WT )
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:03 am
 
Well, Holy Connoly, you’ve made me pick up my Taylor, lets do this.
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 ruthlee says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:03 am
 
Ah Jake I just had to reply to you.Of course every jw would die for you thats easy because they won’t have to speak to you again. As for charity don’t expect a coat to keep you warm .I need my coat for MY pioneering it’s all about me. Also don’t expect to have a banquet of well oiled dishes you will have to pray for manna and the odd raven to give you meat. Did I say i’d die for you of course not iv’e got too many hours to put on a sheet in fact I really don’t have time even to greet you because i’m so busy in the work.I.m sure you are such an understanding person because if you get cross at me i will show you the imperfect card. I keep that with my blood card right close to my heart lest i should forget……. Out of dreamland now Honestly do we really want pigswill when bread and wine is on offer ? any takers out there ? ruthless/ruthlee.
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 Jake says:

 November 5, 2015 at 12:14 pm
 
I have a polish person living with me. . He said. . What’s with all the fireworks? I said. . We tried to blow up our own parliament and failed so we celebrate it
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 Cassandra says:

 November 5, 2015 at 1:18 pm
 
Beautifully and wonderfully said.
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 dee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 2:10 pm
 
Most JWs (including myself when I used to be one) get hooked on the idea that they will live forever in a world free from sickness, pain, suffering, death, war, conflicts, crime etc. Once they get hooked on this notion, that’s all that matters, they then just accept everything else that they are told as gospel, no questions asked. I have even heard some JWs say that the idea of living forever on earth sounds logical when compared to going to heaven – they reason that God would not have gone through the trouble of creating a habitable planet just for humans plus give man the desire to live forever if he intended otherwise; besides, no sick person has ever said that they are happy that they only have a few months to live.
JWs strongly believe that their paradise earth is the solution to man’s dislike of death and this is what traps them in the religion. A JW told an ex-JW: “Once a JW always a JW you will return to that cult as you get older and your mortality becomes more of a concern to you”.
I think it is up to each individual to come up with their own reasons why they would never return to the JWs. These are just some of the questions that I would ask any JW who wants me to come back to “the truth”:
1. Do you know that the WT once taught that the millions of persons on the earth who would be alive until 1925 would never die? Do you know that the WT once taught that the earthly resurrection would begin in 1925, starting with the return of the faithful men of old such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to earth?
 (Millions Now Living Will Never Die;
 The Way to Paradise 1925 ed.;
 Kingdom Ministry Oct 1920;
 Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 pg. 217, Sept 1 pg. 262;
 Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 pg. 106;
 Watch Tower 1924 Jul 15 pg. 211;
 Watch Tower 1920 Dec 15 pg. 379
 Golden Age 1924 Feb 13 pg. 314
 Cover of the 1921 book The Harp of God)
2. Have you ever done your own research to find out the number of persons who have been born over the last 2000 years? If all of these persons were to be resurrected on to the earth, how many persons per square kilometre would there be given that there must also be land for non-residential uses such as food production, forests, hills, mountains, valleys, recreational areas, industrial activity, transportation infrastructure etc.
3. Would this be ecologically sustainable?
4. What would this mean if all of the dead since mankind’s beginning are to be resurrected onto the earth, will they plus all the JW Armageddon survivors fit? Would this be ecologically sustainable?
5. Would the earth look like what is portrayed in the WT’s depictions of the new system – luxury houses separated by many kilometres of parkland, a paradise of sparsely populated tracts of land, filled with smiling children living in mansions?
6. Since no one will be dying in paradise, and given your answers to 2.- 5. above, will there be room for any children given that:
i) the WT’s depictions of the new system show that children will be living on the paradise earth?
 ii) Isaiah 65:17-25 which is used by the WT to describe the perfect living conditions on the paradise earth states in verse 23: “They shall not labor in vain, Nor bring forth children for trouble; For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, And their offspring with them”.
7. Are there scriptures which state that the earth will NOT last forever? Are these scriptures literal or figurative? How do you know?
8. Are there scriptures which state that the earth will last forever? Are these scriptures literal or figurative? How do you know?
9. Were Adam and Eve created immortal?
 If they did not sin, would God have allowed them to eat from the tree of life to live to time indefinite? (Gen. 3:22).
 YES: Why would this be necessary if they were originally created immortal?
 NO: So both if they did not sin and if they did sin, they would not be allowed to eat from the tree of life? What was the purpose of the tree of life then?
 I DON’T KNOW: But they definitely would not have been allowed to eat from it if they did sin. What was the purpose of the tree of life then?
10. Is there anywhere in Genesis that God ever stated that Adam and Eve would live forever, except in regard to eating from the tree of life? Could it be that Adam ad Eve were in fact created mortal and that it would have been the act of eating from the tree of life that would have imparted immortality to them?
11. What is the reason that God gave why Adam would die as stated at Gen 3:19? Would that have been the case whether or not Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit?
12. Is it really because Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit why they died? Animals and vegetation did not eat the forbidden fruit, they did not inherit sin yet they die. Could it be that mortality is the natural order of life?
“For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of animals is the same. As one dies, so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no pre-eminence or advantage for man over an animal, for all is vanity” (Ecclesiastes 3:19).
“All flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers, and its flower falls away.” (1 Peter 1:24).
13. Could it be that the only way that mortal man can live forever on earth is by having children?
14. Will people be dying in the eternal earthly paradise which the WT promises?
The Way to Paradise, pg. 228 states:
“……Some of them used to be undertakers; but since THERE ARE NO MORE PEOPLE DYING, they have had to seek some new occupation…….”.
However:
 i) You Can Live Forever In Paradise on Earth Pg. 178 states:
“Even under these best of circumstances, some will refuse to serve God. As the Scriptures say: ‘Though the wicked one should be shown favor, he simply will not learn righteousness. In the land of straight forwardness he will act unjustly’ (Isaiah 26:10). So after being given full opportunity to change their ways and to learn righteousness, such wicked ones will be destroyed. Some will be put to death even before Judgment Day ends”.
ii) Isaiah 65:17-25 is used by the WT to describe the perfect living conditions on the paradise earth yet it states that people will be dying in the paradise earth:
vs. 20: “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who DIES at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.”
iii) According to You Can Live Forever In Paradise on Earth Pg. 183, those Witnesses who survive to the end of the millennial Judgment Day face a further test when Satan is loosed to again deceive humanity (Revelation 20). Following this test, God will destroy those Witnesses who turned away from Jehovah and his government.
15. So then, there will be people dying in paradise even though some of the WT’s publications say that this won’t be the case?
16. So then, there is no guarantee that the JWs who survive Armageddon and those who are resurrected will in fact live forever?
17. How will it be possible that the resurrected could die a second time when the Bible teaches that mankind will die only once (Hebrews 9:27)?
Also, according to Luke 20:34 – 36, resurrected persons cannot die:
“Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and THEY CAN NO LONGER DIE; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.”
18. So then, there will be 2 different kinds of persons living in paradise?
 i) The resurrected who cannot die
 ii) The JW Armageddon survivors who can die according to Isaiah 26:10, Isaiah 65:20 and Revelation 20
19. Even the animals will live peaceably in paradise according to You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, Pg. 164 – how will this happen? Will carnivores be magically changed to herbivores?
Some prospective converts do realize that living forever in a paradise earth is the key ‘tactic’ that is used to reel persons into the religion – I recall while being in the religion, a JW mentioned to me just how puzzled she was by her non-witness relative’s response to her efforts to get him interested in “the truth”; he told her: No, he doesn’t want to live forever. She just couldn’t understand how someone wouldn’t want to live forever. But it certainly worked for her non-witness relative since she realized that once she couldn’t hook him with living forever in paradise, then he just wouldn’t be interested in anything else about “the truth”. This is probably the best way to get rid of JWs when they come knocking – just tell them ‘No, I don’t want to live forever’ and that should end the recruiting for them.
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 Caroline says:

 November 5, 2015 at 4:02 pm
 
@dee, those are some really good thought provoking questions!!
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 Robert67 says:

 November 5, 2015 at 9:41 pm
 
Dee, that is what happens when you carry the arrogance of these false prophets. They have some inherent form of entitlement over Gods word to humanity throughout history.
They completely forget that the Bible is composed of 66 individual books that were written FOR us, not TO us. They try to make us drink a pre blenderd version of scripture as you have demonstrated and sadly most will never fact check their twisted take on scripture.
Most of their shunning policies are taken from the Torah, without going the whole way through with what it asks the people to whom it was written to. Instead on focusing on the lessons of integrity and faith, they nit pick at rules that Christ replaced to form their precious discipline rules.
I no longer worry about trying to twist and wrestle with scripture that was not directed at me. My focus instead is on the free gift of atonement with God that Jesus made possible. I know that I should live a moral life and share the Gospel, not because I want to earn a golden ticket with God, but rather in appreciation for the fact that it has already been given to me.
I don’t subscribe to the tin foil hat secret illuminati decipher ring elite Bible readers clique as before, I will not be guilty of the same sin as these new light fabricators. I will not be the guy that turns scripture into high school Shakespeare. I already have my check list, a very simple one.
Live a moral life, check.
 Have faith in God, check
 Have faith in Christ and his redeeming sacrifice, check
 Share the gospel, while I live and let live, check.
 Sorry Mr.Sanderson, you will only lead me to hate Gods word through your tyrannical adulterated take on scripture.
 You seem like a good guy, but the only way I can trust you is if you pick up the torch where brother Ray Franz left it and speak the real truth, Gods word, not what comes out of the minds of seven men.
Hope.
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 dee says:

 November 5, 2015 at 10:29 pm
 
Thanks for the feedback Robert.
A possible slogan for your activist campaign?
“Jehovah’s Witnesses……….Proclaimers of ‘soon’ since 1879”.
Cheers.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:00 pm
 
Dee,I mean the stones these guys must have, to completely and purposely twist a whole new Bible out of the Bible.
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 Homer says:

 November 5, 2015 at 10:55 pm
 
@ dee…
WOW….Very interesting points you make. Can’t believe how much selective Bible study we do as JW’s.
Been reading JW Survey for a long time now and I’ve seen a lot. I’ve seen enough to tell me the JW is a destructive cult.
I’m a regular pioneer (by title since nobody knows I’ve not been out in field service the past two months) but I’ve reported hours in my report slip. I’m a ministerial servant too and was reaching out to serve as elder until three months ago.
In fact I was so “zealous” I was planning to attend SKE with my fiancee after marriage until three months ago. I read Crisis of Conscience, In Search of Christian Freedom and The Gentile Times Reconsidered. They were eye-openers for me. I realized almost everything I thought I knew about the Bible was a lie (at least as taught by JWs).
Well, I still attended Pioneer Service School for a second time last month. It became very obvious that I wasn’t doing God’s will. It was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Excitedly I told a friend of mine. He lives about 13 000 miles from me. Told him this couldn’t be the truth as we believe it is. He asked me to report myself to my elders or he’ll do so. I did not report myself….he did.
The worst part? He copied and pasted our entire conversation to an elder in my congregation. My Inquisition began. I knew there was always going to be one “winner”. Two elders met with me after midweek meeting on a Wednesday. I knew already what it was for.
I mentioned my doubts especially 607 BCE….told them even a Watchtower publication admits secular sources say its 587/586 BC…and they dismissed that. The elder my friend reported to told me he doesn’t care about those dates since he hates Mathematics and I should honor what the faithful slave says more than any secular source because they do not understand Bible chronology.
To make the long story short, I weakly admitted I need help from them so I’ll be let off the hook. I’m third generation witness and all my extended families are witnesses too. I’m an only son and I lost my dad (a devout witness till death) about 9 months ago, so my mum does need me a lot.
She’s not educated and has refused to join a local language congregation (English isn’t my first language). She can read English well enough but needs my help to understand it well sometimes. My getting disfellowshipped would be too hard for her to bear so I played the “I need help” card.
My fiancee has been very sad and depressed based on my new attitude to the “truth.” I’ve told her it’s not going to change so maybe she may well rethink our relationship if she needs to. And I’ll totally understand. I love her so much…and if not for my immediate family and fiancee I originally felt like preparing and inserting a dissociation speech into my next public talk, but I can’t.
I may well lose my fiancé eventually, but I don’t wanna lose my mum or two sisters. So I’ll stay. I know it’s hard for my fiancé but I’ve told her I can understand anything she chooses to do.
About a year ago I remember consoling her when she was depressed the CO asked her to drop pioneering (she was in university then)….She planned to pick up pioneering again after school so we could meet our goal of SKE…she has staunchly refused to look at anything anti watchtower even Bible portions that are against JW beliefs.
The elders unanimously decided I’m no longer qualified to serve as regular pioneer and ministerial servant. They read 1 Timothy 3:8,9 for me and told me their decision was based on that Scripture. I was told I have seven days to appeal the decision….have five left now.
Told my fiancé and she’s been moody and depressed since then. Told her I don’t want to appeal and that I’ve been given an easy way out without any judicial punishment. I really love her and we’ve been through a lot together. But right now our relationship depends on what she decides to do, and that’s still okay with me in the end. She said being a witness and preaching makes her happy. I love her, so in the end, I want her to be happy even if it means I’m not part of the happiness.
The verdict is still out. But I’m definitely sure this is not and cannot be the truth and if I had my way I’d dissociate instantly…but I don’t have my way…at least not yet.
I decided to pioneer because I felt I know so much about the Bible and just had to tell people about it. Reality has set in though…because I hardly know all about the Bible as is so beautifully shown in your comments here @ dee and many other comments I’ve read over the past couple of months. And a huge part of teaching people the Bible as a witness is telling them Jehovah’s witnesses are the true religion and the only ones doing God’s will.
I don’t believe that anymore.
Thank you everyone for all you do and have done. I’ll be forever grateful. Thanks too Lloyd.
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 Ready 4 to Fade says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:31 am
 
My heart goes out to you, sounds like a terrible predicament. It could be worse, you have many options now. You need to find advice from someone who you admire and trust who is not part in parcel with this mind controlling cult. Look outside to family or friends who have found a measure of happiness and seek guidance.
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 Homer says:

 November 7, 2015 at 12:07 am
 
Thank you Ready to fade
I’ll see how the next couple of months go.
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 redpilltwice says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:29 am
 
Thanks for your story Homer, it’s heartfelt. It’s also my first post here. Quit being an elder end of september. Dropped the A-bomb during the CO’s visit. Couldn’t take the hypocrisy anymore. The rabbit hole was so much deeper than I’d ever expected. My wife and children think the same, that’s a blessing. Now I’m playing weak, just like you. It’s best for me and my family because I’ve already talked too much regarding 607 bce and the handling of sexual abuse victims. I must skip under the radar of my former fellow WT police elders. Wish you all the best regarding your situation!
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:44 am
 
Redpill, I assume that’s a Matrix reference, which is perfect. How can any of us allow ourselves to be plugged back in, lulled into a false sence of security only to be used and abused all over again.
I hope we’ve all learned our lesson and keep an eye out for anyone pushing their own “must have religion” or lack of religion, which would just put us into the negative. There is a great book called The Signature of God, which is a resounding fortifier of faith in the Bible as Gods word.
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 Homer says:

 November 7, 2015 at 12:09 am
 
Thanks Redpill
I’m happy about your family sees things the way you do.
I hope mine will eventually understand I’m not being a tool of Satan but actually saying the truth.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 November 6, 2015 at 5:04 am
 
@Homer. Homer that is a difficult situation for you. Very difficult and I do understand.
 It must be torture for you right now but you show a great attitude and very unselfish with your honesty with your Fiancee and how you said whatever she decides is fine with you bc you want her to be happy. Great attitude you have. I was a former long time Elder and when I realized it was a scam I had to step down and fade away. It has been almost 20 years now but my wife has been a hard nosed pioneer all that time and still is today so I had to find other friends and activities to do since from my late teens I became a JW so all of your friends and life gets involve with the JW’s.Try to take it slow and I understand why you cannot at this time completely leave with your Mothers situation etc.Little by Little things will get better. It is amazing that a religion has that much power over us isn’t it? How they effect our families and they use fear to keep people in the ORG instead of love.
The fact that you shared some feelings with that Brother and he turned you in to the Elders in your ong for “EXPRESSING” yourself is the same as Communism. That is what people did in Soviet Union and/or East Germany. If you were caught expressing yourself or NOT towing party line you would be reported to the party!
 Then they would send you to a “RE-EDUCATION CAMP” to brainwash you again and make sure you thought what they wanted you to think. The Motto is TRUST NO ONE and in reality it is not much different in the WT. They will report you to the Authorities ( Elders ) Ihad a similar situation myself Homer in that I did not want my family to shun me so I faded and I did not want my children shun me.
 Today only 1 of my 3 kids are JW’s. the others faded and we talk about it among us. The wife is still pioneering and everything turns into an argument if you bring up the flip flop changes or weird teachings and duff prophecies of the WT.
 You will be fine Homer. It will just take some time. All the Best
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 Homer says:

 November 7, 2015 at 12:05 am
 
Holy Connoli,
Thank you.
I’ll take it all gradually. My fiancé told me she’ll decide in the next couple of days, so I’ll see how it goes then.
I told her I’m expressing how I feel now so that she wont feel I tricked her into marriage. So want her to make her choice.
It’s Saturday morning here and three months ago I’d be on my way to field service now. But I can’t do that anymore.
Sorry about your wife. It’s sad but true that some witnesses will never wake up.
Best wishes.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 5:25 am
 
@Homer
 I’m so happy and sad for you as we’ll friend. I’m still on the inside but haven’t been identified yet. The John Cedars youtube channel has a fantastic tutorial on how to slowly fade out without raising too many alarms if that is your goal.
By staying I’ve been able to lead others to important ex-jw articles without giving myself away and then build on that with healthy eye opening conversations on what ex-jw’s have figured out. I read the Bible more than ever now as I no longer feed off of the Faithful Slaves spiked table and do not wish to starve out spiritually. The letter Paul wrote to the Colosseans is a constant true North for me that reminds me what my focus should be on.
I would suggest you increase your own reading and constantly share in conversations of scripture with your mother as your participation in different “theocratic” activities fades down. These conversations should lead your mother to a greater zeal in Gods word, one that trumps that, which she has for the GB and also reassure her of your faith in scripture.
Remember 1 Timothy 2:3,4
“This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.”
Pray over the matter, tell God what your plans are and where you’ll need help. If anyone knows the truth about this cult, its him. Make your new religion your own personal relationship with God in the light of scripture, not books and magazines about scripture.
True the Bible states that all scripture is beneficial and I agree, but your going to have to figure out and perhaps write down those few things that truly do apply to you. In this new personal Church or congregation you will have to be a regular attendee, because your faith in scripture will dwindle away and eventually die.
 You have seen for yourself what organized religion does with Gods word. The right church can be a wonderful blessing that brings us closer to God. The wrong church can be just the opposite. Whether or not a particular church is “right” or “wrong” depends on whether or not it helps YOU. It might be the right church for you and the wrong one for me. However, none of us have to go to church to be saved. All we have to do is seek a relationship with God through Christ. If going to church strengthens that relationship, by all means, go. If it does not, put that same time and energy into something that does strengthen it, like simply talking to God through prayer.
Remember, you are already saved and God loves you unconditionally. Yes, unconditionally. Christ died that all might live. Yes, we are called to live in the image of Christ, but God created us as human (fallible) beings and does not reject us for what we do. Our repentance immediately brings His forgiveness. Even without repentance, God loves us, though He may not love our actions or thoughts or words.
 How different from the anti biblical auto shunning policies of this doomsday cult.
 Welcome to the truth
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 Tara says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:23 am
 
That wonderful advice. I think I am going to use my King James Bible that my parents bought me when I was confirmed into the CoE. I was 13 then. Not coerced or threatened. Not told I would die if I didn’t…. My love for God was pure and from the heart then. Thanks Robert :)
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 Homer says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:58 pm
 
It just didn’t feel right that JW feel they’re the only ones who understand the Bible. As if it were written to them.
So all these past centuries nobody understood the Bible? Pathetic reasoning!
I had never believed we’re the only ones who will be saved and I never preached that. I remember an unbaptized witness roommate telling me that there are people out there in churches more devoted to God and who were better than the average witness. I agreed with him wholeheartedly without trying to do “mental gymnastics” on him.
About two weeks ago here I heard a brother comment that the worst witness is better than the best “worldly” person as an encouragement for sisters to marry only in the lord. I could only shake my head in disgust.
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 markie says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:40 am
 
What a friend. I think Geoffrey Jackson should be removed too. He said that it would be presumptuous from him to assume that the GB is God soul mouth piece on earth. If I said that I would be removed too.
 I am in a similar position as you. My wife is a pioneer and constantly takes my children in field service. Which is fine.
 I think one should never take what the GB says as the absolute truth. First mistake of most people on this website. The apostles were wrong and they had Jesus to talk to. The GB are just presumptuous imperfect men that’s why I did what I wanted to do about education etc….There is no religion on earth that is perfect. I am one who hopes there is a god out there somewhere and hopefully he will return his attention back to the earth someday. So what I do is concentrate on helping and being friendly to those in my congregation that are on the fringes. That’s how I copy with all the stupid people at the hall.
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 ruthlee says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:24 am
 
Interesting point you raised markie! You mentioned G Jackson’s odd comment about not presuming that they are the sole channel of God right now on earth. Boy oh boy what is it the elders trot out when they are on a witch hunt? Is it not something like “Do you think the GB are God’s spirit directed org?” if you say yes then aok , if you say no You are for the chop. So where does that leave Mr Jackson. He implied there may be others God is using. If so God is compromised or he is ummm. I wonder what his judicial will sound like. Would make for interesting reading. ruthlee
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 markie says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:31 am
 
He compromised himself. Plain and simple. Yet he ill judge other people. Like the bible says never put your trust in earthling man. And that includes them.

 
 
 Excelsior! says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:14 am
 
ruthlee,
The context of Jackson’s words are that it would be another JW that could be the mouthpiece. Of course, this individual would have to time their revelation to match perfectly with the gb’s or they would be disfellowshipped for running ahead of God’s chariot!!
Jackson is not stating that a non JW could be a channel for God.
The bible says clearly that anyone can be a mouthpiece for God. Anyone who loves is in union with God and with Jesus Christ. 1 John 4
Peace be with you, Excelsior!

 
 
 
 
 Tara says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:18 am
 
Really feel for you Homer. When you sit and listen to the stuff that comes from the platform it just makes you realize it’s not the truth.
 Your fiancee has to walk her own path and that is so generous of you to let her do it. She may eventually take another look on her own at what is being taught. It’s so frustrating to know how many are trapped within the Borg. just so we don’t loose our family or friends. That in itself tells us how cruel it is.
 Hang in there dear one. You have new friends in your corner now. Many in the same situation as you. Big hug.
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 Homer says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:45 pm
 
So true Tara….some witnesses will actually never wake no matter what evidence there is. I can only hope my fiancé isn’t like that. But I can’t force my opinions on her.
It’s some consolation to know I’m not alone. Many others are trapped too.
Big hugs too
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 Excelsior! says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:21 am
 
Homer,
You are indeed like Odysseus on an odyssey!
There is one rule to follow in your situation and that is to be loving.
I hope that your fiancé comes to understand and appreciate your decisions. She is lucky to have someone like you in her life.
In the short term, follow my patented formula – praise “Jehovah God’s spirit directed organisation”
Praise the elders (flattery is a powerful weapon).
Say nothing negative about “The Truth”
This will give you some time and room to breathe.
Be there for your Mum. I lost my Dad to cancer 4 years ago, so I have some idea what you are going through.
I hope that we can help you in this very trying time. We do want to.
Peace be with you, Excelsior!
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 Homer says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:32 pm
 
Excelsior….Sorry about your loss. My dad died from diabetic complications. Suffered a stroke. Actually died in my arms.
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 Homer says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:38 pm
 
Thank you everyone for your kind and encouraging words. They were the best gifts I received yesterday.
The elders told me yesterday that I will no longer be in charge of literature in the congregation anymore. I was supposed to read paragraphs during Watchtower study on Sunday but I was told not to worry about it anymore.
I really can’t wait for the announcement that I’m no longer serving as ministerial servant and regular pioneer. They were shocked when I told them I won’t appeal their decision to review my qualifications. The look on their faces was: “This dude is really spiritually weak.”
I feel much better now. I had volunteered to go to an unassigned territory over here all of next week. I was told I can’t go anymore (still happy of course).
I know when the announcement is made, everyone will suspect immorality as usual to be the cause of my “downfall”. That’s their business. I don’t care about that.
As for my fiancé, I asked her some thought-provoking questions: “What if you later wake up and realize you’ve been living a lie all along? What if you’re married to an over-righteous elder by then who will never understand the pain and anger you’ll feel then? Will you ever forgive yourself for letting me and our years together go because of Watchtower?” She was speechless. I continued: “I want to be there for you when you wake up. I want to walk that path with you when you choose to do it. I want to help make the process less painful and frustrating for you.”
I believe she’ll see through it all someday. But that’s merely wishful thinking and it’s entirely up to her. I’ve told her several times that whatever she decides to do, I’ll respect that. Time will tell the tale.
As for my mum and siblings, I believe it’ll be a slow process. But I’ll be completely patient with them.
For me, going to meetings now is torture. I can literally pick apart everything they say there. It’s sad that after the announcement everyone will be sad and feel pity for me since they were all looking forward to my qualifying to serve as elder (been a ministerial servant for six years now…since I was 18). And I was so close to being appointed elder. Doesn’t matter anymore to me.
For now, I’ll play the “I need help” card perfectly whilst praising the organization for being “Jehovah’s sole channel for survival.” My acting skills are not bad…Lol…I’ve been in several convention dramas (part of why I’m very popular among the witnesses in my city) so I’ll put my skills to good use.
Thanks again everyone.
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 Vivian says:

 November 5, 2015 at 10:38 pm
 
Intellectual honesty. That is what it all comes down to.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 November 6, 2015 at 5:46 am
 
We all remember Jones town suicide from the Religion of Jim Jones where over 900 followers drank the poison laced Kool aid and committed suicide together around maybe 1980? Everyone agrees this was a CULT. I found a intriguing comment from a survivor of that tragic event and when you read it tell me EXACTLY what current religion it reflects? Here is th e quote and where you can find it. To me this is EXACTLY what the WT religion is.
 Here is a chilling quote everyone needs to ponder:
“…When our own thoughts are forbidden, when our questions are not allowed and our doubts are punished; when contacts & friendships outside of the organisation are censored, we are being abused for an end that never justifies its means. When our heart aches knowing we have made friendships and secret attachments that will be forever forbidden if we leave, we are in danger. When we consider staying in a group because we cannot bear the loss, disappointment and sorrow our leaving will cause for ourselves and those we have come to love, we are in a cult.”—-Deborah Layton, Jonestown survivor. (from the book: Seductive Poison, page 299. Anchor Books, New York, 1998)
You never know you are in a cult until you try to leave
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 Searcher says:

 November 6, 2015 at 7:58 am
 
You know? When the watchtower society and the leaders get to this point in this day and age of free information where they are appealing to people as ‘sheep’ to come back, then the GB is in a real state of denial and delusion. This ‘sheep’ and ‘rye grass’ stuff is just so pathetic to say the least. Charles Russell, Joe Rutherford, Nate Norris, and their minions were fairly cleaver with an audience that was kept in the dark for so long. If Mark Sanderson, Tight Pants, Splane, and animatron Lett are any indication of those running this organization, then we have no reason to worry that this organization in a tail-spin downward, readying to crash. These ‘personal stories’ between Sanderson’s pleadings are a real production too, looking more like an infomercial. Again, pathetic. The only people that would lap that stuff up are people willing to shut down their brains and say, ‘hey, my head hurts, do all the thinking for me.’ Unfortunately, these guys are not only pathetic, but dangerous too.
Would you want to go back to have these circus clowns run your life? Not me!
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 Baby says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:11 am
 
For all of you.
 Dismiss your concerns the Bible say: 1peter 5:7 ”while you throw all your anxiety on him, because he cares for you.”
John 6:44 “No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day”
(Ezekiel 34:16) “The lost one I will search for, the stray I will bring back, the injured I will bandage, and the weak I will strengthen; but the fat one and the strong one I will annihilate. I will feed that one with judgment.”
(Psalm 119:176) I have strayed like a lost sheep. Search for your servant, For I have not forgotten your commandments.
 (Luke 21:34-36) “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you 35 as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth. 36 Keep awake, then, all the time making supplication that you may succeed in escaping all these things that must occur and in standing before the Son of man.”
meditate on these Bible verses.
listen to the November program of JW.Broadcasting tv.jw.org and tries to hear the voice of Jehovah your God
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:23 am
 
@Baby, sorry to tell you but since I “left” Jehovah, my depression has gone. If I wanted to worship Jehovah, I don’t need an organization to do it. We all know those scriptures, so why are you telling us them like we never heard them before?
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:26 am
 
and Baby, to add to my last comment, when I watched and listened to the November broadcast, I didn’t “hear” Jehovah. I “heard” Mark Sanderson. Are you suggesting that Jehovah was speaking through Sanderson or just what were you suggesting?
If you believe that God is speaking through the Watchtower Organization, do you have any proof of that? If so, please let us know and I will gladly return to “Him”, through the Organization.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:02 am
 
I have and lately he’s constantly patting me on the back. Our relationship has grown exponentially since awakening to the truth. He has truly embraced me mentally and emotionally since I stopped using men to replace his son as mediator in our relationship. I am filling up notebooks faster than I could ever imagine before with clear vision as to whom, what, where he was writing a specific book of the Bible.
Since awakening I have not become lazy in my study of scripture, an apostate in the biblical sense or become rebellious against my creator. I started this new freedom with a tired heart, weary mind and burdened conscious, which God through his word has replenished. Nourishing my faith in him after 30 years of spiritual food substitute.
If you came to this site it is because you also have a heart that knows it needs more and I hope you are brave enough to find the solace and home you need in a personal faith and philosophy that sings to you. One that is between you and God.
Many of us have been working to rebuild our spiritual life and this site with the light it shines on the coven of vampires in Brooklyn, has allowed us to gain traction in these efforts. It has allowed many of us to replace the hot tears of injustice that would stream down our face with tears of joy and hope and a conviction to help others like you come to know the truth about this cult.
 This is where we the healing live out Hebrews 10:24,25
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 Searcher says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:32 am
 
@Baby
 The only thing I heard in that jw broadcast was Sanderson’s blather and cult-speak. Not to mention a bunch of syrupy infomercials. I thought I would need insulin after watching those productions. Each subject of the infomercials might as well say, “I so happy that I returned to Jehovah (i.e. the WTS), because reality was much more than I could ever handle.” I agree with @Caroline, show me where Sanderson actually spoke for God and I will gladly return to the fold. For now Sanderson is full of ###t.
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 Searcher says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:44 am
 
I forgot to add. Yes. I did meditate on those scriptures you presented. My thoughts were that all of these put together have a common theme, “come back else YOU’RE DOOMED!” Have I got that about right? Eh?
If history serves me right, the sun will rise and the sun will set and the wheels on the bus will keep going round and round. It’s time for you to meditate on those verses that were given to you to repeat here. Then, ask yourself, why would these be picked out so uniquely and put together. Get my drift?
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 Searcher says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:01 am
 
@Baby.
 My apologies for ranting at you. I should have done this with a bit more tact and concern for you as a person. It just fuels my fire when someone starts quoting scripture. I had enough of that when I was studying and then questioning the WTS philosophy. When I actually had a real question about the doctrine of the WTS, I would only to get a bunch more scriptures thrown at me instead of true insight and proof. There really wasn’t any proof returned.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:50 am
 
Sadly the GB can’t get that through their heads. They have a one size fits all approach to scripture, they take a lot of things literaly, when they were obviously worded and prepared for the people living in that time. Take the opening book of the Bible for example, it sounds like J.K Rowling came up with it. You have to take into account that it is a book written to some recently freed, illiterate, superstitious and completely saturated with Egyptian theology Israelites. Things had to be broken down in wording and illustrations that they would understand. Who better to do this than someone who grew up in those same beliefs. A place where idolatry, which God forbids, was rampant and sorcery or the attempt at it was common practice, to name just a few.
I can no longer stomach anything the GB prints either. I can no longer stomach how easily everyone at the hall laps it up, demonstrating with no doubt in my mind, how unfamiliar with scripture they are. When I read Genesis I focus on Moses opening line to a people who have been duped for so long. “In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the Earth.” That was then and is now, the most important thing they and us have to understand.
The bible is not an IKEA furniture manual with a step 1, step 2, step 3… Approach to explaining the details. All we get is a general idea and nothing more. Same goes with most of scripture. I’ve seen too much in life to be flabbergasted by anything deemed wrong by Bible readers within scripture. These people need to get out and travel more. I just moved to a new city and on our first day here we watch a news report about a cute 9 year old little boy lured into an alley and executed with 8 bullets in his body, all because a relative of his belongs to a rival gang. Lot did this, Noah did that is literaly thousands of years if not more in history’s rear view mirror and such a poor, sad excuse to give up on God altogether.
“God remember that thing you did about the thing, four thousand years ago, which I’ve only read a few verses worth of the details, well, that’s messed up.”
Some people want to see miracles in order to have faith. They want to snap their fingers and have God dance a jig for them. Jesus said these would get nothing more than the sign of Jonah, meaning they will see scripture fulfilled regardless of their doubts.
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 Excelsior! says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:23 am
 
Baby,
Thank you for your genuine concern for us all.
I have no intention of returning to the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The scriptures you quote have no resonance with me.
Peace be with you, Excelsior!
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 Holy Connoli says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:44 pm
 
@BABY, i DID LISTEN TO IT AND THE ONE THING i KEPT HEARING WAS RETURN TO THE “organization” AND JEHOVAH AND HIS ORGANIZATION. THEY KEPT PUTTING THE WORD ORGANIZATION IN THERE WITH GOD LIKE IT IS ONE And the same. Organization, organization, Organization, if they repeat it enough
 they want you to believe it. They are good at propaganda.
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 Tara says:

 November 6, 2015 at 6:33 pm
 
Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you…….
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 rob says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:50 am
 
I absolutely hate it when a witness tells me to return to Jehovah – I have never left Jehovah.
What i have left is a self serving, rule oriented, pharasaical, money hungry corporation, that destroys families, turns people into clones, and that tells people “witness religion first – everything including family – second.
I feel much closer to God now than I did when I was a witness. So please do not tell me that I have left Jehovah. In my opinion the witness religion has left Jehovah and now they worship money and prominence.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:04 am
 
Amen, Rob
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 ruthlee says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:37 am
 
Amen Rob and Robert. I can honestly and truthfully say that when i divorced jehovahs witnesses in my head , my heart became free. NOt for everyone but i love my God and he listens and makes me happy. It,s a joy to read every day his words to me NO interpretation from some old men no rules no evil consequences It,s all a bit unconditional really. If this is what being an apostate is then bring it on Jesus. I,m home not left or abandoned and I know there are some broken souls out there and we want to help you see and feel loved even if its just a few kind comments on this site. All of us have each other and it does not matter what we believe but for me I have found God and I am not going anywhere. ruthlee
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 Sister drifter UK says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:41 am
 
I cannot agree more.
 The assumption is that in stepping back/ separating / leaving or whatever we want to call it – is that we have ‘left Jehovah’.
It is also assumed that it has been done easily with a cavalier attitude and not caring.
 That it is because of weakness and a love of ‘the world’.
That you are miserable and unhappy and lonely with no real friends.
 Actually this is one of the hardest things I have ever had to do.
 And I have had to do it.
 It’s very difficult to leave- that’s why so many who leave messages are still making a pretense at being in.
 I pretended for years.
Now I have had to have a reply up my sleeve for anyone who sakes why I don’t go to meetings etc
It’s very hard not to be drawn and it is best not to be because it rarely gets anywhere.
As a group ‘we’ (I still say that) culturally feel we have the right to ask very personal questions as to faith or belief. We are trained to do so – to ask complete strangers how they feel- do they pray? Etc
It’s very hard to be on the receiving end of that sort of questioning because we don’t tend to ask each other anything because it’s is assumed that we all believe it.
So when you suddenly find yourself in the position if your friends and family asking you why it is good to have a well rehearsed answer that politely shuts them up.
I tend to say ‘this is a very personal matter that I don’t want to discuss’
But I havnt yet had a visit from the elders so that might be different.
Actually they have been very considerate in allowing me to drift without the slightest interest.
I stopped going to meetings months ago- actually over two years since I went on a Sunday and 6 months since mid week – 5 years since reporting and no one has said a word to me, and that’s after being baptised for over 40 years!
Quite amazingly attentive as shepherds.
Actually at some point during that time I think I could have been pulled back in…….the November broadcast was quite a pull- it will work on some.
Rambling on a bit – sorry.
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 Searcher says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:16 am
 
I don’t much think you’re rambling. In my opinion, you’re thinking. That is something that is forbidden of a witness. Look at the post from @baby, no compelling arguments, no proof, no insight past these bible verses. You, on the other hand, offer thought provoking reasoning and questioning. Something that is far beyond the allowable norm of witnesses.
All of us that have come out of the cult indoctrination, have come out because they did think and question. An exercise that has given so many freedom from this dangerous, destructive cult.
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 Ted says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:22 am
 
The unjust concept of inherited sin and all its consequences,
 purposely inflicted upon us. Then followed by the mandatory
 acceptance of a human sacrifice in order to be purged, is
 precisely what gives the Borg, the Catholic Church and all the
 rest, their power to control people.
When I see some one who’s life is blighted by some awful
 deformity or disease, supposedly as a direct result of the
 curse. I just cannot buy into the idea of an all wise, all loving
 God. ( Is that the best an omniscient mind can come up with? )
It would be totally wrong of me to deny others their right to
 believe these things, and I do not do so. I just submit these
 comments as a counter balance to the evangelical references
 that are appearing here. Which imo keep people trapped
 in these domineering religious systems.
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:50 am
 
OK, Ted, we’ll let God be wrong so that you, who have figured it all out be right.
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 Excelsior! says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:59 am
 
Robert67,
I presume that you have absolute proof that your God exists?
No?
Then stop using passive aggressive attacks against us atheists, please. It is utterly unchristian and detracts from your otherwise interesting comments.
Are you going to explain scripturally why it is “loving” to allow innocent people to age, get sick and die? No! Instead, you offer a comment dripping with sarcasm, in an attempt to belittle Ted.
I expect far, far better from a Christian, Robert, I really do. Where does it say in the bible that a Christian should be sarcastic and dismissive of others?
You have chosen to believe in Christianity. I have no problem with you deciding for yourself what you choose to believe.
Please allow Ted and I, and every other atheist, to have the same right to decide.
We should be able to work together to help people who have been seriously harmed by a cult. We should be able to agree to disagree. I hope that we will be able to disagree without being disagreeable.
Peace be with you, Excelsior!
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:49 pm
 
Sorry if it comes off offensive. It is not meant that way, it would be unchristian of me not to defend Gods word. I would appreciate it if bigoted comments directed specifically at the God of the Bible, out of the millions to choose from, would stop. As you can see many of us still have absolute faith in the God of the Bible.
I’ve buried my Grandparents, My father who died at just 51, my baby brother who was hit by a truck at 17, I know death. As an Atheist I would think that you would be most at peace with it, as Neal Degrassi points out, it is one of the benefits of not believing in God. There is no hook up on checking out as he says. Therefore, why obsess or try to milk a mia culpa from scripture as if every last one of us, our parents and children won’t face it at any given moment.
Again, I apologize if my response comes off harsh. It isn’t meant to insult, but to deflect an unnecessary slur on the God of many of this sites posters. The alternative is we continue to post God is an a$&& comments and members like myself keep speaking up, because, make no mistake, speak up we will.
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 JB Reezner says:

 November 6, 2015 at 6:10 pm
 
Robert, I used to think it would be interesting to debate you on the subject of God’s existence and the validity of the Bible. However, I’ve since realized that 98% of my time would have to be devoted to the drudgery of pointing out the flaws in the METHOD you use to defend your position. It’s just endless misdirection by way of weak attempts to ascribe nefarious motives to those who disagree with you, and constant attempts by you to mislabel the simple, honest assertions of our opinions as “slurs”, “bigoted” and “ridicule” (among other things). As I’ve said before, I hope that even the believers on this site notice your unfair tactics, and are disturbed by them.
None of us are looking for a mea culpa in the Bible. We are simply needing evidence that supports the assertion that the God of the Bible is a God of Love. You’ve previously openly stated an unwillingness to consider the brutality perpetrated by God in the OT. But, even venturing into the NT, one finds that God’s solution for mankind’s woes is to have His son brutally murdered so that WE can be forgiven for the fact that some distant relative of ours ate fruit from the wrong tree. We have to disconnect ourselves from our own merciful hearts and rational minds to believe that that is the ultimate act of LOVE. That is, by the way, exactly the same kind of disconnect we had to employ to enable us to believe the Org had the truth.
And then when you position yourself as Defender of the Faith by assuring Excelsior “speak up we will” as it pertains to standing up against those making “God is an a$&& comments”, you’re failing to see that it was largely your own blatant disregard for the posting guidelines of this site that prompted Ted to write his respectful comment in the interest of adding a little balance to the overall conversation here. Then, Excelsior defended Ted against your snarky, disrespectful reply. So again, to portray yourself as the one who was thrown into a defensive position here is a bit of a stretch.
I’m not sure how you get away with persistently posting comments that are “evangelical in nature”. Many of the other believers here seem to be able to write comments rooted in faith that are respectful and frequently even uplifting to all of us here. Although I think they all look up to you, I believe it is really you who could learn from them.
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 JB Reezner says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:46 pm
 
Robert, in my comment above, in the interest of accuracy and clarity, replace the words “…you’re failing to see that it was largely your own blatant disregard for the posting guidelines of this site that prompted Ted to write his respectful comment…” with the words: “…you’re failing to see that your own blatant disregard for the posting guidelines of this site contributed substantially to the comment stream that prompted Ted to write his respectful comment…”
The original wording poorly conveyed my intended point. Accuracy and clarity are very important to me.
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:56 pm
 
Robert, if a person doesn’t believe in the God of the Bible or the Bible itself, there is no way that they could be saying bad things about the God of the Bible.
We who don’t believe in the God of the Bible, don’t blame Him for anything at all but if you want to believe in the God of the Bible, we have no problem with that but Ted is absolutely right in that the concept of inherited sin from Adam and Eve has been a tool of religions for thousands of years to control people through religion and redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ.
So, rather than just believe that we are all born in “sin” like the Bible says, we should be shown some kind of proof that the Bible is perfect and from a perfect God. If there are mistakes and contradictions in the Bible, than the Bible has no control over us. We should be shown some kind of proof that the Bible really is “inspired” of God. Just itself saying it is “inspired”, doesn’t make it inspired of God and no reason to believe in it.
We have a hard time believing in God. If you can supply some kind of evidence, we could believe in Him.
Please don’t say that we are saying bad things about somebody that we don’t even believe in. It’s like we are saying bad things about the tooth fairy when we or you don’t even believe in such a person. How could you be offended? I personally don’t believe in the Bible but when people bring up the Bible and how much they love God etc. I will bring up all those scriptures in the Bible that tells me that if He really does exist, He has to be the worst kind of criminal mind that ever existed. Anybody who did all the things that the God of the Bible told the Israelites to do, would be thrown in jail in any country in the world today, even in the worst countries.
I used to believe in God too and dismissed all the bad parts of the Bible. I believed that he answered prayers but now I see that if he exists, He lets innocent people die and saves bad people, whether or not they pray.
I would personally prefer to believe that He doesn’t even exist than to think that He doesn’t care about innocent people.
If there really is a God that exists, then he should answer prayers and those prayers would have to be supernatural. In other words, things would have to happen that could not happen by any other means, except by supernatural means.
When Ted or anybody makes a comment that makes them question the existence of God, it should not have to be defended by you or anybody. If God exists, He doesn’t need to be defended by you or anybody. He should be able to defend Himself.
All my adult life, it was drilled into me about all that God has done for me and how I owe my life to Him for all He has done for me etc. etc. But religions use that concept of inherited sin to control us by making us feel guilty about even being born or taking a breath or eating a meal and that just by being born from Adam and Eve we “deserve” death.
I hear that all the time from my husband and I have to ask myself, “what did I do to deserve death?” just by being born? Nothing. I didn’t kill anybody so I don’t deserve death.
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 Excelsior! says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:27 am
 
Well said, Ted!
It makes no sense for a “loving” god to punish unborn children for the sins of Adam and Eve.
No sense at all.
Did any of us eat this forbidden fruit? Did any of us have any say in that decision? And yet we grow old, get sick and die! Utterly ridiculous!
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 ruthlee says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:51 pm
 
Ted you and i may see things differently but i do like your counter balance because us religious ones don’t always take the nastier side of religion as valid. It is a bit easy to gloss over and just accept the lovey dovey stuff. So thanks for you last post it made me think and conclude this is not as simple as it seems. note to Excelsior thanks for your point on my g jackson ramble I think you are right i misconstrued his ideas by his words. Nevertheless Mr J still speaks rubbish! ruthlee
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 Anna Adam says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:38 am
 
This is what I came up with John:
Hi Sis,
 Hope you’re feeling better. I have the flu myself.Sorry it took me a little while to get back to you. I do love & miss you very much. I miss how close we were. My arms are always open to you. I have been doing a lot of research lately.
 Being baptized at 15 yrs.old is really too young to make a lifetime commitment . Even getting married at 15 or younger is too young to make such a decision but dedicating your entire life to a religion that you live by daily , which is the most important , is an extremely big decision .
 So now as an adult I’ve been doing a lot of research . Mom gave me the new Bible & the latest magazines. Using the new JW Bible, I
 appreciate these scriptures:
 1Thes.5:21-“Make sure of all things, hold fast to what is fine.”
1Peter3:15-“but sanctify the Christ as Lord in your heart always READY TO MAKE A DEFENCE before every one who demands of you a reason for the hope you have but doing so with a mild temper & deep respect .”
Col.4:6-“Let your reasonableness become known to all men. The Lord is near.”
Prob.14:15-“The naive person believes every word but the shrewd one ponders each step.”
These scriptures are encouraging to me . I know you’re familiar with them because you were always good about deeply studying.
 I enjoyed the JW broadcasting for Nov.
 You were right it did make me cry & I do miss us studying together too.Seems like we can discuss some of the things we are learning together now.
 I don’t want you to think I’m being negative but I do have a few questions.
 In the video released on JW .org. March 2,2014
 On the Philippines typhoon Haiyen the brothers were in the direct path of the typhoon when it struck Nov. 8,2013 & they knew it would cause tremendous damage.The branch office showed a map in the video of the path & told the brothers to evacuate . I just can’t help but wonder what were those brothers doing having a meeting the night it hit instead of evacuating.
 43 people lost their lives in that Kingdom Hall .
 In the Nov. Broadcast ( the typhoon of the Philippines ) was great that the brothers came in with big trucks full of literature , supplies & some tents.
 When I saw Broatcasting #10
 They brought out that Jehovah’s Organization would not approve of child sex abuse .
 I couldn’t help but think of Darlene.
 In the Watchtower Mar. 3rd, 66 it said “Should falsehood & corruption be exposed? Therefore it is right & proper to speak out strongly against falsehood & corruption. A person in imitation of Jesus & has the courage to do so deserve attention & respect.”
It was so sad for Darlene she had the courage to go the Gov.Body & report her brother-in-law & brother for raping her . All they got was being removed as Elders. They treat her horribly still to this day & they are all J.W.’s.
 That was one of the articles I shared with her on my C.D. Rhome, that I still have by the way.
 She really appreciated that because I was one of a few people who supported her.
 Also the Awake 4/8/99-(talking about the Catholic Church) said”Imagine the heart break of parents who discover when it’s too late that their children have been abused by trusted Clergymen or even a family member. Does my Church tolerate or cover up child abuse?”
I could relate to this . A family member in the J.W. religion. Our own my sister.
 I’m not saying that all Congregations of JW. have child molesters, but I know of 4 personally .
 I unbelievably , saw on Dateline that there’s
 thousands of child sex abuse cases against Jehovah’s Witnesses in the courts. They’re having to pay millions of dollars of cases they have lost.
 Then I attached 5 newspaper articles showing the amounts of $’s to each victim.
Her response …..”you can’t believe every thing the media put out there….. She said all the things they’re taught to say. I wasn’t to surprised but she reached out to me first so I wanted to try & reach her the best way I could hoping something might spark her attention. Wow ! Amazing how indoctrinated she is.
 Anna Adam
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 Robert67 says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:00 am
 
Anna, its only a question of time now before most witnesses are free to worship without the GB’s puppet strings. You’ve made your sister aware of just a few wicked things happening within the cult. As this and other websites work to expose the truth about the Watchtower, your sister will eventually stumble into more information that backs what you’ve already stated. Keep asking God for help in freeing your family and keep up with your own study of scripture which will prepare you incase she suddenly wants to listen and be persuaded by Gods word itself. God Bless
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 Excelsior! says:

 November 6, 2015 at 12:11 pm
 
Anna,
Thank you for sharing your correspondence with your sister.
Your comments about personally knowing of four paedophiles moved me deeply. What a terrible situation those poor people are in. I hope that they will seek professional help and receive justice from the superior authorities.
Comments such as yours remind me of why I am here on this site. It is to help bring an end to the suffering of women and children in this disgusting cult. I hope that I shall have a small part in ending the disgusting abuse suffered by so many.
I wish you all the best in your conversations with your sister in the future.
Peace be with you, Excelsior!
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 Average Joe says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:21 pm
 
Anybody else pick up in the broadcast how Sanderson and the other “directors” were dressed when they visited the Philippines to “help out” with the relief efforts? I certainly wouldn’t turn up in a shirt and tie if going to help disaster stricken people. They just seemed to be concerned with filming everything and making people “happy” to have a GB member look in on them.
 I’ll take the opportunity to express my concern of paragraph 10 in this weeks WT study when talking about a personal decision someone makes that we don’t agree with: “we should not quickly judge him or feel that we ought to pressure him to change his mind.” In Spanish it says “we shouldn’t judge” full stop (kudos to the translators there as the English version still makes out its ok to judge, just not straight away). How can the WTS say this when most body of elders and ALL BETHELS prohibit the wearing of beards, the most personal decision there is?!
 Paragraph 12 asks the question “Does my conscience move me to shun sports that are aggressive, competitive, nationalistic, or violent?” So just going by the “competitive” aspect, that rules out most sports then? I can no longer watch footy because I want my team to win??? I have a word for that: Jokers!
 Then paragraph 13 seems to be implying that going to the gym is wrong or any other sport that doesn’t involve other JWs.
 @Robert67 cada día me gusta más tu razonamiento y me pareces un tío muy legal y comprensivo. La verdad es que muchos SI se han vuelto “perezosos” en sus hábitos de estudio porque la WTS favorece la búsqueda de sus publicaciones en vez de la propia Biblia.
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 Doc Obvious says:

 November 6, 2015 at 1:31 pm
 
Watchtower is what it is. All hat. No cattle.
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 (Sand dollar) says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm
 
My answer if asked to return to Jehovah.
 (I never left.) I still believe in Almighty God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Bible.
 Maybe (YOU) should return. Return to worshiping Almighty God through Jesus Christ instead of a little group of men who have risen up from among you yourselves….drawing men away after themselves. According to them (The Governing Body) Jesus only mediates with them, not the average Witness. Since Jesus is not your mediator then who is? According to the Governing Body, (they are) through an organization. That certainly is twisted things they are saying. The Bible says Jesus is the only mediator between God and men and he gave himself a (ransom for ALL). (1st Timothy 2:5)
 Jesus is the only mediator between God and all mankind, not also through some elite group who have inserted themselves in the salvation process.
 WAKE UP AND COME TO GOD THROUGH JESUS ALONE.
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 Ted says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:24 pm
 
@ Excelsior, Thanks for your support,
@ Ruthlee, Your conciliatory comment is
 greatly appreciated. Like Excelsior you are
 a peacemaker.
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The Friday Column: Doctrine and loyalty is paramount to the Governing Body, whatever the cost
Posted on November 6, 2015

The Governing Body continues to stifle individuality and exert total control
The Governing Body continues to stifle individuality and exert total control

When I was a very young boy, my grandfather died. I don’t know much about his life, aside from the fact that he was a carpenter, a policeman, and a Catholic. He was, in fact, Irish Catholic, and I suspect my father’s family took great pride in their heritage and their faith. It was a disappointment for them that during the pre-1975 years, my father became one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The invasive control that the Jehovah’s Witness organization had over my parents divided our family. At my grandfather’s funeral, all hope of normality was smashed when my father refused to sit with his brothers, instead electing to place himself at the back of the church, with easy access to the nearest exit.
Why would he do this? His decision was decidedly influenced by the March 15 1970 Questions From Readers, which posed the question

“May dedicated Christians attend church funerals of other religious organizations?”
The phrasing of that question in itself diminishes the thinking ability of the reader and transfers control of one’s life to the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The article casts aside the faith of the individual, suggesting that attending a church service places a Jehovah’s Witness in serious danger of violating his Christian conscience.

“Thus there is no need for a Christian to feel obligated to go to a church funeral of another religious organization, where there may be the temptation to give in to pressure and follow the crowd when everyone else is performing some false religious act. Thus also the danger of performing an act of apostasy and displeasing Jehovah God can be avoided.”
Only recently did I come to understand the permanent damage that this caused. For the balance of my childhood and to this day, I never got to know my uncles, my aunt, my cousins, or anyone else in the family. In a sad twist on the words attributed to Jesus below, my extended family became strangers who purportedly worshiped God incorrectly, or so I was led to believe.

“Do you think I came to give peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division” – Luke 12:51
The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses makes no apology for splitting apart families; in fact they summon Jesus’ words to reinforce their divisive policies. Luke chapter 12 continues:

“For from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law”
Undoubtedly, self-imposed estrangement is not the intended meaning behind these expressions, but for the Jehovah’s Witness religion, they mean just one thing:
Blood is not thicker than Watchtower
It has been nearly 40 years since my family was fractured by the policies of this organization. Instead of a softening of rules and regulations, the Governing Body has elected to double down their doctrinal directives, expanding their influence using the power of suggestion and crowd manipulation to achieve control of their flock.
An example of this control is found in the Watchtower of February 2016, study edition. The article “Prove Yourself Loyal to Jehovah” drives readers to the conclusion that loyalty to the suggestions of the Governing Body is equal to loyalty to God.
We encounter Olga, a Jehovah’s Witness wife and mother who has suffered at the hands of her non-JW husband, a man who “abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her.” The Watchtower paints a picture of the stereotypical “worldly” man, a person without redeeming qualities and without Jehovah.
Sadly, his father dies, and Olga agrees to travel with him to another city for the funeral, showing respect for him despite his non-affiliation with Watchtower. But did she truly show this man respect? The article says:

“She waited for her husband at the church door until the ceremony
 ended.”
Without even addressing the subject of attending a church funeral, the Watchtower suggests that a truly faithful Witness of Jehovah would never step foot inside a church. While this statement is not the subject of the article, the powerful suggestion is nonetheless implanted into the reader’s mind, setting a precedent that must be followed.
Just a few paragraphs later, we are reminded of some of the simple pleasures in life that must be abandoned if a person is to be loyal to Jehovah.

“Loyalty to God helped an Australian sister named Alice to decide how much importance to give to other loyalties. When she began studying the Bible, she would tell her family about the good
 things she was learning. Later, Alice told members of her family that she would not be celebrating Christmas with them”
The result?

 “My mother finally said that she disowned me. I was shocked and deeply hurt because I really loved my family.”
This heartbreaking story touches me personally. The endless years of alienation from my family and any sense of celebration and happiness were replaced with piles of Watchtower magazines and books that filled my shelves, but left me empty and depleted.
It is difficult for Jehovah’s Witness children to really understand what is happening to them during the formative years of their life. One by one, normal relationships and activities are eliminated, and Witness children are advised that they must be “no part of the world.”
Another way this happens is by abstaining from school activities, including healthy and stimulating sports and clubs. The Watchtower hammers down this point by stating:

“If we are not careful, loyalty to a nation, a school, or a sports team can eventually choke out loyalty to God. For example, Henry enjoys playing chess. His school had a tradition of winning the
 championship, and he wanted to put forth his best effort. But he admitted: ‘Gradually, loyalty to the school began to take priority over my loyalty to God. Weekend chess matches were crowding
 out my Kingdom service. So I decided to give up being part of the chess team.'”
For most of us who have lived the life of a Witness child, we understand what this means: no extra-curricular activities, no after school sports, nothing that might steer us away from field service and regular attendance at the Kingdom Hall.
 Snitching and shunning
Along with behavior modification, Jehovah’s Witnesses engage in one of the most cruel practices in modern society: shunning. The February 2016 Watchtower advances from suggestive behavior control and graduates to full-fledged punishment of anyone who violates the social customs of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Members are encouraged to spy on one another, and if the guilty party refuses to confess, the elders must be notified.

“Kindness can help you to deal with a conflict of loyalties. For example, you may have definite knowledge that a certain fellow believer is guilty of serious misconduct. You may feel loyal to him,
 especially if he is a close friend or a relative. But if you were to cover up the wrongdoing, you would be disloyal to God. Of course, your loyalty to Jehovah should come first. So like Nathan, be kind yet firm. Urge your friend or relative to seek the help of the elders. If he or she does not do so within a reasonable period of time, loyalty to God should move you to report the matter to the elders.”
In a series of 5 photographs, the Watchtower study article visually demonstrates the process:
1.Observe the social media photo of your friend committing an infraction, such as drinking alcohol at a party where non-Witnesses are present
2.Confront your friend with the photograph
3.Take your tablet to the Kingdom Hall and show the photo to an elder
4.Two elders take your friend into a private room and chastise and counsel her
5.Your friend regains her senses and is soon participating in meetings once again
The five-step snitching process, as shown on pages 28 and 29 of the February 2016 Watchtower
The five-step snitching process, as shown on pages 28 and 29 of the February 2016 Watchtower (click to enlarge)
 
The reality is that seldom does the process occur in this manner, with step number 2 usually bypassed. But the encouragement to police each other within the congregation is very real.
Another disturbing practice is shunning, which is not limited to those who have been disfellowshipped from the JW faith. Simply leaving the organization for personal reasons results in the immediate loss of your complete network of friends. And for those who have been formally disfellowshipped from Jehovah’s Witnesses, there is a total and devastating loss.
A woman might decide that this religion she was baptized into at a very young age was not the correct decision for her. But it is too little, too late to change this decision. The Governing Body has decided that her own daughter is barred from fellowship with her. The bond is severed indefinitely, the punishment is very real.

“A conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped. For example, a sister named Anne received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother. The mother wanted to visit Anne because she felt pained by her isolation from the family. Anne was deeply distressed by the plea and promised to reply by letter. Before writing, she reviewed Bible principles. (1 Cor. 5: 11; 2 John 9-11) Anne wrote and kindly reminded her mother that she had cut herself off from the family by her wrongdoing and unrepentant attitude. “The only way you can relieve your pain is by returning to Jehovah,”Anne wrote”
There is no greater bond than that between a mother and daughter, yet the Watchtower has managed to produce a doctrinal solvent capable of dissolving the closest relationship known to humans.
I know many Jehovah’s Witness mothers who have been reinstated to the organization, superficially believing they have “returned to Jehovah,” when in fact they just wanted their family back. They walk among the congregation with the permanent stigma of judicial discipline, but take comfort that they have traded public humiliation for the ability to speak and associate with their family.
 The Abraham Principle

“Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to kill his son” – Genesis 22:10
Inflicting harm on a son or daughter is a completely foreign concept to any human with a measure of good mental health. Yet according to Jehovah’s Witnesses, the biblical character of Abraham showed the ultimate faith in God when the Almighty required him to stab his son to death on a mountaintop.
Is this really a lesson in faith in God, or could it perhaps be a convenient method of demanding blind obedience?  The Watchtower study article titled “Jehovah Called Him My Friend” suggests that anyone who doubts Abraham’s decision to knife his son is void of faith. The blame is shifted from the perpetrator (God) to the critic:

“There are those who say that God was cruel for asking such a thing of Abraham, and some imply that Abraham’s obedience was blind and unfeeling. They take that position because they have neither the faith nor the understanding of how faith works.”
I never could grasp the sense of this bible tale. Apparently my faith and understanding are just too weak. We are told that Jehovah called out to Abraham and halted the murder just in time. Why didn’t he apply this same life-saving power moments before the planes crashed, or the tsunami hit shore, or the crazed gunman slaughtered those schoolchildren? These are questions we must all ponder for ourselves.
Separation of church and sanity
Looking back on more than 40 years of loyal association with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I truly understand how damaged my family was by this destructive organization. I can finally validate my own feelings, my internal conscience which always told me that these things are insane:
◾Associate only with Jehovah’s Witnesses
◾Stay away from non-JW church services
◾Avoid playing team sports or joining school clubs
◾Spy on your friends and turn them in to the elders
◾Avoid higher education
◾Shun anyone who leaves the organization
◾Never accept a life saving blood transfusion
◾Do not celebrate anyone’s birthday (or any holidays)
◾Believe that God will kill everyone but Jehovah’s Witnesses at Armageddon
The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is increasing its doctrinal control over its members, further blurring the line between religion and personal identity. They have systematically removed individual freedom of mind and conscience and replaced it with a long list of directives, leaving many Witnesses depressed, feeling inadequate, or unable to keep track of the latest “new understanding” of truth.
This is a prison from which you must escape.
If you share the same feelings, please reach out to someone for help. You can do it anonymously and without judgment. Read, watch and learn as much as you can, and separate verifiable truth from the insanity of indoctrination.
Make this the first day of the rest of your life.
You are now free.
 
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34 Responses to The Friday Column: Doctrine and loyalty is paramount to the Governing Body, whatever the cost

 BG says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:03 pm
 
I get the birthday and holiday thing, but they will disfellowship you just for saying you don’t believe in doctrine of theirs and they tell you it is xpressions inspired of demons if you have bad information about the organization or dare to say that the society lied about something! They believe they are living in a spiritual paradise, but let me tell you, my exhusband was a jehovah’s witness and it was no paradise. He was emotionally and mentally abusive.
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 Driving Force says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:16 pm
 
A very well written article, thank you John. I myself was bound for 29 years and it has cost me my marriage.
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 Chiafade says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:34 pm
 
• Believe that God’s kingdom was established in 1914 even though said kingdom has had no significant impact upon mankind in over 100 years.
• Child abuse can be handled internally
• Overlapping generations = generation
These are my honorable mentions of insane things that JWs believe.
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 DavidR says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:49 pm
 
“Child abuse can be handled internally”
I like the way Cedars mentions it, the Watchtower treats these crimes as a sin first, and a crime second.
That is why they will not report someone because regardless of the hours of schooling and thought put into professionals that have concluded that there is a high rate of recidivism especially for child molesters, the power of God’s word and the watchful eyes of the elders will help this person to stop committing this sin. Its sick and really egotistical of them.
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 kofybean says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:36 pm
 
Tell me they didn’t reference Genesis 22:10. “..because they have neither the faith nor the understanding of how faith works.” My word.
 If the GB told a member to kill, would they do it on faith?
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 rob says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:43 pm
 
In my opinion all of the points made in this article are completely valid and mirror the experience which I had as a witness. Not being able to associate with my non witness relatives and not participating in any sports or extra curricular activities was the norm.
As a fader, I am so glad to be free from the wacky prison that is the watchtower. Unfortunately with friends and family still in the witness religion, I feel that I am always on parole, as when I am around them I still need to be careful about what I say. I guess the stigma from this religion will always be in my life but at least I am no longer shackled under the mind numbing routine that used to dictate my life.
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 DavidR says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:45 pm
 
“My mother finally said that she disowned me. I was shocked and deeply hurt because I really loved my family.”
So wait, disowning someone who chooses to follow their heart and worship in a way that seems right to them shouldn’t move family members to disown them? What a concept. Its funny how they put these thoughts right next to an article where they then justify having nothing to do with someone who has left the faith.
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 phoenix_Rising says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:49 pm
 
So true – my mother who is active and I am df’d speaks to me on occasion and has been reconnecting with her non Witness Sister. She asked me “Please don’t inform your aunt that you are df’d and that I am not supposed to talk to you or that I haven’t seen you in several years. I wouldn’t want to discourage her progress or it to impact how she views the organization.” To which I replied “Well if shunning is so loving why be ashamed of it.” to which she had no response. Unreal.
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 DavidR says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:52 pm
 
I’m soo sorry. Its good that she has her priorities in the right place. I will sacrifice my child on the altar of Watchtower, but I don’t want to tell your aunt cause then it will discourage her. I like how “discouraged” became the code for someone getting a realistic view of the organization.
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 RC says:

 November 6, 2015 at 2:53 pm
 
Hi,
 Dont know how accurate my information is but jehovah was one of the gods of the jewish pantheon who was primarily concerned with war. When the jewish religion became monothestic they gave the attributes of another god (EL i think )to jehovah and elevated him to the Creator of the universe. During those times human sacrifice seems to have occured to gods. That story of Abraham trying to sacrifice his son may very well be a hint to those practices.
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 Jim Reaugh says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm
 
I had to read this twice already…and I will likely read it again. It resonates so much with me and my deepest feelings regarding the organization.
 Thank you John, for your candour and honesty. Although the damage is done, you are spot on…we are now free.
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 will says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm
 
Unfortunately, my wife and kids (8 and 11) still go. I faded and I haven’t been to a meeting in well over a year, and I have no intention of going back. My wife knows how much I detest the Watchtower, and religion in general. I try to instill independent thinking in my kids. In fact, I took them work with me the other day and I talked to them about not letting people put boundaries on them, not let anyone tell what they should or should not do with their lives (without mentioning the vile, repulsive Watchtower). My wife loves being a witness, but I do think she disagrees with certain issues (i.e. shunning of children and that dangerous suggestion on staying with an abusive spouse). I remember when I started studying and how the Org was defensive about not breaking up families and how the Family Book and various article “prove” that, but now I see clearly this religious is horrible for families. Great article!!!
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 Scrubmaster says:

 November 6, 2015 at 5:12 pm
 
@Will – Amen. I tell my two kids the same thing. I go occasionally to meetings and assembly days. But I have seen and read way to much in the past few years to truly believe in organize religion anymore.
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 Rowland Nelken says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:27 pm
 
Excellent article. Another reminder of how relatively fortunate I was in that only my inadequate lunatic of a mother was a Jehovah’s Witness. My mother in practice was my grandmother. Nan looked after us children while mum simply waved Awakes and Watchtowers about and spouted all the Brooklyn issued garbage.
For her the JW outfit was a way of reassuring herself that, for all that she could nothing whatever remotely useful, she was, by virtue of being ‘In the Truth’, utterly superior to everyone around her.
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 Edward May says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:35 pm
 
Wonderful article. I’m stepping down as a elder soon. Articles like this give me more encouragement to do what I need to do.
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 Man from the lions pit says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:20 pm
 
I’m encouraged by your expression and intention Ed ! I’m sure you will find more peace for your mind and heart after doing so ! It would be honor to represent this or any org. if it would live up to true Christianity .Unfortunately “we” or our org. failed in big scale and now it’s honorable to step down for any elder or MS who has a speck of real Christan conscience asap ! May god give you strength and peace to do so !
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 Juan Viejo says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:53 pm
 
Excellent article and absolutely true to life. The sad thing is that most converts to Watchtowerism don’t realize that so much is banned or discouraged by the Governing Body. JWs don’t realize that many restrictions they face daily have absolutely no biblical support – or are due to twisted interpretations of non-applicable “cherry-picked” scripture verses that have little or no bearing on our modern day.
Joe Rutherford supposedly revered Pastor Russell and his teachings, but within a span of 20 years reversed practically everything the good “Pastor” taught. Since the 1950s, and again in the 1990s, modern Governing Bodies have deleted or replaced almost everything both Russell and Rutherford taught. And yet they all claimed that both they and their predecessors were “chosen” and “inspired” by Jehovah’s spirit.
I see a time in the not-so-distant future when much of what is taught to JWs today will be either altered or replaced as Governing Body members change. GB members all seem to have a need to leave their own mark on the Society and are willing to replace or rewrite existing teachings that were once the hallmarks and standards that JWs were known for. The Worldwide Church of God went through these very changes in the 1980s and is unrecognizable from its earlier years but still exists along with many long time members. We can already say the same when comparing modern JWs to those in the Rutherford era.
I find it interesting that unlike scientific “theories” that consistently change and move forward as new facts are discovered, JW “truths” seem to be like a roller coaster that goes up, down, around, through switchbacks, and finally off the tracks. Along the way, everyone in their seats holds on for dear life, afraid of being tossed off into the darkness – while all their friends will have to grit their teeth and stay with the train no matter how uncomfortable or endangered they (or their kids) are.
May I respectfully suggest to everyone that they not take that roller coaster ride – or to get off while they still can.
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 3:58 pm
 
It always bothered me too about the account with Abraham, willing to slaughter his son on his “faith” in God’s resurrecting him again like what the Watchtower likes to say. There is nothing in the Bible that indicates that God would resurrect Abraham’s son. Abraham was simply willing to kill his son for on the say so of his God, Jehovah. Faith in the resurrection had nothing to do with it. It was all about loyalty to his God, Jehovah.
Are we to have such loyalty to God that we would kill another person like that on the say so of an invisible God that only we can hear?
If that is the kind of person we are, then we’d be considered nuts by any court in the land today but yet, we are to respect Abraham for having such “loyalty” to his God Jehovah? I think not. The man “son of Sam” killed people by listening to voices too. Lots of people kill other people by listening to voices that only they can hear. They are crazy.
It is so easy to say Abraham was loyal and had faith when it wasn’t he himself that was going to die. Abraham didn’t have much faith in God when he was willing to hand over his wife two times to kings (coward) to save his own skin. I don’t like Abraham much and I can’t figure out why the Jews do to this day either.
Witnesses don’t think of Jehovah as the God who asked the Israelites to sacrifice their sons and daughters in the fire (Jeremiah 7:31) because Jehovah stopped Abraham from stabbing his son to death, but yet if a daughter of a priest was caught in prostitution, she was to be burned in the fire (Lev. 21:9) or if a man bought a girl from her father as a wife to the man and after the man married her, if he accused the girl of not being a virgin when he married her and if the parents couldn’t prove she was a virgin, the men of the city were to stone the girl to death and of course ours is the only Bible that implies that Jephthah didn’t actually burn his daughter as a sacrifice to Jehovah.
If only I was still going to meetings now. There are so many things that I would confront the elders with now that I finally figured it all out.
Before, I bought into the excuse that we just don’t know all the circumstances way back then and of course the excuse “it was a different time and place”.
About ten years ago, I bought into the “keeping the congregation clean” crap and turned in a young brother that I saw smoking but at least I did tell him first and told him that if he didn’t talk to the elders about it, that I would be forced to do it.
Now I would tell the kid to run the other way and never look back. Thankfully, he won’t have anything to do with it anymore. I wished I could talk to him and tell him how sorry I am that I did that to him but at the time, I was convinced that Jehovah would not bless the congregation if it wasn’t “clean”.
How stupid I was then.
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 Caroline says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm
 
I should have put that that account of stoning a girl that couldn’t be proved to be a virgin is at Deuteronomy 22:13-21.
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 Albert says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:19 pm
 
I agree with everything you had to say except for the fact that there is an indication in the Bible that Abraham believed that his son would be resurrected. Granted this was written hundreds of years after Abraham’s death and if you don’t believe in God then all this statement would be is the writers opinion.
Hebrews 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, as good as offered up Isaac, and the man that had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up [his] only-begotten [son], 18 although it had been said to him: “What will be called ‘your seed’ will be through Isaac.” 19 But he reckoned that God was able to raise him up even from the dead; and from there he did receive him also in an illustrative way.
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 ilidio says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:01 pm
 
Your article talks about this date “found in the Watchtower of February 2016, study “”found in the Watchtower of February 2016, study” I dont think we have come to this date yet? Have we?
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 Jane Redwood says:

 November 6, 2015 at 6:53 pm
 
The Watchtower releases the magazines months in advance. The referenced article was released last week and is dated Feb 2016. 😉
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 November 6, 2015 at 4:50 pm
 
Excellent article, so much I could say about this. The part that stood out the most to me though was the five pictures and the whole spy network thing. It’s incredible to me that they don’t extrapolate this principle to include the mandatory reporting of sexual predators – by their own standards they stand condemned. Talk about straining the gnat (not to mention incredulity) and removing the splinter from other eyes with the sexual abuse rafter lodged firmly in their own, not to mention disregarding the weightier matters. If I could change the five pictures to make them more relevant I would do this:
 Picture 1 – A young witness child being sexually abused.
 Picture 2 – That child as a dysfunctional adult, confused, empty, depressed, suicidal, unloved.
 Picture 3 – That same adult finally having the courage to go to the elders and expose their abuser after years of broken relationships, alienation and mental and emotional anguish.
 Picture 4 – The victim having to confront their abuser in the presence of two elders who sympathise with the accused because they deny everything and there is only one witness.
 Picture 5 – The predator sitting at the meeting with the elders and other families with young children, smiling, Watchtower in hand….
If there is any doubt that these men are truly delusional, this Watchtower magazine should dispel that. To think that this is the latest spiritual food – Feb 2016! There is no sign of progress here, quite the opposite. My personal feeling is that as they increasingly lose their grip on reality they feel the need to tighten their grip on everybody else they control.
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 enlightened now says:

 November 6, 2015 at 6:24 pm
 
The problem is when anyone is part of a “high control” religion, personal individual thought that could lead to personal decisions are not only not encouraged but are actively encouraged to be suppressed.
 I remember well many years ago when my husband was an elder and we lived over the road from another elder and their family. It was Guy Fawkes night ( live in the UK) and my husband had decided to take us out to watch fireworks in the nearest town from our car (. Not paying to see an event) and my children had conveyed this information to the other children of the elders family over the road.
 Well all hell was let loose!!!!! The elder had my husband up before the other elders saying how wrong he was in doing this and how “pained and disturbed” his children had been knowing they were not allowed to go and see fireworks because as witnesses we should not be part of a plot to burn down the Houses of Parliament or celebrate Guy Fawkes being burned!!!!!
 My husband was to say the least enraged by the narrowness of the other elder over the road but we all had to comply – like it or not – so no freedom of choice. Eventually my husband stepped down front serving because of total petty mindedness and unreasonableness.
 I stopped going many years later and so did he eventually and although we split up we have both found true peace and happiness being who we truly are – not having to conform completely and constantly to others whims and wishes.
 Thank goodness!!!!!
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 Susan says:

 November 6, 2015 at 6:45 pm
 
Excellent article that unfortunately sums up my childhood as well. The line in the Watchtower from “Anne” whose mother was disfellowshipped annoyed me the most from what the JW organization does: “Anne wrote and kindly reminded her mother that she had cut herself off from the family by her wrongdoing and unrepentant attitude.” What a bunch of garbage. Nobody cuts themselves off from their family by wrongdoing – only a cult would try and justify their despicable behavior in that manner AND try and twist it to make it seem like it is you shunning them. If that were the case, then why was the mother seeking to contact her daughter in the first place? I’m so glad you found your way out of this messed up organization.
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 Join-Stay25Yrs-Leave says:

 November 6, 2015 at 7:14 pm
 
The section on “The Abraham Principle” is spot on. That story and how the WT uses it is perhaps one of the powerful persuasion and control tools uses to condition the rank-and-file.
I, too, always had trouble reconciling the story, until I applied a different key Watchtower principle. That is “The Two Witness Rule.”
I realized that there was no one at the incident portrayed except Abraham and his son! There was no “second witness” to substiate what did or did not take place with that helpless child at the hands of his own father, who was like the Elder of all Elders who would ever exist.
So without that second witness I just cannot form an opinion on that incident, or use it as a basis for understanding anything then or now. It’s just a story. Just another story.
Thanks Watchtower for clearing that up!
😉
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 Markie says:

 November 6, 2015 at 7:29 pm
 
The problem here is that stupid people listen to these guys. I have uncles and cousins that faded away. I never stopped associating with them. My brother and sister got disfellowshiped and I still called them and associated with them. I guys weak people need to be told what to do. As a young boy at the meetings I always thought who are these people telling me what to do. People should follow what they think is best. You don’t need another person telling what to do. I love how they got this new music. One of our new elders who listen to metal music was tapping his foot to the new pioneer song. What a hypocrite. I know he doesn’t really like the music. It was hilarious.
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 Roman Castañeda says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:09 pm
 
I was surprised to hear, in the last convention, the words “Are you still spiritually weak that you need someone to tell you right from wrong? A spiritually strong person can discern for him or herself right from wrong” (something along those lines). I thought how great it would be for the organization to relinquish control over to the congregations and individuals, but sadly it is not the case. The speaker that day spoke truth. “There’s nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so” (W. Shakespeare). Too bad the vast majority, as it seems, are too afraid to think for themselves.
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 Roman Castañeda says:

 November 6, 2015 at 8:01 pm
 
I fear for my nieces and nephews. My brothers and sisters are all too willing to obey every command. I wish I could be there for them, but returning to the meetings and having to sit through mind-numbing misinformation is hard enough as it is while getting the stank eye from those sitting around me. However, for them, I at least want to stay so that, in the events of their awakening, and the result of shunning, they can come to me and know I won’t judge them and I can show them the love they are meant to enjoy unconditionally. I really loved this article. Thank you
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 Darlene Alexander says:

 November 6, 2015 at 9:36 pm
 
Awesome article, John! Where you said, …. feeling inadequate, or unable to keep track of the latest “new understanding” of truth.” OMG, that is so true, the modern JW can’t support their faith anymore. I comment on several fb pages and news pages where JWs are also commenting – they can’t even answer a simple question – or they just cut-and-paste and answer from the WT. They know nothing about the org they claim is the “truth”! You ask them to prove something and they say, “go to jwdotorg”! It’s so pathetic.
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 Garrett says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:22 pm
 
Thanks John for your hard work. Nice writing!
 We are grateful to you.
 G
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 Tommy says:

 November 6, 2015 at 10:51 pm
 
Thank you very much for this article. Profound indeed!
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 just asking says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:06 pm
 
Why do I feel I belong to this kinda reasoning?
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 Willows says:

 November 6, 2015 at 11:25 pm
 
When the Watchtower can extract the rafter in their own eye, then perhaps they will know how to extract the straw in their brothers eye.
From 1879 the Watchtower has printed and taught false dates to followers and the public in their publications. Shown disloyalty to God by running ahead and printing their own ideas only to be proved false in time. Sweeping these matters under the carpet…. If a publisher did what they do showing no repentance they would be judged, disfellowshipped and shunned.
When the Watchtower look at themselves in the mirror, and ask, how many have they disfellowshipped knowing full well they are guilty of sin. The rafter remains in the eye. So history has a way of repeating its self. The merry go round keeps going round and round till you get off and gain peace of mind.
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 KtotheRAD "Konrad" says:

 August 25, 2013 at 6:55 pm
 
With every word they reveal and “impart” far more than they ever intended…
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 george says:

 August 27, 2013 at 4:45 am
 
Sorry Cedars, I can only access the first video on my I pad. There are a lot of over sized play icons and they won’t work.
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 Luke says:

 October 27, 2013 at 5:27 pm
 
Continue the good work on this site that expose what Watchtower Organization really are — a fanatic end-time driven cult that only serve interests of its leaders. I left this
 cult three years ago for good. My only regret is that I had not left the Watchtower Cult earlier! On Easter Sunday this year, I was baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and received into Eastern Orthodox Church, apostolic Church that preserved the Faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.
Cedar, you have my blessings of your work on this site that
 will yet help millions of JWs to see the truth of so-called ‘Truth’.
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 Fred says:

 November 2, 2013 at 12:09 pm
 
Forget taking your numbers from a 1974 yearbook if you question the amount of those killed, interned, etc get the numbers from the Holocaust museum. You forgot to mention the ‘JEWS’ were and its quoted several times in the Watchtower publications as it is related in the bible, “ONCE GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE” but they did not remain that because of their actions. Your quotes from WT publications are based on the latter that they fell out of favour in God’s eyes. They therefor were NOT written in an anti-Semitic nature. Many Jews have become JW’s over the years are they lesser beings because they were of Jewish blood?…ABSOLUTELY NOT! All races are equal so this video in my opinion is twisted in its presentation. Not to mention the ridiculous claim of Rutherford’s so called love letter to Adolf Hitler. No blinders on here, I have checked the facts. Sorry but this video paints an untruthful twist of events and statements about the WT as regards the comments on the Nazi’s and Jews.
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 Palma says:

 February 28, 2014 at 3:48 am
 
Hi everybody! Hi cedars!
 I found this article about a discovery in egypt that brings light to the origin of story of joseph in the bible.
 What do you think?http://www.davidovits.info/the-lost-fresco-and-the-bible-my-new-book-in-french/
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 Idris says:

 March 27, 2014 at 8:12 am
 
Thank you for this page, it has been a great help to me, as I seek the truth of the word of God, however I noticed in the video ‘Does the Bible speak of ‘Paradise Earth’ the speaker quotes Luke 21v43 twice, regarding Jesus word on the cross, there should be a correction note as the verse he mentions is in Luke 23 v 43.
 Keep up the good work
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 Julia Orwell says:

 July 17, 2014 at 3:47 am
 
Been to internationals before and this elaborate souvenir thing is entirely new. The last one I went to in 2009, the last ones they had, had nothing like this so it’s not a matter of you having not noticed it in the past, it’s a matter of it being a new phenomenon.
 I theorize that the wt motives for this involve keeping the masses busy and therefore obedient. Jws would volunteer to do this because there are no other legitimate outlets for creative expression. Armageddon being near has nothing to do with it: it’s about keeping the sheeple busy and happy. Making stupid trinkets is also a team building activity as it involves jws working together, thus reinforcing the herd mentality jws have.
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 frankie fernandez says:

 February 27, 2015 at 4:44 pm
 
dear friends I was baptized in 1974. Thank God I am no longer a member of the WT. Free at last and oh what a relief it is. A member of my former congregation who I considerd my best friend molested a minor. There was a big argument amognst the elders on the judicial committee. One elder who was a maverick, wanted to notify the police. But, instead they followed the instuctions of the society. They kept this crime against the child, hush hush. So as not to tarnish the name of Jehovah. But in reality it was a coverup to protect the wt’s reputation. Meanwhile this poor child that was raped has to carry the heavy burden of a victim for the rest of thier lives without compensation and without justice. While the abuser has remaind a member in good standing. The congregation he is attending now has not been notified that he is a sexual preditor.
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 Kirtley W. Burggraf says:

 March 11, 2015 at 11:16 am
 
Tell me, since governing body members are elected (replacing someone who dies) at what point do do they become “divinely inspired” or “spirit guided”? Were they always thus in the lower ranks or does this just “happen” the moment that they are appointed? What’s Watchtower’s take on this?
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 Alone in MD says:

 March 31, 2015 at 6:00 pm
 
Regards your video on the Memorial Service. I am one of those “non believers” married to a baptized witness. I go to just keep the peace but I’ve made it known that I consider this service one of the worst religious ceremonies that I have ever been to. “Anointed What”. Also it was announced at last years meeting that “this may be the last memorial service”. They are at it again. Thanks for the great videos.
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 frankie fernandez says:

 May 10, 2015 at 9:50 pm
 
IF CHRIST WAS ENTHRONGED IN 1914, WHY ARE THE WITNESES STILL CELEBRATING THE MEMORIAL? CHRIST SAID THAT AFTER HIS ARRIVAL NO ONE WAS TO CELEBRATE THE MEMORIAL .ALSO HE SAID THAT THE DAY OF HIS PRESENSE, IT WILL BE LIKE LIGHTNING FROM ONE POINT OF THE EARTH TO ANOTHER. LIGHTNING TRAVELS AT THE SPEED OF 3500 MILES PER SECOUND. SO IT WILL TRAVEL AROUND THE GLOBE IN LESS THAN A MINUTE. HE ALSO SAID THAT ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM. NOT LIKE THE WTS THAT SAYS WE ARE IN HIS INVISIBLE PRESENSE.
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 pj wilcox says:

 July 31, 2015 at 3:21 am
 
I watched the latest video of the inept elder being questioned by the commission. Who prepared this man for testimony? You all are aware of the dentist who shot Cecil the lion in Kenya? Well his life is over. He is in hiding. What he did ,did not break laws in Kenya and his is in a world of trouble with public sentiment. But this elder being questioned is far worse. He covered deeds that drove people to think of killing themselves. Should he not go into hiding? Is his life over? Has he know conscience? Emotion, caring? You know the answer. Bet ya, damage control is working overtime on this.
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 Adrian says:

 September 8, 2015 at 3:32 am
 
I think the Royal Commission videos demonstrate that fragility of the governance within the WT society. Yes, it’s an Australia branch issue but cross examination only points to the seat of control on which the governing body members sit. Everything starts and stops with the governing body, they set the policy but where are they? Sitting comfortably in NY watching from a distance ready to abdicate any responsibility whatsoever. A governing body governs and leads but I see no leadership I see the followers talking and being bashed around the head with questions, all too easy for the legal team.
However, it might just be me but does anyone else not see the lawyer’s gap in knowledge regarding the fundamental rationale for the WT society policies, they fall back in their comfort zone knowing that they can say ‘well we don’t have the authority to go beyond the bible.’
It’s this gap in knowledge of the legal representatives which the WT society exploit. I mean nobody is going to ask ‘ where actually did this translation come from anyway?’ What were the academic qualifications of the translators? Is there a possibility that you have interpreted things wrongly or even worse, translated things incorrectly? If there’s a possibility that your interpretation on how to deal with modern day child abuse cases in congregations may be flawed, then are you in agreement that your policies could result in lasting harm to victims of abuse? In my view that translation is the ‘elephant in the room’ every scholar knows it’s perverse but no one is holding this cult to account. So easy to say it’s all in the bible but should they really be saying it’s all in the NWT instead?
The WT society in the videos almost give of an innocence as if to say, ‘ but that’s what we understand from the scriptures’, and I think it works in their favor, but a savvy legal representative would do well to tease out the basis for the rendering of certain verses on which doctrine, policy and organisational decisions are based. So far the WT Society appears to be one step ahead because their authority is not a person but a book, which they are ‘only trying to understand and live by’. Expose the origin of the NWT and the basis for so many ridiculous uncaring decisions is called into question.
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