Tuesday, December 9, 2014
DignityUSA news ( I admire what these LGBT Roman Catholics are doing, but the RCC is just so corrupt and has hurt so many, I am glad that I was only a RC for such a shor time)
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LGBT Catholics Say New Vatican Document is “inadequate and alienating,” Call for “official input” into Synod on the Family
December 9, 2014. Boston, MA. Responding to today’s release of a document that will set the agenda for the second phase of the Vatican’s Synod on the Family, to be held in Rome October 4-25, 2015, leaders of DignityUSA said it was “inadequate and alienating” in its approach to the issues faced by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) Catholics and their families.
Marianne Duddy-Burke, DignityUSA’s Executive Director said, “We continue to be deeply frustrated with the approach Church officials are taking to the Synod on the Family in general, and with the discussion of LGBT issues in particular. There remains no opportunity for openly LGBT Catholics, or for families who delight in their LGBT members, to have official input into the deliberations, or to vote on policies and doctrines that will affect us for decades to come. Even the language used to refer to lesbian and gay people (’people with homosexual tendencies’) is a reversion to the dated and judgmental tone that so many had hoped was fading into the past, given Pope Francis’ apparent comfort in talking with and about LGBT people in a more realistic and respectful way.
“LGBT people certainly need appropriate pastoral care that starts from a position of acknowledging our moral equality with all other people, and that accepts the reality of our lives and the families we create. But we are not a problem for the Church to solve. We are human beings, baptized members of our Church, God’s beloved just as are other members of the Church. We have ‘gifts and qualities’ needed and freely offered to the Church and the world, to borrow language from the previous Synod’s interim report,” Duddy-Burke continued.
“The leaders of our Church need to humble themselves and listen to the people of the Church. Catholic families all over the globe have carefully considered both Church teaching and the reality of their LGBT members’ lives, and have resoundingly rejected doctrine in favor of loving embrace. Church officials are decades behind the faithful in realizing the true Gospel teachings about LGBT people. We call on them to actively listen to the call of the Spirit spoken in this truth, or I fear the upcoming Synod will lead to more pain, more alienation, and more devastation in the lives of LGBT people and families everywhere in the world,” said Duddy-Burke.
Noting that the Vatican was instructing bishops to engage “all levels of the Church,” including “clergy, religious, lay people and lay organizations” in gathering input prior to the Synod, DignityUSA repeated its call, issued prior to the November 2014 meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, for a Year of Dialogue on the Family in all dioceses across the U. S.
“While some U. S. Bishops established ways to listen to the Catholics they shepherd prior to the 2014 gathering, many did not,” said Duddy-Burke. “All of us deserve the opportunity to have our voices heard, and our concerns, hopes, and ideas carried to this gathering. An open dialogue will benefit our entire Church, enrich its ministries, and provide opportunities for re-engagement for those who have questioned their place in the Church.”
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DignityUSA is the nation’s foremost organization of LGBT Catholics, their families, friends, and other Catholics committed to equality and justice. Founded in 1969, it is committed to full inclusion of LGBT Catholics in our Church and society.
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LGBT Catholics.
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Pope Francis.
Marianne Duddy-Burke.
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LGBT Catholics Say New Vatican Document is “inadequate and alienating,” Call for “official input” into Synod on the Family
December 9, 2014. Boston, MA. Responding to today’s release of a document that will set the agenda for the second phase of the Vatican’s Synod on the Family, to be held in Rome October 4-25, 2015, leaders of DignityUSA said it was “inadequate and alienating” in its approach to the issues faced by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) Catholics and their families.
Marianne Duddy-Burke, DignityUSA’s Executive Director said, “We continue to be deeply frustrated with the approach Church officials are taking to the Synod on the Family in general, and with the discussion of LGBT issues in particular. There remains no opportunity for openly LGBT Catholics, or for families who delight in their LGBT members, to have official input into the deliberations, or to vote on policies and doctrines that will affect us for decades to come. Even the language used to refer to lesbian and gay people (’people with homosexual tendencies’) is a reversion to the dated and judgmental tone that so many had hoped was fading into the past, given Pope Francis’ apparent comfort in talking with and about LGBT people in a more realistic and respectful way.
“LGBT people certainly need appropriate pastoral care that starts from a position of acknowledging our moral equality with all other people, and that accepts the reality of our lives and the families we create. But we are not a problem for the Church to solve. We are human beings, baptized members of our Church, God’s beloved just as are other members of the Church. We have ‘gifts and qualities’ needed and freely offered to the Church and the world, to borrow language from the previous Synod’s interim report,” Duddy-Burke continued.
“The leaders of our Church need to humble themselves and listen to the people of the Church. Catholic families all over the globe have carefully considered both Church teaching and the reality of their LGBT members’ lives, and have resoundingly rejected doctrine in favor of loving embrace. Church officials are decades behind the faithful in realizing the true Gospel teachings about LGBT people. We call on them to actively listen to the call of the Spirit spoken in this truth, or I fear the upcoming Synod will lead to more pain, more alienation, and more devastation in the lives of LGBT people and families everywhere in the world,” said Duddy-Burke.
Noting that the Vatican was instructing bishops to engage “all levels of the Church,” including “clergy, religious, lay people and lay organizations” in gathering input prior to the Synod, DignityUSA repeated its call, issued prior to the November 2014 meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, for a Year of Dialogue on the Family in all dioceses across the U. S.
“While some U. S. Bishops established ways to listen to the Catholics they shepherd prior to the 2014 gathering, many did not,” said Duddy-Burke. “All of us deserve the opportunity to have our voices heard, and our concerns, hopes, and ideas carried to this gathering. An open dialogue will benefit our entire Church, enrich its ministries, and provide opportunities for re-engagement for those who have questioned their place in the Church.”
###
DignityUSA is the nation’s foremost organization of LGBT Catholics, their families, friends, and other Catholics committed to equality and justice. Founded in 1969, it is committed to full inclusion of LGBT Catholics in our Church and society.
Filed under:
Synod on the Family.
LGBT Catholics.
DignityUSA.
Pope Francis.
Marianne Duddy-Burke.
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DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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Dec
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2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
Advent is Upon Us
by Lewis Speaks-Tanner, Vice President, DignityUSA
Each year, December seems to go quicker than it did the year before. There are so many things to get done. The season is about preparing, from making gift lists to decorating the house, to making donations to favorite charities. It is important to take time out of the busy season to recharge spiritual batteries. This Advent, I will be reading Small Victories: Spotting Improbable Moments of Grace by Ann Lamott after hearing wonderful reviews about her previous and current books.
Each Advent I am reminded of The First Christmas: What the Gospels Really Teach About the Jesus’s Birth by Marcus J. Borg and John Dominic Crossan. In it, the authors make a point that the Christmas stories “proclaim God’s peace through justice over against Rome’s peace through victory”. Throughout these 45 years, DignityUSA members continue to work for justice. We have had many advances and many disappointments over the years. The work continues.
Marriage equality is now in 35 states and the District of Columbia with 64% of the US population living in states where same sex couples can marry. Fifteen more states to go! The momentum is on the side of justice.
Even with this major advance, there are only 18 states and D.C. that prohibit discrimination against sexual orientation and gender identity (an additional 3 states prohibit discrimination against sexual orientation only). Twenty-nine states do give LGBT employees and citizens statewide protection against discrimination. Believe it or not, as early as 1974, there has been an Employment Non-Discrimination bill introduced in Congress. With the new Republican majorities in both houses of Congress, it does not appear hopeful that ENDA will pass. Without these protections, LGBT people can be fired from their jobs or denied promotions.
The omission of women at the highest levels of our Church continues to be a huge problem for many Catholics. It is an injustice. Thankfully, there are more voices speaking out not just for Catholic women, but all women!
As the Extraordinary Synod of the Family concluded in Rome, DignityUSA and other members of Women-Church Convergence, a coalition of feminist Catholic groups, gathered for its annual meeting and issued the statement, Catholic Women: Our Absence Means Synod Lacks Credibility
“The egregious omission of women and families in forming Church policy has a devastating impact on Catholics and others worldwide. Instead of an obsession with doctrine, families need the Church to dismantle systems of oppression, work to end violence against women and children, stand firmly against war and the destruction of our planet, recognize women’s moral agency, and honor decisions about family life made with informed consciences and prayerful discernment…”
President Carter in his latest book, A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, and Power, decries the religious discrimination against women. The misinterpretation of the Bible and the Quran, have led to the violence of women and lack of equal opportunities for women.
Sponsored by the United Nations Secretary-General, from November 25, the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women, to December 10, Human Rights Day, the 16 Days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence Campaign is a time to galvanize action to end violence against women and girls around the world. For more information go to http://endviolence.un.org/about.shtml.
There is much work to be done. My prayer for Advent is that we have a prayerful, productive and stress-less Advent! May our Christmas be blessed as we continue to proclaim God’s peace through justice!
Merry Christmas to one and all!
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DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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DignityUSA works for respect and justice for people of all sexual orientations, genders, and gender identities—especially gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons—in the Catholic Church and the world through education, advocacy, and support. -- DignityUSA Mission Statement
Dec
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2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
Advent is Upon Us
by Lewis Speaks-Tanner, Vice President, DignityUSA
Each year, December seems to go quicker than it did the year before. There are so many things to get done. The season is about preparing, from making gift lists to decorating the house, to making donations to favorite charities. It is important to take time out of the busy season to recharge spiritual batteries. This Advent, I will be reading Small Victories: Spotting Improbable Moments of Grace by Ann Lamott after hearing wonderful reviews about her previous and current books.
Each Advent I am reminded of The First Christmas: What the Gospels Really Teach About the Jesus’s Birth by Marcus J. Borg and John Dominic Crossan. In it, the authors make a point that the Christmas stories “proclaim God’s peace through justice over against Rome’s peace through victory”. Throughout these 45 years, DignityUSA members continue to work for justice. We have had many advances and many disappointments over the years. The work continues.
Marriage equality is now in 35 states and the District of Columbia with 64% of the US population living in states where same sex couples can marry. Fifteen more states to go! The momentum is on the side of justice.
Even with this major advance, there are only 18 states and D.C. that prohibit discrimination against sexual orientation and gender identity (an additional 3 states prohibit discrimination against sexual orientation only). Twenty-nine states do give LGBT employees and citizens statewide protection against discrimination. Believe it or not, as early as 1974, there has been an Employment Non-Discrimination bill introduced in Congress. With the new Republican majorities in both houses of Congress, it does not appear hopeful that ENDA will pass. Without these protections, LGBT people can be fired from their jobs or denied promotions.
The omission of women at the highest levels of our Church continues to be a huge problem for many Catholics. It is an injustice. Thankfully, there are more voices speaking out not just for Catholic women, but all women!
As the Extraordinary Synod of the Family concluded in Rome, DignityUSA and other members of Women-Church Convergence, a coalition of feminist Catholic groups, gathered for its annual meeting and issued the statement, Catholic Women: Our Absence Means Synod Lacks Credibility
“The egregious omission of women and families in forming Church policy has a devastating impact on Catholics and others worldwide. Instead of an obsession with doctrine, families need the Church to dismantle systems of oppression, work to end violence against women and children, stand firmly against war and the destruction of our planet, recognize women’s moral agency, and honor decisions about family life made with informed consciences and prayerful discernment…”
President Carter in his latest book, A Call to Action: Women, Religion, Violence, and Power, decries the religious discrimination against women. The misinterpretation of the Bible and the Quran, have led to the violence of women and lack of equal opportunities for women.
Sponsored by the United Nations Secretary-General, from November 25, the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women, to December 10, Human Rights Day, the 16 Days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence Campaign is a time to galvanize action to end violence against women and girls around the world. For more information go to http://endviolence.un.org/about.shtml.
There is much work to be done. My prayer for Advent is that we have a prayerful, productive and stress-less Advent! May our Christmas be blessed as we continue to proclaim God’s peace through justice!
Merry Christmas to one and all!
Vision Statement
DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
DignityUSA Tells Congress: “Religious Exemptions Harm People and Catholics Don’t Support Them”
DignityUSA has been involved in a number of recent efforts to alert Congress to significant problems with efforts by US Catholic bishops to expand the number of people covered by “religious exemptions.” These exemptions exclude certain faith-affiliated institutions from laws providing protection from discrimination in employment, public accommodations, and health care coverage.
On October 30, DignityUSA and eight Dignity chapters were among 43 Catholic organizations that co-signed a letter to Congress expressing concern about efforts to expand religious exemptions in the wake of the Supreme Court’s Burwell v. Hobby Lobby decision. The letter read in part:
“As Catholics, we are compelled to work toward justice and equality and to create a society in which women and men, young and old, poor and rich, gay and straight, are treated with the same dignity and respect, and granted the same opportunities. We are called to respect people’s decisions made in good conscience, even by those with whom we disagree, and to reject attempts to use religion or law to coerce someone to act against her or his conscience. Our faith commands us to have a preferential option for the poor: to have their needs always as a priority for our actions as individuals and as a society.
Under the pretense of “religious liberty,” businesses are demanding permission to discriminate against people who hold beliefs with which the business owners disagree. And sadly, our government is giving them its blessing to do so. As a result, the common good for which we strive is imperiled, and the social justice to which we are committed seems an ever more distant goal.”
Along with Call To Action, Catholics for Choice, CORPUS, and WATER, DignityUSA sponsored a survey of 1,042 Catholic voters from all across the country to determine what Catholics believe about expansion of religious exemptions. The findings were consistent with decades of studies documenting Catholics’ support for LGBT equality, for equality in access to health care services, and for Catholic politicians who vote differently from bishops’ directives. Among the key findings of the study:
•Eighty-seven percent (87%) of US Catholics oppose a tax-funded organization refusing to hire someone who is gay or lesbian, including 71% who strongly disapprove.
•Nearly three-quarters (74%) of Catholics disapprove of a law that would allow a business to deny services to employees or customers on the basis of sexual orientation due to an owner’s religious beliefs.
•Eighty-four percent (84%) of Catholics disapprove of a guidance counselor refusing to help a gay or lesbian student due to the counselor’s religious beliefs, and 70% strongly disapprove of this.
On November 17, the organizations sponsoring the survey held a Congressional briefing and a series of meetings with Senators and Representatives to discuss the survey and the implications for the upcoming legislative sessions. Marianne Duddy-Burke, DignityUSA Executive Director, was the lead speaker at this briefing. She discussed how the spate of firings of LGBT Church employees, implementation of “morality clauses” or “code of conduct” clauses, denial of benefits for same-sex spouses, and refusals of service by publicly funded social service agencies could increase dramatically if religious exemptions are expanded.
Following the briefing, Marianne met with staff from the offices of Senators Tammy Baldwin (WI), Barbara Boxer (CA), and Patricia Murray (WA), as well as five Representatives. Many had not considered the impact of religious exemptions on LGBT people or the degree of disagreement between bishops and Catholic voters on a wide range of issues. They appeared to appreciate the advance information on the kinds of issues that may come before them in the months ahead.
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DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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DignityUSA works for respect and justice for people of all sexual orientations, genders, and gender identities—especially gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons—in the Catholic Church and the world through education, advocacy, and support. -- DignityUSA Mission Statement
Dec
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2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
DignityUSA Tells Congress: “Religious Exemptions Harm People and Catholics Don’t Support Them”
DignityUSA has been involved in a number of recent efforts to alert Congress to significant problems with efforts by US Catholic bishops to expand the number of people covered by “religious exemptions.” These exemptions exclude certain faith-affiliated institutions from laws providing protection from discrimination in employment, public accommodations, and health care coverage.
On October 30, DignityUSA and eight Dignity chapters were among 43 Catholic organizations that co-signed a letter to Congress expressing concern about efforts to expand religious exemptions in the wake of the Supreme Court’s Burwell v. Hobby Lobby decision. The letter read in part:
“As Catholics, we are compelled to work toward justice and equality and to create a society in which women and men, young and old, poor and rich, gay and straight, are treated with the same dignity and respect, and granted the same opportunities. We are called to respect people’s decisions made in good conscience, even by those with whom we disagree, and to reject attempts to use religion or law to coerce someone to act against her or his conscience. Our faith commands us to have a preferential option for the poor: to have their needs always as a priority for our actions as individuals and as a society.
Under the pretense of “religious liberty,” businesses are demanding permission to discriminate against people who hold beliefs with which the business owners disagree. And sadly, our government is giving them its blessing to do so. As a result, the common good for which we strive is imperiled, and the social justice to which we are committed seems an ever more distant goal.”
Along with Call To Action, Catholics for Choice, CORPUS, and WATER, DignityUSA sponsored a survey of 1,042 Catholic voters from all across the country to determine what Catholics believe about expansion of religious exemptions. The findings were consistent with decades of studies documenting Catholics’ support for LGBT equality, for equality in access to health care services, and for Catholic politicians who vote differently from bishops’ directives. Among the key findings of the study:
•Eighty-seven percent (87%) of US Catholics oppose a tax-funded organization refusing to hire someone who is gay or lesbian, including 71% who strongly disapprove.
•Nearly three-quarters (74%) of Catholics disapprove of a law that would allow a business to deny services to employees or customers on the basis of sexual orientation due to an owner’s religious beliefs.
•Eighty-four percent (84%) of Catholics disapprove of a guidance counselor refusing to help a gay or lesbian student due to the counselor’s religious beliefs, and 70% strongly disapprove of this.
On November 17, the organizations sponsoring the survey held a Congressional briefing and a series of meetings with Senators and Representatives to discuss the survey and the implications for the upcoming legislative sessions. Marianne Duddy-Burke, DignityUSA Executive Director, was the lead speaker at this briefing. She discussed how the spate of firings of LGBT Church employees, implementation of “morality clauses” or “code of conduct” clauses, denial of benefits for same-sex spouses, and refusals of service by publicly funded social service agencies could increase dramatically if religious exemptions are expanded.
Following the briefing, Marianne met with staff from the offices of Senators Tammy Baldwin (WI), Barbara Boxer (CA), and Patricia Murray (WA), as well as five Representatives. Many had not considered the impact of religious exemptions on LGBT people or the degree of disagreement between bishops and Catholic voters on a wide range of issues. They appeared to appreciate the advance information on the kinds of issues that may come before them in the months ahead.
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DignityUSA Is Calling YOU…
By Lourdes Rodriguez-Nogues, DignityUSA President
Yes, you. We know that you have skills that DignityUSA can put to good use. Thus, we are calling on anyone who feels called to serve as a member of the DignityUSA Board.
Nominations are open for four Directors and our President/Vice President. These individuals will be elected by July 2015 and serve for a period of 2 years starting on October 1, 2015.
What qualifications do you need, you might wonder. A few come to mind:
•Current regular member of DignityUSA (any individual who pays any required dues for regular membership and endorses the statement of position and purpose of DignityUSA.
•A desire to become more involved in the governance of the organization at the national level
•A desire to work alongside other dedicated individuals from different parts of the country to impact change in the service of equality for LGBT Catholics in the Church and society.
•A passion for the work of justice.
•A drive to develop DignityUSA programs, have a voice on the use of adequate resources to carry out Dignity’s work, and set strategic priorities for our future
•A good sense of humor and a disposition to work/play with others will be helpful
We are currently seeking leaders with organizational development, marketing, fundraising, and human resources management skills and experience.
Keep an eye on Dateline, as we will continue to give you more information on the nomination and election process as we go forward. If you wish to hear from current Board members about their experience, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Think about it, and ask yourself the question: “if not me, who…?”
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DignityUSA Is Calling YOU…
By Lourdes Rodriguez-Nogues, DignityUSA President
Yes, you. We know that you have skills that DignityUSA can put to good use. Thus, we are calling on anyone who feels called to serve as a member of the DignityUSA Board.
Nominations are open for four Directors and our President/Vice President. These individuals will be elected by July 2015 and serve for a period of 2 years starting on October 1, 2015.
What qualifications do you need, you might wonder. A few come to mind:
•Current regular member of DignityUSA (any individual who pays any required dues for regular membership and endorses the statement of position and purpose of DignityUSA.
•A desire to become more involved in the governance of the organization at the national level
•A desire to work alongside other dedicated individuals from different parts of the country to impact change in the service of equality for LGBT Catholics in the Church and society.
•A passion for the work of justice.
•A drive to develop DignityUSA programs, have a voice on the use of adequate resources to carry out Dignity’s work, and set strategic priorities for our future
•A good sense of humor and a disposition to work/play with others will be helpful
We are currently seeking leaders with organizational development, marketing, fundraising, and human resources management skills and experience.
Keep an eye on Dateline, as we will continue to give you more information on the nomination and election process as we go forward. If you wish to hear from current Board members about their experience, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Think about it, and ask yourself the question: “if not me, who…?”
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Our Savior, Pope Francis?
by Jim Smith, DignityUSA Associate Director
I hear a lot of hope these days from Dignity members across the country. Most of it is rooted in perceptions of Pope Francis. My fear is that those hopes will not be realized, and deep discouragement, cynicism, and separation from all things Catholic will take hold.
This Pope has indeed said some things to inspire our hope. My hope included. Yet I’m aware that this Church belongs to all of us, is all of us, including a majority of Catholics who continue to lean toward deeper understanding and true acceptance of their LGBT kin. Our most realistic hope is with these folks on the grassroots level. My most credible hope also lies with the people I’ve met in Dignity chapters and caucuses who see themselves as agents of transformation. Not as saints or prophets, but as ordinary persons with a grasp of their baptismal grace, a belief in their dignity as queer and ally children of God, and a conviction of “if not us, then who?” when it comes to planting seeds of justice in the larger faith community.
Thank you Dignity Catholics. Whether or not Pope Francis truly rises to the role of agent of real change, there are many among the priesthood of believers who are already those agents, and many more Catholics in the wings waiting for us to invite them out and give them a role in a cast of witnesses to the core of Jesus’ life and teachings.
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2014
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Our Savior, Pope Francis?
by Jim Smith, DignityUSA Associate Director
I hear a lot of hope these days from Dignity members across the country. Most of it is rooted in perceptions of Pope Francis. My fear is that those hopes will not be realized, and deep discouragement, cynicism, and separation from all things Catholic will take hold.
This Pope has indeed said some things to inspire our hope. My hope included. Yet I’m aware that this Church belongs to all of us, is all of us, including a majority of Catholics who continue to lean toward deeper understanding and true acceptance of their LGBT kin. Our most realistic hope is with these folks on the grassroots level. My most credible hope also lies with the people I’ve met in Dignity chapters and caucuses who see themselves as agents of transformation. Not as saints or prophets, but as ordinary persons with a grasp of their baptismal grace, a belief in their dignity as queer and ally children of God, and a conviction of “if not us, then who?” when it comes to planting seeds of justice in the larger faith community.
Thank you Dignity Catholics. Whether or not Pope Francis truly rises to the role of agent of real change, there are many among the priesthood of believers who are already those agents, and many more Catholics in the wings waiting for us to invite them out and give them a role in a cast of witnesses to the core of Jesus’ life and teachings.
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I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
A person baptized into another Christian faith is received into full communion with the Catholic Church through the completion of their initiation by the reception of Confirmation and Eucharist. The process is similar to that for others in inquiry although the traditions and beliefs unique to the Catholic faith may need to be studied in order to more fully understand the Catholic Church. They are referred to as candidates for reception into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. A sponsor helps the person along their spiritual journey.
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I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
A person baptized into another Christian faith is received into full communion with the Catholic Church through the completion of their initiation by the reception of Confirmation and Eucharist. The process is similar to that for others in inquiry although the traditions and beliefs unique to the Catholic faith may need to be studied in order to more fully understand the Catholic Church. They are referred to as candidates for reception into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. A sponsor helps the person along their spiritual journey.
•Worship and Liturgy
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What is the source of these questions?
The following questions are based upon an article that originally appeared in the Dignity/Washington newsmonthly and is reproduced here as an example for a program in your chapter. There are many different models you can use. Some smaller chapters may not have the volunteers or the resources to conduct a full program and may want to use the resources of a local welcoming parish. Hopefully, the questions and answers will create a spark that will help you deepen your community's spiritual life and commitment to community. The questions are universal although some of the answers may not apply to your chapter's situation.
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What is the source of these questions?
What is the source of these questions?
The following questions are based upon an article that originally appeared in the Dignity/Washington newsmonthly and is reproduced here as an example for a program in your chapter. There are many different models you can use. Some smaller chapters may not have the volunteers or the resources to conduct a full program and may want to use the resources of a local welcoming parish. Hopefully, the questions and answers will create a spark that will help you deepen your community's spiritual life and commitment to community. The questions are universal although some of the answers may not apply to your chapter's situation.
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I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
The process is similar to that for the unbaptized in that the person studies and discusses scripture but it is different in that they are already a member of the Christian community of believers and may not participate in all of the rites associated with full initiation. Completing one’s Christian initiation through Confirmation is either done by us or through a Parish depending upon the individual's circumstance. Confirmations can occur at the Easter Vigil or at another time such as Pentecost. A person becomes a candidate for confirmation and has a sponsor or sponsors to help them along their spiritual journey. They may also participate in group discussions of the Word with other members in Inquiry. They are referred to as candidates for Confirmation.
•Worship and Liturgy
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DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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Dec
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2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
The process is similar to that for the unbaptized in that the person studies and discusses scripture but it is different in that they are already a member of the Christian community of believers and may not participate in all of the rites associated with full initiation. Completing one’s Christian initiation through Confirmation is either done by us or through a Parish depending upon the individual's circumstance. Confirmations can occur at the Easter Vigil or at another time such as Pentecost. A person becomes a candidate for confirmation and has a sponsor or sponsors to help them along their spiritual journey. They may also participate in group discussions of the Word with other members in Inquiry. They are referred to as candidates for Confirmation.
•Worship and Liturgy
Vision Statement
DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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Dec
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2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
When a person decides to embark upon a journey leading to initiation into the full sacramental life of the community, they begin a period of inquiry known as the Catechumenate and they are known as Catechumens. The process can take anywhere from six months to a year and is typified by the periodic sharing of the Word of God and deepening sense of spirituality and Christ. A more formal period of inquiry begins typically during Lent and culminates in Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Eucharist at the Easter Vigil. This period is often referred to as the Rites of Christian Initiation for Adults or RCIA. A sponsor helps the catechumen prepare for Initiation sacraments.
•Worship and Liturgy
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DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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Dec
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The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
When a person decides to embark upon a journey leading to initiation into the full sacramental life of the community, they begin a period of inquiry known as the Catechumenate and they are known as Catechumens. The process can take anywhere from six months to a year and is typified by the periodic sharing of the Word of God and deepening sense of spirituality and Christ. A more formal period of inquiry begins typically during Lent and culminates in Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Eucharist at the Easter Vigil. This period is often referred to as the Rites of Christian Initiation for Adults or RCIA. A sponsor helps the catechumen prepare for Initiation sacraments.
•Worship and Liturgy
Vision Statement
DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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DignityUSA works for respect and justice for people of all sexual orientations, genders, and gender identities—especially gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons—in the Catholic Church and the world through education, advocacy, and support. -- DignityUSA Mission Statement
Dec
9
2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
Worship and Liturgy
What is the source of these questions?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The following questions are based upon an article that originally appeared in the Dignity/Washington newsmonthly and is reproduced here as an example for a program in your chapter. There are many different models you can use. Some smaller chapters may not have the volunteers or the resources to conduct a full program and may want to use the resources of a local welcoming parish. Hopefully, the questions and answers will create a spark that will help you deepen your community's spiritual life and commitment to community.
Read moreabout What is the source of these questions?
I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
A person baptized into another Christian faith is received into full communion with the Catholic Church through the completion of their initiation by the reception of Confirmation and Eucharist. The process is similar to that for others in inquiry although the traditions and beliefs unique to the Catholic faith may need to be studied in order to more fully understand the Catholic Church. They are referred to as candidates for reception into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
Read moreabout I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The process is similar to that for the unbaptized in that the person studies and discusses scripture but it is different in that they are already a member of the Christian community of believers and may not participate in all of the rites associated with full initiation. Completing one’s Christian initiation through Confirmation is either done by us or through a Parish depending upon the individual's circumstance. Confirmations can occur at the Easter Vigil or at another time such as Pentecost.
Read moreabout I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
When a person decides to embark upon a journey leading to initiation into the full sacramental life of the community, they begin a period of inquiry known as the Catechumenate and they are known as Catechumens. The process can take anywhere from six months to a year and is typified by the periodic sharing of the Word of God and deepening sense of spirituality and Christ. A more formal period of inquiry begins typically during Lent and culminates in Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Eucharist at the Easter Vigil.
Read moreabout I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
What are the Sacraments Dignity celebrates?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The most frequently received sacrament is the last of the so-called "Sacraments of Initiation" — Eucharist. Our Sunday liturgies offer all believing, baptized Christians the eucharistic feast at the Table. The first two Initiation Sacraments are Baptism and Confirmation. Dignity also validly provides those sacraments or facilitates the reception of those sacraments depending upon individual needs and circumstances.
Read moreabout What are the Sacraments Dignity celebrates?
What are Sacraments?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The sacraments are a sign through which the Church manifests and celebrates its faith and communicates the saving grace of God. More simply stated, God wants us to enter into a deep relationship and these are mileposts along that lifelong journey that provide us with special opportunities to receive God’s grace and love.
Read moreabout What are Sacraments?
Besides the activities mentioned what else does Inquiry mean?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The Inquiry program at Dignity offers members of our community the opportunity to explore their spirituality and consider entry into the full sacramentality of a Christian Community. As Catholic Christians, we recognize seven sacraments and endeavor to offer or facilitate reception of these sacraments.
Read moreabout Besides the activities mentioned what else does Inquiry mean?
What is Inquiry?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
Inquiry is a spiritual journey that deepens our sense of spirituality and community. Examples of the beginning of Inquiry might be participation in the Lenten Ashes to Easter program, New Steps, participation in our Sunday Liturgies, Days of recollection, retreats, or our own personal experiences that draw us into a need for a deeper sense of community and spirituality. It can come as the result of a great personal tragedy or loss, or as a moment of great happiness and joy such as coming out.
Read moreabout What is Inquiry?
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DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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DignityUSA works for respect and justice for people of all sexual orientations, genders, and gender identities—especially gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons—in the Catholic Church and the world through education, advocacy, and support. -- DignityUSA Mission Statement
Dec
9
2014
The work of DignityUSA on December 9, 2014 could have been sponsored by you. Click here for more information.
Worship and Liturgy
What is the source of these questions?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The following questions are based upon an article that originally appeared in the Dignity/Washington newsmonthly and is reproduced here as an example for a program in your chapter. There are many different models you can use. Some smaller chapters may not have the volunteers or the resources to conduct a full program and may want to use the resources of a local welcoming parish. Hopefully, the questions and answers will create a spark that will help you deepen your community's spiritual life and commitment to community.
Read moreabout What is the source of these questions?
I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
A person baptized into another Christian faith is received into full communion with the Catholic Church through the completion of their initiation by the reception of Confirmation and Eucharist. The process is similar to that for others in inquiry although the traditions and beliefs unique to the Catholic faith may need to be studied in order to more fully understand the Catholic Church. They are referred to as candidates for reception into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
Read moreabout I was baptized in another Christian faith and want to become a Catholic Christian. What process do I follow?
I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The process is similar to that for the unbaptized in that the person studies and discusses scripture but it is different in that they are already a member of the Christian community of believers and may not participate in all of the rites associated with full initiation. Completing one’s Christian initiation through Confirmation is either done by us or through a Parish depending upon the individual's circumstance. Confirmations can occur at the Easter Vigil or at another time such as Pentecost.
Read moreabout I was Baptized Catholic but was never Confirmed. What process do I follow?
I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
When a person decides to embark upon a journey leading to initiation into the full sacramental life of the community, they begin a period of inquiry known as the Catechumenate and they are known as Catechumens. The process can take anywhere from six months to a year and is typified by the periodic sharing of the Word of God and deepening sense of spirituality and Christ. A more formal period of inquiry begins typically during Lent and culminates in Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Eucharist at the Easter Vigil.
Read moreabout I’m not Catholic nor have I been baptized but I’m interested in becoming a Christian. What is the process?
What are the Sacraments Dignity celebrates?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The most frequently received sacrament is the last of the so-called "Sacraments of Initiation" — Eucharist. Our Sunday liturgies offer all believing, baptized Christians the eucharistic feast at the Table. The first two Initiation Sacraments are Baptism and Confirmation. Dignity also validly provides those sacraments or facilitates the reception of those sacraments depending upon individual needs and circumstances.
Read moreabout What are the Sacraments Dignity celebrates?
What are Sacraments?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The sacraments are a sign through which the Church manifests and celebrates its faith and communicates the saving grace of God. More simply stated, God wants us to enter into a deep relationship and these are mileposts along that lifelong journey that provide us with special opportunities to receive God’s grace and love.
Read moreabout What are Sacraments?
Besides the activities mentioned what else does Inquiry mean?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
The Inquiry program at Dignity offers members of our community the opportunity to explore their spirituality and consider entry into the full sacramentality of a Christian Community. As Catholic Christians, we recognize seven sacraments and endeavor to offer or facilitate reception of these sacraments.
Read moreabout Besides the activities mentioned what else does Inquiry mean?
What is Inquiry?
Taxonomy upgrade extras:
•Worship and Liturgy
Inquiry is a spiritual journey that deepens our sense of spirituality and community. Examples of the beginning of Inquiry might be participation in the Lenten Ashes to Easter program, New Steps, participation in our Sunday Liturgies, Days of recollection, retreats, or our own personal experiences that draw us into a need for a deeper sense of community and spirituality. It can come as the result of a great personal tragedy or loss, or as a moment of great happiness and joy such as coming out.
Read moreabout What is Inquiry?
Subscribe to Worship and Liturgy
Vision Statement
DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society.
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Breath of the Spirit
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Catholicism and Homosexuality
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DignityUSA works for respect and justice for people of all sexual orientations, genders, and gender identities—especially gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons—in the Catholic Church and the world through education, advocacy, and support. -- DignityUSA Mission Statement
Dec
9
2014
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Coming from a religious household doesn't automatically gurantee that you are a good person and religious persecution complexes
On the show "Baggage", one young man said that he was from a "good Christian home" by his parents and has " strong moral values", yet he finds the woman on this episode attractive and is looking for that "fairytale ending" type of marriage. Well, just because a person was brought up in a Christian home by their parents, that doesn't mean that they have strong moral values. You can be born in a Jewish or atheistic home and have good moral values and sometimes people who group in such households don't have strong moral values. I don't believe in "fairytale ending" marriages. No marriage is truly perfect. Spouses don't always agree. There are some unmarried couples who are more faithful to their partners, more open and honest than many married couples. Married and unmarried couples should be honest with each other. Being religious isn't a guarantee that you are a good person, any more than being non-religious makes you a bad person.
You know, Christians and Muslims that complain of "persecution" because they cannot enforce their theological views on an entire country or planet on people who don't share their views, that's not persecution. A person who is shunned by their community for not sharing the mostly commonly-held beliefs in the area, that is persecution. Not allowing people to run for political office in a certain province because they don't believe in the existence of any deity, that is persecution. Not allowing someone to practice their beliefs held by a splinter group that has connections to an established denomination that they belong to, that is discrimination. Fundamentalist Mormons ( The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) face persecution in the workplace or even social alienation in Utah from Orthodox Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) because they still continue to actively practice polygamous marital relationships. The JW's in their publications often make sweeping, generalizing statements about all ex-JW's and non-JW's of being "immoral people who are not capable in any kind of way of being good, well-behaved persons, not matter how hard they try". Seventh-day Adventists have a persecution complex and seem to think that all Roman Catholics want to destroy them. A lot of Roman Catholics don't even know what Adventists believe.
Ellen G. White wasn't the most mentally sound person, but I do think that she made an advancement in religion by founding a denomination that wasn't started by a male for once. It's just too bad that women cannot serve as pastors within the SDA Church. Refusing to convert into a religion, because you cannot agree with some beliefs, that is not "persecution", that is merely exercising religious freedom and the freedom of your conscience. Think about it.
Sincerely,
Brandi Amari Williams
You know, Christians and Muslims that complain of "persecution" because they cannot enforce their theological views on an entire country or planet on people who don't share their views, that's not persecution. A person who is shunned by their community for not sharing the mostly commonly-held beliefs in the area, that is persecution. Not allowing people to run for political office in a certain province because they don't believe in the existence of any deity, that is persecution. Not allowing someone to practice their beliefs held by a splinter group that has connections to an established denomination that they belong to, that is discrimination. Fundamentalist Mormons ( The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) face persecution in the workplace or even social alienation in Utah from Orthodox Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) because they still continue to actively practice polygamous marital relationships. The JW's in their publications often make sweeping, generalizing statements about all ex-JW's and non-JW's of being "immoral people who are not capable in any kind of way of being good, well-behaved persons, not matter how hard they try". Seventh-day Adventists have a persecution complex and seem to think that all Roman Catholics want to destroy them. A lot of Roman Catholics don't even know what Adventists believe.
Ellen G. White wasn't the most mentally sound person, but I do think that she made an advancement in religion by founding a denomination that wasn't started by a male for once. It's just too bad that women cannot serve as pastors within the SDA Church. Refusing to convert into a religion, because you cannot agree with some beliefs, that is not "persecution", that is merely exercising religious freedom and the freedom of your conscience. Think about it.
Sincerely,
Brandi Amari Williams
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Comment by James M. Martin on November 25, 2014 at 11:26pm
I've said it for ages: lgbtq people are essential to the evolutionary process.
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Comment by C.L.A.W.S. on November 23, 2014 at 6:16pm
Growing Pains, thanks James.
Maybe Kirk should see Ted Haggerty?
I saw Haggerty for the first time on R.Dawkins Root of All Evil, & his eyes gave me a fright right then & there.
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Comment by James M. Martin on November 23, 2014 at 5:39pm
@C.L.A.W.S. The title was Growing Pains, and Cameron was cute as a button. I don't think I missed an episode. He played a character that is 180-degrees away from the guy he is now that he's having a midlife crisis and remembers the night he took some K and cocaine and fucked his brains out with one of the show's groupies, one of many. He is now feeling guilty about those years and has found Jesus. What a shame. Gay men tell me he is bisexual but in denial. Christianity will do that to a person.That's why Ted Turner called it "a religion for losers."
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Comment by C.L.A.W.S. on November 22, 2014 at 4:17pm
He played the son in an Alan Thicke tv show a few decades ago, but the show's title escapes me. He was thought to be a cute kid, (according to other opinions) but he couldn't act as far as I remember. Grew up to be a pukey adult.
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Comment by sk8eycat on November 22, 2014 at 4:10pm
Who is Kirk Cameron? I never heard of hiim, so IMO he's a "never-was," just like Jeebus.
OR....maybe it's a case of "methinks the [person] doth protest too much."
When someone starts yammering about "sin" to me, I ask them to define the word. Most xians can't. They just stammer.
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Comment by Daniel W on November 22, 2014 at 3:42pm
Kirk Cameron - "God Hates Fags!"
The youtube video was taken down by "Living Waters Productions". I watched it earlier today. Maybe a transcript will show up. Cameron stated that Christians need to tell gay people that they are sinning and headed to hell, and that god hates gay people, then added "God hates fags and they are going to hell".
I imagine they took down the video because of the backlash. All I can say is, I did watch it earlier, and the quote is accurate.
Kirk Cameron is rapidly heading down the path to a first class slimeball homophobe. In fact, he's already there. It's probably a way to make a better living than he could make as a has-been former child actor.
I went to the Living Waters Production webside - the first popup was a movie ad for their upcoming movie about homosexuality... interesting timing there.
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Comment by Daniel W on November 22, 2014 at 3:31pm
CLAWS - you are right, teens can and do tell lies, sometimes big, dangerous lies. The legal issue is, in the eyes of the law it doesn't matter if the teen lied, pursued the adult, and initiated the situation. In the law, the adult is fully responsible. It may well be like the story of Lolita, fictional, who ruined lives. I guess if Bean had "carded" the 15 year old, he could have avoided this situation. I don't know that anyone cards the people who they get involved with.
Bean's fall sounds like a Greek tragedy. Led down the path to destruction by his gullibility and infatuation with a beautiful lover - the 20 something meth addict / criminal who he fell for and who attacked him, extorted, and was involved in the situation with the 15 year old.
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Comment by C.L.A.W.S. on November 21, 2014 at 3:14pm
Isn't it true that teens can lie like sidewalks? I remember lots of kids saying they were 18 when they plainly weren't, & lots of others who did look of age.
If some bleeding hearts didn't make such a huge deal out of sex, & mind their own p's & q's, maybe it wouldn't be so stretched out of proportion by the media.
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Comment by Daniel W on November 21, 2014 at 2:44pm
As usual sorry for typos. Damn ipad.
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Comment by C.L.A.W.S. on November 23, 2014 at 6:16pm
Growing Pains, thanks James.
Maybe Kirk should see Ted Haggerty?
I saw Haggerty for the first time on R.Dawkins Root of All Evil, & his eyes gave me a fright right then & there.
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Comment by James M. Martin on November 23, 2014 at 5:39pm
@C.L.A.W.S. The title was Growing Pains, and Cameron was cute as a button. I don't think I missed an episode. He played a character that is 180-degrees away from the guy he is now that he's having a midlife crisis and remembers the night he took some K and cocaine and fucked his brains out with one of the show's groupies, one of many. He is now feeling guilty about those years and has found Jesus. What a shame. Gay men tell me he is bisexual but in denial. Christianity will do that to a person.That's why Ted Turner called it "a religion for losers."
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Comment by C.L.A.W.S. on November 22, 2014 at 4:17pm
He played the son in an Alan Thicke tv show a few decades ago, but the show's title escapes me. He was thought to be a cute kid, (according to other opinions) but he couldn't act as far as I remember. Grew up to be a pukey adult.
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Comment by sk8eycat on November 22, 2014 at 4:10pm
Who is Kirk Cameron? I never heard of hiim, so IMO he's a "never-was," just like Jeebus.
OR....maybe it's a case of "methinks the [person] doth protest too much."
When someone starts yammering about "sin" to me, I ask them to define the word. Most xians can't. They just stammer.
.
Comment by Daniel W on November 22, 2014 at 3:42pm
Kirk Cameron - "God Hates Fags!"
The youtube video was taken down by "Living Waters Productions". I watched it earlier today. Maybe a transcript will show up. Cameron stated that Christians need to tell gay people that they are sinning and headed to hell, and that god hates gay people, then added "God hates fags and they are going to hell".
I imagine they took down the video because of the backlash. All I can say is, I did watch it earlier, and the quote is accurate.
Kirk Cameron is rapidly heading down the path to a first class slimeball homophobe. In fact, he's already there. It's probably a way to make a better living than he could make as a has-been former child actor.
I went to the Living Waters Production webside - the first popup was a movie ad for their upcoming movie about homosexuality... interesting timing there.
.
Comment by Daniel W on November 22, 2014 at 3:31pm
CLAWS - you are right, teens can and do tell lies, sometimes big, dangerous lies. The legal issue is, in the eyes of the law it doesn't matter if the teen lied, pursued the adult, and initiated the situation. In the law, the adult is fully responsible. It may well be like the story of Lolita, fictional, who ruined lives. I guess if Bean had "carded" the 15 year old, he could have avoided this situation. I don't know that anyone cards the people who they get involved with.
Bean's fall sounds like a Greek tragedy. Led down the path to destruction by his gullibility and infatuation with a beautiful lover - the 20 something meth addict / criminal who he fell for and who attacked him, extorted, and was involved in the situation with the 15 year old.
.
Comment by C.L.A.W.S. on November 21, 2014 at 3:14pm
Isn't it true that teens can lie like sidewalks? I remember lots of kids saying they were 18 when they plainly weren't, & lots of others who did look of age.
If some bleeding hearts didn't make such a huge deal out of sex, & mind their own p's & q's, maybe it wouldn't be so stretched out of proportion by the media.
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Comment by Daniel W on November 21, 2014 at 2:44pm
As usual sorry for typos. Damn ipad.
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Comment by sk8eycat 17 hours ago
All the valuable artworks in the Vatican are not only "unnatural," according to the Decalogue, they are forbidden.
Theists are unbelievable hypocrites.
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I like the story about the "discovery" that microwaves can heat things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
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Comment by James M. Martin 18 hours ago
Sk8eycat, I like the analogy to toaster ovens and electric lawn mowers. When you stop to think that 90% of the great scientific discoveries have come in the last 100 years, it is amazing anyone on earth puts faith in a 4-5,000 year old book riddled with superstition and hallucinatory fantasies.
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Comment by Daniel W 18 hours ago
Cancer is natural. So is hemlock. And ricin. And botulism.
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Comment by sk8eycat 18 hours ago
Janice, for that matter, houses, tap water, and automobiles aren't "natural" either. Nor fancy cathedrals. They just. Don't. Get. It.
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Comment by Janice Rael 20 hours ago
Just remind them that computers are not natural, eyeglasses are not natural, air conditioning is not natural, deliberately ingesting medicine to cure an ailment is not natural..
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Comment by sk8eycat 23 hours ago
James, I have read and heard that homosexuality is "unnatural" or "against nature" more times than I can count. And I want to scream.
REAL naturalists have recorded "homosexual behavior" in the wild for decades....it's a FACT, like evolution, and the real age of the universe(s).....I just want to beat that into the pea-brains that the customs of their one bigoted little tribe are not laws of nature.
BUT....the Michigan legislature has gone bonkers....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/05/1349672/-Michigan-House-pa...
And yet another unarmed black man has been killed by police....
I've GOT to stop reading DAILY KOS! It makes me want to leave the building. NOW.
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Comment by Daniel W yesterday
p.s. Gore Vidal in that video is awesome! So much ahead of his time.
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Comment by James M. Martin yesterday
sk8eycat, you don't carry that thought quite far enough. The problem with homophobes is that they equate "natural" with "normal" or even "ideal." If something can be done, it is natural by definition. So it really makes no difference if one "is" lgbtq because of genetic predisposition or choice, the latter being the cherished notion of a group of people who decry "choice" in the decisions of both men and women, including straight women. If the bigots were to accept the notion that one is born lgbtq, then what would their God look like: a capricious, arbitrary, frivolous deity whose name I only know as Chance.
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Comment by Daniel W yesterday
1967. This was an attempt at rational, nonjudgemental journalism about, mostly gay men. It's painful to watch. Soccarides spread his bigotry, under the guise of psychiatry, to those who should have been supportive. He was not just misinformed, he was a bigot. The Freudian myths of overbearing mother, weak father, harmed both the gay person and passed blame to their innocent parents. That was a time of profound persecution, bigotry, punishment, misinformation.... there is still plenty of that now, but we have come so, so far. People love to speculate and expound on things they have no knowledge about. Thanks to free thinking, courageous, strong, thoughtful, interested, caring people the changes have been profound. Those pioneers include LGBT people as well as those who have been supportive.
Persecute, discriminate, demonize people - and then blame them for not fitting in. How perverse society was, and in many places continues to be.
.
Comment by sk8eycat on November 26, 2014 at 2:55am
A new study shows that homosexuality is natural and debunks criticism that claims it is not.
I have been saying for decades that if wild animals that mate for life can have same-sex partners, it HAS to be natural. Of course, if homosexuality and evolution are mentioned in the same paragraph, the fundies are going to go apeshit....well, they will, anyway.
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Comment by sk8eycat 17 hours ago
All the valuable artworks in the Vatican are not only "unnatural," according to the Decalogue, they are forbidden.
Theists are unbelievable hypocrites.
****************************
I like the story about the "discovery" that microwaves can heat things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven
.
Comment by James M. Martin 18 hours ago
Sk8eycat, I like the analogy to toaster ovens and electric lawn mowers. When you stop to think that 90% of the great scientific discoveries have come in the last 100 years, it is amazing anyone on earth puts faith in a 4-5,000 year old book riddled with superstition and hallucinatory fantasies.
.
Comment by Daniel W 18 hours ago
Cancer is natural. So is hemlock. And ricin. And botulism.
.
Comment by sk8eycat 18 hours ago
Janice, for that matter, houses, tap water, and automobiles aren't "natural" either. Nor fancy cathedrals. They just. Don't. Get. It.
.
Comment by Janice Rael 20 hours ago
Just remind them that computers are not natural, eyeglasses are not natural, air conditioning is not natural, deliberately ingesting medicine to cure an ailment is not natural..
.
Comment by sk8eycat 23 hours ago
James, I have read and heard that homosexuality is "unnatural" or "against nature" more times than I can count. And I want to scream.
REAL naturalists have recorded "homosexual behavior" in the wild for decades....it's a FACT, like evolution, and the real age of the universe(s).....I just want to beat that into the pea-brains that the customs of their one bigoted little tribe are not laws of nature.
BUT....the Michigan legislature has gone bonkers....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/05/1349672/-Michigan-House-pa...
And yet another unarmed black man has been killed by police....
I've GOT to stop reading DAILY KOS! It makes me want to leave the building. NOW.
.
Comment by Daniel W yesterday
p.s. Gore Vidal in that video is awesome! So much ahead of his time.
.
Comment by James M. Martin yesterday
sk8eycat, you don't carry that thought quite far enough. The problem with homophobes is that they equate "natural" with "normal" or even "ideal." If something can be done, it is natural by definition. So it really makes no difference if one "is" lgbtq because of genetic predisposition or choice, the latter being the cherished notion of a group of people who decry "choice" in the decisions of both men and women, including straight women. If the bigots were to accept the notion that one is born lgbtq, then what would their God look like: a capricious, arbitrary, frivolous deity whose name I only know as Chance.
.
Comment by Daniel W yesterday
1967. This was an attempt at rational, nonjudgemental journalism about, mostly gay men. It's painful to watch. Soccarides spread his bigotry, under the guise of psychiatry, to those who should have been supportive. He was not just misinformed, he was a bigot. The Freudian myths of overbearing mother, weak father, harmed both the gay person and passed blame to their innocent parents. That was a time of profound persecution, bigotry, punishment, misinformation.... there is still plenty of that now, but we have come so, so far. People love to speculate and expound on things they have no knowledge about. Thanks to free thinking, courageous, strong, thoughtful, interested, caring people the changes have been profound. Those pioneers include LGBT people as well as those who have been supportive.
Persecute, discriminate, demonize people - and then blame them for not fitting in. How perverse society was, and in many places continues to be.
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Comment by sk8eycat on November 26, 2014 at 2:55am
A new study shows that homosexuality is natural and debunks criticism that claims it is not.
I have been saying for decades that if wild animals that mate for life can have same-sex partners, it HAS to be natural. Of course, if homosexuality and evolution are mentioned in the same paragraph, the fundies are going to go apeshit....well, they will, anyway.
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Loren hums to himself: "If I'd been out 'til quarter to three, Would you lock the door? Will you still need me,Will you still feed me..."
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I have this overwhelming idea that a "Happy Birthday" is in order here.
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No, you would be left out in the coldddd... hehe jk :) Happy Friday!
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Thanks Bertold, much appreciated! As for the Adventists and the JWs, you can tell 'em for me to go suck a root!
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I just hit that magical status a couple months back. The song was a hoot when it was first released. Who knew it would actually happen, and so quickly? If I'm reading between the lines correctly, happy birthday! (Don't tell the Adventists I said that.)
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Young at heart! And you're only as old as.......blah blah. Enjoy your day.
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I have this overwhelming idea that a "Happy Birthday" is in order here.
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No, you would be left out in the coldddd... hehe jk :) Happy Friday!
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Comment by Loren Miller 3 hours ago
Thanks Bertold, much appreciated! As for the Adventists and the JWs, you can tell 'em for me to go suck a root!
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Comment by Bertold Brautigan 3 hours ago
I just hit that magical status a couple months back. The song was a hoot when it was first released. Who knew it would actually happen, and so quickly? If I'm reading between the lines correctly, happy birthday! (Don't tell the Adventists I said that.)
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I imagine if you told the JW's or the SDA's to, " go suck a root", they would be sure to go into their persecution complex and be even more sure that the "end of the world" is at hand. As for myself and the celebration of birthdays. I am an ex-JW and an ex-SDA. I couldn't care less what they think of my celebrating my birthday or anyone else's. My holiday observances are not any of their business at all. Happy Birthday, Loren!
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Of Ender's Game, actually. Orson Scott Card is an iconic writer in science-fiction and fantasy. The Ender series alone brought him huge success, and his awards and accolades are numerous. He's a very prolific and influential scribe.
The subject of this post, however, is not his fictional work, but his personal essays and views on current affairs and life. This will be an antithesis to my extollation of the author Dan Simmons in the Blog Posts section http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/an-authors-interesting-v... who proved, in my opinion, to be a reasonable, free-thinking individual.
Card, however, is an ideologue. Though bright and amiable (he really is very sweet; I met him 15 years ago at an awards ceremony--he even signed my book), the "World Watch" weekly column on his website marks him as a latent card-carrying Rightist. His rants about Communism, Socialism, the Iraq War, the "liberal media," and religion--yes, he's a Mormon--plant him comfortably on Joe Wilson's side of the aisle. Card would invariably deny this, claiming to actually be a disaffected Democrat whose party has lost all its values. But since most ideologues of his generation on either side of the political spectrum make the same claim, I'll dismiss it with impunity. His column http : // www . hatrack . com / is rife with the kind of oversimplification and bating that is the staple of an ideological lemming.
My focus, though, is not my aversion to his collectivist propensities. It's about my concurrence with his position on religion and homosexuality.
Card thinks gays are sinners: http: // www . nauvoo . com / library /card - hypocrites . html
More accurately, Card's religion mandates that gays are sinners.
In the above essay from 20 years ago, Card takes on the typical role of the religious objector to social change based almost solely on the doctrines of his faith, dextrously whipping out euphemism and guilt harbored from the broken American family to justify the position of the "faithful." All the hackneyed (and inexcusable) arguments are presented, but with a doughy, condescending smile. As I said, typical. However, he's right about one thing:
One thing is certain: one cannot serve two masters. And when one's life is given over to one community that demands utter allegiance, it cannot be given to another. The LDS church is
one such community. The homosexual community seems to be another. And when I read the
statements of those who claim to be both LDS and homosexual, trying to persuade the former
community to cease making their membership contingent upon abandoning the latter, I wonder if
they realize that the price of such "tolerance" would be, in the long run, the destruction of the
Church.
Capitulation. Integrity. Standing up for what you believe.
I disagree with 90% of what Card believes, but I respect him for standing up for it. I respect any religious person for doing the same.
I do not respect supposedly religious people who half-ass with their religion.
The Mormon Church cannot accept homosexuality and still call itself the Mormon Church. Likewise with all sects of Christianity. And (as all we secularists know) especially Islam. Mormon, Catholic and Protestant scripture specifically condemns homosexuality. And since these religions are built upon their scripture, they cannot ignore even a single doctrine and still maintain the integrity of their inception, however flawed that inception is. Religion precludes progress. Always has. And so I must say that the acceptance that homosexuals seek in religion is not only pointless, but illogical. Why do they seek assimilation into a community who deems their very nature abhorrent?
Now, Card attempts to include the rest of America into this view on homosexuality, and we know that he is wrong. Not only statistically, but legally, ethically, and morally. But within his own repressive, backward and illogical community, he is speaking for them. And he has every right to. He is a Christian, a Mormon, and he adheres to the doctrines of his faith. That is what it is to be faithful. If he and his brethren don't want to accept homosexuality, they don't have to. They'll eventually repress themselves into non-existence, and I say let them.
They aren't "immoral," though.
They're just wrong.
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Good point, Glen.
However, that most current religious people are capitulators does not negate my statement. If Mormons (and Catholics, etc) have been ignoring their own doctrines for years and even centuries, then they aren't Mormons, even if it's the vast majority.
Now, I haven't heard what Card has said, or would say, about the valid points you made. Should he sweep those under the rug, as many half-assed religious people do, then I would certainly be wrong about him.
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Of Ender's Game, actually. Orson Scott Card is an iconic writer in science-fiction and fantasy. The Ender series alone brought him huge success, and his awards and accolades are numerous. He's a very prolific and influential scribe.
The subject of this post, however, is not his fictional work, but his personal essays and views on current affairs and life. This will be an antithesis to my extollation of the author Dan Simmons in the Blog Posts section http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/an-authors-interesting-v... who proved, in my opinion, to be a reasonable, free-thinking individual.
Card, however, is an ideologue. Though bright and amiable (he really is very sweet; I met him 15 years ago at an awards ceremony--he even signed my book), the "World Watch" weekly column on his website marks him as a latent card-carrying Rightist. His rants about Communism, Socialism, the Iraq War, the "liberal media," and religion--yes, he's a Mormon--plant him comfortably on Joe Wilson's side of the aisle. Card would invariably deny this, claiming to actually be a disaffected Democrat whose party has lost all its values. But since most ideologues of his generation on either side of the political spectrum make the same claim, I'll dismiss it with impunity. His column http : // www . hatrack . com / is rife with the kind of oversimplification and bating that is the staple of an ideological lemming.
My focus, though, is not my aversion to his collectivist propensities. It's about my concurrence with his position on religion and homosexuality.
Card thinks gays are sinners: http : // www . nauvoo . com / library / card - hypocrites . html
More accurately, Card's religion mandates that gays are sinners.
In the above essay from 20 years ago, Card takes on the typical role of the religious objector to social change based almost solely on the doctrines of his faith, dextrously whipping out euphemism and guilt harbored from the broken American family to justify the position of the "faithful." All the hackneyed (and inexcusable) arguments are presented, but with a doughy, condescending smile. As I said, typical. However, he's right about one thing:
One thing is certain: one cannot serve two masters. And when one's life is given over to one community that demands utter allegiance, it cannot be given to another. The LDS church is
one such community. The homosexual community seems to be another. And when I read the
statements of those who claim to be both LDS and homosexual, trying to persuade the former
community to cease making their membership contingent upon abandoning the latter, I wonder if
they realize that the price of such "tolerance" would be, in the long run, the destruction of the
Church.
Capitulation. Integrity. Standing up for what you believe.
I disagree with 90% of what Card believes, but I respect him for standing up for it. I respect any religious person for doing the same.
I do not respect supposedly religious people who half-ass with their religion.
The Mormon Church cannot accept homosexuality and still call itself the Mormon Church. Likewise with all sects of Christianity. And (as all we secularists know) especially Islam. Mormon, Catholic and Protestant scripture specifically condemns homosexuality. And since these religions are built upon their scripture, they cannot ignore even a single doctrine and still maintain the integrity of their inception, however flawed that inception is. Religion precludes progress. Always has. And so I must say that the acceptance that homosexuals seek in religion is not only pointless, but illogical. Why do they seek assimilation into a community who deems their very nature abhorrent?
Now, Card attempts to include the rest of America into this view on homosexuality, and we know that he is wrong. Not only statistically, but legally, ethically, and morally. But within his own repressive, backward and illogical community, he is speaking for them. And he has every right to. He is a Christian, a Mormon, and he adheres to the doctrines of his faith. That is what it is to be faithful. If he and his brethren don't want to accept homosexuality, they don't have to. They'll eventually repress themselves into non-existence, and I say let them.
They aren't "immoral," though.
They're just wrong.
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Good point, Glen.
However, that most current religious people are capitulators does not negate my statement. If Mormons (and Catholics, etc) have been ignoring their own doctrines for years and even centuries, then they aren't Mormons, even if it's the vast majority.
Now, I haven't heard what Card has said, or would say, about the valid points you made. Should he sweep those under the rug, as many half-assed religious people do, then I would certainly be wrong about him.
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