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Robert Ingersoll
Posted by Ficking Chucken on December 6, 2014 at 3:24pm in Theism, Deism, & All Things Religious
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As a long time atheist and free-thinker I am constantly reading about others who have had the temerity to stand up for what they DON'T believe in.  One of the names that keep coming up is that of Robert G. Ingersoll.  The website that carries his name is informative, but I wonder: Does anybody out here in our community know of any documentary or film that focuses on his activism and speeches?  How come it has taken so long for me to hear of him. (Freethinkers; Susan Jacobson (I think))?

His website describes him as the "Most famous American that nobody has heard of."

I would like to know more; anybody got clues for me.






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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 9 hours ago

Felaine, you can get the free Kindle reader download for the computer, & then get your books. You don't need to pay for something that works on the computer & you can adjust your reading preferences that way. I have the Canadian Kindle on my Windows pc as well as my android. It works just fine.
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 Permalink Reply by sk8eycat 9 hours ago

But - but - but....I can't take my PC to bed with me.  That's where I do my most concentrated reading.  (And drop the book on the floor when I fall asleep.)
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 9 hours ago

Oh of course.....the bed thing.
A good reader doesn't come cheap either if you want certain features, & I don't know about refurbished ones.
I have Kobo, but I don't know how to get Kindle books onto Kobo. I use my Kobo Glo in bed as its lightweight, & I can adjust the brightness.
My android tablet works well with Kindle, but its too heavy for one handed reading in bed.
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 Permalink Reply by sk8eycat 9 hours ago

Well, I thank you for the suggestions and advice.  I'm going to check with Sue (my friend in Mission Hills that I cat-sit for sometimes).  She got the Kindle several years ago to take with her on trips (instead of having to pack 10 or more paperbacks), but she hasn't done much traveling this past year, and she just got a hip replacement, so I don't know when she'll hit the road again.  I'll check with her when I know she's not involved with MD appointments and family stuff....or glued to the TV watching a Lakers game.
She is a hoot...and a real friend...ten years older than I am, and 3 times as active.  She prefers books on paper, as do I, but she might let me try her Kindle while she's home recuperating.  (She has a library of mostly mysteries larger than my collection of SF, fantasy, and history books.) I might even turn her on to Ingersoll.  Maybe.  She stopped going to Sunday school at age 7 when they told her that her pets wouldn't go to heaven....smart kid.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 3 hours ago

If you know any of these kids that have all their aps on a phone of some sort, ask them about it. They might figure it out quickly. They love androids, phones, kindles, etc. It's all computer today but the end of it that I'm into is NOT the things I'm advising you of here.
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 9 hours ago

Thanks for the lead Tom, but I just found them on Canadian amazon for nothing.....zero.....nada.....free.....no charge.
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 Permalink Reply by Ficking Chucken 6 hours ago

I just found out about another book written by Susan Jacoby.  Apparently she felt there was enough to write about Ingersoll that in February of 2014 she published "The Great Agnostic: Robert Ingersoll and American Freethought".  After reading her "Freethinkers", which is where I first heard of Ingersoll, this should make for a compelling follow-up.  Hope I can find it at my library.  Too broke to buy it at this time.
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 Permalink Reply by sk8eycat 5 hours ago

I'm in the same situation, and when the Gas co. sucks their monthly fee out of my bank account, I'm going to be overdrawn.  Again.
I wonder if writing to my congressritter will help me find a social worker, and get some Disability added to my Social InSecurity.  (HAH!)  Two cats and a sister who has never been on anybody's payroll (Autistic/Asperger's) are getting on my nerves.
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 5 hours ago

Do you financially support your sister Felaine, or is she on some sort of ''pension''?
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She gets $800 a month "disability" SSI....I did turn over the pool service bill, the TV cable bill (because I use neither) to her.  And lately she's been buying most of the food....because she eats 3 times as much as I do. And blows whatever she has left over on Avon. I think the Avon Lady is the only friend she has....
She is NOT sane, but she's a JeeHoover's Witless, so I can't get a specific diagnosis on  her, or even make her go for therapy.  Asperger's MUST be diagnosed and treated in early childhood anyway, and it's 70 years too late for that.
I pay ALL the other utilities, household maintenance, and I'm still paying off a debt from '09....I put the my hospital (back surgery) co-pay on my Mastercard, and a month or so after that I had to hospitalize a cat, and have her euthanized 3 days later. (Terminal kidney failure)  It was the vet bill that maxed out my card.  I will be done with that in 3 or 4 months, and then I suppose something else will break around here.
When I was still able to work, I did support her.....after Mother died in '93.

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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 5 hours ago

Too bad you can't make her understand that avon is not necessary for life, & I am surprised.....I didn't think cosmetic type things were ''allowed'' with jws. I've never seen any around here who use any of that sort of thing.
Seems odd they have this thing against medical, but they can sure rush into fertility treatments after gawd has made it clear they aren't supposed to have babies. The last ones around here had 7 babies or something & then refused medical care to save their lives.....idiots!
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 4 hours ago

Is there some way of speaking to the avon people about limiting the spending by someone on disability pension?
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Robert Ingersoll
Posted by Ficking Chucken on December 6, 2014 at 3:24pm in Theism, Deism, & All Things Religious
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As a long time atheist and free-thinker I am constantly reading about others who have had the temerity to stand up for what they DON'T believe in.  One of the names that keep coming up is that of Robert G. Ingersoll.  The website that carries his name is informative, but I wonder: Does anybody out here in our community know of any documentary or film that focuses on his activism and speeches?  How come it has taken so long for me to hear of him. (Freethinkers; Susan Jacobson (I think))?

His website describes him as the "Most famous American that nobody has heard of."

I would like to know more; anybody got clues for me.






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I can't talk to her about anything serious, or financial.  She will say I'm being bossy" and pitch a roaring fit.  If she feels like breaking something, her first target will be this computer.
She buys Avon soaps, lotions, candles, and collects the perfume bottles...uses the perfume, too, judging from the levels in the bottles.  And she has always loved nail polish, even though she doesn't grow exceptionally long nails.
I think whatever brain damage causes Asperger's has made her a confused JW....she was glued to the TV when Cosmos #2 was on, and had nothing to say about Neil DeGrasse Tyson's comments about origins and science.  I was employed by KCET when Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" was in production; I was SO excited, and she ignored it completely.
When I had my back surgery, I was SO tempted one night to call her and tell her that I was having 2 units of whole blood with my dinner. But I enjoy shaking people up.
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 4 hours ago

That's why some other way of going around her should be found, like tying her pension up & only getting an allowance since she shouldn't be in charge of money, talking to the avon people, & maybe even the grocery stores, or the pension office. If she won't stand for any diagnosis, then other means should be found to curb her. Do you know anyone bigger, tougher, meaner, with an attitude.........hahahaha??????
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 3 hours ago

There is nothing you can do in a real sense with somebody on a pension and also suffering from mental problems. They simply will not listen to you and spend money like water. I know people on SS that are paid on the 3rd of the month and flat broke less than 2 weeks later. Some of them apparently have no mental problems but are just ignorant.
All of 2014 I have lived on less than $1200 a month and I do it well by giving myself a weekly paycheck. Some people can't figure that out. I am used to being paid weekly (very weakly) so I still am today. Some people think I am a "magic man." Others think I am lying and that I really do have money. If that was so I would not have started working 3 days a week again recently. You just have to know how to handle money.
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 Permalink Reply by Patricia 3 hours ago

We had 3 kids, & purchased our houses on one wage. I never saw the point of having kids & then paying someone else to raise them.
We have no debt & the house has been paid off for several years now. I knitted & sewed almost everything we wore, cook mostly from scratch, & the kids had McDonald's as their birthday treats. I was the family barber/hairdresser.
For entertainment, I'd make pizza & we played cards, board games, or whatever. Once a month or so, my husband would make homemade fish & fries. Occasionally we'd have adult night with beer, a food tray, & no gambling poker or something.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn 3 hours ago

One thing you may try, sk8eycat, is state programs that might pick up the slack because of your lack of money. They might be in your county seat area not far from your court house. If you are having problems Google that idea locally and see what you can come up with. Around here some of them even help you with food.
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