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The Worst Convention Ever – Part 1: Shunning
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Posted on June 2, 2016
 
worst1articleThis summer millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide will flock to their regional conventions, a much-anticipated event in the JW calendar.
Local newspapers are already lining up to write articles lauding the influx of Witnesses at sports venues and convention centers. Conventions are typically a big money-spinner for local businesses, so journalists are often compelled to write favorably about these events.

“It’s a weekend to learn. In that sense, each day is less like a church service and more like an educational symposium,” opines Chelsea Davis at the Missoulian.
“The city has estimated that each of the three conventions can generate as much as $1.5 million worth of economic activity in Cornwall and area,” enthuses Todd Hambleton for the Cornwall Standard-Freeholder.
“Jehovah’s Witnesses strive to adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced,” gushes a commendably-unnamed correspondent at South Coast Today.
Every year, flattering pieces like this overlook the more sinister underpinnings of Witness conventions, which amount to little more than indoctrination rallies orchestrated by the New York-based Watch Tower Society and its Governing Body leadership.
Usually the coercive element of these gatherings is harder to spot for an undiscerning local journalist who simply wants to push out a favorable review that will sail past his editor and keep the pay-checks rolling in. But this year, there really are no excuses.
Firstly, it’s difficult to imagine a theme that is more Orwellian: “Remain Loyal to Jehovah.” Precisely how is anyone supposed to relate to this circle-the-wagons rhetoric who hasn’t been indoctrinated into equating Watchtower with God’s one true organization on earth today? How do you “remain loyal” to something to which you haven’t pledged allegiance?
Secondly, and most crucially, any remotely switched-on journalist who sits through one or more of the string of highly-manipulative videos being shown at this year’s convention should be struck by the blatant coercion and fear-mongering as though they’ve been clobbered in the face by a wet halibut.
And for the most disturbing example of this jaw-dropping video propaganda, we need look no further than a series of three appalling videos that should come with a parental warning and be titled: “How to shun your daughter for 15 years just for sleeping with someone to whom she isn’t married.”
(Below is my video rebuttal to the shunning videos, as well as one of the convention talks of the symposium in which they are shown…)

We are introduced to Sonja, a girl raised by devout Witness parents, who reaches a crossroads in her teenage years when a childhood of indoctrination begins to conflict with her burgeoning individuality. Feelings of uncertainty about her beliefs are suppressed, as she goes through the motions simply to satisfy her parents – something many raised as Witnesses will relate to.
Since even masturbation is off the menu for Jehovah’s Witnesses (despite not a single scripture in the bible supporting this prohibition) it’s no real surprise when years of sexual repression climax in a night of carnal abandon involving Sonja and a work colleague in a hotel room. Sonja initially experiences pangs of guilt, but later correctly accepts that sex is something that happens when two people are in love.
At this point, Sonja’s boyfriend Eric is jettisoned from further participation in the drama. All we know is that he was kind and attentive to Sonja, and that her love for him was reciprocated.
As far as Watchtower is concerned, Eric is an imposter who was instrumental in a Witness youth falling from grace. Any good intentions he may have had toward Sonja are irrelevant in the eyes of the filmmakers. What matters is that he is NOT a Jehovah’s Witness, and therefore should have no place in Sonja’s life. De-humanized, and with his work done, Eric exits stage left so that Sonja’s story can continue.
How Sonja’s elders come to learn of her forbidden romance is not depicted. Instead, we are taken straight to the meeting where Sonja is announced as disfellowshipped. Immediately the focus is on Sonja’s parents, and how her actions have “crushed” them. Sonja is further cast as the villain when she is shown acting obstinately, arms folded, when her father delivers the news that she needs to leave home.
A more accurate depiction of the scenario would show an errant teenager, traumatized by his or her impending estrangement from the family, pleading with their indoctrinated father or mother to show mercy and reconnect with their parental instincts. But to fit with Watchtower’s “blame the victim” message, Sonja must be a scowling, defiant brat who anyone would be glad to see the back of.
Sonja is portrayed as a scowling, indignant teen who anyone would be glad to be rid of
Sonja is portrayed as a scowling, indignant teen
 
Divine execution
With Sonja ejected from the family home, her ‘victims’ gather on the sofa to read an Old Testament account that will make them feel better about abandoning their child. The bible passage describes Aaron being instructed, on pain of death, to not mourn his sons Nadab and Abihu who have been executed by God with fire from heaven. Sonja’s parents resolve to use this account as a blueprint for purging their emotions and pretending Sonja is dead.
This is not the first time the Nadab and Abihu story has been invoked by Watchtower to order parents not to grieve the loss of their shunned children, as should be evident from the following quote from the July 15, 2011 Watchtower study edition (the same magazine issue in which apostates are described as “mentally diseased”)…
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Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to purge their emotions, as Aaron was commanded to do on pain of death
Jehovah’s Witness parents are expected to purge their emotions when shunning, as Aaron was commanded to do on pain of death
 
It isn’t long before Sonja’s parents get the chance to put their instructions into practice. Sonja is shown calling her parents’ cellphone, which begins ringing on the kitchen worktop. Her mother checks to see who is calling. On noticing Sonja’s number, she refuses to pick up.
For all we know, Sonja could have been stranded by the roadside, or in the process of being attacked, robbed, raped or murdered – but paramount in her parents’ minds is the need to show loyalty to Watchtower by pretending she no longer exists.
Sonja tells the audience that her parents did the right thing by refusing to pick up, and quotes almost verbatim from an experience printed in a 2013 Watchtower in which a once-disfellowshipped man named Robert praises his parents for not giving him the “small dose” of contact he needed that might have delayed his decision to return. Family contact, apparently, is some kind of illicit drug, and depriving disfellowshipped children of it is the humane, loving thing to do.
Watchtower is virtually holding its hands up and saying: “We expect parents to emotionally blackmail their disfellowshipped kids. If they end up returning just to end the shunning rather than because they genuinely believe the religion, at least the ends justify the means.”
In the final instalment of the shunning trilogy, after 15 years of being shunned (a punishment apparently entirely deserved after sleeping with someone), Sonja is depicted getting reinstated. Finally reunited with her family, Sonja is engulfed in a tide of post-meeting love-bombing by congregation members who now shower her with conditional love.
Not shown are the months of humiliating attendance of meetings at which she is required to sit in disgrace on the last rows of the seats while literally an entire congregation shuns her. Only by doing this can disfellowshipped Witnesses get back into Watchtower’s good books, and even then it isn’t always that simple.
In my rebuttal video (above), I give one tragic example in which a disfellowshipped Witness named Kaatje was repeatedly refused reinstatement due to her chronic depression. Her brother Bjorn is convinced that this treatment by elders directly contributed to her eventual suicide. (My interview with him will feature in a future video on the “John Cedars” YouTube channel.)
Kaatje and Bjorn in happier times
Kaatje and Bjorn in happier times
 
Sadly, Kaatje is just one of many who have paid the ultimate price for Watchtower’s extreme shunning policy, which its own literature once described as “altogether foreign to bible teachings.”
The media black-out
Even more tragic is the grim reality that there is no end in sight to this abhorrent treatment, at least while the media in general resolutely refuses to give Watchtower’s brand of shunning the scrutiny and criticism it deserves. True, Rawstory has wasted little time in describing one of the shunning videos as “disturbing,” but so far it is a lone voice.
Rather than the inevitable avalanche of puff pieces heralding the “Remain Loyal To Jehovah” convention as a commercial success, we should be seeing Sonja’s face in multiple newspapers, magazines and blogs as her foul treatment at the behest of a cruel cult is rightly condemned. It should be made perfectly clear that, in the 21st Century, such blatant manipulation and coercion by religious leaders aimed at breaking up families is intolerable, and certainly should not be endorsed through tax exemptions and even charitable status.
Perhaps the only way we can ever live to see public opinion close the gap on Watchtower is by doing what we can to give this dreadful material the exposure it deserves in whatever way possible. For that reason, I would urge all of you to share this video and article on social media (if you are able), as well as the videos and articles that will follow in this #worstconventionever series.
It may be that our efforts to get the media to take notice amount to little more than a phone call that goes unanswered, but at least by trying we honour the memory of those like Kaatje who paid the ultimate price for Watchtower’s barbarity. I can think of few better reasons to share a hashtag.
 
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This is the first in a series of six articles examining various features of the Remain Loyal to Jehovah convention of 2016. To read leaked transcripts and videos from the convention, please click here.

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 Doc Obvious says:

 June 2, 2016 at 5:54 am
 
The governments need to institute conditions on religions that they need to be obedient to. If one of the conditions are not met, the government needs to remove them as a recognized religion in the country. Essentially removing their tax-exempt status and any rights that they might have had. Then, once a religion has met the conditions, the government should validate all conditions and through a period of testing for fitness and reinstate them as a recognized religion.
In this way, Watchtower can experience how it feels to be emotionally blackmailed.
I believe one of these conditions, is the illegality of shunning, in any form.
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 JBob says:

 June 2, 2016 at 7:49 am
 
@DocObv – That sounds like the ideal solution, but being former JW mindset also means I have become more enlightened about individual liberties and freedoms. Corporations have been penalized in civil courts to the point these embrace respect for the individual and diversity/inclusion, yet religions (not only Witnesses) have not had this penalty levied as yet. Religious choice and practices are one of the “golden calves” provided in the USA and many imitators of its form of government.
JW’s are not alone in “shunning” and exiling former members. Amish and Mennonites also “shun” and Mormon communities can also exhibit harsh exclusion practices when someone turns counter to the belief systems.
Some religions still practice racism as a tenet. As long as that believe is docile (no arms accumulated for a race war, nor lynchings), the group has a peaceful existence. However, the tendency is that these groups given a “pass” on some basic human rights always cross a legal and moral boundary.
As we saw with Branch Davidians who foray into arms accumulation ended in fiery chaos, Ruby Ridge, etc. so too the Watchtower is digging its own fiery bunker end with a litany of child molestation and adult rape cover-ups. I also have heard rumors that there could be another layer of this coming if Branch and Bethel sexual harassment and assaults become public (example: prurient talk, jokes or questions directed to young, naive and intimidated young men or women with no explicit corporate policies against or avenues for bringing a concern without fear of retaliation).
The Watchtower possibly might not end, but its walls of seeming infallibility and tenability would crumble and a long nightmare of feudalism would end.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 2, 2016 at 1:34 pm
 
It always a difficult situation when it comes to government regulation of religion. Most democratic governments have a laissez faire attitude when it comes to religion. But I think we could see some progress around certain actions perpetuated by a specific group, such as harassment and intimidation. If it can be proven in a court of law that shunning and other similar practices are a form of harassment and intimidation, then there may perhaps be grounds for litigation or legislation against groups promoting such behavior. But it’s a tricky thing to hold a specific group or organization accountable for.
WS
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 Doc Obvious says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:05 am
 
American companies are held accountable when there is sexual harassment in their company. The company’s C-Level execs abhor sexual harassment in the workplace. However, the employees themselves may think differently. Just as the GB abhor Child Sexual Abuse. However, their people think differently on the matter. That is why the government holds the company responsible for sexual harassment. The government needs to hold the religion responsible if they know of Child Sexual Abuse. As far as shunning, I feel that it is a form of bullying. If you have shunning and Child Sexual Abuse, you have a deadly combination. Shunning magnifies the real problem. This is where the government needs to have certain standards and laws in place to have a checks-and-balances system with religions. When there is no checks-and-balances you have a permissive entity that thinks they can do whatever they want.
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 chatpal says:

 June 2, 2016 at 6:21 am
 
two observations I had while watching the wt clips, how nice of a home was that they used for the couple [and later family], who was supposedly missionaries, while just recently suggesting that persons with such a home, give it up to spend more time slaving for the org. how on earth does one go from ‘full time servant’ to having a home like that one that the girl ‘left’.
please explain WT, what employment that is ‘part time’, or approved employment by the GB that gets one such a home? I make a good hourly wage cleaning homes, but in order to afford a home even close to that caliber, Id have to work 70 hours a week, leaving me no energy or time to attend a single meeting.
 second, the announcement, she is now reinstated to a Jw. That is key. No mention of being a ‘follower of Christ’. The bible scriptures they seem to be using so much of lately is from the old testament. they are in fact trying to be like ancient Jews/Israelite’s are they not? Christ was a follower of the law, but only condemned the heavy handed pharisees when they obviously stepped out of line,[ but never do I understand Jesus to say they taught wrong teachings.] and so the GB want to people be willing members of a religious sect of ancient Jerusalem in a modern world which as we know is not possible.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 2, 2016 at 1:45 pm
 
I have not watched the video (reading or watching anything from watchtower for more than a few minutes turns my stomach at this point in my awakening) and have not had a chance to view Cedars rebuttal video yet, but do I understand correctly that the young woman is not reinstated for 15 years?!
Was she sinning that whole time, jumping from partner to partner? With most young people who leave, they usually settle down into a normal life, getting married to their partner and having children. Let’s assume she moved in with this young man after her parents kicked her to the curb. A few years later they get married. At this point she is no longer sinning by JW standards, so why is she not immediately reinstated? Oh that’s right, she has not gone through humiliating reinstatement process. I wonder how many times she had to petition for reinstatement, what hoops she had to jump through, what intimate details she had to share with a committee of creepy old men? In the only Bible record of excommunication, the young man is welcomed back as soon as he stops sinning. Why do the JWs refuse to follow this example?
WS
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 Holly Chu says:

 June 2, 2016 at 4:31 pm
 
Because they are just a bunch of bastards, that’s why. Seriously, WS, myself and other awakend ones have posed the same question, is someone has quit “sinning”, why not immediate reinstatement? Oh but, they love to see begging and groveling, don’t they?
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 Sarah says:

 June 3, 2016 at 1:03 pm
 
Stomach churning can be minimized by scooting through the video fairly quickly. I watch a few seconds here and there and get the gist.
 It’s an odd symptom and one I note crops up regularly here.
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 JBob says:

 June 2, 2016 at 4:39 pm
 
@chatpal – if you search on jwsurvey.org you will find an article on the murder/suicide of a JW family in USA where the residence looks upper-middle income.
There are several JW.org videos that also seem to be non sequitors–typical JW disconnect from rational and holistic thinking–a young woman pursues pioneering, works part-time, and yet seems to afford world travel. Later her part-time working husband support them both while they ambitiously strive for “evangelizing school” and fervently eschew the “blessings from J*” of having a child or two.
Children–with some historical exceptions–are anathema for JW’s on the ambitious full-time service career track; in some past cases, couples “accidentally” having a child, were pitied and soon excluded from the social “circuit” of ambitious devotees to pioneering, or serving in expanded ways.
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 2, 2016 at 6:37 am
 
I dont think anything has made me more annoyed than this video….pure emotional blackmail….studies should be told up front of this draconian edict…you seem pretty annoyed too Lloyd…to think I once participated in this for many years makes me feel so guilty… it is an evil way to act towards a family member and goes far beyond the instructions of Corinthians…. I wish I could apologise to everyone I have shunned… I am deeply deeply sorry.
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 Will says:

 June 2, 2016 at 7:03 am
 
This is awful. My wife attends with my my kids (8 & 12) and I don’t know how to get them out. I haven’t been to the meeting in about 2 years. I refused to attend the Memorial and Convention because of this BS. I remember when I started studying with the Witnesses in the early 90s and hearing how witnesses break up families. My conductor said it was ridiculous because of all the articles and books the society has written to keep families together, but in recent years I noticed how Jehovah’s Witnesses are horrible for families. I agree with you, Lloyd. The media should be ashamed. The only thing that got some attention was the horrible homophobic cartoon, but that’s because it’s a subject that has a lot of attention now.
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 Big B says:

 June 2, 2016 at 7:46 am
 
@ Will
The media unfortunately, reports news worthy items for ratings. The more people watch, the more ratings they receive, and thus the more their sponsors will advertise on their News shows to sell their wares.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are not newsworthy, only when a JW does some outlandish thing like attack an airport in New Orleans does it make national news or a media celebrity dies like Prince.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/21/new-orleans-airport-attack-scene/25136201/
Less than 8 million strong worldwide, on a good day (if you can trust what the WTBTS says), Jehovah’s Witnesses are considered by most as a “fringe” religion bordering on fanaticism. A cultist, negative bunch of doomsday naysayers, socially inept losers and misfits, uneducated buffoons that merit only a worthy, curt “not interested” dismissal at your doorstep.
Even here in the Southeastern part of the United States, barely 200 miles from Washington, D.C., rarely are Jehovah’s Witnesses mentioned in the news media. Why? No one cares, period. Sad but true. 🙁
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 JBob says:

 June 2, 2016 at 4:47 pm
 
@Big B – that is classic. The scripted and rare individual heaping praises on Witnesses for honesty, etc displayed at conventions and meetings is a self-aggrandizing action.
But, the words to memorize from henceforth are “Fentanyl” and “wrongful death suit.”
What happens when you defer needed surgery to relieve pain because a belief system obfuscates what is a “kosher” medical treatment or not “kosher”? Pain reliever medications.
http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/
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 ScotWm says:

 June 2, 2016 at 8:28 pm
 
Will says: “This is awful. My wife attends with my kids (8 & 12) and I don’t know how to get them out.”
Here’s what you are up against. Watchtower doctrine can be distilled into two distinct points:
1. God’s name is JEHOVAH and He is gathering his witnesses together in these last days. Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only ones who use God’s name.
2. Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only organization preaching the good news of GOD’S KINGDOM to the entire world before the end comes.
Therefore, JWs believe that God has chosen the Watchtower organization and it’s Governing Body as his earthly representatives. For most Witnesses, these two points over rule any doubts they may briefly consider.
Obviously, you are not so easily fooled. However, your wife wants to continue believing Watchtower lies, for the time being. Hopefully, the bizarre antics of the Governing Body may be enough to make your wife finally realize that she does not have the truth.
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 Amber Waves says:

 June 2, 2016 at 7:03 am
 
I had the thought just this morning to contact local news outlets and then I came here. I have been fortunate up until now to have parents that are still in to have something to do with their disfellowshipped, “unrepentant wrong-doer” of a child. My mother told me she would always be kind and that they would always take my call and be available if I NEEDED them. Now, I’m not so sure. I know this convention will be devestating to them. They are in agony enough and my mother has expressed that she has prayed that this particular policy (my word, not hers) would be changed, but that if it stood, then it must be Jehovah’s way. She is in because of her strong belief and hope in the resurrection. I know that this convention will be difficult for her but she will be bouyed at the end when they show the video of some being resurrected and everyone who was LOYAL living happily ever after. I fear this will strengthen her resolve to then do as they say and not even take my phone calls any more. I don’t make waves. I don’t rock the boat. I have been silent, as I knew that speaking out would brand me an apostate in their eyes. But I am ready to make some waves. I don’t want to be silent and I certainly don’t want to be diplomatic. I’m losing my family.
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 John ship says:

 June 2, 2016 at 8:01 am
 
Ive been in since 60s woke up about a year ago .have felt somthing was badly wrong for years though especialy since the ” new” governing body appeared .its gone into some sort of lockdown .ive most family in and wife so have been fading.i havent done anything in the cong since 80s had depression and breakdown ..am better now out of borg mind control. I am keeping quiet like you as im hoping family will see whats going on . But ive promised to take wife to friday and sunday convention but am so uoset at the shunning and the horrible bunker scenes that remind me of the terror i felt as a child in 50s when we were constantly told “how to survive nuke war”.in fact i was so upset after seeing the vid i had sleepless night.and children my grandchildren will be subjected to this evil vile stuff im near to screaming at the KH .as you say this assem is my last..
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 John ship says:

 June 2, 2016 at 8:01 am
 
Ive been in since 60s woke up about a year ago .have felt somthing was badly wrong for years though especialy since the ” new” governing body appeared .its gone into some sort of lockdown .ive most family in and wife so have been fading.i havent done anything in the cong since 80s had depression and breakdown ..am better now out of borg mind control. I am keeping quiet like you as im hoping family will see whats going on . But ive promised to take wife to friday and sunday convention but am so uoset at the shunning and the horrible bunker scenes that remind me of the terror i felt as a child in 50s when we were constantly told “how to survive nuke war”.in fact i was so upset after seeing the vid i had sleepless night.and children my grandchildren will be subjected to this evil vile stuff im near to screaming at the KH .as you say this assem is my last..
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 2, 2016 at 7:34 am
 
I have just watched the ‘bunker’ videos….. they are a disgrace…children should not be allowed to see these frightening scenarios…especially the one on faith at the end ..fear inspiring brainwashing…Im shocked.
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 Mama Joy says:

 June 2, 2016 at 7:54 am
 
After 15 years of unforgiveness- F$&@ them!
Jehovah won’t forgive them for their unforgiveness. “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”.
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 Searcher says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:59 am
 
You are so right! Isn’t it funny how those who proclaim to be the chosen religion or most righteous (whatever that means) are the ones that are the most unforgiving? The very tenants of christ, love, freedom from law, and forgiveness, is not on the radar for this horrible religion/cult. They use law of the old testament and the letters that Paul sent to congregations thousands of years ago ONLY when it’s convenient to them (GB and WT leadership). They aren’t christian! They are modern day Pharisees! The ‘brood of vipers’ that Christ spoke about.
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 2, 2016 at 8:23 am
 
Im sorry to post again but these videos have realky disturbed me…Im walking around my house saying out loud..’this is a disgrace’…and..’I cant beleive this’… I know my husband will come home full of it when he sees it…and my children…and all I can think is….Wake Up!!!!!….. they would laugh if another organizattion made this…and now one of the bunker videos intimates Witnesses shouldnt have long coffee breaks with workmates…..what can I do to make my family see? Today I really am…Idontknowhatodo.
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 Big B says:

 June 2, 2016 at 8:44 am
 
@ Idontknowhatodo
Where can these “bunker” video’s be found, other than going to the Kingdom Hall? I would like to see these “videos” myself as many have written about them on this site.
Many Thanks
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 2, 2016 at 9:05 am
 
They are videos being shown at the convention on the Sunday…I saw them on a link from the previous column about the assembly…they depict a group of witnesess in someones basement while the GT goes on around them…this includes 2 small children…they all discuss different experiences that include a video of that experience…the final one is entitled faith and you hear the GT going on around them… till finally the door is broken down by men in police riot gear as they look loudly for witnesses…you see the door of the basement being knocked down and there is music played to biild up the fear factor…the women and children are ushered behibd the men of the group who have only just stopped discussing scripture and the men in riot gear move threateningly towards the group of defensless witnesess…the music reaches a climax and you have a close up of ‘brother browns’ face…and fade….
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 Jill Hileman says:

 June 3, 2016 at 2:15 pm
 
@ Big B-
Search avoidjw.org – 2016 regional convention. They are the vids from the Sunday symposium. A light-hearted way to end a joy-filled weekend of indoctrination.
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 Lesley HUmphreys-Jones says:

 June 3, 2016 at 12:41 pm
 
I am doing the same thing, I have faded because of all the rubbish the Org spouts but my only daughter is still in, I don’t want her head filled with This garbage, don’t even know if she will still talk to me afterwards. She is my only family. They are truly evil people. I feel they will fall sooner rather than later.
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 rob says:

 June 2, 2016 at 8:47 am
 
I find it very difficult to comprehend how a child can be thrown away by parents just because at some point in their lives they are acting up.
There could be a million reasons why a child rebels. Do the witnesses try to talk to the child and understand what is going on in their lives, what could be missing, what other factors may be a play?
No, they simply throw them away. Children are a gift from God, we were told that in the meetings, and yet they should be thrown away just because they act up and are not being repentent in the eyes of men who are not pyscologists or have any proper training in the emotional ups and downs of teenagers.
Some of these kids by acting out are in reality crying out for help – but they are not being heard. And therefore they continue to act out.
It is shameful that a religion that professes to follow the example of Jesus would treat children this way.
I am so disturbed by the practices of the witness religion and it makes me so angry and sad to think that people will actually leave the assembly and remarking how great the program was.
The media needs to get on this abhorrent practice of shunning.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 2, 2016 at 6:03 pm
 
With teenagers and young adults there certainly is a time to consider “tough love.” But this is typically a last resort when all other options have failed. And the door needs to remain open when the person starts to make changes or agrees to seek professional help. It does not involve shutting a child out of your life for 15 years.
WS
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 rob says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:47 am
 
I agree with your comments and find it unbelievable that the religion would actually present a scenario that shows a 15 year shunning. How sad that witnesses look at this and think that it is ok. I am sickened by this whole tragic mess.
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 Holly Chu says:

 June 3, 2016 at 5:16 pm
 
I totally agree with you once again, WS. Tough love after all else fails. And not because some self-named “Judicial Commitee”, AKA Kangaroo Court, tells you as parents to do so.
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 Searcher says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:18 am
 
@Rob,
“It is shameful that a religion that professes to follow the example of Jesus would treat children this way.”
I commented earlier to a post, but it’s worth saying again. It is usually the religions (not just JW’s) that claim they are the only ‘chosen’ or most ‘righteous’ (however that term is defined by them) that are the most unforgiving and cruel. Just as Jesus said to the Pharasees, “You brood of vipers”. This applies to the modern day Pharasees called the GB and WT leadership down to the overly zealous elders. They forgot all about the tenents of Christ; love, freedom from law, forgiveness. Christ even said to his disciples that it’s not the healthy that need a doctor, but the sick. He didn’t in any way, shape, or form say to ignore someone who needs help and guidance. These GB circus clowns use the old testament laws and letters that were written by Paul thousands of years ago to congregations that no longer exist for there rule making and judgement. They are truly Pharisees!!!
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 M Saurus says:

 June 2, 2016 at 9:23 am
 
I am no longer a witness, and do not approve of the practice of shunning. However, I do have a question.
Someone mentioned in the comments about the “illegality” of shunning. Please explain and/or elaborate. Even though it is an abhorrent, immoral practice, I doubt seriously that it is “illegal”.
Other than being extremely hurtful to the one being shunned, it is a choice that people of this cult make and if that is illegal, then something is wrong.
Yes, they were “never told” about the shunning when they first joined, etc etc. But when they did find out about it they had choices, i.e. stay in and shun, or get out because it’s a horrible thing to do.
Bottom line, immoral and hurtful, yes. Illegal – no. Or at least I hope not. Government has too much say in our personal lives as it is.
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 John ship says:

 June 2, 2016 at 10:21 am
 
The domestic abuse law has been extended in UK to now include coersive and controling behaviour towards a family member so as to cause metal and emotional distress .it can be punished by up to 5years in jail or heavy fine..so if you know anyone is beinf sujected to this or names of elders telling family members to do this report it to social services and police it is now a criminal offence…more court cases for WTUK.
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 Big B says:

 June 2, 2016 at 12:06 pm
 
@ M Saurus
I agree with you; shunning is both immoral and hurtful. However, even in the eyes of the U.S. government, they must adhere to The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). Which is a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948 at the Palais de Chaillot, Paris.
Eleanor Roosevelt supported the adoption of the Declaration as a declaration rather than as a treaty because she believed that it would have the same kind of influence on global society as the United States Declaration of Independence had within the United States. In this, she proved to be correct. Even though it is not legally binding, the Declaration has been adopted in or has influenced most national constitutions since 1948.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
The third column (articles 18–21) is concerned with spiritual, public, and political freedoms such as freedom of association, thought, conscience, and religion.
“The right is enshrined in Articles 18 and 27 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
Article 18
 1. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice and teaching.
2. No one shall be subject to coercion which would impair his freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice”.http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/thought_religion_definition.html
Although not an universal law per se we must agree that in the eyes of the signers of the UDHR the WTBTS coerces its membership into staying in the organization and will punish (by shunning) those that don’t. This egregious behavior should not be allowed to stand in the eye’s of world opinion.
A warning to the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses (calling themselves ‘the Faithful and Discrete slave’) and the WTBTS:
Your “great tribulation bunker videos” will be a self-fulfilling prophecy as the world moves against you and your cult followers for your inhumane treatment of those that disagree with your inane practices. Namely: shunning, pedophile protection, and ad hominem attacks on those who dare to fade quietly.
THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!
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 M Saurus says:

 June 2, 2016 at 12:31 pm
 
I respectfully disagree. To read this thread, you would think that to leave this cult you have to sneak out in the dead of night and that they will come for you with pitchforks and torches.
That is just not true. The “coercion” is in the minds of the ones that want to leave. If you are fed up with this cult and it’s craziness – LEAVE! And when you are “visited” by elders or CO’s – respectfully tell them you have nothing to say to them. Ask them not to come back. Then LIVE YOUR LIFE!
The fact that people don’t want to deal with being shunned is on THEM. I know I will get slammed for this, but this is NOT as big a deal as people are making it.
If you are depressed or have suicidal thoughts after leaving due to the shunning – GET PROFESSIONAL HELP.
To say that the government has to protect you from the teachings of a religion is ridiculous.
Sorry, not sorry.
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 Big B says:

 June 2, 2016 at 12:59 pm
 
@ M Saurus
The UDHR although not legally binding on any nation, is signed by many nations that agree to uphold its principles. By signing the UDHR document infers that they (the signatories) will protect people of different religious persuasions to worship within reason and the right of adherents to ‘leave or change religions’ without fear of reprisals from the governmental or from their former religions.
To say “that the government has to protect you from the teaching of a religion” is not the point I’m trying to make. My point is: Does anyone have the right to punish (shun) you for freely leaving any religion? Is leaving any religion to join or not join another religion a crime? I say it isn’t and my personal opinion is that the UDHR would agree.
The pertinent question is ‘will they (the signatories) enforce it’ (UDHR)? The answer remains to be seen.
Always enjoy your comments. 🙂
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 M Saurus says:

 June 2, 2016 at 1:14 pm
 
In a “free” (such that it is) country, I think I have the right to shun (speak to, associate with) anyone I see fit without being sanctioned by the government.
If I belong to a group that says I have to shun someone, and I don’t want to shun them then I don’t. If that means I can’t be in the group any more, so be it. That was MY CHOICE.
This cult, although persuasive, does not hold a gun to anyone’s head and say they can’t or must do something. People can do or not do anything they CHOOSE. But if it goes against the “rules” of the group, then they aren’t a member anymore.
What is so hard about this?
PS – I enjoy your comments too!

 
 
 
 Al says:

 June 2, 2016 at 2:14 pm
 
I agree that shunning isn’t legal at least in the USA. But I do think it’s reason enough for the government to reasses the wt tax exempt status. An org that has created enforces harmful procedures and serves absolutely no value to the rest of the community should not be tax exempt.
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 Searcher says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:23 am
 
Honestly, no religion should have a tax exempt status. If the government is blind to religion, then they should be blind to the fact that they are a religion and make them pay their FAIR share of the burden of society.

 
 
 
 JBob says:

 June 2, 2016 at 4:59 pm
 
@M Saurus – you seem to be non-JW or perhaps a recently interested party in JW’s?
Thus, it may seem like no big deal to simply wake-up and say, “I’m done with this church and moving to another one”. However, what you probably are not aware is that to become a JW, one is encouraged and disciplined, even prodded, to cut social ties with non-JW friends and family that are opposed to the new progress toward becoming a JW.
If you are raised JW, you are encouraged to avoid seeking social ties with non-JW’s. For some JW families, the non-JW (or shunned) members barely see their grandchildren, nephews, cousins, etc who are JW. Thus, if you do “wake up” and if you choose to immediately sever all ties, you have NO social network since JW’s have innocuously made themselves your sole social network. And, by extension, they also seek to take away family ties.
So, “getting over it” is not as simple as it is to state.
That is why faders probably have a semblance of a plan, if they are using their “gray area” to build social ties, relationships, and even spiritual journey outside of Watchtower community.
If your family members also became JW’s along the way, they are encouraged, as this video suggests to not have extended social ties with you.
This was not always the case, at one time, it only meant family could not discuss spiritual matters or exchange spiritual ideas.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 2, 2016 at 6:38 pm
 
I’ll add to his chain that this extreme treatment may be on par with things like cyber-bullying, which has been reported to have driven some people to commit suicide. Technically cyber bullying is not a crime, “However, prosecutors have used existing laws on the books to prosecute individuals suspected of cyberbullying. Criminal harassment statutes can often provide a basis for bringing charges in severe cases, and more serious criminal charges have been brought in cases where the offense has resulted in suicide or other tragic consequences.” – See more at:http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/cyber-bullying.html
It should be similar with issues due to coerced shunning.
WS

 
 
 M Saurus says:

 June 2, 2016 at 6:59 pm
 
J-Bob – my mother became a witness in 1973 when I was 10 years old. I have been raised in the cult since then up until I decided to leave in 2013, along with my husband and grown son (also raised in it).
My mother, who lives out of state asked why we left and we told her (child abuse scandals, UN involvement, 2013 “new light”). She has not spoken to us since.
I live in the same town I lived in when we became associated in 1973. I have had the same “friends” in local congregations in the area for over 40 years.
So, yes, I had a lot to “lose” and no it wasn’t easy, but not really that difficult either. It was necessary. Why would I stay associated with this organization? To retain “friendships”? To make my mother happy?
My experience in leaving may not be typical – but the experience can be as easy or as difficult as you wish to make it.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Bright Lightbulb says:

 June 2, 2016 at 9:40 am
 
Bunker video(s) linkhttps://youtu.be/wNtlDybBVA8
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 MARS says:

 June 2, 2016 at 9:44 am
 
Obviously the Convention videos are propaganda geared for the average JW , why the public is even invited is puzzling. The shunning video was shown while a speaker was talking about apostates . In a youtube video I saw . The whole intent of the convention is not loyalty to J , but loyal to the organization GB . I saw also a dooms day senario video shown durning the convention, that illustrated JWS hiding from persecution in a celler , that one stuck out , that the GB is incorporated fear mongering as well.
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 AnonymousL0pht says:

 June 2, 2016 at 5:11 pm
 
@Mars – yup, fear, uncertainty and doubts. The same tactics used pre-1975 with emphasis on the Nazi German persecution of Bible Students and persecution in various South American, European, and African lands. It was to create a “bunker mentality” (An attitude of extreme defensiveness and self-justification based on an often exaggerated sense of being under persistent attack from others.)
I do believe as M Sauros noted that individuals may choose NOT to abide by the intimidation of the Governing Body, but it will also depend on how “loyal” and ambitious the local elders are in enforcing this policy. There are a number of reasons to think that the local elders would NOT have incentive to enforce this policy:
1) the donation, or tithing, edicts
 2) what’s the up-factor for being loyal? the District Overseer posts and Circuit Overseer posts are saturated and a few substitutes may be hand-picked here and there, upward mobility is less likely and only some younger MS and naive elders would fall for this “loyalty” schtick.
 3) elders have family and friends that are in the “gray” and faded
 4) while blackmail is a “cardinal sin,” the thick atmosphere of “cover ups” is rife for someone to bring out photos and “remember when you—“.
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 nullandvoidboy says:

 June 2, 2016 at 9:46 am
 
I’m going to write a screen treatment about this and shop it to Hollywood….Titled: The Shunning
An action movie melodrama following the exploits of Nigel, the fader, who has to go through evasive measures….car chases….being followed by gestapo elders…..and former bean pod friends ( like the people in Invasion of the body snatchers ) . Hopefully it’ll do well and will be a trilogy, like the Godfather….no pun intended
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 Telescopium says:

 June 2, 2016 at 3:31 pm
 
INT. NIGEL’S ROOM – DIM
 Nigel hides in his closet, barely visible in the dark. Sweat drips from his brow. He’s trembling.
We hear slow FOOTSTEPS approaching from the hallway outside the room. They stop.
Nigel’s eyes are wide with fear.
BOOM. BOOM. BOOM. Pounding on the door.
ELDER (O.S.)
 Nigel? Are you in there? Nigel?
 We’ve missed you at the meetings…
You need to return to Jehovah, Nigel.
Nigel stares as the door handle begins to turn.
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 Tara says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:19 pm
 
Lol I’d love to paste it but can’t. The picture of Jack Nicholson from the shining as he peers in through the door he has just hacked a hole in….
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 Sval says:

 June 2, 2016 at 3:46 pm
 
I am completely disgusted! This exact same thing happened in our family. My 17 yr old daughter got involved with an “unbeliever.” Long story short, she was disfellowshipped. My husband and I couldn’t do it. We could not dispose of our daughter. We loved her unconditionally. We were “warned” that if we continued to associate with her that we would probably be disfellowshipped also. So we decided to take our chances in the “world” and guess what…we’re still alive!!! We are now able to live a happy life with our daughter and her family. NEVER going back! EVER!!!
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:06 am
 
to SVAL! Right on. You did the right thing!
 Good for you guys, The Wt is the same as the NAZIS. They are Brown shirts in fancy suits, They rule by fear. Do you notice I all those talks there is barely a mention of Jesus Christ or his name? Everything is Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah? They claim to follow Christ but rarely use his name or refer to him. If you read the Christian Scriptures they rarely use the name Jehovah but always Christ but not the WT,
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:18 am
 
Technically HC, the New Testment (to avoid the JW cult jargon) never uses the name Jehovah. Of the nearly 5000 ancient copies of the NT that have been recovered, there is no indication that the Tetragrammaton was used in any of them. The Watchtower took it upon themselves to decide it was okay to add it to their translation of the bible. I recently came across an interesting analysis of this at: http://www.neirr.org/Tetragrammaton.htm
WS
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:28 am
 
Trying again, as my previous reply was blocked:
Technically HC, the New Testment (to avoid the JW cult jargon) never uses the name Jehovah. Of the nearly 5000 ancient copies of the NT that have been recovered, there is no indication that the Tetragrammaton was used in any of them. The Watchtower took it upon themselves to decide it was okay to add it to their translation of the bible. I recently came across an interesting analysis of this at: http://www.neirr.org/Tetragrammaton.htm
WS
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 Searcher says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:31 am
 
GOOD FOR YOU!!!! Shunning can work the other way too!
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 Julien says:

 June 3, 2016 at 10:08 am
 
Exactly. Why do you want people like that in your life? Its healthier to be without them. It takes a few years for most raised in it to undo the indoctrination but it is not impossible. Sometimes you just have to cut the cords. Way too much drama and emotional manipulation as far as im concerned.
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 Markw1509 says:

 June 4, 2016 at 12:39 am
 
Fabulous to hear that, Sval.
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 Cherie says:

 June 2, 2016 at 9:56 am
 
Two words for the Sonja video: Slut Shaming!
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 WideAwake says:

 June 2, 2016 at 10:31 am
 
My nephew committed suicide because of being df’d.
 And I wish there were a way to get the stats on the high rate of suicide among the so called “happiest people on earth.”
The hypocrisy of this cult run by the “gang of seven” is mind boggling.
 According to their literature this “loving god” Jah doesn’t have any qualms about killing billions of people on this planet. And we call Hitler a monster?
 However, won’t it be wonderful for them!
 Too bad those billions of Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, Seventh day Adventists, Catholics etc. etc. etc. didn’t get the “inspired” Watchtower message!
 What is so disturbing is how effective relentless propaganda is and how “group think” takes over a person’s ability to think clearly.
 Their videos make me sick because they are so emotionally abusive, manipulative and damaging to children’s psyche.
 This religion is becoming more and more judicial and less and less loving and compassionate.
 The “faithful and discreet slave” has effectively replaced Jesus and his message of forgiveness.
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 Chico Trinidad says:

 June 2, 2016 at 10:37 am
 
No religion is perfect nor will any religion do anything perfect. The bible does say that if a christian acts a certain way that they should be removed from the congregation, it does say that. However, I don’t understand who authorized the governing body to do so and what makes them believe they’ve been endorsed to add there own little interpretations of it.
Moses was sent to the nation of Israel after 40 or whatever years of training. Upon arriving, Jehovah had his staff turn into a snake and had his arm develop leprosy before going clean again as an undeniable sign he was to be the chosen leader. Despite Jesus going around healing folks, resurrecting, expelling demons etc, God still spoke from heaven 3x’s to tell everyone this was his chosen one. According to the Witnesses or bible, even Satans “worldly” manmade government have been endorsed by God as being put in place to maintain some order.
One day Charles Taze Russell went in a room, came out, said this is the truth believe it or die. And thats it. No endorsement whatsoever. And somewhere down the line, even though CT Russell had one, no beards or you lose all your “privileges”. However after 100+ years, and the millions who were living but are long dead, still no endorsement from God himself which doesn’t even follow the scriptural pattern of God’s “chosen” people and their leader. Unfortunately I choose to remain an active witness for my entire family, literally, are Witnesses and its my personal choice. But for the most part I just go to the meetings waiting to hear this endorsement from God himself that they’ve never gotten.
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 Bright Lightbulb says:

 June 2, 2016 at 10:46 am
 
They authorized it themselves, the same way they appointed themselves to be the Faithful & Discreet slave! No credentials necessary!
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 2, 2016 at 3:06 pm
 
To Chico: I understand how you feel and for a while Id di the same thing as you for the family. After a while I could no longer stomach it and I had to stop. Since you are doing this for the sake of the family what would you do if you or your family had an medical emergency and needed a Blood transfusion?
I could not allow my kids to die for refusing a blood transfusion.
Or what if your children want to join a sports team or a club at school? Or part take in a Birth day celebration?
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 Telescopium says:

 June 2, 2016 at 3:42 pm
 
Chico,
 Small side point, but I think there may new light on the whole beard issue. The September 2016 Watchtower (Study Edition) contains the following:
17. What are some factors that may affect
 whether a brother wears a beard?
17 What about the propriety of brothers
 wearing a beard? The Mosaic Law
 required men to wear a beard. However,
 Christians are not under the Mosaic
 Law, nor are they obliged to observe
 it. (Lev. 19:27; 21:5; Gal. 3:24, 25) In
 some cultures, a neatly trimmed beard
 may be acceptable and respectable, and
 it may not detract at all from the Kingdom
 message. In fact, some appointed
 brothers have beards. Even so, some
 brothers might decide not to wear a
 beard. (1 Cor. 8:9, 13; 10:32) In other
 cultures or localities, beards are not
 the custom and are not considered acceptable
 for Christian ministers. In fact,
 having one may hinder a brother from
 bringing glory to God by his dress and
 grooming and his being irreprehensible.
—Rom. 15:1-3; 1 Tim. 3:2, 7.
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 Chico Trinidad says:

 June 3, 2016 at 3:52 am
 
Telescopium,
That’s interesting about the beards. I’ll have to read that. But where I’m from thats not going to fly. Its funny, where I’m from the brother’s shave their heads. We see nothing wrong with it, its very common, and you can do it whetger you’re appointed or not. But I was shocked to find out in some places in the US, including bethel, its not allowed, or “frowned upon” in Witness lingo.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:16 am
 
TO Chico: What area are you from Chico? Why do the brothers shave their heads there? Is it a culturall thing or they are doing it for a certain style or look?
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 curious george says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:03 am
 
i am curious, this shunning of people who aren’t disfellowshipped, are baptized, but have left the JW org. are families not allowed to talk to them at all?? though they have really done nothing but left the organization?
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 M Saurus says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:19 am
 
Technically that is correct. If you pass them on the street, you are to look the other way. I know of lots of witnesses, however, that do NOT shun adult family members… they just haven’t been caught yet.
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 Covert Fade says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:29 am
 
New guidelines unveiled at this convention state that if a “fader” or “inactive” one (baptised and left but not FD or DA) is known to be “sinning” (basically anything you can get DA or DF for) then yes. They are to be shunned.
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 curious george says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:35 am
 
thanks for your prompt answer and the explanation
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 ruthlee says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:17 am
 
If they stay in that bunker for three days they will smell like corpses. Something fishy always turns out to be a fish. The trouble with this charity is that the shunning of perceived wrong doers is not very charitable. Charity begins at home so that’s an easy one if you have permission to kick out your kids. Its not as if the kids go around murdering people, how can anyone reduce their children to rent boys and girls because they sling them out without a care, to the mercy of a world they know little about. These gifts from god are a christmas jumper to be discarded after a season as not suitable. I do hope god sees all this and takes note cheerless Ruthlee
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 Average Joe says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:33 am
 
Ok so here are is my observation for you. Did anyone else notice how the announcement was based on the old school style? “Sonya Ericsson has been disfellowshipped”. They’ve not said that since the 90s. They now would say “Sonya Ericsson is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”.
Apart from that huge oversight by the GB who supposedly check everything with Divine backing, who else thinks that is a great name for a woman? The female version of Sony Ericsson. Great product placement!
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 Cedars says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:35 am
 
I think that might actually have been deliberate, since Sonja was apparently disfellowshipped at least 15 years prior to her narration of the video.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:24 am
 
Cedars: Did you also Notice in the Video after Sonja was DF’d and by herself apparently watching TV that they gave her dark baggy looking eyes trying to make her look tired, worn out, depressed? All apparently bc she was DF’s and left the BORG? Also I do not remember seeing anything about a husband with the children so we have to assume she also got a divorce right? Giving more evidence that the WT is ALWAYS correct and she married that BAD Worldly person!
Another thing Cesar. I thought you did a great job in your you tube Video around 39-40 minutes into it when you discussed the point about how Jehovah cleansed the heavens to protect his spiritual family by sending the demons down to the earth! Now his physical family as to fight them. That was great how you rolled your eyes in sarcasm. It actually was good food for thought. How important for God to get rid of these pesty demons right but then he gave them to mankind to deal with and of course the F&D Slave as well of al of JW’s now have to fight them!
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 Stupid4Jesus says:

 June 2, 2016 at 11:34 am
 
They put this young woman up for shunning because of immorality and not because she found out the Watchtower is financial supported by billions of stock on Wall street which include Defense and Tobacco in the portfolio. http://nccsweb.urban.org/communityplatform/nccs/organization/profile/id/386043103
It’s always about the problems of the followers and not the leaders and their child abuse problems. Shifting the blame for so many leaving the faith and so that they don’t have to address their U.N. involvement.
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 Twmack says:

 June 2, 2016 at 12:43 pm
 
Over 40 years ago I threw my 18 year old son out of
 the family home. I was influenced by a WT article
 stating, “That any elder having disruptive older
 children that were a bad example, if he wished to
 remain an elder, should remove the unruly children
 from the house hold.
My son, at the time had acquired a liking for a few pints
 of strong ale ( still has ) and was coming home past
 midnight. Another elder became aware of this and
 complained to me about it, adding more pressure.
That particular elder, I had seen, one time “Blind drunk”
knocking back whiskey shots in one go, saying “Now I’ll
 show you how a Scots Man does it” ( do as I say, not as
 I do)
Adding more pain and confusion to my situation was a
 meeting with the D,O, in which he commended an elder
 who stepped down in order to give more time to his son
 who was spiritually weak. ( They pull the string one way
 then the other).
I decided from that point, to use my own judgement.
Paternal feelings, instincts, returned also remembered
 my own, far from unblemished youth. I asked my sons
 forgiveness and implored him to return home. Which he
 did, after some persuasion.
I still have bitter regrets over that un-necessary episode,
 although I accept the blame, for allowing myself to be
 manipulated, allowing strangers to interfere in my family.
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 KimJones says:

 June 2, 2016 at 4:39 pm
 
You’re a very good father and you really are a nice man.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:33 am
 
to TWMACK. I did some of the same things with my son when he was like 15-20 years old. I have apologized to him for being a weak WT influenced
 maniac at times. I never threw him out of the house but I did things to make his life uncomfortable and tried to micro manage him due to the Brothers saying I could not b an Elder if I let him play sports or allowed him to go to Rock Concerts once in a while. He was a strong individual at the time and I am proud he saw thru the BS of the WT! He actually helped me fade away by his example and the way he was. We today are very close. Only his mother is still in and his sister but they are both on the extreme side still. Let’s see what happens after these shunning talks? You and I both made parental mistakes but we have learned and are free now.Let’s be glad the chains are broken.
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 Free Thinker says:

 June 2, 2016 at 1:00 pm
 
“Conventions are typically a big money-spinner for local businesses, so journalists are often compelled to write favorably about these events.”
True, bec. “The answer is always money”.
Big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rules. Pecunia non olet. For $$$, we don’t care, we are ready to swallow crap, cockroaches, rats, toads, … yum!
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 WideAwake says:

 June 2, 2016 at 1:28 pm
 
Yes, shifting blame is what the GB does best.
 Their politics involve throwing out “red herrings” and assigning blame .
 Not once have they apologized to all the children whose lives have been ruined .
 Jesus, hit the scribes and Pharisees hard. Illustrating how corrupt they had become, and heartless. They would measure out “the tenth of the mint and the dill and cumin” while forgetting what really mattered, namely, mercy and kindness.
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 Sval says:

 June 2, 2016 at 3:17 pm
 
I am completely disgusted! This exact same thing happened in our family. My 17 yr old daughter got involved with an “unbeliever.” Long story short, she was disfellowshipped. My husband and I couldn’t do it. We could not dispose of our daughter. We loved her unconditionally. We were “warned” that if we continued to associate with her that we would probably be disfellowshipped also. So we decided to take our chances in the “world” and guess what…we’re still alive!!! We are now able to live a happy life with our daughter and her family. NEVER going back! EVER!!!
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 Julien says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:59 am
 
Excellent. I congratulate you. Stand strong against their brainwashing.
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 Holly Chu says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:35 pm
 
GOOD FOR YOU!
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 D.S. says:

 June 2, 2016 at 4:23 pm
 
To this day, I cannot watch any of the videos or talks. I am instantly irritated at any of the sounds of the bland talks and zombie acting videos. I still cant believe I fell for this religion’s beliefs and practices for so many years. What a waste!
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 Songbird says:

 June 2, 2016 at 5:24 pm
 
I was surprised and pleased when last night’s local news featured one man’s experience of shunning by JWs. http://www.clickondetroit.com/lifestyle/man-shares-difficult-decision-to-leave-religion-
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 Imgonaburn says:

 June 2, 2016 at 5:36 pm
 
This scenario reminded me of the situation in Japan where the parents of a 7yr old boy abandoned their child on the edge of a remote bear infested forest in an attempt to ‘teach him a lesson’ and punish him for being naughty. As far as I know he hasn’t yet been found and is still missing presumed dead. The world is outraged at their actions!!
 Granted he was only 7 and not 17 but to me the principle is the same!
 Why would any parent send their beloved child out into ‘the world’ (when it’s drummed into them that it’s such a dangerous satanic place) and expect them to return unharmed and repentant for their misconduct?
 Likewise if it’s a parent that is shunned by their adult children- how does that show ‘honour’ to their mother/father?
 When has it ever made sense to expect to receive love in return for hate??
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 Tara says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:34 pm
 
The boy was found. He was dehydrated but alive.
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 Chico Trinidad says:

 June 3, 2016 at 3:45 am
 
No children. Family all adults. If they don’t want blood I’m not about to force it on anyone. I use to work in one of the top hospitals in the US by the delivery dock. Because I’ve seen how they handle it, blood, I’m not in favor of it myself, at least on me.
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:41 am
 
Chico: We might not be in favor of blood and try other alternatives but sometimes it is the ONLY alternative right? So if it came down to a life and death matter you would still refuse it? If so is this bc of your JW beliefs and you feel God would punish you? Blood has saved a lot more lives than it ever harmed.
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 Dean says:

 June 3, 2016 at 3:55 am
 
DISGUSTING…..Why many act like this beats me…and forced to do this under guilt and fear says it all,may be those concerned should see what unconditional love is as that is what is taught to many JW..and yet not practised
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 Gary says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:23 am
 
For 15y the woman in the video was ignored until she compiled.
 Can anyone tell me what her children did to their grandparents for them to be ignored too?
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 Gary says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:34 am
 
Grandparents. . . .’we would have sent you presents but we don’t celebrate Christmas or birthdays’.
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 Julien says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:54 am
 
For real! Lol. Yet in turn they accept christmas and birthday gifts dont they? Hypocrites.
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 Gary says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:42 am
 
And so the reinstated woman takes her children along to the meetings and the cycle of abuse continues only for them to be later disfellowshipped
 and their children to suffer the same fate.
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 Julien says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:56 am
 
Exactly Gary. They are not able to break the cycle of abuse so they pass it on. To paraphrase the bible (as JW always do) ‘like a dog returning to its own vomit’.
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 rob says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:07 am
 
Do any of the septopopes at Bethel even know what its like to live in the real world? They get their meals prepared for them, their clothes laundered, free housekeeping, free luxury travel, a winter getaway in Palm Beach Florida (disguised as a training facility), free health care, and never have to do an honest days work and have lawyers and accountants surrounding them who really run the show.
They live off of the backs of working class people who send them their donations and sometimes leave them their estates when they die, and they are adored by millions of witnesses worldwide. So when they set these shunning rules or other rules that are so invasive and family destroying, they dont give a care as to the consequences, because it does not affect them or their cushy lifestyle.
But I still believe that God sees this whole mess and will bring justice to those whose lives have been destroyed or whose families have been torn apart by this awful religion. Unfortunately it just isn’t happening soon enough.
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 Searcher says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:42 am
 
Have you ever notice how hung up on sex, genitals, and the like that the WT and many other religions have? This is ‘serious sin’ unless performed exactly as we say you should. If it’s so bad, then how did 8 billion people get on the earth? Seems like it works pretty good in my humble opinion. Teenagers and young adults are going to have sex. That is just natural and part of being a living human being. Granted, it shouldn’t be forced upon anyone or performed on any child. That is breaking personal barriers and wrong! Any time anyone tries to limit a natural function, not just sex, it seems like bad things come of it. Just look at the record of the JW’s and Catholic priesthood sleazeballs that have come to light lately.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:26 am
 
Searcher,
I once learned that in the early Puritan settlements there were laws passed that required sex only be performed in the missionary position (man on top). So the extreme obsession with sex predates the JWs. It seems most high control religions have an obsession with it.
WS
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:38 am
 
To Winston. Rememebr the Ayatollah Humeni who overthrew Iran in the 80’s and kicked out the Shah? He became the political and Spritual leader of Iran after that. He had 100’s of rules on proper sex positions and the proper way to have Sex.
He also was religious fanatic who wanted to institute his way of rule into every aspect of life. Cults do that as a regular way to control;.
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 Julien says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:50 am
 
Just another fanatical psycho religion that caters to the imbalanced. My parents not only banned their own families but also banned their only two children yet wanted to be involved with the grandchildren. Nope. You just dont get the chance to indoctrinate another generation. Now the last living parent is 70 years old and alone; but after over 25 years of estrangement how are the children supposed to care for this bible thumping fanatical induvidual who has no awareness of the damage he has inflicted and still beleives he is a good person who did the right thing?
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 Peter the Digger says:

 June 3, 2016 at 10:33 am
 
I’m not sure, even in Aaron’s day, that the offence of a teenage Isrealite sleeping with, say, a teenager from the Philistines would be of the same rank of seriousness as usurping the High Priest’s priveliges and duties by ‘offering illegitmate fire before Jehovah’. In fact there are numerous cases in the Bible where illicit relations were forgiven by Jehovah, even where, as in King David’s case, a death, effectively a murder, resulted. King David simply repented, albeit straightaway, but only when he was rebuked by the priest. So – Aaron’s son’s sin justifies present day ‘social death by shunning’????? not sure on this at all.
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 Twmack says:

 June 3, 2016 at 10:45 am
 
@ KimJones, Holy Connoli. Thanks for your kind and
 helpful comments. Battles of will between parents and
 their teenage children are a natural part of life.
But when the adult is in an indoctrinated state, these
 battles can become bitter and distressing, even destroying
 relationships.
One reason for this is, that compromise comes over from
 the platform as spiritual weakness, so there is no giving way
 even an inch on the parents part. Rules replace
 reasonableness.
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 rob says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:07 am
 
Funny that witness tribunals view fornication between two single people the same as adultery.
Correct me if I am wrong but in the old testament if a single man slept with a virgin, he would have to marry her. But if two people committed adultery they would be put to death.
Shunning a person for 15 years – how revolting.
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 Peter the Digger says:

 June 3, 2016 at 1:11 pm
 
There are quite a few of these ‘clever conflations’. For example, somehow, dressing in neat clean clothes = ma;e JWs MUST wear suits. Because all Bros can afford them. Well all bros can afford face tattoos too!! Or ‘Showing Love’ = Love for Jehovah and Organisation = Love for Elders = no duty for ordinary members to love each other. Brilliant wordsmithery, really.
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 GEM says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:34 am
 
I thought the most perceptive comment came from a Commentator on the Raw Story article, called “bibleexpert”:
Point 3 raised: “The Makers of the video failed to note that the parents are actually ignoring “the biblical lesson of Aaron” by acting sad their daughter left home”
Another example of WT’s “Iron fist in a velvet glove”! Poor, hurt, faithful….henchmen and women. Unable to exercise their freedom of conscience and speech, and living in fear of these Tyrants.
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 Gary says:

 June 3, 2016 at 1:31 pm
 
And the veiled threat award goes to Jehovahs Witnesess for ‘lose living in your family home if we don’t forgive you’.
Bastards.
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The Worst Convention Ever – Part 1: Shunning
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Posted on June 2, 2016
 
worst1articleThis summer millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide will flock to their regional conventions, a much-anticipated event in the JW calendar.
Local newspapers are already lining up to write articles lauding the influx of Witnesses at sports venues and convention centers. Conventions are typically a big money-spinner for local businesses, so journalists are often compelled to write favorably about these events.

“It’s a weekend to learn. In that sense, each day is less like a church service and more like an educational symposium,” opines Chelsea Davis at the Missoulian.
“The city has estimated that each of the three conventions can generate as much as $1.5 million worth of economic activity in Cornwall and area,” enthuses Todd Hambleton for the Cornwall Standard-Freeholder.
“Jehovah’s Witnesses strive to adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced,” gushes a commendably-unnamed correspondent at South Coast Today.
Every year, flattering pieces like this overlook the more sinister underpinnings of Witness conventions, which amount to little more than indoctrination rallies orchestrated by the New York-based Watch Tower Society and its Governing Body leadership.
Usually the coercive element of these gatherings is harder to spot for an undiscerning local journalist who simply wants to push out a favorable review that will sail past his editor and keep the pay-checks rolling in. But this year, there really are no excuses.
Firstly, it’s difficult to imagine a theme that is more Orwellian: “Remain Loyal to Jehovah.” Precisely how is anyone supposed to relate to this circle-the-wagons rhetoric who hasn’t been indoctrinated into equating Watchtower with God’s one true organization on earth today? How do you “remain loyal” to something to which you haven’t pledged allegiance?
Secondly, and most crucially, any remotely switched-on journalist who sits through one or more of the string of highly-manipulative videos being shown at this year’s convention should be struck by the blatant coercion and fear-mongering as though they’ve been clobbered in the face by a wet halibut.
And for the most disturbing example of this jaw-dropping video propaganda, we need look no further than a series of three appalling videos that should come with a parental warning and be titled: “How to shun your daughter for 15 years just for sleeping with someone to whom she isn’t married.”
(Below is my video rebuttal to the shunning videos, as well as one of the convention talks of the symposium in which they are shown…)

We are introduced to Sonja, a girl raised by devout Witness parents, who reaches a crossroads in her teenage years when a childhood of indoctrination begins to conflict with her burgeoning individuality. Feelings of uncertainty about her beliefs are suppressed, as she goes through the motions simply to satisfy her parents – something many raised as Witnesses will relate to.
Since even masturbation is off the menu for Jehovah’s Witnesses (despite not a single scripture in the bible supporting this prohibition) it’s no real surprise when years of sexual repression climax in a night of carnal abandon involving Sonja and a work colleague in a hotel room. Sonja initially experiences pangs of guilt, but later correctly accepts that sex is something that happens when two people are in love.
At this point, Sonja’s boyfriend Eric is jettisoned from further participation in the drama. All we know is that he was kind and attentive to Sonja, and that her love for him was reciprocated.
As far as Watchtower is concerned, Eric is an imposter who was instrumental in a Witness youth falling from grace. Any good intentions he may have had toward Sonja are irrelevant in the eyes of the filmmakers. What matters is that he is NOT a Jehovah’s Witness, and therefore should have no place in Sonja’s life. De-humanized, and with his work done, Eric exits stage left so that Sonja’s story can continue.
How Sonja’s elders come to learn of her forbidden romance is not depicted. Instead, we are taken straight to the meeting where Sonja is announced as disfellowshipped. Immediately the focus is on Sonja’s parents, and how her actions have “crushed” them. Sonja is further cast as the villain when she is shown acting obstinately, arms folded, when her father delivers the news that she needs to leave home.
A more accurate depiction of the scenario would show an errant teenager, traumatized by his or her impending estrangement from the family, pleading with their indoctrinated father or mother to show mercy and reconnect with their parental instincts. But to fit with Watchtower’s “blame the victim” message, Sonja must be a scowling, defiant brat who anyone would be glad to see the back of.
Sonja is portrayed as a scowling, indignant teen who anyone would be glad to be rid of
Sonja is portrayed as a scowling, indignant teen
 
Divine execution
With Sonja ejected from the family home, her ‘victims’ gather on the sofa to read an Old Testament account that will make them feel better about abandoning their child. The bible passage describes Aaron being instructed, on pain of death, to not mourn his sons Nadab and Abihu who have been executed by God with fire from heaven. Sonja’s parents resolve to use this account as a blueprint for purging their emotions and pretending Sonja is dead.
This is not the first time the Nadab and Abihu story has been invoked by Watchtower to order parents not to grieve the loss of their shunned children, as should be evident from the following quote from the July 15, 2011 Watchtower study edition (the same magazine issue in which apostates are described as “mentally diseased”)…
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Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to purge their emotions, as Aaron was commanded to do on pain of death
Jehovah’s Witness parents are expected to purge their emotions when shunning, as Aaron was commanded to do on pain of death
 
It isn’t long before Sonja’s parents get the chance to put their instructions into practice. Sonja is shown calling her parents’ cellphone, which begins ringing on the kitchen worktop. Her mother checks to see who is calling. On noticing Sonja’s number, she refuses to pick up.
For all we know, Sonja could have been stranded by the roadside, or in the process of being attacked, robbed, raped or murdered – but paramount in her parents’ minds is the need to show loyalty to Watchtower by pretending she no longer exists.
Sonja tells the audience that her parents did the right thing by refusing to pick up, and quotes almost verbatim from an experience printed in a 2013 Watchtower in which a once-disfellowshipped man named Robert praises his parents for not giving him the “small dose” of contact he needed that might have delayed his decision to return. Family contact, apparently, is some kind of illicit drug, and depriving disfellowshipped children of it is the humane, loving thing to do.
Watchtower is virtually holding its hands up and saying: “We expect parents to emotionally blackmail their disfellowshipped kids. If they end up returning just to end the shunning rather than because they genuinely believe the religion, at least the ends justify the means.”
In the final instalment of the shunning trilogy, after 15 years of being shunned (a punishment apparently entirely deserved after sleeping with someone), Sonja is depicted getting reinstated. Finally reunited with her family, Sonja is engulfed in a tide of post-meeting love-bombing by congregation members who now shower her with conditional love.
Not shown are the months of humiliating attendance of meetings at which she is required to sit in disgrace on the last rows of the seats while literally an entire congregation shuns her. Only by doing this can disfellowshipped Witnesses get back into Watchtower’s good books, and even then it isn’t always that simple.
In my rebuttal video (above), I give one tragic example in which a disfellowshipped Witness named Kaatje was repeatedly refused reinstatement due to her chronic depression. Her brother Bjorn is convinced that this treatment by elders directly contributed to her eventual suicide. (My interview with him will feature in a future video on the “John Cedars” YouTube channel.)
Kaatje and Bjorn in happier times
Kaatje and Bjorn in happier times
 
Sadly, Kaatje is just one of many who have paid the ultimate price for Watchtower’s extreme shunning policy, which its own literature once described as “altogether foreign to bible teachings.”
The media black-out
Even more tragic is the grim reality that there is no end in sight to this abhorrent treatment, at least while the media in general resolutely refuses to give Watchtower’s brand of shunning the scrutiny and criticism it deserves. True, Rawstory has wasted little time in describing one of the shunning videos as “disturbing,” but so far it is a lone voice.
Rather than the inevitable avalanche of puff pieces heralding the “Remain Loyal To Jehovah” convention as a commercial success, we should be seeing Sonja’s face in multiple newspapers, magazines and blogs as her foul treatment at the behest of a cruel cult is rightly condemned. It should be made perfectly clear that, in the 21st Century, such blatant manipulation and coercion by religious leaders aimed at breaking up families is intolerable, and certainly should not be endorsed through tax exemptions and even charitable status.
Perhaps the only way we can ever live to see public opinion close the gap on Watchtower is by doing what we can to give this dreadful material the exposure it deserves in whatever way possible. For that reason, I would urge all of you to share this video and article on social media (if you are able), as well as the videos and articles that will follow in this #worstconventionever series.
It may be that our efforts to get the media to take notice amount to little more than a phone call that goes unanswered, but at least by trying we honour the memory of those like Kaatje who paid the ultimate price for Watchtower’s barbarity. I can think of few better reasons to share a hashtag.
 
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This is the first in a series of six articles examining various features of the Remain Loyal to Jehovah convention of 2016. To read leaked transcripts and videos from the convention, please click here.

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 Gary says:

 June 3, 2016 at 1:49 pm
 
Of course if a child is so unruly so as to disrupt the rest of the family a person may decide to take such action. However, that’s not for the Watchtower to decide. Nither is it for them to decide whether you maintain contact. Conscience.
 It real does seem that the real issue of concern for the Watchtower (dressed up in another way) is exposure.
 Considering the biblical and historical point of view there is no suggestion that a person must be shunned, brother sister or not.
 A greeting in biblical terms is far more than a simple hello. I agree with this reasoning.
 Each person, having the facts of each individual case, bearing in mind the person and their ability, should themselves decide.
 Watchtower is frightened.
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 rosemary osborn says:

 June 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm
 
I know about shunning. I have 2 sisters and 1 brother who shun me and as one of their Watchtower articles said they should treat me as Satans follower. This has been since I believe 10 years or so. I am a Christian and a 21 year Hospice volunteer taking care of terminally ill patients. Shame. They are sooo brain-washed. Sad.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:26 pm
 
So I finally had a chance to watch Lloyd’s video with the clips from the shunning video.
 Great job on your video, Lloyd.
On the shunning video, why does the narrator sound like she is a 15 year old girl? I mean she is supposed to be looking back after being disfellowshipped for 15 years! If she was out of school and working when she got DF’d she had to be about 20 and now 15 years have gone by so she must be about 35. That little girl voice of the narrator creeped me out more than anything.
WS
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 Holly Chu says:

 June 3, 2016 at 6:03 pm
 
Just watched the bunker video. And that was the most nauseating thing I have seen in a very long time. There is not enough space on this website to critique every thing on this hideous video series. Fear mongering, and scaring young children into submission.
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 QuietObserver says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:08 pm
 
Has anyone considered if the GT video is because the Orgy know that nearly all the governments of the Western world are coming after them for their position on child abuse and oppression of women, including sexual harassment that happens at the Bethels? Here in Australia the general consensus is that they are selling off the Bethel here and all their equipment as well as many KHs before the Royal commission comes after them for the compensation scheme. If they create this fear for the R&F that the governments are after them because it’s the GT and not because of their own lies and betrayals, they will close ranks around the GB to protect them. What do you think?
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 Dwc says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:01 am
 
One cannot help but wonder if the very proclamation of “she has fallen” starts with the WT Bible and tract society. I could go on and on and would really like to tell my story as so many of you have just as it’s therapeutic! Lol
The bottom line is the organization is dying. Most intelligent people can see this. The WT for the week of June 5th is a perfect example of this.
For me what I am most grateful to John and all who post here is the clarity to see through the messages. To take the purity and “holiness” of Gods message and twist it into a policy procedures, publishing company is incredible. But what is truly amazing is if anyone takes a look at the the parallel of the WTBS and its funding challenges like any other company out there… Except those haven’t harboured and protected pedophiles.
Anyways interesting to see if the very organization that claims to be Gods “chosen” will be the first to go.
DWC
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 Mounia says:

 June 4, 2016 at 2:19 am
 
Hello
Well, I was a bible student since 2 years and a proclaimer unbaptized (please don’t hesitate to correct me because my English is not good). I just sent a letter to my ex-kingdom hall to let them know officialy that I have finished with them and notified some points where I simply don’t agree. Anyway, eventhough I was not officially J.W., my “friends” simply reject me with poor arguments, such as I am under the devil, I am weak, or I must suffer so much that I need help ! Oh My God. Their “arguments” just confirm me that these people are very simpled mind, with no capability to think by themselves. In fact, by their remarks on me, they symply describe themselves… I looked twice at this video: it is empty of good sense,of responsability and spirituality. The governing body, by showing these kind of videos are killing again Jesus-Christ as they carry on searching sentences in the ancient scriptures of the bible and if I remember Jesus Christ has abolished the ancient laws by being killed on the cross. The account of the “adulteress” of Jean 8 is one of most beautiful of the Gospel. This woman sinner, condemned by the integrist ones of the time, is raised by Jesus, is forgiven, released from her indicters… with this formula remained famous: “That that which never sinned throws him the first stone. Good luck to all J.W., they really need it.
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 vicent says:

 June 4, 2016 at 2:38 am
 
ALL THIS THINGS GOES AGAINST OF ”ROYAL COMISION. SUGESTIONS. AND MR JACKSON STATEMENT TO GIVE RELIEF TO THE VICTIMS,OR JACKSON APEARS WAS A TOTALLY CIRCUS..ONLY LIES BEFORE R.C. OF AUSTRALIA…….THE INTERNATIONAL COURT WILL BE INTERVIEW,PLEASE CEDAR HELP US TO SEND ALL THIS LIES THERE,PLEASE…
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 James Broughton says:

 June 4, 2016 at 7:24 am
 
On Friday evening in the UK I watched the Danish TV programme ‘Dicta’, about a fictional crime reporter in Arrhus, Denmark. It opened with a flashback to when she was a teenager giving birth to an illegitimate child who was subsequently taken away from her. Returning to modern day, she was seen outside a Kingdom Hall and attempted to greet her parents whom she had not seen since then. They refused to have anything to do with her, presumably because she had been disfellowshipped, and the door was closed in her face. I have no idea how it will turn out for Dicte but it is interesting that owing to the success of the series perhaps many people who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses will learn how repulsive this cult is.
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 Joe says:

 June 4, 2016 at 10:28 pm
 
Hi all,
I’d like to make couple of points. It saddens me to see
 a departure from the policies that stipulated limited contact. The reasons why limited was permitted (relatives) in my view was due to the following.
A departure from one’s system of beliefs should not translate into a complete annihilation from their families.
 Secondly, that limited contact safe guarded the fundamental principles of family structure and the gift of free will. Anyone who’ve read the original article initially publish about how to deal with dis-fellowship relatives will know that dis-fellow shipping DOES NOT break family ties. It was clearly written in in that article. September 15 1981 Questions from readers.
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 Joe says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:20 am
 
The September 15 1981 article has two parts to it. The first deals with how to treat dis-fellowship people in general and the second part deals with relatives in particular. However, i’ve heard people saying for a very long time that families of dis-fellowship relatives are not allow to actively seek association with them just for the sake of it but should only contact them when it’s absolutely necessary. Thats far from the truth. The article in itself was not deterministic nor conclusive or lay blanket rules about those matters. Rather what it sought to achieve was to lay general principles. For example, can you invite a dis-fellowship relative for a wedding at the hall? Again, there isnt a yes or no answer. Highly discretional with the following principles in mind. The article states ” We cannot say whether a dis-fellowship relative should attend the wedding but it’ll be up to those involve to resolve”. Sept. 15 1981 Pages 26-31. Can a disfellowship person attend the reception? Well the answer lay bare in the principles that it brought out. Because the fellowship person may be more likely to seek to associate with people which includes other witnesses attending the reception it MAY be best for them not to attend. Another thing that need to be taken into account is how will other invitee’s to the occasion feel about seeing a disfellowship person around. Sept. 15 1981 Pages 26-31. Again principles in play, even though this answer leans more toward a no from a sound judgement perspective, its not conclusive, it doesn’t categorical say no or yes. The answer lies on a case by case basis because all scenarios cannot possibly be thought off or written about due to it infeasibility. Again the overriding principle was if you chose to associate with a DISFELLOWSHIP RELATIVE, keep it to the minimum; with no conditions attached to the minimum association or contact rule.
 I believe a sudden twist in policy violates two fundamental principles. The gift of free-will and the cohesiveness of the family structure. The assumption that underpins that policy is “ All witnesses children will have only two options, become a witness and remain in the family circle or have a different view and be thrown out”. Having said that I also have strong reservations about dis-associated people been classified in the dis-fellowshipped category again because it violates the principles of free will. That’s probably one of the reasons why mankind weren’t created as robots but humans.
 Point two, I don’t always agree with cedars on all published articles but a few. One of the few common grounds we share is the issue of disfellowshipped relatives and the application of Lev. 10:1-6 on disfellowship relatives. Anyone reading this passage will know that this passage was a specific instance where Jehovah executed divine judgement. It was not carryout through proxies and henceforth applying that scripture to relatives of disfellowshipped people or persons is just not fit for purpose.
 Finally cedar mention that masturbation is not explicitly prohibited in the scriptures. Cedars you’re right there isn’t a scripture that specifically prohibits masturbation but as a MST graduate you should know that there are principles that cover that subject. For example if you turn the pages of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation you’ll not find a single verse or passage that says “ do not smoke” however there are principles that governs. Paul said don’t take in anything that’ll harm your body (that passage cover smoking). As Christians we are admonish to keep morally and mentally clean and of course masturbating will NOT be consistent with that principle.
More to come……………………
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 Searcher says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:24 pm
 
OK Joe,
You say, “Finally cedar mention that masturbation is not explicitly prohibited in the scriptures. Cedars you’re right there isn’t a scripture that specifically prohibits masturbation but as a MST graduate you should know that there are principles that cover that subject. For example if you turn the pages of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation you’ll not find a single verse or passage that says “ do not smoke” however there are principles that governs. Paul said don’t take in anything that’ll harm your body (that passage cover smoking). ”
This topic is very intriguing to me. I can’t help but bite! Please explain to me,with actual facts, how a normal human bodily function, whether self-induced or through a partner, has the same deadly danger as using tobacco. Yes, I agree tobacco is bad for you. There is factual proof it leads to cancer and other breathing disease. However, I don’t agree that masturbation is bad for a persons psyche. Some people will say, “Well, it makes you selfish.”, “It turns you into a perv”, “It gives you hairy palms and dark circles under your eyes.”, and it can go down from there. Well, there is no proof of that. I just want to know why organized religion (an not just JW’s, but overzealous Christians, Jews, and Muslims) have such a hang up on a sexually oriented topic like this? I just want to hear a fact-proven explanation about how masturbation is deadly as tobacco. Oh yeah, and don’t try using that greek-to-cult translation of pornea either. That dog don’t hunt!!! That definition has been stretched and pulled like salt-water taffy by the WTBTS to suit their control freak needs.
If these two acts are deadly sins, then quit breathing without a gas mask! There is chemical and radiological pollution, germs, and virus in the air. These are natural acts of our bodies too and can have harmful effects when taken into our bodies. No rule on using a gas mask in the bible, but the principle is there. Right?
I am a very skeptical mind that would like to be enlightened with factual evidence other than partial verses from the bible woven together as a collage to fit a preferred outcome. (This should be good!)
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 Ejecting to Sanity says:

 June 6, 2016 at 11:52 pm
 
Heinous. Hateful. Unconscionable. WT has reached their own hell. Shame on them.
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 Doc Obvious says:

 June 10, 2016 at 7:28 am
 
The act of shunning is a form of bullying. I hate when people bully people into submission to a cause. Kids bully other kids at school. It is a very juvenile situation. Shunning people for different ideas or actions is very juvenile.
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 Scrubmaster says:

 June 10, 2016 at 9:27 am
 
Here is the most fascinating thing about the shunning and dis-fellow shipping the Org does. A family will treat a love one as dead for years and years per the organization. Parents have shun their children for years as required. Then when these same parents face financial difficulties, guess what the org, says they should do? They should contact the one’s(children) they have shunned for years for financial support. The supposed biblical basis for this is based on a scripture 1 Tim 5:8 “Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” But if a shunned love one is supposed to be treated as dead. Why can they be ask for financial support? Why doesn’t the congregation help the parents who have follow directions and shunned their children and provide financial support if it is need? Truly a case of applying scriptures in a way that benefits the organization. All the while mis-applying the scriptures about dis-fellow shipping, Shunning and apostasy(to the benefit of the org of course).
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 hagblay says:

 June 11, 2016 at 11:34 pm
 
They shun because they are desperate to keep fear into the hearts of those still there. Thousands will leave after this summer has sunk in. The watchtower will do anything to keep people in those seats. It is over for the control they have on people. They are going to leave because it is now hitting their families. Parents do not want more problems than they already have. The watchtower old school hold on people is over. The control is not working.These 8 old roosters in Brooklyn see the hand writing on the wall. These 8 roosters walk around with so much authority- Their heads up in the air.They act like they can walk on water. At one time the flock thought they could walk on water.No more. Those roosters will sink if they try to walk on water.No longer are they the cock of the walk.A lot of the die hards still cling to this nonsense, but it is not working. Something is wrong. The flock knows something is wrong but they are too scared to try to find out. So sad. Brainwashed zombies. A Jim Jones waiting to happen. Get out while there is still time- Flee to any where there is safety.Flee for your lives.Take your children with you. This is a wicked cult and you may go down with it. Desperate people do desperate things.
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 hagblay says:

 June 11, 2016 at 11:44 pm
 
People flee for your lives. Get outta there while the getting is good. Pain and suffering will be rampant if you try to stay. Its not worth it. Jim Jones stopped his people from fleeing didn’t he? Who is it to say the wt wont try the same method. Desperate business do desperate things. They want to stay in business but at your expense. So flee while there is time. Flee to any place but to a kingdom hall. Flee to a church because the church will take you in. Kingdom halls will not take you in unless you have proved your self worthy. Get outta there my people while there is still time. In the name of common sense flee. Run-walk-crawl- whatever you can get out but get out. Don’t be a statistic of a dead person. Brooklyn only cares for themselves- They do not care for you. Time has proven that. So FLEE> GET OUT
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The Friday Column: What it means to be a Jehovah’s Witness
Posted on June 2, 2016
 
sophia-mom2There’s been a lot of buzz lately surrounding the new video release from JW.org featuring the characters “Caleb and Sophia.” The video series is called “Be Jehovah’s Friend” and aims to indoctrinate children into the Witness religion. Watchtower has obviously watched the children’s entertainment market for quite some time before launching their own copycat version, as the animation style of the shorts is extremely reminiscent of modern-day children’s blockbusters.
This new episode was themed around the condemnation of homosexuality and it was met with some harsh criticism by a number of people. Rightly so in my view, as it teaches children to use guilt to control their peer’s thoughts and feelings about homosexuality. They are instructed to hang the hope of entry into a paradise earth over the heads of classmates with same-sex parents.
The dead horse
readImageThis whole fiasco brings an age old debate into the forefront of our minds: is homosexuality a choice? I, for one, have already seen enough evidence that strongly suggests homosexuality is not a choice. I don’t see the debate as really open anymore, but nonetheless it’s still a routinely discussed topic. I believe this is largely due to outfits such as the Watchtower who keep bringing up an already settled issue.
But for the sake of argument, let’s say that it is a choice. Even if that were true how does that make it OK to demand that people with homosexual behaviors change? If two people of the same sex love each other just as much as two people of the opposite sex, what’s the measurable harm caused by that relationship? More to the point, does trying to suppress one’s sexuality cause harm? Lets examine below.
High control
images-3To illustrate: what if you were promised a reward by stopping the use of your favorite colors in favor of others chosen by someone else? What if you were threatened with punishment if you didn’t? If that ever happened you could stop using them, but you’d have an extremely difficult time ceasing your preference for them.
Anyone who asked this of you would no doubt be interested in controlling you on a fundamental level. They would have no interest in you having control over your own future, but would rather control your future themselves.
It’s the same when a group tells you that you are required to change your sexuality if you wish to join. It means they want you to join the same hyper-controlling structure they are currently in. And it’s never just your sexuality a cult wants you to change, it will be more or less every aspect of your life.
What’s in the bag?
metaphor2The knockoff animation uses a metaphor to explain how homosexuals can change. It speaks of a man who’s trying to catch a plane and is stopped at a security checkpoint. He is asked to leave behind his bag because it contains items that are prohibited. Homosexuality is therefore likened to something you can simply put in a bag and leave behind.
This metaphor can be used to explain all types of requirements that being a Jehovah’s Witness entails. Again, it’s not just your sexuality that you must “leave behind” when you become a Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is, in essence, your past self that resides within the bag. The Witnesses speak about putting on a “new personality.” You are supposed to change into a completely different person. Meaning you must change your hopes, dreams, life aspirations, your view of the world and existence in general.
You must also “leave behind” your moral framework, as accepting the JW faith means justifying the atrocities mentioned in the Bible. As a child I had an extremely hard time accepting the stories of mass slaughter and mayhem orchestrated by a supposed “all-loving” creator. In order to be accepted in my community I had to align my world view to one where the wholesale slaughter of women and children was sometimes the right thing to do. That innate gut instinct telling me it was wrong was expected to be dismissed.
Among the vast array of things you must leave behind to become a Jehovah’s Witness are your cultural roots. You are expected to join their culture and for the most part forsake your own. A good example of this is the Witnesses curious aversion to long hair on men. There are many cultures that venerate this hairstyle on men and boys. Some families cherish this tradition, but to be a JW they are forced to rethink the wisdom of such a decision. For example, they hear things like this at their meetings:

“One sister working in a store was somewhat frightened by the physical appearance of a regular customer. Nevertheless, when the appropriate occasion arose, she tried to witness to him about God’s promised Paradise. He brusquely replied that he did not believe in fairy tales and that he was a hippie and drug addict. But she did not give up. One day he asked her what she thought about his long hair, so she tactfully explained what the Bible says on the matter. (1 Cor. 11:14) To her pleasant surprise, the next day he was clean-shaven and had short hair! He asked for a Bible study, which a brother was happy to conduct, and progressed to dedication and baptism. Like this man, many who are serving Jehovah today are grateful for the impartial, persistent efforts of those who brought them the Kingdom message.” – Our Kingdom Ministry, July 4th 2004
In this example they claim to show how cutting off your long hair, as a male, is an instruction from the Bible and something that occurs before baptism. According to the March 2016 Watchtower Study Edition baptism as a Jehovah’s Witness is not only “the greatest privilege any human could have”, but also “a vital step toward gaining salvation.” Meaning that if you don’t change your lifestyle habits, even down to the way you wear your hair, you will not survive the coming Armageddon.
Everything you ever were is in that bag, and they tell you to leave it behind. That is the hallmark of a mind control cult.
BITE control
manipulation-puppetIn the Watchtower animation the mother tells her child that homosexuals can “change.” Returning to the color analogy, if someone really did stop using their favorite color, under threat of punishment or promise of reward, that doesn’t mean they’ve changed. It only means they’ve conformed to a set of behaviors because of a certain desired outcome. Such “change” only proves that people can be manipulated with threats and promises. That is no amazing truth that deserves to be the lesson of a children’s video.
Destructive cults seek to control the behaviors, information, thoughts and emotions of their members. (See the BITE Model as created by cult expert Steve Hassan.) Requiring a homosexual to change meets each and every one of those criteria. They require conformity to their views on “by-design” sexual behavior. They require rejecting all the exhaustive scientific studies that conclusively prove that one’s sexuality is natural. They also dictate which thoughts are acceptable, and demean any individuals who exhibit the “wrong” ones.
The BITE model is often employed by people who claim to be simply protecting those they love. But in reality if anyone uses this type of undue influence you can be sure their true priority is the total control of other people; usually to create workers for their cause.
Be yourself
It’s true that outside of the world of Jehovah’s Witnesses, we are often bombarded by the message of “be yourself.” Individuality is a recurring theme in all forms of media, whether it’s a play, TV show, a movie or a book. It’s become a cliché at this point, but I still think it’s a worthy sentiment. Considering there are groups out there who seek to dominate your mind, body and spirit by way of child indoctrination, it’s no wonder many have felt it necessary to send such a positive counter-message, especially to vulnerable and impressional children.
No matter what the Watchtower says, there is more than one destination. I would strongly suggest finding a new flight that lets you take your bag with you.
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51 Responses to The Friday Column: What it means to be a Jehovah’s Witness

 Jill Hileman says:

 June 3, 2016 at 2:02 pm
 
I had nearly forgotten the phrase “new personality” after being out 18 years. Wow, the memory rush.
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 Oubliette says:

 June 3, 2016 at 2:23 pm
 
James, I always enjoy your articles. This one was really well reasoned and argued.
I would however disagree with your comment that “being yourself” is cliché. Nothing could be more important than figuring out who we are as individuals and then living that authentic life.
This is of course the last thing that any high-control, authoritarian cult wants.
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 JBob says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:44 pm
 
@oubliette – I believe James, if I may defend his article, was stating the same which you stated in conclusion, which is “being yourself” and “living authentic” is vital. It is cliche in that the secular media throws it around like parade confetti, and it really should be viewed as precious gold.
It is an article like this that answers the oft posed question here when visitors understandably ask “what’s the big deal with the Watchtower and leaving it? Just get over it”.
This is like asking a traveler who checked a bag at an airport locker but now has no recollection which city, which airport nor which locker to deplane and collect their bag and resume where they embarked.
It’s worse for someone who has never had the freedom to explore and “discover” themselves–growing up in a BITE model. A baby born on the plane, which now has to find the bags their parents left in an nondescript locker, in an unknown airport, in an unknown city. Fair reason to see why it is so difficult for persons to even think about leaving the Watchtower–a daunting adventure, an intimidating one as well. Fair reason why so many of us fumble, fall, get wounded, try again, fall, stumble and keep trying “2 get through this thing called life” (“Let’s Go Crazy”, RPN)
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 June 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm
 
“Be Jehovah’s Friend”
*** w68 2/1 p. 71 Shocking Religious Persecution in Malawi ***
 They have been robbed, over a thousand women have been raped, men have been beaten unconscious and a number of them have been killed. Where? In Malawi, a narrow, landlocked country in Central Africa, somewhat to the southeast.
Yes, it seems getting a baptism as a Jehovah’s Witness is not only “the greatest privilege any human could have”, but also “a vital step toward gaining salvation.” EVEN WHEN it calls for being raped!!
Do you think Malawi’s Jehovah’s Witnesses were more stupid than the rest of the world? If you think so, you need to reconsider your Bible Understanding:
Bible says: (1 Corinthians 1:27) . . .but God chose the foolish things of the world to put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world to put the strong things to shame. . .
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 Markie says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:13 pm
 
I guess this may be construed as an attack but some times your posts are just off topic or just plain ridiculous. So now your blaming the JWs for rapes that happened in Malawi almost fifty years ago? And yes I know all about the Mexico\Malawi controversy. I guess maybe you have taken a lesson from Donald Trump.
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 Minion says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:34 pm
 
Greetings to all,
@ M,
The scenario above ‘Be Jehovah’s friend’, which expression fits best:
a). Wait on Jehovah,
B). It must have been Jehovah’s hand,
c). I think we need to talk to the elders,
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Peace out,
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 June 4, 2016 at 2:56 am
 
@ Markie,
*** w68 2/1 p. 71 Shocking Religious Persecution in Malawi ***
 In another place one night a group of these Christians was awakened by Congress Party officials. The men were beaten and slashed with sticks and pangas [machetes] and then were forced to look on while ten of their women were raped. Two of the women were pregnant, one of whom later had a miscarriage as a result.
From that if you cannot tell ” What it means to be a Jehovah’s Witness” all you will be able to tell is that my comments are “off topic”!
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 Markie says:

 June 4, 2016 at 4:27 pm
 
If we use your logic then when a gay person gets beaten to death it has nothing to do with the thugs that did the beating it’s the gay persons fault. He or she caused the perceived threat to the thugs. Shame you.
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 dee2 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:28 pm
 
@Markie:
Not quite sure what your counter-argument is, however, my question to you is this:
How could the WT not be complicit when they applied a policy that called on ordinary people, men, women and children, to face loss of home and lands, endure beatings, torture, rape and death because of refusal to pay a legal fee for the card of the organization that is, to all intents and purposes, the ruling power of their country, Malawi, while at the same time the WT told men in another country – Mexico – that it is acceptable for them to bribe military officers for a card that falsely states they fulfilled their military service and are in the first reserves of the army?
The WT believed the position taken in Mexico, allowing JW men to exercise their personal conscience with regard to obtaining a military certificate (even illegally through bribes) to be acceptable. There, in Mexico, JW men could be members of the first reserves of the army and still be Circuit or District Overseers or members of the Bethel family. The WT made decisions regarding Mexico and the practice of bribing there, leaving it to the individual conscience, and so it was acceptable that a man could pay such bribe for a military certificate and still be used in the most responsible way, with no need for particular concern before God on the part of those directing the work there.
The WT should certainly have accorded to the JWs in Malawi the same right to exercise their conscience in a matter that involved no bribing, no illegality, no falsification but rather the payment of a legal price in a lawful way for a party card of the government running the country. Instead, the WT turned a blind eye to the obvious disparity between the position in Mexico and that taken in Malawi.
The WT accepted the Mexico policy allowing the twenty-year-old policy in Mexico to continue in effect while simultaneously insisting upon a totally different standard for the JWs in Malawi and elsewhere. If the WT had allowed the JWs in Malawi the same right to exercise their conscience as the JWs in Mexico, then it could be said that WT was not complicit in the intense suffering of the JWs in Malawi. But since the WT did not, but instead turned a blind eye and allowed a double standard, then they are complicit in the intense suffering of the JWs in Malawi. The WT was insensitive to the consequences to people from such a double standard and are therefore complicit. The WT turned a blind eye to the inconsistency in all of this and its effect on people’s lives.

 
 
 
 Markie says:

 June 4, 2016 at 4:29 pm
 
If we use your logic then when a gay person gets beaten to death it has nothing to do with the thugs that did the beating it’s the gay persons fault. He or she caused the perceived threat to the thugs. How shameful of you.
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 dee2 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:29 pm
 
@Markie:
Not quite sure what your counter-argument is, however, my question to you is this:
How could the WT not be complicit when they applied a policy that called on ordinary people, men, women and children, to face loss of home and lands, endure beatings, torture, rape and death because of refusal to pay a legal fee for the card of the organization that is, to all intents and purposes, the ruling power of their country, Malawi, while at the same time the WT told men in another country – Mexico – that it is acceptable for them to bribe military officers for a card that falsely states they fulfilled their military service and are in the first reserves of the army?
The WT believed the position taken in Mexico, allowing JW men to exercise their personal conscience with regard to obtaining a military certificate (even illegally through bribes) to be acceptable. There, in Mexico, JW men could be members of the first reserves of the army and still be Circuit or District Overseers or members of the Bethel family. The WT made decisions regarding Mexico and the practice of bribing there, leaving it to the individual conscience, and so it was acceptable that a man could pay such bribe for a military certificate and still be used in the most responsible way, with no need for particular concern before God on the part of those directing the work there.
The WT should certainly have accorded to the JWs in Malawi the same right to exercise their conscience in a matter that involved no bribing, no illegality, no falsification but rather the payment of a legal price in a lawful way for a party card of the government running the country. Instead, the WT turned a blind eye to the obvious disparity between the position in Mexico and that taken in Malawi.
The WT accepted the Mexico policy allowing the twenty-year-old policy in Mexico to continue in effect while simultaneously insisting upon a totally different standard for the JWs in Malawi and elsewhere. If the WT had allowed the JWs in Malawi the same right to exercise their conscience as the JWs in Mexico, then it could be said that WT was not complicit in the intense suffering of the JWs in Malawi. But since the WT did not, but instead turned a blind eye and allowed a double standard, then they are complicit in the intense suffering of the JWs in Malawi. The WT was insensitive to the consequences to people from such a double standard and are therefore complicit. The WT turned a blind eye to the inconsistency in all of this and its effect on people’s lives.

 
 
 
 
 nullandvoidboy says:

 June 4, 2016 at 4:58 am
 
@Markie…..Why do I see Hakizimana’s point?….though off topic….why, even when you have the full story about the Mexico/Malawi difference, do you not see the responsibility that WT had in rapes and murders in Malawi????……it’s called being COMPLICIT….no, they didn’t have to physically be a part of the mob scene that carried those crimes…..they just cultivated the fertile ground for these atrocities to happen in Malawi, that’s all??!! COMPLICIT…look up the word.
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 Markie says:

 June 4, 2016 at 4:15 pm
 
So according to your logic if a woman wears a short skirt and gets raped it’s her fault for wearing the skirt and one could say it’s also the fault of the manufacturer of the skirt as they “cultivated the fertile grounds” for the rape to happen. Your logic and for that matter Jean’s is shameful. Or maybe your hatred has caused you to be illogical. May I suggest therapy?
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 dee2 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm
 
@Markie:
Not quite sure what your counter-argument is, however, my question to you is this:
How could the WT not be complicit when they applied a policy that called on ordinary people, men, women and children, to face loss of home and lands, endure beatings, torture, rape and death because of refusal to pay a legal fee for the card of the organization that is, to all intents and purposes, the ruling power of their country, Malawi, while at the same time the WT told men in another country – Mexico – that it is acceptable for them to bribe military officers for a card that falsely states they fulfilled their military service and are in the first reserves of the army?
The WT believed the position taken in Mexico, allowing JW men to exercise their personal conscience with regard to obtaining a military certificate (even illegally through bribes) to be acceptable. There, in Mexico, JW men could be members of the first reserves of the army and still be Circuit or District Overseers or members of the Bethel family. The WT made decisions regarding Mexico and the practice of bribing there, leaving it to the individual conscience, and so it was acceptable that a man could pay such bribe for a military certificate and still be used in the most responsible way, with no need for particular concern before God on the part of those directing the work there.
The WT should certainly have accorded to the JWs in Malawi the same right to exercise their conscience in a matter that involved no bribing, no illegality, no falsification but rather the payment of a legal price in a lawful way for a party card of the government running the country. Instead, the WT turned a blind eye to the obvious disparity between the position in Mexico and that taken in Malawi.
The WT accepted the Mexico policy allowing the twenty-year-old policy in Mexico to continue in effect while simultaneously insisting upon a totally different standard for the JWs in Malawi and elsewhere. If the WT had allowed the JWs in Malawi the same right to exercise their conscience as the JWs in Mexico, then it could be said that WT was not complicit in the intense suffering of the JWs in Malawi. But since the WT did not, but instead turned a blind eye and allowed a double standard, then they are complicit in the intense suffering of the JWs in Malawi. The WT was insensitive to the consequences to people from such a double standard and are therefore complicit. The WT turned a blind eye to the inconsistency in all of this and its effect on people’s lives.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Don Leske says:

 June 3, 2016 at 3:15 pm
 
So, this blog or group of individuals say: “RELIGIOUS NEUTRALITY – Do not post comments that are evangelical in nature or may be construed as imposing one person’s religious beliefs (or lack thereof) over those of another.” – Funny, comments not of the moderators liking are tossed out? Whether construed as imposing one person’s religious beliefs (or lack thereof) over those of another… would be a comment you cannot allow in your atheistic evil slave class blog?
The only people it seems that reads this vile post or article are ex-JWs who feel guilty about being kicked out or not being a part of those friendly kind people who only talk about Love, Joy, Peace, Long Suffering etc.
Homosexuality? Yes, if you do not believe in the Bible then you can condone just about anything.
Why do you all keep spending your whole lives fighting against JWs, do these people mean that much to you? Do you not have anything better to do?
“And so now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nothing: But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it; lest haply you be found even to fight against God.” Acts
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 Imgonaburn says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:14 pm
 
Methinks the lady doth protest too much…
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 Telescopium says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:23 pm
 
Don,
 You ask:
“Why do you all keep spending your whole lives fighting against JWs, do these people mean that much to you? Do you not have anything better to do?”
Many of the writers, moderators, and commenters on this site have made themselves available to listen to JWs (both former and current) express themselves in ways that would be extremely difficult or painful in any congregational setting. If someone has doubts about the overlapping generation or J.F. Rutherford’s spotless reputation or any other topic, where can they ask for straightforward answers? The elders? I tried. In the end I only scared them. They weren’t even interested in the scriptures I found. That’s when I realized there is no avenue to say “I don’t think I believe that.”
This website provides that needed path.
So stick around for a while. Just keep it clean and don’t be rude… It would look really bad if the only nasty person in the room was an active Witness. Okay?
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 Big B says:

 June 3, 2016 at 4:35 pm
 
@ Don Leske:
So saith the Jehovah’s Witness apologist whose own coveted “time” must be wasted trying to convince “apostates” on an “apostate site” that their opinions are not worthy of expression.
Yes, they (J.W.’s) talk about “Love, Joy, Peace, Long suffering, etc.” except they don’t practice it. Why? Because they are pedophile protecting perverts that distort the scriptures to fit their own agenda.
And what is their agenda? To make Watchtower dupes of everyone so they can “cold call” the world as salesmen of a doomsday cult; oh and get their money, especially their money. “Advertise, advertise, advertise the King and his Kingdom”-J.F. Rutherford (2nd President of the WTBTS). ‘Oh by the way, while your advertising, on your own dime, be sure to sell my books’ saith the drunken sot.
In answer to your statement of fighting J.W.’s (and I think I can speak for most on this site) our fight isn’t with J.W.’s (all of us were once J.W.’s with many years in servitude) but with the idiotic governing body and their money grubbing WBTS corporation of Pharisaic Rules and ever changing doctrines. Both of which prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are not backed by Jehovah’s Holy Spirit but are, in fact, a part of Babylon the Great and the evil slave class. Their involvement as a NGO of the United Nations for 10 years proves as much since being outed by the Guardian newspaper! Oh, you didn’t hear that?! Since you obviously have no trouble with your conscience visiting apostate web sites I left you some information on their involvement, if you dare to look at it.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php
And don’t get me started about the multi-million dollar payouts to child molestation victims that went unnoticed, and unresolved by their elders thus putting the congregation and the general public in danger by not reporting these incidents to the proper authorities.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jehovahs-witness-accuses-church-hiding-child-abusers-congregations/story?id=29586778


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 JBob says:

 June 3, 2016 at 5:14 pm
 
Acts 5:38-39, if your going to quote, please use the references.
Tell me, where can I find such a big, broad generalizing paint brush that you seem to wield?
“The only people it seems that reads this vile post or article are ex-JWs who feel guilty about being kicked out or not being a part of those friendly kind people who only talk about Love, Joy, Peace, Long Suffering etc.”
I’d say many folks reading weren’t kicked out, but fed up and disgusted and some have stopped lending support to a corrupt and vile system. And, a few were violated by this system in physical and emotional manners that your callous remarks carelessly rip open scars and wounds.
There are some quiet devout JW’s who are here because it’s an outlet to vent frustration with the direction of “new light” or leadership, since the system is top-down only governance.
But, let’s dissect this Acts chapter 5 you threw at us for the bit of non sequitor in it. Ananias sells some land and brings the money to Peter and the apostles; no where in the beginning of this story does it tells us that Ananias tells the apostles this is the full price of the land. The only liar is Sapphira in the context of the details. As we go through this chapter it becomes clear that this was the credentialing for the apostles–the miracles, the signs, the wonders, and Gamaliel pleading to let these guys alone, lest they be fighting against God.
Yet, all over the internet blogs and videos have already shattered any claim to apostolic credentials of the Watchtower’s human leadership in countless discussions and approaches. Fire has already come down and consumed the altars, I suppose we’re waiting for the casting down to the dogs?
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 June 3, 2016 at 10:30 pm
 
So true JBob. Might I add also that the account in acts 5 (v 28-30) includes the legalistic, controlling, self-righteous Pharisees commanding the apostles to keep silent. So who fits that description today? When you leave you have to stay silent, or be silenced – the consequence of a raft of emotionally manipulative threats and measures that have been Implemented expressly for that purpose – to silence those who leave from speaking the real truth, discussing facts and exposing this cult for what it is. That’s why I and so many others come here, because it gives us a voice (the silent majority!)
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 Minion says:

 June 3, 2016 at 6:21 pm
 
Greetings to all,
@ D,
Your assessment seems to be one of a JW newbie.
You comments lack substance and conjecture.
To win your brother over ‘using the power of reasoning’, please prove and explain to all active, Bible students and ex-jws, why The Watchtower Corporation has failed with so many predictions. If it’s the sole channel Jehovah is using.
If any astute Bible student and active JWs, really wants to ‘make the truth there own’ then you need to go outside the box. In the business world its call “perform a due diligence” on whatever the category of interest.
You go to a Porsche dealership to find out it’s performance, and its limits.
Perhaps, you then decide to ask questions on a Ferrari Testarosa, and take a test drive. You compare both vehicles, but, one you will decide to buy “based on the information and the due diligence you gathered”. Outside the box, which The Watchtower Corporation prohibits.
 Have you ever wonder, why?
The same is true with all religions. You research outside the box, and you find out it’s not pretty.
That’s why, JWSurvey has evolved into an out reach program to, many active JWs, Bible students and ex-jws. The no spin zone.
If you can win over your brother, even one, then it’s worth the fight!
* * Support The Worldwide Work * *
Peace out,
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 Julien says:

 June 3, 2016 at 6:23 pm
 
The bible is nothing more than a fairy tale. An old archaic book to which people have given way too much power and it has lead to enormous conflicts. I will fight any controlling, brainwashing, indoctrinating, destructive and divisive religion every step of the way. Why? Because someone has to stand up to people like you.
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 Minion says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm
 
Greetings to all,
@ D,
Be sure to turn in your field service time of 15 minutes, and
 3 million+ return visits, and be sure to thank JWsurvey for this platform for you to extend your ministry where the need is greater.
* * Support The Worldwide Work”
Peace out,
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 4, 2016 at 5:30 am
 
@Don
“Why do you all keep spending your whole lives fighting against JWs, do these people mean that much to you? Do you not have anything better to do?”
Woman who have been raped often join/support rape awareness programs, adults who were molested as children join support groups, folks who have lost loved ones due to drunk driving join organizations like MADD and similar.
Would you say to these folks: “don’t you have anything better to do?” We have been manipulated and controlled by the Watchtower organization. Some have been mentally abused; others physically and sexually abused. We come here for support and to do what we can to raise awareness about this dangerous cult.
“Do these people mean that much to you?” YES! For many of us our wives, husbands, children, parents, friends, etc. are still trapped in this cult and we want to see them get free. We want our families back. We want our lives back.
If you can’t understand that, then you simply don’t understand what it means to be human.
WS
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 dee2 says:

 June 4, 2016 at 7:27 am
 
@Don Leske:
“Homosexuality? Yes, if you do not believe in the Bible then you can condone just about anything.”
If one is to believe in the Bible then killing homosexuals, paedophilia, child abuse, incest, rape, killing a rape victim and human trafficking/fathers pimping their daughters would be right, so would slavery and killing disobedient children. The Bible is not the best source for morality.
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 June 4, 2016 at 9:56 am
 
@Don Leske,
 May I ask a question? (1) What do you mean by “The only people it seems that reads this vile post or article are ex-JWs who feel guilty about being kicked out or not being a part of those friendly kind people who only talk about Love, Joy, Peace, Long Suffering etc.”
(2) Have you read the article or you have dreamt about it!
If you have read the article, I am afraid you are in ex-jws whom you have described in your comments (kicked out, guilty…)!
But, if you have dreamt about the article, I invite you to read the following and ponder the content:
*** w86 1/1 p. 13 par. 12 Days Like “the Days of Noah” ***
Shocking as it is, even some who have been prominent in Jehovah’s organization have succumbed to immoral practices, including homosexuality, wife swapping, and child molesting. It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation, the greater number of them for practicing immorality
Sex, sex and sex is JWs’ everyday spiritual meal
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 rob says:

 June 3, 2016 at 3:22 pm
 
I totally agree with your point that becoming a witness means leaving behind your cultural roots, your dreams and aspirations, your talents, your desire to learn and study in college or university, your non witness family, and in essence your entire self.
You must become a clone.
On the surface you will dress the same, speak the same, look the same and you will forever have that plastic smile on your face to show others how happy you are to be a witness.
Underneath all of this will be your inner struggle that tugs away at your mind and heart telling you that all is not right, that your talents and likes and dislikes, and your entire self is being suppressed and squashed.
The end result for many could be a feeling of emptiness, despair, or an underlying sadness lurking just below the transparent smile which I myself saw in the faces of so many witnesses.
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 Holly Chu says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:16 pm
 
Rob, such an insightful and empathetic comment on the whole JW experience. Hopes and dreams dashed, lives wasted…..
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 June 3, 2016 at 10:37 pm
 
So eloquently expressed Rob, describes me to a tee and everything I surrendered at the age of 24 to join. As the years went by I found it harder to leave that bag behind and I increasingly resented being conditioned to always be representing “Jehovah and his organisation” wherever and whenever I was, in everything I did. As I became more and more uncomfortable with the policies and teachings I was meant to be representing I finally woke up and jettisoned them. Now I am just relieved, happy and proud to be representing nobody else but me. The real me, the authentic me!
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 Holly Chu says:

 June 3, 2016 at 7:04 pm
 
The main problem with all these control issues in my opinion is with those children born into the cult. They have no control over their early life and subjection to endless brain numbing mind control at weekly meetings. The endless indoctrination causes cognitive dissonnance lasting years, if not for life. For so many years when I was active, and some one called JW a cult, I vehemently said absolutely not! Well guess what, after the slightest bit of education (something the WT despises) , I now realize they are the poster child for cult like behavior.
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 rob says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:31 am
 
It is true that for many children born into the witness religion, the indoctrination causes them to be wary of anything or anyone outside of the organization. They are in many cases afraid to venture outside of the confines of the “compound” and you are correct they will defend the cult, only because that is all they really know.
The powers that be know that education will cause many of these children to perhaps take a peek at what lies outside of the boundaries of the compound.
But the powers that be in the religion put in a quick fix for this problem. Higher education is not necessary, could be harmful due to bad association and is highly frowned upon and also no privileges for those that don’t adhere to this policy.
And now with the reinforcement on shunning, it appears that the walls of the watchtower are getting higher and higher and more difficult to climb out of.
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 mamaditto says:

 June 3, 2016 at 8:47 pm
 
The ex-gays who I am acquainted with would take issue with the truth about homosexuality being equated with “indoctrination.” While it’s true that we don’t choose how we feel, we do have control over our behavioral responses to our feelings. Someone may be inclined toward a bad temper. We would expect that person to learn to control his temper via anger management. Likewise, someone may be predisposed to obesity. That does not mean they are destined to be fat all their life. It just means they may have to work harder at diet and exercise than the average individual. Why should human sexuality be any different? It’s not hardwired and can be quite fluid during a person’s lifetime. (Prison populations bear this out.)
 Folks, the WTBTS is a pseudo-Christian cult, but let’s not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Homosexuality is a sin. The Scriptures support that view, Jesus supports that view, the Early Church Fathers support that view. It’s only during the past generation that homoerotic activists have invaded the church with their strategy to overthrow Judeo-Christian morality.
 I suggest that James Strait google NARTH and also the Restored Hope Network for a solid clinical and spiritual discussion of the etiology of homosexual development and how people of faith can and have dealt with a condition that is statistically proven to shorten one’s lifespan.
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 James Strait says:

 June 3, 2016 at 9:20 pm
 
Hello mammadito, thanks for your comment. Anger isn’t always necessarily wrong. There are situations that genuinely call for anger. It must be managed in the same way as something like sexuality. There is an appropriate context for anger and there is an inappropriate. You can’t equate anger management with celibacy. That’s what calling homosexuality a sin calls for.
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 Paul Brinkman says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:37 pm
 
Thanks for the professional remarks like “Pseudo-christian cult” = WTBTS
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 Victor says:

 June 4, 2016 at 1:12 am
 
Where Jesus support the idea that homosexuality is a sin?
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 Hakizimana Jean de Dieu says:

 June 4, 2016 at 3:12 am
 
@mamaditto,
You say “Homosexuality is a sin. The Scriptures support that view, Jesus supports that view, the Early Church Fathers support that view.”
Well, “The Scriptures support” this, too:
 (Deuteronomy 13:6-11) . . .“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife or your closest companion should try to entice you in secrecy, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ gods that neither you nor your forefathers have known, 7 from the gods of the peoples all around you, whether near you or those far away from you, from one end of the land to the other end of the land, 8 you must not give in to him or listen to him, nor should you show pity or feel compassion or protect him; 9 instead, you should kill him without fail. Your hand should be the first to come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward. 10 And you must stone him to death, because he has sought to turn you away from Jehovah your God, who has brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and become afraid, and they will never again do anything bad like this among you.
That’s “What it means to be a Jehovah’s Witness”, are you ready to stone “your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or your cherished wife” just because “The Scriptures support” it?
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 dee2 says:

 June 4, 2016 at 7:45 am
 
@mamaditto:
According to reports, some homosexuals have tried fighting their inclination/tendency using conversion therapy, prayer, faith and repentance. This approach has, however, not worked for everyone – for example, according tohttp://www.livescience.com/37641-gay-conversion-ministry-shuts-down.html:
“Exodus International, a Christian ministry that long promoted gay conversion therapy, is shutting its doors and apologizing to the gay community for “years of undue judgment.” ”
See also:http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/exodus-international-shutdown/
****”Judeo-Christian morality.”
As I stated above, the Bible is not the best source for morality. If one is to follow the Bible then killing homosexuals, paedophilia, child abuse, incest, rape, killing a rape victim and human trafficking/fathers pimping their daughters would be right, so would slavery and killing disobedient children.
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 Paul Brinkman says:

 June 3, 2016 at 11:34 pm
 
There are a lot of believers who are no part more of the Watchtower mankind religion but still believing in the 10 commands. So many people not shall defend your meaning, opinion and even not share it. People are free to express but it not means that we need to accept it as true and right lifestyle. Is JWsurvey the morality standard for JW’s or Ex-Jw’s?
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 Imgonaburn says:

 June 4, 2016 at 3:52 am
 
It doesn’t mention homosexuality in the Ten Commandments…
I personally don’t think that others can truly make a stand on the issue of homosexuality until their own child has come out as gay.
 You can bang on about scripture as much as you like, but until you are personally faced with having to pick a side over your child or the relevance of something written 2000+ years ago, you won’t really be able to speak with authority- regardless of who you claim said authority comes from!
 The only ‘choice’ in play then comes from your own decision on whether you will choose to support your child or condemn your loved one to death and abandon him or her. Lifelong celibacy is NOT an option.
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 alanv says:

 June 4, 2016 at 3:12 am
 
This youtube anti gay video has had nearly a million hits. Of those who voiced a preference only 6% thought it was a good video or message from the org.


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 Jason says:

 June 4, 2016 at 4:29 am
 
Thank you for bringing up Watchtower’s hatred towards longhaired men. As a man with a longhair identity, I never felt right with having short hair yet I was forced by Watchtower to go against this. It’s an amazing thing to finally be free of this undue influence. Do they even realize how bigoted their little illustration about the man who cut his hair sounds? As if holiness comes with having short hair.
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 Richard says:

 June 4, 2016 at 5:30 am
 
Great article and spot on.
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 Sarah says:

 June 4, 2016 at 11:50 am
 
This is a good support site and much appreciated. I might not agree with everything printed but it’s always good to consider other persons’ opinions. Being broadminded is not always an allowance for any sort of behavior.
A couple of homosexuals were once neighbours of mine. I considered them friends.
However I do believe there are some lines to be drawn and we have the option to draw them where we like. I am against adultery due to the hurt it causes. A single person, if he/she follows scripture, has to keep some sort of control in place. All of this requires sacrifice. Remaining with a spouse one no longer loves could be hard but maybe the best course in some circumstances.
Giving free reign to our feelings might not always be the best thing. When you get older it’s easier, and feelings don’t play so great a part in life.
Take care all of you.
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 Twmack says:

 June 4, 2016 at 1:12 pm
 
Don’t know the Weekly routine of JWs now, but in the
 50s through to 80s they made sure you didn’t have any
“Time” to develop any other personality than the one they
 had planned for you.
5 meetings a Week, plus Saturday Mag, work, Sunday morn
 FS, usually trying to con the H, Holder into buying some
 unintelligible publication on Revelations. Times not at the KH.
 were spent swotting up, underlining,for the times when we were
 there. Then there were talks on M,S, parts on the S,M,
Then, if you got to be an elder or M,S there were many other
 time consuming “Privileges” to care for. Just no time to
 cultivate any other interests. So when we met socially as
 JWs , the conversation was almost exclusively limited to the
 to the Bible or F,S, experiences, etc,
Altogether, an insular, inward turning lifestyle that stifles any
 individuality or personality development, which are discouraged
 as Satanic by their twisted propaganda.
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 dee2 says:

 June 4, 2016 at 2:30 pm
 
“A good example of this is the Witnesses curious aversion to long hair on men. There are many cultures that venerate this hairstyle on men and boys.”
In Jamaica, for example, some men who are not Rastafarians have long dreadlocks as it is culturally acceptable in Jamaica for men to have long dreadlocks whether or not they are Rastafarians.
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 GratefulThinker says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:17 am
 
As a gay ex-JW, I just want to pipe in and say that I really grow weary of the ongoing ‘nature vs nurture’ argument and whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not.
 Firstly – live and let live! Does my homosexuality affect you in any way? No? Then don’t judge me. And even if it DID, let’s turn the tables around: do I judge those that are heterosexual? Contrary to what many may think, one’s sexuality isn’t really such a big deal and is not the only or indeed premier defining characteristic of a person!
 Secondly – if homosexuality IS a choice then by default heterosexuality must be, too… and yet, THAT is deemed to be “normal”. I would suggest that there is no such thing as “normal”, only “common”. Society has been conditioned to accept heterosexuality as “normal” only because it is the most common form of sexuality.
 My JW step-mother (now also ex-JW) once asked me “When/at what age did you know/decide that you were gay?” Whilst incredulous at her naivety, I merely answered “About the same age YOU ‘decided’ to be straight”.
Anyway, just my gay 2 cents’ worth.
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 rob says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:19 am
 
When I was a witness, I too would have judged you and looked at you as someone who would have to change, but interestingly enough it was me who had to change my views.
When I left the witness religion I left behind a very narrow view of life and I also left behind a very detailed list of expectations that I had with regards to how people should behave.
I agree with you “live and let live”. I no longer would ever want to change someone. The witness religion is a now a speck in my rear view mirror.
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 Sam says:

 June 6, 2016 at 3:22 am
 
Why would you choose to be Gay in Uganda, Jamaica, Russia or Iran?
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 Searcher says:

 June 6, 2016 at 9:46 am
 
Better yet. Why would you choose to be gay in Saudi Arabia. Those oil rich barbarians (in my humble opinion) will cut your head off, only to have it respectfully sewn back on your dead neck before they bury you. Yet, there are still executions of homosexuals in Saudi Arabia now.
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 Searcher says:

 June 6, 2016 at 10:34 am
 
This article is great! I have recently raised the question in a few earlier blogs, “Why do organized religions (not just JW’s, but overzealous Christians, Jews, and Muslims) have such a hang up on sexual topics such as masturbation, premarital sex, sex foreplay between married couples, homosexuality, and the like?” Sexual activity is a natural, personal, pleasant, and procreative act. We have 8 billion people on earth. Seems like it works pretty good so far, even with all the alternative ways sexual behavior is expressed by those 8 billion people. We are no where near an endangered species. Homosexuality, masturbation, oral sex, foreplay, premarital sex, and all the other religiously ‘deviant’ behaviors have not hurt humankind in the least for its survival. What are the FACTS to support such taboo behaviors are toxic for humankind? Exceptions are for sex and sexual behaviors that are forced upon unwilling participants. That is a forced invasion of a person’s body and a crime! For religions to govern, much less spend inordinate amounts of time on sexual behavior between consenting adults or personal behavior (i.e. masturbation) just doesn’t make good sense to me.
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 Not da Judge says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:14 pm
 
Well written article James, I find the Caleb and Sophia cartoon characters and videos totally repugnant. I hated the video about Sophia donating her icecream money to the Watchtower organization.
Just when you think Watchtower has hit an all time low; in how to totally demoralize a young person, they come up with more bigoted rubbish to indoctrinate impressionable minds.
Ugh ! Watchtower may you go rot in hell.
Regards Not da Judge
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The Worst Convention Ever – Part 2: The Bunker
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Posted on June 4, 2016
 
worst2articleBy now, you may have already seen what have become known as the “Bunker” videos shown during the 2016 Regional convention. The films are centred around a small group of Witnesses huddled in a basement converted into a makeshift bunker, during the period of worldwide turmoil that Watchtower teaches will take place just before the battle of Armageddon, known as the Great Tribulation.
The narrative moves between the characters as they each flashback to a moment that occurred before the Great Tribulation broke out.
The videos are intended as teaching aids to help Jehovah’s Witnesses take to heart the lessons that the Governing Body wants them to learn.
But what are these lessons? Follow me into the Bunker and lets take a detailed tour though events that Watchtower teaches will happen in the very near future, and the actions and attitudes it believes Witnesses will need to show in order to survive them.
Bunker Video 1 – Pride
Screenshot 2016-06-02 21.16.18Bunker 1 claims to be a video about the dangers of pride, and features an Elder recounting an example of when the sin of pride almost got the better of him. He explains how another elder at his hall, presumably the School Overseer, gave him some feedback on mistakes he made whilst giving a public talk.
How does his wife react to this? Does she say; “do you think what he said was valid?” or “Did he have a point?” No. She says;

Please tell me you didn’t argue with him.
The wife is not concerned about whether the feedback is valid or not. Her only concern is that he might not have unquestioningly accepted it. The husband replies;

No of course not.
It is as if the very idea would be absurd.
What becomes clear is that the “right” attitude the elder is expected to display here is to unquestioningly accept whatever direction is given to him. No evaluation. No pushback.
It’s healthy to accept constructive criticism, yes, but one should always be ready to push back and challenge criticism or instructions if one does not believe them to be valid after careful consideration. To be a well rounded individual, it is vital to strike this balance between open mindedness and self confidence.
The kind of behaviour being presented here is not that of a well rounded individual capable of evaluating and accepting constructive criticism, rather it is that of an intellectual doormat, who will blindly accept any command from authority and say “thank you” at the end of it. Indeed the dangerous sin as presented here is not even that he argued the point, it’s that he felt resentment even though he blindly accepted it.
Essentially, what had been presented at the outset as a discussion of the dangers of “pride” morphs into a lesson about unquestioningly accepting orders from Watchtower authority with a smile.
Keep that in mind. It won’t be the last time we see this theme of blind unquestioning loyalty sneaking around in the shadows during the Bunker series.
Bunker Video 2 – Improper entertainment
Screenshot 2016-06-02 21.29.03Bunker 2 deals with a young man watching pornography on his phone.
Sort of.
It’s actually quite hard to work out what he is supposed to have done. He specifically states that he is NOT watching pornography, but states that the material he is watching is giving him immoral thoughts. Thus it’s hard to work out exactly what the material was supposed to have been. Steamy movies? Artwork featuring attractive people? Catalogue photographs? In any case, the man gives us the comment that:
Anything that stirs up unclean thoughts is worthless, and I should turn my eyes away.
That’s quite a broad and vague command. One cannot simply drop out of sensory experience, closing one’s eyes every time an attractive person passes you on the street.
Much of how you feel about this video might depend on your view of sexual morality as presented by Jehovah’s Witnesses or by faiths with similar teachings on sex. If you share this viewpoint, you may find little to criticise here, and feel the advice well captures a spiritually clean view of sex. Others may consider this view of sex to be repressive and unhealthy. Much will depend on your subjective view.
However, one might also suggest that Watchtower is trying to make Witnesses a little bit afraid of their internet phones, because there is something on that phone even more dangerous to a Witness than pornography.
That thing is: Google.
On the privacy of their smartphone, all a Witness has to do is type a few words into a search engine, say “Jehovah’s Witnesses child abuse,” or “Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning” or even just “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” and of the many sites that will spring up in response, only one will be jw.org. I remember sitting in a meeting, reading JW Survey articles during one of the more boring talks on my trusty smartphone. A free flow of information is not something Watchtower is in favour of for its followers, and today’s smartphones are portals to all the information in the world…
Bunker Video 3 – Bad associations
Screenshot 2016-06-02 21.48.19Bunker 3 deals with the wife of the elder we met in the first video, relating an experience of how she almost fell into “bad association” at work when her workmates invited her to grab a coffee with them in the break area.
The people in the office appear to be offering genuine friendship, but the friendship the Witness is offering in return comes with an ulterior motive. She apparently has no interest in them as people, just as potential recruits for her religion. As she states;
I still thought I could give a witness and actually teach them something about Jehovah.
At one point we see her try to share a scripture, only to be horrified when the people she is talking to offer an opinion different to hers, as if they had no right to interrupt her attempts at preaching. She closes her bible in shock. One of the co-workers smiles knowingly and states…
Too much information, right?
While most intellectually healthy people would consider the sharing of viewpoints and information to be a good thing, here it is presented as something that is damaging to the faithful. Additionally, the video seems to infer that her friends talking about families and husbands, a perfectly normal topic for most people, was somehow a bad thing. The Witness laments…
In reality, I was the one being taught, and I was a quick learner
This video casts the sister as if she is some weak creature with no agency, blown hither and thither by the opinions of those around her. No thought is given to the fact that a mature, rational person should be able to evaluate new viewpoints, decide if they are valid, and reject or adopt them accordingly.
No, she is presented being as doe eyed and impressionable as a small child. I can imagine that many Witnesses might feel uncomfortable and even a little insulted by the assumption from the Governing Body that they are all this impressionable and intellectually feeble.
Bunker Video 4 – Fear of Man
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.16.40Bunker 4 tells us the saga of Kevin.
Kevin is a witness who isn’t in the bunker. The narrative implies that he was always a bit of a spiritually weak Christian, but apparently the final straw for poor Kevin was, according to one of the Bunker folk:

When our message changed form good news to judgement, he was telling everyone that it would make problems for us, and that he was done.
It is inferred that one of the reasons that the Witnesses might be in hiding is that their “message of judgement” helped trigger the Great Tribulation and caused the population and the governments of the world to rise up against them and hunt them down.
Let’s set aside the acknowledged cases of repressive regimes (such as Vladimir Putin’s Russia) persecuting Jehovah’s Witnesses, because often those regimes persecute other religious groups just as badly, and instead focus on the idea that all democratic, liberal governments will turn specifically on Watchtower because Watchtower will begin to proclaim “judgement.”
The problem with this delusion of grandeur is that the Governing Body have clearly never heard of the Westboro baptist church.
For those who don’t know, Westboro is an infamous fundamentalist church known for antagonising the population of United States with its own messages of “judgement”, picketing the funerals of US Servicemen with signs saying “Thank God for dead solders,” and turning up at Gay Pride events with “God hates fags” banners.
The Church sets out to be as antagonistic and fractious as possible with its “judgement messages” going far beyond the limits of any message that Watchtower would ever contemplate carrying. Yet as of 2016, the church members of Westboro have not been hunted down into bunkers by Government goons. Most citizens just dismiss them as unpleasant idiots.
I humbly propose that the Witnesses can, in most free countries, make their message as judgemental as they like, and the very worst that will happen is that people will simply consider them to be a bunch of jerks.
If Governments in liberal democracies DO ever come for Watchtower, it will be because of things like failure to report child abuse, or the enforcement of cruel and abusive practices like shunning, and not because Witnesses started walking around with signs saying “Jehovah will trample you in the wine-press of his anger.”
Bunker Video 5 – Appreciation
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.19.52Bunker 5 is very interesting, especially if one is aware of the recent problems Watchtower has experienced worldwide with news coverage of its child abuse scandal, and with difficulties concerning its “New Light” teaching of the “Overlapping Generations.”
The video begins with the bunker crew reading Psalm 116:12:

“With what will I repay Jehovah, for all the good he has done for me?”
When asked for suggested applications of the scripture, one of the Bunker dwellers says:

What really makes a difference is how we respond to that goodness. For some in the congregation, those good things became a test of their loyalty.
Hmm. Where are they going with this? What are the “good things?” Are they talking about the ransom sacrifice? The hope for the paradise earth? The Bible?
No.
We soon see that this video is yet another example of bait and switch.
The “good things” in the context of this film are basically whatever the Organisation decides to do or say. We see a montage of announcements being made from the platform and of “new light” being given as teachings are changed. We see a couple of brothers looking unhappy about it in the audience. A stern voiceover warns us that these brothers…

…found fault with what the organisation was doing, or not doing
I find that specific wording very interesting.
One thing that the organisation is not doing right now is reporting child abusers to the police, and I know from my own experiences that more and more witnesses are being exposed to this fact. Many Witness often deny this practice exists out of genuine ignorance, and you can sometimes tell it has upset them when they see proof of the claims.
It’s impossible that they are not talking to the elders about it, and it’s impossible that reports of this disquiet won’t have reached the Governing Body. Given the context of the video, it seems clear Watchtower is saying that any criticism of what it “isn’t doing” is disloyal, and fails to show appreciation to God.
I can’t see a loving God appreciating anyone who helps a child molester evade justice. I can’t see how anyone can possibly class this as a “good thing”
Additionally, it is implied that the frowning brothers do not like the “New Light” being taught. Now, there is only really one major “new light teaching in recent years that could ruffle the feathers (although the 2016 shunning clampdown might give it a close run for its money), and that is the teaching of the Overlapping Generations.
As explained here in a previous JW Survey article by the site’s founder Lloyd Evans:

For decades Watchtower publications insisted that Armageddon was imminent because, they argued, the generation of anointed Witnesses (who believed they were going to heaven) who witnessed and understood the events of 1914 would not die out before Armageddon arrived.
This claim was based on Matthew 24:34, where Jesus told his followers that the generation that witnessed various apocalyptic signs would not die out until all his words, including the “great tribulation” (the prelude to Armageddon), came true.
Sounds great. Until you realise that this generation of people are now basically all dead. Lloyd continues:

The most recent solution, as proposed by Watchtower in 2010… is to essentially embellish Jesus’ words by suggesting that “this generation” doesn’t have to be just one generation, but can be two.
The first “group” of “this generation” would witness and understand the events of 1914, and the second group would be those who were born before the last individuals in the first group died (hence an “overlapping” generation).
If you don’t understand this, it is not due to any failure on your part. It is because it doesn’t make sense. The teaching rides roughshod over the English language, redefining what “generation” means, and relying on the audience to willfully bypass their logical thinking skills by asserting the incomprehensible as indisputable truth.
After all, if you can arbitrarily insist that a generation can be composed of two groups, why not have three, four, five – on into infinity? The word “generation” quickly loses all meaning.
This teaching came into force shortly before I left, but even at the time I knew from my own discussions with Witnesses that no-one could really explain it, no-one liked discussing it, and on my way out of the faith I pointedly asked one elder if he really believed it and could prove it to me just using the Bible.
He looked a little awkward and suggested the teaching would be “further refined.”
My experience clearly isn’t an isolated one. The problem is apparently so bad that JW Broadcasting had to devote an entire episode to trying to explain it, as seen below, again with analysis from Lloyd Evans.


So, in summary, we see yet another video that claims to be about one thing, appreciation, but actually ends up being about something else, namely: “Stop asking embarrassing questions, stop pointing out flaws in our policies and doctrines, just do what we tell you to do and think what we tell you to think.”
Bunker Video 6 – Self Control
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.23.47Bunker 6 deals with a Sister who admits that the struggle she had to overcome was that of “negative thinking.”
What does she mean by negative thinking?
It’s never expressly stated exactly what this means. Feeling of unworthiness? Low self esteem? I can’t be 100% certain, but listen to the way she describes her emotions:

I would pray, but at times the feelings were so strong, I didn’t know what to do.
Will I ever stop feeling like this?
To me, that sounds like she’s describing depression. I should know: I’ve struggled with depression, as have people close to me. What is the response of the older sister that this apparently seriously depressed person turns to?

The scriptures tell us as Christens we pray for self control in our actions, but we need the same self control for our thoughts.
This sister is essentially told that her depression is her fault. She lacks self control, and needs to read more scriptures and pray harder to control her depression. No mention is made of seeking professional medical help. The sister is simply expected to study the bible, pray about it, and overcome her sinful lack of self control. It’s implied that if she cannot do this, she is disloyal to God. 1 Corinthians 9:25 is invoked to back this up.

Now everyone competing in a contest exercises self-control in all things. Of course, they do it to receive a crown that can perish, but we, one that does not perish.
I will be honest, this video made my blood boil.
As I have said, I have direct experience with how serious an issue depression can be. In the worst case scenario, people can take their own lives. Serious cases of depression often require professional help and sometimes medication, and with such assistance a real improvement in the life of the depressed person can indeed be possible.
But the idea that you should tell a person with depression that they simply need to develop “self control” to cope with the issue is insulting and downright dangerous. You can’t “fix” depression by reading scriptures and implying to the person that their feelings are “their fault” for not having self control.
I don’t really know what else to say here. This video will be like a slap in the face to any Witness genuinely suffering from depression and will only make them feel worse for their “sin” of being depressed.
It could make their fellow witnesses even less understanding, might cause them to view the depressed one as someone lacking self control and loyalty, and thus “bad association,” causing them to withdraw from the depressed Witness. Add into the mix the fact that the need for skilled professional help is totally ignored in the video, and I shudder to think what impact this video may have on vulnerable Witnesses.
Bunker Video 7 – Love
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.29.30The basic theme of Bunker 7 is: “you all have too much stuff.”
It features a pioneer couple, in flashback, describing how they apparently once had a comfortable life, despite both being pioneers. It’s made clear that having a comfortable life is a bad thing. They couple sell up, move to a much smaller home, and get rid of most of their possessions.
Granted, it would nice if Watchtower didn’t try shaming those who work hard and choose to live comfortably within their means, but some people do find that slimming down their life gives them the chance to focus on other life-goals that matter to them. Each to their own.
The problem is, this pioneer couple then decide to attend the School for Kingdom Evangelisers and move to serve where the “need is greater.” I’m sure they feel that Jehovah and his Organisation will care for them….
…the same organisation that is currently slimming down its Bethel staff, getting rid of the older travelling overseers, and generally tossing full time servants out on their ear due to budget cuts. But we’re coming to the end of the video series because in Bunker 8, the police break down the door.
Bunker Video 8 – Faith
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.34.08There is actually not that much that I found noteworthy about Bunker 8. The Bunker Buddies basically review the previous videos, read a bunch of scriptures to strengthen their faith, the police finally work out that maybe the Witnesses are hiding behind the big white door (what are these, the Keystone Cops?) and the scene fades to black as the armoured thugs close in on our Bunker Brotherhood.
It has to be said though, the overall theme of the series is indeed fascinating. The videos return time and again to the same themes. Stop asking awkward questions. Stop being depressed. Stop questioning New Light. Stop listening to people who have different opinions. Do whatever we tell you and smile when when you say yes sir.
Watchtower convention programs are not written at random. The talks are often a response to issues and trends currently concerning Watchtower’s leaderships. So what can we learn about current trends in the worldwide congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses from this video?
Witnesses are asking awkward questions. Witnesses are depressed. Witnesses are questioning “new light.” Witnesses are listening to other opinions. Not enough Witnesses are doing what they are told – or if they are, they are grumbling.
I don’t think all is well in the land of Watchtower.
I think the Governing Body has a problem. It might not just be the rank and file Witnesses for whom this ends up being the #worstconventionever.
For further analysis of this video, including many points not covered here, please check out the video from JW Survey’s Lloyd Evans below. Believe it or not, this article has not even scratched the surface of how disturbing this video is. Click, if you dare, and Lloyd will take you even further into this crazy bunker shaped rabbit hole.


 
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 KimJones says:

 June 4, 2016 at 4:55 pm
 
Great article Covert Fade. The Bunker Videos remind me of a childhood game we used to play called “Simon Says.” For example, the society used to say, don’t clap when it’s announced from the platform someone has been reinstated and now recently they say yes you can clap when it’s announced from the platform someone is reinstated. Instead of Simon Says it’s the GB says.
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 QuietObserver says:

 June 4, 2016 at 5:25 pm
 
I put this thought on another thread, but it seems more appropriate here. Has anyone considered if the GT video(bunker videos) is because the Orgy know that nearly all the governments of the Western world are coming after them for their position on child abuse and oppression of women, including sexual harassment that happens at the Bethels? Here in Australia the general consensus is that they are selling off the Bethel and all their equipment as well as many KHs before the Royal commission comes after them for the compensation scheme. If they create this fear for the R&F that the governments are after them because it’s the GT and not because of their own lies and betrayals, they will close ranks around the GB to protect them. What do you think?
Thank you Covert Fade for this excellent article. Hubby and I are enjoying these immensely.
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 LJ says:

 June 7, 2016 at 1:47 pm
 
Sexual Harassment at Bethel??
 This is the first time I’ve heard of this. But as I think about it I’m not surprised at all. Can you share any links with me with more information.
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 Markie says:

 June 4, 2016 at 5:43 pm
 
I think this bunker crap is just plain wishful thinking and is also to create a sense of urgency in the brothers and sisters. But I also believe that the selling off of certain buildings by the society due to pedophile lawsuits is also wishful thinking by many people posting on this site. It’s just a reorganization by a big corporation trying to put their resources to the best use.
I do believe that the GB will have to come up with new light and the “Methusala Generation” after the overlapping generation does not panout.
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 millwallandrew says:

 June 6, 2016 at 2:53 am
 
The GB ‘loves’ to dream alot. They come up with radically crazy and weird theories and scenarios so as to entice/enslave or threaten their 99% gullible flock. Its outrageous and absurd just sitting there at the KH and having to consume all that ‘Hogwash’ for 1hr:45min. Its depressing and really boring! And the elders keep drumming on the idea that ‘spiritually weak xtianz are those who do not attend FIELD, MEETINGS, go to UNIVERSITY, QUESTION GB ORDERS, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT JW TEACHINGS, do not COMMENT AT MEETINGS……Am really tired of their trash.
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 QuietObserver says:

 June 4, 2016 at 5:53 pm
 
Hmmm….wishful thinking….well, take a look at the ARC and the PROMISE that they are coming after the Org and that the Org WILL be made to participate in the compensation scheme for child abuse victims. They have been given 2 years to come into compliance with the findings of the ARC. Within 6 months of this directive by the ARC, Bethel Australia began selling off all equipment and trucks and machinery in Bethel Australia and the Branch itself has been put up for sale. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck….wishful thinking means it must be a cooked goose.http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx
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 Markie says:

 June 4, 2016 at 6:11 pm
 
Or maybe they just over built in Warwick and need the cash. I guess we will just have to wait and see. They were idiots selling off Brooklyn.
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 alanv says:

 June 5, 2016 at 5:18 am
 
Why were they idiots? It just makes good business sense. Especially now there is much less printing space needed. It’s no different to me downsizing my house now that I am the only one living in it. No real need to have a three or four bedroom house any more.
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 Markie says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:43 pm
 
Because it was in such a desirable spot and now they went and put the money in Warwick which is in the middle of no where and its also a toxic waste dump. So they will never have the windfall they had selling Brooklyn again. I also think they should have waited to sell some of it because they started the sell off back in 2010 when the market was down.
 They always say we are deep in the time of the end but they used all those brothers and sisters time to build that place when they should have been out in the preaching work. They took care of their future but hypocritely tell us not to prepare for our future in this system in regards to education, professional jobs etc…
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 Chiafade says:

 June 5, 2016 at 10:24 pm
 
“Or maybe they just over built in Warwick and need the cash”
Sounds like wishful thinking Markie.
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 Jill Hileman says:

 June 4, 2016 at 7:30 pm
 
This was a stellar analysis, Covert Fade. Truly well done. Thank you personally for giving voice to the piece about depression, curiously renamed by the Governing Body as “Negative Thinking”.
The shame of depression in the Witness organization lies at the feet of their leadership, not the people suffering. They’ve clearly changed their tune about reaching out for professional help since I left under the weight of chronic suicidal depression in the ’90’s.
Knowledge is truly power.
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 Cobb says:

 June 4, 2016 at 9:10 pm
 
“When our message changed form good news to judgement” Hmm. Matthew 24:14 will have to be changed from “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” To “And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth until the Governing Body arbitrarily decides to change Jesus’ message to one of judgement which will piss people off.. and then the end will come.” In any case, they have switched to a message of doom before in an attempt to ‘bring it on’ and we see how well that worked.
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 vivian says:

 June 4, 2016 at 10:47 pm
 
oh my god. This is some crazy stuff. I cant believe this was made. Why didnt they put at least a double lock on that door? Why is everyone still dressed like they are going to a pot luck dinner? This stuff is UNBELIEVABLE. im so embarrassed. Good god.
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 Paul brinkman says:

 June 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm
 
For the Watchtower it is like the communistic leaders in 1989. The members have no more energy(only a few of them obey blind the GB), so the most “worse convention” is all about the GB himself how they shall be destroyd soon and not the worldsystem, first.
 Thank you Covert Fade for this excellent article !
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 Sarah says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:14 am
 
Thanks Covert. The ‘do what you are told or else’ attitude is dreadful. We are supposed to check what is said to see if it is correct from God’s point of view. No way can we follow anyone blindly. We are supposed to be wise, and be able to think for ourselves.
God doesn’t hate anyone, fag or not. The organization’s stance makes people go in the opposite direction. There is a problem with unbridled sex. Sexually transmitted diseases are rife and cause awful damage. Antibiotics are losing the battle. There are psychological and physical problems with having many sexual partners. Gay people do die younger than most.
If the org presented the wish of God to help people rather than simply condemn, it would be far more effective. That is, if they get it right in the first place.
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 Grey Tower says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:44 am
 
What the current “intake” of Witnesses fail to realize is that every 30 years or so the organization regurgitates all the fear-mongering about Armageddon in order to whip up the faithful to work harder and to get ready for the persecution that’s imminent.
My parents became Witnesses in the late 1930’s, believing they were part of the generation alive in 1914 that would see the “end of this wicked system of things” at Armageddon. Before my father died in 1999 his attitude towards the significance of 1975 changed, which is around the time I voted with my feet and left the organization.
What’s changed is the desperation of the Governing Body to hold onto their power and to retain control over the rank and file. I think you are right in suggesting this could be “the worst convention ever” because the new shunning policy, along with the heavy-handed methods of the GB to enforce unthinking and unquestioning obedience, is likely to backfire spectacularly. I think the GB have shot themselves in the foot, spiritually speaking, and that large numbers of Witnesses will now wake up to the way they are being manipulated.
Interesting comments about how the Society is responding to the Australian Royal Commission findings.
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:53 am
 
@Grey tower: I really hope you are correct about this backfiring. I was planning to boycott this year’s convention and just not waste my time, but now I think I will attend with my husband. I have to see how he reacts.
I genuinely don’t know if he will agree with the points made, or if he will see it for what it is.
He is so skeptical about almost everything else: commercials and politicians, etc., bold and unproven or unsupported claims of any type. I can’t believe he wasn’t first before me to see through the lies and manipulation of the GB.
But regardless of what happens in my personal situation, I hope that many people who were on the fence or giving the organization the benefit of the doubt and/or making excuses for them will start to see through them and begin to pay more and greater attention to their own unanswered questions and their own sense of conscience, of justice and common sense right and wrong.
Of course the GB will have an answer for the great exodus and will attempt to shame and vilify those who leave. And will praise those who stay for their loyalty and unshakeable faith.
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 John ship says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:52 am
 
I think also it should be mentioned about the new technology and jw broadcast.i do not like the broadcast and neither does my wife we are both over 70 and cannot cope with the new techno tablets etc we do not want jw broadcast. The elders know this but keep pestering us to have some device fitted to our tv so we can watch jw broacast ” every evening” yukwe have told em we dont want it cant afford it . But still they keep on …i think many are like us and will be pressured …well it wont work .i told my wife if they keep on ill just give up( which ive been fading for over a year) its a problem for the g b im sure…
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 Freed Mason says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:35 am
 
@John ship – exact comments from my 81 year old mother who has been a witness for 60 years, the tech is expensive, impersonal and non interactive – this is probably the reason for it in the first place.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 5, 2016 at 5:20 am
 
Reminds me of the telescreens from Orwell’s 1984.
WS
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 Tara says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:25 am
 
When I was still attending meetings, albeit few and far between, one MS at the book counter asked if I wouldn’t just prefer to download all the crap… I mean literature. I told him I would once the GB bought me a tablet. He was quite taken aback, as were those standing around.
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 Gameisover says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:51 am
 
Depression? I knew well two bethelites who hung themselves AT Bethel. And a regular pioneer who threw herself off her balcony.
 Everyone was shocked but not for long. The topic died out almost immediately because
” if would bring reproach on Jehovahs name”. As incredible as it may seem I still stayed on for another 10 years. When I ponder over all these abuses and realize how robotic and submissive people are in this organization I can only hope that
 some world wide scandal awakens the many good hearted people that are still in, including my children. I don’t even know where they are. This is shunning in the extreme!
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 ScotWm says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:00 pm
 
Regarding Bethel suicides:
The Watchtower claims to have the truth that leads to eternal life. The Governing Body claims that they are the faithful slave appointed by Jesus to guide His followers into the new world.
A Bethel slave wants to do everything possible to please Jehovah, who they believe is represented on earth by the Governing Body. The Governing Body will always demand more and more from its cult members, even those who are serving at Bethel. No amount of faithful service to the Watchtower will ever be enough.
Therefore, some Bethel slaves — and regular Witnesses — become seriously depressed when their hope for eternal life appears to be unattainable.
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 Big B says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:18 pm
 
@ ScotWm
Hope for eternal life in “paradise earth” is definitely unattainable. Why? Because it (“paradise earth”) cannot be found in the entire Bible.
As soon as the G.B. admits that their interpretation of the 144,000 is wrong and is a symbolic number, as is everything else in Revelation, the better off everyone will be.
As of now the G.B. cannot explain away the increase of memorial partakers (to the tune of more than 500 per year) for the last 10 years. What does this mean? The number of partakes is growing and not diminishing as time passes as they said would happen.
Also, J.W.’s (Watchtower study edition July 15, 2013 chart) now have a “rapture” like many born again, evangelical faiths. The remnant leaving for heaven before the great tribulation starts. This is something we poked fun at.
No wonder many are discouraged, disgruntled, disappointed, disgusted and depressed; not only at Bethel but congregational as well.
In my area, of Southeastern Virginia, a certain congregation had to ask another congregation elder to become the coordinator of elders. Why? Because no one wanted to become the coordinator amongst their body of elders, no one.

 
 
 ScotWm says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:56 pm
 
Regarding Big B — “Rapture”: I just downloaded the July 2013 Study Edition and there it was:
From the endnotes on page 8:
“Paragraph 8: [2] One of the events mentioned in these verses is the ‘gathering of the chosen ones.’ (Matt. 24:31) Hence, it appears that all anointed ones who still remain on earth after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed will at some point be raised to heaven before the outbreak of the battle of Armageddon.”
In this statement, a rapture before Armageddon “appears” possible. In the following statement, this rapture becomes a fact:
From the chart on page 11: “Shortly before Armageddon, the remaining faithful anointed ones are gathered to the heavens.”
Wow, that was a fast “adjustment.” On page 11, we had new light on what was stated on page 8 of the same magazine.

 
 
 
 
 
 fallingangel75 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:13 pm
 
My father has been faithfully attending meetings for over 40 years. Meeting attendance was never an issue for him at any point in my entire life!
He always studied thoroughly and prepared well for all the meetings. He looked things up in the cited references. He wasn’t lazy and didn’t take shortcuts.
But he’s in his 80’s now and doesn’t own a computer, tablet, or smartphone. And he’s kind of intimidated about trying to learn to use them at his age.
I’ve watched his meeting attendance fall off by about 60% and it’s not because he’s old or sick and it’s too much trouble to leave the house.
He said to me that he feels lost at the meetings with the new format. Since he’s out of sync with the technology, he can’t study properly before hand and he can’t really keep up and follow along while he’s there.
I feel like they know that the older ones who aren’t familiar with the technology and the people of any age who can’t afford it will get left behind, but they just don’t even care.
I feel like those individuals have been deemed irrelevant and disposable.
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 Anthony Mangan says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:37 am
 
great article! loved it. i feel sick after reading it.
 quite a lot of typos though in the article. Keep up the great work. best wishes, wildelover.
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:56 am
 
I know you say there was nothing noteworthy about bunker video 8…. I think the fear factor was ramped up with the military style invasion of the basement…and I think it is a disgrace that children are watching this en masse and being told this is the truth…this is what is going to happen…. I was brought up in this crappy organization and know how afraid I was as a child…when we read about persecution in Malawi I was afraid…when we read about concentration camps I was afraid…when we read about people dying from not having a blood transfusion I was afraid…. dont be fooled that these young minds are not drinking in every word in these dramatizations…. they are…and that is how the control starts.
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 John ship says:

 June 5, 2016 at 4:41 am
 
It reminds me of the fear of nuke war i grew up with in the 50s .the bunker scene upset me so much it brought back the terror feelinds .i could not sleep that night after seeing it and im over 70 what will this do to the minds of children.?
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 Joe says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:26 am
 
Hi all,
I’d like to make couple of points. It saddens me to see
 a departure from the policies that stipulated limited contact. The reasons why limited was permitted (relatives) in my view was due to the following.
A departure from one’s system of beliefs should not translate into a complete annihilation from their families.
 Secondly, that limited contact safe guarded the fundamental principles of family structure and the gift of free will. Anyone who’ve read the original article initially publish about how to deal with dis-fellowship relatives will know that dis-fellow shipping DOES NOT break family ties. It was clearly written in in that article. September 15 1981 Questions from readers.
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 Joe says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:30 am
 
The September 15 1981 article has two parts to it. The first deals with how to treat dis-fellowship people in general and the second part deals with relatives in particular. However, i’ve heard people saying for a very long time that families of dis-fellowship relatives are not allow to actively seek association with them just for the sake of it but should only contact them when it’s absolutely necessary. Thats far from the truth. The article in itself was not deterministic nor conclusive or lay blanket rules about those matters. Rather what it sought to achieve was to lay general principles. For example, can you invite a dis-fellowship relative for a wedding at the hall? Again, there isnt a yes or no answer. Highly discretional with the following principles in mind. The article states ” We cannot say whether a dis-fellowship relative should attend the wedding but it’ll be up to those involve to resolve”. Sept. 15 1981 Pages 26-31. Can a disfellowship person attend the reception? Well the answer lay bare in the principles that it brought out. Because the fellowship person may be more likely to seek to associate with people which includes other witnesses attending the reception it MAY be best for them not to attend. Another thing that need to be taken into account is how will other invitee’s to the occasion feel about seeing a disfellowship person around. Sept. 15 1981 Pages 26-31. Again principles in play, even though this answer leans more toward a no from a sound judgement perspective, its not conclusive, it doesn’t categorical say no or yes. The answer lies on a case by case basis because all scenarios cannot possibly be thought off or written about due to it infeasibility. Again the overriding principle was if you chose to associate with a DISFELLOWSHIP RELATIVE, keep it to the minimum; with no conditions attached to the minimum association or contact rule.
 I believe a sudden twist in policy violates two fundamental principles. The gift of free-will and the cohesiveness of the family structure. The assumption that underpins that policy is “ All witnesses children will have only two options, become a witness and remain in the family circle or have a different view and be thrown out”. Having said that I also have strong reservations about dis-associated people been classified in the dis-fellowshipped category again because it violates the principles of free will. That’s probably one of the reasons why mankind weren’t created as robots but humans.
 Point two, I don’t always agree with cedars on all published articles but a few. One of the few common grounds we share is the issue of disfellowshipped relatives and the application of Lev. 10:1-6 on disfellowship relatives. Anyone reading this passage will know that this passage was a specific instance where Jehovah executed divine judgement. It was not carryout through proxies and henceforth applying that scripture to relatives of disfellowshipped people or persons is just not fit for purpose.
 Finally cedar mention that masturbation is not explicitly prohibited in the scriptures. Cedars you’re right there isn’t a scripture that specifically prohibits masturbation but as a MST graduate you should know that there are principles that cover that subject. For example if you turn the pages of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation you’ll not find a single verse or passage that says “ do not smoke” however there are principles that governs. Paul said don’t take in anything that’ll harm your body (that passage cover smoking). As Christians we are admonish to keep morally and mentally clean and of course masturbating will NOT be consistent with that principle.
More to come……………………
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:02 am
 
There is a principle in the bible from Jesus Christ that says ‘any man who looks at a woman…commits adultry in his heart’ …. however that is not grounds for scriptural divorce in the organization….
There is a statement of firm instruction from Paul… ‘marry only in the lord’…. you are not disfellowshipped if you do….
They pick and choose which principles to attatch laws to and the decision is arbitrary.
 You say that associating with a disfellowshipped relative is a matter of free will…I think you are mistaken…in a neighbouring congregation a brother had all his privileges removed because he attended the ceremony of his long time disfellowshipped brother…
There are countless instances in my area of the organization coming down in a very strong way against association with disfellowshipped, disassociated and inactive ones in a family…..I dont know your background but I suspect you are an elder with doubts… I am now 58 and only woke up properly 4 years ago…all my family are witnesses including my very much ‘in’ spouse…. Im fading to try and avoid being shunned by my children… now that quiet avenue of using my free will and leaving is beibg removed from me.
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 Joe says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:50 am
 
Thanks Idontknowwhattodo, i’ll clarify couple of points. As per the article, association with DISFELLOWSHIPPED relatives SHOULD BE discretional and kept to the minimum, so i’m not mistaken. (READ THE ARTICLE) Unfortunately body of elders have this tendency to cohort with one another to suppress the clear interpretation of the article and rather follow the supposedly SPIRITUAL interpretation which involve outright shunning using fear and intimidation.
 Secondly, i don’t know the full circumstances of that case but what i can say and cedars should know this is when a brother has privileges, HE IS REQUIRED TO BE EXEMPLARY AT ALL TIMES. Even though the limit contact rule SHOULD apply equally to everyone, it doesn’t. So that brother knew he was an elder, at some stage cohort with other body of elders to counsel another member of the congregation to either limit (hopefully he encourage limited association) or shun a dis-fellowship relative. The brother in question should have known that the requirement to be exemplary primarily applies to brothers with privileges. So he should have been very careful, because might have been the same person telling people what to do, The scripture say ” you telling someone what to do, teach yourself”. There was nothing scripturally wrong with attending weddings of a disfellowshipped relative but the brother should have known that even though there was nothing wrong with it, others were going to twist it and use it against him. He also should have known the organisation doesnt have a structure and fair system to handle appear cases, using discernment, he should have stay away just to safe guard his privileges. Its called wisdom.
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 Joe says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:56 am
 
Regarding the issue of looking at a woman with the intent of having sexual relations, you can be counsel on it and if a person doesnt desist they can be dis-fellowship as a last resort depending on the body of elders that handle your case, a body may be self-righteous, another may be very human.
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:44 am
 
You miss my point…Im saying that though there are principles the gb use to make laws they pick and choose the principle that needs these supplementary laws to fullfill the principle…the ones that suit them…ie: a rule about masturbation…. yet the principle on looking at a woman has no rule attatched… you intruigue me Joe… do you agree with these arbtrary rules then?
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 Cedars says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:46 am
 
“Cedars you’re right there isn’t a scripture that specifically prohibits masturbation but as a MST graduate you should know that there are principles that cover that subject.”
Ah, so you’re into creating supplemental rules for the sake of preventing people from breaking actual biblical rules. Interesting. I know an organization you should consider joining.
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 Searcher says:

 June 8, 2016 at 7:21 pm
 
I’ll bet the Bethel rule makers said, “Because kids do it so much, it feels good to them, and it involves the genitals, then it MUST be sinful. We need to make a law! HA HA. What a bunch of knuckleheads.
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 Tara says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:36 am
 
I attended my df’d sons wedding. A month or so later I had a ‘shepherding call’. The two elders were very nice until we finally got to the real reason for their ‘loving, shepherding call’.
Elder – ‘Can you tell us how you can justify attending your df’d sons wedding?’
Me – certainly. God gave me a conscience. I used it.
Elders – blank look.
Me – thank you for coming.
I have refused every attempt at them returning. I haven’t been to a meeting in 6 months. I have not returned calls or notes pushed through my door. I am shunning the persistent wrong doers.
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 Oubliette says:

 June 5, 2016 at 8:02 am
 
Tara, good for you for taking a stand for your son and yourself!
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 JWIntellect says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:48 am
 
I am doing the same thing. I recently received a card from an elder in my congregation, but I don’t plan on responding to it.
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 Will says:

 June 5, 2016 at 9:43 pm
 
That’s amazing!!!
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 Outandabout says:

 June 6, 2016 at 3:24 pm
 
It’s amazing how easy it is to make these poor people look silly. I recently had an elder and servant on my doorstep and without being rude to them, I very quickly had them squirming and looking at the ground. I invited them in and they declined. I’m not even a jw and I knew more than they did. Also, the first thing the elder did was lie to me and then went on to reveal himself as he left. Surely, this cult can’t last like this.
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 Searcher says:

 June 8, 2016 at 7:26 pm
 
“Cedars you’re right there isn’t a scripture that specifically prohibits masturbation but as a MST graduate you should know that there are principles that cover that subject. ”
Yeah? I’m waiting for the Caleb and Sophia cartoon where Caleb gets caught playing with his privates and Mom has to explain how bad it is. That should be a good one!
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 Joe says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:34 am
 
Meant to be MTS graduate……
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 Balcácer says:

 June 5, 2016 at 5:53 am
 
About:
Bunker Video 8 – Faith
It can be also related as: ” The Watchtower Modern Version of the musical West Side Story”
The Jets represented by the JW’s and the Sharks represented by the stormtroopers police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWb_xz0OakQ
What a bad joke.
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 Dee says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:29 am
 
I love your analyses Floyd. Always spot on, pull no punches. Thankyou. If the GB have to threaten and cajole their “remaining” followers. It’s apparent they are desperately trying to stem the tide out the exit door. Scare tactics ala Nazi Germany is all they have left to use. I do fear the Koolaid is next. And I think the GB will take the money squirreled in the Caymans and abandon ship before the police break down THEIR white door.
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 happymother says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:12 am
 
I finally get what I think is the real meaning of bunker 7 where the couple sells belongings. Whilst viewing I couldn’t understand how selling their house and all their belongings would strenghen the couple’s faith. I realize only now that doing so probably has nothing to do with faith. When all is sold I’m pretty sure the cash won’t stay in the bank too long. Guess who’ll be there to make sure you donate it?
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 Oubliette says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:52 am
 
It’s interesting to compare what the WTBTS is NOT DOING in regards to their pedophile problem with the Catholic church.
I read in the paper just this morning that Pope Francis has approved new rules that hold bishops accountable if they fail to protect their flock from pedophiles.
I remember in the late ’80s when the child abuse scandal in the Catholic church was becoming public, we (JWs) would wag our fingers and shake our heads disapprovingly and say things like, “That just proves they are a false religion. Aren’t we glad we are not like that?”
Well it’s clear that the JW religion is actually worse than the Catholic church. The RCC is now making changes while the WTBTS continues to hypocritically cover up their moral failings.
Thanks for shining a bright light on this issue!
Let’s review: It’s a cult!
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 QuietObserver says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:58 am
 
Hi Joe, thanks for all the hard work that went into your comment. But your information is based on
 September 15 1981 Questions from readers. That is old, out of date information and not acceptable.
July 15, 2011 Watchtower study edition gives you the new, up-to-date information that all here are concerned about. Read on:
16 The message is clear. Our love for Jehovah must be stronger than our love for
 unfaithful family members.
 17 Today, Jehovah does not immediately execute those who violate his laws. He lovingly gives them an opportunity to repent from their unrighteous works. How would Jehovah feel, though, if the parents of an unrepentant wrongdoer kept putting Him to the test by having unnecessary association with their disfellowshipped son or daughter?
My question is, who gets to decide what is “having unnecessary association”? Do you get to decide? Or do the Elders decide for you? Most of us here know from personal experience, your conscience doesn’t count. The only acceptable decision is the one the Elders make for you. If you proceed according to the September 15, 1981 information and the Elders hear you used your own conscience, they will be calling on you. Hope you are ready.
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 Joe says:

 June 6, 2016 at 1:07 am
 
Thanks Quietobserver, i’m not sure how well you understand referencing but Cedars can help you in this regard. He’s very passionate about it. The Gods Love book has an appendix that references the September 15 1981; In as much as the God Love good is still in use (meaning not discontinued)then the references it uses are valid. When an article is use as a reference, it serves as an authority over that piece of work regardless of how old it is except when there is a new article. The article you’re referencing doesnt conclusively address the issue rather gives synopsis. Let assume that appendix was in the knowledge book then you’ll be 100 percent right but this is not the case. The God’s Love book is still use to teach students through to baptism; therefore in as much as it references an article publish in the eighties, it is valid. The extend of it relevance is debatable.
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 QuietObserver says:

 June 6, 2016 at 4:26 am
 
So Joe, when your Elders come after you for associating with someone whom they deem is not worthy and your reasons (say a death in the family) are not valid enough, you are gonna bring out that information and show it to them? They will bow their heads and humbly admit that they should allow you to exercise your own conscience? Hmmmm….let us know how it turns out, ok?
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:37 am
 
QuietObserver
 I get the impression Joe is an elder and having a struggle with things going on in the congregation…QuietObserver ..well made points and well referenced I dont think you needed his very ‘elder-like’ instruction on referencing… I feel for him that he has to satisfy his need to counsel us…I dont need that instruction any more…I am intelligent enough..not overly…just enough to understand what is going on around me and can decide myself what is lies and deceit… watching every munute of the ARC opened my eyes to the fact that the gb lie…and I will never allow them or the elders to tell me what to do again.
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 joe says:

 June 7, 2016 at 8:23 pm
 
Hey Idontknowwhatodo, this has nothing to do with putting you down i’m sorry you felt that way. Rather its just a basic academic standard of referencing. Neither was i counselling you either. I was just making a factual statement whether you agree or not is not my problem. We will all be accountable for our actions at some point in time.

 
 
 
 
 M Saurus says:

 June 6, 2016 at 9:30 am
 
So, Joe – how would your fellow elders feel about you participating in a discussion (or even looking at) on an “apostate” website? You have committed a disfellowshipping offense.
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 Zappa-Esque says:

 June 5, 2016 at 8:14 am
 
This is all about Fear – Ramping. And brain-washing. There must surely be some desperation within the hallowed halls of GB-dom right now.
 If you visit http://www.forum18.org/ you will notice that many religions are under the cosh in different countries – not just JW. Org –
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 Telescopium says:

 June 5, 2016 at 10:49 am
 
If Video #6 is indeed about depression, then I too am disgusted by the portrayal. Would a wounded soldier be disloyal to his commander because he can’t run as fast as his uninjured comrades?
I find that people who have never experienced deep depression do not understand the terminology used to describe the effects on the depressed mind. The video producers seem to fall into this category. They do try to convey the sister’s pain (I’m sure they have many examples to draw from) but the solutions betray their lack of understanding.
For me, depression tricks me into not wanting to feel better. Taking my hope of living away from me takes with it any reason or desire to do anything, making simple tasks (like just getting out of bed) impossible because there’s no reason to. If you then throw in ACTUAL reasons not to get out of bed (Saturday field service, Sunday meetings) you’re mixing a recipe for a whole batch of depressed Witnesses, which is what seems to be the case.
I’m glad I left. The year after my wife and I made the decision was the hardest year of my life. But now we look at the Organization with a different point of view and try to laugh at how zany everything is.
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 ScotWm says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:11 am
 
From the Bunker video: “Anything that stirs up unclean thoughts is worthless, and I should turn my eyes away.”
Watchtower cult members should avoid reading from the old testament. Those ancient accounts of gross sexual misconduct and genocidal mass murderer will certainly stir up unclean thoughts.
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 Telescopium says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:42 pm
 
And what about the Song of Solomon?
“The curves of your thighs are like ornaments.”
 “Your navel is a round bowl.”
 “My breasts are like towers.”
Better turn my eyes away… because it’s startin’ to get pretty hot in here.
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 ScotWm says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:23 pm
 
That’s a good one. Here’s another one:
“Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” (1 Sam 15:3)
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 Chiafade says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:07 pm
 
I’ll add my two cents with this one : “The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.” Hosea 13:16
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 Cartan says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:30 am
 
I never comment the posts, but I think this one deserves real attention. I am a fader, just like many people here, and I started to get in touch with the JW thing that I was “missing” for not being there anymore by following your blog and Patheos, basically. In the future I will write Lloyd to thank him for his great effort in bringing to light many of the obscure things that happens behind Kingdom Hall’s doors, and are not taken seriously by people outside, sometimes. For now I want to resume what this “bunker video” shows me about the future directions of the JW Organization: they’re going full cult. Although there always have been this kind of “apocalyptic” message in conventions (the old “district congress”, I guess), it’s clear that the organization wants to get rid of ANY kind of reason, critics, and independent thought. As Lloyd pointed in some video before, the more dense literature such as the old book “Insight” and even others that simulated some kind of “erudiction” are now cast away, replaced by dumb and melodramatic videos with childish moral lessons about being “loyal” without question. Some things that specially called my attention in this drama are:
 1) The “sister in work” tale:
 I think this is really a misogynist story, when JW’s organization passes the following (not so subtle) lesson: Women working and thinking for themselves are bad. The demand of women for not being “submissive” and the fight for equal rights mave have reached the “adorable sisters”, as the one that enters with the husband in the ending of the movie is shown as an example: she doesn’t even speaks without her husband’s permission. That is the lesson JW will learn in this part: “Do not be an independent woman that think for yourself. You can be the supporting wife or you can be the depressed, emotionally cripped young sister that probably suffers for not finding a husband, but don’t you dare to find a job and be a normal human being.”
2) The “brother Kevin’s” tale:
 This tale again attacks any kind of independence as dangerous to spirituallity: brother Kevin is not fully commited to the nonsense, pretty much as most of the witnesses I met, they do what they have to do, but don’t sell their things and go where is needed. The brother Kevin is the “common witness” that maybe even has some independent thought. Now this witnesses are being accused of cowardice and laziness.
 I wonder where this kind of propaganda will take the organization: maybe more people inside that see themselves as Kevin will commit hardly, or you fall slowly, just fading, while the accusation keeps on. This new way of JW’s teaching is given us, the “sordid apostates”, something good, although: these are the same teachings we know our entire lives and become questioners and criticizers, but now they are all in video, for anyone to see, clear as water, and this is JW’s organization bringing they worst to light. I hope that all this can bring more people inside to think, even for a moment, and not to see this as a “sign of the end being real close”, and let themselves go along the hardcore-cult way that the organization seems to be going now.
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:13 pm
 
@Cartan, I agree. I recently had an acute crisis of faith that precipitated my decision to stop attending meetings and preaching, but looking back, I realized that for years I have always identified more easily with many of the ‘bad examples’ like Kevin.
The dramas and skits often have characters who are clearly doing the wrong thing in anyone’s eyes. That’s a common theme in morality plays from any source. I’m not talking about those.
In Watchtower plays there are often more subtle examples where people are just trying to do ordinary things that are not actually wrong in normal circles. Like, um, having coffee with your co-workers, for example.
I realized, on my own and before this article, that I always saw myself as the person who was shown to be doing the wrong thing.
And I always thought it was ridiculous to be cast that way and I always just thought to myself: I’m pretty sure that counsel was intended for me and others like myself, but I’m actively choosing to ignore it.
Now, admittedly for a time, most of my life, in fact, I would wonder (according to the principle of being faithful in least) if my attitude would result in my eventual demise at Armageddon.
Sure it’s not a big deal to ignore this counsel now, but one day my life may depend on it.
But now I’m just more convinced that this is evidence that this is not and was never the truth.
God wouldn’t shame or condemn us for having a pleasant conversation with our co-workers, or having nice things or a job we enjoy that isn’t pioneering.
I have never wanted to be promiscuous or to abuse drugs or to hurt other people in any way. I have only ever wanted what lots of people want. A comfortable home, good friends I can spend time with, to make memories, to share meals, to have a husband and children who love me. Even to volunteer and help others less fortunate through actual charities that solve problems now.
And there are so many times and so many ways the society and it’s publications and programs make those things seem abnormal and perverse, like pursuing them will result in God’s disapproval and earn adverse judgment.
They tell us that it seems innocent, but it’s not. It’s a trap and a diversion from what’s really important.
They want us to see Kevin and decide not to be like him, but it’s true, many of us are already trying to be normal and more like everyone else we share the planet with.
And many of us will refuse to change course.
That’s not the bad thing they are making it out to be. And I hope more people will see themselves as Kevin and realize that the problem is not us, it’s them!
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 Grace says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:52 pm
 
Fallingangel 75,
You make so many good points. I like how you say that the older ones aren’t that important anymore above. I think you are on to something there. It’s all geared up for attracting a newer generation. The old one’s can just go away & retire. There not needed anymore.
Also, I think we all have a bit of “kevinism” in us that’s why his character seems to draw so much emotion from me. Kevin isn’t stupid & doesn’t want to be so fanatic that he throws away his logical thinking to follow along with someone else’s silly ideas. Yet he’s being treated like someones who deserves a death sentence.
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 Cartan says:

 June 7, 2016 at 10:36 am
 
I was raised a JW in some kind of “old way”, like learning to do entire talks for people in preaching using the back of the bible and having some kind of independence to study and make questions, so that I grew open to the contradictory, even though I was an active and “exemplar” member of the congregation. The older brothers really liked me because I knew things far ahead of the basic sunday’s watchtower study and could talk about other subjects, but I watched this new 2000’s generation comes with very less reasoning and more appeal to emotion and religious catharsis. By now I know that my disposition to listen others and the other opinions that make me find for myself the failures in the religion: I even frequently visited “apostates” sites during my active period, because I always thought that “if it is the ‘truth’, then there is no argument that could prove it failed.” Well, here I am, and I am sure that the GB understood that no concession can be given, and that this system of belief is so flawed that it can only be sustained by fear and threat, so that’s what they will do by now.
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 ScotWm says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:32 am
 
The Governing Body uses repetition, repetition, repetition as its primary brainwashing technique. Although it was difficult, I watched the entire Bunker video. In this 28 minute video, the name “Jehovah” was used 34 times. The same level of repetition occurs in all of the other 2016 conven-shun videos. This is an obvious attempt to create the belief that loyalty to the Watchtower equals loyalty to Jehovah.
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 Twmack says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:53 am
 
It’s obvious they’ve got some imaginative writers and
 schemers at HQ. Recently they came out with the line.-
“All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may
 receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic
 or human standpoint or not”. / All very mysterious.
A well known writers technique to keep the readers turning
 the pages, pose some puzzle, but don’t give the answer,
 keep them on the edge of their seat , guessing.
Now we’ve got the “Bunker” pilot episodes, which will
 probably turn into a long running series,
 like the X Files. There’s a major flaw in their scheme
 though, this story has no end, it just goes on and on
 and we’ve heard it all before. BORING !
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 Iwuztheir says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:04 pm
 
Yeah awesome stuff. Anyone else catch the changing of the message from what Jesus commanded (the good news) to a persecution-inciting judgement message?
Also, was anyone else told to ride minimum 4 to a car to the conv. or just certain venues? I’m really curious.
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 Grace says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:59 pm
 
Iwuztheir,
Yes I’m sure that line was deliberate to put into the subconscious of the diehard followers. To be more judgemental & not to become tolerant of others opinions. That would be the beginning of accepting outside criticism to their deluded thinking.
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 Grace says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:13 pm
 
When you think about it, this religion relies on the adherents being extremely judgemental on others. Otherwise it wouldn’t survive.
If you look up the antonym for judgemental, you have words like; undiscriminating, undemanding, unfussy, charitable & forgiving.
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 KimJones says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:11 pm
 
This article has me thinking so much to the point of distraction. I just put my burrito inside the freezer but I was trying to put it in the microwave. I had to reopen the freezer door to pull it out. It’s in the microwave now. I was just thinking a person is supposed to return to Jehovah God because of their love for Jehovah not because of peer pressure. Something is wrong. A mother who wont pick up a phone to answer it to see if her daughter is ok has the wrong attitude and is acting as a bad parent. It seems like the mother is showing the kind of person she nis and it’s not good. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The society causes people to act and behave against their own judgement. Makes me have chills thinking about it.
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 Grace says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:04 pm
 
Kimjones,
That part disturbed me too. What kind of horrible, heartless mother would do that to their own child. Having lost my child, that part made my blood boil! To see that cruel behaviour coming from someone who is supposed to be more mature than the daughter.
It’s not like she stole from them, beat them up or killed somebody. She had a boyfriend for god’s sake. You would think that a normal parents reaction to a child that slept with someone she hardly knows would be to work on helping them build their self worth up not throwing them out like a piece of garbage. Only stupid people behave like that.
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 ruthlee says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:30 pm
 
Well I’m still not going to this convention. There is nothing to persuade me to go. Do you think there is a place at warwick for the chosen faithful who donate the most or are nubile young virgins? It is verging on the ridiculous all this fearmongering. It will definitely traumatise the children who watch this. Its a good job I’m getting raptured beforehand I will miss out in all that anxiety and trouble!!!! cheers Ruthlee
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 Dwc says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:41 pm
 
These videos are going to “strengthen” the brothers and sisters because they genuinely long for that new system. They long for Christ to come and do away with this wicked world. They long for a system that is nothing like this one.
So the concept of this video series will appeal to them! Hell it appealed to me. I long for a different economic and political world. We all do (I think 😉
But at the end of the day the message is clear. No matter what we tell you do it and you will survive! No matter the evils you are going to hear that this organization has committed just listen to us cause we are gods channel for these things.
What upsets me most is that as my wife puts it, “where else are you going to get your spiritual knowledge from?” I said the bible. “How will you understand it?”
 “I can read. It doesn’t take me long to know what the bible is saying”
It saddens me. No thoroughly examining the scriptures as the boreans were admonished for.
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 Telescopium says:

 June 5, 2016 at 2:17 pm
 
Dwc,
 When my wife and I started to do what was asked (read Bible daily, increase field service, join RBC, prepare for meetings) we actually started seeing all the old familiar scriptures in their actual context.
Nothing more enlightening than to find out that:
 -Paul’s “refuse” contained things prescribed by the Law.
 -“Marry only in the lord” was directed at widows.
 -The whole “Not providing for those who are his own, being worse than one without faith” was also talking about caring for widows.
This was the beginning of waking up with a new perspective on the religion we both grew up with.
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 Dwc says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:43 pm
 
Really appreciate the experience. Here is thing as I’ve said before. I do really appreciate the spiritual truths… But the bible asks us to move on from the elementary teachings. Yet the wtbs is asking us every meeting to digest and learn from Sophia and Caleb?!?!
I actually knew 10 years ago this was not the truth. However for my marriage and family input on the airs as so many have.
Now my wife and I are at crossroads and I pray and hope she will see what I have to say. I have so much evidence… The new generations understanding with including Sanderson was just too much for me.
 I will never have anything to do with organized religion again.
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 Gary says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:45 pm
 
A real and genuine thank you for the article and for Lloyds rebuttal.
 After reading the article and watching Lloyds video it struck me as to why I was so unhappy as a Jehovahs Witness. Endless rules, regulations and demands, it’s almost like saying your guilty for using your own mind, it was so depressing 🙁
Fear fear fear guilt guilt guilt, your not good enough, do better!
 Wow that’s brought memories back. . . Thank you so much for helping me understand and how I had been manipulated by these people.
🙂 nice one x
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 Peter the Digger says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm
 
Funny that JWs don’t like ‘dissent’ – doesn’t the Bible have an account where Abraham argued with Jehovah himself about how many ‘good’ people would have to be in Sodom for Jehovah not to destroy it – Abraham ‘bargains down’ Jehovah from 50 right down to 5. And as for ‘the bunker’ / great tribulation, tghe JW’s once deduced that 2 major world events must occur just before then. 1) A ‘Declaration of Peace and Security’ (OK we’ve had e.g. 1988 when the UN declared a Year of Peace and Security, but OK no Armaggeddon in 1989, and 2) After (?) the Peace and Security, a turning on world religion, the main ones, Christianity, Islam etc, and then the JWs get picked on too. It always e=seems strange to me that AFTER we got P & S, world govts would bother to ‘turn on mainstream religion’, but the Bible seems to say ‘Jehovah will put it in their minds’ (to do something we won’t expect). But does this mean we’ll see Armaggeddon coming some months ahead, if we watch world events??
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 Dwc says:

 June 5, 2016 at 12:57 pm
 
It was 1986 that was the year of peace. But that was just religious groups not countries.
As well the peace and security “understanding” has changed. It will be after the attack on “false religion” (I believe all organized religion, WTBS included) will be attacked marking the beginning of the GT. Then after that has been accomplished the cry of peach and security will be “shouted” in a worldwide sentiment.
I actually do not disagree with that. As I said there are some good biblical truths given. However the dependable not on Jesus, the source of truth and light, has been fully replaced by the “faithful slave”. Sickening IMHO.
It seems because they are christs brothers they are therefore already on a level playing field and thus Jehovah’s mediator on earth.
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 Chiafade says:

 June 5, 2016 at 11:33 pm
 
I said this before and I’ll say it again. If watchtower said it or implied you can comfortably throw it in the trash and never worry about it again.
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 Gary says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:06 pm
 
It’s all so contrived, that’s how I would describe my Jehovahs Witness experience.
 Be seen, clap on que, please stand now, hours and conditional love, all contrived and ultimately untruthful of the real man inside. I was so unhappy.
 I have more faith now after leaving the JWs
 At last I’m free to be me, no need to hide and cover the real me, no need to be seen, no guilt and no more fear and no more give give give, and I would have continued to do so until I realised they didn’t care for me at all, it was all on condition, theirs.
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 Gary says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:21 pm
 
I did enjoy 🙂 the use of a bit of choice language (passion) (how’d you keep a lid on it?, lots of editing no doubt 🙂 ) I would of told them years ago if I didn’t always get my mucking words fuddled.
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:49 pm
 
Haha. I see what you did there, Gary.;-)
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 Gary says:

 June 5, 2016 at 1:59 pm
 
😉
 Lloyd should release a bloopers video, I’m sure it would be hilarious 🙂
Obviously bleeped in various places:-)
 Apostates are so miserable . . .its almost like waiting for armeggedon in a bunker 🙂
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 Karl says:

 June 5, 2016 at 3:15 pm
 
When I first saw the videos I didn’t make the connection between the “negative thoughts” and depression. I think some of the reason for the odd depiction was due to an attempt to make the videos apply to as many people as possible – the “negative thoughts” could just as easily be doubts about the cult, or its leadership and the video would be just as applicable.
The video about the “not porn” on the guy’s phone is the same – they want to control the thoughts and behaviors of as many as possible, so they leave it vague hoping to get more to apply it to themselves. The result is that the video is a little clunky and awkward, but on day 3 most of the JWs in attendance are exhausted from sitting in uncomfortable seats for 3 days and they’re not really thinking about anything they’re being told at that point.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:32 pm
 
@Karl
 That’s a good point about how tired all the R&F are by the end of day 3. I never made the connection before, but sleep deprivation and/or discomfort are some of the ways cults try to break down your defenses against indoctrination. Albeit a mild form, I think this element does come into play at the conventions.
WS
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 Iwuztheir says:

 June 5, 2016 at 9:25 pm
 
That’s interesting, that explains why I felt so much better, and couldn’t really remember the things I “learned” or the different a parts of the convention/assembly when I didn’t stay all the way through and had a chance to get adequate rest and food
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 Dwc says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:49 pm
 
Obviously they don’t like the chive lol
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 Katya says:

 June 5, 2016 at 5:37 pm
 
We were “in” the org form 80′-97′. Both in S.F. Bay Area, and Washington State. Presently, the one thing that stands out more then anything else is after 35 years of being around the org I have never seen such a wide path of destruction of families. One after another, there is destruction, be it husbands and wives, children and extended family members. Set aside everything else, and this shines through as the most prominent. So horridly sad!
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:36 pm
 
@katya. I’m considering your comments about the wide path of destruction as I struggle daily with the question of whether to try to fight for my marriage and wait to see if my husband also has an awakening or whether to cut my losses and move on while I am still young and have more options.
And I keep thinking that if you really believe that your spouse or parents or siblings or children were going to DIE and be separated from you forever, but not for being horrible, hurtful people, instead for being spiritually weak or for giving in to temptation of some sort, even ‘temporary enjoyment of sin’…. Why wouldn’t you still want to spend what time is left with them? Why wouldn’t you think that loving them and showing them kindness would have a more positive effect than shunning? The entire practice is both unloving and counterintuitive.
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 Iwuztheir says:

 June 5, 2016 at 9:36 pm
 
I’m sorry to hear about your situation.. When one spouse awakens and the other does not, it can be very difficult. I’m going through the same thing here. All I get is rationalizations and side-steps when I bring things up. Some people have been able to help awaken their spouses but they had to be gentle and slow and careful, asking a lot of questions to get the other person thinking. For me, I’m concerned about my very young child and so I know that if my wife doesn’t awaken, she will be forced to leave w/ the child because there’s no way I can let her be subjugated to these wolves (they would say I’m a spiritual danger). But for those w/ no children, if it’s hopeless, perhaps you can leave the Borg and let the chips fall where they may, the sooner the better.
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 5, 2016 at 10:14 pm
 
@Iwuztheir, terrible choices, eh?
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 ruthlee says:

 June 6, 2016 at 1:43 am
 
me too my husband andhis vast tribe all in and asleep. will justify every mistake they make and will be one of the last standing. That grieves me because I made a vow before god but my faith is more important and it is not jdubland ruthlee

 
 
 
 fallingangel75 says:

 June 6, 2016 at 5:25 am
 
I have been speaking to my husband little by little about my enlightenment and the conversation always ends with him telling me that I am an apostate and I’m trying to destroy his faith and our marriage.
What gives me any hope at all is this: he also tells me that he loves me more than anything or anyone in the world.
He says he would do anything to save me. If he had to, he would die to save me.
Some people say these types of things and you know it is bs and lies.
But my husband is that kind of person. He is a quietly heroic person, like a policeman or firefighter who will risk his own safety to save strangers, and not think he did anything more than any decent person would do.
I know he means it when he says he would risk everything to save me from physical danger.
I continue to tell him about the emotional pain that I am in because of this whole situation. He continues to remind me that as much as he loves me, he doesn’t and shouldn’t love me more than he loves Jehovah.
He also continues to say that the only reason he’s a good person is because he’s a JW.
I am certain that I don’t need organized religion to be a good person, to be a good wife and mother.
But he keeps saying that he does. He needs the structure and accountability of a religious community. He needs to feel like he must answer to God.
I’m not sure who he will be without ‘the truth’. At first I thought he would be the same man I love, but he does keep telling me otherwise.
I honestly don’t know. He used to be in the world. He did not grow up a witness and he tells me that he was an awful person.
The truth transformed him, he says.
I didn’t know him then, but he is so kind to me and caring -except for this- that I cannot imagine that this is not the real him.
Even as we have this mighty struggle, and fuss and fight over it, daily he finds ways to show me he loves me.
Small acts of affection, like rubbing my neck and shoulders after a long day at work or drawing a bath for me and bringing me a glass of wine.
He is going out of his way to make me feel loved and appreciated.
All without stipulations or conditions and not asking anything in return.
He’s that guy. And he always has been for as long as I’ve known him.
It isn’t the love-bombing people speak of. He didn’t just start because he is afraid that I will leave him. It’s not a last ditch effort to salvage our faltering union.
So when he tells me that he would be selfish and uncaring, angry and perhaps unfaithful if he wasn’t a witness, I don’t believe it.
But he continues to say so. And I would feel very stupid indeed if I convinced him to leave and our marriage did deteriorate as a result.
I don’t want to strip him of religion if I will still lose the man I love, even if, especially if, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I don’t know if he really thinks so or if it is a manipulation. I know him very well, but not well enough to tell whether he’s bluffing or if it is what he believes.
I think it is what he believes, and it’s a problem for me if he wholeheartedly believes he needs religion and decides that all restraints are off of he leaves the congregation.
So I’m not sure how earnestly I should try to get him out. I’m not sure if I should stay and say nothing more, or if I should leave him and let him sort it all out without me.
I have said this to him, and he always begs me not to leave him. He says that even if I divorced him, he would still consider us married in the eyes of God until I married someone else.
And he says that in a committed, loving way, not in a creepy, stalker way, lol!
Anyway, so uncertain about what the future holds for us.
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 Angela says:

 June 6, 2016 at 10:15 am
 
fallingangel75
Seems a really difficult situation you are in.
I am in a split up family too and it hurts like hell. I probably never will get over it.
My sincere sympathy goes out to you.
I hope you understand how fortunate you are having such a loving husband. They surely don´t grow on trees. Even though you are in a difficult situation you are a lucky woman.
A matrimony is before God, not GB or religion. Is it possible for you to just be husband and wife and put religion aside?
Give him a promise to respect him for his faith if he also respect you for your point of view without namecallings like apostate. It is a respectless labeling based on fanatism with rules made up that you no longer want to partake in.
You have to be true to yourself. Ask him if he wants an empty shell for a wife, a person who does what is expected of her without a true heart in it. That is daily forced to live lying to herself and all those around her. If he REALLY loves you he would never demand that.
Maybe he himself genuinly needs religion for now to keep standards up. Give him time. He needs to be true to himself too. He most probably feel challenged in his conviction and needs to protect himself.
It is difficult for him not to be able to share what he values the most with the woman he loves. And the same for you, not be able to share your awakened insights in a calm and neutral environment.
It goes without saying, it creates a lot of tensions.
The positive part is that you have been a JW and know exaktly what he knows and feels. You know the terminology and driving force.
Support him.
Create a calm environment for him to be a JW.
And ask him if he wants to create a peaceful environment for you to be truthful and honest about what is in your mind and heart.
And if you love him, let him feel secure of your commitment to your marrige.
If he says he needs to love Jehovah more than you, just say… that´s great.
That means that he has a commitment to you as his wife and not as a religious member (a sister).
Jehovah created husband and wife to be united. Jehovah did not create them as brother and sister cultmember.
And remember that it is written that all the commandments given from Jehovah is based on love and nothing else.
So your husbands love for Jehovah is only beneficial for you as Gods laws overrule GB:s rules of action.
Wish you the best of luck.

 
 
 fallingangel75 says:

 June 6, 2016 at 7:55 pm
 
@Anglea, thank you very much for your kind words. It would be a difficult situation no matter what, but what makes it more heart-rending is this: 6 months ago he told me that he believes he is one of Christ’s brothers.
I was already having doubts about whether this was the truth and he’d been acting strangely as well.
I thought he was also questioning our beliefs and I was wondering and worrying about how we would make our exit without making too many waves.
When we finally got it all out in the open, it was terrible.
I introduced my position in the hypothetical. I asked him what he thought about people – good people who love God and neighbor – who have seen the bad side of the organization.
Those who know about child molestation and battered wives and other injustices that were mishandled to the point that they cannot believe the witnesses are God’s representative people on earth.
Do you really believe Jehovah will kill them all?
Yes! He said with firm conviction.
Really? No mercy?
No, he said. Jehovah has to cleanse the earth completely and start over just like in the days of Noah.
When I told him I was putting myself in that class of people, he looked pained and said, No. Not you.
Why not me? I said. Because you love me? Now that makes it unfair and unjust?
I feel like I lost so much in that moment. I was just coming to terms with accepting that paradise is a lie and I won’t have eternal life, and the fact that the here and now is all we have, and then I had the realization that he was more determined than ever before to stay in.
Because he’s going to heaven to rule with Christ.
So even if I put the blinders back on, I know he no longer has the desire to share the common future we’d always talked about. He is still planning to leave me behind when he goes to be with God.
And I know he will never be able to see through the GB and their propaganda as long as he believes that he is one of the anointed.
But, yes, he does believe our marriage is sacred in the eyes of God and even if I am an apostate, he should still love me as earnestly as he did before.
Even the elders have instructed him to show me nothing but love.
I think I get a temporary pass on shunning because of the change in his hope, but I don’t know how long my special exemption will last.
Maybe not beyond this convention program.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 Julien says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:40 pm
 
The only power the WT has over another is whatever power you allow these imbecils to have over you. Their whole concept of love is so immature, superficial and fake. Find genuine people. If you need god and religion so badly in your life find another church. These people are a joke. What a waste of energy and of time.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm
 
@Julien
 Absolutely correct about the power. Once I realized that I was responsible for giving the org power over me and made a conscious decision to no longer do so, it was much easier to fade.
WS
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 M Saurus says:

 June 6, 2016 at 11:09 am
 
WS – that says it all in a nutshell for me. Thank you!
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 Big B says:

 June 6, 2016 at 5:43 pm
 
@ M Saurus & Winston Smith
Ditto. They cannot control you nor have power over you unless YOU let them have it.
Write no letters of disassociation, period! Why not? It is what THEY want and to do so would continue their control over YOU.
Don’t acknowledge them in any way, shape, fashion or form. They (the elders, Circuit Overseers or G.B.) will get a clue soon enough and will definitely leave you alone.
And really, isn’t that what all of us truly want, “TO BE LEFT ALONE AND NOT BOTHERED BY THEIR CULTIST IDIOCY”?!
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 Miker Tower says:

 June 5, 2016 at 6:45 pm
 
I ask permission to translate this excellent article in to Spanish.
miker
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 FadingJosie says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:22 am
 
Thank you for this article. I shall indeed go and watch the video.
 Bunker video 7 is the only one that I have watched so far and I must say that as a South African I fail to see how our brothers and sisters will relate to the so called simplification of lifestyle, for many living here and indeed many other third world countries, the so called simplification would be like moving into a palace! Unless of course there will be something produced in the region relative to the economic situation.
 On the whole, this series seems to be fear mongering a la 1975 and I know many who will lap it up and see it as the GB knowing that the end is upon us. The judgement message will begin shortly after the convention I am sure and it will be directed at the “Kevins” in the organisation, not the world.
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The Worst Convention Ever – Part 2: The Bunker
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Posted on June 4, 2016
 
worst2articleBy now, you may have already seen what have become known as the “Bunker” videos shown during the 2016 Regional convention. The films are centred around a small group of Witnesses huddled in a basement converted into a makeshift bunker, during the period of worldwide turmoil that Watchtower teaches will take place just before the battle of Armageddon, known as the Great Tribulation.
The narrative moves between the characters as they each flashback to a moment that occurred before the Great Tribulation broke out.
The videos are intended as teaching aids to help Jehovah’s Witnesses take to heart the lessons that the Governing Body wants them to learn.
But what are these lessons? Follow me into the Bunker and lets take a detailed tour though events that Watchtower teaches will happen in the very near future, and the actions and attitudes it believes Witnesses will need to show in order to survive them.
Bunker Video 1 – Pride
Screenshot 2016-06-02 21.16.18Bunker 1 claims to be a video about the dangers of pride, and features an Elder recounting an example of when the sin of pride almost got the better of him. He explains how another elder at his hall, presumably the School Overseer, gave him some feedback on mistakes he made whilst giving a public talk.
How does his wife react to this? Does she say; “do you think what he said was valid?” or “Did he have a point?” No. She says;

Please tell me you didn’t argue with him.
The wife is not concerned about whether the feedback is valid or not. Her only concern is that he might not have unquestioningly accepted it. The husband replies;

No of course not.
It is as if the very idea would be absurd.
What becomes clear is that the “right” attitude the elder is expected to display here is to unquestioningly accept whatever direction is given to him. No evaluation. No pushback.
It’s healthy to accept constructive criticism, yes, but one should always be ready to push back and challenge criticism or instructions if one does not believe them to be valid after careful consideration. To be a well rounded individual, it is vital to strike this balance between open mindedness and self confidence.
The kind of behaviour being presented here is not that of a well rounded individual capable of evaluating and accepting constructive criticism, rather it is that of an intellectual doormat, who will blindly accept any command from authority and say “thank you” at the end of it. Indeed the dangerous sin as presented here is not even that he argued the point, it’s that he felt resentment even though he blindly accepted it.
Essentially, what had been presented at the outset as a discussion of the dangers of “pride” morphs into a lesson about unquestioningly accepting orders from Watchtower authority with a smile.
Keep that in mind. It won’t be the last time we see this theme of blind unquestioning loyalty sneaking around in the shadows during the Bunker series.
Bunker Video 2 – Improper entertainment
Screenshot 2016-06-02 21.29.03Bunker 2 deals with a young man watching pornography on his phone.
Sort of.
It’s actually quite hard to work out what he is supposed to have done. He specifically states that he is NOT watching pornography, but states that the material he is watching is giving him immoral thoughts. Thus it’s hard to work out exactly what the material was supposed to have been. Steamy movies? Artwork featuring attractive people? Catalogue photographs? In any case, the man gives us the comment that:
Anything that stirs up unclean thoughts is worthless, and I should turn my eyes away.
That’s quite a broad and vague command. One cannot simply drop out of sensory experience, closing one’s eyes every time an attractive person passes you on the street.
Much of how you feel about this video might depend on your view of sexual morality as presented by Jehovah’s Witnesses or by faiths with similar teachings on sex. If you share this viewpoint, you may find little to criticise here, and feel the advice well captures a spiritually clean view of sex. Others may consider this view of sex to be repressive and unhealthy. Much will depend on your subjective view.
However, one might also suggest that Watchtower is trying to make Witnesses a little bit afraid of their internet phones, because there is something on that phone even more dangerous to a Witness than pornography.
That thing is: Google.
On the privacy of their smartphone, all a Witness has to do is type a few words into a search engine, say “Jehovah’s Witnesses child abuse,” or “Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning” or even just “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” and of the many sites that will spring up in response, only one will be jw.org. I remember sitting in a meeting, reading JW Survey articles during one of the more boring talks on my trusty smartphone. A free flow of information is not something Watchtower is in favour of for its followers, and today’s smartphones are portals to all the information in the world…
Bunker Video 3 – Bad associations
Screenshot 2016-06-02 21.48.19Bunker 3 deals with the wife of the elder we met in the first video, relating an experience of how she almost fell into “bad association” at work when her workmates invited her to grab a coffee with them in the break area.
The people in the office appear to be offering genuine friendship, but the friendship the Witness is offering in return comes with an ulterior motive. She apparently has no interest in them as people, just as potential recruits for her religion. As she states;
I still thought I could give a witness and actually teach them something about Jehovah.
At one point we see her try to share a scripture, only to be horrified when the people she is talking to offer an opinion different to hers, as if they had no right to interrupt her attempts at preaching. She closes her bible in shock. One of the co-workers smiles knowingly and states…
Too much information, right?
While most intellectually healthy people would consider the sharing of viewpoints and information to be a good thing, here it is presented as something that is damaging to the faithful. Additionally, the video seems to infer that her friends talking about families and husbands, a perfectly normal topic for most people, was somehow a bad thing. The Witness laments…
In reality, I was the one being taught, and I was a quick learner
This video casts the sister as if she is some weak creature with no agency, blown hither and thither by the opinions of those around her. No thought is given to the fact that a mature, rational person should be able to evaluate new viewpoints, decide if they are valid, and reject or adopt them accordingly.
No, she is presented being as doe eyed and impressionable as a small child. I can imagine that many Witnesses might feel uncomfortable and even a little insulted by the assumption from the Governing Body that they are all this impressionable and intellectually feeble.
Bunker Video 4 – Fear of Man
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.16.40Bunker 4 tells us the saga of Kevin.
Kevin is a witness who isn’t in the bunker. The narrative implies that he was always a bit of a spiritually weak Christian, but apparently the final straw for poor Kevin was, according to one of the Bunker folk:

When our message changed form good news to judgement, he was telling everyone that it would make problems for us, and that he was done.
It is inferred that one of the reasons that the Witnesses might be in hiding is that their “message of judgement” helped trigger the Great Tribulation and caused the population and the governments of the world to rise up against them and hunt them down.
Let’s set aside the acknowledged cases of repressive regimes (such as Vladimir Putin’s Russia) persecuting Jehovah’s Witnesses, because often those regimes persecute other religious groups just as badly, and instead focus on the idea that all democratic, liberal governments will turn specifically on Watchtower because Watchtower will begin to proclaim “judgement.”
The problem with this delusion of grandeur is that the Governing Body have clearly never heard of the Westboro baptist church.
For those who don’t know, Westboro is an infamous fundamentalist church known for antagonising the population of United States with its own messages of “judgement”, picketing the funerals of US Servicemen with signs saying “Thank God for dead solders,” and turning up at Gay Pride events with “God hates fags” banners.
The Church sets out to be as antagonistic and fractious as possible with its “judgement messages” going far beyond the limits of any message that Watchtower would ever contemplate carrying. Yet as of 2016, the church members of Westboro have not been hunted down into bunkers by Government goons. Most citizens just dismiss them as unpleasant idiots.
I humbly propose that the Witnesses can, in most free countries, make their message as judgemental as they like, and the very worst that will happen is that people will simply consider them to be a bunch of jerks.
If Governments in liberal democracies DO ever come for Watchtower, it will be because of things like failure to report child abuse, or the enforcement of cruel and abusive practices like shunning, and not because Witnesses started walking around with signs saying “Jehovah will trample you in the wine-press of his anger.”
Bunker Video 5 – Appreciation
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.19.52Bunker 5 is very interesting, especially if one is aware of the recent problems Watchtower has experienced worldwide with news coverage of its child abuse scandal, and with difficulties concerning its “New Light” teaching of the “Overlapping Generations.”
The video begins with the bunker crew reading Psalm 116:12:

“With what will I repay Jehovah, for all the good he has done for me?”
When asked for suggested applications of the scripture, one of the Bunker dwellers says:

What really makes a difference is how we respond to that goodness. For some in the congregation, those good things became a test of their loyalty.
Hmm. Where are they going with this? What are the “good things?” Are they talking about the ransom sacrifice? The hope for the paradise earth? The Bible?
No.
We soon see that this video is yet another example of bait and switch.
The “good things” in the context of this film are basically whatever the Organisation decides to do or say. We see a montage of announcements being made from the platform and of “new light” being given as teachings are changed. We see a couple of brothers looking unhappy about it in the audience. A stern voiceover warns us that these brothers…

…found fault with what the organisation was doing, or not doing
I find that specific wording very interesting.
One thing that the organisation is not doing right now is reporting child abusers to the police, and I know from my own experiences that more and more witnesses are being exposed to this fact. Many Witness often deny this practice exists out of genuine ignorance, and you can sometimes tell it has upset them when they see proof of the claims.
It’s impossible that they are not talking to the elders about it, and it’s impossible that reports of this disquiet won’t have reached the Governing Body. Given the context of the video, it seems clear Watchtower is saying that any criticism of what it “isn’t doing” is disloyal, and fails to show appreciation to God.
I can’t see a loving God appreciating anyone who helps a child molester evade justice. I can’t see how anyone can possibly class this as a “good thing”
Additionally, it is implied that the frowning brothers do not like the “New Light” being taught. Now, there is only really one major “new light teaching in recent years that could ruffle the feathers (although the 2016 shunning clampdown might give it a close run for its money), and that is the teaching of the Overlapping Generations.
As explained here in a previous JW Survey article by the site’s founder Lloyd Evans:

For decades Watchtower publications insisted that Armageddon was imminent because, they argued, the generation of anointed Witnesses (who believed they were going to heaven) who witnessed and understood the events of 1914 would not die out before Armageddon arrived.
This claim was based on Matthew 24:34, where Jesus told his followers that the generation that witnessed various apocalyptic signs would not die out until all his words, including the “great tribulation” (the prelude to Armageddon), came true.
Sounds great. Until you realise that this generation of people are now basically all dead. Lloyd continues:

The most recent solution, as proposed by Watchtower in 2010… is to essentially embellish Jesus’ words by suggesting that “this generation” doesn’t have to be just one generation, but can be two.
The first “group” of “this generation” would witness and understand the events of 1914, and the second group would be those who were born before the last individuals in the first group died (hence an “overlapping” generation).
If you don’t understand this, it is not due to any failure on your part. It is because it doesn’t make sense. The teaching rides roughshod over the English language, redefining what “generation” means, and relying on the audience to willfully bypass their logical thinking skills by asserting the incomprehensible as indisputable truth.
After all, if you can arbitrarily insist that a generation can be composed of two groups, why not have three, four, five – on into infinity? The word “generation” quickly loses all meaning.
This teaching came into force shortly before I left, but even at the time I knew from my own discussions with Witnesses that no-one could really explain it, no-one liked discussing it, and on my way out of the faith I pointedly asked one elder if he really believed it and could prove it to me just using the Bible.
He looked a little awkward and suggested the teaching would be “further refined.”
My experience clearly isn’t an isolated one. The problem is apparently so bad that JW Broadcasting had to devote an entire episode to trying to explain it, as seen below, again with analysis from Lloyd Evans.


So, in summary, we see yet another video that claims to be about one thing, appreciation, but actually ends up being about something else, namely: “Stop asking embarrassing questions, stop pointing out flaws in our policies and doctrines, just do what we tell you to do and think what we tell you to think.”
Bunker Video 6 – Self Control
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.23.47Bunker 6 deals with a Sister who admits that the struggle she had to overcome was that of “negative thinking.”
What does she mean by negative thinking?
It’s never expressly stated exactly what this means. Feeling of unworthiness? Low self esteem? I can’t be 100% certain, but listen to the way she describes her emotions:

I would pray, but at times the feelings were so strong, I didn’t know what to do.
Will I ever stop feeling like this?
To me, that sounds like she’s describing depression. I should know: I’ve struggled with depression, as have people close to me. What is the response of the older sister that this apparently seriously depressed person turns to?

The scriptures tell us as Christens we pray for self control in our actions, but we need the same self control for our thoughts.
This sister is essentially told that her depression is her fault. She lacks self control, and needs to read more scriptures and pray harder to control her depression. No mention is made of seeking professional medical help. The sister is simply expected to study the bible, pray about it, and overcome her sinful lack of self control. It’s implied that if she cannot do this, she is disloyal to God. 1 Corinthians 9:25 is invoked to back this up.

Now everyone competing in a contest exercises self-control in all things. Of course, they do it to receive a crown that can perish, but we, one that does not perish.
I will be honest, this video made my blood boil.
As I have said, I have direct experience with how serious an issue depression can be. In the worst case scenario, people can take their own lives. Serious cases of depression often require professional help and sometimes medication, and with such assistance a real improvement in the life of the depressed person can indeed be possible.
But the idea that you should tell a person with depression that they simply need to develop “self control” to cope with the issue is insulting and downright dangerous. You can’t “fix” depression by reading scriptures and implying to the person that their feelings are “their fault” for not having self control.
I don’t really know what else to say here. This video will be like a slap in the face to any Witness genuinely suffering from depression and will only make them feel worse for their “sin” of being depressed.
It could make their fellow witnesses even less understanding, might cause them to view the depressed one as someone lacking self control and loyalty, and thus “bad association,” causing them to withdraw from the depressed Witness. Add into the mix the fact that the need for skilled professional help is totally ignored in the video, and I shudder to think what impact this video may have on vulnerable Witnesses.
Bunker Video 7 – Love
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.29.30The basic theme of Bunker 7 is: “you all have too much stuff.”
It features a pioneer couple, in flashback, describing how they apparently once had a comfortable life, despite both being pioneers. It’s made clear that having a comfortable life is a bad thing. They couple sell up, move to a much smaller home, and get rid of most of their possessions.
Granted, it would nice if Watchtower didn’t try shaming those who work hard and choose to live comfortably within their means, but some people do find that slimming down their life gives them the chance to focus on other life-goals that matter to them. Each to their own.
The problem is, this pioneer couple then decide to attend the School for Kingdom Evangelisers and move to serve where the “need is greater.” I’m sure they feel that Jehovah and his Organisation will care for them….
…the same organisation that is currently slimming down its Bethel staff, getting rid of the older travelling overseers, and generally tossing full time servants out on their ear due to budget cuts. But we’re coming to the end of the video series because in Bunker 8, the police break down the door.
Bunker Video 8 – Faith
Screenshot 2016-06-02 22.34.08There is actually not that much that I found noteworthy about Bunker 8. The Bunker Buddies basically review the previous videos, read a bunch of scriptures to strengthen their faith, the police finally work out that maybe the Witnesses are hiding behind the big white door (what are these, the Keystone Cops?) and the scene fades to black as the armoured thugs close in on our Bunker Brotherhood.
It has to be said though, the overall theme of the series is indeed fascinating. The videos return time and again to the same themes. Stop asking awkward questions. Stop being depressed. Stop questioning New Light. Stop listening to people who have different opinions. Do whatever we tell you and smile when when you say yes sir.
Watchtower convention programs are not written at random. The talks are often a response to issues and trends currently concerning Watchtower’s leaderships. So what can we learn about current trends in the worldwide congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses from this video?
Witnesses are asking awkward questions. Witnesses are depressed. Witnesses are questioning “new light.” Witnesses are listening to other opinions. Not enough Witnesses are doing what they are told – or if they are, they are grumbling.
I don’t think all is well in the land of Watchtower.
I think the Governing Body has a problem. It might not just be the rank and file Witnesses for whom this ends up being the #worstconventionever.
For further analysis of this video, including many points not covered here, please check out the video from JW Survey’s Lloyd Evans below. Believe it or not, this article has not even scratched the surface of how disturbing this video is. Click, if you dare, and Lloyd will take you even further into this crazy bunker shaped rabbit hole.


 
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 Checker says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:22 am
 
I’m looking forward to, in 10 years or so, seeing the little children grown up and having left the org, relating in a youtube video: Ha ha, I was the kid with big classes in the 2016 great tribulation videos LOL.
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 Sam says:

 June 6, 2016 at 3:05 am
 
Why is the “Great Tribulation” necessary? According to the JW organisation Jehovah can see into our hearts, why create all this fear. Why not just step in and kill off all the wicked people like flicking a light switch?
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 JK says:

 June 6, 2016 at 9:32 am
 
exactly
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 Covert Fade says:

 June 6, 2016 at 3:34 pm
 
Sam – That is an excellent point, and one I raised repeatedly when I was a JW to no effect.
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 Man from the lions pit says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:38 pm
 
Maybe because there is somebody who wants or need it.I do believe its not a God. I would tent to look for the culprit on opposite side of the spectrum.If Devil would be the one than you would have to believe at least in universal concept of existence of “Good and Bad”represented by already mention entities.best regards Sam,
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 7, 2016 at 4:27 am
 
Sam, first let me say that I absolutely agree with you, but I believe the human thinking behind it is this: then they will know.
Self-righteous humans want the wicked (in their eyes, whoever they may be) to suffer and be afraid. There’s an ‘I told you so’ aspect as well.
There are many JWs and other fundamentalists who want to see the godless destroyed. These individuals imagine they will watch the carnage and destruction with glee.
I also believe the vast majority of people who think that have never experienced war or intense violence, or even a natural disaster first hand.
But they want there to be a contrast. They want that moment when the wicked will realize that what they have been preaching – the message of judgment – is true. They want the wicked to simultaneously be aware of their own destruction side by side with the salvation of the God-fearing.
They want the wicked to acknowledge the were wrong and to feel regret and fear.
If God made it clean, swift, clinical, and relatively painless, this could not happen. It must be global and traumatic.
If we read the bible we can see that God has always had a flair for theatrical spectacles.*
The Red sea, Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah’s flood….
*and yes, that is sarcasm.
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 Mark W says:

 June 7, 2016 at 2:27 pm
 
Excellent points…thank you so much for making them. I really enjoy all your comments
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 Anonymous says:

 June 8, 2016 at 11:13 am
 
Because the god of Watchtower in Old Testament is portrayed as an egotistical deity who brooks no god before Him and also insists that any one opposing his “chosen people” must “know that I am the Lord [and according to the Pewter Blade, “Jehovah”]. It’s a very over-the-top phrasing too (Ezekiel 33:29; 20:44; and no I’m not referring to 25:17–nerds!)
Furthermore, this Great Trials and/or Tribulation thingy is also a fixture in most evangelical religions that look forward to a Time of Judgement and/or Rapture of the Good prior to Judgement of the Wicked.
But, your focus should really be on why has this cult decided it needs to push the hand of Jehovah toward doomsday midnight. And, I say has decided to push the hand, because their other videos such as the one with Sophia being instructed to tell the implied lesbian couple of their doom would indicate they have taken steps toward issuing “judgement” messages, now.
The theology was always present that before the Great Trib, a judgement message would be issued which was stronger in tone than the publications they always issued, but a review of these since 1874 indicates they’ve always been acerbic in tone. In fact, the “Finished Mystery” book which was compromised later, originally named governments and openly defied legal authorities. If anything, the current group message had become “watered down” since they avoid confrontations, even compromising on letting individuals registered with Selective Service rather than violate law of the land in USA.
Given the signs that hardliners have taken up majority of leadership, I would say we can expect to see some bumping of heads in the coming year or two which may well end up with a siege of the compounds at Tuxedo Park, Palm Coast, Walkill, Paterson, and elsewhere ending in them being the only blistering wieners roasting as though the Lord’s own fire came down and consumed them.
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 June 6, 2016 at 4:25 am
 
OMG. Just watched the videos. Watchtower productions have always been cheesy, but these are just horrific. Not sure if this has been covered, but has anybody noticed that this seems to be the JW equivalent of the 7 deadly sins?
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 Ejecting to Sanity says:

 June 7, 2016 at 12:06 am
 
‘Horrific’ nails it…have been trying to find the right words..revolting, shameful, Satanic, disgusting all rolled into one. Shame on this fake religion. I’ll never look back. I’m so appalled..please bear with my repetitive comments tonight.
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 Searcher says:

 June 6, 2016 at 5:27 am
 
Great article and conclusion! This is exactly my thoughts when I reviewed the videos. The one thing I noticed is how the police tromped around the upstairs floor yelling, “Are there any WITNESSES here?” As if there is nothing more on their minds than a maddening extermination of all JW’s (Nazi SS?). I cannot think of a more text book example of cult propaganda than this series of vids.
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 Minion says:

 June 13, 2016 at 5:37 pm
 
Greetings to all,
The Watchtower Corporation have figured out, if they push the issue against LGBT, then they can claim you see “persecution we told you so”.
In the states theirs a new agenda to widen out understanding about LGBT in our school districts known as ‘Family Values’, its real. Sad thing about it The Watchtower Corporation is right on this one ‘Family Values’ been introduced at school at an early age – 5 year’s young. (Sofia’s video).
What else does The Watchtower Corporation know about?
The pitched nerve at Warwick is swollen. In pain of pins and needles.
Peace out,
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 ligniappe says:

 June 6, 2016 at 6:21 am
 
Here is a short explanation about the English word “the” used for translating the Greek word “ho” (definite article). Since the WT chooses to tell us that “The Great Tribulation” is nearly here they make a basic mistake. The Greek word for “the” is not used in the Greek text at Matt 24:21.
So when quoting the verse the word “the” cannot be used and the verse must be read as there will be “great tribulation” (non capitalised). Why? Because the word “the” is not in that verse of the Greek text.
It can be hard to explain the effect the definite article has but to illustrate, everyone knows what the term “The Great War” means (1914-18). A specific event in time.
But if I said “great war” began in 1914 (see also Dan 12:1) , most people would understand, (because it is non capitalised) that I would be talking about an undefined period of time that would be characterised by terrible wars. Which was what Christ meant when he spoke of “great tribulation”.
So when does/did “great tribulation” begin? Most historians agree that the world has been in turmoil since 1914 and horrific wars have marked the last century right up until now. So, we have been in “great tribulation” since that time in line with Christ’s forecast.
Just to illustrate, I saw news footage of an incident a year or so, in Syria, where Assad’s regime used Sarin gas on his own citizens and a young child died in hideous agony, while a grief stricken mother cradled her dead son in her arms. That image hurt and remains with me.
Try telling that woman to stop crying, because “she aint seen nothing yet”, because the WT is spinning the line that we haven’t had “The Great Tribulation” yet. What worse could you do to that woman? Even death wouldn’t hurt as much as what she has seen. We have had tribulation of some kind all over the Earth since the 1914 War began.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 6, 2016 at 6:48 am
 
@Ligniappe
 I agree with your assessment of the definite article “the”, especially since the JWs put so much emphasis on it for their interpretation of John 1:1.
However, I disagree with your assessment that great tribulation has been here since 1914. There have been periods of tribulation in many different periods of time as well as periods of prosperity. The Black Plague, the inquisition, and the crusades were certainly times of great tribulation. The American Civil War was one of the bloodiest conflicts ever fought (more Americans died in this war than either of the world wars). In fact the American Civil War was seen as support for the Bible students original interpretation of the last days having begun in 1799 and culminating in Christ’s presence in 1874.
The point is that you can argue for a period of great tribulation for any number of time periods, not just 1914. And to parallel the time period of Jerusalem’s destruction, the great tribulation at the time lasted for about 4 years, from 66 to 70. Over the last 102 years since 1914, we have had both times of trouble and times of prosperity. It is over generalizing to classify the entire 102 years as a time of great tribulation.
WS
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 Sarah says:

 June 6, 2016 at 7:17 am
 
Both interesting points of view. I have recently looked up global warming again due to local celebrities stating that a 2 degree of warming would be catastrophic.
Just looking at Florida’s problems as an example, I was horrified at the millions being spent on defences already. Soon their main source of water could be contaminated by sea water and islands could disappear. The resulting homelessness will cause untold hardships.
The future does not look too good for our children.
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 Sarah says:

 June 7, 2016 at 12:31 am
 
PS. In Revelation 7:14 the Greek does use ‘the’ with regard to the great tribulation. But then the Greek language uses the definite article differently from English. It would put ‘the’ before God or Paul where English would not.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 7, 2016 at 4:10 pm
 
Sarah,
 There have been various untold hardships for the human family throughout history. But we are survivors; we find ways to make it work. The issues with global warming and water supply are just more of the same and I am confident we will find ways to address them. I’d rather be alive in the 21st century with the advancements we have made than in some other time period in the past. Our problems are not insurmountable and as a human family we can work together to find solutions.
WS
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 Big B says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:25 am
 
@ Winston Smith;
I seem to recall that the Watchtower may have backed down on 1914 being the start of the Great Tribulation. I think I may have read 1914 was the beginnings of the “pangs of distress” not the beginnings of the Great Tribulation.
I do agree with you that during the period in Europe of the Hundred Years War conflict, famine and pestilence swept the European continent. The ‘Black Death’ destroyed entire communities and the people at that time thought it was the end of the world (and in their minds rightfully so).
Pulitzer Prize winning Historian Barbara Tuchman describes the riding of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse in her book “A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous Fourteenth Century”. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1978. ISBN 0394400267. She was famous for Tuchman’s Law “The fact of being reported multiplies the apparent extent of any deplorable development by five- to tenfold” (or any figure the reader would care to supply). Tuchman’s Law has been defined as a psychological principle of “perceptual readiness” or “subjective probability”.
Who can say whether there will be another catastrophe in this century that will define the “end times” as 1914 did for the 20th century.
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 Minion says:

 June 13, 2016 at 6:01 pm
 
Greetings to all,
@B,
Your right on about 1914, I’ve been reading The Golden Age 1922, January 4, article only for entertainment purposes, on page 213, J.Rutherford has made a second appearance in NYs Hippodrome, big crowd over 1,000. article mentions very clear standing room only and only men. That’s weird.
 It’s states, “for more than 40 years the International Bible students called 1914 the beginning of trouble and distress for man.”
We now know, who spined and added the, ‘the beginning of the great tribulation’ your modern day Watchtower Corporation.
Peace out,
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 Trapped says:

 June 6, 2016 at 10:12 am
 
So I never really comment but after attending this last convention and seeing the videos and more importantly the reaction on those in attendance I have to say something.
First off I have been a witness for over 40 years and did the full gambit Pioneered, Bethel , Internation Construction, Elder Ect . I always had doubts but the last 5 or so years I have no doubt this is a cult and it is getting worse . I am married and have 4 kids and I struggle every day because I know if I full on leave then it will utterly destroy my family. My wife is semi into the religion she is mostly there for the social aspect and is not a critical thinker at all and does not want to see the religion for what it is .
I have done the reasearch and showed her everythign – but the I think the loss of her social circule is too much to bare and she would ratrher not think about it then take ant action. Recently my feeling have come to light and I have recived multiple visits from the elders along with phone calls from my life long friends who are devout elders and JW’s .
My “friends” do not want to hear anything have to say they just want me to get back in line . I can also tell that if I push the line too much the friendships that have spanned 20 years will be gone. The funny thing is when I was younger most of my family left the truth and I cut them off saying to myself my spiritual brothers are all I need they will never leave me . Nowhere 20 years later my family that I treated like garbage are there for me unconditional, and my spiritual brothers will drop me if I don’t get in line .
The change in conversation is incredible before they knew how I felt we were close and could talk about everything – after they found out I was having doubts ( And I did not make it public my wife contacted them and they asked me and I told them how I felt that is it ) our conversation are now very metered and awkward .
As far as this convention and these videos I see many people thinking the witnesses will see this for what it is and rebel or at least question what is being taught. The exact opposite is what I see happening – They saying this is the best convention ever . The videos are created to hit people emotionally so they react without thinking . The society knows how powerful movies are and they are doing their best to get people inline .
My wife left the convention even more convinced than ever . And everyone I talked to felt that this was the best convention ever because it made them cry it hit them emotionally and it scared them that if they strayed they could lose their life . I so wish that people would see through what they were showing but they will not . Throughout history religion has suppressed and controlled and the JW’s do this better than anyone .
As far as my family I have some tough choices , I know once I leave I will no longer be welcome in my home and my kids will be told I have been overtaken by Satan. I can stay and keep my family together, but that comes at a cost of me condoning what they are learning and at the same time being looked at as inefficient or lacking for not being a spiritual head . Its really seems to be a pay now or pay later scenario . There is one thing I do know this organization will not let me leave with my family without a fight and it is a fight that is stacked against me .
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 Dwc says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:29 pm
 
Love you post and I so feel for you. I truly believe that it isn’t a cult in its truist form. These people genuinely believe they are serving God. Yes they won’t make any leaps of faith without the “faithful slave” (which is the wrong application of that scripture) And we all know that it is more the concept and the promises laid in the bible that has 8 million plus absolutely hooked.
I spoke with my mother in law this morning and asked her to call my wife as she’s quite distraught at my choice. She was really pleasant and genuine. The argument we always get is “well how else is the preaching work getting done” to which I replied, does it matter if there is no love?
Anyways loved your post and would love to chat brother! Glad to hear you are once again having a relationship with your family.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 6, 2016 at 7:58 pm
 
Dwc,
 By definition, it is a cult. It has nothing to do with whether people really believe they are serving God. The people who drank the kool aid in heavens gate really believed they were serving God too. It comes down to the indoctrination process and the BITE model to determine whether a belief system is a cult.
WS
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 7, 2016 at 1:12 am
 
To DWC: My wife always says the same thing to me also… ” We are the only ones preaching the kingdom worldwide! Nobody else is doing it. We have 8 Million people doing it in 400 languages etc”. I say to her yes, you are preaching but preaching the wrong Kingdom bc you teach that the Kingdom was established in 1914 and that Jesus came that same year.
We all know the Kingdom was not established that year and therefore the Kingdom you are preaching about is the wrong one. She has admitted 607 BCE is not an accurate year and other things but always goes back to the “only ones” preaching the Kingdom. Well, they have an ever changing and convoluted kingdom message from 8 million people.
No different than any other religious group
 that thinks they are unique and preaching a different convoluted message.
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 Dwc says:

 June 7, 2016 at 8:01 am
 
@holyconnli: I hear what you’re saying. I personally still believe in the bible. That’s my choice. But the preaching work is always going to be that argument, and they will take that.
What I find interesting about all religion but specifically this one is it gives people purpose and focus. Now they believe they are doing this for Jehovah and Jesus. They all really do. We know they in reality do not but here is the point.
Here’s what’s fascinating… As wrong as it is, if it is working for them they won’t leave. It is why they don’t see really huge success as well. It is why any person who finds their niche in work and they just kill it at work… Because they have found that little slice of what works for their lives.
A lot of people come on here and are resentful and rightly so. Me personally, I am happy so many can see this work for their life. It has never fully worked for my life. It was always something I couldn’t just go all hung ho on. I do believe we are about to see a mass exodus from the faith to which they’ll claim a new understanding of Matt. 24 and the “love of the greater number cooling off”. But for the hard core ones be happy it works for them. They at least live good lives.
If anyone can find something that makes them a better person good on them.
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 Idontknowhatodo says:

 June 6, 2016 at 1:41 pm
 
Unfortunately in our situation…mine is nearly the same…there is no really dignified way to leave… we are trapped…I absolutely feel for you…Im fading but Im starting to feel the pressure ramping up.
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 6, 2016 at 1:59 pm
 
@Trapped. I’m in a similar situation. Even with perfectly good critical thinking skills it is painful knowing the rift there will be when I eventually tell people how I really feel and it is enough to keep me silent.
I know no one will listen to me or change course as a result of anything I could possibly say.
I have no delusions that most JWs in attendance will see through the lies. But I do think it will be a significant number. Because there is definitely a large group of individuals like ourselves who already have doubts and misgivings.
There are enough witnesses in developed lands with access to the Internet and sites like this one, that even 5% of those in attendance would be a significant number.
It will be hard to know how many are affected because simultaneously there is the crackdown on shunning. So as much as some will feel inclined to leave after this convention program, they will also know in their hearts that being true to their convictions will mean banishment.
I don’t think you can attend and listen and pay attention and not be moved one way or the other. As I said before, I think some will double down. Probably most will, but others will be awakened.
But then what? Of that number what percentage feel trapped like us by their family ties and friendships?
How many will truly have the courage to make a swift, clean break!
I’m not judging anyone for that. I have repeatedly said that I don’t.
Terrible choices! Sometimes it makes me wish there was an end in sight, just for the resolution.
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:17 pm
 
@Trapped
 You seem to be in the same situation I was in about 4 years ago when I first started waking up. My wife is like yours: not a critical thinker, just in it for the social aspect. I went through the phases that you are going through. First confronting the wife, then all my JW “friends” – we are friends no longer.
You do get past all those things. Take advantage of friends you make outside of the religion. Reconnect with family members that you left behind – believe it or not they will forgive you. Try to make it work with your wife – agree to disagree. At least try to make it work long enough until your kids are grown.
I am now awake 4 years. Have not been to a meeting in almost 3 years. I have my freedom. I feel a sense of relief. My wife is still in and we are still together. There’s tension at times but not unbearably so. I am still able to be there for my kids. What I am getting at is that there is light at the end of the tunnel and you don’t necessarily have to loose everything. In fact that feeling is part of your cult indoctrination kicking in. I cannot promise that your situation will work out like mine – no two are the same. But rest assured that there is life after Watchtower. They cannot take everything from you.
WS
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 M Saurus says:

 June 6, 2016 at 10:32 am
 
I agree with Trapped. I will not attend the convention so will miss out on the reactions. But all the witnesses I know bar none (most especially my Mother) will react as Trapped described.
They will NOT see it for what it is. These ridiculous videos will have the opposite reaction. They will dig their heels in even further, knowing “what’s going to happen”.
I hate to say it, but all the witnesses I know will think this is the best, not the worst convention ever.
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 KimJones says:

 June 6, 2016 at 10:55 am
 
@Trapped, take your time, don’t feel pushed. So many of us here understand what you are going through. I’m a survivor. I can give some good advice actions I’ve used that helped me make it through what you are going through now. Keep your patience. You need to set healthy boundaries around yourself. This is done by being careful who you talk to, Information is used like a weapon. Your wife is still indoctrinated so you need to let her know she is crossing a healthy boundary by talking about you to a friend or an elder or a family member. Let her know You need to be able to trust her and you can’t when she complains about you to an elder in the congregation. Let her know she undermines her relationship with you that way because it makes it so you can’t trust her. Remind her of the old saying, ‘Trust is a must or the game is a bust.’ You’ll have to put your foot down about this. This will help stop outside influences from sabotaging you and your marriage. Set these healthy boundaries so life will be easier for you as you fade. The JW religion isn’t based on respect, it’s based on control and manipulation. I hope the best for you.
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 M Saurus says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:32 pm
 
I find it so interesting/funny that people who left this religion call themselves “survivors”,(Melodramatic to the extreme) and talk about watching who they talk to and what they say and where they go…
How are you “free” if you have to sneak around and watch your back? Even though it’s hard to do, you owe it to yourself to make a clean break and let the chips fall where they may. Then you ARE free to live and speak and act – HOWEVER YOU WANT!!
You are leaving a religion, for God’s sake (pun intended) – no one is going to shoot you as you cross the border.
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 KimJones says:

 June 6, 2016 at 2:45 pm
 
His wife might.
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 KimJones says:

 June 6, 2016 at 2:52 pm
 
It isn’t about sneaking around. People use information like a weapon. The JWs don’t have to know his business. M Saurus, That’s why his wife needs to stop being a tattle tail. Now is the time he has to speak up for himself. And yes, I survived, and I don’t care what you think about that. You are as judgemental as a JW. You are showing the kind of person you are and it isn’t good. I’m staying away from you. You’re no good.
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 M Saurus says:

 June 6, 2016 at 7:41 pm
 
I am judgemental? You have judged me to be “no good” – and you don’t even know me.
As far as the wife being a tattle tail, you can only control your own actions, not those of anyone else. If he had made a clean break, then he wouldn’t care who “tattled”.
Also, I am sorry I struck a nerve with my survivor comment. When I hear the term “survivor” -I think of survivors of Nazi death camps, cancer survivors, or survivors of a tornado or an earthquake. Not someone who decided not to belong to a religious group. Not nearly as big of a deal to have “survived” changing your beliefs.

 
 
 
 
 Winston Smith says:

 June 6, 2016 at 7:54 pm
 
M Saurus,
 As I recall from previous posts, you were lucky enough to have your spouse and your child leave with you. Can you show empathy toward those who do not have that situation? Would you have Trapped leave his wife and his children to the mercy of this cult and go off and start life over again?
WS
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 Holy Connoli says:

 June 7, 2016 at 1:00 am
 
To M Saurus: I think the word Survivor is appropriate bc many people feel they were mentally and emotionally enslaved and they to this point are now out of it and have survived to see things differently and b free free from those chains. Maybe they are not 100% as free mentally as you have become but they are getting there. one BIG THING to remember is that many JW’s have family members, wife’s, husbands, children, extended and in laws still in and many close friends. It isn’t easy to be shunned by them and the WT forces that fear on their fellow members. I am glad your family and children left with you guys but not everyone will do that.The fact that the JW’s have a high % of mental illness and higher % of suicide shows the negative effect mentally that this Cult has ad on people. we all move forward at different paces. Be merciful toward those moving at different paces, Help them with your experience to be more free.
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 7, 2016 at 10:14 am
 
Also, let’s not forget: PEOPLE HAVE DIED as a result of following Watchtower doctrines. Individuals have refused life-saving medical treatment.
Even if you factor that some of these were gravely ill and might have died anyway, some have died needlessly.
Also, some have died as a result of taking a stand for their beliefs: not voting, refusal of military service, etc.
Not to mention countless people who were depressed out of their minds by unreasonable expectations of godly devotion and moral uprightness and stayed in until they couldn’t deal with it anymore and took their own lives.
Or those who left and couldn’t bear to be shunned, but also couldn’t bear to return. So, again, suicide.
So, no. It is not melodramatic to call oneself a ‘survivor’.
You can survive a single incident in life like a car accident or a holdup, and that gives you the right to refer to it for life.
Does it compare to the Holocaust? No. But it could have killed you and it didn’t.
The mind control and emotional manipulation people endure while in and the trauma they endure when leaving is a real human reaction that is not unique to Witnesses. It is predictable and measured and documented.
It should not be belittled just because some don’t experience it. I think the comments are evidence that most do.
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 M Saurus says:

 June 7, 2016 at 11:23 am
 
Agreed that we all, including me, need to be more compassionate to those trying to fade.
But again, Fallingangel, those people you mentioned that have died for not taking blood, not voting etc. They were not held prisoner and forced to do (or not do anything). They made a choice. The religion did not kill them. The GB did not kill them. Their own choices killed them.
I feel like quite a few people who were duped by this cult want total absolution from all personal responsibility.
I know it sounds better to them than saying “I was fooled all these years and made some really poor choices.”

 
 
 Winston Smith says:

 June 7, 2016 at 4:03 pm
 
Undue influence is just that: influence beyond that which is ethical or normal. You can’t say that people who have lost their lives because of this religion bear all the responsibility themselves. They were being influenced by a deceptive entity. They were given flawed information on which to base their decisions.
Back in the 1950s women were given thalidomide for morning sickness. No one forced them to take it. The result was children born with severe birth defects. Are the mothers to blame because they took thalidomide? Or Is it the result of doctors and drug companies releasing a drug without sufficient testing? The information provided was flawed. ‘This won’t hurt you or your child’ was implied. Based on that misinformation, thousands of children were born with defects. Who really bears the heavier blame? Is it not those responsible for the misinformation?
WS

 
 
 
 
 
 
 rob says:

 June 6, 2016 at 11:01 am
 
When I was a witness year after year after every convention I would hear the same words, “That was the best convention ever. ”
Not sure if the witnesses are simply saying that to show that they were loyal and appreciative or if they said it simply to be a crowd pleaser.
But still very disturbing to hear the same words this year even after the watchtower is ramping up the rules and making sure that everyone toes the line on shunning and also instilling more and more fear with the videos.
I do have to give the GB and their advisors credit – they do know how to prey on people’s emotions, they know how to capture and imprison the victim without the victim realizing they are being held captive.
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 JustMakinObservation says:

 June 6, 2016 at 11:13 am
 
I have a theory about the so called Bunker videos. Again, I repeat, it is just a theory not a confirmed truth! So please go easy on me.
For you to assimilate my point I have to model it from the Eastern Europe perspective. As you well know that during the days of the USSR, JW’s used to congregate figuratively “underground” in secret in their apartments in smaller groups of maximum 7 people in casual clothes for fear the neighbors would alert the authorities. I know this because my wife comes from Slovakia. She likes joking about how she was baptized in a bathtub, and at that time there were 5 people in attendance. Anyway, they also met in basements, they called pivnica. So, that was underground meetings in a literal sense.
So, at present in Slovakia, meeting attendance is not going so well, congregations are shrinking, e.g most towns used to have 3 congregations, but for the past 5 years, attendance is so atrocious that individuals from the 3 groups get to be lumped into one or two congregations. This effect is starting to be visible on convention levels and assemblies. Slovak JW’s have to travel to near by Czech Republic to fill in with their numbers, just to hide the embarrassment of poor attendance. And my wife still reports that no one is non-the-wiser : JW numbers are shrinking, they can’t see the illusion being maintained.
Bearing this mind game in mind, I think the ORG is playing the so called Bunker Videos to psychologically acclimate the JW minds to their next move. Which is: they are preparing to drop new light; The authorities are about to hunt down JW’S and all witnesses must revert to the Underground method of meeting in small groups. This will help the Brooklyn Gods dodge the bullet and give a reasonable explanation to the rank and file that the JW numbers are growing strong. Its all a lie that there is a massive hemorrhaging going on. Also, the ORG can conveniently claim all proceeds from the sales of all Watchtower estates such as kingdom halls, assembly halls etc…
It all fits in nicely when you consider that meetings can be conducted via Skype or satellite link. Also the Brooklyn Gods have their own Broadcasting Channel. Everyone has tablets. So you do not have to go to meetings anymore, the meetings will come to you. In the comfort of your own home with a cup of coffee and biscuits. The Brooklyn Gods will self grandiose over this and claim that they have reviewed the situation and sympathize with brothers who have to travel miles and miles to get to Jehovah’s banquet. And all the sheep will admire them more and see them as progressive shepherds. I think the ORG is going to be more of a virtual Organization, and things like ministry will still have to be done in the real world. And your donations can still roll in by postal order and credit card. That is the future of the Watchtower, at least in the developed world. I have come to learn a very important lesson about the Governing Body, they evolve their agenda at snail’s pace, by the time you wake up, they would become an entirely new species of an ORG. They are senile old coots but meticulous. Make no mistake about their deceit, It is not in-vane that they have implemented all the changes you have been observing for the past years.
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 rob says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:18 pm
 
Very interesting theory. But in my opinion, once you eliminate the social gathering aspect of this religion, which is the reason many of the people stay in – and if the witness religion were to become a “virtual religion” I believe this would be the end of the religion.
I do believe that in the western world, many stay in the religion because their friends are there and it is the social club aspect that keeps them going to meetings and conventions.
Also, the meetings and conventions are the tools that the GB use to indoctrinate and by having everyone attend meetings everyone keeps a close eye on everyone else and this keeps the rank and file in line.
I believe, no actual meetings, no mind numbing routine, = no more witness religion.
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 JustMakinObservation says:

 June 6, 2016 at 2:18 pm
 
True, absolutely true about the social neediness and opportunity for indoctrination. I suppose I did not consider that point much because, I always got the sense that JW are looking forward to darker days of persecution, and actually regard that as badge of honer. So, being social under hush conditions, incognito(virtual or otherwise) would be a non-matter. I just wonder then, how would the Brooklyn Gods explain the consolidation of the various congregations to maintain the illusion of greater numbers. Do you have an idea?
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 Man from the lions pit says:

 June 6, 2016 at 9:01 pm
 
JMO to your question ,They don’t have to explain it.This is the point majority of bros will still accept it without explanation 🙂
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 Dwc says:

 June 6, 2016 at 12:35 pm
 
Have to be honest, I would welcome that vs the current format.
The JW.org on all the KH is so a cross it isn’t funny. And the teaching is so basic and stupid now. At least in a basement group you can talk scripture and more importantly use the truths of the bible. Maybe even Holy Spirit will actually lead people to question the crap.
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 rob says:

 June 6, 2016 at 1:32 pm
 
But isn’t that one of the reasons why they got rid of the book study groups?
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 Dwc says:

 June 6, 2016 at 2:05 pm
 
Yes and ever since then it’s been this garbage. I never missed a book study because I could freely dig deep, use other scriptures. At then end of the day it’s still an organized religion.
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 JBob says:

 June 8, 2016 at 12:27 pm
 
One reason they kept the personal homes book study nights leading up to 1975 was constant reminder that during WW II and other persecuted countries, the private home book study meetings were “excellent subterfuge” from prying eyes of the “big brother” governments. When that was abolished (due to legal & insurance liabilities issues), it was noted on many of dissenter forums this past justification for maintaining those private home meetings.
The bunker videos may be glitzier and more self-aggrandizing but the message is nothing new. JW’s and Watchtower pubs have ALWAYS taught that governments would hunt down Christendom first, then JW’s explicitly because they would be “last man standing” in terms of being the last holdouts clinging to religious beliefs.
The conspiracy theoris which paint some “invisible hand” (usually the Illuminati using Amtrak “maintenance sheds” as concentration camps) as compelling atheism and driving Christians underground are on par with JW, Adventist, Assemblies of God, and other evangelical end-time aware groups doomsday scenarios.
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 Man from the lions pit says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:55 pm
 
JMO tell your wife she has a buddy who knows and been in pivnica as well 🙂
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 JustMakinObservation says:

 June 6, 2016 at 10:12 pm
 
Man from the lions pit. What a name! and I think it says it all about your days in pivnica. Keep strong. You have gained a friend too!
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 Man from the lions pit says:

 June 7, 2016 at 9:13 pm
 
Thanks JMO,once we can exchange contacts here I will do it ! big hugs for both
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 M. says:

 June 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm
 
Time
 is running out
 The end
 is near
…….
For the Watchtower:

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 Quendi says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:13 pm
 
The news about this summer’s convention cycle has convinced me more than ever that with respect to my more than thirty years’ association with Jehovah’s Witnesses, being disfellowshipped was the best thing that could have happened to me. I must say, however, that I am deeply saddened, but not surprised, to learn that the reaction of most rank-and-file Witnesses is that the convention was the “best ever” and proof of God’s loving care. That only lends added credence to the saying, “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
Despite this, I also believe in the old truism ‘you reap what you sow.’ The Watchtower’s bad fruitage is becoming increasingly abundant and I really believe that a harvest is inevitable. I may not be around when “the End” finally comes, but I take satisfaction in my conviction that the End will be that of the Watchtower, and deservedly so.
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 Man from the lions pit says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:46 pm
 
Thanks for your article well written as always CF.
 I can say I can relate to many things mention in your article on personal level as someone who came from also was JW in “Eastern block” and know what is the life as JW “under the ban” to some extend.best regards,
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 June 6, 2016 at 8:58 pm
 
I don’t know whether it’s just me, but when I got to the end of these videos and the heavies burst in I wanted to jump and scream out “nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our two weapons are fear and surprise, and….an almost fanatical devotion to the pope….oh, I’ll come in again. (Or maybe that should read “nobody expects the Australian royal commission”…because while the first 28 cases were exposing Babylonian filth, case 29 was a satanic attack on gods people….. oh give me a break )
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 Winston Smith says:

 June 7, 2016 at 8:52 am
 
@EAB,
 LOL- Spanish Inquisiton – great reference
WS
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 fallingangel75 says:

 June 7, 2016 at 10:43 am
 
Right? WS? I thought so too. Laughed out loud for real.
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 Eric Arthur Blair says:

 June 8, 2016 at 5:57 am
 
Bunker video no. 7 – no, not the comfy chair!
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 Imgonaburn says:

 June 9, 2016 at 2:19 am
 
The Spanish Inquisition line made me chuckle….and then this popped into my head…https://youtu.be/ODE__xOGxxE
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 ruthlee says:

 June 7, 2016 at 6:48 am
 
Isnt it strange that only jdubs have to go through so much and devote all their money, lifeblood, time,etc to get their prize of everlasting battery life and if they slip on the soap at the end nope too bad you can’t come in. What a booby prize it is. It really is not worth the effort or the time slip it is written on. They really are daft and so was I to be so scared for so long. Still not going to this convention. There isn’t another religion who preaches an earthly hoop jumping hope no wonder we could not get the worldly people to flocked to us in their droves it was all too good to be true. Just think now you have to live in a bunker before paradise. I did not sign up for that. It was not in my baptism clause. Witnesses do not think for themselves for one minute they are very silly and the gb are piping a merry tune to watch their puppets dance. Ruthlee
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 A Patient Man says:

 June 7, 2016 at 7:12 am
 
I was baptized in 1966, even at the tender age of 14 I did not really understand fully what I was doing. Do I understand now what that decision did to my life? You better believe I do! All of the youngsters in our hall were doing it, some as young as 9. My parents were right in there with the rest of the parents pushing for myself and my four sisters to excel along with the other unsuspecting children. What was that motivation that made us conform? It really was fear. That pressure from the parents along with repeated meetings, assemblies, ministry, and then there were those in powerful positions who put added pressure by telling us we were going to miss out on something wonderful in the end. That was 64 years ago for me, and they are still doing it! I remember a person who considered himself one of the special class along with his wife. He was anything but special, he would sit in the back of the hall and watch all of us kids and take notes. Then he would tell the parents of those children, including my mom and dad who was misbehaving. If my dad thought that it was serious enough it would require the hand or the belt to bring me back into line, all with the blessing of the organization. I was one messed up little kid. On the one hand I did not want to displease my parents, and on the other I did not want to lay in wait for that life eternal that may or may not be granted to me. As all of you know this theme of correction and discipline is still alive and well, it is at what seems to be a new level now though. To be able to put a video in front of you on a very large screen designed to scare the crap out of you works for many to keep them conforming, and sad to say it really frightens the youngsters in attendance. I am here to tell you like many of the ones who comment here, I am not that frightened little boy anymore. I see past the the terrible hypocritical special people, and the ones who believe they can meddle in my life. I cannot wait for the day when this powerful hold the organization has on the lives of people will be gone. For now I am taking my time, being very careful what I say and for the most part keeping my mouth shut, (except for comments here!). Thanks to all of you for speaking your mind and helping those who want help. I am reminded of going to AA meetings where you learn that, “I am here to listen and to speak If I so desire. I am also here to take what everybody says and If it applies to me, use it to benefit myself to continue on my path to sobriety. And whatever I feel does not apply to me, I know in my heart that it will help someone else.”
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 william says:

 June 7, 2016 at 11:04 am
 
Dear all ; I am not of any Religion. I have no doctrine/s except the Truth of the Word of God.
 I am not even Christian ; but simply a disciple of Christ.
 Please allow me to share the following with you in love ; and each one can then make up his or her mind for themselves.
 I was a JW for 37 years and therefore believe myself to be more qualified than most to deliver truthful and realistic commentary on this Organisation.
 What I am about to share with you ; is not merely my opinion/s ; but candidly only the Truth.
 The JW are a people that do not keep the Holy Law and Commandments of love of God; claiming that the Holy Law of the very God they claim to worship is nailed to the Cross in shame with Christ. They are the very ones Jesus also warned about such like ones at Matt 5 : 17 to 19 … that teach others that the Law is no more (abolished) ; and will as a result therefore cause themselves to be” the least in the Kingdom of God.”
Yes ; they appear to follow Jesus’s Commission to go preach this Good News of the Kingdom ; but are they truly doing what Jesus Commanded them ; or more so what their Organisation tells them and trains them to do …??? ( As false prophets )
Jesus simply said ” And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world …” Matt 24:14
 But then in Matt 28:19 & 20 Jesus clarifies and specifies His Command” Go ye therefore …and (teach) all nations ; baptizing them etc……. and then in verse 20 — (teach) them what ..? :”All things whatsoever ever I commanded you …..” ( Read John 15:10 ; what this simple Command is and was )
 Now that is what Jesus said (Commanded ) isn’t it ..?
 But now lets look at what Jesus did NOT say ….
Go teach them your Opinion of what is right or wrong/ your faith or Religion ……
This is unfortunately precisely what they do …. I know ; I used to be one of them ( and hated every moment of it ) knowing in my heart that this was wrong …. but never could you say anything for fear that you will be castigated as either apostate or an infidel.
I love the Lord my God and Worship Him with all I am ; I keep all of His Law and Commandments of Love and the Testimony of Christ ; and by this faith I am Justified without having to buckle down to the commandments of men … Not any of you ; nor I was ever commanded to follow anyone else but Christ … hence my decision to be no part of “Christianity ” and especially a SECT = JW that is also a false Prophet against whom Jesus warned ; that many will come in my name ( Gods Holy name in this instance = Yahweh ) and then nogal calling themselves the ” Truth ” ; when clearly there is only one TRUTH ; which is Christ !!! ( John 14:6 ) ” I am the Way ; the Truth and the Life ; no one comes unto my Father but by me …”
Not any Organisation ; church or institution ….. but only by CHRIST !!
Not only are they a Mind Control Organisation shaping your thoughts according to their own self – righteousness ( Since they decline Gods Holy Law = Only standard of Righteousness ); but also are false prophets ; having come out of the Seventh day Adventists and both of them from another false prophet ; the Millerites ( William Miller ) their founder in the Mid and latter 1800’s .
In Conclusion : Jesus’s Words at Matt 24:4 to His disciples on the Mount of Olive was : Beware that no man deceives you …”
Deception my dear friends ; is our Biggest enemy ; it already started at the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil ….
The JW are an Organisation driven impulsively by their own standard/s of Self – Righteousness ….
How can you claim to Worship a God that has no Law /s … the very same God that created all of the Universe with Laws of Order and even disorder ( The Laws of Thermodynamics – in particular the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics which deals with entropy ; chaos and disorder ) The very Law that explains why we grow old ; diseased and die ….. all because of our sinful nature.
I am so free and Soar as an eagle ; no longer bound to the commandments of men ( just as Jesus spoke of the Scribes and Pharisees ) ; but drinking of lifes water free every day ; free from Organisations and Religiosity ; free of mind control ; lies and deceit.
May you all have been blessed by this Testimony in this post of Commentary today …..
We are no longer in bondage ; when we are free in Christ.
 William
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 Bearwoody says:

 June 7, 2016 at 1:33 pm
 
The Good News: Apparently the elder’s eyesight has been healed, since he’s not wearing glasses at the beach fruit festival.
The Bad News: Apparently, the Kingdom’s healing powers don’t extend to receding hairlines.
Drat! I was hoping to get a full head of hair again.
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 Doc Obvious says:

 June 7, 2016 at 7:44 pm
 
Missing Scene in Watchtower movie between militant men and paradise fruit scene.
How can Watchtower forget the Great Tribulation Holocaust scene.
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 Doc Obvious says:

 June 7, 2016 at 7:47 pm
 
Oops. Forgot the link.
Missing Scene from Watchtower
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 JBob says:

 June 8, 2016 at 2:09 pm
 
I think this reference in either the initial or quote of the article needs expansion,
“If you don’t understand this, it is not due to any failure on your part. It is because it doesn’t make sense. The teaching rides roughshod over the English language, redefining what “generation” means, and relying on the audience to willfully bypass their logical thinking skills by asserting the incomprehensible as indisputable truth.”
One, it highlights another game of Watchtower, Inc–“semantic gymnastics”–of playing games with English words translated from Hebrew. The blog also falls victim to this game by playing along. To comprehend what “generation” means, one would need to dive deep into Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and in this case Greek languages, paleontology AND culture to fully understand what import the writers meant.
The general consensus is that genea is considered to have several definitions:
1) fathered, birth, nativity
 2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
 2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
 2b) metaph. a race of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
 2b1) esp. in a bad sense, a perverse race
 3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
 4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 – 33 years
The Watchtower thus “prayerfully” picked 2a–the lesser of four or five evils. I mean, can you imagine 1914+33 = 1944-1947 and Watchtower projecting the end-time?
Oh wait, there was some speculation on that, too.
So, “2a” which means the “sword of Damacles” or “the Judgement D” hanging over your heads until death do you part. Ye are sinners in the hands of an angry God! Feel the fear, yet?
Yes, this will work out rather nicely–we have a rolling doomsday prophecy and no need to pin the definitive date on the donkey, and we can ratchet up the sense of urgency [often being likened to that “dance” rushing to the restroom] until everyone feels compelled to come to KHall wearing adult diapers and will open up their coffers to alleviate the guilt of being a wayward sinner and slacker.
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 JBob says:

 June 8, 2016 at 2:13 pm
 
http://www.dabhand.org/cgi-bin/Strongs_WRITE.pl?Strongs=G1074
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 Vidiot says:

 June 8, 2016 at 5:05 pm
 
“…I shudder to think what impact this video may have on vulnerable Witnesses.”
That’s easy. It’ll make ’em wanna leave.
Which is cool with the WTS, since they don’t really want ’em.
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 KinseyScale6 says:

 June 8, 2016 at 5:12 pm
 
Will the Watchtower be dismissing Jehovah and Holy Spirit soon?
Here’s why–Holy Spirit sired Jesus through “virgin” Mary. Yet, Jesus constantly refers to the Father entity which scripture indicates begot Him. Thus, Jesus has two dads. If two moms are a cause for ejection and rejection from Paradise, surely two dads (men being the “dominant” gender) is more than sufficient reason.
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 Josie Whale says:

 June 8, 2016 at 7:17 pm
 
So what big events are coming to crush the WTBTS to toss all JWs into the bunkers? Interesting how no one covers the core of this “Self fulfilling prophecy”.
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 JBob says:

 June 9, 2016 at 6:58 am
 
The social aspects is a key role today, but there are “secret organizations” which maintain their enclaves with small, private gatherings but maintain numbers through fostering a sense of elitism–Lodges, Masons, and KKK.
One of the aspects of the early Bible Students was a sense of being “chosen,” “set apart,” and “elect” even though you were only one reading Russell’s monthly journal in a small city or rural area. Another aspect of early Bible Students was their resembling small lodges, even using the availability of available Masonic venues to put on conventions and events.
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 DB says:

 June 10, 2016 at 4:19 am
 
http://www.castanet.net/news/Letters/167812/What-is-the-Father-s-nature
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 Doc Obvious says:

 June 10, 2016 at 7:10 am
 
Instead of helping people like Jesus Christ, Watchtower is quick to condemn people. This is exactly how the Pharisees acted. The act of labeling people is what the Pharisees did to the common people. The bubble boys at Watchtower Babble and Tract Society should not be telling their people to be negative to their fellow man. If I were in a “bunker” talking about negative things, I would want to get out. No wonder there is a high level of anti-depressant drug use in the Jehovah’s Witnesses religion.
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 James Broughton says:

 June 10, 2016 at 8:36 am
 
I thought Trapped’s comments were superb. I notice he still writes about those who “leave the truth”. It is only when you finally make the break, however costly it may be, that you appreciate what the truth really is.
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 krista says:

 June 12, 2016 at 8:28 am
 
These bunker videos actually shocked me. I can’t beleive they put out something so ridiculous! I’m thinking of all my family that are sitting at the convention watching that video today. I hope they can see through it. But I’m also concerned about the shunning videos, will my mother pick up the phone tomorrow when I call to ask how her trip to the convention went this weekend? What a horrible influence this religion is on families. It saddens me to the bottom of my heart.
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