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Most ignorant comments about religion
Posted by Morgan West on August 17, 2014 at 6:49pm in Comedy
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Sometimes people say things that are so dumb that you just need to share. What is the craziest, most ignorant, awful, etc. thing you have ever heard a theist or deist or anyone else say regarding religion?
I'll share first. Today I was talking with a Christian on Experience Project. They were asking me what I believed and whatnot, as Christians tend to do when they discover I am an atheist. I told her I believed the Bible was not true, and was demonstrably false. She asked for an example, so I started with the obvious: Genesis says the Earth is older than the sun, and every other celestial body in the universe. This is obviously false. Her response, "Well I won't argue with you but I believe that whatever the Bible says is true."
I thought maybe she was mistaken about what the Bible said, so to clarify I asked, "So you actually believe that the Earth, plant life, and the atmosphere are all older than the sun and all the other stars?"
Her response, "If the Bible says so then yes."
At that point I just said okay and stopped the conversation. There is nothing that can be said to that level of irrational thinking.
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 Permalink Reply by Future on August 18, 2014 at 9:04am
Joe the Plumber tells this story about his past, where some youth minister opened his eyes about the controversy between science and religion. He said look at your textbook and tell me what you see. Young Joe replied "Earth Science Rev. 3" (or something like that). He says now look at your bible, do you see any revision in the title? He was implying that the bible is so goddamn perfect that it needs no revision. Apparently, they are both unaware that the Judeao Christian scriptures have been revised more times than there are words in the bible. They both need to read some of Bart Ehrman's books.
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 Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tweet on August 18, 2014 at 10:11am

I'll second the Bart Ehrman books.
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 1:58am

Someone needs to learn the difference between "has been revised" and "needs to be revised."
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 Permalink Reply by Future on August 24, 2014 at 10:35am
The point is that if the bible were a text book, it would read something like "Holy Bible - Rev. 5,674,932". Does it still need to be revised? No, it needs to be shit canned altogether.
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 1:05pm

Well, yeah, I'm ignoring the couple thousand interpolations by later Christians with a theological axe to grind, because obviously the Christians are, as well.
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 Permalink Reply by Pat on August 18, 2014 at 9:31am

If you really want some down home, in-your-face, brain dead, ignorant comments about religion and by theists, try Fundies Say the Darndest Things.
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 Permalink Reply by Morgan West on August 18, 2014 at 3:57pm

Oh wow...that is just painful. I can't do it. I can't read any more.
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 5:59pm

Thanks, Pat.
The Fundies who have been saying the end times are near had me worried, until one of those in FSTDT pointed out that I have about five million years.
“The sun shall be turned into darkness, ... before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD” (Acts 2:20 NKJV).
I don't have to get panicky yet.

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 Permalink Reply by Pat on August 19, 2014 at 11:13am

You're welcome, Tom. I guess this means the second coming will be illuminated by batteries only - no solar power.
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on August 19, 2014 at 11:18am

Actually, that's more like five Billion (with a "B") years before the sun burns out ... though this planet will become uninhabitable long before that happens because of changes in the sun's behavior, never mind what homo sapiens is doing to it!
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn on August 19, 2014 at 2:44pm

Another problem  here with second coming is related to "rapture." It all happens  in the twinkling of an  eye. People all over the world are caught up or "missing" all at the same time. How is this possible? If people are caught up in America at 1 PM,  what about people in Australia, or even Russia with so many different time zones. Everyone could set around and watch the events on TV, being so excited that Jesus is leaving Australia and heading our way. WTF? What's going on here? For it to be possible at all it has to be an event that happens outside of time. An event outside of time does not happen. No problem for the christian. They just make it up.
What was really going on here when it was all written? The world was flat and nobody had any idea how big it was or how it functioned. A flat earth would have to same time everywhere all at once because time was the same everywhere.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 2:59pm

"rapture." It all happens  in the twinkling of an  eye. People all over the world are caught up or "missing" all at the same time. How is this possible?... For it to be possible at all it has to be an event that happens outside of time.
Suppose the earth passes into a giant cosmic cloud of hallucinatory gas.  Then we all get "raptured" at the same time, no?
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Sometimes people say things that are so dumb that you just need to share. What is the craziest, most ignorant, awful, etc. thing you have ever heard a theist or deist or anyone else say regarding religion?
I'll share first. Today I was talking with a Christian on Experience Project. They were asking me what I believed and whatnot, as Christians tend to do when they discover I am an atheist. I told her I believed the Bible was not true, and was demonstrably false. She asked for an example, so I started with the obvious: Genesis says the Earth is older than the sun, and every other celestial body in the universe. This is obviously false. Her response, "Well I won't argue with you but I believe that whatever the Bible says is true."
I thought maybe she was mistaken about what the Bible said, so to clarify I asked, "So you actually believe that the Earth, plant life, and the atmosphere are all older than the sun and all the other stars?"
Her response, "If the Bible says so then yes."
At that point I just said okay and stopped the conversation. There is nothing that can be said to that level of irrational thinking.
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 Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tweet on August 18, 2014 at 10:16am

When I was in college, a friend was talking about a report of knives flying through the air at a Satanist coven, and I said I didn't believe the devil. She was really surprised, and I said, "You know I don't believe in God, right?" She said yes, but she figured that meant that I believed in Satan _instead_ of God. It's apparently really hard for believers to get their heads around atheism. It seems like a simple concept, but believers always interpret atheism in "us-versus-them" terms.
On the other hand, here's the most ignorant comment I've heard about religion from the atheist side. Richard Dawkins said that religion could be entirely explained by the meme that one should believe one's elders without question. As if human beings were really that simple.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 18, 2014 at 10:47am

Richard Dawkins said that religion could be entirely explained by the meme that one should believe one's elders without question.
Richard Dawkins opposes childhood indoctrination in religion.  Children can be indoctrinated because it was advantageous in our evolution for children to absorb their parents' training without many questions.  The children who thought for themselves too much, made dumb mistakes and didn't pass on their genes.
It's indeed possible that religion would not exist if there weren't childhood indoctrination in religion.
Dawkins opposes government funding for the faith schools in the UK.
That's the reality behind your assertion so far as I know.
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 Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tweet on August 19, 2014 at 9:42am

Laura, thanks for the background. I'm sure that religion (like most of culture) relies heavily on indoctrination. Christ Stedman recounts a contrary life experience. He was raised with no religion, and then around puberty he found himself longing to belong. He experienced a Jewish Seder and wanted to be Jewish. Then a popular girl at school invited him to a born-again church, so he became born again. (That decision became awkward as he realized he was gay.) Anyway, some people seek out religious community and practice even when not indoctrinated as children. It seems that "religiosity" is a human personality trait that is partially heritable. Some people are predisposed to be more religious than others. And what form this "religiosity" takes depends on the cultural environment.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 9:57am

some people seek out religious community and practice even when not indoctrinated as children
I know.  However it might still be that without childhood indoctrination, religion would not exist, or be very rare.
The reason is that there's positive reinforcement going on.  When children have childhood indoctrination in religion, they go on to indoctrinate their children in religion, and they contribute to the general religiosity in society that even those raised by atheists encounter.
So Dawkins may be correct in what he said.
I appreciate your intelligent and reasonable comments.
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 Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tweet on August 19, 2014 at 10:00am

Thanks.
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 19, 2014 at 11:35am

@Jonathan:

Christ Stedman ... raised with no religion, and then ... found himself longing to belong. He ... wanted to be Jewish. Then ... became born again.
My experience moves me to ask if religiosity accounts for Stedman's longing to belong, his wanting to be Jewish, and then his becoming born again.
Most of us are social beings and we find company in a variety of places: churches, barrooms, workplaces, classrooms, political organizations, hobby clubs, cyberspace, and more. These places and others offer varying amounts of safety or challenge--intellectual, physical, or sexual. Shy people and gregarious people make different choices.
Puberty might account for Stedman's seeking company outside the family in which he grew up. Churches offer more safety and less challenge than barrooms.

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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 11:51am

I joked to someone once that the people streaming out of a church, have had their IQ temporarily lowered :)
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 20, 2014 at 4:30pm

The line "He who carves the Buddha does not worship him" told me that preachers don't believe what they preach; they use what they preach.

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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 19, 2014 at 4:01pm

This is an interesting point. It echoes what Phil Zuckerman said in the great video Joan posted. He said that the one thing religionists do better than we do is community; they have better (I think he meant in both quality and quantity) support systems in place. This stands to reason if you think about it, because people who think for themselves rather than swallow a party line are relatively few and far between, and probably less likely to be joiners.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 18, 2014 at 10:49am

here's the most ignorant comment I've heard about religion from the atheist side.
Yeah, in the name of humility, what are some dumb atheist comments?

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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 1:14pm

Hm-mm, Friedrich Neitzsche said xianity is slave morality.
During my twelve years in Catholic schools I heard frequent praise for humility, and for a while I believed what I'd heard.
I became politically active and soon agreed with Neitzsche: humility really is for slaves.
A few weeks ago I was elected president of a small club. One of my tasks now is to sell the club's other members on the virtues of humility.
If they impeach me, folks here will be among the first to know.
If they assassinate me, months might pass before anyone here wonders where I am.

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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 18, 2014 at 2:34pm

OK, in the name of superiority, what are some dumb atheist comments?
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Sometimes people say things that are so dumb that you just need to share. What is the craziest, most ignorant, awful, etc. thing you have ever heard a theist or deist or anyone else say regarding religion?
I'll share first. Today I was talking with a Christian on Experience Project. They were asking me what I believed and whatnot, as Christians tend to do when they discover I am an atheist. I told her I believed the Bible was not true, and was demonstrably false. She asked for an example, so I started with the obvious: Genesis says the Earth is older than the sun, and every other celestial body in the universe. This is obviously false. Her response, "Well I won't argue with you but I believe that whatever the Bible says is true."
I thought maybe she was mistaken about what the Bible said, so to clarify I asked, "So you actually believe that the Earth, plant life, and the atmosphere are all older than the sun and all the other stars?"
Her response, "If the Bible says so then yes."
At that point I just said okay and stopped the conversation. There is nothing that can be said to that level of irrational thinking.
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 5:14pm

Luara, why did I KNOW you would leap to the opposite extreme?
I did almost add a caution that a middle exists, but decided to wait and see.
Sam Hayakawa -- semantics professor, Cal State Univ at SF Provost(?), US Senator -- in a 1960s book on semantics said binary thinking indicates stress.
Paraphrasing Julius Caesar -- I waited, I saw, I won.
Don't you just hate what I write?

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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 18, 2014 at 6:26pm

I guess you're not into answering my question.
What are some dumb atheist comments about religion?  Anyone?

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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 7:37pm

Ah, without the humility/superiority stuff.
The dumbest atheist comments about religion were those I heard at a meeting of the Univ. of Florida Student Atheist Club in 1957.
I was quitting Catholicism but I had studied the usual college algebra and calculus and entered the College of Engineering. Ordinary differential equations, mathematical statistics, and numerical analysis were in my future.
At the Atheist Club I heard people express, not their belief, but their confident knowledge that no gods existed.
"Where's your evidence?" I thought.
They provided none and I concluded that they had a religion no more valid than Catholicism.
And so, agnosticism satisfied me.
After I graduated with a math major, I realized that doing the work of proving my conclusions had been a remedy for the mental damage done by twelve years of being told to just believe.
Twenty years passed before I gave atheism more attention. I was living in San Francisco and decided to hear Madelyn Murray at the American Atheists Convention.
I wanted to know more about the woman whose efforts had resulted in the US Supreme Court's taking mandated prayer from public schools.
Her speech -- its emotionality, not its reasoning -- persuaded me that she needed religion because it gave purpose to her life.
Another 25 years would pass before I would have a chance to come from my closet as an atheist or remain in it as an agnostic. I chose to come out.
As a movement, Atheism has matured. It now recognizes agnosticism. Some atheists are at war with the religions they had been force-fed. It's a war they have to fight. I hope they win.
And now, Luara, you have my nominee for the dumbest atheist comment about religion: certainty without evidence, which so resembles faith.
(Like BB cosmology.)

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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 18, 2014 at 7:36pm

Here's a great theme for your first humility lecture. Nietzsche said Objection, evasion, joyous distrust, and love of irony are signs of health; everything absolute belongs to pathology.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 3:32am

I guess Nietzsche didn't like math then ;)
But a lot of absolute statements are false.  I don't know that they're pathological, but false.
And why is evasion a sign of health?  Was Nietzsche evasive?
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 5:02am

When I said "in the name of humility" I meant by "humility" a recognition of how little one knows, a recognition of one's fallibility, a sense of one's own biases.
Such humility is crucial for wisdom.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
- Bertrand Russell
I often hear absolute declarations from religious people "Natural laws imply a Law-Giver", etc.  They show a terrible lack of humility and wisdom.  Or maybe it's just a socially-conditioned lack of sanity.
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 19, 2014 at 12:44pm

Luara, it's so funny you brought up that Russell quote. Just this week an old college friend quoted it to me exactly. H.L. Mencken put if very directly too: It is the dull man who is always sure, and the sure man who is always dull." For mathematics, there's a fundamental split in belief between Platonists and formalists. Platonists believe that objects of math (triangles, levels of infinity, etc.) are "out there" in some basic sense, just like Plato's forms are supposed to be, and that progress in math is "discovering" them.. Formalists believe none of it is 'out there," and that we're inventing it as we go along. Nietzsche's statement means he's a formalist. (In fact he's sort of a god-father of formalism.) As far as the pathological label is concerned, N believed that any belief in any "higher" truth than the physical world of the senses (especially a la christianity) is a "poisonous" misapprehension perpetrated on the entire history of Western thought by Plato. This is unrelated, but N was a philologist, and one of my favorite cracks of his is this: It is a curious thing that god learned Greek when he wished to turn author--and that he did not learn it better.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 1:11pm

it's so funny you brought up that Russell quote.
So true, huh?  Smart people can intuit other possible answers, and they have more idea of what's required to prove something.
I like the mathematical universe hypothesis, which assumes mathematical Platonism.
The idea is, roughly, that our universe is a kind of mathematics that has become conscious.  Our universe "exists" because it has conscious beings in it.
Our universe is more like running a computer program, but perhaps running a computer program could be considered a kind of mathematics (?)
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 12:44pm

@Jonathan:

Richard Dawkins said that religion could be entirely explained by the meme that one should believe one's elders without question. As if human beings were really that simple.
Dawkins does occasionally show some tone-deafness. He shows it again when he says his meme entirely explains religion.
Many children looked at their world and did question what their elders had said.
Change happened, and child-like simplicity became fatal to survival.
Change is still happening and child-like simplicity can still be fatal.

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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 18, 2014 at 6:29pm

He shows it again when he says his meme entirely explains religion.
Where did Dawkins say this?
It seems likely that religion would not exist if there were no childhood indoctrination in religion.
But that doesn't "explain religion".
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 8:37pm

Luara, the line is from an earlier post by Jonathan. Find his post and ask him.

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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 9:02pm

Luara, to quote text from an earlier post by another:
1. type the other's name into your reply,
2. copy and paste the text into your reply,
3. type a few words after it (or what you add will be italicized too),
4. select the quote, and then
5. click on the quote mark in the bar menu over your reply.
If you will do that, people will know what you quoted and what you wrote.

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Sometimes people say things that are so dumb that you just need to share. What is the craziest, most ignorant, awful, etc. thing you have ever heard a theist or deist or anyone else say regarding religion?
I'll share first. Today I was talking with a Christian on Experience Project. They were asking me what I believed and whatnot, as Christians tend to do when they discover I am an atheist. I told her I believed the Bible was not true, and was demonstrably false. She asked for an example, so I started with the obvious: Genesis says the Earth is older than the sun, and every other celestial body in the universe. This is obviously false. Her response, "Well I won't argue with you but I believe that whatever the Bible says is true."
I thought maybe she was mistaken about what the Bible said, so to clarify I asked, "So you actually believe that the Earth, plant life, and the atmosphere are all older than the sun and all the other stars?"
Her response, "If the Bible says so then yes."
At that point I just said okay and stopped the conversation. There is nothing that can be said to that level of irrational thinking.
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 18, 2014 at 7:38pm

Your stupid religious comment is a great one. I've always felt that satanists are just extra-stupid christians.
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 8:42pm

Bertold, I met a few Satanists in San Francisco and saw them as people who are giving xians a custom-designed finger.

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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 19, 2014 at 1:47pm

You're definitely right about that Tom. I love the ones who are coming back on the Hobby Lobby decision. My comment was about sincere satanists who take it seriously.
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 2:07am

Most satanists are atheists who are trolling.  There might be a few who actually believe it as a religion, but I think they're pretty rare.
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 Permalink Reply by Jessica Chen on August 18, 2014 at 11:31am

Christians saying the slavery/rape/sexist stuff in the Bible no longer apply in modern times (and people don't follow it).

Thing is, fact that it's in the Bible, the so called word of god, in the first place...how can you even believe in a god who approves of slavery and rape and is freaking sexist???
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 5:26pm

The ancients who wrote the Bible described the world that benefited them.
Slavery made them wealthy and they treated women as sex slaves.
They wanted that world to endure so their children would also do well. They were conservatives. They were their world's 1%.

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 Permalink Reply by Plinius on August 21, 2014 at 4:17am

MALE children
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 21, 2014 at 5:14am

You're right, Plinius; the ancients wanted their male children to do well.

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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 2:09am

Well, yeah.  Which other ones were they expected to care about?  Adam's daughters weren't worth mentioning, after all.
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 Permalink Reply by eric stone 15 hours ago

What's the evidence it no longer applies?  And if it no longer does, does this mean that the millions they converted back in those days were duped into believing in a false religion?  And if they were tricked back then, does this release all their descendants from an obligation to continue to follow the religion now?
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 12:07pm

The "dumbness" of remarks by xians depends partly on the source.
For instance, I expect high school teachers to be a little bit learned.
About ten years ago I met a retired history teacher and looked forward to some discussion with her.
Before we had any time to chat, she told me that the people whose names are on the buybull's various books were secretaries who wrote what her god dictated.
That ended my wanting to ask her anything that would require some thinking. Until she died several years later she seemed okay with my saying only "Hi" when we happened to meet.

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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 18, 2014 at 7:20pm

My nomination for the dumbest comment about religion ever (and I've heard some doozies) is Ken Ham's recent declaration that if we ever do confirm that there are extra-terrestrial life forms, they're all going to hell.
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Sometimes people say things that are so dumb that you just need to share. What is the craziest, most ignorant, awful, etc. thing you have ever heard a theist or deist or anyone else say regarding religion?
I'll share first. Today I was talking with a Christian on Experience Project. They were asking me what I believed and whatnot, as Christians tend to do when they discover I am an atheist. I told her I believed the Bible was not true, and was demonstrably false. She asked for an example, so I started with the obvious: Genesis says the Earth is older than the sun, and every other celestial body in the universe. This is obviously false. Her response, "Well I won't argue with you but I believe that whatever the Bible says is true."
I thought maybe she was mistaken about what the Bible said, so to clarify I asked, "So you actually believe that the Earth, plant life, and the atmosphere are all older than the sun and all the other stars?"
Her response, "If the Bible says so then yes."
At that point I just said okay and stopped the conversation. There is nothing that can be said to that level of irrational thinking.
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 18, 2014 at 8:52pm

For the dumbest comment by a religionist about religion, that comment by Ham gets my vote.

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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 3:42am

if we ever do confirm that there are extra-terrestrial life forms, they're all going to hell.
Not dumb really ...
But actually very funny.  With the right timing - impressive and awe-inspiring on the first half.  So you're thinking "oh wow!"  and trying to imagine these incredible aliens.  Then the dogmatic snarl "they're all going to hell".

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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on August 21, 2014 at 7:10am

Add to that the fact that these same aliens are sophisticated enough to traverse interstellar space to reach us.  If they can do THAT, do you suppose they're going to be frightened by some unproven afterlife?
Personally, I'm dubious!
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 2:11am

Well, learnin' is of the Dev'l, after all.  They had to learn quite a bit to be able to build those space ships.
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 Permalink Reply by Larry Taylor on August 18, 2014 at 9:28pm
I work with intellectually disabled adults and children. So many of my clients' parents (overwhelmingly catholic) tell me god is punishing them for an unknown wrong they committed in the past. I want to tell them, "your imaginary god isn't merciful, he's a cruel piss ant despot. Your god only exists in your uneducated little head!" But, I can't, unless I want early, forced retirement.
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 Permalink Reply by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 4:53am

One thing Richard Dawkins said, completely went thunk for me.   He said something like "with all the incredible hugeness of the universe, the idea that human beings could be important to a divinity doesn't make any sense".
I thought - but the human beings are intelligent and conscious!  What is any amount of gas and rock and dust and radiation, to that???  The development of thinking minds and consciousness is a kind of transcendence arising in the universe, besides which any hugeness of gas and dust pales.
And we don't know if there's any other intelligent life in the universe.  Intelligent life is rare in the universe, but just how rare, we don't know.
And some version of a multiverse seems likely ...  If so, OUR kind of universe, where intelligent life can arise, may be VERY VERY rare in the multiverse
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 Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tweet on August 19, 2014 at 9:52am

@Laura, "The development of thinking minds and consciousness is a kind of transcendence arising in the universe, besides which any hugeness of gas and dust pales."
Amen. Life is miraculous, and thinking life is doubly miraculous. Figuratively speaking, of course.
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 2:13am

Now, can we get rid of this "The Bible says that Pi = 3 crap," while we're at it?
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn on August 19, 2014 at 10:33am

One dumb thing I have heard (and keep on hearing) by Christians is that slavery in the bible was really just "indentured servitude." Really? I'm glad to know this because now I understand why the bible says not to beat the slaves too much, and not to beat them to death.
Our dear Christians are getting slavery confused with a man working for a girl's father for a time in order  to marry her. This type of agreement is not slavery.
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on August 19, 2014 at 11:01am

I am tired of living in a world where we stupidly sit by and allow people to pretend to have the moral high ground when they are advocating and making excuses for moral absurdities and atrocities.
-- Matt Dillahunty, host of "The Atheist Experience"
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 Permalink Reply by tom sarbeck on August 19, 2014 at 1:20pm

I want Matt to speak for himself. He could have said
"I am tired of living in a world where I stupidly sit by and...."

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Most ignorant comments about religion
Posted by Morgan West on August 17, 2014 at 6:49pm in Comedy
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Sometimes people say things that are so dumb that you just need to share. What is the craziest, most ignorant, awful, etc. thing you have ever heard a theist or deist or anyone else say regarding religion?
I'll share first. Today I was talking with a Christian on Experience Project. They were asking me what I believed and whatnot, as Christians tend to do when they discover I am an atheist. I told her I believed the Bible was not true, and was demonstrably false. She asked for an example, so I started with the obvious: Genesis says the Earth is older than the sun, and every other celestial body in the universe. This is obviously false. Her response, "Well I won't argue with you but I believe that whatever the Bible says is true."
I thought maybe she was mistaken about what the Bible said, so to clarify I asked, "So you actually believe that the Earth, plant life, and the atmosphere are all older than the sun and all the other stars?"
Her response, "If the Bible says so then yes."
At that point I just said okay and stopped the conversation. There is nothing that can be said to that level of irrational thinking.
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 Permalink Reply by Morgan West on August 19, 2014 at 5:11pm

I hate that too. I used to say that myself, just parrotting what apologists said. But there are such obvious examples of Isrealites just marching into any city they want, destroying it, and keeping the survivors as slaves.
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 Permalink Reply by Joan Denoo on August 23, 2014 at 10:45pm

This statement, heard by countless women over the centuries, and I heard it told to my mother, grandmother and I heard it, I heard it from my students in my college classrooms "When you are being beaten, you are living your life in imitation of the crucified christ, of all women, you are most blessed. Rejoice in your crucifixion."
I have overcome those lies, big time. What gets me down is when a woman comes to me now and asks if she really has to submit to beatings.
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 1:55am

Hmm, are we counting YouTube comments?  You can find vile and stupid statements of any flavor you would like, in those.

In person, most of what I've encountered is more of the creationist flavor, rather than the simply theistic/deistic.  Any of the most idiotic things you've ever heard from Kent or Eric Hovind, I've heard parroted by assorted believers.  I seem to trigger a lot of religious discussions, while out and about.
The big one that's jumping out at me right now, as I try to remember a few, is the classic, "If humans came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys?"  Some people use that statement for something other than mocking creationists, apparently.
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 Permalink Reply by Michael Penn on August 24, 2014 at 3:54am

If mankind was created from the ground, why is there still dirt?
Some people just don't understand that monkey argument do they?
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 5:31am

Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.  I'm not so sure that the dirt argument will be convincing to Christians, but I like it.

The monkey bit comes from a very flawed understanding of evolution.  Strangely, most creationists have never had any real education in evolutionary theory, except for the bullshit versions described by their fundamentalist preachers.
They get the part about species changing into a species that's a bit different, over time, but they're completely unaware of the concept of speciation events.  They seem to think that there is the same exact number of species at all times.  Somehow, the idea of one species evolving into two distinct species never occurs to them, because they haven't had any real education on the subject.  If you talk about geographic separation and ring species, you'll just get a blank look, usually.

And it's not that there's an actually valid monkey-argument that they're perverting in some way.  Some creationist way back when heard that one species changes into a different species, and monkeys/apes changed into humans, so therefore ...
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 Permalink Reply by Loren Miller on August 24, 2014 at 6:16am

Americans came from Europe ... so why are there still Europeans?!? 
CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS! [groan!]
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 Permalink Reply by Joseph P on August 24, 2014 at 1:02pm

Thank you for thoroughly demonstrating that humans did not evolve from Europeans, Loren.
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 Permalink Reply by Bertold Brautigan on August 24, 2014 at 1:10pm

Milk comes from cows. Why are there still cows?????
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 Permalink Reply by Dyslexic's DOG 13 hours ago

True Morgan, in that there is no place to go in that argument.
As belief is non-committal, it is not a position of any firm knowledge.
If they had stated that they know that the Bible is right, then they are open to being attacked on the grounds of how do you know?  Or, where is the evidence?
But, I've often entered with a, why do you believe? 
They so often will come up with entirely circular responses.
◾Because I believe the Bible to be true.
◾I don't think the Bible writers would lie.
◾Because most Christians believe this.
They seem to avoid making a position of knowledge, and also consider belief as being higher than knowledge, which often amuses moi.
It appears to be okay to attack scientific or ethical knowledge, but to attack people's beliefs is evil.
I have a Christian friend who hates my derision of Christian and Islamic beliefs, to him, people's beliefs are sacrosanct.
After over 30 years of debating theists my response to my friend was, and also my response to yours would be.
I only believe in that which has evidence of truth, and since there is no evidence for the Earth being older than the Sun,  I can only assume that the Bible is wrong, until there is evidence otherwise. Such evidence is highly unlikely.
My friend was angry and responded by attacking me for not allowing for individual freedom of thought.
But, I responded with: Well, if you want people to blunder through life, believing in wrong things that can get them into trouble and cause personal hardship and ridicule, then so be it.
I, have a higher respect for people and believe that the more they check their beliefs for value and learn how to make truthful and more accurate decisions, the better.
He hasn't responded to that and now avoids talking about beliefs altogether.
Though I did hear from his wife that he thinks I'm a smartass.
That's because he hasn't won an argument about anything yet.
He's never been a rational person, thus his theism.
Though the actual subject with my friend was slavery in Egypt, of which there is no evidence for, and that the buildings in Egypt were built by devout to the king Egyptians and were treated very well.  Which demonstrates Exodus to be False, so if you substitute the age of the Earth and Sun with Exodus was wrong about Moses freeing Israelite slaves, you will have my debate with my friend.

:-D~


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